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Ellis: Liviing Water Machine

October 7 2001 at 5:57 PM
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Rovneyko 

 
I own a Living Water Machine from inventor John Ellis and have spoken to him on a few occasions and might be able to answer some questions. I found this site by accident and I'm not sure if it's still active but I have an interest in pure water treatment methods and machines available to consumers. So if anyone wants to talk, drop me an email.

 
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harold good

living water machine

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November 4 2001, 3:52 PM 

I'm very interested in knowing the results with your Living Water machine. I had seen it on various websites, then today saw a full page add in te Washington Times Weekend Edition.

I'd appreciate if you could email me with how you feel it is benefiting you. It surprises me to hear them say that regular distillers are no good!

Thanks,

harold

 
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Galen Fitzgerald

Living Water Machine

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January 18 2002, 12:18 PM 

I have read some ads and claims for the Living Water Machine and it all sounds to good to be true. Any info on your experience with the machine would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Galen Fitzgerald

 
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ROVNEYKO

regarding living water machine

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January 28 2002, 10:27 AM 

Hello,
I live in New Jersey and grew up right in the middle of what is now known as the "cancer cluster" in Toms River.

I started a website which basically is going to
make the machine available to people in my area since
the machine is hard to come by and tricky to service.
Also it will give people a chance to see it in action. You can read my account on my website www.sciencewater.com Soon I will be showing it in action and showing the results of my tests and experiments with plant growth.

Now, as far as what I've come to find out....

I received a bunch of interesting promotional material
when I first bought the machine about 5 years ago and
a lot of it seemed far fetched. As I used the
machine, and learned about testing water for purity
etc, I started to authenticate a lot of the claims.

Water distillers are not patentable. This machine has
several patents. Checking the patents online proved
that the machine does what John Ellis told me it did
as far as the methods. Then came the purity claims.
The literature came with signed certificates from EPA
approved labs showing actual machine tests in real
world conditions beating out more expensive distillers
from Corning and Durastil. I also called Better
Business before ordering from the company and they had
no complaints on file. I bought a couple of handheld
conductivity meters by Hanna, to test dissolved solids
and began doing my own tests. My tap water has an
average of 125ppm total solids and after being through
the machine it read 0 on one meter, so I had to use
the other meter which tests ultra pure water and it
read 0.2 ppm. consistantly! I am currently in contact
with a research chemist who uses this same machine and
I hope to find out how to authenticate some of the
energizing claims that also come with this machine.
This chemist has used the water from this machine to
grow HUGE vegetables and various plants.

Then there's the tests I just can't explain. My mom
who is recovering from cancer uses this water, since I
bring it to her in 7 gallon glass bottles every two
weeks! She notices a huge difference over her filtered
water and can feel the difference and see it in her
skin tone. She has given it to friends without
telling them the source and they comment on the "good
water." My sister's baby never drinks water at his
house and he was over my moms asking to refill his
glass three times. ( ironically, I just read that
babies, and fresh fruits and vegetables have the
largest amount of structured water.) Adults have to
replenish their supply from fresh fruits and vegetables and properly structured water I suppose.

I took in two abandoned kittens,
started them on healthy cat food I order on the
internet and of course the water I make at home. Both
kittens and my wife's cat drink more water then ever
now. And they are thriving without any health issues. In fact I can yell "WATER" before filling
their bowl and my one kitten will run to the bowl
every time to get to it first. I swear I'm going to
video that. All three cats drink this water aggressively and in a taste test along side a bowl of New Jersey tap water, my one cat drank the living water and began to clean his paws with the tap. Strange but true.

Lately I've been getting responses from my wife's
clients (she's a certified massage therapist
www.ahmassage.com) and so far it's all been highly
positive. What's interesting is that the comments are
not just "hmmm tastes good" it's more like "wow, this
is really good water." I also tested the water from a
spa where my wife works and the "pure" water they sell
has more dissolved solids in it then the water I can
make. All solids wont hurt you, but I just don't feel
good about seeing more of them in my drinking water.
As for any bacteria that can survive the boiling point
(which there are types of bacteria doing just that)
this machine uses an autoclaving approach. The two
industrial strengh heaters come out of the water three
times a minute frying anything that could possible
survive boiling. I happen to like that feature.
Ordinary distillers are under tremendous steam
pressure and you have "blow over" causing you to end
up drinking what you were trying to remove. This
doesn't happen with the Living Water Machine.

John Ellis has newer variations of his invention. Over
the years it went from ...Wonder Water, to The Living
Water Machine, Electron 3, Electron 4. The Electron 3
is a Living Water Machine with an ozone bulb which is
reported to help those who use oxygen for therapy.
It's reported that the water from that machine can
bring oxygen levels in people higher as proven by
oximeter tests. The Electron 4 uses a quartz crystal
of some sort and I am just starting to learn what that
could be all about. I still have a lot of verifying
to do, but it's like a hobby. And besides, no one
really knows everything about the amazing properties
of water.

My honest impression is that John Ellis is an inventor
who has legitimately come up with a device that does
some amazing things. Claims he's made seemed alien to
me a few years ago, but have since either checked out
or made sense as I study unrelated published articles
in scientific studies, as well as basic principles.
He has interesting qualifications such as having an
engineering degree in steam plant design, so it's safe
to assume he knows a little bit about his products.
He's 70 years old now and still answers his own phone
when you call and will explain his procedures to you
if you are interested and I would guess at this point
if all this was a bunch of hype, he'd be shut down.

I hope this gives you more info. I would be interested in seeing any ads that are in the news papers since I have never seen them.
Also, if you notice on the websites that sell the
machine that all the language sounds the same, it's
because it's copied word for word from the original
literature that Ellis sends out with his machines. I
have basically the same thing on my site but I try not
to copy it word for word. It's all done with the
permission of John Ellis since he allows his dealers
to use all the literature. As for me, I am just
getting it together to make people in my area aware of
this machine and since I have been using it for about 5 years, I know how it comes apart, cleans etc.

Feel free to ask any more questions you may have. I'm
more interested in discussing and comparing thoughts
and seeing people get an explanation as well as
restore their health then I am in selling something.

Regards,

David

website: www.sciencewater.com



 
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Kevin

Liveing Water machine

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February 4 2003, 8:57 PM 

Hi, I have been looking into John Ellis' Living water machine myself. I don't have any scientific info but it seems to me to be the best of the bunch. I am interested in the effects it has on plants, all the info says it great, but can you adjust the Ph without taking away the benefits of the "energy" that has been put into it? Any Info you could provide about this would be greatly appreciated.

Also I tried to go to your website, WWW.Waterscience.com but could not connect, Is it there?

Thanks,

Kevin


 
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earlh

Side Effects

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October 20 2003, 7:33 AM 

I bought a gallon of this water to try it for my self. While the water definitely tasted better than my Big Berkley filtered water, I am still not sure one gallon of water could convince me to spend $1500 to $1700 on a machine to produce it. I do have some questions regarding this water. My wife tried some of this water and she started breaking out in a rash on her legs and arms. Not a bad rash like poison oak but there was some irritation and itchiness. Could it be a coincidence? Is she having a reaction to the water in a good way or a bad way? Could the water actually be cleaning out toxins in her body? Do you have any insights on her reactions to the water?

Thanks for any information you may have.

Earl

 
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Bryan

side effects question...your wife's rash

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November 13 2003, 11:06 PM 

I was just thumbing through as I contemplate buying one of these machines. I think I have an answer about the rash. Just as MSM or Niacin can cause the skin to rash due to increased cell membraine permiability, then this water (if it does indeed pass more easily through cell membranes) may have jump started the process of flushing toxins from cells that had been building up there. So long as it doesn't worsen and goes away in a week, I think this is an indication of a good thing. I am supremely interested in buying one of these, but wold really like some more info. Can you email me about your experience with the machine to date and let me know what results you have seen?


Sincerely,

Bryan Lambert
Director of Channel Sales,
Reallinx, Inc.
www.reallinx.com
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Echelon II, suite 320
Austin, TX 78759
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Fax: 512-233-2422
Mobile: 512-297-9546

 
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Dennis Overton

Living Water Machine

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January 25 2002, 9:18 AM 

Thank you for offering to share your experience using John Ellis' Living Water Machine.

I am seriously considering buying one; however, it would be of great benefit to understand what the benefits are from someone that has used it.

Please describe the benefits you have received so far.

If you would like, I have some links to other water type products that I will email to you.

Thanks in advance!

Dennis Overton

 
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ROVNEYKO

regarding the living water machine

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January 28 2002, 10:31 AM 

Hello,
I live in New Jersey and grew up right in the middle of what is now known as the "cancer cluster" in Toms River.

I started a website which basically is going to
make the machine available to people in my area since
the machine is hard to come by and tricky to service.
Also it will give people a chance to see it in action. You can read my account on my website www.sciencewater.com Soon I will be showing it in action and showing the results of my tests and experiments with plant growth.

Now, as far as what I've come to find out....

I received a bunch of interesting promotional material
when I first bought the machine about 5 years ago and
a lot of it seemed far fetched. As I used the
machine, and learned about testing water for purity
etc, I started to authenticate a lot of the claims.

Water distillers are not patentable. This machine has
several patents. Checking the patents online proved
that the machine does what John Ellis told me it did
as far as the methods. Then came the purity claims.
The literature came with signed certificates from EPA
approved labs showing actual machine tests in real
world conditions beating out more expensive distillers
from Corning and Durastil. I also called Better
Business before ordering from the company and they had
no complaints on file. I bought a couple of handheld
conductivity meters by Hanna, to test dissolved solids
and began doing my own tests. My tap water has an
average of 125ppm total solids and after being through
the machine it read 0 on one meter, so I had to use
the other meter which tests ultra pure water and it
read 0.2 ppm. consistantly! I am currently in contact
with a research chemist who uses this same machine and
I hope to find out how to authenticate some of the
energizing claims that also come with this machine.
This chemist has used the water from this machine to
grow HUGE vegetables and various plants.

Then there's the tests I just can't explain. My mom
who is recovering from cancer uses this water, since I
bring it to her in 7 gallon glass bottles every two
weeks! She notices a huge difference over her filtered
water and can feel the difference and see it in her
skin tone. She has given it to friends without
telling them the source and they comment on the "good
water." My sister's baby never drinks water at his
house and he was over my moms asking to refill his
glass three times. ( ironically, I just read that
babies, and fresh fruits and vegetables have the
largest amount of structured water.) Adults have to
replenish their supply from fresh fruits and vegetables and properly structured water I suppose.

I took in two abandoned kittens,
started them on healthy cat food I order on the
internet and of course the water I make at home. Both
kittens and my wife's cat drink more water then ever
now. And they are thriving without any health issues. In fact I can yell "WATER" before filling
their bowl and my one kitten will run to the bowl
every time to get to it first. I swear I'm going to
video that. All three cats drink this water aggressively and in a taste test along side a bowl of New Jersey tap water, my one cat drank the living water and began to clean his paws with the tap. Strange but true.

Lately I've been getting responses from my wife's
clients (she's a certified massage therapist
www.ahmassage.com) and so far it's all been highly
positive. What's interesting is that the comments are
not just "hmmm tastes good" it's more like "wow, this
is really good water." I also tested the water from a
spa where my wife works and the "pure" water they sell
has more dissolved solids in it then the water I can
make. All solids wont hurt you, but I just don't feel
good about seeing more of them in my drinking water.
As for any bacteria that can survive the boiling point
(which there are types of bacteria doing just that)
this machine uses an autoclaving approach. The two
industrial strengh heaters come out of the water three
times a minute frying anything that could possible
survive boiling. I happen to like that feature.
Ordinary distillers are under tremendous steam
pressure and you have "blow over" causing you to end
up drinking what you were trying to remove. This
doesn't happen with the Living Water Machine.

John Ellis has newer variations of his invention. Over
the years it went from ...Wonder Water, to The Living
Water Machine, Electron 3, Electron 4. The Electron 3
is a Living Water Machine with an ozone bulb which is
reported to help those who use oxygen for therapy.
It's reported that the water from that machine can
bring oxygen levels in people higher as proven by
oximeter tests. The Electron 4 uses a quartz crystal
of some sort and I am just starting to learn what that
could be all about. I still have a lot of verifying
to do, but it's like a hobby. And besides, no one
really knows everything about the amazing properties
of water.

My honest impression is that John Ellis is an inventor
who has legitimately come up with a device that does
some amazing things. Claims he's made seemed alien to
me a few years ago, but have since either checked out
or made sense as I study unrelated published articles
in scientific studies, as well as basic principles.
He has interesting qualifications such as having an
engineering degree in steam plant design, so it's safe
to assume he knows a little bit about his products.
He's 70 years old now and still answers his own phone
when you call and will explain his procedures to you
if you are interested and I would guess at this point
if all this was a bunch of hype, he'd be shut down.

I hope this gives you more info. I would be interested in seeing any ads that are in the news papers since I have never seen them.
Also, if you notice on the websites that sell the
machine that all the language sounds the same, it's
because it's copied word for word from the original
literature that Ellis sends out with his machines. I
have basically the same thing on my site but I try not
to copy it word for word. It's all done with the
permission of John Ellis since he allows his dealers
to use all the literature. As for me, I am just
getting it together to make people in my area aware of
this machine and since I have been using it for about 5 years, I know how it comes apart, cleans etc.

Feel free to ask any more questions you may have. I'm
more interested in discussing and comparing thoughts
and seeing people get an explanation as well as
restore their health then I am in selling something.

Regards,

David

website: www.sciencewater.com



 
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Donna

Appreciate your Efforts-looking for pH tests and conductivity

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February 7 2002, 6:06 PM 

I found your observations and tests helpful. I am interested myself in the Living Water Maching and the further variations generating ozone (electron 3-4). I wish I were an expert, but I am a confused researcher. I am understanding that high frequency ozone generators product nitrogen byproducts and a positively charged ion (which is not necessarily good) and that quartz crystal ozone machines avoid this byproduct and product a negatively charged ion which has a beneficial effect (but the electron 3 is only 120 volts so I dont know that that would constitute a high frequency.

My question concerns the pH of the water produced. In a test I saw the ph was 5.7 (acid) and I am clearly getting that the body is struggling to achieve the balance of neutral (7). I am wondering if anyone has done any pH tests. In other words, with test strips, testing their pH before and after the use of the water. Drinking alkaline water raises the pH, however, with such a unique product as Mr. Ellis has created I don't want to assume that drinking his acid pH water necessarily produces an acid pH. Anyone check this out?

The other thing is conductivity, which you touched on, I have seen some tests and conductivity was reported as .10 and a competitor product .15 but I don't know if this conductivity is the "proper charge" that he is speaking of, or the energy field. So I am just at a loss, but anyone having any info on this, or any tests you have done would certainly be further appreciated. It's a complicating subject, but a vital one I believe. Thanks for your efforts.

 
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rovneyko

PH level and more tests

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February 11 2002, 10:01 AM 

Hi Donna,

I read your post and here is what I know regarding your comments. I, too, am a confused researcher when it comes to all of this and that's half the fun. As far as I'm concerned the "Experts" are from traditional science and alternative science. And they are both at odds. Good luck finding open minded, unbiased opinions. But they do exist!

As far as the ozone is concerned, I think that the bulb that's in the boiling chamber of the machine is there to help purify the water. The machine that I have (The Living Water Machine) doesn't have this but it has an activated charcoal filter which, believe it or not, when I opened it after 2 years of use was still as fresh looking as the day I bought it...no scale build up or anything else unusual in there.
So I was at least confident the machine was removing stuff before it got to that filter.

If the ozone bulb is producing positive ions and the quartz counteracts that, the only way I guess you can really tell is to measure it somehow...but that's the thing....How? To authenticate the level of ions, you would need a quality ion meter ( $700 ) And there's always the question of how does the human body react regardless of the presence or absence of a particular ion, or particular level of oxygen. Traditional science and alternative science are completely at odds regarding all of this. I have no experience with the ozone/quartz water machines...but I do know that those machines no longer use the stainless steel activated carbon filters, so I am assuming that the ozone could be a way of purifying the water more efficiently. I'm not sure how you could check quartz's ability to counteract positive ions with negative, and for that matter how to authenticate it's worth either way, but I am looking into how quartz crystal has been used in drinking water over the years so maybe I'll learn something about that.

I have tested the water machine's PH. I used an Oaktron handheld PH tester and my tap water was about 8.0 and the water that came through the machine was 6.7 . I haven't checked it in awhile, but I do remember those numbers from when I did test it a few months ago.

As far as conductivity, I start out with tap water reading 120 parts per million. The very first pint out of the machine is about 0.8 ppm. Last week I decided to experiment and I took off the post carbon filter to recondition it. So I was running the machine without the carbon filter and got a consistent reading of 0.12 ppm. So it is definately taking out a whole lot of something. Now, the interesting part is that this water is still biologically active. I put a few soybeans in a bowl with only this water and they starting sprouting and growing like crazy. Apple seeds too. I am still working on more controlled side by side studies. But how do I know it has the "proper charge" as you ask? Well that's where it goes beyond what I can test. But the real question is what good can properly charged water do? Can it energize people, pets, plants? How can that energy be measured? The second you start getting into authenticating water's energy and how to measure it, you will always start an argument between traditional science and alternative. I just got a letter from Dr. Keith Thomson who was kind enough to answer some of these questions from a traditional science point of view. And if you or anyone else is interested in reading it, just email me and I will copy it and email it to you. The best I can personally do, is test for purity, and PH with equiptment I can afford and verify tests from reputable labs (at the manufacturers expense) As far as energy....my feeling at this point is controlled testing with plants and seeds which are known for pronounced root and stem growth.

Hope some of this helps....

David

 
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b reimer

living water

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July 10 2003, 4:02 PM 

Sir:

I recently found the ellis website and must say i don't know what I think of it. If it so good why are more people using it and know about it.

Do you believe that it really works as good as mr. ellis states...

thanks

 
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Wade Bruntjen

Request for more information

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October 27 2003, 11:21 PM 

Hello David.
My name is Wade Bruntjen and I live in Calgary. I have recently discovered a fascination for the possible health benifits of structured water. If possible I would appreciate a copy of the responses you obtained from Dr. Kieth Thomson.
Thank you for any help you can provide.

Wade

 
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Drovn

regarding copies of emails

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November 12 2003, 11:04 AM 

Wade,

email me direct..I can send you info

rovneyko@yahoo.com

 
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Carmelo

Re: regarding copies of emails

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August 15 2005, 6:55 AM 

Hi,
saw your responce to info regarding living machine, if you still have the info I would like a copy.

Thanks

Carmelo

 
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Carmelo Robles

Letter

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August 15 2005, 6:49 AM 

Hi,
Sorry if it looks like after such a long time someone would be interesting in the letter from Dr Keith Thomson if you still have it I would like a copy. I just ordered the living water machine electron 4 and any information would help.

Thanks

Carmelo

 
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Dave

John Ellis livig water machine

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July 30 2003, 10:39 PM 

Greetings,

I have been reading alot about the electron 4 living water machine. It seems at the very least it delivers clean distilled water.

If the machine does all the other stuff it claims to do then it will be truly amazing.

How is your Health? You have have been drinking the water for 5 years now.

How difficult is the machine to operate and maintain? what are your expereinces with the older model? Any problems or things people should know about?

You can email me at dascolli@aristotle.net

Thank you for your time,

Dave Scolli

 
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Jeanette

Answers?

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December 21 2003, 7:37 PM 

Am looking for any additional information on the Ellis water machine as we would like to order if IF we can find favorable info from people who has used the machine.

Thanks and Merry Christmas!

Jeanette

 
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Barry Barnes

Ellis water machine

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February 1 2003, 2:43 PM 

I am very interested in finding out more about this machine. Please email me.
Thanks,
Barry

 
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buck reimer

info on living water

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July 10 2003, 3:57 PM 

please send me information on this machine. can you get a gallon from some where to test the water????

thanks

 
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