How many of you bunnies here have actually read what this "great hero" of yours wrote while he was in Macedonia?
Were you aware that you most famous "makedonomachos" calls the language of my people as MACEDONIAN?
Even for Kote Hristov, which you clowns have re-christened as "Kottas", Pavlos Melas quite clearly and simply states that KOTTAS SPEAKS MACEDONIAN -- and you can bet a million dollars it wasn't any Greek language he is talking about.
Some thoughts...........
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It always existed, just read the books of the MOST famous Greek "makedonomaho" fighter, Pavlos Melas, Bulgar and Greek are church-national affiliations, the people who reject propaganda call themselves simply as Macedonians, just like Salvanos and Dragoumis say also, that is Melas calls the language of the local Macedonian inhabitants, the language which I SPEAK TODAY, as simply MACEDONIAN.
These are not my innovations, this is what the Greek Pavlos Melas saw when he came to Macedonia and "fight for hellenism", he found plenty of Macedonians, not many Greeks, and the Macedonian language spoken all over Macedonia.
Hurts doesn't it? How could this famous Greek hero say these things, how could Pavlos Melas call the Macedonian language as MACEDONIAN yet today the modern Greeks invent a new name each day for my language to hide its own lies?
Arhileas, follow the path of your famous "glory fighter", and recognize my people and language the same way as Pavlos Melas did, MACEDONIAN.
Please read the book and learn some real history about Macedonia.
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Or stick with the Bulgarian conscious you have a choice, we don't force or brain wash anyone, Tito did.
People have embraced Hellenism through out the ages on their own accord. So those who have claimed Macedonian heroes have also embraced the Greekness of her.
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Which Greeks are you talking about, Kote Hristov? HAHAHAHAHA, here is what Pavlos Melas says about Kote Hristov, "OMILISE, MAKEDONIKA, O KOTAS" - KOTE SPEAKS MACEDONIAN!!!!!!!!
[KOMI beg all you like you will not be Macedonians. because we all know it as much as you do deep down it's all Greek]
On the contrary, I have been since I was born, that is the only national-ethnic identity of my people, you are a psuedo greek-macedonian since the late 80's, your grandparents most probably spoke my langauge, and your parents most probably understood some of it, that is the case with 95% of people from "northern greece". It really doesn't bother me if today you think you are Macedonian, in fact it is quite funny, especially when I speak to real Greeks about your psuedo identity.
As for Emmanuel Papas? LLLOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. I never said there were no Greeks in Macedonia a insignificant as they were, but please show me where exactly does this person refer to himself as a Macedonian?
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My people are the Macedonians, the Slavic-speakers, just like your Greek hero Pavlos Melas says.
Deal with it, you are going to have to one day soon, the Macedonians are a reality, Greece and Greeks need to accept this. Forget about what happened 2,000 years ago, when I am asked to refer to my ethnicity I say Macedonian, you say Greek, it is that simple.
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"""My people are the Macedonians, the Slavic-speakers, just like your Greek hero Pavlos Melas says."""
Pavlos Melas was among the first who organized and participated in the Greek Struggle for Macedonia. For the Greek struggle meaning against the Bulgarians right?.
"""Deal with it, you are going to have to one day soon, the Macedonians are a reality, Greece and Greeks need to accept this."""
I have a choice and that is to NOT to accept you as a Macedonian along with the rest of us 3 Million Greek Macedonian world wide. Your problem not ours.
"""Forget about what happened 2,000 years ago, when I am asked to refer to my ethnicity I say Macedonian, you say Greek, it is that simple."""
Forget? Why because history / archaeological findings goes against your fake dreams, sorry but wake up dude. I will never accept your fake ethnos.
Deal with it.
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Re: Funny qoutes or funny one liners!
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A province of Greece since when? Alexander would spear you to death! On the contrary, it is Greece who was subjected to Macedonia, and this is a fact. That fact that Macedonia is run from Athens must make Phillip II, the "conqueror of athenians", turn in his grave.
As for your 1.8 million, LMFAOOOOOO, you mean the 1 million Christian Turk imports, some sold-out confusoids such as yourself and Greeks from the south that came to Salonika becuase the state and church convinced them that their northern neighbour is going to take "their" lands? lol
From the Greek king at during the Balkan wars saying "THERE ARE NOT MUCH GREEKS IN MACEDONIA", to 1.8 million what?
Do you remember when your grandparents used to speak that forbidden language? Sellout.
[Pavlos Melas was among the first who organized and participated in the Greek Struggle for Macedonia. For the Greek struggle meaning against the Bulgarians right?]
That is correct, Greek vs Bulgar = Patriarch vs Exarch, church affiliations my friend, both these "Greeks" and "Bulgars" spoke a language, which Pavlos Melas called MACEDONIAN, Ion Dragoumis, another Greek hero also stated that those who reject Greek and Bulgarian PROPAGANDA simply call themsleves as MACEDONIANS, the same is said by the Greek officer Salvanos - Instead of running in circles why don't you explain to readers why it was OK for Greeks to call my langauge Macedonian in 1900?
3 million? LOL
[I will never accept your fake ethnos]
Lol, nobody really cares what you accept today. The ancient people of the Maceodnian territory have nothing in common with the Christian Turks who settled the land as Turkish refugess 80 years ago.
The fact remains, while you people stay in your fantasy world from 2,000 years ago that has no relation or relevance to you whatsoever, the rest of the world will move on and recognize us - Be prepared because you all knwo that regardless of all the bitching stemming from Athens, Macedonian recognition is a reality.
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"""A province of Greece since when? Alexander would spear you to death! On the contrary, it is Greece who was subjected to Macedonia, and this is a fact. That fact that Macedonia is run from Athens must make Phillip II, the "conqueror of athenians", turn in his grave."""
Turn on his grave on me or to this fake ethnos Perhaps ? See I was right you are talking to the mirror. We've been through this so many times and yet you fail to see the hard core evidence or even delete them at the FYROMian forum so why waste my time when you already know the truth.
"""As for your 1.8 million, LMFAOOOOOO, you mean the 1 million Christian Turk imports, some sold-out confusoids such as yourself and Greeks from the south that came to Salonika becuase the state and church convinced them that their northern neighbour is going to take "their" lands? lol"""
Ela come over and see what a suprise awaits you in there
"""Do you remember when your grandparents used to speak that forbidden language? Sellout."""
KOMI you feeling alright ? Nonsense propagandas you've been fed. Scared of the Albanian invasion perhaps ? Suddenly I see a man who's desperate
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Pavlos wasn't linguist. He didn't want to call Slavophone Greeks' language Bulgarian for political reasons. On the other hand, humanity's knowledge about ancient Macedonians' language was limited. Now, we know that Pavlos was wrong.
Proves? Countless: Dame Gruev's telegram, Miladinovi song collection, "svoboda ili sloboda", you had no 'Macedonian' deputies in Ottoman Parliament at 1908 (even Vlachs were there!!), Carnegie Commission Report doesn't mention 'Macedonians', Vlachs called and still calling you Bugarski, .... Should I continue?
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Re: PAVLOS MELAS AND THE MACEDONIANS
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October 21 2007, 6:17 PM
Wasn't Melas fighting at a time when the Serbs started calling the Slavs of the Region of Macedonia as "Macedonian" in order to negate any claims of the Bulgarians to the region?? The Greeks followed suit.
If so then Komi your argument is senseless! So when Melas called the Slavic people of the Region of Macedonia as "Macedonian" it was just to counter the Bulgarians and NOTHING to do with ethnicity, but just politics! No matter how you look at it YOUR ancestors were BULGARIANS and you were seperated due to the Serbs and the Greeks countering the Bulgarians for influence of the Region of Macedonia!
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