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May 31 2005 at 3:35 PM
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Lav Makedonski  (Login mak-lion)

 
Bugari, mnogu ste slusale propagandi, pa ste zapostavile na logikata.

Slovenstvoto e kultura koja se siri od jug na sever, a ne narod koj doagja od Karpatite.
Citajte gi novite dokazi i novite tolkuvanja na stari dokazi. Otvorete gi ocite, sto hellenistickiot fasizam vi gi zatvori, i ve natera vasite braka Makedonci da gi tretirate kako da se pod vas.

Slovenstvoto se oddeli od hellenizmot, koga brakata Kiril i Metodij so svoja azbuka pocnale da go sirat zborot Bozji na svoj majcin jazik za prv pat. Svetite braka od Solun go OSLOVILE svojot narod, i zatoa toj narod prv pat se narekuva Slovenski.
Napusteni "slovenski" naselbi zad Karpatite (koi bi trebalo da bidat mnogubrojni i ogromni, poradi faktot sto Slovenite bi trebalo da se naselat vo polovina Evropa vo rok od 100 godini) ne postojat.

Pred da se oddelat od Hellenisticko vlijanie, pred vremeto na nacionalni identiteti vo ranoto Hristijanstvo, pred da stanime "sloveni", zboruvavme na svoj majcin jazik, no ne znaevme da go pisuvame.

Dokazi postojat na pisani recenici i zborovi postari od 3000 godini na Balkanot, pisuvani so hellenisticki bukvi, no znacat samo nesto na "slovenski".

Suma-sumarum, pred slovensvoto bevme onie Makedonci koi sto ne go prifatija hellenstickiot nacin na zivot.
Nie sme antickite Makedonci. Tie zboruvale slicno kako i nie denes, no podocna se podelivme vo razlicni nacionalnosti.

Kolku krvno sme povrzani se ponasever od Balkanot e tesko da se kazi, no logikata veli deka Makedoncite, Bugarite i Srbite se starite anticki Makedonci.
Bugarite i Srbite stvorija kralstva, pa smenaa ime, no Makedoncite se vratija kaj svoite koreni, i ostanaa ona sto sekogas bile.
Makedonija e pocetok na sve, sakale ili ne.

 
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Re: Bugari, slusate mnogu propagandi

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May 31 2005, 4:14 PM 

Ti si vo pravo bratko, aj sega napici go istoit tekst na angelski i da mangupot Istor da te razbira!

 
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May 31 2005, 4:17 PM 


abe lavche shto si tolkova zadrasten, nikoi ne e znael kakvo e makedonec do momenta koga crkavata v makedonia i balgaria ne e stanala gracka togava garcite sa pochnali da uchat horata kakvoe makedonia i kade se namira tia v opita si da gi napraviat garci. ama che tap kartof si.
aman ot izduhani umreli veliki patrioti, kato iskash badi makedonec ama si smeshen i glupak pri tova

 
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Lav Makedonski
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Abe bugarce

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May 31 2005, 4:50 PM 

>>>>>>abe lavche shto si tolkova zadrasten, nikoi ne e znael kakvo e makedonec do momenta koga crkavata v makedonia i balgaria ne e stanala gracka togava garcite sa pochnali da uchat horata kakvoe makedonia i kade se namira tia v opita si da gi napraviat garci. ama che tap kartof si.
aman ot izduhani umreli veliki patrioti, kato iskash badi makedonec ama si smeshen i glupak pri tova<<<<<<


Abe bugarce newnov, tesko te razbiram so toj vas bugarski dijalekt.
Toa so izduvani umreni golemi patrioti go razbrav. Ke ti odgovoram.
Da, se gordeam sto sum Makedonec, pravo da ti kazam. Posle tolku gazenje na mojot narod so vekovi, tolku manipulacii megju vas (grcite, srbite i bugarite) od koi patevme i bevme ubivani najmnogu nie Makedoncite, gord sum sto opstanavme, i kako sto gledas denes, seuste postoime da ja kazuvame vistinata sto vas tamu vi ja izvrtile do dilirium.
Smesen i glup? Deka sakam da bidam ona sto nasite predci bile so vekovi? Naprotiv, smesen i glup mozi da bidi sekoj eden sto bara da se vrati ona vreme na fasizmot kade gazenjeto na drugi narodi bese sekojdnevie. Nie Makedoncite bevme gazeni i od vas bugarite, i od srbite i od grcite. Seuste go barate toa vreme.
A nie, bugarce, na zgazivme na nikogo.

 
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May 31 2005, 6:02 PM 

Alo,a lo narochno ti govorih na gradski dialekt che tvoia e dost star i go govori baba mi.

At stiga si govoril gluposti za fashizma balgarite sa mobilizirali 450 000 dushi da osvobojdavat makedonia i posle sarbia .
Ama che si glupavo makedonche

 
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May 31 2005, 6:04 PM 


makednche glupavo fashistkoto pravitelstvo v bg e sazdadeno s prevrat prez 1934
ot nacionalistite koito sa bili aktivni chlenove na VMRO


 
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Lav Makedonski
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May 31 2005, 6:31 PM 

Ee. ama tesko go razbiram toj cuden vas dijalekt. Daj probaj pisi na Makedonski da se razberime.

Te lazat, be bugarce, bugarite ne oslobodija nisto. Bugarite okupiraa vo Makedonija, i kade sto stignaa, ubivaja ako nekoj se kazuvase Makedonec. Bugarite bea okupatori vo Makedonija, kako i srbite, kako i nacistite. Isto kako grcite vo Egejska Makedonija. Bugarite kako i srbite i grcite, ubivaa Makedonski intelektualci posle Ilindenskoto vostanie poradi zelbata za Makedonska samostalnost. Megju vas se borevte srbija i grcija i bugarija, ama site vie vo nas gledavte "lozje neobrano".
Mnogu ste ja isprevrtile istorijata.

 
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May 31 2005, 6:36 PM 

OOho glupavo makedonche:)) kak vi ubivahme iteligenciata kato vsichkata vasha inteligencia jiveeshe v sofia ))

i kak nie sme bili fashisti pak vie ne ste bili kato VMRO upravlivashe balgaria i te biaha parvite nacionalisti i fashist v balgaria prez 1934 godina

glupavo makedonche:)))))

 
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Lav Makedonski
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Trvdoglavo bugarce

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June 1 2005, 9:20 AM 


Da, imase Makedonska intelegencija koja ziveese vo Solun posle stavanjeto na granicite. I tie gi ubivte.
Na krajot i posle tursko ropstvo, Makedonskata intelegencija patuvase nasekade niz Balkanot i zboruvase za mir i prava na site, i makedonci, i srbi, i bugari, i grci. Vie, kako sto rekov predhodno, gledavte vo Makedonija "lozje neobrano". Grckiot fasizam ve natera vo braka da gledate slugi.
Da, Bugarija bese okupator vo Makedonija, i bese edna od trite drzavi koi tepase i ubivase Makedonci koga se pretstavuvaa kako Makedonci. Vie velite deka oslobodvavte od srpski rezim, no postavivte svoj: nasilno menuvanje na iminja, arestiranje i ubivanje na Makedonski patrioti.
Toa Makedonci nikogas ne go pravele vo Bugarija ili Srbija.
A deka VMRO bile fasisti vo Bugarija, toa e tocno. Tuka se slozvam. Tie bea i fasisti vo Makedonija. No toa bese bugarsko VMRO, sto nemase nikakva vrska so Makedonskoto originalno VMRO koe se stremese za pravata na site, pa i Makedonskite. Bugarskoto VMRO bese za bugarsko superiornost.

 
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June 1 2005, 3:35 PM 

koe beshe makedonskoto VMRO:)) glupavo makedonche

 
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June 1 2005, 6:04 PM 

I love these West -East Bulrgarian discussions!

Istor
Macedonians were always Greeks

 
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Lav Makedonski
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Koe?!?

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June 2 2005, 11:11 AM 

Bugarce, Makedonskoto bese vistinskoto, originalnoto koe se stremese za mir megju site, pocit i razbiranje. Bugarskoto e mutant od podocna, zedno za vlast i superiorna bugarska nacija. Bugarskoto e ona sto so fasisticka agenda udre na svoite braka Makedonci. Vas sto vi kazuvaa?



Istor, Macedonian - Bulgarian discussions.
Just like Macedonian - greek discussions. You join forces when it's against Macedonians. Still in denial, but together you proove the fear of your lies to make Macedonians yours. Or?

 
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June 2 2005, 2:59 PM 

Makedonche kaji imenata na hora koi biha v tova Makedonsko VMRO, i imena na horata koito biaha v balgarskoto VMRO:)))))

 
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What do you know about him macedoncheta?

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June 2 2005, 4:16 PM 

I will help macedon4etata.

"The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization VMRO
directs its eyes neither to the West, nor to the East, nor to anywhere else; it relies primarily on its own powers, does not turn into anybody's weapon, and will not allow anybody to use its name and prestige for personal and other purposes. It has demonstrated till now and will prove in the future that it establishes its activities on the interests and works for the ideals of struggling Macedonia and the Bulgarian race."

TODOR ALEXANDROV

The Leader of the VMRO from 1911 to 1924

He was born in Novo Selo near Shtip and educated in Skopie.
He said that he was bulgarian from macedonia but nowdays macedon4eta might know better than him.



 
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To macedonians

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June 2 2005, 4:38 PM 

By the way macedon4eta do you know that according to new discoveries Adam and Eva had macedonian genes.Actually their names sound considerably slavonik.Hence all human beings have some macedonian genes and the macedonians are the beginig not only of the Slavonik people but they are the roots of all human beings in the world.Did you know that?

 
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June 2 2005, 4:44 PM 

Bugarkinka so you belive everything that is written in the bible? That is not a very scientific approach to the problem.....

 
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June 2 2005, 5:00 PM 

Of course I believe in the bible.Are you muslim?
The approach is the same as the approach of LAV MACEDONIAN's slavonik origins.

 
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June 2 2005, 5:12 PM 

Ofcourse I belive in the Bible, but I dont take everything in it litterally. That would be to narrowminded or even fundamentalistic. And neither of them are healthy for your own good.

 
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June 2 2005, 5:48 PM 

May be believing that
Dokazi postojat na pisani recenici i zborovi postari od 3000 godini na Balkanot, pisuvani so hellenisticki bukvi, no znacat samo nesto na "slovenski"

Nie sme antickite Makedonci Tie zboruvale slicno kako i nie denes

Makedoncite se vratija kaj svoite koreni, i ostanaa ona sto sekogas bile.

Makedonija e pocetok na sve, sakale ili ne.

May be these believes make you clever and help your healthy living.







 
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June 5 2005, 1:52 AM 

elena priatno mi e da vidia balgarka sas silni pozicii v nashia forum toi veche stana nash ot tolkova dalgo se podvizavame v nego

 
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June 5 2005, 5:40 PM 

Blagodaria.Radvam se ,4e imam podkrepa.:)Namiram foruma za mnogo interesen i se nadiavam da se vkliu4vam kogato imam vreme.Pozdravi.

 
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Bugarcinja, faktum

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June 10 2005, 9:16 AM 

Bugarija e Bugarija, Makedonija e Makedonija. Koj kade se rodil i kakvo mislenje ima e vazno, no povazno e da se znae deka Makedonija e samostalna a ne pod Bugarija, ni Srbija, pa ni Grcija. Delovite sto gi okupiraa vasite drzavi so mnozinsko Makedonsko naselenie mnogu vazno e za megjuseben respekt i sozivot, da bidat prifateni kako okupirani vo tie godini, za denes da mu se dade pravo na lugjeto da ziveat kako sto sakaat. Sloboda, bugarcinja, i pravda.

LinaBG, mnogu se zanesvas vo frazi i teorii za mozni citanja na istoriski fakti. Poentata so povrzuvanjeto na Makedonsyvoto so minatoto e da se pokazi istoto pravo i moznost na taa povrzanost kako sto toa go pravi Grcija denes, kade sto manipulira i lazi za nacionalisticki interesi, a insistira svetot da prifaka. Na grcite mu ja vedite glavata, prifakate dominantnost, dodeka nas Makedoncite so seta sila ni se sprotivstavuvate. Cuden fenomen.
Imalo Makedonci koi ja obozavale bugarstinata, i imale moznost politicki da go povrzuvaat toa vo turbulentnoto vreme na vojni pred 100 godini. No mnozinstvoto i togas, i pred toa, i denes znaele i znaat sto e Makedonstvoto: samostalen subjekt na Balkanot, identifikuvajki se so anticka Makedonija. Nema apsolutno nisto pogresno vo toa, vreme e i vie bugarite toa da go prifatite. Vremeto na fasizmot pomina, i treba da se zivee zaedno.

 
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June 10 2005, 10:57 AM 

Lavce,
nema nisto loso da se vikate Makedonci ama da se indetificirate s anticnite Makedonci ne e pravilno.
Stoto ako imate nesto obsto s nekoi na Balkanite tova sme nie Bulgarite.
V kulturno otnosenie drevnite Makedonci sa bili po blizo do Grcite, a v etnicesko - do Ilirite i Trakite.
Dnes v kulturno i ethnicesko otnoshenie ste nai blizo do Bulgarite ot vsicki hora/lude na celia sviat.
Ako mojes otreci go!

 
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June 10 2005, 11:00 AM 

"LinaBG, mnogu se zanesvas vo frazi i teorii za mozni citanja na istoriski fakti."
Yes mack-lion I do that cause the history is facts which you try to go around and interpret it in a different way.
And please don't speak for Bulgaria in a same way like you speak for Greece and Serbia.
(sega shte ti pisha na bulgaro-makedonski i ne se pravi che ne razbirash)
Bulgaria vinagi se e borila tsela Makedonia da bade slobodna.Serbia i Gartsia s pomoshta na velikite sili sa tezi, koito se saglasiha da razdeliat Makedonia.
Po vreme na balkanskite voini i na parvata svetovna voina pove4eto makedontsi sakali da badat edno s balgaria.No kakto znaesh balgaria zagubi, i togava pobeditelite ot voinite razdeliha Makedonia.Ako balgaria beshe pobedila togava Makedonia shteje da e tsiala.I ne samo tova ami i po vreme na vtorata svetovna voina Balgaria pak se bori za tsela Makedonia s tsenata.I ne mi kajuvaite deka balgaria okupirala Makedonia prez 2 svetovna voina poshto togava vashata dneshna Makedonia beshe pod srabska vlast.No Bulgaria pak zagubi i vie pak ostanahte pod 4ujda vlast Iugoslavia.
Sajaliavam makedontsi BG niama ve4e sili da vi zashtitava ot Srbi i Gartsi, osobeno sled kato vie pluete na BG.Kak da vi zashtetavame sreshtu gartsite kato vie ni mrazite tolkova kolkoto tiah.Kak?
I nai-nakraia Makedonia si e makedonia i az ne ia barkam s Balgaria samo me jal da gledam kak tia sarbi sa vi lagali lagali i sa vi nakarali da mrazite BG koiato nai mnogo ot vsi4ki e iskala makedonia da ostane tsiala.A sega vie se lajite sami sebe si.


 
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hei lavche procheti go i ti

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June 10 2005, 2:33 PM 

i na men mi beshe obidno kogato razbrah kakvo sa gi uchili che sme iskali da gi zavladiavame siakash i dvamata mi pradiadovci naparazno sa se bili za makedonia
naprazno sa gi raniavali, a te uj za svobodata sa se borili bolno e da znaesh che te viarvat poveche na srabski i gracki laji ot kolkoto na geroichnoto minalo na edin malak i smel narod koito sam se izpravi sreshtu vsichki i sreshtu velikite sili samo za da spasi makedonia i bratiata si.


A i nikooi ne im e kazval che prez vtorata svetovna voina 5 balgarska armia e bila izcialo ot makedonci oficeri i voinici.
Nikoi ne im e kazval che prez parvata svetovna voina ogromna chast ot sastva na armiata po makedonia sa si bili mestni makedonci.


Nikoi ne im e kazval che sa hodili chak v odrin da se biat za balgarite v odrin, vse geroiicheski i slavni sabitia s koito mogat da se gordeat vmesto tova sa im kazali kak te sa se srajavali sreshtu balgarite koeto nikoga ne e bilo

 
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xax a VMRO bulagria ;))))))

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June 10 2005, 10:17 PM 

it was originally founded in 1893 in Solun as VMRO, before that it was known was TMORO - later it was renamed into VMRO...

and later after the Ilinden uprising and the chaos in the organization it was divided on left VMRO and RIGHT VMRO...

one of it was lead by Macedonian (target independence and free Macedonian state) & the second one by the Bulgarians who tryed to convience the Macedonians that they are BUlagrians and should join the BUlgarian state and fight for Bulagrian idealism.

http://makedonija.cjb.net

 
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Inner VMRO, Outer VMRO.Is not it more correct???

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June 10 2005, 10:33 PM 

It is good when you write a "koine" language so we can communicate and l am sorry that Daskalos Ioedanis has proposed it for the benefit of Istor,but alas.....they donot obey you Daskale.So you cannot even agree we are a salad!! So if you tell us-when you find out who is closer to Adam and Eve- l will be reliefed.Filakia.

 
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June 10 2005, 11:10 PM 

I must say that this is the first smart thing I have heard you say, SALAD it is. Every nation on the Balkan is a big salad. And who is to blame? You the greek or the serbs or even the Bulgars?
No Monsieur, the whole problem lies in the occupation of most of the Balkans by the Ottoman. They saw to it, to be the salad we have today.

Progress Alex, good.

Pozdrav od Piperkata

 
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June 10 2005, 11:58 PM 

The bigest salad in these days comes from FYROM states.And the evidances are how some of them killed each other like animals.And it is not the ordinary people to blame but their authorities cause people obey authorities.
Peace on the Balkans.

 
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June 10 2005, 11:59 PM 

Gorana do you know what is TMORO?

 
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June 11 2005, 12:15 AM 

LinaBG do not try to be a smarthead or something, your country is as much a salad as the rest of the balkans. Do not try to act like the nationalistic greeks who claim to be 98% pure. You are a mix aswell. You have turks, pomaks, gypsies, gagauzes and macedonians. Did I miss any minority, vlachs maybe?

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June 11 2005, 1:18 AM 

I am not gona ask you for the bulgarian majority in RM who somehow diminished as a wind in the last decades.Now your authorities do not register even minority.And you lack your evidences and logic to explain how it comes.Did you kill them all?
But I will keep my nose out of your internal affairs if it is what you want.
So please be the smarthead to keep your nose out of Bulgarian problems.
Get me?
Peace

 
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June 11 2005, 3:41 AM 

they have not bulgarian minority because all of them must name themself macedonian imagine if is allow to name themself bulgarians only the piperkata i goranta will be macedonians all other will be bulgarians, nitkov will be semi croatian semi serb

 
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June 11 2005, 11:06 AM 

Listen all, Bulgarans and Macedonians,about Macedonian minority in Bulgaria and vice versa:

1.Bulgarian NATION consists of few ethnoses, namely:
a)Bulgarians
- Christian Bulgarians (Bulgarians proper + Macedonians + Shopi,etc.)
- Muslim Bulgarians (Pomaks)
b)Turks,
c)Roma
-Romany(Gypsie) speaking
-turkish speaking
-Vlach speaking

d)Armenians,etc.

Macedonian NATION cosists of:
a)Macedonians
-Cristian Macedonians (Macedonians proper + Bulgarians)
-Muslim Macedonians(Torbeshi)
b)Albanians
c)Vlachs
d)Roma(Gypsie)
e)Turks?

Bulgarians and Macedonians are not considered minorities because they are parts(sub-ethnoses) of Macedonian and Bulgarian ethnoses respectively. The difference is too small to be considered as a separate ethos.
People from Pirin Macedonia are regarded by Bulgarians as equal and are treated in NO way differently.I guess the same is valid for Macedonia and the people with Bulgarian self-consciousness.


 
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xaxa

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June 11 2005, 12:23 PM 

for Indiana Jones... or Dr. Jones... Go to Asia and discover some s.h.i.t. plz !!!

Different ethnoses, different language, similar culture, even with Serbia.

for bulgarian (newnov) of somethin':
We are Macedonians different from Bulgarians.

TMORO - Tajna Makedonsko-Odrinska Revolucionerna Organizacija. Kako sto se gleda vo samoto ime, nema nikakva povrzanost so Bugarija ili nekoja druga zemja.

Podocna stanuva VMRO - Vnatresna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.


podzdravi od Skopje, srceto na slobodna Makedonija.
http://makedonija.cjb.net

 
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Makedoncinja, uzivajte:)

"Âî 1893 ãîäèíà âî ãðàä Ñîëóí øåñòèìà ìàæè îñíîâóâààò ÂÌÐÎ. Íå¼çèíèòå ïðâè èäåîëîçè áåà Äàì¼àí /Äàìå/ Ãðóåâ è ä-ð Õðèñòî Òàòàð÷åâ. Ïðâîòî èìå íà Oðãàíèçàöè¼àòà áåøå „Áóãàðñêè Ìàêåäîíî-Îäðèíñêè Ðåâîëóöèîíåðíè Êîìèòåòè" /ÁÌÎÐÊ/. Óñòàâîò íà ÁÌÎÐÊ å ñîçäàäåí îä Ãåîðãè/Ãîöå/ Äåë÷åâ îä Êóêóø è îð÷å Ïåòðîâ îä Ïðèëåï.
Ñïîðåä ×ë. 2 Îðãàíèçàöè¼àòà å ðàáîòè çà ...áóäåœå ñîçíàíèåòî çà ñàìîçàøòèòà âî Áóãàðñêîòî íàñåëåíèå è ïîäãîòîâóâàœå è ïîäèãàœå íà ñåîïøòî âîñòàíèå". Ñïîðåä ×ë. 3 ÷ëåí íà ÁÌÎÐÊ ìîæå äà áèäå ñåêî¼ Áóãàðèí áåç ðàçëèêà íà ïîëîò, êî¼ íå å êîìïðîìèòèðàí ñî íèøòî íå÷åñíî è áåñêàðàêòåðíî ïðåä îïøòåñòâîòî è êî¼ âåòóâà äà áèäå ñî íåøòî ïîëåçåí íà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíîòî îñëîáîäèòåëíî äåëî..."
Ñåòî òîà ïîêàæóâà, äåêà Âíàòðåøíàòà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíà îðãàíèçàöè¼à ñå ñîçäàâà åäèíñòâåíî çà ñàìîçàøòèòà íà Áóãàðñêîòî íàñåëåíèå, à íå çà äà ñå áîðè çà íåêàêâà ñè èçìèñëåíà îä áîëíè ìîçîöè ìàêåäîíñêà íàöè¼à.
Åòå êàêî ¼à îá¼àñíóâà öåëòà íà áîðáàòà Ãîöå Äåë÷åâ âî 1901 ãîäèíà: "...Òðåáà äà ñå áîðèìå çà àâòîíîìíîñòà íà Ìàêåäàíè¼à è Îäðèíñêî, çà äà ãè çà÷óâàìå âî íèâíàòà öåëîñò, êàêî åäåí åòàï çà èäíîòî èì ïðèñîåäèíóâàœå êîí îïøòàòà Áîëãàðñêà Òàòêîâèíà".
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Sfakjas sega sto ima opsto pustava VMRO so Bugarija, a glavo drvena?

 
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Za site bugarcinja

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June 12 2005, 12:44 PM 

Vistinata e druga, bez razlika kako vi go perele mozokot vo Bugarija.
Bugarija za samostalna Makedonija bese okupator, isto kako Srbija i Grcija. Bugarija sakase Makedonija da bide cela, no da se vika Bugarija.
Bugarija sakase da go oslobodi Makedonskiot narod od srpski rezim, za da vospostavi svoj. Makedonski intelektualci, patrioti i heroi bea ubivani od bugarska vlast.
Makedonskiot jazik i bugarskiot se slicni, i imaat ist koren. No denes se razlicni, i razlicni se dvete nacii.
Makedonstvoto e pocetok na slovenstvoto, i bugarite se oddelija. Zatoa, Bugarija e kerka na Makedonija. Ne obratno.
Pricina za denesnata sostojba e sto Bugarija znaese da gi iskoristi razlikite na Grcija i Makedonija za svoja korist vo minatoto.
Koga se raboti za Makedonija, trite makedonski okupatori od minatoto se seuste sojuznici. Taa e vistinata, bez razlika kolku e bolna. Da se nadevame ke se svestime site za skoro, i ke bideme ednas zasekogas ramnopravni. Vprocem, toa i bese edinstvenoto sto Makedonskite revolucioneri go sakaa.

 
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June 12 2005, 4:38 PM 

Pak za krastavicata... Daj mi, molq te, barem edin dokaz za tvyrdeniqta si, i molq bez da vadish ot konteksta. Kak komenturash gorniq tekst? Da ne e falsifikat na bugarskata propaganda?

 
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Ne mozam da go procitam

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June 13 2005, 1:26 PM 

Ti, so glavata drvena: ne mozam da go procitam tekstot sto pocnuva so "Makedoncina, uzivajte". Napisi go na latinica, ako ne ti e maka.
Sto i da e sto ne ti e jasno, mora da ima objasnuvanje. Poleka, drz go konjot, bugarce.
Ako e povtorno protiv samostalna Makedonija, bidi siguren deka e rezultat na dobro podmackanata bugarska ili grcka antimakedonska propaganda-masina.
Kako znam? Pa eve gledas: jas sum Makedonec, ne sum bugar, ni srbin, ni grk. Kako mene ima DENES preku 4 milioni vo svetot, a sni bile i poveke. A vie uste: Makedoncite bile bugari. Srbite isto: Makedoncite se srbi. Grcite: Makedoncite se grci.
Seuste ste vo balkanska post-voena psihoza, no ne megju sebe. Sega site protiv Makedonija, deka ne ve gleda kako osloboditeli, tuku kako okupatori. Toa vi e potrebno za da go opravdate sopstveniot ekspanciozen nacionalizam od vasata istorija.
Gledame deka ve boli, deka vasata gordost dozivuva poraz, no razberete i kako mu bese na nasite dedovci i pradedovci koga gi tepavte, maltretiravte, so sila iminja mu menuvavte i nacionalen identitet, i ubivavte. Kako vie, taka i srbite i grcite. I seuste se slucuva so kradenje na istorija i menuvanje na istoriski fakti.
Site sme nie braka, slavjanite, no za zal gledate na Makedoncite brat sto treba da e podcinet. Toa e ocigledno. So grcite nemame nikoj nisto, no tie go kradat Makedostvoto i go pogrcuvaat, a vie vo procesot sakate da zemite sto se mozi. Kako dobro ne izigruva grkot: razdeli, pa vladej.
Del od naseto minato e zaednicko, bugarsko i makedonsko. No toa ne znaci vo nikoj slucaj deka Makedonija e del od Bugarija, ili kako sto uzivame da ve provocirame Bugarija e kerka na Makedonija. Denes sme samostalni i ramnopravni, i treba zaedno da ziveeme. Minatoto treba da né soedinuva, ne da né deli.



 
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June 13 2005, 1:42 PM 

Lavce, if you want to read a text in cyrillic:

View -> Encoding -> Cyrillic(Windows)


 
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Bugari, uzivajte

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June 13 2005, 3:22 PM 

Izvadok od tajna bugarska arhiva, datirano, 10 septemvri 1948:

"Doktore,
So oficijalnoto priznavanje na Makedonstvoto od strana na Titova Jugoslavija, od najgolema vaznost e Bugarija da se pretstavi kako prirodna nasocenost na sve sto e Makedonsko. Site Makedonski simboli i glasovi za samoidentifikacija, mora na sekakov nacin da se povrzuvaat kon Bugarstvoto. Se raboti za znacitelna teritorija koja mora da ostani del od Bugarija. Se raboti za idninata na Bugarija "

 
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June 13 2005, 3:32 PM 

Link?

Why the text is in modern Macedonian?

 
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June 13 2005, 4:29 PM 

Napylno sym syglasen s "Del od naseto minato e zaednicko, bugarsko i makedonsko...Denes sme samostalni i ramnopravni, i treba zaedno da ziveeme. Minatoto treba da né soedinuva, ne da né deli".
Nikyde ne sym tvyrdql, 4e imam ne6to protiv da se use6tate i marsianci, ako 6tete, nasila hubost ne stava. Tova, koeto ne haresvam, sa opitite na nqkoi makedonci da prikrivat i falshificirat istoriqta, ob6tata istoriq na horata, naselqva6ti sega RBulgariq, RMakedoniq i RGyrciq. Za6to trqbva da se za6titava i krepi bezumnata teza za "postoenjeto" na etni4eski makedonci ot pamtiveka? Kakyv e problemyt prosto da priznaete, 4e predcite vi sa se samoidentificirali kato bylgari, kakvo mu e sramnoto na tova? Nacii se syzdavat i ot splotqvaneto na po-malki narodnostni elementi i ot razedinqvaneto na ve4e sy6testvuva6ti nacii, ne razbiram kakvo vi pomaga otricanieto?
Avstriq i Germaniq naprimer si syzhitelstvat syvsem normalno, nikoj ne otri4a sy6testvuvaneto na avstrijska naciq, no i nikoj ne tvyrdi, 4e avstrijcite govorqt svoj si, avstrijski ezik, ili 4e grybnakyt na Habsburgskata imperiq sa bili ne avstrijskite nemci, a nqkakvi si padnali ot lunata avstrijci.

Kak ti hrumna, 4e "site se protiv Makedonija"? V Bylgariq pone pove4eto hora ba6 gi briga Makedoniq, ne iskat pak da se zabyrkvame v nqkoq ka6a zaradi vas.

Sklonen da se syglasq, 4e ezikyt vi VE4E dosta se e pootdale4il ot redovi bg-dialekt, syzdadena e knizhnina na nego i t.n. No za6to trqbva da bqgate ot korenite si? Ako naistina te interesuva istoriqta, to gledaj na neq kato na istoriq, gledaj dokumenti. Kojto ima o4i, 6te vidi.

P.S. tova za glavata drvena be6e predizvikano imenno ot slqpoto i s ni6to neobosnovano otri4ane na o4evidni fakti, pridruzheno otgore na tova i s obidni (navreduva4ki) kvalifikacii...

 
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June 13 2005, 4:33 PM 

A za predhozhda6tiqt tozi (mozhe bi avtenti4en) izvadok opit za nasilstvena makedonizaciq na Pirinsko ima6 slu6nato?
Da se razberem, trazim dokazi otpredi 30-ite i Kominternovskite odluki

 
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June 14 2005, 2:10 AM 

Hei Goranata,

"TMORO - Tajna Makedonsko-Odrinska Revolucionerna Organizacija. Kako sto se gleda vo samoto ime, nema nikakva povrzanost so Bugarija ili nekoja druga zemja."



Can you explain Why is Odrinska? Do you know where is odrin?

 
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Ne treba da se bega od vistinata

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June 19 2005, 8:23 PM 

>>>>Za6to trqbva da se za6titava i krepi bezumnata teza za "postoenjeto" na etni4eski makedonci ot pamtiveka? Kakyv e problemyt prosto da priznaete, 4e predcite vi sa se samoidentificirali kato bylgari, kakvo mu e sramnoto na tova?<<<<


Treba da se zastitva tezata za postoenje na etnicki Makedonci od pamtivek, i da se povtoruva, zaradi vistinata da ostani neizmenata. Makedoncite postoeja pred 3000 godini, dokazi pokazuvaat deka "slovenski" jazik bese prisuten na BAlkanot vo toa vreme (i deka doagjanje na "Sloveni" od sever e samo teorija), a drugi dokazi deka Makedoncite zboruvaa drug jazik za razlika od hellenite. Fakt e deka bugari i srbi togas ne postoeja, no samo Makedonci.
Dali razbiras sto od seto ova mozi da se zakluci?
Pred bugarite da stanat bugari, golem del od niv bile prvo Makedonci. Bugarskiot jazik e slicen na Makedonskiot zaradi faktot sto Makedonstvoto e izvorot. Sto e toa tolku sramota denesna Bugarija da si go priznae svoeto minato?
Posle neuspesnoto Ilindensko Vostanie vo 1903 godina, vo Balkanskite vojni pa se do Vtorata Svetska Vojna, bese vlijanieto na sosedite vrz Makedonija ogromno, i MAkedonija bese zrtva vo ideite na ekspanzioni nacionisticki sosedi. Imase Makedonci po rod koi otvoreno se deklariraa kako podrzuvaci na ovie idei, posebno na bugarskite, poradi bliskosta na dvete kulturi. No pred zajaknuvanjeto na Makedonskite sosedi, i pred nivnite atentati na intelektualci po rod Makedonci za samostalna Makedonija, nikoj Makedonec ne se samoidentificiral kako bugarin. Ideite na site Makedonci bea Makedonija da bidi nacionalna i Balkanski faktor, no dejstvijata na grckite, bugarskite i srpskite rezimi toa go sprecuvaa se do 1943, koga del od Makedoncite (vardarskiot del) konecno go postignaa dolgobaranoto: samostalnost. Makar i vo sklop so drugi nacii, vo togasna Jugoslavija. Vo 1991 se napravi posledniot cekor, i samostalna Makedonija e denes realnost.
Tocno e deka Makedonija uspea da se osamostali mnogu podocna od Bugarija, no ako se zboruva za koreni, mozi da se zboruva samo za Makedonstvo, a ne bugarstvo. Taka veli minatoto, i toa ne treba da pretstavuva sram za Bugarija.
Naseto minato e zaednicko, no toa bese Makedonsko. Prosto i ednostavno.

 
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June 20 2005, 1:01 AM 

Yes lavche in australia the people before to stay anglosaxon had aborigens and in usa people before to be anglosaxon had indians, is this mean that now they ara aborigens or indian.

in egypt they had egyptians now they are arabic.

and other thing, why nobody of you can not dive me answer why in TMORO(Makedono-Odrinska),obviously your peopl who created your propaganda had not perfect and miss to delete part of the true, and now you have not ready answer in your porpaganda.

give me the answer lavche

 
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June 20 2005, 1:03 AM 

why the name is TMORO

 
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June 20 2005, 4:26 AM 

I HAVE A COMPASSION FOR ELENA!!A KIND GIRLS SAYS TO U THE TRUETH!AND Y NOT!U STEALING HER HISTORY!LIKE MINE!

 
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AND BY THE WAY..

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June 20 2005, 4:30 AM 

DOC IS RIGHT FOR PIRIN MACEDONIA

 
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A name is a name

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June 20 2005, 8:46 AM 

When someone named his political movement, he thought of a name that would describe it the best way as possible. Why do you think someone is afraid of your questions?
You tell me what it is you want to state, alaborate, and then start a discution.
After listening of too much bulgarian propaganda, you now think that there has to be answers invented for every and each little detail of bulgarian lie. Knowing the truth (and admitting to yourself) that Bulgaria in the years before WW2 was just as happy to mistreat, beat Macedonians and concurre their land just as Serbia and Greece, the answers will come to you. Macedonians are the victims in the Balkan political games. They have been since the independence of a bulgarian and a greek state.

 
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June 20 2005, 9:22 AM 

Lavche we never invide Macedonia because in bulgaria came much more Macedonians then people who had lived in Macedonia, and never people from bulgaria gone to live in Macedonia.


motherland of people in macedonia had bulgaria.
Lavche in bulgaria we had not propagnda for macedonia in communist time this had frobden topic, we know the history from our great grandfathers who fought for your libiration together with your grandfather.
I have question why your communist and serbians destroyed bulgrains soldiers graves from the first world war?
you can see there MACEDONIANS soldiers who had volunteers in bulgarian army like always been.

Lavche misli lavche zashto organizaciata vi e bilaodrisnaka kakvo obshto ste imali s odrin, ako makedonska e oznachavalo nacia znachi e imalo odrinska nacia sashto da si chuval za odrinska nacia?

 
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June 21 2005, 12:57 AM 

Lavche tam li si

 
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June 22 2005, 10:57 AM 

Tuka sum, newnov. Vaka napisa:

>>>>>in bulgaria we had not propagnda for macedonia in communist time this had frobden topic, we know the history from our great grandfathers who fought for your libiration together with your grandfather.
I have question why your communist and serbians destroyed bulgrains soldiers graves from the first world war?
you can see there MACEDONIANS soldiers who had volunteers in bulgarian army like always been.

Lavche misli lavche zashto organizaciata vi e bilaodrisnaka kakvo obshto ste imali s odrin, ako makedonska e oznachavalo nacia znachi e imalo odrinska nacia sashto da si chuval za odrinska nacia?<<<<<<


I vo Makedonija bese nacionalnata propaganda zabraneta. I nie ucevme od nasite postari deka bea tepani i maltretirani od site rezimi sto pominaa niz Makedonija, i nivnite covecki prava ne bea pocituvani. Edno od niv bese pravoto za samoidentifikacija. Kako sto srbite tepaa lugje koi se narekuvaa Makedonci, taka tepaa i bugarite. Taka tepaa i grcite vo Egejska Makedonija, denesna severna Grcija.
Za krseni bugarski grobista, jas ne sum vinoven, nitu skrsiv, nitu imam zelba da krsam. No dali bilo toa rezultat na nekoja neopravdana omraza kon Bugarija, ne mozis ni ti da tvrdis. Vinovnikot ne e najden, i nikoj ne go isprasa. Mozebi bil nekoj od druga vera, pa ne znael ni kakvi grobista se, mozebi bil nekoj sto vidol golema maka vo bugarskiot rezim kade sto celo negovo semejstvo bilo ubieno. Mozebi nekoj gladen za leb poradi situacijata vo koja Makedonija bese ostavena od svoite slovenski braka srbite i bugarite koi ja silovaa Makedonija na sekoj mozen nacin, mislel ke najdi nekoja vrednost, pa krsel. Ne se znae.
Makedonski vojnici vo bugarska vojska, kolku bile dobrovolci (volonteers), nitu znaes, nitu treba da tvrdis. Brojkata ne se znae, no se znae vistinata deka vo tie rezimi ne postoese zelba, tuku samo dolznost. Vojska morase da se sluzi, bez razlika koj zakon bese sproveden vo toj moment. Srpski ili bugarski. Vistina e i kade Makedonski braka se srekavaat na front, eden vo srpska vojska, drug vo bugarska. Od politicko ubeduvanje?!? Ne, bugarce. Moraa da sluzat, zavisno od koja vojska gi prinudilo da bidat vojnici i vo koe selo vlegla i postavila svoj rezim.
Nekoi Makedonci mozebi bea dobrovolci, ne velam ne, no pred da ubivaat bugarskite i srpskite vojski niz Makedonija, se znaese sto saka Makedonecot. Samostalnost. No intelektualcite i patriotite bea ubieni, i nemase koj taa zelba za samostalnost na Makedonecot da mu ja ispolni. Bugarite i srbite sigurno ne, koisto se borea za svoe prosiruvanje, kako grcite na jug.

E sega za Odrinsko. Znaes deka imalo i drugi stabovi na VMRO, vo drugi gradovi? Znaes deka i tie si se opisuvale prema gradot kade sto se naogjale? Koj kade napisal vo koj dokument, za denes nie da mu davame posebna vaznost na imeto, bilo individulano i zavisno od vreme i situacija, i koj bil primacot.
Vazno bilo i togas, i den denes, deka Makedoncite sakaat samostalnost. Toa im e pravo. Drugo ne treba da se dramatizira i analizira. Ti imas drugo mislenje?

 
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June 22 2005, 11:52 AM 

Odrin is not in Macedonia, the common had that there used to live bulgarians under turkish and bulgarians from macedonian and odrin area united.

Makedonche for 100 years you got very strong propaganda you can not see how ulogical is everything what you say.


pozdravi makedosnko lavche

 
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Slab komentar, newnov

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June 29 2005, 12:33 AM 

Odbegna da komentiras za krsenite grobista, za prinudenite Makedonci da sluzat vojska vo srpska ili/i bugarska vojska, za zrtvuvanjeto na Makedonskata nacionalnost od strana na bugarski i srpski okupator, itn.
Za Odrin, procitaj sto napisav vo predhodniot komentar, a ovde pak ke ti recam: ne dramatiziraj poradi nekoe ime. Iminja postojat i mozat da se najdat milion i da se analizriraat zosto se takvi. Vazno e slednoto: zelbata za samostalnost na Makedoncite pred Ilindenskoto Vostanie 1903, posle toa vo Balkanskite vojni, pred i vo Vtora Svetska Vojna. Samostalnost vo ramki na Jugoslavija za del od avtenticna teritorija na Makedoncite, i apsolutna vo 1991.

 
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June 29 2005, 12:35 PM 

mak lion te makedoncite si biaha dobrovolci v bagarskata armia ednite biaha partizani v balgarskite partizanski dvijenia, drugite dobrovoloci v baglaraskata carska armia po vreme na vtorarata svetovna voina, a v parvata niamashe takiva koito da biaha makedonci po narodnost te direktno(makedoncite) se broiaha za balgarski voinici i se chustvaha balgarski voinici.
losho e che ne go znaesh.
i sega v bg horata naslednici na makedoncite koito izbiagaha ot makedonia poradi presledvaniata na sarbi i garci i dobrovolno se zaseliha v balgaria sa poveche kato broi ot makednsko - balgarskoto naselenie v makedonia. okolo 1 - 3 ot naslenieto na balgaria ima makedonski koreni i vinagi sa se chustvali balgari koeto e mnogo poveche ot makedoncite(novata nacia ) i balgarite(poneje ima mnogo hora koito vse oshte se chustavat balgari) v makedonia.
ta moje li pak da mi kajesh za odrin che nerazbrah zashto e Makedono - Odrinska

shto chinite v Odrin Makedoncite:))))

 
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a za grobishtata e oficialna politika balgarskite vlasti iskaha da mokem nie da si gi podarjame s nashi sredstva ama uvi nali si imate vs eoshte makedonski parioti v praviteslstvoto zabraniha ni, ama koga sarbite posikaha sashtoto za srabskite grobishta ot parvata svetovna voina vashti vlasti chak pat im postroiha nali sa patrioti istisnkia makedonec e patriot i chovek koga pravi dobro za sasrbite i istisnki dravnik i magare koga pravi neshto za isitiskia si rod i istinskoto si minalo na balgarin.
takiva sa nacionalisite makedonci te sram nimat i obich kam makedonia nimat koga se poiaviat sarbi samo govoriat kak te sa se bieli protiv sarbi a nikogash ne sa se bieli protiv sarbi samo tea koi se narichaha balgari se bieha za svobodata na makedonia i samo te mileeha i samo te miliat dneska za svobodata na makedonia.

 
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July 25 2005, 6:25 PM 

I povtorno da povtoram: Makedoncite bea OKUPIRANI, i od Srbija, i od Bugarija. Makedonci koi sluzea vo vojski, sluzea vo vojksi na drzavi nareceni spored tie iminja, bideki ne bea Makedoncite slobodni da stvorat svoja drzava i svoja vojska.
Makedoncite bea maltretirani, progonuvani i ubivani, poradi zelbata da bidat samostalni Makedonci.
Tokmu zaradi faktot deka edna tretina od BG e Makedonska, tokmu zatoa Bugarija se bori da go pravi makedonstvoto bugarsko. Istata pricina sto ja gledame i kaj Grcija koga go pravi makedonstvoto grcko. Isto kako i srbija okolu Makedonskata Pravoslavna Crkva.
Faktot e neizbezen: Makedoncite bea, i se den denes potcineti od sosedite, pritiskani da prifatat druga nacionalnost. Vremeto ne gi opameti sosedite da ja prifatat vistinata: Makedoncite postojat kako svoj poseben etnitet i nacionalnost, i sekogas se borele za svoe sopstveno katce od ovoj svet, so site prava i privilegii sto toa im gi dava. Bez razlika na preprekite inicirani od nivnite sosedi zedni za ekspanizam na tugjo.

 
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July 25 2005, 7:18 PM 

bla-bla-bla...

 
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July 25 2005, 9:08 PM 



Listen all, Bulgarans and Macedonians,about Macedonian minority in Bulgaria and vice versa:

I am sorry to interfeer using the English language..... but I am Macedonian and I dont know Bulgarian Since you dont know Greek I have to make a comment in English.

"
1.Bulgarian NATION consists of few ethnoses, namely:
a)Bulgarians
- Christian Bulgarians (Bulgarians proper + Macedonians + Shopi,etc.)
- Muslim Bulgarians (Pomaks)
b)Turks,
c)Roma
-Romany(Gypsie) speaking
-turkish speaking
-Vlach speaking
d)Armenians,etc.

Macedonian NATION cosists of:
a)Macedonians
-Cristian Macedonians (Macedonians proper + Bulgarians)
-Muslim Macedonians(Torbeshi)
b)Albanians
c)Vlachs
d)Roma(Gypsie)
e)Turks?
"

As I can see there are no Greeks both in Fyrom and Bulgaria. I wonder.... Greeks had colonies and merchandiesers from Kazakstan in the Black Sea to Massalia France. Strong communities existed there and still today there are some kind of presence, small but shows they were there. In Fyrom and in Bulgaria which are so close to Greece there are no Greeks. How that comes ?


 
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July 26 2005, 12:07 AM 

e shto togava govorish balgarski kato toia na baba mi deto nikoga ne e stapvala v makedonia

 
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July 26 2005, 12:04 PM 

Doggy Batsilos Are you trying to think??????????????????????????????????????
SO were are the ethnic BULGARIANS in Greece????????????????????????????????????
How is possible GREECE to be 98% ethnic????????????????????????????????

May be you hide some genocidal actions (in the past) towards your minorities???????????????????????????????
Are you the one who tries to speak for Greek democracy????????????????????????????????
Shame on your grey fur Shame

 
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July 26 2005, 1:06 PM 

Basil, you are right I have missed the Greek in Bulgaria. I did this intentiously cause I wante to mention only the substantial minorities. There are Greeks or decendants of Greeks. I know some of them. I have overheard other saying - Im Greek, my husband in Bulgarian,my son - is he Greek or Bulgarian, who can tell nowadays? The Greeks in Bulgaria are located mainly along the coast - Varna,Nesebar,Sozopol,Pomorie,etc.
Beside the Greeks there are other less numerous minorities such as Vlachs, Tatars, Russians, Arabs,Chenese,etc.
And yes - where are the Bulgarians in Greece? I am not talking about the temporary workers or recent emigrants.

 
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July 27 2005, 12:17 AM 

Dr Jonson,

I think Bulgarian of Greece are limited to the Pomaks in Thrace. They are muslims and Turks are trying to Turkify them nowndays. The rest of the Bulgarians I think were vanished after the WW2. Taking as example my village in Serres, the Bulgarian community forced to leave Greece together with the retreat of the Bulgarian militants after the defeat of the Germans and the Italians. They had created many emenies there during the occupation years
The yeats before I think also there were somekind of population exchange betwwen Greece and Bulgaria; Greeks from Eastern Romylia and Bulgarians from Macedonia. The good part in that story is that today in Greece there are no hostility against Bulgarians. They really feel Bulgarians like neighbors and all the hostility during the past is not against Bulgarians but against communist regime of Bulgaria. Thats good... there is some hope in the hood.. Just try to eliminate that communist waists in the internet that dream of Big Bulgaria, and everything will be fine the future years between the 2 nations.


PS. The Greeks of Bulgaria nowndays have Greek names or Bulgarian names? When they say they are Greeks... how they know that?

 
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July 27 2005, 1:36 PM 

Batsilos
your theories for the bulgarian communism are exaggerated!!!!!!!!!
SEE but yugo communism and dictatorship are hard for understanding!!!!!!(Tito's)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

 
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August 4 2005, 2:28 AM 

Kako mozam da govoram bugarski, koga moite predci govorea Makedonski pred bugarija da bide izmislena?!? Si se zbunil nesto so vreminjata, newnov. Makedonija e majka na bugarija. Ne obratno. Makedoncite postoeja pred Bugarija, razbiras?
Site sto bea maltretirani, maceni i ubivani za da ja napustat Egejska Makedonija, denes del od Grcija, site bea Makedonci, ne bugari. Neka nema tuka nikakva dilema.
Grckoto progonstvo na Makedoncite vo najnovo vreme sledese posle vremeto koga bugarija bese okupator na Makedonija. Zatoa narodot cesto bil zaveduvan kako bugarski vo oficijalni knigi, so koi i bugarija i grcija denes se cuka po gradi. Bugarija se gradela na Makedonski grb, pa takov e slucajot i ovde so makata na Makedoncite progonuvani od svoite rodni ognista.
Bla-bla-bla za zaslepeni fasisti, no ziva viztina koja sto se slucila. Vreme e da gi otvorite ocite.

 
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August 4 2005, 11:13 AM 

Basil,
the Greeks in Bulgaria that I know all have Bulgarian name(with Bulgarian endings -ov,ev and not -os). I think they know they are Greeks from the oral family history passed down from one generation to another. I also think they speak Bulgarian at home too, I have no idea if they know any Greek. Those of mixed origin that I know, surely do not. They don't consider themselves Greek but they rather point out that background as an interesting fact about their family history. And you should agree that one Greek ancestor among hundreds of Bulgarian ones doesnt make them much Greek, plus they were born,educated and live in Bulgaria. But still until recent days some Greeks along the coast were probably marrying within the community.

 
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August 4 2005, 1:10 PM 

new revelation ha
ova kolku vreme ke trae 10 dena
kako toa za mene najvaznoto uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 
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Do Lav Makedonski

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August 4 2005, 7:31 PM 

Lave,

neka ne si govorim naprazni prikazki, i neka ne uvekovecavame prestaplenijata na srbite i grcite kato vjarvame na tehnite lagi.

Djado mi e profesor istorik, na 73 godini, i v goljamata mu licna biblioteka ima mnogo knigi i dokumenti, kadeto moje da se vidi ce bulgari ot Makedonskija kraj sa bili biti i maltretirani ot sarbite dokato ne priznaeli ce sa Makedonci, a ne Bulgari. Vseki inteligenten bulgarin dnes priznava Makedonija kato otdelna darzava. Tova koeto ne mozem da razberem i ponesem e zelanieto na Makedoncite da se otkazvat ot obstoto si kulturno, ezikovo i istoricesko nasledstvo s Bulgarite, i da tvardjat ce sa potomci na Alexander Makedonski i ce makedonskiat ezik togava ima nesto obsto s makedonskiat i Makedonia dnes. Njama takava vrazka. Po tozi nacin samo davate osnovanie na grcite da vi presledvat i obizdat, zastoto vie naistina gazite v tjahnoto istoricesko minalo. Drevnata oblast Macedon i horata jiveli tam njamat nisto obsto s dnesnite makedonci, kakto trakite zivjali po nasite zemi njamat nisto obsto s dnesnite bulgari. V Bulgaria nie ucim, razbira se, za trakite i daze sme hodili da vidim tehnite grobnici, no tiahnata istoria ne se scita za cast ot Bulgarskata. Taka i vie njamate osnovanie da si tarsite minaloto v drevnia Macedon.

Ima oste mnogo nesta za koito moze da se spori i za koito moga da ti dam dokazatelstva, no sas maka razbiram ce dori i te njama da te nakarat da mislish po drug nacin, zastoto covek vjarva na nestata koito e cuval ot malak, dori i da ne sa verni. Nadjavam se samo ce edin den Makedoncite ste sprat da se deljat ot Balgarite v kulturno i istoricesko otnosenie, i ste ziveem zaedno kakto vinagi v Bulgaria sme iskali. Zvuci idealisticno, no covek ima pravo da me4tae.

R.

 
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za luv makedonski

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August 5 2005, 6:06 PM 

ot 2 mseca dira makedonec da mi obesni,kak taka v makedonskia sait http://faq.macedonia.org/history/ e pokazana miniatura na ioan skilitza "voiskite na Tzar Samuil obsajdat Solun". ama kato ovelichish snimkata se vijda che nad Samuilovata voiska pishe "BOYLGAROS"(na grucki bulgarite).ama tova ne e vsichko na sledvashtata miniatura pishe "smurta na Tsar Smuil miniatura ot manasievata hronika".bratia makedonci kogato kradete istoria barem gledaite tova ne e miniatura ot manasievata hronika a ot sushtata hronika na ioan skilitsa,i nepokazva smurta na Tsar Samuil a svatbata na dushteria mu za sina na grigorii taronit.eeee bratia makedonci koi slusha mnogo propaganda?zashto se sramuvate ot bulgarskoto si minalo?ili i tazi hronika e falshifikat?

 
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Mnogo prosto

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August 6 2005, 1:30 AM 

Ne be Ispor, taka im vikali shototo vidish li, Samouil bil okupiral BG prestola i mu vikali Bulgarin, na voiskata mu - Bulgari, puk na dyrzavata mu - Bulgaria. Ma kato ostavim tova na strana - vsashtnost stavalo duma za Makedonia, a spored niakoi 'po-osvedomeni' forumci dyrzavata se vikala Sklavinia i bila predshestvenik na ... Yugoslavia!!!!
Sashtite 'po-osvedomeni' izto4nici tvradiat 4e gurcite vikali Bulgari na vsi4ki Slaviani za po-lesno!!!!

Takiva mi ti shediovri razda Yugoslavskata istori4arska 'nauka'.

Samo deto ne stava iasno zashto adzeba 'Makedonicte' na Samouil bili oslepeni ot Vasilii II Makedonec, koito po kusno bil nare4en 'Bulgaroubiec' pak po 'pogreshka'.
Ej, taia nasha pusta Bulgarska istoria e pulna s istori4eski 'greshki', bre!!!

 
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August 6 2005, 1:40 AM 

VRMO=AUSTROHUNGARIAN ****ERS!THE DREAM OF THESSALONIKI!UP YOURS SLAVONIZED BULGS FROM SKOPJE!ALL OF U!
MACEDONIA IS GREEK
WITH HATE A GREEK PATRIOT

 
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August 6 2005, 1:53 AM 

od kade da te znam sto pravish i so kogo si
ako mozese seto ova dosega zosto ne bi mozelo i da gi smiruvash drugarchinjata
me predade so many times
i sii rekov eve pak
od kade da te znam
a slikite nema vrska

 
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August 6 2005, 12:42 PM 

i otgovor ne poluchih.iavno bratiata makedonci nemogat da obiasniat.

 
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August 6 2005, 7:58 PM 

Aj ne sboruvate LAJNA Bugari.......

 
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Jordane

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August 6 2005, 10:23 PM 

Dancho, mnogo dobre zboruvame daze, ama kogato srestu tebe stoi njakoj nastarven i ozloben covek, kakvo da mu objasnjavas i dokazvas?

 
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Macedonians are EVERYWHERE

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August 7 2005, 9:09 AM 

'Macedonian' star - 3rd millenium BC, Mesopotamia, Sumer


 
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Macedonian are EVERYWHERE

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'Macedonian' star - 9 century BC, Anatolia, Hettian Kingdom


 
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Macedonians are EVERYWHERE

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'Macedonian' star - 9 century BC, Anatolia, Hettian Kingdom


 
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August 7 2005, 1:15 PM 

As I have said many times, people do not copyright symbols.

It's been said that Islam symbol (small moon) is Greek from Byzantion (Polis).



Istor
Ethnic Macedonians were always Greek

 
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