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Falling out on a Circle and sitting a bouncy trot

February 3 2004 at 10:41 PM
 

 
Hello, My name is Caroline and I have a 16.2hh, 4 year old Oldenburg gelding who I am planning on competing in dressage once he is schooled up. Ebony hasn’t been broken in long and is still very green. I have a couple of queries for you, if you don’t mind, that I have discovered even this early on in our training!

Falling out on a circle - Ebony falls out as he goes round a circle. I don’t really notice it in walk, but he certainly does it in trot and canter. I ride four diamond points, turn him off the outside aids and try not to do anything with my inside rein as I ride my circles. (I say about the inside rein as I have to confess to a very bad habit of fish hooking with my inside hand if not careful, and due to Eb’s very soft mouth if I do that he tilts his head in and really bends his neck in and falls out even more! – I am having lessons, and will get out of this bad habit as soon as I can!) Can you give me any suggestions on how to ride my circles better so I don’t make him fall out? Are there any exercises we can practice to overcome this problem.

Sitting to a bouncy trot - I find Ebony’s trot very bouncy. One of the reasons I brought him was because of his lovely expressive trot, however he was unbroken at the time and so I never tried it! I realize he is bouncy due to his expressive action, and that all Warmbloods would be bouncy when compared with my previous horse’s action - Irish Draft X Thoroughbred. Could you please give me some ideas of how to improve my seat and sit correctly to his trot. I notice the top dressage riders, riding big Warmbloods don’t bounce – mind letting me in on the secret??!! (I used to think I had an independent seat from my hands, as on Merlin I didn’t move in the saddle as we trotted about the ring. However Ebony has proved me wrong!) How can I get my independent seat back? I don’t do much sitting trot on Ebony as I have heard its best not to on a young horse – besides it’s so uncomfortable! – but I do a little, otherwise I will never improve! And when I do I tend to do so without stirrups as I find I bounce less like that. (But please don’t tell me to practice without a saddle, I will if that’s the only way, but he’s being a bit hypo at the moment – change in the weather I think – and so would probably have me off!)

Thanks for you help
Caroline.

 
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Baby schooling

February 10 2004, 11:33 PM 

First of all, congratulations! It sounds as if you have a lovely young horse with free swinging paces.

As you say yourself, your horse is just broken in and still very green. He ought to be. He is only 4 years old. Still a baby. He will need about 3 more years to fully mature. That's physical maturity - mental maturity should follow that.....
Establishing your horse "in the basics" is your most important goal (right next to having a lot of fun TOGETHER - him too)

Falling out on a circle -
Yes, circle work is important - however, be sure you don't forget to get rhythm, relaxation, contact and impulsion first. With this you can ask for "straightness" (this is what you are after: Straightness on a circle, - a line where his hindlegs follow the path of the frontlegs)

Your horse must be going forward with relaxed and powerful strides first which you than guide into a circle by gently indicating the direction with your inside rein (take and give), allowing but guarding with your outside rein.
Remember that you merely "indicate and guide" with your reins. The main initiator to turn, however, is your body: Utilize your upper body by bringing your inside shoulder back which will also influence your pelvis/hip/leg position. The moment you only try to turn the horse's head and neck without also RIDING the turn yourself, you will make your horse fall out or become crooked elsewhere. In other words: Turn your horse onto the circle by using your whole "body attitude" to ride the circle not just the reins. And also remember that riding a perfect circle is a pretty difficult exercise for a young horse that is just establishing his basics and re-establishing his balance under a rider.

To help him by riding from point-to point is a good idea - but instead of four points, make it eight. Your horse (and you) will find it easier to stay balanced.

Never forget the training scale:
Rhythm - Relaxation - Contact - Impulsion - Straightness - Collection

Your circle work falls under "straightness" (as in "hind legs follow path of front legs"). See how important each step is in order to achieve the next?

And now we come to....
Sitting to a bouncy trot -
Since he is such a young horse and still needs to develop his carrying power and strength, I would not do too much sitting trot work yet. (But you know that)
Your problem is to sit to his trot, which is "bouncy" as you say.
A big, bouncy trot can become even harder to sit if the horse is not swinging over the back.
Re-read the training scale above and analyse if you have your horse working in a nice even rhythm, relaxing into a soft even contact? Is he happy to stretch down and out (long and low)? Do you feel he is picking you up, or is he hollowing under you - or just stiff?

If he is a big moving horse with a swinging back, your goal is to stay relaxed and soft as well.
This is not easy as "self-preservation" makes us to "resist" in order to absorb shock. But that also makes us stiff. And something stiff on something swingy will bounce off.....
So your aim is
a) to make sure your horse's back is not tense (see training scale)..... get him going relaxed, loose, and supple.
b) if a) is ok. and horse is swinging over the back, you need to relax and go with him with a supple, soft but toned body. Allow it to happen. Swing with him. Try not to "save" yourself, as you will automatically resist the movement..... which results in boucing...

To learn how "to let go" sometimes needs a little help: If your saddle has D rings, attach a small loop of bale twine as a so called "monkey grip". When practising your sitting trot, you can hook into the loop with your little fingers and help your body to learn to relax as you draw yourself into the saddle.

Longe lessons, no stirrups, developing your core-strength, breathing exercises..... all this will help you to get a better seat. Watching good riders and analysing the biomechanics also helps.

Good luck and happy training and riding.
(Don't forget to have some fun.... and make your training sessions interesting, so they never become boring work sessions...... -
C.









 
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Caroline&Ebony

Re: Baby schooling

February 16 2004, 9:26 PM 

Thankyou for your help and advice!!

I tried the 8 points on my circle and that helped a lot! He was so much more balanced! Thankyou!!

Ok, I won't worry any more about getting the perfect circle, I'll give the poor horse a chance!!! I can see from the training scale we are no where near ready for perfect circles! I shall concentrate on him going forward, being totally relaxed, suppling him up etc as you have suggested instead.

And the little bit of bale twine helped me sit much better to Eb's trot, I felt much more secure. Thanks, I'll keep practing with that when we do our tiny bit of sitting trot.

Thanks again for your help!
Kind Regards
Caroline
(And Ebony says a very big thankyou too!)


 
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