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Macedonia and Greece By John Shea

November 28 2008 at 3:02 PM
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With the break-up of the former Yugoslavia, an old conflict between Greece and Macedonia has taken on added significance for the international community. The genesis of the conflict is detailed here, as well as the modern-day events that have led many observers to believe that the area is a flashpoint for a major war.

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Re: Macedonia and Greece By John Shea

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December 1 2008, 5:50 PM 

What would anyone gain from a major war between Makedonija and Grcka? Grcka would gain more fertile land, because Egajska Makedonija wasn't enough for them. Their land is worthless nothing but rocks and dirt only donkeys could exsist their. Proven by the donkeys that go onto the Greek board, although they are not REAL Greeks, pagens are NOT REAL GREEKS!

 
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Re: Macedonia and Greece By John Shea

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December 8 2008, 4:56 AM 

Relax no need for war. True they got lots of fertile land after the Bucharest agreement.

 
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Makedonia is Greece.
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Re: Macedonia and Greece By John Shea

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December 23 2008, 1:22 AM 

I loved reading the John Shea argument.
Especially when he makes the claim that the ancient Paiones came back after hundreds of years to the old teritory.
But this time they spoke Slavic and actualy Bulgarian Slavic.
But then why all of the ancient names in Paionia were KeltiC?
As is Vardar <-- Sqwardo-ori=Dark Water in Keltic, Skouron Ydor in ancient Greek? <br>
He makes no connection between the past and the Present. He assumes a defacto Macedonia of Slavic Speakers in Paionia, but if Paionia and ancient Macedonia existed at the same time then the Paiones were not Macedonian and the Macedonians were not Paiones.

John Shea's arguments can be refuted by a third grader in Greece. His arguments appear in the void and his scholarship is very poor.

I especially like the ancient Macedonian monument in Scopie outside your Parliament with Greek inscriptions.

We need make no argument! You are Slavs, always were Slavs and always will be Slavs and therefore non-Greek and therefore non-Macedonian.

You were goat thieves all you lives, and now are trying to improve by trying to steal the Greek heritage because your ancestors are non existent in history and you can not differantiate yourselves from the other Slavs around you.

The Turks befriend you because we kicked them out of Greece and shed our blood while your ancestors were sitting around kissing Turkish butt. To them (Greek Revolutionaries of 1821) you owe the fact that you are free today to speak Bulgarian.

You all must feel pretty bad to be you! So I will let you preach to the choir your fables and dreams of being someone else.

Later losers!


Kostas the Macedon ("Always Guarding Thermopylai"- Kavafes).

 
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Re: Macedonia and Greece By John Shea

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December 29 2008, 9:16 PM 

" The Turks befriend you because we kicked them out of Greece and shed our blood while your ancestors were sitting around kissing Turkish butt. To them (Greek Revolutionaries of 1821) you owe the fact that you are free today to speak Bulgarian. "

- They were Serbs who revolted first.
- Turkish army put down the 1821 revolt immediately. Then Britain, France, Austria and Russia had intervened to creation of Greece.
- Arnavites(Orthodox Albanians) had been supported by the entire central powers unlike Southern Slavs who used to be supported by only Russia.
- Every nation had their language freedom under Turkish rule.

 
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Re: Macedonia and Greece By John Shea

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February 11 2009, 2:44 AM 

John Shea is not a historian and definitely not an authoritarian on the region! His conclusions and assumptions have absolutely no merit. Using Shea as a definitive source on the matter is like using **** to satisfy your hunger.

 
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Kostas the Makedon
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Makedonia is Greece

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February 13 2009, 7:13 PM 

Kanunis you need to go and study history.

The only time that the foreign powers intervened was in the battle of the fleets in Navarino.
All ground revolution was done by the GreekS!

Sour grapes Turk!

Later Mongols!

Kostas

Kostas the Macedon ("Always Guarding Thermopylai"- Kavafes).

 
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