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Mission Daddy Coaches

May 11 2011 at 12:14 PM
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Why does the Mission have daddy coaches? Great organization why any daddy coaches.Why ?????

 
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May 11 2011, 12:31 PM 

Suck mind person everwhere; Like room Mom; Her kids or worry about her kid idoit; no confident about lit seed;

 
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May 11 2011, 12:52 PM 

The Daddy coaches must be doing a pretty good job. Every Mission team was in the State finals.

 
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May 11 2011, 1:49 PM 

If you dont like it..... Dont play... Other AAA options

 
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May 11 2011, 2:46 PM 

Mostly because they are qualified to coach AAA, their kid belongs in AAA, and they do it cheaper than hiring an coach outside the organization.

 
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Cheaper

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May 11 2011, 5:01 PM 

Glad to know the coaches are doing a good job and they are all going to state - however the "cheaper" line is really a bunch of bull. I think Mission is the most expensive. If they are keeping costs down, who is paying for the coaches and their kids - oh yea the other teammates! I guess that justifies the higher fees.

 
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Coaching

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May 11 2011, 5:27 PM 

The Mission are highly skilled period. Hats off to the dad coaches!!!

 
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May 11 2011, 10:29 PM 

My kid will never play for a daddy coach. Honestly, I think it's pretty pathetic that dad just can't let someone else coach their kids. I don't give a crap how talented the kids is, how talented the coach is, there is just something weird about it. Also, the ONLY reason Mission is successful at almost every age level is because of LOCATION. How successful do you think Mission would be if they moved their home rink to Joliet, Northshore, or Peoria. Not very.

 
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May 12 2011, 7:18 AM 

Oh no-I guess the Mission organization will crumble without your kid there.!!

 
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May 12 2011, 7:00 AM 

Daddy coaches coach for one reason. To advance their own kid at another kids expense. If daddy wants to help ALL kids why doesn t daddy coach another team without his kid? The excuse will be not enough time to do that.

 
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May 12 2011, 10:54 AM 

most daddy coaches are in the game because they are better qualified. Until Illinois generates enough talented individuals willing to give back or until coaching provides a living salary then we will be subjected to coaches who may be motivated by a personal agenda. Bear in mind,in the 1980's AAA coaches were making 25K. Today's salary is half and ice time is reduced from four hours practice to three. These organizations are mainly interested lining their pockets and one way is to provide daddy coaches who are willing to work for less or in some cases nothing.

 
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May 12 2011, 4:48 PM 

What ever happened to coaches that do it because they love to be around hockey and love coaching? Why does a coach have to make 60K a year to coach a PW AAA team? If a coach wants an enormous amount of money or any money at all for that matter, then there is a totally different agenda he cares about. He isn't doing for the kids....believe me. Get a freakin real job (hockey coach is not a job!!!) and coach because you love it, not because it pays for your Mercedes Lease.

 
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May 12 2011, 10:11 PM 

These men completely understand the financial end of coaching AAA hockey in IL. I would venture to say that most, if not all who coach, especially those fortunate enough to coach their own kids, do not do it for the money. Those looking at it as their only income may have alot of work ahead of them. Power and politics? Maybe for some. But, hopefully for most its for the love of the game. To be in a position with such power is a priceless resource and one that may benefit their child/ren in their future hockey dreams.

The truth -if you have established resources (hockey background, college player, political connections,) why not. I know I most certainly would. The pressures and stresses are there for coaches, but so too is being a parent/family of a player who may not be treated with the same level of integrity as those in the inner circle, should there be one.

Coaching comes with alot of responsibility. If you are fortunate enough to be allowed to coach your own child's team you should have a heart filled with gratitude for the privledge. Families, coaches and players all sacrifice their time and resources in order to support their kids as much as they possibly can.

The respsonsiblity to treat each and every player fairly, to keep politics and $$$'s out of the equation, and to be able to say that you are truly a coach with pure intentions for the better of the team/organization may be easy to live by for some. And impossible for others.

 
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Hockey Coaches

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May 13 2011, 9:10 AM 

HkyTruth - You truely have your head up your ass, don't you? F*%king wake up you retarded troll! AAA coaches do it for the money and the money only! You are so jaded I don't even know where to begin insulting you because it would either go in one ear and out the other or go waaaaay over your head. Moron.

 
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May 15 2011, 8:43 AM 

You are certainly entitled to your opinion as am I. Your colorful use of expression is unique. I agree with you that there are some coaches who only do it for the money. They are usually pretty easy to spot and so you have to make the choice if you want your child under his influence. The AAA Daddy coaches I've encountered were all very financially secure and the extra income coaching brought was insignificant. Its the POWER. The position holds POWER in an arena where politics is rampid. Right or wrong, its political....what isn't. And having the power to advance your child in a very political arena is. I've seen coaches verbally attack players to other coaches and it did hurt that players' reputation. Sometimes it was warranted. That is the coaches job. However, sometimes it wasn't. It was personal. And that's when pure intentions come into play. That is something that that coach will have to face at some point in his life. You just deal with it and hope that fairness enters at some point and your child gets the recognition he/she may deserve.

 
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Hockey Coaches

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May 13 2011, 9:10 AM 

HkyTruth - You truely have your head up your ass, don't you? F*%king wake up you retarded troll! AAA coaches do it for the money and the money only! You are so jaded I don't even know where to begin insulting you because it would either go in one ear and out the other or go waaaaay over your head. Moron.

 
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May 13 2011, 9:07 AM 

By a wide margin, my kids best coach after 7 years of AAA was a Mission daddy coach. That is not only my opinion but my kids opinion as well.

 
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how does BN do it?

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May 13 2011, 9:38 AM 

daddy coaches in AAA is nuts.the kid is a very good AA player. there aren't 6 or 7 AAA D that are better, they are ALL BETTER and more deserving. this is truely a travesty. anyone who plays there is just plain dumb


 
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May 21 2011, 6:27 AM 

If B.N was a true hockey coach he wouldent put his 99 in a position he doesent deserve. People wake up where ever he has been he has been a cancer !

 
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Discernment

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May 21 2011, 1:25 PM 

I completely understand what you are saying. That is exactly what I mean about WHY some choose to coach. Its not always about money. Many do love the money. But sooo many love the chance to help not only their child/ren but others as well. I for one am so grateful for those few because they are badly needed. But POWER-power can be everything to some. And how that individual chooses to use that POWER defines them. Some realize the responsibility that comes with such a position and we are very lucky to have them. Others feel they have earned the power and ego takes over. Whenever ego is involved bad things usually follow.

 
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May 21 2011, 4:53 PM 

cancer is a complament, he single handily almost put Glenview's program under...they are still reeling from the selfish jag bag

 
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Huge conflict of interest

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May 21 2011, 5:44 PM 

Daddy coaches should not be allowed...If they are qualified they can coach for another team but not their sons team. Glad I was not brought up with daddy coaches. They were not allowed... period end of topic.

 
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May 24 2011, 8:17 AM 

The BN bashing is ridiculous....and bashing his son borders on weird.

BN is a really good hockey coach and his sons are both really good hockey players. The trouble is that you look at the boys and you can't figure out why they make teams that your bender doesn't make. They are not big kids, but they play a lot like their dad did. They are both really smart. They see the ice and they could skate. That is exactly what kept BN playing for so long at a high level.

 
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BN is Bad

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May 24 2011, 11:18 AM 

My kid is the bender that BN's kid bumped off the team.
BN's kid is not better. He didn't even show up to spring practice because it was so obvious.
My kid will settle the score with him when they play this season.

 
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May 24 2011, 4:13 PM 

Ya, make sure you tell your kid to sprear him in throat and kick him in the face when he is down to settle score you big frickin looooser.

 
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May 24 2011, 12:52 PM 

B.N. making friends again.

 
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May 26 2011, 1:40 PM 

doesnt matter

 
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B.N Strikes Again

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May 26 2011, 4:26 PM 

His 99 does not belong on the mission 99 team his 96 is only fair! Why has he always been a part of what both are doing ? To make deals and have his sons get what they do not deserve. Mission 99 team will implode next year with this kind of political crap. Why would Mission top brass do this to so many loyal families along with being one of the best 99 teams the past 2 seasons ? Integrity ????

 
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May 27 2011, 6:21 AM 

Read your email supporting BN and his kids. You said they are "REALLY GOOD HOCKEY PLAYERS" and "SMART LIKE THEIR DAD. You said "BASHING BN's SONS BORDERS ON WEIRD".

I agree wholeheartedly, kids should NOT be ridiculed on this website or any place for that matter. We all have the right to support those coaches/individuals who have treated us and our families/players with integrity and fairness. And it sounds as though you have been by BN. That is the way it should be.

However, YOU made a personal comment yourself about someone's child when you said "that your BENDER doesn't make".

Is that not "BASHING?" INTEGRITY lies in our words and actions.


 
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Revenge

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May 27 2011, 10:30 AM 

We will never be back at Mission.
My kid is being treated very unfair for a twelve year old.
This is not the example that should be set for players this young.

We have been dedicated to Mission and now they are just throwing my kid out to make shady deals for coaches and check writers.

BN sucks and is an ass for making these deals for himself. He is a bad person and will get what he deserves in the long run. Just like his kids.

Kevin Mann is obviously not worried about the integrity of his club or the people that have been dedicated to it to make it work.

He will get his return on his investment he has made on his kid in the long run also. An average hockey player that you sacrificed countless dollars and business relationships with for no real gain.

Kevin Mann is a sad disgrace to the hockey communitee. The sooner everyone stops supporting Mission, the sooner our kids can play hockey in a truely competitive and fair environment.

 
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Daddy Whiners

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May 27 2011, 10:58 AM 

Im sorry but unless a daddy has 15 sons all in the same birth year, what's the issue. If the best argument you got is one player kept you off a roster 15+ players, that's not very strong one. Everyone knows there are kids on the bubble at every tryouts and those last picks have more to do with off the ice things such as do the parents understand & accept what their players role will be or will they be a pain. If your player is clearly in the top half of the roster then you got issue but to say daddy's one son put you to the curb is pretty weak.

 
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May 28 2011, 12:39 PM 

Yes, you are dumb if you think the coach's kid may not keep a better player off the team...and an idiot for commenting like you know anything about it.

Look at the facts of Mission 99.

BN's kid is not close to being able to make the team, but he is on it.
My kid is not the only one affected by this. The existing players that have to play with sub par talent are not any happier.

I also need to start mentioning the Russians that are brought in as tenth forwards that take away ice time from the players who made the team. That is a raw deal handed down from Kevin Mann.

 
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June 17 2011, 5:27 AM 

How many daddy coaches come back to coach when their kid is done playing youth hockey? None! Its all about their kid and nothing else.

 
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May 27 2011, 11:05 AM 

Unfortunately, I witnessed first hand, this past year, things that were unethical, without integrity and ONLY about POWER and MONEY. And sadly, it was not at the Mission. It most certainly was not about the players. And that is exactly what it should be about.

Dues are high enough in this State to warrant fair and equal treatment, quality coaches and player growth for EVERYONE who earns it regardless of social status, financial status or political status.

One has to wonder if POWER and MONEY will become even more rampid now with the new changes that have occured in AAA Hockey.

Didn't we learn anything from the banks! That certainly caught up to those who ran the company with NO integrity. Unfortunately, as is the case here, the innocent have to pay the price as well.




 
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May 27 2011, 11:07 AM 

Take it easy Revenge. My kid skated with the Mission on two occasions. Once as a squirt and then again as a Midget. In both of the following seasons he did not make the Mission team and played at another AAA organization. We would have hoped to have been at the Mission forever but the reason he didn't make those teams the following year was because (drum roll please) he wasn't good enough. Neither is your kid. The good news is he has gone on to have a successful hockey career and now skates in the NAHL and is preparing for his second season there next fall. Not skating at the Mission is not the end of the world. Getting cut and making another AAA team teaches your kid valuable life lessons.

 
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May 27 2011, 11:41 AM 

That is great news about your player. You are right, some kids who don't make teams, Mission or otherwise, AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH! Of course. But a coach cannot always blame the player and family. That has become rampid and almost an out for those coaches who do not play by the universal rules. Its just as true that there are kids who do get cut, ignored, and thrown away for all the wrong reasons such as money, politics and social status. I don't know anyone who can argue with that. Personal reasons are fine to consider as long as it is not your ego's choice but a rationale decision that benefits the entire team. That does not always happen.

My players have experienced some of this as do many players. Its the way of the world. You either choose to learn from it or leave it. My players play hockey because they LOVE it, its their PASSION. You are not in it at this level unless you have the goal to play college or more. You do not put in the money and time into this sport at this level unless its in your heart and soul. Not all parents, but most see the reality in their players' ability and whether or not they belong at this level. The $$$'s alone will/would not allow you to ignore the truth. Unless you have money to throw away, you are not going to be able to ignore the obvious. We've chosen the same route as you, learn life's lessons. My players have learned many including the importance of truth, integrity, never giving up, never quitting, never EVER giving away your power and focusing on the positive vs. the negative.

Both of my players are under the age of 15 and they have already dealt with things that could send an adult running. They are of course much better persons for it. But that does not EVER excuse the pain these injustices bring to these young people AND their families.

Perhaps the TRUTH is that there's more than just the players and their families that have to learn LIFE LESSONS!

 
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Really?

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May 27 2011, 1:41 PM 

Sounds like AAA has changed since we were there....for the worse. We all knew that a dad or two might have written a nice check to the powers that be but it was never a bubble situation. Playing time maybe but there was never a question of deserving to be on the team. Is it really that blatent now? Politics? Yes. Over zealous parents who wish bad things on your kid so there's looks better? Yes. Back stabbing? yes. Even a few of the mom's sleeping with the coaches? Yes. And why did we get our kids into this sport again? Fortunatly the older they get the less BS plays into it and certainly at Jr.s it is almost non existent.

 
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May 27 2011, 6:42 PM 

Appreciate your follow up ex Mission. My kids won't pull out until 1) they don't want to do it anymore or 2) we run out of money. Ha. Despite things, there's so much good if you learn how to handle the bad. My kids tried 3-4 other sports and its HOCKEY they love. There's nothing like it. Been to some NAHL camps and some USHL. They were all very good experiences. Good Luck to you!!

 
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Whats the big deal

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May 27 2011, 11:48 AM 

This is IL bub. You pay you play...you stupid or somthing? If your kid is a bubble boy you better start bringing the check book to some practices. This is known as the "product placement policy" or "vendor participation policy" and is leagle and encouraged.
If your boy is great (supierior product)then its easy street....where the fcuk you from?
BN does nothing different...move on.

 
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May 27 2011, 1:55 PM 

Unfortunately, this sport has become a three ring circus! It happens all over Illinois and to the north. Dad coaches, friends, etc. It is all BS. Love the guys who talk about how parents should not be mad because their bender was on the bubble. If the reason was skills, yes you can explain that to your kid. If the reason was because the daddy coach liked someone else and his buddy's friend, well even at 11 or 12 kids see the truth. First of all, paying $7,000 plus travel expenses and weekends away is nuts at this age. I would love to have the stats of the number of kids that started in AAA and still are doing something at a high level at 16 or 17. I think they would be shocking. The kids that are good now are not always the kids that are good at an older age.

Parents both on the bench and off the bench have ruined this sport. I really do not know of any dad coach that coaches for the total love of it. It usually is financial and/or political. That is why some clubs-CM cash the checks from the ones who are willing to dish it out. It covers the ones of those who don't pay. It's a matter of checks and balances. DUH!

 
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IL AAA takes $ first than talent

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May 28 2011, 7:25 PM 

I've been there with my kid & I'm happy to say that even though he didn't make a AAA team in IL his last 2 seasons he managed to play Junior A hockey in another country, earn the leagues' rookie of the year, make the league All Star Game & return to the US only to make the USHL. Point is--over 75% of the kids that made up the Mission & TI during his last 2 seasons DID NOT move on--why? Because several shouldn't have been there but the loyalty thing & the money thing take over. I'm soaking in the glory watching their parents devasted that their kid didn't make the USHL--really? If he was that good to begin with you wouldn't have had to write that $25,000 check & sponsor the AAA organization--Mr. Nancy's Pizza... Mr. Galaxy... Mr. Carpenter... The door slams shut eventually.

 
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Been there

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May 28 2011, 7:45 PM 

Yeah OK. Your kid ain't play juniors but in your dreams. Just another upset parent because his kid is a bender. Yeah we know the story. Your kid was passed over because some parents could pay blah blah. It's true but in your case your kid sucked. Wake up you're having a nightmare.

 
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May 29 2011, 8:31 AM 

Actually my kid just signed his commitment letter for D1 so unless you are sure who you talking to, leave the comments for your friends who care.

 
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May 31 2011, 7:15 AM 

Good Luck to you. That's great news! Nice to hear.

 
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Good for you

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May 31 2011, 8:33 AM 

Your kid got his d1 deal blah blah blah. You got to wonder about the people on this sight. No more good info, just rippin people or bragging. Either way you come across as a tool bag. Good for you.

 
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Good News

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June 5 2011, 7:38 AM 

Heard the Russian is gone to Detroit nice kid "Whacked Out" father. Broke down entire team chemistry when put on the roster in October last season. Great news for the 99s, now only need to deal with two Daddy coaches who's players will get many more opportunity's then the rest. Hope Coach G.C is his own MAN.

 
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June 5 2011, 8:52 AM 

You made a very powerful and accurate statement BlueLiner. You get it. When a coach, Daddy or otherwise, does not coach for the better of EACH player on a team and begins to favor some over others it MOST DEFINITELY changes the chemistry of the team. We've been on teams that had unmatched talent, and did not even win the State title. The "entitled" players and families were shocked and couldn't believe we were walking out without that flag and title. Players get it, see it and feel it. I admire those who stick it out and rise to the top. It changes the entire success of the team. Case in point---1980 U.S. Olympic Team...Herb Brooks knew!! He was one in a million.

 
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June 6 2011, 4:06 AM 

Herd the Russian left because of the dad coach. He wanted to coach also and got shutdown.Wanted to favor his kid just like every other dad coach does. Didn t get his way so he took his puck and stick and left just like all daddy coaches do. This is just like a rerun of The Twighlight Zone.

 
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June 6 2011, 7:14 AM 

daddy coaches are only one way to make a team, the other way is to have mom work for the organization, it's a sure fire way to stay on with a team when the talent doesn't quite match the level.

 
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daddys boy

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June 6 2011, 7:48 AM 

Take this from a old Vet parent of AAA hockey. Daddy coaches
have been around for years, and yes for the most part they
are there to move there kid to regional & National camps,
PP, 1st line, whatever. However this practice only works at
the lower levers, PeeWee is the most popular age for Daddy
helping his boy. By Midget the same 12 & 13 year olds
are now 16 & 17. Daddy's little player must handle his own end
of the log now. The help is over and for the most part Daddy's
player is looked at as the odd ball of the locker room.
16 & 17 teen year tell it how it is during these years.
In the long run I have never seen a Daddy coach get his kid
threw Midgets on politics alone. Most fad away.

 
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June 6 2011, 10:10 AM 

lol - so true and what is equally worse is on this same team another position given away for a carpool situation. too bad they overlooked the two superior goalies who came and took the two who didn't deserve. wonder where they went b/c they were a definite loss for the front talent.

 
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June 6 2011, 10:39 AM 

What team are you talking about? The discussion was about the 99's, and only 1 goalie other than the returninig 2 tried out all spring.

 
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June 6 2011, 10:47 AM 

You have'nt a clue. One the goalies from last year decided not to return. That left the position wide open. The player that was selected had previous AAA experience. He was not selected because of where he lives.

 
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June 6 2011, 6:49 PM 

I believe the discussion has shifted to the 98's....Mom and Guest get it and not only have a clue, but are spot on in their assessment of talent over experience.

 
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June 17 2011, 6:39 AM 

You sure last year's goalie decided not to return on his own? Truth of the matter is that that poor kid was told he should look at other options.

 
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June 17 2011, 7:22 AM 

Yes I am sure. He is a lot better than than the kid who replaced him.

 
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