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Manifesto of the temporary government of Macedonia, 1881!

July 9 2008 at 7:42 AM
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July 9 2008, 7:46 AM 

From Discourses of Collective Identity in Central and Southeast Europe (1770-1945) edited by
Balazs Trencsenyi, Michal Kopecek, page 484-485. I could not enlarge the pictures.

 
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July 9 2008, 7:55 AM 

"Kuzman Sapkarev"

You only have to look here to see that the Fyrom Slavic majority are simply West Bulgarians and have no connection to 'Macedonia' anything:

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10 to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the "Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is available for examination and study)

Here is the text in the original In Bulgarian:

"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."



 
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July 9 2008, 8:06 AM 

They were / are Bulgarians man what on earth are you thinking !!!


 
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July 9 2008, 8:28 AM 

I found some photos from old Greek Macedonian newspapers and i felt i had to share them. i also have to mention that skopjans are never mentioned nor existed in the entire Macedonians region only Greeks, Bulgarians and serbians existed

All skopjans should read this ??? It says about their Bulgarian grandfathers in Ilinden. :lol:

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Faros Of Macedonia - paper of 29th November 1887.




Another one is Ermis of Thessaloniki. Here is a paper of 24th Octomber of 1875.





just found this one which is the best of all.

French statistics about Macedonia. I read there are in Macedonia Hellenes, Bulgares, Roumains Serbes. Where are the skopjans????

Ooopppsss Busted again!!! Nobody knew any skopjans back then...just Bulgarians.





"Greek-Bulgarian quarrels in Macedonia". Newspaper "Empros" 1913. Still no trace of "Macedonians" of the Skopjan type but only Greek and Bulgarian populations in the region of Macedonia.








Arrests of Bulgarians in Bitola. So Bitola has Bulgarians. No trace of skopjans yet.





Let me translate it.

Discovery of Dynamite also in Skopje
Bienna 25 April. Police discovered in the houses of Bulgarians in Skopje great amount of dynamites.

Bulgarians of skopje!!! BUSTED!!! :lol:

In the following article.

Bulgarian Rebel groups
Bienna 25 April. I am telegraphing from Belgrad that the Rebel Bulgarian groups were anihilated. The lamentation of the refugees reach in the surroundings of Kratovo

So Bulgarian rebel groups!!! :lol: The lies of skopjans exposed once again.


See we were using that name Macedonia even under the Ottoman Empire way before it even became an idea for you folks. 1770 ??? My ass

http://www.network54.com/Forum/65399/thread/1158698119/last-1180694593/Greek+Macedonian+newspapers+of+late+19th+century+...+++PROOF+THAT+SKOPJANS+ARE+BULGARIANS




 
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July 9 2008, 5:25 PM 

1887, is your newspaper, the pictures I could not enlarge show the constitution of the Macedonian temporary government which starts:
Macedonians,
Once upon a time our dear fatherland Macedonia was one of the most glorious countries. And the Macedonian people, by building on the foundations of their military skills, with their victorious phalanxes and the wisdom of Aristotle civilized humanity and Asia.


 
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July 9 2008, 5:36 PM 

"""1887, is your newspaper,"""

Look again for your self;

Another one is Ermis of Thessaloniki. Here is a paper of 24th Octomber of 1875.





Thessalonici in 1875 we have earlier dates then this just not with me now.



 
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July 9 2008, 5:38 PM 

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10 to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the "Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is available for examination and study)
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Yes Shapkarev did say that. First the name Macedonians has been in use he say 10-15 years ago. That is like 1875. For some reason he did not feel like Macedonian- but other people thought differently, they used that name like I showed you. No Greek in that time was proving that Macedonians were Greeks. In fact they had the same problem to convince the people that they are Greek. Many of them used the name Rum. The name "Bugari" is inapplicable to other Bulgarians. Even if some do not use the name Macedonians, they used a different name.
And 10-15 years before 1888 is far behind 1945 and Tito.

 
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July 9 2008, 5:39 PM 

Look at what one of your favourite hero has to say.

"Kuzman Sapkarev"

You only have to look here to see that the Fyrom Slavic majority are simply West Bulgarians and have no connection to 'Macedonia' anything:

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10 to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the "Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is available for examination and study)

Here is the text in the original In Bulgarian:

"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."







He calles you Bulgarians. Besides your proofs are from Bulgarian and nothing to do with a Macedonian ethnicity because it never existed, all Treaties such as the Treaty of Berlin, Stephanou and the United Nations League etc; along with all Turkish censuses record NO Macedonian ethnicity. Only Greek, Serbs, Bulgarians and Albanians etc; NO Macedonians.


 
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July 9 2008, 5:45 PM 

Kuzman Sapkarev is stating that the name Macedonia was imposed and introduced to you, now why would he say that if you already did some how exist ???



    
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July 9 2008, 10:14 PM 

Discourses of Collective Identity in Central and Southeast Europe (1770-1945) edited by
Balazs Trencsenyi, Michal Kopecek, page 484-485. I could not enlarge the pictures.
See how this guys in the Pirin region, today's Bulgaria called themselves.

 
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July 16 2008, 8:04 AM 

^ Many Bulgarians called them self's Macedonian for geographical reasons and nothing more, we have detailed books during the 1800's right up to 1913 ? which record this as a fact. Ethnicity and a Geographical marker are two different things.


 
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