Hamilton red wings

I would guess 60 - 70% of Tier 2 Junior A are daddy owned teams

When their kids turn 20 they sell to the next guy...and so on

Someone list please how many teams owners have or had kids playing

It would be easier to list the 5 teams that don't have parent owners.

No Parent Owner teams

Huntsville (this could change)
Cobourg
Wellington
Kingston
Oakville
Burlington
Lindsay
Peterborough
North York
Vaughan
Jr. Canadiens
Orangeville (formally Villinova)
Whitby (although dad owns a small piece)
Stouffville

These are the ones I know (more than half), so the common conclusion that most are daddy owned is incorrect, we think that because those situations tend to be really ugly.

Jr. Canadiens??? Friedman owns the team pal!

Better check Burlington's Board of Command and you'll see which of their kids are playing on the team. It's been likened to having nearly half dozen owners.

Same with North York, board members kids.

Burlington new coach has kid on the team and Vaughan owner has goalie on the team

scratch these 2 off this list above

Burlington kid was on team last year before his dad got the team this year. Owner has no ties to kids on the team.

Burlington is not "Community Based" It is run by 3 parent/s whose kids are/were on the team. The Wave Rinks is the controlling body. Just ask ex coaches who did not want to be "Yes men"

Georgetown parent owned

Burlington has a 94 conacher moving up next year.

Whatever... Oakville has an owner of a 95 who will be playing there next year. Not sure anyone cares but if you are going to talk about parent owners.... at least be honest about who the parent owner are and what players benefit from it.

Zero parent owners in Oakville. Someone with bad information.

Go to school best bet in the long run.

Friedman doesnt play on the Cdns

played for Georgetown and is off to school next year.

Being on a board does not constitute ownership, the thread stated Parents owned teams.

GM of Oakville controls team. NO parent will control this team.

Someone has to own the team and very few make money. Difference is Oak/Burl/GT have usually always been some of the best examples of good JR A orgs that place a lot of kids with their OHL clubs or NCAA.

Friedman doesnt play on the Cdns played for Georgetown and is off to school next year.
Being on a board does not constitute ownership, the thread stated Parents owned teams.

****

Obviously you don't know much. Take your foot out of your mouth before you lecture anyone.

No, Jr Can. the son will be plaing next year, won't be going to school until the following year.

As well, Newmarket Hurricanes, parent owner, kid is a 95 player.

he was traded to Georgetown last year.

Oakville GM's kid already went through system

11:34 he was lent to Georgetown for the playoff run.

the jr. can. owners kids is now back with the jr. can.

Sounds like a lot of liars out there. Why so secretive?

There is an Oakkille 95 parent who bought in this year.

Rule has been changed going forward...not grandfathered...if you own a team your kid cant play on it,
bout time!

they will put ownership in friend/family name..........won't change!

May 26 2011, 4:00 PM


Burlington kid was on team last year before his dad got the team this year. Owner has no ties to kids on the team.


Dad/coach is employed by management group that operates team. He was team GM prior to kid being on team.

jackson and Crema in Markam. Vaughan was to have two kids on team now just one.

So the new list looks a little shorter than before...

Huntsville (this could change)
Cobourg
Wellington
Kingston
Lindsay
Peterborough
Orangeville (formally Villinova)
Whitby (although dad owns a small piece)
Stouffville

Looks like every single team near the city is Daddy owned...

I beleive Mississauga Chargers is non-daddy unless Mr. Stockley has grand-children playing.

Fear not people! Ownership will turn to sponsorship with the biggest sponsor getting what he wants. There will be two 16 year old cards up for sale.

3:27PM is correct since we're talking about the difference between no spot on a team to being at the front of the line. If you had the big bucks you'd be tempted to do it as well. Future will be sponsorship since it's been going on for years and OJHL is trying to close the doors on ownership to try and shed the terrible current state of parent ownership and very low perception of the entire league as a result. That's why you'll never see Michigan State or BU or other ultra top D1 schools in the local Tier II league scouting.

"That's why you'll never see Michigan State or BU or other ultra top D1 schools in the local Tier II league scouting."

Wrong. Those schools and most D1 schools come up all the time. They just have to spread themselves around every other league too. Some schools have areas that they see more often because they are close or they have better success at drawing players away from the CHL but they come up to Toronto for a few other things and throw in games while they are here.

lots of top notch schools are regulars at Tier II games, that is an ill founded blanket statement

From the Ottawa area, these teams are not parent owned:

Pembroke
Cumberland
Carleton Place
Cornwall
Hawkesbury
Ottawa Junior Sens
Gloucester
Brockville
Smiths Falls

leaving only 3 teams owned by parents:

Kemptville
Kanata
Nepean

Sorry spoke to BU and they do NOT have an interest in the OJHL period! They like the BCHL flat out and if you look at their roster they have several BCHL players!!

How much is the average Jr. A team worth? Asides from the big markets that sell out (ie Pembroke) I cant imagine many of them make much money

most lose money. Money guys get parents to pay if they want a spot

10:03 That is true and that is why parents own these teams beyond the fact that their kid gets to play. It isn't exactly a money maker! Lucky to break even in most markets.

Average cost of a Junior A team anywhere between $150,000 - $200,000.

Not a lot for a rich man and if the team is losing money a nice tax write off.

tax right off is 28% discount. not a huge discount and its not as easy to right it off as you might think.

Don't forget that a team will show an inflated loss to maximize tax savings plus pocket whatever they can get away with.

how is that different then any other business, still subject to both audit and detection risk.

all self employed individuals do the exact same thing.

All these teams get rich suckers to pay the bill in cash. PAPA LEAGUE.

and who else do want to own a team that isn't going to make a profit!

The papa teams are not great as far as an enviroment goes but they are much better than the cheapskate owner enviroments. Take a look at Mississauga and Milton for the most disgusting enviroments in the entire league.

"tax right off is 28% discount. not a huge discount and its not as easy to right it off as you might think."

Honestly, how can anyone take this post seriously?

write off?

"tax right off is 28% discount. not a huge discount and its not as easy to right it off as you might think."

Honestly, how can anyone take this post seriously?

Allow me to explain, then perhaps you might be able to take the post seriously. You pump $100,000 into the team, you will need to do it through your business, treat it as a promotional/sponsorship expense. Therefore your business takes a deduction when calculating taxable income for the LEGIT business. The corporate tax rate for a company with a permenant establishment in Ontario for 2011 is 28.50%. Hence the discount. In other words, your tax benefit is equal to the tax saved. Do you really think a 100k write off results in a 100k tax savings.

Perhaps you should have thought through the comment before you blabbed away.

The money that is saved through tax strategies is significant plus the cash that is collected through rookie camps, sponsorship, fundraisers, gate fees, 50/50 draws, player fees, and on and on... that is pocketted and never claimed is significant as well.

There are afew owners that are in it to make a buck and you can't blame them but those clubs are the ones that you don't want to play for.... a daddy owner is much preferred to that.

It is so bad that they do not want to make the playoffs because of the additional cost. Look no further that Mississauga and Milton for proof positive. talk to any player on either team and you will know the cold hard facts.

"Take a look at Mississauga and Milton for the most disgusting enviroments in the entire league."

nope. the most disgusting enviroment award belongs to the St. Mike's Buzzers.

owner's kid didn't belong on the team but still made it this season. this after league followers & fans expected the dad to do the honourable thing and put the kid in midget for at least a year.

somehow this 16 year old who was unnoticeable (outside of his name) gets a scholarship to Cornell at the end of the season. no doubt a kickback for his dad's team hosting the NCAA Summit and moving a lot kids to college.

a storied franchise falls in the gutter with the rest. at the end of the day money makes the world go round. you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

The Waxer Jr. A team is owned by Jackson & Crema.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/10/sports/hockey/10hockey.html?_r=1

just play for fun to much bulls@# in this hockey i give up not bringing my son to any of this we have better things to do then compete with these rich idiots.

playing tier 2 jr just supports the rich for their interests

Hyman kids both got scholorships thats it i quit hockey won`t find me watching NHL games either it`s all b!@#$hit bunch of goofs

many kids and their parents are getting conned to pay for a dream that they won't realize. they'll watch wide eyed as someone less talented connected to the owner, manager, coach, sponsor bypasses them. this crooked dirty league is undeserving of these kids. very sad.

5:22 Well said.

Average parent has already invested 100 grand. So why stop now, once the league runs out of daddys then the league dies. Whats another 40 grand to watch the owners kid go Div. 1!

Nobody is paying 40 grand .. not even close ... you might at the very worst pay 2 - 3 grand. If you want to buy a spot for your kid I guess you can pay whatever you want... Everybody pays the $750 to the league.

I think he means 100 grand invested in your kids hockey so far

I was only pointing out that your only funding the owners kids to div. 1. 40 grand is the interest you would have made through smart investment. Hyman pays all his bills through his investment in the gthl. His friends all run these slimey teams. Attract the rich parents and have the last laugh!

good point

Hyman and Friedman...what is the connection.

What is the the name of Stu's Vending machines?

Be ready for this in Jr A & OHL many kids and their parents are getting conned to pay for a dream that they won't realize. they'll watch wide eyed as someone less talented connected to the owner, manager, coach, sponsor bypasses them. this crooked dirty league is undeserving of these kids. very sad.

Welcome to Planet Earth............

I deal with a company owner who by-passed 7 or 8 experienced, qualified people to hire his idiot Son to run a sales department. So yes, life isn’t fair.

I do not have a problem with someone buying a team and putting their son on it. If they spend the money then they desrve to do what they want with the team.

If the kid is not a very good player it makes it tougher to approve but it is still the owners right to do what he wants.

Not true since parents that buy teams make sure their kids play PP, PK, 5 on 3, 3 on 5, Start the game and end the game. They play whether they're going or not and they can't be coached properly by the coaching staff who are more worried about losing their jobs then trying to correct the kid. I've watched it for years and it single-handedly ruined the league. Parents should be out or the league will continue to be looked upon poorly and that has ruined many kids' NCAA options. Best Tier 2 league is BCHL and that's where I'd send my kid but they don't tend to like taking outsiders.

4:00, facts and the truth and are not welcome on this site.

Watch Hamilton next year, has been Gong Show for past 3 years. Phamtom points here we come in 11/12 for owners son. Hasn't done nothing for two years and now has a commitment to Michigan. I guess only the rich can buy every-thing they want right up to the NHL level. Never seen it this corrupt in twenty five years of watching junior hockey!

MF-94 kid father BF----rangers/cdns/titans gong show kid hooking up with milton....geeze

What are you trying to say... speak english.

FACT! $25,000 to a Major club JUST to draft a kid so he has OHL on his resume!
FACT! $10,000 SPONSORSHIP for a kid to sit on junior a bench and get the jacket to wear to school!

ALL THE TIME FOLKS, ALL THE TIME!

I have no idea what hes saying either lol

Hey dude... Fact ... most Junior A teams do not have team jackets.

JEALOUS F'S

Very good thread until the conspiry theorist got in the middle of it.

There are legitamate teams and there are "waste of time" teams as well.

Rather than speaking to the general manager or the coach about the organization you need to obtain references from players past and present. They will be able to give you a good idea about what you are getting into. The team staff will also give you information but it might not always be the truth. Some managers tell the truth and other wouldn't know the truth if it smacked them up side the head.

only daddy sons to the next level...get it right! Sign a cheque and it gets done real quick.... you can go almost anywhere for a 100 grand deposit. Ask Michigan, they have now taken the money guru of Toronto.

I guess you are the one who feels the world is against them.... the sky is falling... the sky is falling... run for your life.

Do your homework.. make an informed decision on wether or not you are comfortable with the situation o the team .. sign if are satisfied and do not sign if you are not.

Either way stop your belly-aching. Like they say if you make the bed you have to sleep in it.

I think Stuey H should stay off this site. Not a very nice person!

I'm not sure if you thinking I am Stuey H is a compliment or not ...

I have my opinions but more importantly I am aware of the realities and try to make decisions based on them.

I taught Michigan was the best and most honest ah well guess not.

Michigan also leaned over and took Lindsay Sparks - father is an exec at Microsoft.

Methinks the UM hockey program is starting to sink to the depths of their football program.

UM used to get some of the top 3-4 Jr.A/B. players from Ontario every year.

Not so much now...

Buy your way into Div.1 with money. Buy a NHL spot on a roster wont happen....dream your way to the top. Next is a movie with the starring roles the H family. Reality stars in the making...resumes both impressive with the help of Daddy. And i forgot buy a scouting service to influence people!! Makes you wonder what life skills are been taught these days... Mr. H the sky is falling in your direction.

Lindsay Sparks Career NCAA games played.

2009-10 GP 23 4 4 8 16 -

2010-11 GP 17 4 2 6 8

I predict Hyman will fail at the NCAA level.Once he can't keep up Red will sit him.Then the kid will whine like a little baby and daddy will do as always....$ manipulate $.Michigan's program to me is very embarrassing.First Sparks now Hyman?The younger Hyman is not even a Jr C level player.Michigan's recruiter should be investigated as rumors of $$$$$$$ monkey business going on!
So much for the kids that deserved to be at that level.First Mr H is rumored to manipulate a NHL scout to get sonny on the list, then not rated high enough he buys ISS Scouting move his son up to the 2nd round (as a result all employe's quit on Hyman at ISS) .NHL scouting responds by taking the kid off the list completely.Rumors have Daddy H then gets Grandpa H to buy the Florida Panthers (just a portion at this point but will buy it all once the kid does not make the cut).The kid travels to the draft without even being on the list and gets drafted in the 5th round.(Wonder at what $$$ price $$$$).Daddy H is rumored to be telling everyone prior to the draft that Sonny H is going in the 5th round to the Panthers.So the answer to your comment above poster.YES YOU CAN BUY YOUR WAY INTO THE NHL.Once thing for sure though,if Daddy does get sonny H onto the NHL ice it will only be a matter of time before the legitimate NHL'rs push Hyman out as he will look worse than a fish out of water and with his slow feet will get hammered.I wonder how he will manipulate his phantom points at the higher levels like he did at the OJHL.


Ps: Maybe rumors have Sparks & Hyman buying a NHL team together.

H next move is NHL team they won`t quit like that by now... will do anything step and on whoever comes his way, shame on Michigan some parents just take their kids out of hockey when they hear stuff like that.the talent is watering down so these kids can play hockey shame on you...

i was a sucker that was on team he took money from to pay for his sons team i`m not impresse ...

Buy your way into Div.1 with money from parents of minor hockey kids.

In hockey, corruption and nepotism are rampant. The kids of the "old boys" get a lot more chances than the kids of outsiders. It may not make those connected kids into NHL players, but the frustration of watching kids who contribute less get more back from the team can cause the outsider kids to quit the sport.

When you see all these Parent owners it is no wonder why fewer kids get schollys.

Get to BC as fast as you can.

The H dad is the worst offender of fair play. Phamtom points and friends sons coming to play makes the team game impossible to watch. Then in the gthl slimey friends run his teams with so many deals attached to them your kid has no chance of getting out of the system! How a below average player receives a Div.1 deal blows my mind. There is no team game when kids are not been allowed to develop in the sport of fair play!!!

Are you really that naive to believe the Panthers never scouted him, or that Hyman has the kind of dough that would get him past the front door of the most powerful hockey league in the world?
Wake up - if your kid is any good, someone will spot him.

Like Stus second kid??

LMAO. Michigan has become a joke.

all teams need big money...let them take on these fools...there is still an entire roster to fill...hopefully with some talent.

He finances his Jr. A team by been a silent partner in 3 gthl teams. Parents are stupid for not realizing he is making money off a non-profit gthl. Another Conrad Black in my eyes. Steals money from the unsuspecting, innocent parents who have no clue the silent partner is Mr. SH himself. Threatens lawsuits on Network54 operators over peoples opinions. In my mind both sons are average players with a ego ridden father dangling money to Div. 1 schools. Princeton was a smoke screen with money exchanging hands. Phamtom points by the bush load to attract the suckers to his older boy! Been around hockey along time and never seen such self promotion by anyone. You can only go so far with a greasey father at the wheels.Only word to describe the father is disfunctional!! How bout the 10 year-old tournament he ran that rewarded the winning team money. Never forget listening on the radio defending his actions and BM mocking him. What kind of role model for kids in hockey!!

Have you actually seen his older boy play. I sincerley doubt it because if you had you wouldn't spew the bullshit that comes out of your mouth.

It is possible that the deal with Michigan included some sort of special consideration for the second son but the oldest deserved the scholarship and maybe Michigan wanted him bad enough to take the other son as well.

The older player is ok, no where near what MU used to stand for in terms of talent

How would you explain Stu's second son?

For those that don't know the NCAA have what are called walk ons.......meaning they pay there way and may never see the ice.....watch the football movie Rudy sort of similar. Just because kids get accpeted to schools does not mean they are on full rides.

Where was the older player in the play-offs against Burlington. Watched 2 games and did not understand all the hype. Must be the father,son or even a good friend of family promoting this player on every blog site in North America. Skating will be a issue at next level and playing with-out the puck. Resumes are great on paper but performance on ice is the telling factor with out working everyone to stay at the elite level. Gthl does not produce quality players anymore. Players are been burned out early by the system. Your right sign the big cheque and put your kid in a no-win situation. Mr. H payed his wife and older son money out of his GTHL account for services renderd. Been on a non-profit payroll does not go over very well in my eyes. Kids are been forced to quit hockey early because of this scenario we are discussing! Double A coaches are now charging thousand dollars a player in Mr. h hockey system. Something is very wrong here. You tell me what is good with kids been forced to quit early and dreams been wiped out!!

What teams are owned by this self less human?

8:45, spot on. however it proves the NCAA is unscrupulous and just a business too.

To the person that blames certain individuals for the rising costs of hockey... all I have to say is PLEASE DO NOT PAY A DOUBLE A COACH ANYTHING. The problem lies with people that are dumb enough to pay the fee. The same goes for any other "for profit" fee that is paid to anyone at any level of hockey. These unsavoury asses will always be standing with their hands out and if people keep giving in them what they want they will always be there.

To 12:30 pm...AAA...RW...AA...A,P,and K. All his friends run these teams! Slimey to say the least. Payed coaches for AA teams, not all but a majority of them! Mr. H was forced to sign over the 3 AA teams to his friends. RW leased the 92 and 93 teams to him. No longer has anything to do with the RW.

aeros,bull dogs he is involved with also

he is involve in house league hockey in Scarborough he give some of that ice to rich kids for aa team skate see what he does ice for poor kids in Scarborough.Scocer also i saw him seeling pizza 4$ a piece anywhere their is a buck to make you will see Stu face.

Sonny, learn to play defence on your Daddys team(HRW). Or should i say Scott #2 son(tiger paws), You and Dave(daddy guru H on tiger paws) are quite the two-some!! Enjoy talking to your-selves on the other site, this site speaks the truth! Tee-Hee

10:31 Angry man polluting this site too. It sucks to be you angry man and your undrafted kid. The reason for the 100 post a day.

JRC will ROCK this year.

Goldberg buys Ajax, kid first line, little squirt dad and old bitch Janice run the show. Gong show Gualati should be squirming.

Will they be better this year? Is that a parent run organization? See they had a rough couple of seasons. Are they looking for new players?

To the multiple poster and #2 on your jersey. How does it feel to be part of a dysfunctional H family. Have to buy everything in life to feed your egos. How much did daddy pay for a spot on Michigan? What kind of leader are you to be calling out Mr. gibson on the other site! He was your best player last year by a mile! Daddy had to buy points for brother to reach the next level? Why not buy Network 54? Your really hurting Tonys ratings! And No.2 daddy is going to give you a number on your jersey...feel sorry for your team-mates!! Ronnie and Sharpie bought and payed for by your DADDY!!

Angry Little Tiny Man even you know you're full of shit when it comes to any truth let alone the OHL. You say every single GM and Coach wants their teams to tank so they can pick your kid next year?? Good luck! What about Kitchener or the Soo, why have they signed solid numbers in the 95's?? Let me guess ALL 20 teams are going to tank JUST SO THEY CAN SIGN YOUR KID NEXT YEAR?? You're seriously off the rails!

You have fired back every time the H family name has been mentioned. My guess is your the little brother of the phamtom king of the Red Wings. Your Daddy calls Tony all the time on Tigerpaws site to have my true opinions erased. The problem with Tony is the Devil himself is calling to complain. Try football because your big enough, your ego is too big for the other team-mates you play with. The Hamilton Red Wings are a GONG SHOW, this year will be the worst in history for deals cut!! Enjoy your icetime, in Michigan your on the reserve roster SH!! At Christmas when your team falls apart i will let all of Tigerpaws fans know why every one wants out..Have fun the rest of the summer on Network54!! How does it feel to be the son of the devil??

This is a sad time for Mich U. It shows how far their mighty program has fallen.
They can be bought!

This is another example of money and loud,fat families influencing the hockey world.
The Toronto Redwings AAA , Hamilton T2 Redwings and now the Maize and Blue. All organizations were tainted by this low-life.

Sad.

David Freidman of Jr.A Canadiens off to Nhl. L.A. Kings rookie camp!

No way Friedman is attending LA Kings Camp!

on the rookie camp roster! Go too L.A.Kings web-site. Free-Agent invitee!

maybe daddy bought team.

Rumour is Stuey Hyman father bought shares in Florida Panthers NHL team! Now this all makes sense!! Buy your way to the top!

Goldberg buys Ajax? First there is no Ajax team, so I'll assume you meant Pickering. Also, are you saying he bought in with Stein, or bought out Stein?

goldberg bought out steyn, only way to get fouth line grinder on top line.

dads have moneymost kids dont get that much better. Fact some late bloomers in bantan have grown nine inches and fifyty lbbs these kids are the ones too watch. Allthe broke rounders will die when a few of these boys become stars.Watch some kids developlate and they are the gems, look at NCAA.

there's not much to look at there. say goodbye to Hanson! next year Bozak will follow suit. can you say: stiffs?

Your team is built from the goalie and out. Last place again for Pickering, put a beach ball on the ice, only way Adam Stein stops it!! As for Trenton, will be a very interesting year to watch. If Finney cant stop pucks, will coach be fired for not putting owners kid in net! Interesting indeed!! Father and son Of H family all over Tigerpaws site. Under names Dave and Scott, #2 on this Red and White team calling out people on that site ,wonder what he does in the dressing room. Spencer stick to football, your mouth is costing Hamilton from recuiting many great players on the Mountain. Daddys team is in trouble this year, no defence at all!! Gong show is just srarting up with many players wanting out!

I think it speaks volumes when MP leaves UofM!!!!!

8:47 - Don't be an idiot. MP took a HC job after 20 years behind RB. Nothing to shocking. A great opportunity for him. How many other changes did we see in the NCAA for this season?

If the H family is paying for the education good for UM and good for the kid. Every D1 program has recruited walk on players, UM may have 25 or 26 players on there roster with 18 rides to give out. None of this won't stop RB from driving for a National Championship. You contribute or you sit. Does not matter if your a full ride kid or a walk on.

what about waxers

Waxers a gong show with rich parents controlling ice-time. Spoke to parent on last years team and money exchanged hands for ice-time. Same this year!

1:33 - your smoking crack!!!

The big guy who sucks money from you on the WAXERS and parades as the coach knows all about smoking dope! If you have $$$ he wants to speak to you! Ask Higley about last year!

9:27, I'm not 8:47 and agree with your assessment of MP. however Michigan taking on SH is a complete joke. you can't deny this is completely due to dad's money and influence.

a complete joke!

Look at the whole tier 2 Ontario scenario and it stinks of parent owned teams! Stay away if possible. All teams hide under some sneaky maneuver. Why purchase a team that will lose money? More fans at AAA games. It is not governed properly and money will dictate route of league.

Look at the Hamilton Red-Wings, team bought to promote both sons. Build both resumes, phamtom points taken away from deserving players. One player not invited to team picture last year and destroyed by agenda of owner. Ever wonder why players are leaving hockey early!. Ask for a trade and your the problem. The whole issue is why has the league allowed this to happen? Wake up everyone and realize these guys only want your money! How many parents can afford to pay for a college education when hockey is over. Answer is almost no one, it takes a least a 100 grand to play AAA hockey from the beginning to the end. Ophl and Chl you pay to play now and almost in all cases the owners kids are the only ones leaving the system.#2 on this team would not make another team in this league on his own merit! Bingo Daddy buys a spot on Michigan for both his kids and pays a scout from the NHL to draft his son. Rumour is SH father has bought 5% of this NHL team his son has been drafted too! Sickening to watch and waste of money for most! Give me a team you can trust for strictly development. Only option left is the Bchl league out in the west. A 1000 people in the stands cheering on local players who still have dreams of playing at the next level. Just something to think about!

BCHL is the model league for Tier 2 and Marty Savoy the OJHL Commissioner knows that but he doesn't want ppl to leave to go there. Problem is he hasn't addressed the issues with parent owners or sponsors/coaches/friends, etc. $750 league fee plus fundraising of usually $1000 more although $2000 in the case of some teams and add in the 'Camps' esp. Rookie ones that generate tens of thousands and you have a league that is rife with need of repair. And there's no real end in site since contracting the teams while NEVER dealing with the above leaves the situation in dire straights for the future.

Owner of Orangeville flyers last year was not far behind for the Gong Show award! Ran a parents pay me team and new coach JD gave him one right up the ass! How was Vassos allowed to buy a team in the first place $$$$$$$.

who smokews dope on waxers???/

The very best is the USHL. 16 teams with great competition. Very competitive and hard to make these teams but the coaching, fans and NCAA/NHL presence can't be matched outside the OHL.

How much do you pay?

Above average player who is recruited is payed to play in the USHL. The Waxers coach is a convicted felon, i thought coaches who have criminal records are black balled from Canadian Hockey League. Something wrong in this league don't you think! Guys run a check on this guy if you don't agree with this information. Truth....hurts!

USHL does not pay players and it does not cost anything to play. Very professional teams with solid coaching and a great fan base. Without doubt the best development league that keeps NCAA eligibility intact.

USHL teams pay players $400.00 a week. Just came back from chowder cup and my sons friend was offered that! 100% true and factual, he is considering the offer as a 20 year old! Kid players ohl hockey and will make more money in states.

Dip shit. USHL DOES NOT PAY PLAYERS. If a player takes money no more NCAA. The USHL is the main feeder to the NCAA and does not operated and a pay to play system.

you are stupid, your son is stupid and the friend is full of it.

What is the Aurora teem like? What 95's and 94's will play in Aurora this year? I would think they will be better this year.

BUDDY...8:OO and 8:OO.. you have no idea how the USHL works, money is under the table. Nobody would tell you if your getting payed to play. Get it now! Trenton last year one player got payed and the other player that was suppose to be paid left the team and did not come back. Tim Clayden is a dirt-bag liar for not been honest! Players in Tier2 get paid under the table. My son played in this league and this is common knowledge to all people in the know! Don't you think Kennedy from Kingston Vees will be paid by somebody. Trenton has lots of money to buy players this year. All vets will be looked after, thats part of the recruiting game!

What a dummy.

So the USHL is paying players. You know it so that means everyone knows it except the NCAA. Nearly 300 players committed and the NCAA ignore this major infraction? That's your knucklehead story?

Buddy, the USHL teams who have money pay players. No way of proving it. How do you recruit a highly skilled player, $$$ talks. Finally you get it! Can't tell you the name of the player, but a highly skilled player last year was paid very well to play for a USHL team. That informatiom came right right from the player recruited! The system is flawed and corrupt. How much is Finney playing his top players this year. And Dummy i know a little bit more then you! How do you think Mr. Rosen recruited all his imports $$$? Junior players from over-seas are all recruited with money, just talk to a agent from over-seas. Most OHL teams stay away from over-sea players for this reason.

Trenton, Oakville, kingston allpay players. The dads that own the teams such as Goldberg Jackson, Hyman there all in it toplay junior the whole game. USHLchamps would lose to tier two champs no doubt.

Goldberg,Jackson and Hyman have one thing in common. Signing your son to a card then making sure ice-time will be 100% given without merit to the owners kid. In simple terms they only need bodys on a hockey team. Kids get better by playing with highly skilled players who know how to play. Goldberg is not a first line player,but will be soon enough. Jackson couldn't stop a puck last year! We will see where he plays this year. Hyman has never been able be a player worth talking about. Only reason people talk about him is his Daddy is building his kids resume in front of us all. All three of these owners are on a mission to buy a div. 1 hockey scholarship in the states. Hyman has done just that! Your kids are been used as a pawn in a chess game! This site offers FREEDOM of speech, i like that!

Tier2 is corrupt!

9:58, the USHL has been paying players for years. the NCAA looks the other way just as it has and does with the OJHL.

Yep!

this is the only thread that makes sense!

lol not until the 95 Insecure bastard shows up

Trenton will be no different for JD than O'ville was last year(just more $$$$ to scam).The only person collecting $$$$$ from players/parents is JD as he did in O'ville the previous year.I heard a 92 on O'ville (the kid is brutal)that is going to Canisius payed large (20k)$$$$$$ to JD he also scammed the rest of the players with the BS of player advancement.

ps:the kid is paying full pop to attend too,old boy must have big bucks!!!

waxers will implode with mr excuses for my aa son bj..already starting be aware stay awayyyy farrr awayyyy.......mula cant stop pucks..lmao

Waxers screwed Jackson and Crema kids who are select platers will never leave the ice.This team will implode. Players are not go ing to have this kind of goalie and five three inch centre control all the ice. Joe told Jackson and Crema toplay midget and of course he got fired.

Goldberg first line player, cmon akward and the kid works hard but poor skater with little skill is a third liner as he tries hard.

does ur grandmom suck big black dicks

inappropriate

I don't know why LAMB brings up sex topics like he does except for the fact that the drugs have obviously ruined his mind!

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Kingston GM father. Not owned but no difference.

What about Buffalo? Team plays the same kids over and over and over. Ledyard gone, interim coach Certo, but some kids just keep getting ice. WTF?

Re: Parent/relations owned tier 2 Jr A teams? July 31 2011, 8:38 PM


What is the Aurora teem like? What 95's and 94's will play in Aurora this year? I would think they will be better this year.