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Sd.Kfz. 247B - the quick build that wasn't...

April 13 2011 at 11:03 PM

Jim Blackwell  (Login jim_blackwell)
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After some time out of the hobby I decided I'd ease back in gently with a quick, simple, build and thought Sovereign's resin and white metal 247B (4 Rad) would be ideal. I've always had a soft spot for this critter, and having built one 12 odd years ago I was aware of most of its dimensional and detail shortcomings even back then, but was still happy just to slap it together as a weekend slammer for old times sake regardless...famous last words...
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Over the last decade I've collected quite a few 'new' shots of this quite elusive vehicle which have surfaced in books and from online sources clearly showing a lot more missing features and details no doubt unknown at the time this kit was originally mastered - perhaps 15-20 odd years ago now? So what started out as a simple OOB build soon became a spot the difference exercise and dragged on for a fair bit longer as quite a few changes were incorporated along the way to sharpen it up.

For its age the kit is really rather nicely done on a lot of levels, being simply designed and very well cast and one of the few, if not the only game in town for this variant? However as we were aware even at the time it was released, it is a bit of an amalgam of a few known vehicles, yet doesn't really represent any one example terribly accurately. Each 247B was a unique creature in its own right and no two seem to ever have the same fit-out or stowage arrangements. So its a bit of a shame so many choices were made for us in the kit, but gleaning details from very limited sources ultimately led to a bit of a compromised bastard-child or as the saying goes "a camel is a horse designed by committee".

So the moulded on tarp, fender bin and closed doors and visors etc. are both a blessing and a curse. Blessing in that it allows a quick assembly with no fiddly detail or interior to worry about, yet curse as conversely it can only ever be represented completely buttoned up and many interesting shots show it otherwise and subsequently crew and stowage options are thus limited making modelling a particular vehicle off a photo almost impossible.

So that being said there are some serious issues too tricky to bother changing without major surgery like the tarp, visors, and some of the dimensions and angles etc., yet a few that can be with surprisingly little work if you are prepared to turn a blind eye here and there and cut a few corners for an improved look.

First up in the latter category is the front nose plate which is really out of whack. Lack of info at the time no doubt led to a very simplified and wrongly shaped front end which newer photos really highlight. The kit depicts it like this with no detail and odd angles and a 222-223-style brush guard hiding the box chassis frame:
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The easy fix I used to get around it was to just leave off the white-metal guard and then just stick a new .10 thou plate over the nose from the top edge to the bottom edge of the chassis on a new angle with a few Grandt Line rivets and strip details. Not perfect but close enough to capturing its more snub-nosed appearance even if the proportions of the whole nose and bonnet itself sadly sit a bit too low;
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(I would love to know the purpose of the horizontal bracket with the 2 keyhole mounting points if anyone knows for sure?)

Next big one is the front triangular driver's exit hatch on the RHS which we now know doesn't actually exist with only the 2 larger double doors behind it being the one point of entry and exit on that side;
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Rather than trying to grind the hinge and hatch detail off, the easy fix was to just trim off the hinge plates and then add a guestimated large Germanic-style styrene stowage bin to simply cover it up;
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Another issue is the mirrored hatch on the other side that IS supposed to be there, isn't actually symetrically triangular as moulded, but has a flat bottom to it, so again a simple stick on .10 thou facade fix was used;
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The central stowage box supplied in the kit oddly has a flat roof and more evenly spaced drawers so it was replaced a little more accurately in card too;
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Next up the roof opening sadly doesn't have a crescent shaped rear edge as moulded but a square one which can be added with a crescent shaped slice off a larger circular piece of .30 thou card;
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Lastly a couple of miscellaneous details amongst others - the missing fuel filler port on the RHS rear of the hull was added;
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and the raised bolt guards around the wheel nuts from curled .10 thou strip notched after attaching along with a tyre valve stem added into a drilled hole;
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So I'm on the home straight now and will probably do it as the LAH one crossing he train tracks in Ukraine mid '43 despite the tarp being different - so if anyone has anything I've missed or even more ref photos of them they would be willing to share before the paint goes on I'd be very grateful indeed.

James



    
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Sam Dwyer
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168.140.181.4

Very Tidy!

April 14 2011, 10:17 AM 

Hi Jim,

very tidy work as usual on the 247.

Hopefully you finishing this kit will prompt Bronco or Tristar to release one in plastic!

So now that youre back in the game, are you going to paint it?

Cheers

Sam

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Jim Blackwell
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Yes mate - paint is on the cards for this one... ;-)

April 14 2011, 11:20 PM 

I realise I've become a chronic "master of the half-starter" over the last decade but am honestly just waiting on a figure to arrive to pose/grind down to fit in the small opening and I'll dust off the old airbrush again and have a go - I promise!
JB


    
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Rob Fraser
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Looking Good

April 15 2011, 10:29 AM 

Nice work, and a good tutorial, what is the LAH paint scheme you propose?

Any pics to share?

RF


 
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Jim Blackwell
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Ref Pics

April 17 2011, 1:43 PM 

Hi Rob - I'll base it on the well known shot of the one from SS.Pz.AA.1 from 1.SS crossing rail lines in the Ukraine Mid 43 and accompaying colour artwork from the Old Squad-Sig "SS Armor" softcover showing a grey base coat with yellow disruptive overspray:

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While the tarp isn't a match, nor the closed visors its perhaps one of the few shots I can use the Sovereign kit for matching most other obvious features. There are no shots to date of the RHS of this vehicle which is handy so the kits moulded-on rear fender bin and my new front one can't be disproven (well, yet anyway...).

Steve Ballantyne has been very helpful throughout the build and from his strength reports incl. chassis no.s from mid 43, "LAH" appear to have had two 247Bs on hand. So perhaps this other one seen with Kurt Meyer onboard the previous year near Stalino is that second one (rather than mine from the other side)? The memorial name just visible is to crewman "Erich Petersilie" (one of 7 driver's Meyer had die alongside him during the war...a job not too many were keen for I'm guessing...). This shot of it also gave me the idea for the MG mount on the roof top;

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Anthony Sheedy
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Re: Sd.Kfz. 247B - the quick build that wasn't...

April 16 2011, 1:32 PM 

Good to see you finally back in the game, dude.

Hope we'll see some paint on this shortly.

Sheeds.





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Steve Ballantyne
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Division Stab

April 17 2011, 7:51 PM 

Hi Jim,

Looking really good, the front end is a great solution to a shocking kit.

Just a note, the one seen in the Ukraine June 1943, near Belgorod I believe, is from the Division Stab, not from the AA. The divisional pennant on the left rear mudguard confirms this. There would be a painted version on the front plate, like in the de Meyer front-on shot.

Get that paint out!

Cheers
Steve


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Jim Blackwell
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Sorry Steve - of course it is a Stabs vehicle not an AA...

April 19 2011, 12:49 AM 

Paint is just on hold until the proposed crew figs arrive hopefully in the next few days and I see if there is anymore grinding away of the tarp required to wedge them in before it gets sprayed.

Thanks again for all your input - I'm still weighing up whether I can be bothered ditching the dubious truck style rear tow pintle for scratching up Horch style one...I fear apathy is setting in though...

JB


    
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abbaca
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Replica 1:1

April 18 2011, 7:43 AM 

hi

The first right at the front of the vehicle model. Congratulations

Original foto:
http://batakhk.webnode.cz/fotogalerie/originaly/

replica 247
http://batakhk.webnode.cz/fotogalerie/replica-1-1/

sorry my google translator lang happy.gif

bye

Petr

 
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Jim Blackwell
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Fantastic 247 Ref. Site Petr!

April 19 2011, 12:52 AM 

Thank you very much for the link Petr - very good collection of 247B pics and about 6 I hadn't seen before which is always a buzz.

I'll send you an e-mail with some more shots that I have that aren't on the site if you would like to add them?

Thanks again.

Jim

 
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Jim Blackwell
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Found some pics of my old 247B from the late 1990s for a laugh

April 22 2011, 5:13 PM 

Again due to the lack of refs at the time I had very little idea of the "more major" shortcomings when I did this one back then only the smaller detail ones so it was really only tweaked out of the boxer. Sadly the real shots of Heinz Harmel's 247 "Bussard" of 3.SS hadn't surfaced then either, so I based it loosely on this murky SS one at Kursk and guess-timated it as a 3.SS one...which it probably now isn't in hindsight most likely being one from 2.SS;

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Rob Fraser
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Still a good model and figs but..

April 22 2011, 6:59 PM 

The 1:1 scale dust needs toning down!

Rob

 


 
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Jim Blackwell
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Added 100x 247B WWII Reference Pics to Photobucket

May 1 2011, 12:50 PM 

These are all the shots I've collected and bought over the years for anyone else into this vehicle. If you have any I don't, I would love to hear from you!

http://s854.photobucket.com/albums/ab104/jim_blackwell/AFV%20Reference%20Pics/SdKfz%20247B/?start=all

 
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Ray Blythe.
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Stunning...

May 16 2011, 4:36 PM 

Jimbo,
Great to see you back in the game and firing on all cylinders!
Your mods are excellent..and lend new life to a good but flawed kit(Great for its day considering the info available).

Get some paint on it..
Best.
R.

 
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roy chow
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Nice work

January 25 2012, 2:55 AM 

hi James: I didn't know some of the things you've discovered since I built mine a few years ago. One thing I definitely changed were the ficticious driver's klappes. Much of the S2k's offerings are direct copies of the re-enactors' interpretation of the SdKfz 247B. Keep up the great work.

Roy Chow
AMPS President
http://www.amps-armor.org

 
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