Can anyone tell me why Macedonians of today think that they have a connection to ancient Macedonians?
The only ones that do are the Agean Macedonians.
The rest of Macedonia is a mix of Serbs and bugari. Why is the language almost dead on with that of the bulgarian language and so closely to the Serb. The biggest mistake this region did was break away from Serbia. This is why the villages around Tetovo the Macedoninas can't move. They are affraid to move. The albanian flag flies everywhere. I was back home almost two years ago and was sick to my stomach to see Macedonian men wedding with albanian women. They brake bread with these people. Yet they Hate Serbs and Greeks. Why, because we don't recogonize your church? You worship tito, even croations hate him and thats what he was. Te only people that like tito are the albanians and you new Macedonians with SERB and bugar blood.but are to confused to know any better)tito opened up the door for all these filthy illegal albanians to come into our country and ruin it, but you modern day bugari love him for recogonizing "Macedonia". Gomna
The village I grew up in is 100% free of albanians, I only know of about four or five villages where this is still left in the area, otherwise these cockroaches have infested the entire area.
I feel Macedonia should be back with Serbia, if you pro-bugari (VMRO) want go back to bugaria then be gone, you filthy albanians need to leave also. Now as for the name Macedonia it only belongs to a selected few, the Agean Macedonians and the Greeks that live in northern Greece, these are the TRUE Macedoninas! Not bugari, nor the Greeks of the south.

I am sorry to see that our brother Serbs live entirely in the darkness.

Sharplaninac, languagewise you are quite wrong. Modern Macedonian and Bulgarian have common origin - middle Bulgarian. Check this out:

http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaHistory/language_tree.htm

FYROMacedonian has many similarities with Serbo-Chroatian only because of recent borrowings, most of them contected with the Industrial Revolution.
Those words are absent in the proper Macedonian which is spoken by Bulgarian Macedonians.
And the Serbian blood in the Macedonian veines is not as much as you wish...

I **** your stupid momma, cause she left the village in Tetovo area. And let me tell you one thing. There are no Serbs, in Beloviste, Vratnica, Rogacevo, Staro Selo... Neither in Odri, Prsovce, Dobroste and Tearce... Have a nice day sucker...

http://makedonija.cjb.net
http://macedonia.co.nr

"The only ones that do are the Agean Macedonians."

If you are speaking of the Greeks living in Northern Greece, you've got to be kidding? A majority of these Greeks are from Asia Minor or Southern Russia. No ties whatsoever to the ancient Macedonians. Matter-of-fact, No Greeks can claim without reasonable doubt that they are tied to the ancients.

If you are speaking of the Macedonian Slavs living in Northern Greece, the Macedonians do not have any claim without reasonable doubt to ties with the ancients either.

But, for both parties, there MAY be intermixing with the migrating Slavs that came south in the 6th century. That has no proof to back it up but a likely scenario. As far as the ancient Greeks intermixing with the ancient Macedonians, do you think the ancient Greeks wanted to mix with "barbarians"?

My dear Slav with Slav intermixing we cant be certain ? Its "logical" something you greatfully lack ? you speak Slavic I speak HELLENIC the language of my forefathers AMYNTAS PHILLIPOS ALEXANDROS thousands of years ago!........

my grandparents were born in litokhoron which is near mt olympus

Argive wrote:

My dear Slav with Slav intermixing we cant be certain ? Its "logical" something you greatfully lack ? you speak Slavic I speak HELLENIC the language of my forefathers AMYNTAS PHILLIPOS ALEXANDROS thousands of years ago!........

the hellenic language you speak now has changed greatly since the ancient times, dont get to cocky basically almost everything from the ancient times hasnt stayed the same. like latin, there are four dialects of it now. french, spanish, italian, and portuguese. yes, even the macedonian language has changed, from ancient macedonian to slavic. dont deny the fact that the hellenic language has changed. my mates father even said it and his one of those greeks that actually studies the history that they actually have. not alexander and not philip who the greeks are stealing from the macedonians and claiming them their own.

Changed greatly ???? Alexandros Amyntas Phillipos all have exactly the same meaning in my Hellenic Language today , alex=protector of man amyntas=defender philo tou ippos=lover of horses etc etc. As for STEFCHE your grandparents were actually born in YIFTOCHORON!!!!!!!!!

your grandparents were born in turkey and raised as turks and now claim to be hellenic and direct desendants to the ancient greeks and macedonians.

My grandparents were actually born in ARGOS ORESTIKON

G O R C O
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I **** your stupid momma, cause she left the village in Tetovo area. And let me tell you one thing. There are no Serbs, in Beloviste, Vratnica, Rogacevo, Staro Selo... Neither in Odri, Prsovce, Dobroste and Tearce... Have a nice day sucker...


You wanna maybe say this to my face pisdo,do you live in detroit,are you the same Macedonian who got his ass beat by the Macedonians from Canada during the convention?

Beloviste,Rogacevo,Staro Selo and Vratnica are ALL people from KOSOVO, that had to leave there during the ottoman empire you IDIOT! Didn't the villagers from Vratnica just build a church in Troy, Michigan? What does it same on the church " Sveta Petka Serbian Orthodox Church". Right **** for brains!

All the people from Vratnica and Beloviste in the Detroit area say they are SERBIAN, beacuase they know where they come from, unlike the ones back home who "claim" to be Macedonian. All the years of brain washing in school.

Now if you got the balls, which I know you don't you will wanna meet up since we are both from Detroit, pussy! Lets see if you got the balls to say this to my face!

Now go to your **** excuse for a church that no Orthodox person in the world recognizes, and by the way the one that you guys are losing because you can't afford the loan you took out on it, unlike the church the Vratnica built that they paid 6 million CASH for it, **** with the best die like the rest!

You better hope I don't find your ass, cause I know your in the metro area Goron.

Goran have you been to Beloviste or Vratnica? Look at the grave markers in the cematery what kind of names are on the tombstone? Spiric,Mihajlovic,Simic really sound like Macedonian names too me supelko!

I don't live in Detroit, neither in Vratnica. I live in Skopje, but I have a house there. And I have many friends from Vratnica that claim to be Macedonians, not Serbs... Yes maybe in the past someones claimed that there are serbs there... But today all those serb claimers are gone in America...

back 30-40 years ago... some ppl from Vratnica region asked the entire area to be administrative annexed to Serbia. Then the major of Vratnica told... in front of all the vratnica citizens. Who is Serbian on the right side of the river Rakita, and who is Macedonian to remain on the left. ONLY three families went on the right side of the river Rakita... The Maceodnians majority remained to live in the left side...

so don't give me the cheap **** about Vratnica and the villages around being Serbs... There hav never been serbs in Vratnica, only SRBOMANI (Macedonian ppl, raising the serbian spirit).

best regards,
Goran

http://makedonija.cjb.net
http://macedonia.co.nr

Goran why do you eat ****,the people of VRATNICA just built a HUGE ORTHODOX SERBIAN CHURCH in Troy Michigan. Not Macedonian! Over 300 families just from that one villager built a SERBIAN church, pisdo. I only know of about four or five families from Vratnica that claim to be Macedonian, and they are the laughing stock of the community. People that have recently passed away in the village have SERBIAN names on there tombstones! I have plenty of family in Skopje in Gjorce Petrov, THEY ARE ALSO SERB, now ako imas muda you can get together with my family and they will explain everything to you over a cup of coffee! Who are your loser friends from Vratnica? Names please, I can tell you if your a liar or not since I WAS BORN THERE! Anybody from that area that eats **** about he is Macedonian is full of gomna. The only real Macedonians are the Egejci, not you confused Serbians and fu**ing bugari. When we vacationed there we got into a argument with a bunch of villagers about who they are and where they come from. So NEVER forget where you come from. Just because we live in america DOESN'T make us americans. We are still SERBS. Also are you married? If you are were you married in a Macedonian church? If so don't feel bad, when your mother was with me she wasn't cheating on your father because there vows are not RECOGNIZED by the HEAD ORTHODOX CHURCH!
Goran wake up, the shiptare screw you guys everyday, because you don't have the balls to tell them anything! There flag flies all over Macedonia, NOT in SERBIA! If a Macedonian owns a business the albanian walks in and speaks to you in albanian. What ******g country do you live in, albania or Macedonia. They do whatever they want to because the men there are LAZY worthless pieces of gomna! Scared of your own shadows!
If you are so Macedonian why do you speak bugar? Same langauge just a differant dialect. Don't kid yourself. Egejci speak real Macedonian not you pro-bugar vmro monkeys! Hvae fun giving your sister away to some shiptar.

I don't live in Detroit, neither in Vratnica. I live in Skopje, but I have a house there.


Goran where in Vratnica is your home Stepanovci, Siskovci, Dlabocani, Koecevci, Stanisovci, Vasilevci, Golomevci, Danecevci, Dobrocevci, Peovci, Todorovci, Kostanecevci, Madzicevci, Maskocevci, Mojsicevci, Kraguljevci, Dabocevci and Papudzini. Also tell me something where do the names of these village families come from? OH MY GOD LOOK THEY ARE FROM KOSOVO, CHECK ANY MAP. THESE ARE ALL VILLAGES IN KOSOVO, WHEN HAS KOSOVO BEEN MACEDONIAN, NEVER IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN SERBIAN. SO ALL THOSE YEARS YOU SPENT IN SIMCE NASTOVSKI LEARNING YOUR PRO-BUGAR PROPOGANDA WAS FOR NOTHING!

QUOTE [Greek Slav]
"f you are speaking of the Greeks living in Northern Greece, you've got to be kidding? A majority of these Greeks are from Asia Minor or Southern Russia. No ties whatsoever to the ancient Macedonians. Matter-of-fact, No Greeks can claim without reasonable doubt that they are tied to the ancients"


I know many "native" (i.e. non-immigrant) Greek Macedonians from Serres, Kastoria, Katerini, Veria, Naoussa, Grevena and Kozani who would beg to differ! Their ancestors never spoke the Slavic idiom your mother speaks.

As for immigrants, ALL of Greece received immigrants from Asia Minor, Eastern Thrace, Bulgarian Black Sea coast, and Southern Russia. (Not just Greek Macedonia).

Trust me, there is nothing "Turkish" about the Asia Minor Greeks. (There's not too much Turkish blood in the average Turk, but that's an entirely different topic).

Nobody in the Balkans is pure anything...but you know what? Even a Cypriot has more in common with an ancient Macedonian than the Slavs who live in FYROM today. If an ancient Macedonian peasant suddenly found themselves in 2005, they would be able to communicate, with some difficulty, in Modern Greek. However, Slavic would be completely ALIEN to them!!

GreekSlav wrote:

"...But, for both parties, there MAY be intermixing with the migrating Slavs that came south in the 6th century. That has no proof to back it up but a likely scenario. As far as the ancient Greeks intermixing with the ancient Macedonians, do you think the ancient Greeks wanted to mix with "barbarians"..."

Isn't that a contradictory statement to say that Greeks mixed with Slavs yet didn't mix with ancient Macedonians in the 1,000 years prior because they were "barbarians"? Weren't the Slavs "barbarians"?

Goran using "YOUR LOGIC" then we should start assuming that the Athenians were barbarians because the Spartans said they were.Goran lay of these FYROM PROPAGANDIST WEB SITES,They only make you look like a "MALAKA" because thats exactly what they want you to look like. Search for the TRUTH like all educated EXPERTS do friend ? Analyse ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE ANCIENT SOURCES LITERATURE ETC ETC ETC............... DONT BE AFRAID OF THE TRUTH FRIEND !!! ( "Life and virtue is a necassary part of any valuable human life my friend! The unexamined life is not worth living!!!) SOCRATES The (APOLOGY)

LONG LIVE MACEDONIA


"The King is Dead, Long Live the Balkans! Watching the Marseilles Murders of 1934"
Electronic Media by Keith Brown




The scope of this paper is more modest. The research on which it is based was motivated by the relative scarcity of scholarly and popular attention paid to events of the interwar period of 1919-1941 in discussions of the violent break-up of the second Yugoslavia in the 1990s--a break-up which has left certain issues unresolved in every former Republic and autonomous region except Slovenia. Historians and commentators have tended to emphasize the importance of the 1940s in Bosnia and Croatia, and of the early twentieth century in Macedonia: in discussions of Kosovo, they lurch between discussions of post-war Yugoslav discriminatory practices, and the battle of Kosovo field in 1389.






Alexander's Yugoslavia played an important role in these initiatives. After signing a French treaty of friendship on November 11 1927 (Stavrianos 1964: 227), he set about creating close relations with old foes in the region. Particularly striking were his overtures to Bulgaria and Hungary, considered at the time as revisionist powers, bitter over their losses after World War I and the peace settlements. Yugoslavia and Hungary made efforts at rapprochement, which included the closing down of refugee camps in Southern Hungary where Croat exiles had taken refuge and, according to some accounts, received training and arms to conduct anti-Yugoslav terrorism.

In November and December 1933, royal visits were exchanged with Bulgaria, where the question of Macedonia was a particular source of contention, . As a result of Alexander's efforts, the Bulgarian government took action against the Macedonian Revolutionary Organization which though still notionally committed to the liberation of geographical Macedonia from Serbian and Greek rule, had increasingly turned to criminal activities and terrorism, as well as bloody internal factional warfare. In Sofia and Western Bulgaria, Ivan Mihailov controlled the Organization and a cadre of loyal followers, who carried out the purges he ordered. One of Mihailov's most trusted and effective lieutenants was Vlado Chernozemski, who killed at least two prominent leftist Macedonians in the 1920s. When the Bulgarian government shut them down, Mihailov fled East to Turkey: Chernozemski headed West. It seemed that progress was being made. Alexander's efforts, though, stirred his country's enemies to strike back.

Why did Alexander die?

The newsreel reports that the trigger in Marseilles was pulled by "a Croat terrorist, bound by a blood oath." Again, the sense given is of a man cut down by primordial forces at work in his own neighborhood. Over the next few days of media coverage, though, a different story emerged. On the assassin's body a Czech passport was found, identifying him as Petrus Kalemen. Nationality was less clear: was he Croat? Or was he Czech, or Hungarian? Before that discussion had subsided, it was reported that the passport was forged, and attention then turned to a more permanent mark of identification, a tattoo on his left arm. Although different details were given, all agreed it included a skull and crossbones and some capital letters. A Yugoslav journalist who saw the tattoo told the press corps it was the symbol of the Macedonian Revolutionary Organization: fingerprints were sent from Paris and Sofia to Belgrade, and on October 17 it was officially announced that the killer was Vlado Chernozemski, Mihailov's former right-hand man. A number of other individuals were arrested in France and charged as accomplices: all were Croats, and when they were interrogated, the plot thickened further. Ante Pavelic, the head of a Croatian nationalist and terrorist group known as the Ustashe, was implicated. The Macedonian connection was complemented by assertions of Hungarian complicity: allegedly, the killers had trained there before the camps had been closed down.

Yugoslavia issued charges against Hungary. In defense, Hungary's foreign minister Tibor Eckhardt pointed to Yugoslavia's internal woes, where at least some Croats and Macedonians nursed resentment at their second-class status and Serbian oppression. Eckhardt further asserted that Alexander's death sentence was passed not in Hungary, but in Croat communities such as those in Buenos Aires and Youngstown Ohio (Chicago Daily Tribune December 8 pp.1-2: Eckhardt 1964:164). Lastly, he launched a counter-attack, indicating the much stronger evidence of Italian involvement which Yugoslavia, and her West European allies, appeared to be ignoring. Other sources also cast the net of conspiracy further. The Daily Mail on October 12 carried a story that what the assassinations in Marseilles confirmed was the existence of a murder plot to destroy peace in Europe. The violent deaths of Alexander and Barthou were the successors to those of Ion Duca, Rumanian leader killed by right-wingers, and Dolfuss, chancellor of Austria, victim of Nazi thugs. The story speculated that Titulescu, Rumanian foreign minister, might be next.4 Newspapers in the internationally governed Saar region of Germany and in Russia accused Hitler's Nazi Régime of involvement--a line taken up after the Second World War in East Germany, where researchers claimed the existence of a plan code-named Teutonschwert. (Thorndike, Thorndike and Roddatz 1959).5

The mix of rumor and hard evidence regarding criminal conspiracy was further complicated by allegations that the negligence of the French police was not accidental, but the product of planning. Potentially embarrassing too was the discrepancy between the number and direction of shots fired by the assailant, and the number of civilian spectators killed or wounded by gunfire: some officers, it appeared, panicked and fired into the crowd.6 Italy and Germany did not cooperate in the investigation. Neither Britain, where appeasers remained powerful, nor France where the strongly anti-German Barthou was replaced by Pierre Laval, mustered the political will to challenge their recalcitrance. The small fry who had been captured in France all served some prison time, and Hungary was censured. No further efforts were made to delve too deeply into an issue, which many saw as a flashpoint that might spark a new war in Europe. And so the causes for Alexander's death were pinned on the local squabbling that he and other Balkan leaders had been striving to end.


To presume that this would all have been different had Alexander and Barthou not died in Marseilles might sound like old-fashioned "great man" theory. But when an absolute ruler dies, or a government official whose long-term plans are in the process of being drawn together, some things do change. In 1934, Alexander's enemies were close to defeat. Although the ustashe found supporters in the Croatian diaspora, and among the most recent political exiles who had taken refuge in neighboring countries, a more moderate Croatian Peasant Party, under Vladko Machek, held sway in Croatia (Despalatovic 2000:87). The concentrations of political exiles in Hungary had been broken up, as had VMRO's state within a state in Pirin Macedonia, Bulgaria. On the broader canvas, Franco-Yugoslav relations were stronger than ever, and Barthou was still in the process of crafting a web of alliances that would contain the threat of violence from European states unhappy with the status quo, the most powerful of which was Germany.

Marseilles gave revisionists hope again. In more general terms, the murders exemplify the power of political violence to stop and even reverse other processes. They also provide a vital reminder that historical causes and consequences do not stop at the boundaries between countries and even regions. Re-examination of the record suggests that external forces and connections were far more involved in the realization of these murders than media accounts of the time, including the newsreel, indicated. How did a recent issue automatic Mauser pistol get into the hands of a Macedonian terrorist? Who bankrolled the journeys, papers, clothes, and hotel stays of the team of assassins? Why was the police escort reduced in size? These questions were raised, but quickly brushed aside or forgotten in an emergent consensus that further investigation either was fancifully conspiracist or could be dangerously revealing.

Who cares? Rebecca West did. She saw Yugoslavia not as a source of problems for the wider world, but rather a victim of tensions generated elsewhere--specifically, by Hitler and Mussolini. Others had similar reactions. Louis Adamic, for example, wrote "The Balkans have been the keg, but the Great Powers have been filling it with powder." (1943:350). R.W. Seton-Watson, at Chatham House, stated that

..in the light of what has happened in Germany, it seems to me that to talk in superior tones of the "Balkanization" of Europe is to-day either impudence or hypocrisy. All the troubles of the Balkans for a century past were due to foreign interference, especially from the Great Powers" (1935:36).

These understandings have been eroded over time: the richness of West's vision, in particular, impoverished in its use by Robert Kaplan, who finds in her work only confirmation of a crude historical determinism driven by Balkan sentiments. The assassination that provided West's driving question nonetheless remains an event where external agency and extremism can be demonstrated to be working in destructive tandem, and also where one can trace how representing the Balkans as home of violence replaces serious causal analysis. If we want proof of the impact of geopolitics, and the disastrous effect that recourse to violence has for its perpetrators as well as its victims, Marseilles in 1934, and a map of the forces that killed the King of Yugoslavia, are as good a place to start as any.


MACEDONIA WILL NEVER DIE YOU DUMP ****S.

My friend KOPRITI or KOMITI whoever you are, I dont read toilet paper disposals for the toilet OR trash for the trashbin,If you have a problem with your beloved BULGARIA thats your problem,If you have a problem with my beloved MAKETHONIA the home of MY MIGHTY ANCESTORS, Pull out your ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE !!!????? or go cry YOUR BULGARIAN EYES OUT !!!!!!! "FOR THE FREEDOM,AND GLOOOOOOOOORY,OF GREEEEEEEEEEEECE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Hey brother, I live in Detroit and my parents are from Vratnica. I agree with you about our roots being from Kosovo;however, after studying many topics on the internet, talking with Serbian people, I'd have to say we're not as Serbian as you may think.

One thing you have to understand is we don't even speak it. That's a number 1 indicator of ethnicity. While is great that we know our roots, I can tell you that even our ancestors who came to Kosovo spoke the way we speak today. Yes, meaning they spoke the old 'Slavonic' dialect but didn't have a clear understanding of who they were. Understand that before Serbian gained Kosovo in the mid 1200's, there were already Slavs living there. So, what were they? I don't believe they were Macedonians either. Kosovar Serbs especially the one's on the Eastern side of Kosovo didn't have any national feeling until about 100yrs ago. They could have easily called themselves Bulgarians without thinking twice, it just so happens that Serbia got all of Kosovo.

Also, Serbians and Serbs from Montenegro, Bosnia, Croatia, Vojvodina never mention Serbs from MK when talking about 'Greater Serbia'. They don't cosider us Serbs even when we tell them we are. Hence we speak different, and most of the times our parents here in Detroit change their talk to Serbian when speaking with one. Meaning if we speak Vratnicanski they don't understand. Many Serbs here in Detroit think Vratnicani are stupid for calling the Church Serbian when they say you guys are Macedonian. Based on that, I feel like a wannabe calling myself Serb but I also feel uncomfortable calling myself Macedonian.

Serbians are very westernized and Macedonians are not. They are open minded with issues like divorce, swearing, not respecting, etc.; however, we are complete opposite of that. Don't feel you need to call yourself a Serb in order to feel strong because they don't back down in Wars.

I've travelled to certain areas of Serbia and South Serbia(Raska and Zeta), and buddy they're very different than us and those are the areas where Serbdom began. Call yourself what you may but understand the points i pointed out.

Phantom have you thought that your ancestor who were neither Serbs nor Macedonians might have been Bulgarians? As you said language is the first marker of ethnicity, Bulgarians have no difficulties of understanding Macedonian talk. Does't this ring the bell??

I have a house in Pecaliste... that is a new part of Vratnica, moron built in the past 15-20 years (but you cannot know this cause you are long time ago moved in the USA)... And the albanians ****ed you real good in your ****in' country of Serbia. Soon there will be no Serbs in KOSOVA.

have fun...

http://makedonija.cjb.net
http://macedonia.co.nr

I have a house in Pecaliste... that is a new part of Vratnica, moron built in the past 15-20 years (but you cannot know this cause you are long time ago moved in the USA)... And the albanians ****ed you real good in your ****in' country of Serbia. Soon there will be no Serbs in KOSOVA.
Da ti ebam koreno

Kurle Big deal I built a house five years ago(a real house unlike the little piece of **** you built) you see all those big new houses in Vratnica, built by Serbians, so we live in america so what, it is still us you dogs beg for food and medicine, you ungrateful piece of ****. it shows what kind of person you are to call Kosovo the way you do shiptar lover. Goron I go back to Vratnica every summer, I'll find your house not to hard to do(down by the river, right) and then we'll see pedar. The only reason the albanians didn't touch you was because the village is Serbian and we have ties IDIOT! The Macedonian army couldn't do **** to protect you, to busy trying to kiss america's ass. It is the filthy bastards like you who side with albanians over Serbs and Greeks.
U usta da ti svrsham, ebi si ja maykata ne da ti ebi shiptari.




back 30-40 years ago... some ppl from Vratnica region asked the entire area to be administrative annexed to Serbia. Then the major of Vratnica told... in front of all the vratnica citizens. Who is Serbian on the right side of the river Rakita, and who is Macedonian to remain on the left. ONLY three families went on the right side of the river Rakita... The Maceodnians majority remained to live in the left side...

Did your stupid worthless poor piece of **** of a father tell you this. back 30-40 years ago what was Jugoslavija? Communist right pisdo? If anyone dare step up and say they were anything they would have been beaten,jailed or murdered. Only the brave ones stood up and stated that they were Serbian, do you know who they were? Didn't think so! Da ti ebam zemjata i spisok
You'll be sorry pisdo, when you don't know who you are *****ng with keep your mouth shut!

Hey brother, I live in Detroit and my parents are from Vratnica. I agree with you about our roots being from Kosovo;however, after studying many topics on the internet, talking with Serbian people, I'd have to say we're not as Serbian as you may think.

We are Serbian just beacuse we speak "Macedonian" with some Serbian words makes us no less. Macedonians don't even speak Macedonian they speak bulgarian. True Macedonian is Egejsko.

One thing you have to understand is we don't even speak it. That's a number 1 indicator of ethnicity.

You are so wrong, you speak american thus making you american, what kind of reasoning is this. I was born in Vratnica, not like you


Also, Serbians and Serbs from Montenegro, Bosnia, Croatia, Vojvodina never mention Serbs from MK when talking about 'Greater Serbia'. They don't cosider us Serbs even when we tell them we are. Hence we speak different.

Serbs from all the mentioned areas above also all speak differant, it is called a dialect.

Meaning if we speak Vratnicanski they don't understand.

Are you kidding they understand me perfectly, I dated a girl from Beograd who understood me perfect, Serbs from Croatia and Bosnia for whatever reason have a easier time understanding us also.

Many Serbs here in Detroit think Vratnicani are stupid for calling the Church Serbian when they say you guys are Macedonian. Based on that, I feel like a wannabe calling myself Serb but I also feel uncomfortable calling myself Macedonian.

You shouldn't be ashemed of anything we are who we are no one can question that or take that away from us, also being from Vratnica people are jealous of us, this has always ben the case, It is not our fault alot of our people have there own business and know what to do with the money. Have you seen the church, it is the biggest in Michigan, be proud not everyone can do this, 300 families in Michigan and they gathered six million to build the church, the Macedonian church had to take out loans from institutions, how many villages,cities and people are here from Macedonia and they couldn't do what Vratnicka did. BE PROUD, also there were many Serbs from the other churches for the opening of this church. There will always be jealous people.These are the same people that ruined Serbia.

Serbians are very westernized and Macedonians are not. They are open minded with issues like divorce, swearing, not respecting, etc.; however, we are complete opposite of that. Don't feel you need to call yourself a Serb in order to feel strong because they don't back down in Wars.

The reason being Serbs have been in america since the early 1800's of course they are westernized, our parents are first generation to the united states. I can call myself what I call myself because I have traced my family back over six hundred years, don't just read things on the internet do some real research, dig up who you are. The people here in the states hold on to the traditions harder than the people back home do, they all try so hard to be american back home as us here we try so hard to remember the old ways, the better ways.

I've travelled to certain areas of Serbia and South Serbia(Raska and Zeta), and buddy they're very different than us and those are the areas where Serbdom began. Call yourself what you may but understand the points i pointed out.

I have also visited those places and many more, all over the former Jugoslavija in fact, this is a very intermixed region. No one can claim 100% pure ethnicity, everyone comes from somewhere, everyone is mixed with something wheter they believe it or not, from what I have read I believe we came out of Russia the area where the Ukraine is right now, but also I have read alot where we might have come from the Dinaric region, slav not slav, who knows? You have to choose a point where you began your so called ethnicity and start from there. Anyone tells you differant to hell with them, worry about you, no one can change what you feel in your heart, remember "it is not important as to what you wear on your sleeve but what you carry in your heart" All I know is I am 100% ORTHODOX, and for my religon I will do ANYTHING! I also understand that you are confused and ashamed, I also understand your great grand parents, your grand parents or your own parents tought you very little about who you are and were you come from. None the less I enjoyed this time talking with you. Hope to see you in church soon. Who are you? How old are you?

Hey brother, I live in Detroit and my parents are from Vratnica. I agree with you about our roots being from Kosovo;however, after studying many topics on the internet, talking with Serbian people, I'd have to say we're not as Serbian as you may think.

We are Serbian just beacuse we speak "Macedonian" with some Serbian words makes us no less. Macedonians don't even speak Macedonian they speak bulgarian. True Macedonian is Egejsko.

One thing you have to understand is we don't even speak it. That's a number 1 indicator of ethnicity.

You are so wrong, you speak american thus making you american, what kind of reasoning is this. I was born in Vratnica, not like you


Also, Serbians and Serbs from Montenegro, Bosnia, Croatia, Vojvodina never mention Serbs from MK when talking about 'Greater Serbia'. They don't cosider us Serbs even when we tell them we are. Hence we speak different.

Serbs from all the mentioned areas above also all speak differant, it is called a dialect.

Meaning if we speak Vratnicanski they don't understand.

Are you kidding they understand me perfectly, I dated a girl from Beograd who understood me perfect, Serbs from Croatia and Bosnia for whatever reason have a easier time understanding us also.

Many Serbs here in Detroit think Vratnicani are stupid for calling the Church Serbian when they say you guys are Macedonian. Based on that, I feel like a wannabe calling myself Serb but I also feel uncomfortable calling myself Macedonian.

You shouldn't be ashemed of anything we are who we are no one can question that or take that away from us, also being from Vratnica people are jealous of us, this has always ben the case, It is not our fault alot of our people have there own business and know what to do with the money. Have you seen the church, it is the biggest in Michigan, be proud not everyone can do this, 300 families in Michigan and they gathered six million to build the church, the Macedonian church had to take out loans from institutions, how many villages,cities and people are here from Macedonia and they couldn't do what Vratnicka did. BE PROUD, also there were many Serbs from the other churches for the opening of this church. There will always be jealous people.These are the same people that ruined Serbia.

Serbians are very westernized and Macedonians are not. They are open minded with issues like divorce, swearing, not respecting, etc.; however, we are complete opposite of that. Don't feel you need to call yourself a Serb in order to feel strong because they don't back down in Wars.

The reason being Serbs have been in america since the early 1800's of course they are westernized, our parents are first generation to the united states. I can call myself what I call myself because I have traced my family back over six hundred years, don't just read things on the internet do some real research, dig up who you are. The people here in the states hold on to the traditions harder than the people back home do, they all try so hard to be american back home as us here we try so hard to remember the old ways, the better ways.

I've travelled to certain areas of Serbia and South Serbia(Raska and Zeta), and buddy they're very different than us and those are the areas where Serbdom began. Call yourself what you may but understand the points i pointed out.

I have also visited those places and many more, all over the former Jugoslavija in fact, this is a very intermixed region. No one can claim 100% pure ethnicity, everyone comes from somewhere, everyone is mixed with something wheter they believe it or not, from what I have read I believe we came out of Russia the area where the Ukraine is right now, but also I have read alot where we might have come from the Dinaric region, slav not slav, who knows? You have to choose a point where you began your so called ethnicity and start from there. Anyone tells you differant to hell with them, worry about you, no one can change what you feel in your heart, remember "it is not important as to what you wear on your sleeve but what you carry in your heart" All I know is I am 100% ORTHODOX, and for my religon I will do ANYTHING! I also understand that you are confused and ashamed, I also understand your great grand parents, your grand parents or your own parents tought you very little about who you are and were you come from. None the less I enjoyed this time talking with you. Hope to see you in church soon. Who are you? How old are you?

Also why do we celebrate a Slava if we are not Serbs, the Macedonians who do this are just confused Serbs, it is okay come home brothers and sisters I still welcome you.

Man, I was reading this crap and I was laughing my *** off. The vratinica people and their church....hahahah. First off I am not a hatter so I will say congrats to the vratinicani. Second I wanna ask kako ne vie stram da ja narecete Serbian Orthodox Church when the one in vratnica is a Macedonian Church? You know when the time comes to help out the village of vratnica and it's church you all know that you will not be able to do that. The Serbian church will not let you support a Macedonian church...yea that's right the serbian church has full control of vratnica church, meaning everything has to go through belgrad...but anyways that's a whole new subject.

Speaking about Macedonia....We are what we are, we are Macedonians, and that is all that we can be. No serb, grk, or bugar can tell us what we are. Since you all are so much about history, why don't you check out the Treaty of Buchurest in 1913 where Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria split Macedonia in three parts Egejska, Pirinska and Vardarska. This is suppose to be like this for 100 years and it is all suppose to be returned to it's original origin. Now we know that further changing of boarders is imposibble in the Balkans (Well except for Kosovo becoming independent and under Albanian control) sorry to the Serbs but all we ask for from Serbia, bulgaria and greece is a little thing calle human right....It is time to admit that there is Macedonian minorities in Greece and Bulgaria, to let the people speak their own mother tounge, study their own language. Basically when they all admit that there is Macedonians and that we have our own country and culture that's when we can talk on an intelectual level....as of now all of these Srbomani and Grkomani are nothing but STOKA compared to us.

Da Zivee Makedonia

PS: Sarplaninac....just to let you know I was in Macedonian during the war...the only reason the shiptari didn't attack Vratinica and Beloviste is because the MACEDONIAN FORCES were protecting them...not your so called serbian ties...as we would say back home "treba uste da papas pa posle da lapas"

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(Login Makatack) Makedonija za Makedoncite
No score for this post November 7 2005, 7:02 AM



Speaking about Macedonia....We are what we are, we are Macedonians, and that is all that we can be. No serb, grk, or bugar can tell us what we are.

albanians tell you everyday in Macedonia what to do or when to talk or even go to the bathroom

as of now all of these Srbomani and Grkomani are nothing but STOKA compared to us.

How can you say that when Greece owns EVERYTHING in Macedonia, do you work for Teteks, when was the last time you collected a paycheck? LOL and the Greeks and Serbs are the stoka, no it is you for kissing the ass of every albanian because you are SCARED sh*tless of them!

Da Zivee Makedonia yes neka zive, but the real Maceonia the Egecej not Serb or bugar parts, also do you celebrate a Slava?

PS: Sarplaninac....just to let you know I was in Macedonian during the war...the only reason the shiptari didn't attack Vratinica and Beloviste is because the MACEDONIAN FORCES were protecting them...not your so called serbian ties...as we would say back home "treba uste da papas pa posle da lapas"

You have no idea what you are talking about, do you know who from Vratnica has a high ranking position in Beograd? Look into it, this is why Serbian helicopters also flew over Vratnica not Macedonian ones, you can't even control the local highway and you talk all this gomna?

do you celebrate a Slava?
do you celebrate a Slava?
do you celebrate a Slava?

Don't worry, if and when the time comes to aid Vratnica because of civil unrest be assured we will like we did in 2001. We sent a couple trucks full of food and other necessities. We will take care of our own, but also any villages around Tetovo. We're not anti-Macedonian, as many of you Tetovcani are anti-Serbian. We can argue the fact that you're 'Macedonian' but we don't. Why would you call any Slav in MK a 'Srboman', just because he identities himself as a Serb? People then would have to apply that to Serbs in other republics like Bosnia, Croatia, CG, etc. Look at the Serbs that live in Croatia, they use Croatian words even though they're Serbian people. Minorities tend to the language of the country they live in. Example, in Montenegro there are Albanian Catholics who today bapitze their children with Serbian names and dont even now how to speak Albanian.

Even though there are 30000 people who've officially identified themselves as Serbs in MK the actuall count is larger. For example, my Grandmother identified herself as a Macedonian on the census, but told me she had to because they live in Macedonia. She went on to say they are Serbs by roots but said that was a long time ago. My point, there are many of thousands like that. Why are there people that are soo pro-Serbian in Tetovo and other cities? Because they now their roots!! Macedonia is a Orthodox country, so to the natives as long as they don't lose their privilege to Orthodoxy they don't mind calling themselves Macedonian. Many even say Macedonian/Serb, its we're the same people. Plus, people there are soo poor the last thing they care about is if they're MK or Serb. That's us on the outside that instigate those topics. Now if Macedonia was a Catholic country but the tetovcani were a minority Orthodox Slav people speaking our half Serbian/Macedonian dialect, I'd bet all everyone would say they're Serbian. Meaning it would be a lot easier to say it. Same thing in Croatia. If it was a Orthodox country all the Serbs their would claim their Orthodox Croatian.

You can't single out Serbs and say there aren't any Serbs in MK. Sure there is, we live in the balkans where boundaries have never been accurate. Remember, our parents grew up in jugoslavia. There was no mention of nationalism or you'd be jailed. Our grandparents were born in South Serbia, and our greatgrandparents born in the Ottaman Empire but knowing they were Serbian!! Macedonia has a Slavic pop of about 1.15 million. Out of that figure its MY opinion that there is about 300,000 people of Serbian descent.

thank god. there is ONE with brain in this forum. Yoi are right, every single word that U wrote up, back there. The ppl originate from the KOSOVO area... very true.

As for our boy who calls himself Sharplaninec (btw, plz don't call yourself like that).
Let me tell you wgat you are, you are Serboman-translating directly Serbian Lover-a Macedonian that likes the Serbs.

anyway, go to vratnica and aks if anyone seems to feel/declare him Serb, nowadays (if in the past all of them were serbs.

P.S. C.C.C.C. Samo Sloga Srbina Spashava - IN VRATNICA MEANS Serko Sere Srede Selo. My friend from Vratnica told me this one.

Have a nice day.

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(Login goranata) PHANTON100
No score for this post November 7 2005, 7:09 PM



As for our boy who calls himself Sharplaninec (btw, plz don't call yourself like that).
Let me tell you wgat you are, you are Serboman-translating directly Serbian Lover-a Macedonian that likes the Serbs. Why shouldn't Macedonians like Serbs, supelko

anyway, go to vratnica and aks if anyone seems to feel/declare him Serb, nowadays (if in the past all of them were serbs.
Really is this why people who have recently passed away choose to have there given Serbian names on the tombstones?

P.S. C.C.C.C. Samo Sloga Srbina Spashava - IN VRATNICA MEANS Serko Sere Srede Selo. My friend from Vratnica told me this one.
Why do you wannabe "Macedonians" hate Serbs so much? Your friend from Vratnica, I thought you were from Vratnica? I'll be back in the summer Goran, we will see how many Gorans that live in Skopje have a house down by the river.

You all are right, you can go to the old grave sites in Makedonija and find "serbian" last names, names that end on "ic". Macedonia was occupied by serbia for a greater part of almost 40 years, during which time all Macedonians were forced to change their last names to an "ic" ending. In 1945 when Tito gave the Macedonian people their rights back he also said that they were free to change their last names back to what is was "vski" and most of us if not all of us did. That is why in the old grave sites you will see names ending on "ic" and not because they were all serbs. Now I don't deny that their are serbs in Macedonia, of course there is but it is kind of hard to belive the number of 300000 that was given by someone. Also it is kind of hard to believe that there are so many serbs when most of the people that claim to be serb and are born in Macedonia are the ones that live in the Detroit region. There was an incident with one of the people from Vratnica, he got kidnapped and beaten durring the war and when his brother from the states went back there to look for his brother he could not find him and the reason was because the vratnicanec from US changed his last name to "ic" after coming to the US and the brother in Vratnica was with a "vski" ending. And what was leter on found out is that the "vski" brother along with everybody in Vratinica (relatives) and in Macedonia for that fact and also there were some relatives living in Belgrad were all "vski" and this only smart *** from US changed his last name to "ic" which now no one in the family talks to him. So you can not say that he is really serb and rest of the fam is not....Anyways, like I said before I don't deny serbs in Macedonia you can be what you want to be however don't tell me what I am. Someone mentioned that us Macedonians hate serbs, NO, I think it is the other way around. Also someone mentioned that the "Serbian Helicopters" were flying around vratinica.....hahahahah that is the funniest **** I have ever heard of, if a Serbian Helicopter so much as went close to the border with Macedonia it would of been shot down so fast by the NATO in Kosovo it's not even funny. Maybe you don't recall that serbia was a no fly zone during the wars, especially around Kosovo, or maybe you just choose not to remember....hahahaha. Anyways get you facts together and then talk.
PS: What happened when the vratinicani from Detroit sent help to the serbs in Bosnia during the Bosnian war: I beleive the the response was "FALA VAM BRACO MAKEDONCI"....hahahahah

I can tell you first hand I had a grandfather who came to the states in 1903 with 'ic' ending. Look at the year. That was before South Serbia, during the Ottoman Empire. There has always been a Serbian conscious in Vratnica and other nearby states. Yea, its easier for us Podgorcani in the states to keep Serbdom alive because the majority are here. Not to mention all the old people talk about it. They are the true facts. You can't tell a person born in 1915 that his father who was born in 1860 and told him they're Serbs are not!! Today's Vratnicani have been assimilated politically and educationally. For example, during my parents yrs in vratnica they use to say 'tache' 'vache'. Today all the youngsters say 'taka' 'vake' etc. People of Rogacevo spoke clear Serbian 100 yrs ago. My point, in only 30yrs since my parents left people of vratnica have developed a truer Mak dialect. Do you think all the detriot Podgorcani are smoking weed when they all know their serb roots? If it was 1 person I'd say whatever as well. Just so you know in 1847 Tetovo had Serbian schools in place, i believe 4 of them. that was a lot for that time. 1 of those places was Siricino, a poselji selo...dig that! That was way before all the politics of vmro and treaty of bucherest began. Also, there were many Montenegrins who moved to tetovo in 1842. i shouldn't say many but more than 20 families. they moved there because of the austrian war against the turks that took place around raska/sandzak. many of those serbs were displaced into Slavonija, Croatia.

Phantom you don't have to tell me who you are now, if you claim your grandfather came to america in 1903 there was only one guy from the village, he was the first ,Djero Antoski/Antic. This is your grandfather? If this is then I know who you and your family are.

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(Login Makatack) Samo za Makedonci
No score for this post November 7 2005, 10:42 PM


PS: What happened when the vratinicani from Detroit sent help to the serbs in Bosnia during the Bosnian war: I beleive the the response was "FALA VAM BRACO MAKEDONCI"....hahahahah

What village are you from, also do you have a link to the above mentioned or is this like "you" claim to be Macedonian.

All you filthy poor dogs back home beg us on a daily basis for SOMETHING. Get a job, oh I forgot there are none in Present day Macedonia, unless you don't mind letting the shiptare prostitute your sisters.

Yes I have everything to do with this topic.....Samo za Makedonci...which mean me and people like me MAKEDONCI. And second of all I never had to ask for anything from anybody, I am doing just fine all by myself. And if by any chance I needed something from someone I would never go to any Vratnicanac or anyone from the Tetovo area for that fact, because most of them will be willing to help but they will but you through hell for it, they automatically think they own you.

Second if you are such a hatter what are you doing here? What do you have to gain by being here exept to stir up ****.

All I have to say to you is that if you look on the current map Macedonia is it's own country, which includes the village of vratnica in it. Let's focus on the future and not on the past. You can be whatever you want to be, I really don't care just don't speak for everybody, everyone is their own person and we all know what we are, we don't need you to tell us. Your opinion is your opinion. I can sit here all night telling you about facts but I really don't feel like it. As for my opinion....Macedonia was, is and it always will be.....even with all of the hating going around we still survive, from Aleksandar Makedonski and still kicking 2500 years later

DJERO ANTOSKI/ ANTIC was the grand grandfather of another friend of mine from Vratnica also, He lives in Stepanovci area. Sharplaninec and Phantom100 do you read this?

And phantom100 you are right about takje, vakje, that is a common Tetovo dialect, especially from the vratnica area. And it hasn't changed. Believe me. If you come next summer there, you'll see it...

And what's up to you Sharplaninsko momce, if you come next year in Vratnica, that will be very very nice. Maybe if I am there (cause I don't go very often-cause I do not have relatives there) maybe I will have the opportinuty to teach you something historical, cutlural- EDUCATIONALI'm sure you need it...

best regards.
p.s. where do you have a house there and whose familiy do you belong to? anyway how old are you boy?


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(Login goranata) xaxaxa.
No score for this post November 8 2005, 5:12 PM

And what's up to you Sharplaninsko momce, if you come next year in Vratnica, that will be very very nice. Dont' talk **** you can't BACK UP,YOU BETTER KNOW WHO THE F*CK YOU THINK YOU ARE TALKING TO!
Maybe if I am there (cause I don't go very often-cause I do not have relatives there) maybe I will have the opportinuty to teach you something historical, cutlural- EDUCATIONALI'm sure you need it...I thought you had a house there LIAR! Anyways I will find the house,feel sorry if it is someone elses, because of the crap you talk it will probally cost someone else.

Don't worry I wont be HARD to FIND in June, all you roaches there flock to us to buy you drinks and food beacuse you animals have NOTHING!

Don't worry I wont be HARD to FIND in June, all you roaches there flock to us to buy you drinks and food beacuse you animals have NOTHING!



This just proves how intellegent you are....people back home are roaches to you....I hope they find out who you are cause I believe that the people of vratnica and everywhere else im Mak have pride, and the attitude above will just get your *** kicked

Sram da ti bide, calling your own people roaches, sorry that they don't have the same opportunity as you...

peace

Sramota
(Login Makatack) Re: Samo za Makedonsi
No score for this post November 8 2005, 8:07 PM

Don't worry I wont be HARD to FIND in June, all you roaches there flock to us to buy you drinks and food beacuse you animals have NOTHING!



This just proves how intellegent you are....people back home are roaches to you....I hope they find out who you are cause I believe that the people of vratnica and everywhere else im Mak have pride, and the attitude above will just get your *** kicked

Sram da ti bide, calling your own people roaches, sorry that they don't have the same opportunity as you...

peace

I go back every summer and I SPEAK freely that I am Serbian NOBODY has KICKED my ass yet, why should they because I say I am Serbian. Not all people back home our roaches, I said the ones that flock to us, you know who they are. You are probally one of them! Also any Makedonac that says shiptare are people just like us is a ROACH.

alo makedonsite
http://www.geocities.com/mac_truth/secrets/berlin.html

May I know who am I speaking to??? please tell... me...

I really look forward of meeting you. WHY? Because at least I have good relations to the MACEDONIAN living people of Vratnica. I have many friends there. Many friends that respect this site http://makedonija.cjb.net that I have created.

ANyway I don't take back the words that I have told to you. I admit that is an offense. But more offensive are your primary mentioned. Vratnica is serbian, real macedonian live in northern greece (aegean macedonia) and the rest of SLavic people living in macedonia are bulgarians.

That's is why I look forward of meeting with you. We'll seat somewhere in Vratnica, and I togerther with my friends from Vratnica Nebojsha and Alexander (DJ Alex de la Force), are gonna teach you history lessons about Macedonia, the Macedonian nation and the MACEDONIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH...

have a nice year (meanwhile I don't want to hear a word from you).

ENJOY
p.s. Ask MR. Slavko MIlosavlevski from Vratnica (THE ex macedonian ambasador in SCG-what is he Macedonian or Serb, cause he declared himself a Macedonian). I also know his grandaughter,-she's mine friend here in Skopje (she is a Macedonian, too)

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(Login goranata) SHARPLANINSKO MOMCE...
No score for this post November 9 2005, 2:53 PM

That's is why I look forward of meeting with you. We'll seat somewhere in Vratnica, and I togerther with my friends from Vratnica Nebojsha and Alexander (DJ Alex de la Force), are gonna teach you history lessons about Macedonia, the Macedonian nation and the MACEDONIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH...F U and your "Macedonian" friends, Those little skinny pieces of sh*t, wow now I am so SCARED. LOL
Also what about the Macedonian church, the one that NO Orthodox church or officil recognizes! You think you can have your "own" church your own laws and your own made up country! LOL
Your mother and father are sinners since they are really not married, also when will "your" Orthodox church combine with the catholic one? What will you do then?

have a nice year (meanwhile I don't want to hear a word from you).
Listen PISDO, you can talk all you want but I SWEAR ON ANYTHING HOLLY OR ANYTHING YO WORSHIP THAT WHEN I COME ACROSS YOU, YOU WILL BE SORRY THAT YOU EVER OPENED YOUR MOUTH, I SWEAR TO YOU! YOU WANT TO GAT A GROUP OF GUYS AND WAIT FOR ME THIS SUMMER? PLEASE DO! I'LL KNOCK THE FU*K OUT OF ALL OF YOU ONE BY ONE, OR YOU PISDE CAN JUMP ME ALL AT ONCE BECAUSE YOU ARE DOGS LIKE THE albanians THAT YOU HANG AROUND WITH!

Tell me something,what will you do when the majority of the village will die due to that fact that they are old, you young kids have moved away,and there aren't that many people left there and the shiptare take whatever they want? Who will you ask for help. You don't need to deny anyones heritage, you feel Macedonian, how? True Makedonce our people of the south and people of north Greece, you have nothing to do with Makedonce. If anything you can show your are Serbian or bugar. This is why today you guys speak bugarsko. AS FOR YOU AND ME I CAN'T WAIT, I WANT JUST ME AND YOU, I AM BEGGING YOU TO "TEACH" ME SOMETHING!

I never mentioned about "teaching" you. I never even mentioned of kickin' your azz in Vratnica. I just told you that If I have a chance of meeting you, I will tell you (teach you) about the Macedonian history...

WHY I FEEL SORRY for you? Because you are nothin' else than uneducated person.

bye bye

anyway are you still afraid of telling me your name?

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http://macedonia.co.nr

1. WHAT's you full name?
2. Which family do you belong?
3. Where is your house in Vratnica?

answer this...

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(Login goranata) AJDE KOPILE sega ti si na red...
No score for this post November 9 2005, 7:10 PM

1. WHAT's you full name?
2. Which family do you belong?
3. Where is your house in Vratnica?

answer this...
1.Ebemti Majku
2.I belong to the Hoover Crips...West siiiiiiide
3.It's the BIGGEST one in Vratnica

Budalo, I will not tell you who I am. I will do everything I told you I would. This I promise you, and if I can't then I will PAY some cigan or shiptar to FU*K you and your family up. It's nice to have money, you can get many things accomplished. I told you "don't talk **** when you don't know who the FU*K your dealing with, now learn the hard way.

ebem ti majku-vratnicku gu jebu na kamenu iznad selo...

JAs znam so kogo si imam rabotu... so malo dete (deriste)

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http://www.vratnica.5u.com/fsguestbook.html
www.1225-vratnica.com
www.vratnica.net

ajde idi jadi gomna na vratnicani... pa da znaes sto te ceka na leto 2006

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(Login goranata) Kopilence srpsko-cetnik
No score for this post November 9 2005, 9:45 PM

http://www.vratnica.5u.com/fsguestbook.html
www.1225-vratnica.com
www.vratnica.net

ajde idi jadi gomna na vratnicani... pa da znaes sto te ceka na leto 2006

WHO THE FU8K YOU THINK YOU ARE TALKING TOO. I AM NOT A CHILD, WHEN I COME THERE I SWEAR YOU WILL BE BEGGING, THAT YOU WERE ONLY JOKING. I WILL PAY SHIPATRI AND CIGANI HUNDREDS OF EUROS TO FU8K YOU UP. DON'T THINK I AM A KID PISDO U GODINA SAM. WE WILL SEE WHEN THEY DRAG YOUR ASS THROUGH THE VILLAGE HOW YOU WILL BE CRYING.

I know your not from the village but you know what if you do not exsist, the people you named Nebojsha and Alex(because I know who they are exactly) I'll make sure they get what you have coming. The euro goes along way! I also am going to send Alex a copy of this so he can see the trouble you are getting his ass in!
Sase Antic (Alex De La Force)
"Simce Nastovski"
**** Vratnica
Macedonia, Europe

* URL address :
http://www.alexdelaforce.tk

thank you very very much for doin' that favour for me... I was gonna call him later today...

thanx in advance... hope to meet you and your euros in Vratnica...(I think there were dollars in USA).

I can't believe-abre momce-cafka da ne ti go izela umot, more?!

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(Login goranata) Re: Samo za Makedonsi
No score for this post November 9 2005, 10:58 PM

thank you very very much for doin' that favour for me... I was gonna call him later today...

thanx in advance... hope to meet you and your euros in Vratnica...(I think there were dollars in USA).

I can't believe-abre momce-cafka da ne ti go izela umot, more?!

Yes they are dollars in america, but the euro is so much stronger, no one wants the dollar over the euro. Let alex know his beating is because of you. KEEP PLAYING YOU THINK THIS IS FUNNY AND SOME LITTLE KID, I GUARNATEE YOU A AM AT LEAST EIGHT YEARS OLDER THAN YOU.

You are at least 8 times more stupid than the dumbest person on this forum. But you are a Serb, it is normal...

Hey, I just wanted to know? in the first message you mentioned about your village being 100% albanian. Then you must be from Jazhince, Globochica, Neraste, Slatino or Dzepciste, cause all the other village are mixed (Tearce, Prsovce, Dobroste, Neporsteno, Odri), while Lesok, Vratnica, Staro Selo, Rogachevo and Belovishte are pure Macedonian.

May I at least know the village you come from?
p.s. I am starting to like this znaiko.

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First my last name is not that I don't have a grandfather/s my that last name. Do your homework, there were others from the village that left that time. I personally don't know anyone by that last name?

Guys stop threatening and swearing at each other, this is only internet. Put your pride aside. We're just talking history, and history has many sides to a story. Just remember the one who rules the land always writes history to his liking. We can speculate, but no one exactly knows what and who we were.

There were Slavs in Kosovo before 12th century but they weren't Serbs, that was after. What's important is what you feel inside, but remember Vratnicani don't speak Serbian, and our dialect in Vratnica is of Macedonian not Serbian.

Example of a Serbian dialect:

- Belo (Serbian proper), Bijelo (Montenegro), Bilo (Dalmatcija)
- These dialects are called Ekavci, Ijkavci, and Ikavci. There are also sub-dialects like; Timocki, Torlacki, Moravci, etc., but nothing indicated in Macedonia that we speak a Serb dialect.

Example of MK dialect:

- Denesk and Danaska (Vratnica style)
- Cera and Jucera (Vratnica) and Juce (Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, Bosna, Vojvodina, Croatia, but not in Vratnica)

- How could 14 million speakers around X Yugoslavia keep their Serbian language, but our Vratnicani that live on the border not speak Serbian?
1. They never spoke it, even the one's that came from Kosovo.
2. There was never pride in Vratnica or Tetovo about being Serbian.

Most importantly, Vratnicani are Serbs!!!! Nothing above matters because something no one can disprove is what's in our blood and hearts!

Sorry but back in the 1960's and before people use to say 'Tache' Vache' and not 'Takje' 'Vakje'

Read up on you history boyz.

Peace

Ti be nepismen izgleda stvarno si Planinsko momce kako sto kazuvas.. Od koja pestera si izlegol si si otisol tamu da teras biznis so FURNI i RESTORANI, da prodavas DONATI, DA PARKIRAS KAR NA STRIT, DA IDES NA RIVER RAKITA u VRATNICA be DJUBRE EdNo!! P*cka edna anonimna ke se zakanuva tuka, dojdi vo Vratnica be kopile edno, kaj bese 2001 vo vojnata koga site pobegnavte kako P*CKI koga Makedoncite vi gi branea kukite GOLEMI koi ste gi izgradile i vo koi ne zivee nikoj.

Pobegnavte site ko P*CKI najgolemi odma so prviot avtobus. Vie uste ne znaete da zborite ni Makedonski, ni Sprski ni Angliski, ne ste izlegle cel zivot od FURNA do doma idete so KAR-oj nekoj Lexusi sto vi gi kupile tatkovcite pred 40 godini pa ne vi se davaat na vas pari da kupite novi.

Kaj najde ti da se zakanuvas ovde be anonimen, da bese ti pismen ke znaese deka ne se pisuva sarPANinsko tuku sarPLANinsko. Koga ke dojdes vo Vratnica veruvaj mi deka ti ke zalazis za sve ova. Ke se potrudam da ti go smenat tvojot FACIAL DESCRIPTION vo 3 sekundi, ako se nakurcam do tolku ke jades i PENDRECI od drugarcinjata od RPS Vratnica. !! Ti si obicen manijak sto po cel den sedi u furna, jade i surfa na srbomanski sajtovi. Ajde POZDRAV!

PIZDO where are U?

you got afraid of these people that want to kick you azz...

jesus stupid kidz. WHat is the future with ppl like you anyway?!

http://makedonija.cjb.net
http://macedonia.co.nr

Ha HaHa Fyromyans are afraid to face the truth.Sarplaninsko momce Go on.Kick theyr asses. tell them they are Bulgarians

Anonymus
(Login goranata) Hey SHarplaninskomomce - PISDO
No score for this post November 10 2005, 7:59 PM

PIZDO where are U?

you got afraid of these people that want to kick you azz...

jesus stupid kidz. WHat is the future with ppl like you anyway?!

I told you I am in Detroit, and that last post By eclipse tell him I love his big ears and bowl cut! LOL
Did you copy and paste that off the Vratnica web site you loser. I read that same post a month ago. LOL
Affraid of nothing it is you that is affraid of some cigan or shiptar BEATING your ass. Don't worry I still have PLENTY of family in the village I'll send them money and tell them to give it to someone to **** the SH*T out of you and anyone else that wants to talk SH*T!

Yes what is the future, NEVER forget where YOU came from, just because you live in Present day Makedonija doesn't mean you are a "Makedonac". If this was the way we all felt here in america, then we would be amerikonce, but WE WILL NEVER BE. If we didn't care gomno than we wouldn't go home every year and hold on to OUR traditions, unlike you, they brainwashed you in school and now you think you are something that you are NOT. No matter how long I live in america or where ever I will always be a Jugosloven,Serbian,Makedonac AND A VRATNICANAC. Why do you hate us, because we have money you can to if you work for it instead of sitting at the bife all day smoking LORDS and drinking Skopjsko, or climbing to Ljuboton every other day, go get a JOB like we have and save your money. Don't hate us for what we have accomplished and you have NOT! NE SAM TI KRIV
nemoj da me mrzis sto tatko mi imala sansa da dojde u amerika da napraje zivot za svoja familija, a tatko ti tvoj ostanal tamo da muze krave...i majka ti
You don't need to get mad that I say I am SERBIAN, what is it to you, besides being JEALOUS,no reason to be, we have what we have because we worked hard for it, the reason alot of you are not here is because you do not have the work ethic, you are lazy! Also excuse you I drive a Corvette not a Lexus, 2006, Ganz Novo. But you have that nice Fiju, doubt you even have that.

Stepanovci, Siskovci, Dlabocani, Kocevci, Stanisovci, Vasilevci, Golomevci, Danecevci, Dobrocevci, Peovci, Todorovci, Kostanecevci, Madzicevci, Maskocevci, Mojsicevci, Kraguljevci, Dabocevci and Papudzini
hehe this is had kososvo names

more of them sound so bulgarian.

he he
1913 when bulgaria lost the war we lost our rights and bulgarians in maceonia lost their rights if we were winner will be diffrent .
was funny that serbians greeks, romanians and turks fight against bulgaria.

the present fyromanians deny their real great history .
Gorana you are ex communist I like you but ... you are not right in some points.

About the serbs your great shovinist but some of th e serbians speak more close language to bulgarian that to serbian, even some of them don't sepak serbian but name themself serbian all of this is result of great propaganda.

he he how funny are serbians and ex communist in macedonian they sound pure bulgarians more pure then present bulgarians, but they didn't knoiw this.

Ej Sarplaninec, tukusto gledam na Google Earth kako nekoj CRNEC ti ja e*e ZENA ti!! Ja mali ushi imam imaku, ne sum sharplaninec kako tebe. Aj Pozdrav! Go back to FURNA!!

eclipse-x
(Login eclipse-x) Za SHARKO!
No score for this post November 11 2005, 5:48 PM

Ej Sarplaninec, tukusto gledam na Google Earth kako nekoj CRNEC ti ja e*e ZENA ti!! Ja mali ushi imam imaku, ne sum sharplaninec kako tebe. Aj Pozdrav! Go back to FURNA!!

Zalostan ja ne shvatiti bugarski, can anyone please tell me what he is trying to say? LOL
Also you hate "us" americans so much that you go be an american name (Eclipse-X) BUDALO, this is just like you bugari you have no idea who the hell you are! Don't HATE me, Hate tito he made you believe you were something you are NOT!

Go back to FURNA!!


Oaky ja volja vratiti za odreðeni clan pekara , JA potreba novac. Te pravedan san svi danje svetlo zato te biti lenj pa u depresiji. Te imati nijedan zivot NISTA za ziv umjesto , ici objesiti se bugar. ljubomoran zato te imati nijedan pare majmun.

Jel ti pricas srpski jebote? Ja ovo ti ne razumem, ako si SRBIN pricaj srpski, a ne engliski. Ustvari svahtam te.. Ti ne znas ni srpski ni engleski, vec neki srbomanski dijalekt koj samo vi amerikanci koristite. IDIOT!!

> Oaky ja volja vratiti za odreðeni clan pekara , JA potreba novac

Ti ne potreba NOVAC, ti potreba MOZAK!!

Hey can you speak english, try...Why do you go by an american name, are you a wanna-be dj or a mc...you *****NG IDIOTS are hillarious. I heard you sold 2 mix tapes enough for your mother not to give the shiptare head for at least two days so your family can eat! LOL

You know what you need an ETHNICITY,CULTURE,RELIGON, instead of stealing the Greeks, you bugar.

Albanian people f*ck your KOSOVO girls ONLY, not Macedonian girls. That's fact!! Soon they'll takeover KOSOVO, so you should better think a little about that instead of selling me cheap bulls*it here! Bye!

eclipse-x
(Login eclipse-x) KOSOVO
No score for this post November 11 2005, 6:51 PM

Albanian people f*ck your KOSOVO girls ONLY, not Macedonian girls. That's fact!! Soon they'll takeover KOSOVO, so you should better think a little about that instead of selling me cheap bulls*it here! Bye!

Is this why you bugari go into albania to buy brides? You guys have one of the BIGGEST whores right there in Vratnica, the shiptare pick her up everynight, who are you kidding!

also bugar don't post pictures of your tato, it's disrespectful. I'll give you a chance as so you go go translate all of these english words. LOL

Come on are you down translating everything yet? LOL
You need to get a faster server schmulo

eclipse-x
(Login eclipse-x) KOSOVO
No score for this post November 11 2005, 6:51 PM

albanian people f*ck your KOSOVO girls ONLY, not Macedonian girls.

Probally due to the fact that they have bigger mustaches than the shiptare and they also have hairy armpits.

Eclipse american wanna-be,kuda biti te. Your connection freeze? LOL

NOw I don't want you to come to Vratnica next summer. NOW I AM F*CKIN' begging you to buy an air****inplane ticket...

You will have a nice MACEDONIAN welcome, even the first day. Don't worry.

Hope to see you soon...
stupid ****er...
please come with your mother, father , sestra ti (I hope she is nice to ****). Anyway as my friend eclipse-x mentioned me once, come to vratnica, we are gonna **** the young girls from U.S.A.

C-Ya sucker!

http://makedonija.cjb.net
http://macedonia.co.nr

so if my parents were born in Macedonia and I only know to speak english than I'm not macedonian right? Wrong i'd still be Macedonian. The only problem for you is we're from Serbia by roots, regardles that we don't speak it that's what we are still.

How can you be Macedonian when you don't speak what Alexsandar the great spoke?

Watch what you say, because you set yourself up for contridiction.

davno sam prestao pisat na ovom idiotskom forumu, ali vidjevsi ova preseravanja sarplaninskog dzukca, nisam mogao da odolim.
odmah da pitam,
pa kakav si ti srbin, picka ti materina seljacka, kad ne znas ni s od srpskog?

to sto ti pricas sa srpskim veze nema. majmune jedan, svaki hrvat ima vise veze sa srbima nego ti, pa da se po sto puta pises i zoves srbinom. pa i ovi pravoslavni turci, sto bi silom htjeli biti grci barem znaju grcki. a ti ni toliko...nisi vise ni makedonac, odnarodio si se...ti si jedna obicna seoska dzukela.....joooooooj seljacina sa sarplanine i jos iz dijaspore.... pa vi dijsporici, iz bivse juge generalno, vi ste (ne svi, ali ogromna vecina) takva govna, kakva ovaj svijet jos nije upamtio ni vidio, a bogami, nece jos zadugo......vidim, drzis nam neke prodike, u stilu, mi neradnici i nemamo posla, a vi ste kao radnici i imate posao...

mamu vam jebem seljacku,
svi vi koji ste isli u dijasporu od 1945. do 1990., bili ste i ostali zadnji najprimitivniji i najneobrazovaniji suftovi.
da ste skole i fakultete zavrsili, ne bi vi isli preko bijela svijeta, vec bi u jugi nasli dobar posao i dobro bi bili placeni pa bi zivjeli ko carevi.

em sto ste bili neobrazovani primitivci, vi sa sela( a koji ste otisli u dijaspori zaradjivati novce), bili ste i nevidjene ljenstine i neradnici. kako to znam?
pa svi ste zemlju i stoku imali. neko manje, neko vise, ali ste uglavnom svi imali. da ste htjeli drzat imanje, imali bi i vise od onog sto vam treba. ali jok. seosko tele lijeno i neradnik, a uz to jos i priglupo. pa mislilo da u americi dolari rastu na grani. kad tamo....IZNENADJENJE ....pranje wc-a, fizicki poslovi tipa lucki radnik, istovaranje kamiona, fizikaner u fabrici, itd, itd....
a nemoj mislit da se ne zna kako ste tamo zivjeli i kako i dan danas zivi velika vecina vas sto se niste uspjeli obogatit....stiscete se ko zadnje picke za svaki dolar, hranite se konzervama, stedite na toalet papiru, gledate da ne popijete i pojedete nesto vani, da ne bi slucajno morali platit i taj mjesec manje ustedit.... e onda kad skupite nesto para, ko prave balkanske seljacine, prvo sto kupujete je bijesan auto. da vidi okolina kako ste uspjeli u novoj sredini, tj. primitivci kakvi i jeste, komunicirate statusnim simbolima. a to sto vam je kuci kada zahrdjala, dijete zeljno pravog mlijeka, a ne onog u prahu, a zena vam pere tudja stubista za 6 $ po satu(ako i toliko), to, ko fol, nema veze....
e serem vam se na vase statusne simbole i seljacku pamet....


elem, u tom dolazi i ljeto, vrijeme godisnjih odmora....naravno, ne dolazi se svake godine iz amerike(jebiga, skup let.... dok platis kartu sebi, zeni i djeci, ode toliko para, od kojih vi, vasim sugavim zivotom kojim tamo zivite, mozete zivjet, brat bratu, 2 godine). barem je tako bilo prije, mozda sada i dolazite svake godine, s obzirom da danas ima jeftinih letova. aj nek vam bude, eto dolazite svake godine...

e, onda kad stignete, ono glavno i najvaznije zbog cega ste dosli mora se prvo obaviti. a to je odlazak kod zubara zbog popravka pokvarenih zuba, stavljanja plombi, proteza.... a to radite kod nas, jer ste u americi (ili bilo gdje drugo u svijetu) toliki bijednici da to tamo ne mozete platiti.

i svi to znaju, i svi vam se smiju, a vi budale kakve i jeste, mislite da ste u ocima domacih, neke face...eeee kukala vam majka....

a ono sto gore kazes, da kad dodjes, domaci te mole da im placas hranu i pice pa su zbog toga za tebe zohari....e pa to samo takve budale kao sto ste vi, telad iz dijaspore, mogu mislit.
u najboljem slucaju,
oni vam prodaju fore, podilaze vam, laskaju na racun toga sto ste vi, kobajagi, u bijelom svijetu uspijeli, a vi im zauzvrat placate jer vam to, ko i svakom priglupom seoskom magaretu, hrani vas magareci ego. a onda kad im okrenete ledja, oni vam se grohotom smiju.

u najgorem slucaju (koji je vrlo cest u krajevima zahvacenim nedavnim ratom, u kojima se dijasporici percepiraju kao dezerteri), vi im MORATE placati i hranu i pice i kurve i sve sto pozele, jer jedino tako mozete izbjeci razne vrste psihofizickih maltretiranja uzrokovana vasim izbjegavanjem vojne obaveze za vrijeme trajanja nedavnih ratova ( dje si bio kad je grmilo?).


mater vam jebem,
zobg tebe i takvih kao sto si ti, svud po svijetu, tebe i mene gledaju istim ocima,jer smo, kobajagi, iste krvi. drze nas za primitivnu, nekulturnu i neobrazovanu stoku. a imam vise skole od tebe i tvoje kompletne majmunske familije.

dzukac,
ako ti jos uvijek nije jasno, vas dijasporu, mi ovde posebno mrzimo. ne zato sto ste srbi, hrvati, makedonci, bosanci,(ista ste govna svi odreda) itd....vec zato sto ste najgori oblik primitivnog balkanskog seljacine.

da te pitam nesto ozbiljno...
KOME TI PRIJETIS, PICKA LI TI MATERINA, DJUBRE JEDNO SELJACKO..HAJDE KAD SI MUDONJA, NAPISI IME I PREZIME, DA SVI ZNAMO. MA NAPISAT CES GA KURAC MOJ, JASNO JE DA SI TI JEDNA OBICNA PICKETINA(CITAJ OVO PONOVO:OBICNA PICKETINA!!!)... U CEMU JE PROBLEM BURAZERU?

TELE JEDNO, DOK TI GLUMIS FRAJERA PO FURUMU, DVA TI CRNCA ZENU RASTEZU...

PRIJETIS TU PO INTERNETU A,
GDJE SI BIO KAD JE RAT BIO, PICKO JEDNA? GLEDO GA NA TV-U DOK SU TI MAKEDONCI KUCU CUVALI. NABIJEM TE NA KURAC, JESI CUO MAJMUNE? A SAD NADJI NEKOG DA TI OVO PREVEDE...JEBEM LI TI KEVU FOLIRANTSKU...

Phantom100 that wasn't mentioned for you. As I told you I have no problems with you or with your opinions...

I respect you I some way, after you said what has the Ohrid Church done to the Serbian church of Pech, through the history... (baptizing and other).

I still hope, If you come in Vratnica we can meet each other.

Best regards,
Goran
p.s. is this Sharplaninskomomce lunatic or???

http://makedonija.cjb.net
http://macedonia.co.nr

he definitely doesn't history, and he's probably no older than 20yrs old. its all nationalistic talk based on only what he's heard from his parents.

I will stop posting know since this is all non sense and swearing.

BRAVO. You are the poet bro...

And everything you wrote. Every single f*ckin' word is TRUE.

anyway where od you come from? state/city? You are probably serbian right?

http://makedonija.cjb.net
http://macedonia.co.nr

Sarplanince, primitivno sustestvo od planinite, NITKOV dobro ti go spusti. Follow phantom's opinion and STOP posting! Stop using the Internet because it is intended for civilized people, not people like you. Regards!

Anonymous
(Login phantom100) Re: Samo za Makedonsi
No score for this post November 12 2005, 2:31 PM

he definitely doesn't history, and he's probably no older than 20yrs old. its all nationalistic talk based on only what he's heard from his parents.

I will stop posting know since this is all non sense and swearing.

What are you talking about? You know history, syas who? You,just because you read stuff on the internet makes you something? Do you have a degree? In what, what do you do for a living?
Yeah you should stop posting because you don't wanna get your head knocked in when you aint looking at a picnic or event!

eclipse-x
(Login eclipse-x) Saplaninec MOCKO!!
No score for this post November 12 2005, 5:56 PM

Stop using the Internet because it is intended for civilized people, not people like you. Regards!

"Stop using the internet it is for civilized people"
You are civilized ovcar! LOL
Look now the bugari think they own the internet as well as Macedonia! LOL

Check out what Google says when you type Macedonia:
http://www.google.com/search?q=macedonia

Couldn't find any bulgaro-serbian or greek link ha?

Sarplaninec, You SuCK BiG Time!!

'Check out what Google says when you type Macedonia:'

WOW, a Google search a as proof of someone's ethnicity!!!
Those guys from Google must very proud.
Google - the ultimate source for Truth!!! What a joke!

If I can't find info about my grandfather with a Google search does it mean he NEVER EXISTED then????

Ej Makedonci ke me ubiete be!!

gonaa kill ya all man.

http://makedonija.cjb.net
http://macedonia.co.nr

Kak ke ni ubiesh be Gorane osem miliona bulgari?
Ti sam lud chovek s edin-dva smeshni sajta deto nikoj ne gi chete???

E tuka e istinata batka:

http://www.geocities.com/mac_truth/secrets/goce.html

toa ne e vistina. Toa e MADE IN BULGARIA. everything sucks made there!

http://makedonija.cjb.net
http://macedonia.co.nr

as about the macedonia

CIA - The World Factbook -- Macedonia
Article about the country from the (US) CIA World Factbook. Includes data and
descriptive information on geography, demography, economy, government, ...
www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/mk.html - 101k - 11 Íïå 2005 - ÁðïèçêåõìÝíç Óåëßäá - Ðáñüìïéåò óåëßäåò

macedonia . org
A portal with general country information and illustrated guides to its arts,
cuisine, economy, history, language, politics, religion, sports and travel, ...
www.macedonia.org/ - 10k - ÁðïèçêåõìÝíç Óåëßäá - Ðáñüìïéåò óåëßäåò

Republic of Macedonia: The First Macedonian WWW Page
Information on Republic of Macedonia (formerly in Yugoslavia), part of the larger
geographic region of Macedonia.
www.b-info.com/places/Macedonia/republic/ - 11k - ÁðïèçêåõìÝíç Óåëßäá - Ðáñüìïéåò óåëßäåò

ÐáíåðéóôÞìéï Ìáêåäïíßáò - University of Macedonia ::
ÔìÞìáôá, õðçñåóßåò, ìåôáðôõ÷éáêÜ, Ýñåõíá.
www.uom.gr/ - 25k - 11 Íïå 2005 - ÁðïèçêåõìÝíç Óåëßäá - Ðáñüìïéåò óåëßäåò

Welcome to Virtual Macedonia
Macedonia has been known in history as Catena Mundi-the link between worlds.
Here in the South once you get to know the colors, ...
www.vmacedonia.com/ - 3k - ÁðïèçêåõìÝíç Óåëßäá - Ðáñüìïéåò óåëßäåò

Reality Macedonia - news, analyses, insight
Independent news, analysis, and general information source: English translations
of Macedonian press, original content, links to other sites concerning ...
www.realitymacedonia.org.mk/ - 38k - 11 Íïå 2005 - ÁðïèçêåõìÝíç Óåëßäá - Ðáñüìïéåò óåëßäåò

Macedonia Maps - Perry-Castañeda Map Collection - UT Library Online
Macedonian maps from the Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection.
www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/macedonia.html - 13k - 11 Íïå 2005 - ÁðïèçêåõìÝíç Óåëßäá - Ðáñüìïéåò óåëßäåò

Macedonia - Pan-Macedonian Network
4000 Years of Greek civilization in Greek Macedonia. Contains information on
history, organizations, news, culture, sports, tourism, geography and general ...
www.macedonia.com/ - 2k - ÁðïèçêåõìÝíç Óåëßäá - Ðáñüìïéåò óåëßäåò

Macedonia
National and University Library.
www.nubsk.edu.mk/EngNUB1.htm - 1k - ÁðïèçêåõìÝíç Óåëßäá - Ðáñüìïéåò óåëßäåò

Õðïõñãåßï Ìáêåäïíßáò ÈñÜêçò
Ðëçñïöïñßåò ãéá ôçí äïìÞ, ôá ðñïãñÜììáôá, ôïõò öïñåßò êáé ôçí äñÜóç.
www.mathra.gr/ - 22k - 11 Íïå 2005 - ÁðïèçêåõìÝíç Óåëßäá - Ðáñüìïéåò óåëßäåò

Az pyk si misleh che makedoncite ne razbirat bulgarski!!!

toa ne e vistina. Toa e MADE IN BULGARIA. everything sucks made there!


goran do not speak of your grandparentsin such a way!

Do you see how stupid you are?
You claim to hate americans yet your screen name is an american name.
You listen to american music.
You "try" to wear stylish american inspierd clothing.
I told you DON'T be jelous beacuse you will die there like you were born there... with NOTHING!

Sarplanince, primitivno sustestvo od planinite, NITKOV dobro ti go spusti.

brate,
nije on to ni mogao procitat jerbo je to njemu strani jezik. isto kao da tebi i meni neko nesto napise na madjarskom....jebem li im majku dijasporsku, to su najgora nacionalisticka govna, cijelo vrijeme su dolijevali ulje na vatru i zavadjali nas s komsijama,a kad je zaratilo, nigdje ni jednog, svi se pobjegli kucama na zapad. a ti se jebi i ratuj protiv onog s kojim si do juce zajedno jeo, pio, smijao se i plakao i u miru i slozi zivio. barem je tako kod nas u bosni bilo.

vidis kako ovo govno vas makedonce huska protiv albanaca. ne ulazim u to kakvi su albanci i ko je u pravu, ali ako zarati, budi siguran da ces se ti morat jebat i ratovat, a ova picka ce hladit jaja u detroitu.

kad nas su ova govna, na ljeto kad dodju kuci, manja od makovog zrna. nema kurcenja jer znaju da svima idu na zivce i da vrlo lako mogu dobit po picki. i onda caste jelom i picem samo da ih neko ne bi upitao : dje si bio kad je gorilo? joj brate, to im je najgore. imam osjecaj bi lakse podnio da mu jebes familiju nego da mu postavis to pitanje.
zato braco makedonci, pamet u glavu. ne dajte se, al ne dajte ni da vas ovi pederi iz dijaspore zavadjaju s onima s kojima morate zivjeti i s kojima cete i dalje morati zivjeti i poslije rata ako do njega, ne daj boze, dodje. vec kad dodju kuci, maltretirajte stoku da vas caste jelom i picem da ne zaborave da im ovo nije ni njemacka, ni svicarska ni amerika. aj so zdravje

Anyone who want Gorans address phone number anything you want send me an e-mail and I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GIVE IT TO YOU. You were so easy to find Goran, the list of students at St. Cyril and Methodius University, when did you graduate 1999? We will see who you are going to kill Goran?

I am so BUSTED. You found me, what can I Say...


But am still gonna f*ck your azz, when you'll come in Vratnica (may 2006) I so happy to see U. ANd yes eclipse broke into your f*ckin' house... two days ago... He and the other Macedonians were performing a free part there...

C-YA

http://makedonija.cjb.net
http://macedonia.co.nr

A ti coveku kolku si GLUP (malumen). Ako ne sfati baraj prevod od Makedonski.

VE DUPIME-vi treba EU funds za da renovirate ebani WC-a. Epa stvarno vise.

http://makedonija.cjb.net
http://macedonia.co.nr

Gorane glavo debela makedonska, mene prevod ot makedoniski ne mi treba, ali mi treba prevod ot SRBSKI.
Sto e 'stvarno', a ? I koga vikash na nekoj deto ne go znaesh lichno ke e glupav pomisli dali ti ne izglezdash maloumen.
I kakav kur dirish u Holandia da se kriesh kato mishka ot policijata i da rabotish nelegalno?
Za toaletite - i makedonskite ne sa po-dobri ot bulgarskite, se edin narod sme.

Sharko IDIOTKO wrote:
> Did you already burn my house down? You found it? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Response:
No, I could not find it because it doesn't exist anymore.. Dogs shouldn't live in houses, you SHARPLANINSKO Pu*Sy!

Znaes kako vikaat.. Kuce sto LAE - NE JADE !!

nitkov wrote: ...kad nas su ova govna, na ljeto kad dodju kuci...

Koga ke dojdat doma, ke se pogrizime da pominat mnogu ubavo, da im poeb*eme sve zivo i divo zensko sto imaat u familija.. Moroni srbomanski!!

Imas pozdrav od goranata.

THIS ASS MOTHER ****ER GONARATA CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THAT HE CAME FROM BULGARS!HEY!BULGAR FROM SKOPJE!IN THE JUGOSLAVIAN WAR U WERE THE ONLY CHICKENS UFREAKY CREATURES FROM SKOPJE!!CROATIANS SERBS SLOVENIANS BOSNIANS EXCEPT U HAD A HARD WAR FOR BOSNIA AND I REMEMEBER TERRIBLE PICS FROM THE TV!!U MONGOLOIDS FROM VOLGA !SERBIA HELP U MANY TIMES AND TODAY U SAY!"WE HAVE A HOPE TO SEE KOSSOVA WITH OUT SERBS!"U MOTHER ****ERS IN THE PLANS OF ALBANIA U R THE NEXT VICTOMS!AND I HOPE TO C U UNDER THE ALBANIANS!SOON U LL BE BE A PAST!
U CHICKES YOU GAY *******S!U PLAY WITH STRANGE GUTS!(GREEK-BULGARIAN HISTORY)U WERE SUCKERS TO SERBIA WHEN JUGOSLAVIA HAD A WAR!
TRY TO UNDERSTAN ****ERS
MACEDONIA=GREECE
DIE ALL OF U!GO TO HELL U STINKERS!I HATE YOUR POPULATION!
U SCUMPS!