So i hear metro north is folding? a new hit league that is actually a league? I hear these teams are involved:

Viator
GBN
GBS
Stevenson
HP
NTG
LAG
PR
Barrington

Yes, new League is forming but MN is not folding but realigning with MC. More Parity for all involved.

Huge mistake. They are not good enough year-in, year-out. And always a bunch of goons, just look at penalty minutes the last few years.

HP is NOT in new League

1. GBN
2. GBS
3. Rockford
4. LAG
5. NTG
6. Barrington
7. Prairie Ridge
8. St. Viator
9. Stevenson

Is Viator leaving the Catholic League?

HP beat gold 2-1 and lost to NTG 5-4. it also says that stevenson is winless

HP will battle NTB for the NEW Metro North Title! Go get em Giants!

Metro North should kick a couple lower teams out (evanston, warren, marron, white) and add Gold/Green/Rita. That would b a real powerhouse. Metro North has been the backbone of highschool hockey and is teh best league.

Rita would never join because they're southside, but NTG and LAG maybe would if the lower teams left. LAG should also rejoin the Catholic League as it has taken its place again as the best league.

MetroNorth is the best league year after year a team makes the red divison every year and Deerfields won white the last two years

Not the best league this year tho. Catholic top five rita, viator, benet, fenwick, provi. MN top five GBN, stevenson, viator, GBS, HP

not even close this year. Without LAG and NTG, MN is no better than MW

Not sure why GBS is in the super league. I think if they played every team in the super league twice, they wouldn't win a single game. Without Philbin and Savino they are no better than a team like deerfield or mt carmel

those two kids were the only reason they had a decent season this past year, now they have nobody.

Raises the question is GBS's time as a top tier school over?

GBS's time is not over. They will be young and probably not as strong next year, but they will bounce back. They have a good feeder program and will restock. Next year's team will be challenged in the new league. If Metro North remained, they still would be within the top 5 in such league. In the new league, however, they are likely to be in the bottom half next year.

GBS's time as a true threat to win the HS Red Division State Championship has passed. Actually, the door closed on that plan in March of 2008 when they lost to GBN in the State Semi-Finals. The influence of Jerry K. was over, and Philbin has been challenged to put a State Championship caliber team together.

.....and that is the truth...

Anybody else think GBN coach will be on the hot seat if no state title next year?

No

This is not a joke but I did hear OPRF has talent coming in from club teams and AAA

NTG & LAG will never play in the Metro North. They are not wasting their time playing Evanston and Loyola Maroon 4 times a year.

NTG and LAG left Metro North for a reason.

thank you

evanston and all the bad teams are kicked out of metro noerthand ntg, lag, barrington, parie ridge, and rockford will be added

Metro North will still exist, with GBN, GBS, St Viator & Stevenson leaving. They are forming a new league with the other teams mentioned. The new league does not have a name as of yet.

Have heard some/all of remaining teams might be joining Metro Central. What happens with GBN/GBS/Viator/Stevenson JV Teams? Will they be participating in this new league as well?

Why would Rita leave the catholic league when their goal every year is to win the catholic league?? They aren't going anywhere

Hate to be captain obvious.

But if St. Rita decided to leave the Catholic League, their goal every year would change.

Boise State is still not trying to win the WAC every year. They have changed their goal to win the Big East.

Their goal should be to win division "X". Division "X" should be the division that helps the hockey program best going forward. That for the board to decide.

Saint rita is not joining the new league its only northshore teams plus viator, rockford, and barrington

This league is good for the 9 teams but not for the rest of Illinois high school hockey. Those lefotver Central and North teams will lose players to club teams now because their schedule is so unattractive.

The 9 will grow stronger, the rest will grow weaker over time.

Viator and GBS will lose every game in this league.
Viator will have no goaltending and will not be able to compete without one in this league. They will have a lot of scoring back but that won't make up for their major lose in the net.
GBS will have no scoring without Philbin and Savino and only have one good defenseman back.

Every good league has hoot teams and bad teams. Catholic league has brother rice, Norte dame
Metro north had warren, Evanston New Trier White.
GBS will be down for a few years, it's no big deal

Viator can recruit. This league will help them.

They also have one of the best coaches in the state

Its hard to recruit with a tuition of over 12k

Viator has a lot of kids who play for club teams that go to their school. They could be making the switchover real soon which will add to their unbelievable offense that they could assemble.Granted, goal-tending is a weakness, and probably the one position you don't want to be weak at, but they will be fine and potentially a top 5 team this yr.

Who can tell us what the pending lawsuit titled "Ahai vs. Stevenson/CSDHL" is about?

I saw something in the law bulletin but it did not elaborate.

Some programs such as GBS will be up and down from year to year. It is better to have GBS in the league. If a program has won the State Championship in the last 10 years, than they should not be left out.

Keep in mind that the league should be looking long term (3-7) years. Not whether a program lost a goalie or a forward. Teams will develop players. Crazy how every year there're 40 All State players.

if a halfway decent goaltender doesnt emerge out of the confines of saint viator high school they are in trouble. they migh aswell have 6 skaters the whole game...

cool

Does anyone have any definite infomation about the so-called "Supe (" league made up of Metro North teams and NTG and LAG? Please, we don't need to hear anymore speculation or comments about how some teams are good or bad. Just tell us, if you know, will this league exist, what info is available,what will be the format. etc?

The league will exist. It is not called the Super 9 league. Last I heard it was Great Lakes Hockey League, but they are thinking about different names.

It will consist of
NTG
Loyola Gold
GBN
GBS
St. Viator
Stevenson
Barrington
Rockford
Prairie Ridge.

Playoffs for this league will be similar to the Catholic League. 8-9 will have a playoff at the end of the year for the last spot. Then it will be 3 games series of 1 vs. 8 or 9, 2 vs. 7, 3 vs. 6, 4 vs. 5. The teams will schedule their own ice slots for games. The league will be a part of Metro, but the teams will not compete for the Scholastic Cup. JV will be doing this also.

Very good for the schools involved. I bet kids will opt for JV over Bantam AA for those schools. It will be a better schedule of competition.

The rest of Metro is kind of ugly now, isn't it? A steady diet of Latin, Niles, Evanston, Deerfield, Libertyville, etc. Ugly.

WILL THEY PLAY IN THE CCHL AS WELL?

After each of the 3 game series concludes what happens next to the
4 remaining winners? Do they play additional series, a round-robin or simply a single game elimination?

best-of-3 all the way through....

So will the 9 teams play a league schedule of 16 games, home/away with each of the other 8 teams, then go into the playoff format? Will they play 24 league games, 32 games(seems too many), or an unbalanced schedule?

The league will play a 24 game schedule. 3 vs each other team

Thank you for the info

This is another sign that Illinois has the WORST leadership in youth hockey. AHAI is the WORST to let this continued fragmentation occur. Same people involved, new president is as bad as they come, kissing the fanny of USA Hockey to ensure more fee money slush fund comes his way.

Next year there will be some other fragmentation, and more non traditional chaos for the clubs and teams. ISHL Metro Suburban CSDHL AAA Hit you name it...what a joke!

you must be involved with the HighlandPark team.....maybe, you can now compete for a metro championship.....just stay out of the penalty box

metro is gone, no longer, get with it!!!!

cant be a super league without CL South and Cary grove. The league title would be meaningless if the the teams in the super league continue to avoid south and CG

^good joke

This seems to replacing the HIT league and some consistently strong teams have been left out, why have
Fenwick, St. Rita, and NTG been left out?

NTG is in league
My understanding is that St Rita was asked to join but declined
I do not know about Fenwick

What are we thinking about Stevenson?

Crystal lake south is terrible. they have no buisness playing those teams. they only time that CG was good is when they had Michael Vilardo two or three seasons ago. he carried the team and is probably the best player to ever play high school hockey in illinois . whoever wrote that comment, you are an idiot

St. V just lost to the Leafs Midget Major CS team. Just proves the point that even the best High School teams in their called Super League are still a notch below Midget Major CS.

you're digging dude. St. Viator lost its top player to play AAA in Michigan this season, and had another top player leave last minute to focus on another sport. I think their all-state goalie graduated after last season.

Their top player skipped AA CSDHL to go to AAA, meaning he was more than qualified to play AA but instead chose High School last season. Why? becasue theres not a lot of difference in talent between HS and AA

The Leafs are in the top 2-3 teams in your league. SV admittedly will be in the bottom half of this "super" league this season. But the SV coach is excellent and will have them play hard and compete, and then he will reload next season.

NTG, GBN and LG are ALL on par with any of the Midget AA teams locally. The biggest difference is there is more parity at AA then at HS. There a some dud HS games on the schedule, depending on your school and league. And with MM AA you have to travel out of state every few weeks which is the best part for a lot of the parents (drinking, messing around). These HS kids play at home on the weekend, then go out with their friends. Not jump intot car for another 6 hour drive home

AAA or Prep is the next step beyond HS, certainly not AA

How can this league be super when no team south of I90/I-190 is even it? THe best teams are clearly in the South and Western Suburbs!

"Super" might be a little inflated, but clearly the best League in the area. CCHL is pretty strong, Metro West is pretty good, but the best teams locally are not south of I290, with the exception of Providence, and maybe NCentral. I guess you cant rule out Benet. And, I am from south of 290. Be realistic

AA teams 3rd and 4th line players would be top players on any of these high school teams. They choose AA because they get to practice regularily with high caliber players and coaches concerned about development.

Its more evident at JV level where the AA midget minor teams dominate High school.

This is such a stupid argument.
AA Teams are in fact HS All-star teams. They are made up of players from various High Schools. Other than the combined HS Teams, HS Hockey Teams are made up of kids who all attend the same HS.
AA teams should dominate HS Teams but they dont.
IF you had a season series best of 7 this year between NTG, LAG and GBN vs Huskies MM, Leafs and Falcons the series would be very very close. Remember NTG is the strongest team this year and they have yet to play Huskies or Leafs. GBN and LAG lost but games were extremely close.

I'm curious to see how Benet will do in Detroit this weekend. It looks like this will be a good test for them. Someone from Benet please post scores and let us know how you guys are doing. I think you're the only Illinois high school going, but there are quite a few CSDHL mm AA teams (playing in the 16U division, not 18U). Good luck, I'm pulling for you!

NTG 3 HUSKIES 2
Now everyone shut up about AA hockey being good, those kids were bender-city

What was the score of Leafs vs Viator this past weekend?
What was the score of Fenwick vs Viator?
What was the score Phoenix vs Viator?

Leafs Viator was 3-2 Leafs
Pheonix Viator was like 7-2 Pheonix
Fenwick Viator was 9-0 Fenwick

Leafs destroyed them.

Illinois hockey is so frickin disjointed and fragmented that of course people argue which level is better. I think that the people that promote AA are the club board members, and the coaches, who make money on the kids who play. If the focus was on high school, where yes there are boards and politics and paid coaches too, but the primary enthusiasm is hockey for you and your firneds.

But, no, AHAI contines to allow excessive fragmentation, just like their focus on CSDHL versus NIHL.

Get your kids playuing high school. Every team that I know of is on the ice four to five times per week, play 40-50 games, and the kids play in front of parents AND school mates.'

Get with it AHAI.

So we have HS CSDHL and NIHL, without doing a in depth numbers crunch. If you were to move all the kids from CS and HIHL to HS, where would they all play? Are there enough combined teams to accomodate, 360 players? Are they in the right Geographic area? I really does not matter what better, worse or different. The bottom line is you need the options to have enough spaces for all the kids to play that want to.

What happened in last night's Loyola Gold vs Stevenson game?

LAG 3-0

Okay all you northshore people need to hop off your pedestals... To say that you are the backbone of HS hockey is just wrong. Teams like Providence and Sandburg and a good amount of catholic teams can easily compete with you guys. The southern suburb teams just don't want to drive all the way up there for Tuesday or Thursday night games and get shafted by northside refs like in previous years. This is the reason Metro disbanded, because the stuck up north spiders didn't ever want to compromise. On a different note, this league you all are talking about is NOT by any means a "Super League." If you want to know what a super league looks like, look no further than HIT League. Hands down consistently the best teams in HS. Granted, this year LAG, Rita, GBN, and GBS left the league for some reason... But it was/is the best group of teams in HS

Last Night GBN 7 Rita 0 in the southwest arena

Hahah I think we can all agree that both Rita and Viator are going to be awful this year

Rita isn't that bad. GBN played a very good game. lot's of skill on that first line

Yeah I agree, it's not solely that Rita is struggling, GBN has a solid offensive line. But there is no arguing that Rita lost a lot of the guns they had last year

Don't count Stevenson out either. They just have to come together and actually play as a team. They have a solid goaltender and could finish in the top 4

Yea should be one of the more interesting seasons in awhile. A lot of emerging teams could end up on top. I think this year is sandburgs best chance of going far. They were all Jrs last year and still did exceptional. More matured this season and added a few key players on both ends. Good luck to everyone this season. Make it a good one

why did Rita D man switch over to sandburg

Hahaha idk man... Im on Sandburg and I don't even know why Botica transferred. He hits tho and that's what we needed so I don't really care. Kinda scared to ask him tho

Does the new league have a website? If not, can an insider tell us whether one will launch and when?

http://www.ahai2.org/stats2012/IHSHL_Scholastic_Division/k-1t13.htm

do you have a link to the North Central standings/stats also? Thanks for any assistance.

http://www.ahai2.org/stats2012/IHSHL_North-Central_Division/k-1t13.htm

What a year later does to a team taking about Viator Tough time up there for lappin......

Yea they suck this year. Which sucks because they got so close last year. Shame

They'll come back. Hopefully frustration does not get to them and they let Lapps go. would be a real shame, he's best coach they've ever had and he coached one of the best season in IL HS history last year

Firing Lapp would be the stupidest thing they could possibly do. He got so much out of those kids last year, one of the reasons they got to where they did.

I think he's gone after this year! He had a great team last year, this year not so much.

Great team? the 10-11 was much deeper and more skilled but did not have the coaching to get to the finals. With the talent viator had the three previous seasons they should have easily gotten one ring and last years team was easily the least talented out of the three, but they had the best attitude, work ethic, and coaching the previous two teams did not. Lappin came in and completely changed the culture and did not give a damn about what parents or anybody else thought and thats why they got to the UC.

NTG 3 Huskies 2 causes you to call the Huskies benders? After that 1 goal rout?

Who called the huskies benders? Haha i have no idea what your talking about

The poster on Oct 20 at 10:49 made that reference. I tacked onto your post to get at the front of the list rather than go all the way down the menu.

Haha I still can't find it. Maybe it was on a different post

It's dated Oct 20 but is located with posts dated Sept 26/27

Oh yea I found it now. I wouldn't say they are benders, but that's a good win for NTG

The whole point is that the huskies players are in no way benders. They are a good team but NTG was clearly better. The shots were like 28-12 NTG but huskies are still good that was their first loss

Agreed

NTG 9 Viator 2

GBN 3 PR 0

GBN NTG will be an incredibly good game..... as well as LAG NTG

I'm interested to see how Benet does against GBN. They tied Fenwick last weekend.

GBN vs NTG should determine who, at the moment, is number 1. Things change obviously

GBN (their first game) beat Benet, not sure of the score

GBN beat Fenwick in Indianapolis 4-2

I think GBN will wear NTG down, NTG has one line that Fenwick could match with their First Line, GBN on the other hand got all over Fenwick. Dana was not in net though so you need to remember that. GBN has 2 Lines that would be Starters at any school!

Fenwick only beat NTG because of Dana

and what wins games in march? goaltending as fenwick showed last year. Keeping that in mind don't count out Rita this year

Rita is way too far out of the picture. I don't care if Lundqvist is their goalie, they cant score.

when green plays there on. simple as that.

^Not sure what you mean by that

Agreed....when GBN or LAG is playing they're on to.....once again they are the top 3 teams

The question is, how far the Gap between them? Which team will be more consitent day in and day out? Who has more Depth and who has bigger hearts, Coaching is pretty much even

What was the score of the LAG vs. GBS game? How did the teams look? I heard that GBS is very young.

2-1 lag. Majority of play in gbs end but they managed to keep the puck out of the net.

LAG is a very good HS Team with Absolutely zero offense. Whether they play GBN, green or GBS the scores will be close.
Their strength is all the returning defensemen and strong goaltending. If they get behind in a game there is no chance for a comeback.

Agreed. LA has a good team and its strengh is with the defense. When they match against a good goaltender which GBS has, the game can be close. LA will dominate games but could lose some of these games.

Keep in Mind they are playing without one of their top goal scorers who is still playing football. Also DJ is still running out all his players trying to see who will and can step up to replace all the skill players who left early this year(two forwards and a defensemen plus those players that graduated)..

Yes.....But.... NTG 8 GBS 1 and Loyola scores only 2 goals on GBS? Also, most teams roll their lines for the most part.

NT clearly has the edge in scoring ability to LA. Is that really any different than any year? DJ rolling lines has nothing to do with anything. NT offensive skill is flat out superior. However this comparison of two games isn't a good one. NT had 6 or 7 power plays including two 5 on 3 against GBS. Anybody knowing NT over the years knows they have they best power play anywhere and this year could be as good as its been in several years. BTW, NT does not roll the lines for power plays. Same players every time who make teams pay for being in the box.

I have the over/under for percentatge of goals being on power play this year for NT at 60%.

Green doesn't do anything strategically different on their pp than anyone else could do.

Also, people always complain about Green getting power plays. Look at why they get power plays. They usually have a number of kids that can really play and the only way the other team can slow them down is by committing an infraction.

gold just blows flat out

Neither green nor gold will be winning state this year so don't waste your breath fighting

^haha good joke

i didn't notice anybody "wasting their freath fighting". Though you may be right as the final 8 is a crapshoot most of the time.

All IL High School hockey is garbage and is a bunch of benders that should go back to A hockey before they embarrass themselves in front of their classmates. Yes it is fun to play in front of your classmates but how is it fun when they all realize you suck at hockey?

Wow your one of those guys^... If HS hockey is so worthless why waste your time commenting on this page. HS hockey is a step up from AA and down from AAA so just stop trying to pick fights. I think we can all agree on this

^True that. I don't understand why errogant people comment on this page. Anyways, going off of my previous comment, neither LAG nor NTG will be winning state this year. The state title will be won by a team who hasnt won in it awhile or maybe ever. Yes I'm talking teams like Fenwick, GBN, Sandburg, Providence, and maybe even Benet. One of these teams will be winning state this year. You heard it here first

HS hockey is a step up from AA hockey? When did that happen?

Match the top five HS teams against top five AA teams and I guarentee HS wins four out of five.

Easiest way to settle this is that if your school has a pure team and u play club then you're an idiot. simple as that

HS is better. Which is sad for AA because they can recruit kids from around the state and still fail to be better than the top HS teams. Pathetic

I'm still not sure why AA MM club even exists. It's not AAA and it's not HS. It's a tweener which means it a nothing for 99% of the players.

There are plenty of HS playing and a bunch of combined teams around if your HS doesn't have a team.

If they dropped AA travel teams more schools would have their own teams and fewer combine teams would exists. It would also make HS stronger and Hockey in Illinois would also benefit from more competitive teams at the HS level.

yes i agree 100 percent

1) AAA MM and mm hockey are king, but it really has little impact on HS or AA. There are only 4 teams with 80 players. Some of these players come from out of state.

2) NTG, because they have won over 95% of their games with AA and HS teams for over a decade.

3) Yap all you want, but CSDHL/ AA Midgets and the top 25 High Schools are now even. Top HS 25 have caught them.

4) Midget MM- A and HS ranked #26 and lower are equal.

5) The wannabee rink rats and parents that do most of the boasting on Complete Hockey Threads.


Love the game and just play it. Neither justify the level you play, nor knock the others.

Read your thread about HS>AA Hockey. Wasn't sure if you were an uninformed blowhard (which you are)or if you had actual facts (which you don't). Quick glance at Myhockey. HS teams that are considered usually strong or had good records this year were 5-11-1 against AA teams. That includes NTG 2-0. Talking GBS, Fenwick, Deerfield, Stevenson and Benet. Oh and all the HS teams with real good records like Hersey/BG, HP and Sandburg what do they have in commom....no AA teams played. Coincidence? Think not. Wait for your response.

My son moved from playing AA and AAA to HS. While there are several HS players who have AA ability, my observation of HS hockey is that the top CSDHL M MINOR teams would beat most HS varsity teams handily. The top HS teams each have several players with AAA or CSDHL experience and top level coaching. Those teams can compete with top level AA teams. However, some HS teams have difficulty just getting into their power plays; that breakdown happens only occasionally for top AA teams. High school teams that are populated largely by NIHL or house league level players are far behind the top AA teams.

GBS and Deerfield aren't even in the top 10 or 15 in state. Match up the best vs the best. NTG could beat any AA team. As could Loyola, gbn, Sandburg, or Rockford.

As soon as you use MyHockey to support your stance you lose credibility. At this time they have incomplete schedule results( games played ,but not yet recorded) As of today they didn't even have games listed for some HS teams. Over the years at the NCAA and Midget AAA levels there have always been complaints of an Eastern bias in their rankings. That bias and score reporting deficiency makes the rankings highly suspect. Specifically, when their methodology puts such a heavy emphasis on a team's SOS.

You should suspect poll disagreements regarding youth hockey, when people question the NCAA Football rankings from the BCS, AP, Coaches, Harris, and 6 other polls that can't even rank the top teams in the same order with all the data fed into the computers.

Did you even look at how many different levels ( youth USA and Canada, HS 50 states,juniors US and Canada, and College DI and DIII,etc..) polls they attempt to rank...., and your trying to compare their Illinois' AA and HS polls. That is completely ludicrous to believe that is spot on. You're a politicians dream.

Bottomline is whether the Illinois CSDHL/AA teams are better than the top 15, 20, or 25 is really not an issue to get down to the finite. The fact is they are are close, on par with , or comparable. Live with it.

Well said my man^

^ I agree with this post. MyHockeyRankings is not a reliable source. And to say that teams like Sandburg havnt played AA teams yet is a stupid argument. It hasn't been in their schedule yet? Nothing more to it. AA is the awkward and unwanted uncle between HS and AAA. Why stick with travel hockey of there is a 0% chance of anything coming from it unlike AAA? Why go for another meaningless NIHL championship that u probably already have like 3 of from the previous 8 years of travel when you could be representing your HS and fighting for a state championship at the UC? The only logical reason a high schooler would choose to play AA is if they don't have enough faith in their HS team if their school sucks.

I completely agree. Any HS player/parent with a brain knows that AAA is better than HS. There is no debating that. They are the top 80 (or 160) players in Illinois, MANY from out of state. AA hockey in Illinois is absolutely pointless. There is no chance of continuing your future in hockey (Juniors, NCAA college) by playing AA hockey, and there really isn't any shot of it in HS hockey. So why do these kids play AA? I am a player, and I played CSDHL at my club team until I was a freshman. HS is much, much more fun, BUT that does not mean it is not competitive or serious. Your HS's fans come and watch you play, articles in the newspaper, stats online, all-state and all star games, local games etc. all make HS hockey so much more fun. As for all the stupid-ass AA kids who come on this thread to talk shit about HS hockey, EVERY SINGLE TOP 15 HS TEAM IS COMPARABLE TO ANY ILLINOIS CSDHL TEAM. get over it. the rest of the teams are comparable to CSDHL or maybe NIHL Midget. Whoever brought MYHOCKEY into this mix is an idiot; the system is not very accurate and the site has missing scores etc. But I will play your game. Rockford, who is usually a top CSDHL team, is ranked on MYHOCKEY, 13th in Illinois HS. I think you can piece together the rest.

Haha yes. I didn't even think to use Rockford as an example. But yes they are in both leagues and are not a very good HS team. Point and match

does anybody else get a good laugh out of the fact that the MnJHL or NA3HL exists?

Rockford is 0-6-0 in Midget Major CSDHL with basically the same roster as their HS team.

Just sayin

Is MnJHL in Minnesota right? That's a decent league from what I've heard. Feeds into NA

Spoken like a true HS dad. Most kids on their HS teams never made top AA club. Talk to people from other States even they know Illinois HS is a joke.

This is wrong. Take the top 10 teams in the state for highschool and 90% of each team played top level at AA. There is certainly a huge gap between good HS teams and bad HS teams, but that's because there are so many damn teams compared to the same 10 teams you play all season at AA. Most of us highschoolers go into freshman year coming from either Gold or CS AA.... We have just made the decision that 8 or 9 years of travel hockey was enough and HS is more fun. Why can't you AA people understand and respect that? I just don't understand why you think AA is better....... Ive played with both.

And believe it or not.... There is actually a blend of AAA players in the HS mix which I know there is 100% no AAA players in a AA league for obvious reasons. These are the facts. It is non debatable .

Hey .207 your facts are wrong. HS is not full of AA players from top club. Just because you say it over and over again doesn't make it true. HS hockey is the the worst hockey in the State. That is not debateable.

AA sucks wang.

Let's look at the Illinois Midget CSDHL/AA/Elite A&B trend over the past 10 years:

GROUP A-
Current CSDHL teams Bruins*, Chargers*, Falcons, Sabres, Hawks*, Huskies*, Leafs*, and Rockford
* denotes that Organization had to move to new rink and/or had to reconfigure under new name to survive lower membership numbers. None of these teams has been CSDHL over the entire 8 year span due to above listed circumstances or for lack of talent to qualify as a CSDHL team. Some of these teams didn't even have a Midget team during this 10yr. span due to lack of player numbers.

Group B-
Programs with MM NIHL Elite Levels A and B- Cyclones#, Joliet, Komets, Peoria#, Skokie#, and Wolfpack
# denotes organizations that had successful CSDHL MM teams during the past 10yr. period, but have not recently qualified a team for sometime.

GROUP C-
These programs are having difficulty maintaining their player numbers at the MM level and at this have no MM teams at any level and some have no plans to initiate one- Blues, Express, Glenview, and Vikings.

Group D-
Programs that at one time had highly successful MM teams but no longer exist- Atoms and Flames.

Prognosis for Illinois Midget Major AA Level Hockey- on life support, slow death, gone in 5 years.

Yes it is debatable but it is an old and pointless debate that serves no real purpose since neither is going to take you any farther in hockey than the other. There are good HS teams and bad, just as there good AA clubs and bad. Time to just let it go, if your ego will allow it, and enjoy what you have. Or just continue to delude yourself and delay reality if you so choose.

You're wrong kid. Go back to AA and play for a meaningless NIHL league. And yes my whole team is either from AA CS or AAA you dumb pussy

AA is dying. The post above it 100% correct. I used to play AA for 8 years so I'm not bashing it... But it is a new era for hockey at our age level. The AA team I used to play for has not been able to roster a team at the MM level for the last 3 years. It is dying

In the league teams signed four year contracts but can be voted out based on performance. There is an emergency out. Will they kick viator out of the league?

if they kick viator out, then GBS has to go as well

I doubt that either GBS or SV will get booted out. This new league started on the basis of a need for good competition not for TV revenue sharing like NCAA sports.

Please realize that most schools' talent pools are cyclical, not steady streams of talent laden players.(note that the word talent is a relative term). Only NTG, LAG, GBN, & Rockford are consistent top winners in the HS level. HS leagues thrive on consistency and proximate school rivalries. GBS and SV fit the geographical and competitive nature of this league. Rockford is the exception to the rule and is familiar with the role of a nomadic trollup from their CSDHL experiences.

There are schools that fit into the same frame as GBS or SV (Fenwick,St.Rita,NC,Provi,and others) as up and down talent pools that are more frequently good than meh, but they are also schools that are part of conferences that they don't wish to sever ties with.

Yea, if they kick out those 2 teams, who are they going to try and get to replace them? Doubtful that any CCHL team is going to leave their league and the same goes for most of the teams in the West league.

Does Viator really want to be killed in 24 games a year. Also, GBS will be in the league as long as GBN is because they are rivals. Would Sandbrug really think their league is better than the Scholastic league? The Scholastic league gets 40 fames streamed. They have had 21 teams in the last 15 state championship game they also have 10 of the last 15 champions. Who wouldn't want that competition? They should be able to get a team better than Viator.

You forget what Viator was last year. Thats why they are in it, one down year is nothing

Well their coach who developed all the kids left for GBN if that says anything.Also, their jv is also horrible without many kids. Their next couple of years look really bad.

Interesting thing for Viator would be to replace the current coach with former GBN Coach Brunner. He works for the Wolf Pack and is at West Meadows most days. Lappin is totally out of control and kids will not go to Viator to play for him. They would if they hired MB who my have learned over the past couple I years how to be manage people a little better.

Catholic league teams have been running everything the past couple years. maybe its time to relize that the teams that were usually top teams might be replaced

Define "running everything". I'm not sure you can make a generalization like that after one year of a Catholic league state final.

u know, "running things" like the spanish inqisition,

Youre right...CCHL teams have been running things for two years. Oh, ecxept for when GBN and NTG played at the UC. In 2011. Seems they beat Fenwick and LAG to get there.