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Greece needs to fully hellenize Slavomaks and Albanians

July 27 2005 at 12:56 PM
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Illyrius  (Login ilir)

Greece needs to fully hellenize Slavomaks and Albanians
by Illyrius (Solution)

That would solve the problem once and for all.

They want to be Macedonians, means they want to be greek (whether they realize it or not) -- therefore make them greek. Start with gradully educatating their youngsters through media and overall cultural influences (buy everything in RM first). Keep in mind that slavomaks are at least part greek to start with (many, in fact 1/2 of them, are Aegean Slavomak slavophones who are racially and culturally greek), their national dress is greek, their even slavophone language is influenced by greek (in pronunciation, vocabulary and even somewhat in grammar) and their culture is mainly greek (they are racially and even genetically primarily balkanic thus not slavic and therefore greek).


After 'embracing' Slavophones back to Hellenism(which should be based on ancient Hellenism rather then abrahamic christianity) then perhaps Albania (again mainly Greeks by origin) should be embraced gradually with keeping in mind that Illyrians were also Hellenic (Strabon clearly compares them to macedonians and Epirotes in (homeric-like greek) language, culture and religion) and that closest cousins to Greeks (genetically) are Albanians. Use for this many albs already there in Greece whom after being hellenized should be used to gradualy hellenize population within Albania and bring them back also to mother Greece that never ceized loving their children (regardless whether they are aware of the hellenic family kinship or not)


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Basil The Macedon
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Re: Greece needs to fully hellenize Slavomaks and Albanians

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July 27 2005, 4:25 PM 

That should be the normal ending on the chaos that exist since Ottomans left the area. Ottomans succeded in confusing so much things that today Hellenic tribes like Illirians and Slavophone Macedonians feel aliens to Hellenism and most times hate their motherland Greece. Nevertheless Jenisarism was a common practise by Ottomans. Unfortunatelly in order for that to happen needs many many years.... communism in those countries has finished what Ottomans forgot to finish. They made people in Albania waiting continuosly for a Greek attack! Only when the first immigrants came in Greece discovered that only Enver Hotza had that in mind! The same with Slavomacks. By the years and by education slowly all the Hellenic tribes, means 50% of the Balcans will discover again Hellenism. It needs time to rip of communism out of minds.

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October 25 2005, 9:39 AM 


There was slavophones as you refer to them were transformed already in the Aegean Macedonia. In 1913 when FYROM was partitioned after the Balkan wars, Greece swallowed the biggest part - 51%. So my friend, havent you done enough embracing?

So get Ready Athens, time to keep philosophising as you all did in ancient times.

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March 20 2006, 6:18 PM 

while these soldiers are alive that idea its gona be just a hellenic dream
viva USA United States of ALBANIA

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haha haha

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March 21 2006, 4:57 AM 


Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$56.5 million (FY02)


Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$5.89 billion (2004)

greece is better built better backed then any albanian army.

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May 21 2006, 2:10 PM 

u seems to be e reall **ck head

it is true that greece spend more money in army ( Eu's money anyway) than Albania, but you will never have warriors as Albania have.
Have you forgoten that the Independence War in Greece was done with Albanian warriors? Marko Bocari etj etj etj.
I hope u gona bee still alive to see when Cameria's problem ( Epirus) will start.We are getting there too.It is ours and we demand that by any means.What Greece has done to us don't you ever think that we have forgoten.
Just go to Suli or nearby villages and see what greek chauvinist has done to these people. Or to Spiro ..... ( i am not sure on his surname) that said: In Cameria even birds talk in albanian.And greeks took his eyes of and nailed them.

There are hundred thousands Cam people leaving in albania and they want to go back to their original homes where they have been there for centuries.It doesnt take us long to arme them and get them together with us and all other albanians leaving everywhere in the world and come to our homes in Cameria/Epirus
You have done a lot unjustice towards us, you who call themselves the Born of Democracy .

When i say by any means we will get that, i mean even by force.But it is in our interes to wait for a Big EU where the Albania will get there .
And the result is these lands will get together where they have been.

I have always mentioned that i don't read internet options or threads , but i do travel myself into these countries/places.

Here we go with another nervosism of greeks ( they are to scared to face the truth):


A group of researchers of the European Community visited Greece from the 4th
to the 10th of October 1987 to study the existence of the Albanian element
and the preservation of its ethnicity and language.

The trip was organized by the "European Bureau" to study the lesser-used
languages, observed by the Commission of the European Community.

Composition of the Group:
Antonio Belushi Italy
Ricardo Alvares Spain
E. Angel France
Kolom Anget Spain
Havier Boski Spain
Onom Falkona Holland
Volfgang Jeniges Belgium
Robert Marti France
Stefan Moal France
Kol O'Cinseala Ireland
Joseph San Sokasao Spain

Object of the trip:

Research in 300 Albanian communities in Greece.


To help European representatives on their visit to get in touch with the
Albanian people in Greece, who are currently speaking Albanian, which is not
taught in Greek schools.
To assess the reaction of various parties and other institutions to the
issue of protection of linguistic minorities existing in Greece, which are
not recognized at present even below a minimum criterion as is the case with
the Albanians, etc.

Views of the main parties:

The "New Democracy" Party:

We talked with Michael Papakonstantinu, Efstakios Paguhos, Nikola Martis,
Joanis Vulfefis and Kaeti Papannastasion. Here are some of their answers:

"There is no problem of Albanian language in Greece. If we put linguistic
problems on the table, we would create very great problems for the Greek
state. If the Albanian language is spoken, it is spoken only in families. No
opinion can be fully expressed on this issue. There has never been room for
the Albanians in our problems. Your mission is very delicate. Do not
complicate things. Watch out! Minority issues will lead to war in Europe. We
can in no way help at these moments. Likewise, we do not want to give the
impression of Albanian presence in Greece. This problem does not exist for

The "PASOK" Party:

Questions were addressed to Dr. Jorgos Sklavunas and Manolis Azimakis. Their

"We do not deem it necessary for the Albanian and other minorities to learn
their mother tongues because the language they speak is not a language.
There are no Albanian territories in Greece. There are only Greek
territories where Albanian may also be spoken. He who does not speak our
language does not belong to our race and our country."

The Ministry of Culture:

Having listened to the questions, Doc. Athina Sipirianti said:

"To solve a problem, you have always to set up a commission. We do not have
the possibility of dealing with the problem you are raising. Your experience
will be necessary for what we shall do in the future. Your visit is a great
stimulus to us."

The Pedagogical Department:

Dr. Trinnidafilotis' answer was very cold:

"There is no teaching of Albanian. What you are saying is a political rather
than a cultural problem. I have nothing else to add."

The Commission of the Independent Magazine Anti:


"Borders between states are not fair. This interest in minorities in Greece
can hide interests of domination by other states. Linguistic minorities,
namely, the Albanian minority, have no right whatsoever. In Greece, there
are only Greeks."

The above statements and the appeal to the Speaker of the Greek Parliament
and the party leaders are clear evidence of the presence of Albanians, Turks
and Macedonian Slavs in Greece, who still speak their mother tongues.
According to research done by scholars, there are about 700 Albanian
villages in Greece, whose Albanian ethnicity the Greeks deny. It is a
well-known fact that national minority members in Greece have all been
subject to intense, organized assimilation, which the Greeks, while ignoring
their distinct ethnicity, justify by pointing to their Orthodox religion, as
though religion were the criterion to determine one's nationality. However,
there are also Greeks who contradict the absurd claims of the Greek
authorities. In a study on the subject, Professor of International Law and
current Vice-President of the European Court of Human Rights, Christos
Rozakis, acknowledges the ethnic character of minorities in Greece.

In view of Greek domestic policies on national minorities, it is regrettable
to observe that an EU member like Greece has so far failed to be a role
model for the other Balkan countries, that its example in this area adds to
the Balkans' already tarnished image as a result of Serbia's policies, that
though a NATO member, despite the government's 'efforts' to keep a so-called
balance, Greece opposed NATO's air war against Serbia under the threadbare
pretext of its religious and traditional historical ties with the Serbs and
tacitly supported Milosevic's policy of genocide and ethnic cleansing in
Kosova. In this campaign of solidarity with Milosevic when the NATO bombing
began, even Archbishop Christodoulos of Athens hastened to join Patriarch
Alexii of Moscow, head of the Russian Orthodox Church, to call for support
for Serbia.

It is also a pity that nothing has so far changed in Greece's nationalistic
and theocratic policies since the 1944-1945 period when the Greeks were the
first in southeastern Europe after World War II to perpetrate genocide. They
massacred and ethnically cleansed Albanians from Chamouria, an
Albanian-inhabited region in the northwest of today's Greek state.

It stands to reason that their religious brethren, the Serbs, would
naturally draw on the Greek experience of the ethnic cleansing of Albanians
and extensively use it against the Kosova Albanians in the year 1999.

The way the Greeks respond to the national minority issue signifies the
existence of a strong, unhealthy nationalistic trend, raised to state policy
level, which runs counter to the general tendency in the other countries of
the European Union. The official 1951 census in Greece indicated that ethnic
minorities in the country constituted 2.6 to 3.8 per cent of the total
population. Just as in the case of other non-Greeks, the number of
Albanians, too had radically been reduced in the census. According to other
sources, there were at least as many as 350,000 Albanians at that time.
Slavic speakers in Greece today number up to 300,000 though the majority of
them had to flee during and after World War and the Civil War. Facts are
stubborn. Nevertheless, these figures that have been drastically reduced,
have always been suppressed whenever they have been brought up. Worth
mentioning are also the following facts, symptomatic of Greek intolerance in
the area of national minorities: A few years ago, death threats against
Anastasia Karakasidou, a Guggenheim Fellowship scholar at Harvard
University, first came from the Greek community in the United States and
then in Greece because she had described the presence of a Slavic speaking
Macedonian community in Greece in her book "Fields of Wheat, Hills of
Shrubs." Almost at the same time, Christos Sideropulos, leader of "the Human
Rights movement in Macedonia" faced trial on charges of "spreading false
information that might cause disturbance in the international relations of
Greece." His guilt had been a statement to the effect that the ethnic
Macedonians faced curbs on their language and culture by a state, which
denies their existence.

Though there is no denying the fact that Greece is a full-fledged member of
the European Union, its behavior, past and present, which has little to do
with Western values, is helping an increasing number of people realize that
the country is a far cry from the rest of the EU members as far as
mentality, culture, as well as religious and national tolerance are
concerned. Greece is also distinct from the other EU member countries as far
as its domestic legislation is concerned. For instance, citizenship,
ethnicity and religion are deliberately confused in Greece. The Greek
Constitution outlaws proselytism. There are also provisions, especially
Article 20 of the Greek Citizenship Law in Greece, under which sanctions,
prison terms and denial of Greek citizenship are imposed on religious
minority members, accused of involvement in so-called activities against
Hellenism. Irrespective of the fact that Greece has repealed Article 19 of
the Greek Citizenship Law under international pressure, which entitled the
government to deprive those regarded as allogenes [Greece's natives of
non-Greek origin] of Greek citizenship, it has not made the Article
retroactive in order to restore citizenship to those who have unjustly lost

Financial Times quotes Takis Michas, social affairs specialist at the Athens
daily Eleftherotypia, as saying: "Greece is an inward-looking society.
Orthodox values reinforce that mentality. Orthodoxy sees the West as a
threat, a place where conspiracies are hatched against it," a mind frame of
both Greeks and Serbs, which draws its source from the ancient split between
western and eastern Christendom. Whereas British historian Norman Davies
writes in his book "Europe A History": "From the time of the Crusades, the
Orthodox looked on the west as the source of subjugation worse than the
infidel." This mindset is made manifest in the United States, too. According
to recent news reports, Archbishop Spyridon, the head of the Greek Orthodox
Church in the United States, who has spent most of his life in Europe, has
been accused of trying to keep the church inaccessible to members who feel
more American than Greek. Spyridon, who is the first American-born leader of
the Greek Orthodox church in this country, says he works to protect the
church's Byzantine traditions, proving to be one of those Greeks who are
still living in the Byzantine empire. As Jeane Carthner of the newspaper
Liberacion points out: "A few years ago, the Greeks were enemies of the
Albanians, Macedonians and Bulgarians. They are constant enemies of the
Turks, while now they have become enemies of the Americans, the British, the
French, the Germans and the rest of the world." "The West is full of
enemies," the president of Greece, Costis Stephanopolous, has been quoted as
saying. Scholars consider such statements "a reminder of emotions that are
deeply felt in the eastern Balkans. The common link is the Orthodox
religious tradition. It is a tie that cements the alliance with Serbia ."
Such a mentality that has been conducive to national and religious bigotry
has prompted analysts to draw the logical conclusion that Greek presence in
the EU and NATO, etc. is an anomaly and a paradox. Greece continues to be an
awkward partner or indeed a black sheep in the European Union even today.
Time and again, it creates false problems for Europe with its whimsical
behavior towards its neighbors. This conclusion is not a thing of the past,
of the early 1990s, as another Greek, Loukas Tsoukalis, of the European
Institute of the London School of Economics, says.

Such being the case, it is wrong, at least in the foreseeable future, to
regard Greece as the bridge that will link the neighboring countries to
Europe. This EU member country, which regards every criticism of its
handling of domestic affairs, the minority and religious issues in
particular, as a West-inspired, hostile step to destabilize the country,
cannot play such a role unless it improves its image, which is still low by
European standards, and gives up sowing the seeds of religious and national intolerance.

Far from trying to find the culprit abroad, Greece should mend its ways at home.

Cmon now is this a lie too?
I went and i have shout myself in Suli region:Why you people are scared to talk your mother language, don't fear greeks for what you are, for who you are.And i seen in peoples eyes there , a moment of hapines but in the main time scared as well.
Is this what greeks call Democracy?

(Very soon i will made a material about Marco Bocari, the one that greeks claim is their hero .I have been to his place of birth too and what old people told me about him will be public soon on our website www.illyrians.org )


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