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Outraged Greeks say Alexander not bisexual

November 21 2004 at 5:52 AM
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Outraged Greeks say Alexander not bisexual

Fri Nov 19, 5:08 PM ET

By Karolos Grohmann

ATHENS (Reuters) - A group of Greek lawyers are threatening to sue Warner Bros film studios and Oliver Stone, director of the widely anticipated film "Alexander", for suggesting Alexander the Great was bisexual.

The lawyers have already sent an extrajudicial note to the studio and director demanding they include a reference in the title credits saying his movie is a fictional tale and not based on official documents of the life of the Macedonian ruler.

"We are not saying that we are against gays but we are saying that the production company should make it clear to the audience that this film is pure fiction and not a true depiction of the life of Alexander," Yannis Varnakos, who spearheads the campaign by 25 lawyers, told Reuters on Friday.

Stone was quoted on the MSNBC.com website as telling the upcoming edition of Playboy magazine that the film's depiction of Alexander could offend some.

"We go into his bisexuality. It may offend some people, but sexuality in those days was a different thing," he was quoted as saying.

While the film starring Colin Farrell and Angelina Jolie will be released on November 24, Varnakos said he has already gathered enough information regarding the content of the movie to suggest there are "inappropriate references".

"We have not seen the film but from the information we have already there are references to his alleged homosexuality, a fact that is in no historical document or archive on Alexander," he said. "Either they make it clear that this is a work of fiction or we will take the case further."

This is not the first time Greeks have been angered by suggestions Alexander was homosexual and had affairs with young men.

Two years ago hundreds of northern Greeks from the province of Macedonia, where he was born, stormed an archaeological symposium after one speaker presented a paper on the homosexuality of Alexander. Police were called in to evacuate the participants.

One of the greatest military leaders of all time, Alexander, who was never defeated in battle, conquered about 90 percent of the then-known world before his mysterious death at the age of 32, building an empire that stretched from the Mediterranean to Afghanistan (news - web sites).

Varnakaos said as Stone has the right to freely express himself, the audience should have the right to know.

"We cannot come out and say that (former U.S.) President John F. Kennedy was a shooting guard for the Los Angeles Lakers basketball team and so Warner cannot come out and say Alexander was gay," Varnakos said.

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Movies - Reuters


New 'Alexander' Movie Under Fire for Sexual Portrait

Fri Nov 19, 6:06 PM ET

By Arthur Spiegelman

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Oliver Stone's new film about Alexander the Great depicts the king as bisexual, fueling outrage from Greeks and prompting Hollywood to ask if a world conqueror with dyed blond hair and waxed legs will be able to attract box office hordes.

One newspaper calls it a case of "Queer Eye for the Macedonian Guy." Others have speculated that Stone, always a controversial filmmaker, is taking a big risk with a $160 million epic by including scenes of passionate embrace between Alexander and his best friend Hephaestion.

The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (news - web sites) (GLAAD) says the film breaks new ground for a big budget epic because it shows Hephaestion "as the true love of Alexander's life."

A line from the film says: "Alexander was defeated only once -- by Hephaestion's thighs."

Last summer's blockbuster film "Troy," which could have portrayed Achilles and Patroclus as lovers, brushed aside any homoerotic elements to concentrate on Achilles desire for a Trojan princess.

Everyone associated with "Alexander," from Stone to star Colin Farrell, insist the film, which opens on Wednesday, is historically accurate and reflects the pagan mores of around 330 BC when the Macedonian king captured the world's mightiest empire, Persia, and pressed on to the ends of the Earth.

Farrell, in a recent interview with Reuters, said he had no problem with the role because "Oliver made the film as historically accurate as possible and ambivalent sexuality was something of the times and part of the character."

Stone said he kept the movie accurate and had an historian on the set. He added there was no question that Alexander had "a polymorphous sensuality and was an explorer in the deepest sense of the world."

British scholar Robin Lane (news) Fox, author of a biography of Alexander and historical advisor to the film, said homosexuality and bisexuality were not "issues in ancient times" and that Alexander had extensive relations with women.

But a group of angry Greek lawyers say Stone and the film's distributor Warner Bros., a unit of Time Warner Inc. , should be sued for twisting history. The lawyers said they have asked Stone and Warner Bros. to include a reference in the title credits saying the film is fictional. Spokesmen for Warner Bros. and Stone did not have any immediate comment.

"We are not saying that we are against gays, but we are saying that the production company should make it clear to the audience that this film is pure fiction and not a true depiction of the life of Alexander," Yannis Varnakos, who is spearheading the legal campaign, told Reuters in Athens.

Two years ago, hundreds of Greeks from Alexander's home turf Macedonia, stormed an archeological symposium after one speaker presented a paper on the homosexuality of Alexander.

Stone's film, which he had been trying to get on the screen for 15 years, was filmed mainly in Morocco and Thailand. The Athens News Agency said no scenes were shot in Greece because of government opposition to Stone's portrayal of the Greek hero.

Asked if he toned down scenes, Stone maintained he shot the film the way he wanted. The only overtly sexual scene in the movie is a wedding night love scene between Alexander and his wife Roxanne that starts with her putting a knife to his throat after she catches him accepting a ring from Hephaestion, who is played by Jared Leto wearing eyeliner.

 
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Re: Outraged Greeks say Alexander not bisexual

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November 24 2004, 2:42 PM 


All this stuff about ancient balkanians/haimians (ancient greeks in this case)of being gay are nothing more then rescent nordic propaganda (oldest started around 100 years ago) where they are attempting to justify existance of the very high percentage of gay population within their own countries (england has 1/4 of adults identified as gay) and perception was that ancient greeks were nordics therefore same as them. Thi propaganda really took of in the 70's.

The fact is that there was no nordics in ancient greece and ancient greeks were the same as todays Greeks antropologically speaking. Nordics do not reside in any suptropical region except in Australia (even here most are in the collest southern portions of the subcontinent) where they ahve the highest cases of skin canser in the world which explains why they do not reside in other subtropical regions.

The word Lesbian and its origin (meaning as in homosexual female tells us when it was first used as such)

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ps: In fact there is no referenced from ancient greek sources that claim anything about gayness of ancient greece in any shape or form. The fact is that to cold, simplistic and sexally insecure nordics two close friends have to be homosexual, an older man can not tutor a young body without expecting sex (this only tells us about nordic behavior patterns). To balkanian morons here considering most are antropologically speaking descendants of ancient haimians by speaking crap about ancient greeks you are in effect talking crap about yourselves (you just do not know it yet) for ancient Haimos/Balkans at that time was fully hellenistic (Illyria, Thrace, Epirus, Macedonia, Coastal Dacia and much of Anatolia indcluded.) Barbarians who invaded Haimos very few and primitive and couldnt measure up in numbers to millions of haimians who resided there but were enough to change or alter their languages. Resume your pathetic ignorance.

 
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November 26 2004, 8:49 AM 

"In fact there is no referenced from ancient greek sources that claim anything about gayness of ancient greece in any shape or form."

Actually, Plato's "Symposium" talks about gay parties (partouzes). I also watched a History Channel documentary and it showed a lot of vaze pictures with men having sex(it didn't look good,lol) Also, it said that it was common for an old mentor to have a young student as a sexual partner.

As far as Alex is concerned, when i was in highschool in Zografou Athens, they taught me he had experiences on both sides of the fence, i.e. He was bi.

 
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f.u.c.k. discovery channel

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October 25 2005, 1:24 AM 

and f.u.c.k. oliver stone. its not the nordics, Illyrius, its the jews who want to destroy any vestige of a claim that europeans have to civilization. They want to destroy everything european and also they want everything bad on the world to be blamed on europeans, example the invasion of iraq orchestrated by jew wolfowitz and company, the puppet masters of idiot bush, is orchestrated in israel. All western countries are controlled by jews, through them they controll all "civilization" they have full control of the propaganda machine of hollywood, where 80% of all staf are jews.


 
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hahahahhahaha

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March 26 2006, 9:47 AM 

that can be true that jewish have controll
and for the sexuall dependenc of alexander no one of us was there wen alexander the great was alive or not?????
sou every one can say everything abaut him byt the truth itc that he was the bigest strateg of all times he invaidet the bigest part of the civilizatet word sou naw that he is dead everyone talk b u l l s h i t c
abut it.

 
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Re: Outraged Greeks say Alexander not bisexual

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March 28 2006, 11:42 PM 

greek lawyers?? What the fvck were they going to do, sue Oliver Stone for what, they don't own the legend of Alexander like its some trademark, morons they are, I wish they did "try" and sue so that they could humiliate themselves even more, stupid pricks.

AND HE CALLED FOR HIS SHIELD-BEARERS IN THE MACEDONIAN TONGUE, WHICH WAS A SIGN OF GREAT DISTURBANCE ---- PLUTARCH, ALEXANDER, 51.


LEARN THE HISTORY YOU IDIOT greeks,

MAKEDONIJA NE E GRCKA

MAKEDONIA DEN INE ELENIKI

MACEDONIA IS NOT GREEK

 
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