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Ok, I need to be schooled on cases... 6500 vs. 6502

December 10 2011 at 7:07 PM

  (Login AurelioS)
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I know there is a very slight difference, but please 'splain it to me in simple language happy.gif

And details, too! did they come from different factories/case makers? Is there a glaring reason why a 6500 should be more valuable to a collector?


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(Login panerai4life)
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Hi A, not sure if you have ever seen this? Well just in case...

December 10 2011, 8:17 PM 

http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html

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Aurelio S.
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Yes, I've seen that when it first came out, but it doesn't really address my q's...

December 11 2011, 2:52 AM 


I'm looking for details, as to why a 6500 is more desirable happy.gif



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(Login gfriedell)
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I believe, but not 100% sure that the lug profile etc on the 6500 is >>>

December 11 2011, 4:39 AM 


the same as (or closer to) the pre-V. That's what makes the Pre-A more desirable too. Close to t a Pre-V watch but with a non-Pre-V dial and caseback.

of course desirability is always in the eye of the beholder and subject to the current trend.

I remember some folks who preferred Luminova to Tritium, the heresy of it!!! happy.gif

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(Select Login ERSanchez)
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That's easy to answer....

December 11 2011, 6:29 AM 


... why are they more desirable...because there are less of them. wink.gif

IMO, the differences between the two are hardly noticable enough to desire one over the other. In fact, other than the screw hole position, the difference on **** model is almost impossible to see clearly (between 5 people, 2 of them wouldn't see it wink.gif)

And the letters are cooler too.... 6500 vs 6502.

You see, 6500 just looks cooler. wink.gif

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(Login Mignatta)
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Re: Ok, I need to be schooled on cases... 6500 vs. 6502

December 10 2011, 8:47 PM 

What I know is that if want to find the difference I will blindfold Guillermo :-P

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(Login VolkerWiegmann)
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...that is an option for sure!

December 11 2011, 5:52 AM 

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(Login Asimut)
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There were differences in case makers

December 11 2011, 5:33 AM 

but I never found a direct link. Here are the facts I've learned,

Pre Vendom Panerai cases and watches were made by the Swiss company Montres Valgine upto the 5218-207/A inclusive. Then, the cases were contracted to the Italian company Coro while the assembly was done at another Italian company, Croem. After the Vendome takeover, Coro was contracted to produce the first Vendome cases but soon enough Coro's contract was terminated (perhaps supply or quality problems) and production of cases at Coro was ceased. Those few hundred cases (400 perhaps) made by Coro are perhaps the OP6500 ones, but not sure there is a 100% correlation. As with many things Panerai, things don't fit neatly in the drawers,,,
If you're looking for similarities between OP6500's and pre-V cases, you will have to lay your hands on some very exotic pieces, such as the 5218-209 or 5218-210 in order to make that comparison.
Regarding collectibility, it's always due to the justified or unjustified fact that someone is willing to pay more for less,,,,,,

Hope it helps,

Cheers and best from the holyland,

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(Login torromoto)
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Yessssssssss, that's more like it Asi, you are

December 11 2011, 10:00 AM 

indeed correct. The OP6500 cases were made by CORO. Due to some quality incidents Panerai (Cartier) decided to terminate their relationship. Like Asi suggested the 5218-209 and 5218-210 PreV with screw-in bars as we know them are in fact the same as the OP6500 cases used for the first PreA OP6500 series wich were indeed produced by CORO. I have been able to examine a 5218-210 from a great Italian collector and friend and (we) have come to the conclusion it is cased in a OP6500 (CORO) case. It's 100% the same WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
The differences between the OP6500 cases and OP6502 cases are minimal too some but huge if you know what to look for. I can tell either apart blindfolded. OP6500 cases have sharper edges, the lugs are a bit thicker and the crownguard is bigger also (more rounded on top as we see now on the current series and on the PreV). Basically lugs and the back of the case (not the screw in caseback) tells me all I need to know.


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Aurelio S.
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Now that's what I'm talking about... exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!!

December 11 2011, 3:24 PM 


Then a 6500 would certainly be worth a slight premium happy.gif

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(Login samrotandi)
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Good to hear about this from you Guillermo...

December 11 2011, 3:40 PM 

I actually read your old post about the difference of both cases...

Thanks for refreshing my memory about it

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(Login zameenzahari)
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Great information here. Finally in a way that's simple to understand. Thanks G & Asi>>

December 14 2011, 7:30 AM 

and Big A for asking!

 
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(Login sirjo)
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Well.....Panerai things...

December 11 2011, 4:27 PM 

have been cloacked up in Military sectrets. Almost all the documentation has been shrouded under Navy's secrets. That's why getting "real" infos isn't that easy...happy.gif One thing for sure, the difference between a Pre-V case and a Pre-A one, it's infinitesimal. I do have a 207A and a Pre-A 1/6502case and I couldn't tell them apart with an electronic microscope...happy.gif

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(Login torromoto)
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Really? if you can't tell them apart you aren't looking

December 11 2011, 4:40 PM 

The difference between a 207A PreV case and an OP6502 case are just huge.

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(Login sirjo)
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I need new glasses, then....

December 11 2011, 5:09 PM 



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(Login torromoto)
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You could also place one on top of the other,

December 11 2011, 8:03 PM 

take some pics and post them here so we can point out the obvious differences..Would be fun and informative.

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Cheers Guillermo

 
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(Login Subsubsub)
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If you don't look

December 12 2011, 11:28 AM 

at the Shape of lugs,shape of CG, crown, screws and tubes for the strap, shape of bezel.... there's no differences happy.gif

 
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Sam
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Because they're much rarer and more difficult to get.... ?? :)

December 11 2011, 10:25 AM 

And I happen to have a side by side comparison shot of both cases PreA9 OP6500 & 9A OP6502

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The most obvious difference can be seen from the lug shape..

And as this comparison is on the PVD case, the color is different, 6500 PVD appears lead pencil gray under low-light condition and appears bluish under intense-lighting.. While the 6502 PVD appears black under low-light condition and appears grayish under intense-lighting

But I really think that it is because the OP6500 is much rarer and the fact that it is basically the left-over PreV cases (5218-209/A & 5218-210/A) So that collectors feel that it is much closer to the roots

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(Login Asimut)
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Thanks for the comparison pic Sam! How about a triple one

December 11 2011, 11:25 AM 

With your new 202/A?

It will be interesting to see 3 cases from 3 different makers.

I also wouldn't categorize the OP6500 as being made from pre-V leftover cases. These cases were actually ordered by Vendom/Cartier at Coro who was the casemaker (see my post above).

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(Login samrotandi)
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Unfortunately...

December 11 2011, 3:38 PM 

I don't have the 9A with me anymore... It would be very nice to have the 3 of them together side by side for comparison... sad.gif

Well I've always thought that the PreA OP6500 case was the same with the PreV 209/A & 210/A.. As what puzzled me was how could Cartier/Vendome managed to get the case ready for production as soon as they take over the company, which was at 1997, which was also the year the PreA Panerai were produced...

But I might be wrong, as what I mentioned above was just my assumption...

Look forward to hear your words on it Asi.. Always good to learn from you

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You are not wrong Sam

December 11 2011, 3:53 PM 

just read again my post above and Guillermo's.



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(Login samrotandi)
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Thanks ASi!

December 11 2011, 3:54 PM 



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(Login samrotandi)
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However... I just take photos of a double...

December 17 2011, 3:17 PM 

My 202/A and PreA9 OP6500

Clearly we can see difference of the PVD Coating

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And here's a detailed shot of the lug and the side of the case

202/A
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and PreA9 OP6500
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And here are side by side photo

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See this detail :

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Slightly different there...



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Thanks Sam,,,,,perfect example and very obvious

December 17 2011, 3:36 PM 

Two different case makers - Valgine and Coro.

Great comparison

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(Login samrotandi)
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Hope it is useful...

December 17 2011, 3:54 PM 

Those are the only differences I could spot...

I'm sure there are more if we look through the details

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Nothing better than pics.Thanks a lot Sam!!!

December 17 2011, 4:05 PM 



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Re: However... I just take photos of a double...

December 17 2011, 4:11 PM 

Sam, i also notice width of lug it's diferent. Ain't??

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(Login samrotandi)
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They look a little bit different to me...

December 18 2011, 8:24 AM 

Probably because of the difference of the case's profile shape

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(Login sirjo)
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That's indeed a plausible scenario....:-)

December 11 2011, 4:29 PM 



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(Login Mignatta)
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From Sam's photo above

December 11 2011, 6:13 PM 

(the one showing the 2 cgs sides) is more than obvious the differences especially the lug shape and screw positioning.

Thanks Sam.. Great photos happy.gif

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Bernd
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Closer to the roots - yes ! But rarer ?

December 12 2011, 10:00 AM 

Maybe - but:

PREA OP 6500 ca. 550
PREA OP 6502 without A-Prefix ca. 450
PREA OP 6502 with A-Prefix 300

So not the rarest possibility of a PREA

Am I wrong ?

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Also seƱor SIsto .........

December 11 2011, 5:07 PM 

I think I'm right in saying that another difference between cases are.......

Pre A 4 and Pre A 9 ( PVD cases) have bare steel insertion pins in the CH protector on the 6500 cases as opposed to a PVD coated pin on the 6502 case ..... I think this is highlighted in Sams photo of the two different case above
I'm sure Mickey Rourke will slap me if I'm wrong on this though happy.gif

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(Login torromoto)
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That was so obvious I didn't bother hahaha, also

December 11 2011, 8:09 PM 

I knew you'd point that out (and I was right)...You always do...The pin seems to be your thing?

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obvious to some ...but not to others :-).....

December 11 2011, 8:41 PM 

.......and you cant feel the pin with a blind fold on your eyes happy.gif



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(Login panerai4life)
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WOW!!! This is very educational. Thank you all

December 11 2011, 6:32 PM 

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