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PAM 4A - Does this look correct?

April 12 2012 at 12:12 PM
  (Login ctomsee)
from IP address 99.145.63.153

Hello Experts. Please look at the pics below and let me know if you feel this movement looks correct for a PAM 4A. Your opinions and input are much appreciated.
Tom in Chicago
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(Login Asimut)
High Heid Yin
79.183.21.225

No good, it's fake (nt)

April 12 2012, 12:19 PM 



Cheers and best from the holyland,

~Asi~



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Matt Gross
(Login mattgross)
173.163.12.225

Looks good to me as well.

April 12 2012, 7:46 PM 

Those older Panerai movements, I've seen engraving both ways. Also, depending on how the light hits it, the engraving can look different.

 
    

(Login ctomsee)
99.145.63.153

Thanks Asi! >>>>>>

April 12 2012, 12:26 PM 

I really appreciate the quick reply. I had a feeling it was fake but I haven't seen enough "innards" to be sure. As always, your expertise and willingness to share it with the community is genuinely appreciated.
Cheers!
Tom in Chicago

 
    

(Login FivE39)
204.26.30.5

?

April 12 2012, 2:30 PM 

Asi,

Can you please shed more light on this? Is this possibly just a mismatched movement for an A-matriculated watch?

The OPI/II movement, crown, caseback and crownguard are genuine but maybe they belong to a later series watch?

 
    

tomi
(Login tomele)
81.51.144.25

Maybe ...

April 12 2012, 3:47 PM 

It' s the engraving "Panerai " which looks strange
and the orientation of the engraving and letters : 180 degrees and it would look like a genuine OP II series A .
It would be interesting to have Asi's explanations .

cheers,
Tomi

 
    

tomi
(Login tomele)
81.51.144.25

Maybe ...

April 12 2012, 3:48 PM 

It' s the engraving "Panerai " which looks strange
and the orientation of the engraving and letters : 180 degrees and it would look like a genuine OP II series A .
It would be interesting to have Asi's explanations .

cheers
tomi

 
    


(Login yuryk)
149.77.107.43

Re: PAM 4A - Does this look correct?

April 12 2012, 11:05 PM 

Incablock looks correct for Panerai. Also, most of non-custom bridge fake movements I've seen did not have an engraving on them, instead they used a stick-on. This one looks engraved...

Is there a ETA stamp under the balance wheel?

Thanks,
Yury

 
    

(Login ctomsee)
99.145.63.153

Sorry Yury >>>>

April 12 2012, 11:20 PM 

I don't have access to the watch. These are pictures I received from the seller.

 
    


(Login gfriedell)
High Heid Yin
75.72.142.107

Agree with Asi, engraving doesn't seem right to my eye. nt.

April 13 2012, 3:53 AM 



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(Login rendylatief)
115.85.66.217

Hmm, I don't know about you guys,

April 13 2012, 7:08 AM 

But From the case and the crown this watch has a regular wrist time.
I notice from the crown that it is winded regularly, because the PVD is turning grey-ish from winding.
I don't know about the movement. But a picture of the dial and case back perhaps?
I'm intrigued why Asi say the movement is fake though. happy.gif
Cheers.

 
    

(Login ctomsee)
99.145.63.153

Here are pics of the dial and caseback >>>>

April 13 2012, 7:37 AM 

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tomi
(Login tomele)
217.109.41.169

Hope these pics will help you >

April 13 2012, 9:10 AM 

1st : caseback A series op6502 Luminor Marina

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2nd: OPII A series : the engraving looks different than yours but it is very subjective.
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cheers

tomi

 
    
Bruno Zanetti
(Login b.zanetti)
125.237.186.145

The mov't is a genuine OP article, nothing to worry Tom >>

April 13 2012, 2:11 PM 

Here's a shot of PAM 2A with the case back removed.

As you can see both mov'ts are identical.

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(Login ctomsee)
99.145.63.153

I want to thank everyone >>>>

April 13 2012, 2:48 PM 

Who has commented so far. Clearly there is a difference of opinion on this watch's, or perhaps this movement's, authenticity. I want to make it clear that I have not yet purchased the watch. This is part of my "due diligence" since I do not know the seller and he is not a participant on this or other forums. These are the only pics I have and it's a shame the exposure on some of them isn't better. I wonder if part of the uncertainty here is due to poor exposure and poor focus in the images. In any case, in fairness to the seller (who is currently unaware of this post), since there appears to be at least a possibility the watch is genuine, I plan to leave the pictures up for just another day or two to see if there are other comments, then I will remove them. As for will I buy it.......I haven't decided yet, but I do appreciate all the input.
Tom in Chicago

 
    

Reynaldi Latief
(Login rendylatief)
110.138.111.247

Now in my opinion, it looks legit.

April 13 2012, 3:36 PM 

The dial is okay, the case is okay, the case back looks like it has been repolished.
The movement, I'm not quite sure, but from the comparisson it looks the same.
Just to be sure, just line up the movement number with the one in the cosc.
But if it doesnt have any, maybe a movement sticker?
If it matches, I think you are good to go..
Hope you'll find what you're looking for.
Cheers mate.

 
    

(Login ctomsee)
198.228.224.24

Unfortunately >>>>

April 13 2012, 3:55 PM 

No boxes, no papers, no sticker, no service records, nada. Obviously priced accordingly.

 
    


(Login RUpanerai)
72.236.151.5

Looks good to me Tom

April 13 2012, 4:44 PM 

If you need any help, I can snap pics of my 4A for comparison at some point.

I will also be in the Chitown area in June for my sisters graduation if you want to compare them then.

Good luck w the purchase.

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(Login RUpanerai)
72.236.151.5

The PVD is in awefully good condition

April 13 2012, 4:45 PM 

You might want to check out all the lugs to make sure they are the same before purchasing. If they are different sizes then it has most likely been re-coated.

Great example you found though.

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(Login RUpanerai)
72.236.151.5

Awfully good sorry, typo. nt

April 13 2012, 4:46 PM 



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(Login ctomsee)
99.145.63.153

Thanks Brian! >>>

April 13 2012, 6:22 PM 

Still on the fence about buying it - I do wish Asi would weigh back in on the subsequent comments and opinions...... The engraving is what caught my "untrained" eye right away because it does seem thicker than what I'm used to and a bit thicker than the pics Tomi and Bruno posted. Dang, this is a tough one because the watch can't be viewed in person and although I could ask the seller to allow me time to have it inspected at an AD and return/refund if there was a problem, I'm still putting a lot of trust in someone I don't know. So, we'll see....

Definitely hope we can connect here in June. I'm gone 6/1-4 but hopefully your visit is later. Keep in touch, buddy, as will I!

 
    

(Login b.zanetti)
125.237.186.145

The engraving looks thicker on the 4A mov't due to different exposure and shooting angle.

April 13 2012, 8:55 PM 

That's all really.

Watch is legit, all the tells lead to that statement.

However it's up to you, it's your money in the end. Just remember that with some of older historic models there are many little inconsistencies that can throw the untrained eye off.


 
    


(Login Fred_Tan)
111.65.28.14

Looks r8 to me

April 14 2012, 4:18 AM 

I think e pic is not in-focus.
Looks correct & good to me

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(Login ctomsee)
99.145.63.153

Thanks again to everyone who replied >>>>

April 14 2012, 5:23 PM 

As I said earlier, I think it's now time to close the thread. I have removed all the pictures I posted as a courtesy to the seller. I just want to repeat again what an amazing community this is and what an outstanding resource Panerai Officine is to all of us. Cheers to all!
Tom In Chicago

 
    
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