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ZVEK ZIVI CETINJANIN
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November 28 2006, 7:35 AM 

The Montenegrin Orthodox Church (MOC) after the WW2

























The status of the MOC and the Government attitude towards the MOC after WW2 in the 'Self managing Socialist Republic Montenegro' could be found in the documents emerged as a result of the dispute between the Serbian Orthodox Church (SOC) and the Government of Montenegro in late sixties and early seventies. One of these documents is the letter sent by ‘Socijalisticka Republika Crna Gora - Skupstina Opstine Cetinje' - Number: 01-5853 - Cetinje, November the 2nd 1970 to Constitutional Court of Montenegro – Titograd.
On April 27, 1970 Metropolitan of Montenegro and the Coast (Crnogorsko-primorski) –a branch of the Serbian Orthodox Church- filed a law-suit against government of Montenegro and Cetinje municipality for their intention to build a mausoleum on mount Lovcen. The Metropolitan alleged that, the decision of Government of Montenegro and Cetinje municipality (1952) to move Njegos’ chapel on mount Lovcen, and build mausoleum in its place, were unlawful and unconstitutional. The Metropolitan lost the case eventually, and the Njegos’ mausoleum was built by the renown sculptor Ivan Mestrovic, but it might be interesting to see the official view (letter) of Cetinje’s authorities submitted in a response to the claim of the SOC to the Constitutional Court of Montenegro.

The authorities of Cetinje in the letter to the Constitutional Court questioned "active legitimacy of the Metropolitan of Montenegro and the Coast and the SOC to represent the interests of the MOC in the Yugoslav courts". The authorities stressed that, "had the MOC been in ‘regular state’ the reasons for bringing up and judging whether the decision from 1952 of the Government of Montenegro to build the mausoleum were constitutional and legal, would have been meaningless". It follows "since the MOC is in a ‘non-regular state’ (neredovno stanje)- it has neither a Metropolitan nor a Holy Synod- therefore nobody can bring about the dispute on its behalf. The MOC was brought in ‘non-regular state’ practically by the abolishment of the Montenegrin statehood (1918)".

The letter informs about the history of autocephal (independent) MOC as well as its independent organization and internal governance. It clearly disputes the legitimacy of Regent Alexander to abolish the MOC in 1920. More specifically, "the Regent Alexander's decree issued on August 8th 1920, was neither constitutional nor canonical".

"By this decree Regent Alexander ‘united’ all the autocephalous and autonomous orthodox churches in Yugoslav states, as well as eparchies under the jurisdiction of other churches in one –Serbian Church".
"Unification of the ‘Serbian churches’ into ‘one’ Alexander did while he was still the Regent of Serbian kingdom. However, he became the King of the rest of the Yugoslav states in the following year (1921) by the declaration of the so-called ‘St. Vitas Constitution’ (Vidovdanski ustav). Thus, not before the declaration of St. Vitas Constitution had the legitimacy of Montenegrin sovereigns from the Petrovics’ dynasty ceased to exist. In other words, when the Regent Alexander ‘united’ the ‘Serbian churches’ not only the Kingdom of Montenegro still existed but also the Holy Synod of the MOC was still functioning legally and factually".
According to Montenegrin historian Dr Dimo Vujovic (Ujedinjenje Crne Gore i Srbije, Titograd 1952), between 1918 and 1921, Montenegro was occupied by Serbian, French, Italian, English, and American troops. This action followed the decision of the Inter-allied Commission in Versailles to occupy Montenegro by allied forces while all the constitutional representatives of executive power were confined in France".
" Therefore, Regent Alexander could not, either canonically nor according to the church's constitutional law, abolish the Autocephalous Montenegrin Orthodox Church, because it is indisputable that, even the government never considered itself authorized to introduce any changes into church organization without consent of the church's authorities".
The letter further states that,
"the current illegitimate state of MOC is a relic of the past. At present the MOC is in the state of interregnum, and therefore the representative of constitutional executive power in the Socialist Republic Montenegro should consider the restoration and constitutional organization of the MOC".
…"enlargement of the SOC in Montenegro was and remained the act of violence, so that anomaly must be corrected by our Self managing Socialist Government".

Despite these statements the MOC has not been restored during the era of the ‘Self managing Socialism’.

 
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November 28 2006, 7:42 AM 

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November 28 2006, 7:43 AM 

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ZVEK ZIVI CETINJANIN
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November 28 2006, 7:45 AM 

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ZVEK ZIVI CETINJANIN
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November 28 2006, 1:36 PM 

OK Pavle.

Your great-grandfather Vasilije was Montenegrin but zou nhave order from serb church, that you must be Serb!

Your great-grandfather Vasilije was free man, and now you took slave - Serb (Serv = Servant) history!

Bravo!



Aleksandar S. Puškin: Bonaparta i Crnogorci



Bonaparta pitao je:
"Crnogorci - što je to?
Zar se zbilja sile moje
Ne boji to pleme zlo?

Kajaæe se - objavite
Nek` vojvode puka tog
pištolje i sablje vite
kraj koljena baèe mog".

I na nas on, evo, krete
Sto topova uz njin huk,
Oklopnika kršnih èete
I memluka svojih puk.

Do predaje nama nije,
Crnogorska to je æud;
Od konjice, pješadije,
Krš nas brani odasvud.

Zasjesmo u stijenje naše
Da vratimo gostu dug;
U planinu gost nam jaše
Pustošeæi sve u krug.

Pored stijenja vojska ide,
Namah zbrka! pršte stroj!
Francuzi nad sobom vide:
Crveni se kapa roj!

"Stoj i pali! Nek` ukloni
Crnogorca svaki svog
Ne mole za milost oni
ne štedite nijednog!"

Grunule su puške - spale
Kape s grana dignutih,
I u grmlje na nas pale
Pritajene ispod njih

Plotunom smo uzvratili
Francuzima. "Što je to?" -
Oni su se zaèudili:
"Nije l` eho?" - "Ne, veæ zlo!"

Pukovnik je njihov pao
S njim sto ljudi i njin stijeg,
Puk se smeo sav i dao
Kako ko zna u lud bijeg.

Stog Francuzi mrze tajno
Naš slobodni, kršni kraš,
I crvene kad sluèajno
Crven kalpak vide naš.



A. S. Puškin (06. 06. 1799 - 29. 1. 1837) ruski pjesnik


http://pushkin.niv.ru/pushkin/text/pesni-zapadnyh-slavyan/pesni_1.htm

 
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Anonymous
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November 28 2006, 5:44 PM 

That's what I've been saying... Equating Serbs with "Servs" or Slavs with slaves is pretty humoruous... Serbs are one of the oldest Slavic peoples, if not the oldest... This guy is probably not even Montenegrin-Orthodox but an Albanian from Montenegro... I can bet on that.

 
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November 28 2006, 7:17 PM 

Gerasim, what you have with that one of the oldest people ?????

What have whith old Serbs Pavle, we can clearly see from domument, american dokuments, that gronthfather of Pavle was not Serb!


 
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November 28 2006, 7:40 PM 

Na srpskom æu. Nisam mislio najstariji narod, nego jedan od starijih slovenskih naroda. Ako nas veæ nazivaš robovima trebalo bi da znaš da smo se mi nazivali Serbima pre nego što smo došli u dodir sa Latinima i Grcima (gde je nastao naziv serV)... Jesu li i Srbi iz istoène Nemaèke isto Servi-sluge?

 
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November 28 2006, 8:48 PM 

Srbi iz Istocne Njemacke nijesu nikakvi Srbi, vec ih vi zovete Srbima.
Njemci na dva razlicita nacina zovu Luzicke "Srbe" i balkanske "Srbe"

Uostalom ne znam kakve veze to ima sa tobom i sa 99,9% Srba?
Ne postoji ni jedan promil "Srba", koji vode porijeklo od tih prasrba.

Danasnji naziv Srbin vodi porijeklo iskljucivo i bez ikakve dileme od srednjevjekovnih zavisnih seljaka - sebara/srbalja.

Srbalj je ratar, a Srpkinja bukvalno zena koja kosi sa srpom.

Ima bezbroj izvora koji potvrdjuju da su srednjevjekovni "Srbi" bili iskljucivo socijalni sloj, i nista drugo.

 
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November 28 2006, 10:13 PM 

Mi ih zovemo Srbima? Ti si malo odlepio... Hajde reci mi ti molim te kako oni sebe nazivaju, prosvetli me... MI, na zalost, uglavnom i ne znamo za luzicke Srbe. Od svih Slovena, Srbi imaju najmanje literature napisane o njima.

Stvarno si smesan koliko si paranoican, hajde cekam odgovor da vidim kako sebe nazivaju ti ljudi koje samo mi nazivamo Srbima...

I opet u toj tvojoj "logici" nema nikakvog smisla... Srpkinja nema nikakve veze sa srpom, jer je glas b vremenom prelazio u p, jer ne nazivamo mi sebe "Srpi"...

Ti si covece cist primer coveka koji "logiku" primenjije kako njemu odgovara. Kako te ne ubi do sada ta mrznja? Reci mi, veruje li ti iko u te gluposti?

 
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November 28 2006, 10:16 PM 

I hajde ti meni objasni odakle mi to poticemo... Znas li ti gde si bili rasprostranjeni nekadasnji Serbi i Horvati, pe migracije na Balkan? Raspitaj se malo, a onda isto tako pogledaj gde se nalaze luzicki Srbi... Ako uopste ima smisla raspravljati sa tobom...

 
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Dukljanin
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November 28 2006, 11:17 PM 

Odakle poticete?
Sa raznih strana, sa mnogo strana.

Ali ime nosite po sebrima - srednjevjekovnim zavisnim seljacima, neslobodnim ljudima.
Srpska crkva je poslije vjekova ropstva pod Turcima gledala u stare povelje i knjige i nasla nekakve Srblje koje je proglasila za narod, ustavri radilo se o socijalnom sloju, nikakvom narodu, nikakvu narodnu svijest Srbi nijesu imali u srednjevjekovnoj Srbiji.
Nijesu imali nikakvu sviojest da pripadaju nekom narodu - Srbima.

 
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November 28 2006, 11:25 PM 

Thank you for the large amount of info. I guess since my family has been in the same area since 1330, it is safe to say that I am Crnogorac.

 
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November 28 2006, 11:33 PM 

(ne)vesto izbegavas da odgovoris na pitanja koja sam postavio... Tvoje formulacije zvuce kao kada neki desetogodisnjak odgovara na casu istorije, samo sto ovo sto ti lupetas nema nigde... Izmisljaj koliko ti je volja, ako narod u CG veruje takvima kao sto si ti onda mi je stvarno drago sto postoji granica.

Dakle odgovori mi, kako sebe naziva taj slovenski narod na istku Nemacke...? Odakle su migrirali danasnji balkanski Srbi?

 
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November 29 2006, 7:02 AM 

Qote: Pavle !
Thank you for the large amount of info. I guess since my family has been in the same area since 1330, it is safe to say that I am Crnogorac.
Pavle you are Crnogorac !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not serb ,bat C R N O G O R A C KRISTIAN ORTODOKS ! !!!!!!!!!!

 
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November 29 2006, 7:08 AM 

Montenegro sets its sights high
27/11/2006

Could Montenegro become the next Monaco? Already enjoying a property boom and rising revenues from tourism, the country is seeking to attract major foreign investment.
By Robert C. Austin for Southeast European Times – 27/11/06


Montenegro is seeing a boom in the tourism and investment industries. [SE Times]

With its spectacular coastline and rugged mountainous interior, Montenegro has great tourist potential. Now that the republic has gained independence from the former state union with Serbia, some say it could become the next Monaco. Examples abound -- one need only think of Greece, Portugal and Spain -- of the economic benefits arising from international tourism. Newly sovereign Montenegro is well-poised to seize the opportunity.

Defying predictions that the May independence referendum would sow instability, Montenegro actually saw its tourism numbers grow this past summer. Currently, a mad rush is on to buy property, while the government has endeavoured to make investment there as painless as possible. Revenues can be expected to continue growing annually, and investment figures -- fueled by the massive property boom -- are impressive. Indeed, Montenegro is third in Europe in terms of per capita foreign direct investment.

So far, Russians have been the key players. With investments estimated at $2 billion, they dominate a sizeable chunk of the economy. Among other strategic assets, they own the crucial aluminum factory in Podgorica. Not everyone in Montenegro is entirely happy with so much Russian money flowing in, and the government has been keen to diversify. Those critical of the Russians express doubt that pledges will be kept, particularly environmental guarantees.

Russians also account for the largest growth rate among international tourists. While they are often perceived as dominating the industry, however, the actual situation is more complex. Slovenes, for instance, have developed a new coastal hotel in Sveti Stefan. An Irish interest has bought Hotel Fjord in Kotor and Britain's Beppler and Jacobson has made a large investment in a spa resort in Kolasin.


Tourism has been on the rise in Montenegro. [Getty Images]

Nevertheless, the Montenegrin government has continued to seek something bigger from the West. The United States has sent the odd warship calling on Montenegro but has provided surprisingly little foreign investment. Montenegrins likely hope that NATO membership and a possible fast track to the EU will give them more leverage to attract western capital and reduce the dependency on Russia.

It now appears that big investment has finally arrived. A deal has been concluded with Peter Munk, one of Canada's leading industrialists and the chairman of the world's largest gold producer, Barrick Gold. Munk also owns a piece of TriGranit Development Corporation in Budapest. TriGranit has already established itself as the region's leading developer, with successful projects completed or on the go in Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Slovenia, Romania and Russia. TriGranit also has future development plans in Montenegro.

In late October, Munk concluded talks with the government on the purchase of a former shipbuilding and naval yard once controlled by the Yugoslav Army, at a superb location on Kotor Bay with easy access to a nearby airport. The deal paves the way for developing a major marina in the coastal town of Tivat.

Munk notes that the investment has huge transformative potential and that his plans are not typical. "It is not a factory changing hands. We are establishing a brand new industry which will enable Montenegro to be competitive with the most successful yacht harbors on the Mediterranean," he says.


Tivat is the site of new redevelopment plans. [AFP]

The level of investment in international tourism will create enormous potential for people in the region, Munk adds. For Montenegro, sources inside and outside the government say, Munk's investment is more than just another tourist project. It is the first substantial investment from the West and one that should act as a catalyst for more of the same.

Munk plans to totally redevelop a 24-hectare site into the largest luxury yacht marina on the eastern Mediterranean with over 700 berths. It is expected to attract a high-end clientele and this is in line with some of the general trends in Montenegro's tourism strategy. The investment will bring massive infrastructure improvements. In essence, a whole new Tivat will emerge over the next three years. The first stage of the investment is $150m, with a total cost of $500m once the project is complete.

The first big step is to get Tivat's environmental house in order. Years of shipbuilding and military activity have left a deep imprint on Kotor Bay. In co-operation with the EBRD and the World Bank, an environmental cleanup will start.

Robert C Austin teaches the politics and history of Southeastern Europe at the Munk Centre for International Studies at the University of Toronto.

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November 29 2006, 9:08 PM 

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Dukljanin:
"Duklja was city and area of ilirian tribe DOCLEATI.
Later it was STATE, kingdom.
Look older historical maps.
Imperator Diocletian was from DIOCLEA area.

Grifon is big liar."

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Oooo' I seee... oooo', yes, yes... of course... So - let me get it staight - you are talking in the name of Crnogoracs, yet you are a f***ing Ilirian - m.f. Albanian! OOooo' I seeeee, everything is so logical all of the sudden, yes, silly me!

If you're a f***ken Albanian then say so; if your oppinion is that 'Montenegro' is not the same as 'Crna Gora' - so these are two completely different nations - one Albaninan the other Slav; then why don't you say so instead of pretending that you are Crnogorac - why don't you write in Albanian then you crazy m.f.!!

Or are you just a dumb fool who actualy is of Slav origin but is consumed in this Independent State Monenegro cr** - what independence!?!? If bloody Rome didn't uphold Montenegro ('Montenegro', not 'Crna Gora'!!!) during Otoman rule - yeah sure they could have independence by themselves (even the greater nations fell, and even greater had problems with them). And who brought Islam on us? Rome! Same dirty Rome. And who reduced your precious Iliria to rubble and ashes? ROME AGAIN!
So stop being a crazy fool and start thinking with your own head instead of letting it be controuled by bloody hegemonial ideologies!

 
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November 29 2006, 9:34 PM 

*Could Montenegro become the next Monaco?*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 
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November 30 2006, 6:51 AM 

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Krajnje je jasno da su Srbi narod patoloskih psihopata koji lazu sami sebe da su pobijedili na Kosovu,a redom poklani bili,da je kraljevic Marko bio najveci borac protiv Turaka,a kraljevic Marko bio turski vezir,da su "pravoslavci" branili "krscansku Evropu" ,a ti isti "pravoslavci" za Turke ratovali 500 godina.U tu svrhu kao najbolji primjer treba uzeti "Bitku kod Nikopolja" koja se odigrala sedam godina poslije Kosovske bitke...Sa jedne strane krscanska evropska vojska,a sa druge Turci i Srbi.

 
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