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On_ne_kun considers...camo color-matching of Tiger tank

July 14 2009 at 5:22 PM

On_ne_kun  (Login onnekun)
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There were the contents which attracted interest as painting consideration
of the plastic model of the tiger tank very much.

http://www.tiif.de/thread.php?threadid=124&sid=b9fb36d0167d1fbc6f302a2329e94720

On_ne_kun thinks it is the thing of the 503rd heavy tank battalion
at the time of Normandy round.

On_ne_kun tries to observe the 503rd heavy tank battalion at the time of Normandy round in 1944.

An experiment.
When we convert a color image into monochrome, how can we see it ?
[linked image]
Oh! It seems to look like three colors of camouflage color.

Mr. pole Al Darton is commented on the camouflage color of Tiger turret bin
"The base of dark yellow has been overpainted with a very dark green, almost black camouflage"

On_ne_kun cannot help but thinks that sprayed Feldgrau[RAL 6006] on a Dunkelgelb[RAL 7028] base with the air gun?
As follows, The tiger tanks that On_ne_kun think so.

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I cannot necessarily think the image of this fake color to be the fake.


I observed the image of tiger tanks at the time of 1943.
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I can think in this way.


Camouflage of tiger tanks of the 505th heavy tank battalion.
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I can think in this way.

Then Feldinand of summer, 1943
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I can think in this way.

A real such color-matching.
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The car of this side.
Sprayed Feldgrau[RAL 6006] on a Dunkelgelb[RAL 7028] base ?
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These tanks look like single color gray at a glance,
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Sprayed Feldgrau[RAL 6006] on a Braun[RAL 8020] base ?
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Sprayed Feldgrau[RAL 6006] on a Braun[RAL 8020] base ?
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Then what kind of color-matching does KT of the 505th heavy tank battalion seem to be?
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On_ne_kun delusions...


Indeed tiger of Kassel..????
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On_ne_kun delusions...

I consider the camouflage color of the pole early days of the 502nd heavy tank battalion.
Sprayed Feldgrau[RAL 6006] on a Braun[RAL 8020] base ?
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Would not there be tiger tanks a lot that
the combination of the color Dunkelgelb(Braun) and Feldgrau through World War II ?

Anyone got any thoughts?


On_ne_kun


 
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David Parker
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81.250.92.229

Colours

July 14 2009, 6:06 PM 

Interesting theory but I have some evidence that contradicts it.
Way back in Issue 1 of AFV Modeller we published an article on the 503 King Tiger that had been dug up from under a French road around 2000. The original paint was very visible as was the zimmerit - especially on the track guards and was a pea green - I saw it myself and it was very vivid - nothing like the dark green seen on the Tiger 1 bin.
I will try and get hold of a picture to show what I mean.

regards David
AFV Modeller Magazine

 
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On_ne_kun
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Re: Colours

July 14 2009, 7:45 PM 

Thank you for having you be interested in my color consideration.

I think that the King tiger of the third squadron
which appeared in the battlefield after the middle of August, 1944
uses color-matching of the general three-color camouflage.

And I think three colors camouflage of King tigers
which fought in Hungary after September, 1944.

However, as for King tiger (P) of the first squadron looking like two colors of camouflage,
gray camouflage can think to a dark yellow base.

The tiger of the 503rd heavy tank battalion of summer, 1944
thinks that there may have been the body of the different color-matching every squadron.


King tiger (P) of the first squadron
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Gelb based Grau camouflage


King tiger (P) of the third squadron
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Green based three-color camouflage


King tiger (P) of the third squadron
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Gelb based three-color camouflage

King tiger(H)in Hungary
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Gelb based three-color camouflage

????????????(^o^)?????????????

On_ne_kun


 
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David Parker
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Real King Tiger colours

July 15 2009, 11:57 AM 

Hello On ne Kun,

Here are some pictures of the recovered 503 King Tiger '124' which may be useful.
If anyone wants to see the full article with more pictures they can download it from our webshop for a small fee - the issue is long since out of print

http://shop.afvmodeller.com/customer/product.php?productid=17077&cat=327&page=1&XCARTSESSID=dcde5d7aa042597f56273f432371cc33

regards David

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On_ne_kun
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Special thanks!

July 15 2009, 1:35 PM 

However, I think the gun turret not to be the 503rd heavy tank battalion.
Because the gun turret (H) type was not assigned to the first squadron of
the 503rd heavy tank battalion at Battle of Normandy, 1944 Summer.

I think that 124 was the position of the SS101 heavy tank battalion.
I think that Tiger tanks of the SS101 heavy tank battalion position did not used gray but gelp based green and Brown.
I agree in it.

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124 that lived.
Note : SS OFFICERS VISOR CAP

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Can confirm number 124.

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124 was abandoned.

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124 was taken a ceremonial photograph with ladies after the battle.

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124 buried under the land.

And late years it is dug.
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I am very grateful to you, Mr.David.
You coped for my consideration.
You are a great friend !

On_ne_kun


 
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Liejon
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85.148.244.83

Authentic colours

July 15 2009, 6:42 PM 

It's very difficult to define colours from a b/w photograph.
Since the Germans used RAL colours for painting it's best to keep as close as possible to
the RAL colours used...and use the b/w photos for camo pattern reference only....but even that
can be difficult.

The pictures below show your first experiment....the way arround.
The Green and Red seem to be one colour.
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I can't remember the source of the pictures below, but they are of parts in their
authentic colours.
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Original paint cans, I believe they were supplied to troops in the field.

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The same photo in b/w, Yellow and Green have almost the same shade of grey.

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The colour on the top and lower center seem different....a light and dark colour.

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Panther Schurtzen. They were burried for over 60 years.
The colour in the center is the same...red.

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Same Schurtzen, notice the difference in colour....I think caused by a different camera setup.

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Dunkelgelb.

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Original oxyde red on a return roller (Pzkpfw.III or Pzkpfw.IV chassis)

I think whe all know the discussions about "what is Olive Drab".
Depending on manufacturer, and wear of the paint, colours may differ...also German paints.
WW-II colour photographs are not true to life, so I think the best reference for colours
are pictures like the ones above.

Liejon






    
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On_ne_kun
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About SS501 KT[332] colour

July 16 2009, 8:46 AM 

('-')/ Special thanks! Mr.Liejon

About SS501 KT[332] colour
Source:http://www.ss501panzer.com/Saga_of_332.htm

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The initial photos of KT[332].

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Transported the Tiger to Spa.

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Drawn on the gun turret left side"463ORDVEVAC."

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O.T.I.T. 1 was assigned to the US First Army.

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A color photo of the tank inside the Ordnance Museum has been said to show the original paint in the 1940s.
As for me, Feldgrau[RAL 6006] shows the camouflage color painted KT[332] with.
Other color photo of the gun painted with by three colors of camouflage resemble KT[332]'s color-matching.
I consider that there was the German tanks of this color-matching, during World War II.

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When KT[332] was exhibited the outdoors,repainted new three colors.
"463ORDVEVAC." and "O.T.I.T. 1" was overpainted.

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In b/w, the luminosity of two colors painted the same position in turns over.
A fact hides.
I think that only KT[332] assigned to SS501 heavy tank battalion is irregular color-matching.
I think others to be normal color-matching.
Dunkelgelb[RAL 7028] based Olivgrun[6003] Rotbraun[8017]
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On_ne_kun


 
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