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Is it true the Fury is still trying to field a team of 98s and what they have to date isn't even AAA material?
If this is the case is it mandatory they must roster a team at this level. If not why try - if this team truly is not AAA material is it fair to the kids?
Sounds like a bunch of parents who just want to say their child is AAA - how many are truly realistic here?
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Well don't worry. TI and Mission also gained some ego-maniacs from the Blues, Flames, and Express. What will be more interesting at the 98 level? Watching the kids play their games or watching some of their parents' huge egos try to fit through the door? We'll see how some of these kids do with a AAA schedule and commitment. We'll also see if any make it when it comes time to start checking. I'd lay a couple of bills that some will be crawling back to a AA program and their parents will be full of excuses as to why their kids aren't playing AAA anymore. Time will tell.
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What makes it even better is that one of the kids' tells everyone he can that baseball is his favorite sport, yet mommy pushes him to AAA. The same kid wanted to quit midway through the season last year because he thought hockey is "too hard" and he didn't have time to be with his friends from school. Nice.
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is it the parents of the kids that belong at aaa ( mission / ti ) that have the egos or is it the parents of the kids at cya and fury that dont care if they get beat by double digits every game as long as they can tell thier friends, relatives and co-workers that thier kid is aaa.
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Very very questionable whether AAA is worth the time and effort or even beneficial at this age. AHAI has gone back and forth not allowing AAA and then allowing it for squirts. Many of the better players have parents who aren't in a rush so the talent pool is too thin for four teams. Any squirt coach at any level who shortens the bench should be lynched though some do it. That further reduces the benefit of AAA for the bottom half of many rosters. But most of the kids on the AAA teams at this age will be out of AAA in a few short years so maybe the goal is playing at that level while you can. Then player and parents can always say they were there once.
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my kid is playing on the '98 fury team. hold your laughter if you don't mind... he is fully aware that they could go winless. he loves the sport, and doesn't care as much about winning right now as he does about improving his game for the future. he probably would not have made mission, and ti and cya were just too far away to try. he played cs last year, but wants aaa coaching, the icetime and training opportunities that no aa club can match, and to compete against the very best in the region. for that i give him credit and am willing to support him during what will inevitably be a very long season...
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"my kid is playing on the '98 fury team. hold your laughter if you don't mind... he is fully aware that they could go winless. he loves the sport, and doesn't care as much about winning right now as he does about improving his game for the future. he probably would not have made mission, and ti and cya were just too far away to try. he played cs last year, but wants aaa coaching, the icetime and training opportunities that no aa club can match, and to compete against the very best in the region. for that i give him credit and am willing to support him during what will inevitably be a very long season..."
Come back to us at Thanksgiving and let us know how many times your kid tells you he wants to quit after getting pounded over and over and over again. Nobody developes, improves, or gets better when put in a losing situation.
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Fianlly a parent who gets it! This is for the kids and their development. It is beyond small mindedness for adults to bash other kids and their team. Winners are not the ones with the best players nor does if guarantee them anything. ALL of them will quit hockey by the time they are midget players so enjoy the moment, MYOB and get over bashing other teams' W/L record; it means nothing!
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This is clearly the parent who wants to be able to tell his friends and whoever else will listen that his kid plays AAA. Seriously read your e-mail - this team on a good day may learn something but with so many parents and their egos these kids will never enjoy the game like a child who deserves it and earns at AAA level.
Good luck to these kids and enjoy it while you can - it is unfortunate the parents will ruin it for many of them!
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Mark,whats the prob??Still dont have the guns yet,or are you still trying to develop them? Another possible Mighty Ducks movie in the making?Some of those Bronze kids will pan out, dony worry.
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Seriously you little puss, have a good season watching your bender play JV because he is not as good as you think. New coach will still cut your kid and the club will have a whole new set of turmoil set in as the morons who used to be with the Vikings are now in charge of Sandburg. The number one problem in all youth sports is the parents like you, loser!
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Carl may be gutless, but he makes a point. What is taking so long to post a roster at this level? There are alot of first time AAA that tried out. Is there enough talent to compete, or is the club hoping for a couple of surprises yet?
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we all just want to know when the roster will be posted. the kids are safe, we are not picking on them. the people who tried out just want to know if they made the team or not. the economy is not getting any better and people have to plan for their expenses more these days.
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mission 98's will be the only legit aaa team in the state. cya, ti, and fury will all have competitive games with each other, while mission will have to travel just to find competition. doesnt seem right.
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Well, Mark.....Do you have them ready to play AAA yet?? Please dont leave us in suspense any longer. Soon, the House league evaluations will be over and you can develop some more possible candidates. When is the last day to roster?
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Heard the fury/rink is so pissed off at the Viks for not supporting the 98 team and "handing" over its players-doesn't sound the team is going to exist
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I do not see how that can be the case. Perhaps this group is not willing to commit their time or money at this young age. Why is this age group the only one they seem to be concerned about? Are the Vikes holding back players from other age groups as well?
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The Vikings are not obligated to support the Fury. Also, the 98 vikings do not have any players that are good enough to play AAA hockey. The parents are making the right decision.
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It is much more of a problem for the fury, not the vikes. pretty obvious the fury 98 team does not have ANY player that can play, and they are the AAA team, whether they got them from Orland,Crestwood,Darien,Nova Scotia,Quebec or anywhere. if they did, dont you think they would be rostered already like the rest of the club's teams???
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should have done what was best. Not all these kids are even Gold/Elite players. People should look at the big picture - is this what you want for your children. Whose dream is this. Unfortunately for many of these parents they truly think their kids are AAA players - listen to them "johnny" made the Fury. The Fury didn't have any kids to pick from and they built a team. I guess my question is even with the talent of the coaches is misleading your child worth it?
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The Vikings are not obligated to support the Fury. Also, the 98 vikings do not have any players that are good enough to play AAA hockey. The parents are making the right decision.
How in the hell would you know if the Vikes have 98s that can play AAA or not? They have plenty of good players, a few that are excellent. There was no holding back at all. Individually parents made the decision whether or not it was worth it for their children to spend that much time playing AAA. I think they all realize that their kids "competetive" hockey playing careers will end at the High School/Midget level, and are very comfortable with that.
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Hey Viks-The post was not about the ability level of the Fury 98 team but regarding the pressuring of the club by the rink/fury-since the club stood its ground, it is now being "punished" by the rink.
Does TI interrogate the Blues for possible AAA players?
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Not sure if they are punished or not. They have not had their tryouts yet I do not think so they will have to wait and see once the season starts I guess.
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I have seen them play. They do do have a few decent players, but none that are good enough to play AAA. The parents realize this and are not giving in to MK and DG. The parents are making the right decision.
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But their forwards could carry them. I have seen them play, and there are 3 or 4 bonifide scorers there. Some with size and speed. I feel that they will be ok. But you may be right that it will come around to how well the defense plays....they should be ok however given some of the areas that could improve
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The question isn't how big is the ego of fury parent. Its how big is the ego of the viking parent. C'mon you say hes not good enough, put him out there and see. You can't though because then you'll find out he really isn't good enough then you can't go around the rink saying your kid is better than that AAA kid. Theres your ego. Loser Whats funny is don't even realize how idiotic you sound when you open up your mouth. Have a great season at AA.
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I sat around long enough and read all of you posts, now here’s the truth like it or not. DG and MK are at the root of the problem. They have failed miserable at recruiting players for the 98 team.(because they don’t care about the 98/97/96 birth years, just look at their records). Now they find them self’s in a position of fielding a AAA team with silver and bronze players who won’t win a game and possible not score a single goal all season. They should be putting a game plan together NOW for next years 99 team but I doubt it. They are to busy trying to figure out how to stick it to the Viking kids by denying the club the right to have a simple bbq to kick of the season stating they would lose revenue. I think the entire Viking organization should boycott the concession stand, restaurant, and most importantly the pro shop. We’ll show them what lost revenue really is.
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DG kicked the Vikings out? He tried that once before and then he realized they were his biggest customer and he would literally and figuratively would be eating tons of ice. That was right after the whole forged roster thing. Sorry but I don't see the Vikes getting kicked out. We have much bigger problems like an overpaid HD who is losing players for both summer camps and the upcoming season to St. Rita.
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Several weekends away, airplane flights, cool tournaments with very good teams playing,great warmups and sweats,spending a ton of money at AAA, watching your team lose to Madison in a two game weekend away by a combined score of 34-2.....PRICELESS
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The 98 fury team will be the worst team in mwehl history. Between the 98s,97s,96s they will combine to win less that 10 games. The 98 team is going to made up of squirt 3s and squirt 4s. The organization should be ashamed and embarassed.
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I know that the fury 98s have not posted their roster, but i also notice that they do'nt have any ice time for practice this week. Everbody else is starting this week. Do they really have a team?
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To the squirt parents who are putting their kids through this....Congrats! All that supposedly great coaching is getting you and your kids nowhere. Putting kids way over their heads does nothing for them, I dont care who the coach is. They will get pummeled game in and game out.I dont agree that this is good for development or confidence. I hope it works out for the kids sake. Some parents need to wake up!
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It is very sad. Fury should buy ice further north. They do not have the players to field a worthy AAA team. Fury is desperate to get money and stay afloat. Think of the kids first.
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Best of luck to the Fury 98 team....with all of this negative talk about a game played by 9 and 10 year olds, I hope that they have success this year. It is time to put all of the BS aside and enjoy the sport.......GOOD LUCK FURY
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Is right...they are in trouble - if they can learn something great but it is a long season and unfortunately this time these threads are right - this group doesn't belong here. It isn't the parents playing but apparently they forgot that.
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After reading many of these posts I have to say that what is happening is not about the kids who are 9-10 years old, or about the parents, it is an example of what is wrong with Illinois and even U.S.A. hockey.
Having AAA hockey at this young edge is not needed, unfortunately the MWEHL mandates that you need to field a team at each age level so clubs at the younger age levels struggle.
One poster said he or his kid wants better coaching, more ice time ect.. it is time that AHAI gets back to strengthen it's tier 2 clubs. I rembember when kids at a young age came up through tier 2 clubs and as they reached second year peewee or bantam the top players moved on to AAA, they were the high end players who by that time knew that they wanted to committ more time to the sport and possibly get more out of it.
The advent of having four AAA teams changed having a strong tier 2 program in the state. It has been clear for a few years that AAA teams really struggle to field teams at this level.
As for having better coaching, there are still good coaches at tier 2 programs throughout the state who can develop players.
My son joined AAA as a peewee, by then he knew he liked the game, coaches said that AAA was the right level for him and he stuck with AAA until Jr.A. I would not have had him start AAA as a squirt major or pee wee minor.
Parents don't rush it, if you kid and his team is getting beat every week how is he really developing. As some posters said, by turkey day they will want to quit.
When my son was a last year mite and some coaches at tier 2 wanted to have him play squirt, one coach told me the best advice I every got, have your son play his last year of mite and learn how to dominate a game, by learning this he will have the confidence he needs in the future. He was right.
please learn how to enjoy you son's hockey and they will develop.
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since there have been several opinions offered I will include mine.
I am not sure if AAA is necessary at this age level. I do know they start AAA in Detroit a year earlier ar squirt minor and it doesn't seem to hurt those kids. In fact, I would say the opposite is true. It seems the IL teams chase the Detroit teams overall for a few years before they catch up. Maybe this has something to to with Detroit starting AAA a year earleir and maybe it has nothing to do with it. I do believe that if IL waited until PW to start AAA we would be even further behind Detroit.
I will say this about the Fury 98 team, this is AHAI's fault. The Fury is forced to have this team per AHAI by laws. This team will do these kids very little good in any aspect. I believe they will lose on average by 15 goals against the Detroit teams, some games will be worse. These kids will rarely touch the puck, probably never put 2 passes together in the same play, and be victims of an improper execution of a good intention.
This team does not have the talent necessary to compete at this level. I hope the coach is going into this with his eyes wide open. he also needs to make sure the parents have a clear picture of what they are in for. That 5th game in the Detroit showcase is going to be one tough 50 minutes.
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First year playing AAA right out of House? Bronze Travel at best...AAA is not the place to teach the kids that you need to pass the puck to win hockey games. Cant blame the kids, they dont know what they are getting into. The poster is right, could be devastating to a 9 or 10 year old's development. Totally bad idea parents and waste of money. It is a wonder why kids quit the sport at an early age.Better have the right guy coaching this one, or these kids are done!
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AHAI would have given the club a pass on fielding this team. The MWEHL would have adjusted too. There is no need for any organization or governing body to put players in a league they do not belong. The Fury should have asked for such a while ago.
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they better have two goaltenders. the kid is in for some serious work. what a mess. talk about bruising player development with adult egos and mentalities. good luck
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If this is true, these kids will be damaged for life. Getting destroyed every game does NOTHING for developing these young players. It's too bad. I'm sure these are some nice kids.
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what I do with my kid is my buisness not yours. You live your life your way and I'll live mine. We can live and respect each other or we can go out to the parking lot. Problem is you'll hide behind this board and never share you opinion about me to my face, you are a coward with a big mouth. If you feel this strong about your opinions then say it to my face, I'll be at the rink every practice and game. see you there
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I just loved your post, perfectly stubborn and stupid at the same time. Oh, you'll beat up anybody that disagrees with you in the parking lot? Seriously, get over yourself. Heed the warnings. Nobody is picking on your child. It's just not right to put a player in a circumstance where they cannot have success. That's the point.
Now when we go to the rink for a 98 game, how will you be dressed so we know who to walk out with to the parking lot? Maybe you could wear a muscle shirt or one of those cool MMA shirts. That would really look tough and scare everyone!
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Advisor, the tough guy, needs to chill out. Nobody is bashing these kids, in fact, most are on their side. Just because they are being put into a senseless situation by parents, coaches, and administration everyone is pretty agreeable that it isnt their fault. I personally feel bad for them, not you, and your attitude proves why the kid is playing there. What are you going to do to the parents of the other team after the 98s take a whooping from someone? It is a very tough situation for these first timers to be put into. Be realistic already, some of them have NEVER played in travel hockey, let alone AAA. Although they may have had decent coaching in the past,I doubt they were prepared to play at this level!
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If you have this supreme knowledge then talk to me face to face, you come here and pretend like you know my families situation and our why we made the decision to play AAA, you don't! So I know how to deal with senseless people who share their unwanted advise, I take you to the parking lot and beat some sense into you. So who this loser that hides behind this board?
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WOW.....The coach will be thrilled with you by mid season.
I wish the team luck, I just think they are in deep water.
Fights in the parking lot? LOL...I am not going to fund your kids AAA "career" after that. CHILL....try to enjoy the season and not be too much of a pain to the coach.
Peace
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i'm a dad with a kid on the team too. people using this site to belittle us as parents, mock our kids, and/or question the decision/desire to play on the team is stupid - but so too is your approach to them... the sticks and stones will continue all year, but who really cares? it says a lot about posters who feel a need to pile on: "your kid sucks; can't play at aaa level; will quit the game/get nothing out of it/be damaged; is doing it b/c the parent is pushing him to for his own ego; etc." blah, blah, blah. come on now - will any of us parents or our kids really brag about being on the worst aaa team in the league?! i am confident and hopeful that the other kids (and parents) on the team are going into this eyes-wide-open like mine is. hopefully our kids will have some fun, play some teams close, get better and be stronger for the experience. i really don't think the team will be as atrocious as people think, but we'll see. it's only one season, and it's only kids' hockey!
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I will have my kid play on AAA level every day than in AA. It's about development, and chance to play the best teams in the country. I rather loose all the games and play the best of the best than win 16 games in AA from teams that have only few good scatters and most of the kids can't even skate backwards.
The kids will get much better, give them one year and check them next year. Good luck fury parents and kids. It's not about wining, it’s about development.
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The Vikings, Mission and TI parents on this board are the real embarrassments to Illinois hockey. You are so good and these kids are (by your expert opinions) so poor that they don't even belong. They shouldn't even try. They won't win a game. Who asked for you opinion and how empty is your life that you need to come back here to post and repost your low opinion of a team of children playing a game they love?
Here's an inconvenient truth for you psychopaths: Mission, TI and the Vikings have all fielded teams who have hardly won any games for the whole season. One I know well was the Mission "93s" when they were squirt majors. I put the 93s in quotes because they were really the 94s. There were only a very few 93s and the vast majority were 94s. They got pounded regularly. Hardly won any games and all the jerk parents were on the board calling them the laughingstock of hockey. The jerk parents also posted just like you all are posting: its all the parents ego, these kids couldn't beat a house team, AHAI should step in and stop this, Mission's in it for the money, etc.
My point is that the core of that team makes up the Mission Bantam Major team this year. They won the International SilverStick Tourney last year. They finished ranked first or second in the country and are an early favorite to win Nationals next April. The truth is that nobody knows what these Fury kids can do if given the chance. Good luck to them and to all the kids who love the game.
The problem with 98 parents is that they are brand new to AAA and therefore so ignorant of hockey that they don't even know what they don't even know. Why not shut your ignorant mouths and open your ignorant eyes and ignorant ears? You may learn something.
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That's pretty much what this team is in for night in and night out except for one other team they will play. We'll have to see how they handle it. With all respect, I don't see how this could be a positive experience for them. They will have zero development in games. Now if the coach is exceptional and can build them up, then maybe it will be a progression for them with good practices????
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The 2003-04 season for 93's squirt majors was loaded with 94's, but the best team was the Blues AA team who won state at the AAA level.
Mission 93's - 9 players 94 birth year. 7 currently play for 94 Mission.
Chill 93's - 6 players 94 birth year. 1 at Mission, 1 at TI & 3 still with Fury.
CYA 93's - 5 players 94 birth year. 1 still with CYA, 1 at Fury & 1 at TI.
TI 93's - 1 player 94 birth year. CYA U-16.
Blues AA - 2 players 94 birth year. 1 at Mission & 1 at Fury.
The blues kids all should have played AAA, and many of these 94's may not have played AAA. Most of these kids went on to the Mission 93 and won 4 straight state championships with Mission.
The Mission 93's that season were a 500 club. They did get blown out by the Chill early on, but caught up to most of the teama by season end. They lost all 4 state games, but by close games. The even outshot the Blues, but the final score was like 6-0 not 15-1. All the shots were from long range because the Blue's Blue liners were all giant for their age. One already has a full ride to Notre Dame.
The success the 94 Mission was keeping that core group together, and the following season they loaded up by getting a team with 12 94's with a season of AAA experience. Each year some fall off and new experience AAA player keep filling the roster. That is how they have won 4 straight state championship and a semifinals at Nationals during the 2006-07 season.
All these variables worked out for this team, but this Mission 93 team was still very good during their 2003-04 season. A few blow-outs but not many, and everyone who played them had to bring an A game.
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Were they obligated to put up a team this year or do they have done a "training" year and not filed a team. Some poor Fury kids is thinking of taking basbeall up for good after this hockey season. How many times can a parent pick up their kid after getting their ass handed to them on every game?
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ask any fury parent. it is ok to let your kid get his a$$ handed to him every game, especially when you are getting such great coaching at a reasonable price. what a joke and copout. i really wonder how these young kids really feel about losing all the time. it may be fun to be on road trips with your buddies, but come on already, the game cant be enjoyable to them when teams are beating you up all the time.
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The Fury coaches hound the Vikings kids down
and convince the parents that their bronze
level kid is ready for AAA. They pump the
parents and the kid up to beleive it. They
have no idea of how high the talent level
is until they are signed. I blame the Fury
for just wanting to fill the team and get
the money out of people.
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Unless you're on the team and experiencing what we are, you have no right to an opinion. For your information, many of the parents explained to their kids they weren't going to win many games, if any at all. Some of these kids just wanted the opportunity. Many of the families on the team wouldn't have been able to afford AAA. This was the kids chance for the experience. Basically, just shut the F#$@$ up!
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What a great experience.....How cheap is it going to be next year? Dont worry your kids probably wont want to play at all next year anyway!! Ok I will shut up now.
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so your kid is having a great experience getting killed by other teams with much more talent and experience? and you get to pay double or triple for that? and at the same time the f is able to hurt a aa club and house program? yeah, your right, definately worth the experience.
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Hey just ask the CYA 94 parents about the same thing? Getting their a$$ kicked just to say they play AAA hockey? It's been that way since Squirt Major.
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I dont care if it was free, my kid would tell me that this would not be the experience he was looking for. I really feel sorry for the kids. Whether the coaches promised you the gold over the rainbow or not, the parents are to blame for the situation they put the kids in. Come on already, I see the coaches they have on this team, there is no way these guys are worth the cost of continuous scratching and clawing the 98's are having to do every weekend.For goodness sake, one of them was a house coach at oak lawn, and the other is in it for the pocket money. It was a terrible mistake, admit it.
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There are many worse teams in Chicago than CYA 94s. They were a solid team for a couple years, so they haven't even been close to getting their "butt kicked" since Squirt Major.
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As I said earlier, nobody has any right to say anything unless they're actually on the team and experiencing what we are. Who are you to judge the parents and their decisions? Who are you to say anything about Mark? Did you have him as a coach before? What's that? No, you didn't? I didn't think so. He's a great coach and an even better role model. All your bashing of the 98 team, their parents, and coaches... you really need to get a life. You sound so petty and jealous. Wait. I just figured it out. You're a parent of one of the kids that got cut aren't you? No wonder you're so jealous.
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Calling Cmunt a great role model is like comparing the Pope to Hitler. Cmunt NEVER has been or will ever be considered a great role model (until he moves out of his parents house).
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no my kid did not get cut, from what I heard, some paid ees of the f are still trying to recruit, and yes, the c man has coached my kid, in one of the 20 prior positions he has held. does that give me a right to talk about the 98 kids? no, it's not their fault, other than the attitude the parents fill them with!
but I can comment on the arrigant f parents that walk around the rink acting like they are so much better than the v and house people, (at all levels, not just this one). the point is, just because your (understood) kid plays for the f doesn't give you the right to step on the other players from different orgs, who may be better than players on the f. which may be the underlying reason this thread was started.
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No I don't have a 98. No my kid didn't get cut. Did Fury 98's actually CUT anyone? The point here is that YOU should not be on this board trying to talk sense into the idiot readers it draws. The more you post, the worse the attacks become. Learn that early on. Why do you care what other people think? Seriously, unless they are calling you or your kid out by name, let it go.
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don't know his name. He is the guy who has been calling all comers to the parking lot. I guess he took it personally when it was pointed out to him that the 98 team was in no way a AAA team or csdhl or for that matter NIHL gold / Elite. Nothing against the kids. It is the the truth. It is a long season when you are playing at a level you do not belong at.
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