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Plans for a "Red Macedonian State"

July 9 2008 at 7:50 AM
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Plans for a "Red Macedonian State" and Greek Macedonia

The RED "Macedonian country" - the fond hope of the Cominform, the Bulgarian communists, NOF and of the Hellenic bandits - should encompass according to the desires of its inventors, the Yugoslavian Macedonia or Vardar Macedonia with an area of 39.600 sq.km and a population of 1.550.000, Bulgarian Macedonia or Pirin Macedonia of an area of 4.000 sq.km and a population of 250.000 and Hellenic Macedonia with an area of 34.250 sq.km an a population of 1.700.000.
Working in favor of this shameless anti-Hellenic crime, are mercenary-bandits. The above expressive sketch was published in the Swiss "Illustrated" (see following related article.

CRISIS CENTER

THE THREAT AGAINST MACEDONIA

Details of the plan


by Oscar Rundel.

ZURICH, April. (Special Report)-
For the last 8 months Moscow is trying to annihilate the renegade Tito. Up to now, Tito has managed to resist all attacks against him but now the Cominform invented a new weapon against him: the ALLEGED "LIBERATION OF MACEDONIA"

Everything indicates that Moscow in co-operation with her loyal servant Dimitroff will use all its weapons in this battle front, all, except those which could ignite another World War. But it is not certain that these weapons will definitely overthrow Tito.

Under the development of these new events, Macedonia, the heart of this Balkan peninsula becomes again the center of international interest. According to the most accurate information, it is from there that the Soviet Union and the Cominform intend to launch their decisive blow against the renegade Tito.

With the declaration of an autonomous "Socialist Republic of Macedonia" which will be composed by the Yugoslavian, Bulgarian and the Hellenic part of Macedonia, Moscow estimates that it will succeed to shatter Tito's power, detach the Northern Hellenic provinces from Hellas and extend the influence of Soviet to the Aegean.

There is no doubt that this plan indeed exists. The only doubt is on when and by which means will its implementation be attempted.

If international communism is determined to persue its objectives through the power of weapons- and intelligence which speaks of the concentration of military in all neighboring countries in an attempt to form an "aerial bridge" from Hungary to Albania and unusual defensive measures by Tito compose indication- that there is indeed danger that in the near future Macedonia may become the center of events which will threaten the peace not only in the Balkan peninsulla but also in the entire world.

Geographically Macedonia can easily be defined, but it becomes trully impossible should one desire to give a definition based on the political or ethnological view and define the limits of the "Macedonian country" or "Macedonian nation". And this because IN REALITY THERE IS NO MACEDONIAN COUNTRY, NOT EVEN A MACEDONIAN NATION.

AN INDEPENDANT MACEDONIAN NATION FOR THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME IN HISTORY EXISTED ONLY DURING THE TIME OF PHILIP AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT, BUT THAT NATION WAS HELLENIC AND ITS POPULATION WAS HELLENIC AND DIDN'T DIFFER FROM THE POPULATIONS OF ATHENS, THEBES NOR SPARTA AT ALL.

Undoubtably the supporters of the idea of a macedonian country CAN NOT CLAIM THE TRADITIONS OF THAT ANCIENT HELLENIC MACEDONIAN NATION BECAUSE THE SLAVIC RACES OF THE SERBS AND BULGARIAN SETTLED IN THE BALKAN PENINSULA ONLY DURING THE 7th and 8th CENT. AD. driving the original Hellenic population towards the South without ever achieving their objective, which was to reach the shores of the Aegean and Thessaloniki.

During the last 2 millenia Macedonia became successively a province of the Roman, Southern-Roman, Byzantine and finally the Ottoman Empires. What it NEVER became was an INDEPENDENT NATION.

LIKEWISE THERE NEVER WAS NOR IS THERE TODAY A "MACEDONIAN PEOPLE". THE GEOGRAPHIC REGION NAMED MACEDONIA IS POPULATED BY A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE AND ETHNICITIES THAT HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON ON ANY HISTORIC, LINGUISTIC, RELIGIOUS AND SPIRITUAL BASIS: Hellenes, Serbs, Bulgarians, Albanians, Turks, Koutsovlachs and Jews. The majority of the population today is composed in the Northern part of Macedonia by Serbs and Bulgarians, while in the South by Hellenes, which means, two peoples that belong to totally different races with a centuries long enimity between them.

Albanians differ from the Slavs and the Hellenes and are theorized to be the descendants of the Illyrians that were driven by the Slavs to the highlands near the shores of the Adriatic. The Koutsovlachs are neither Slavs, nor Hellenes, nor Albanians kai descend from the leagoneers of ancient Rome and Romanized Thrace. The Turks belong to a totally different race.

Each one of these peoples speak their own language and none of them managed to assimilate the other and by doing so form a "macedonian nation"

Theclaim that a macedonian people which wants its autonomy or the independence of the lands it resides in, exists, IS AN INVENTION OF THE LAST DECADE OF THE PREVIOUS CENTURY. This invention is attributed to Bulgarian imperialism, which is the root of the problem of all bloody conflicts and implacable contrasts in the Balkans.


During the 19th cent. the Hellenes, the Serbs, the Rumanians and lastly the Bulgarians were liberated from the Turkish yoke and only Macedonia and Albania remained part of the Ottoman Empire. Bulgaria that wasn’t satisfied with the borders determined during the Congress of Berlin but had ambissions of expanding towards the West to the Adratic and to the East to the Aegean, making it thus the most powerful country of the Balkans, was the first to demand the “autonomy” of Macedonia, which would be nothing more than the first step towards its annexation.

It was Bulgarian greed that provoked right after the 1st Balkan War of 1912-13 during which the allied Hellenes, Serbs and Bulgarians managed to drive the Turks out of the center of the Balkan peninsula, the 2nd Balkan War.
This war ended as we know with the Treaty of Bucharest under which the region of Macedonia which has remained unchangeable untill this day, was distributed between the Serbs, Bulgarians and Hellenes.

During the 2 World Wars Bulgaria which sided during the first with the Central Powers and the second with Hitler attempted to detach from the Serbs and the Hellenes the corresponding regions of Macedonia. Both times they attempted to capture Macedonia with military force and oppress the non-Bulgarian population but both times was forced to finally retreat and abandon the captured regions of Macedonia.


After the end of the 2nd World War the internal political composition of the Balkan nations changed but the strife for Macedonia continued with remarkable vehemence on two fronteers:

Firstly under the guise of the strife of the united slavocommunist countries against Hellas with the objective of detaching the part of Macedonia from Hellas and including it along with the Yugoslavic and Bulgarian parts of Macedonia under one new Cominform country.

Second under the form of an once secret yet today obvious strife between Yugoslavia and Bulgaria related to the dominance of the planned united Macedonia.

While Yugoslavia and Bulgaria continue their combined strife against Hellas with the illegal assistance of the bandits, between Sofia and Belgrade the strife for Macedonia is undergoing constant acute phases.
In this strife, Dimitroff, who carries on the plans of the monarchic and fascist Bulgarian imperialism, is nothing more than a marionette in the hands of Moscow who's objective of reaching the shores of the Mediterrainian, is now, as it has been in the past the true root of all the bloody conflict around Macedonia.

OSCAR RUNDEL.



 
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July 9 2008, 5:30 PM 

Obvious pre-Coldwar rhetorics blame the communists for everything, accusations on ideological base.

 
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July 9 2008, 5:41 PM 

So Tito, must have been a magician. He invented the Macedonians and he convinced not only the people in Socialist Republic of Macedonia, but also many people in Greece that they are Macedonians.

 
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July 9 2008, 5:55 PM 

"""He invented the Macedonians"""

The idea of a Makedonski started around the late 1800 when Bulgaria was getting about ready to accept those lands that were Geographicaly Maceonian region BUT the ethnos was created as per first post...There is no secret here.

That is why Communism is bad chit, they distort facts. Just look at Albania who has just come out of Communism they are still trying to recover from this bad drug known as "Enver Hoxia".


 
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July 9 2008, 6:02 PM 

Even back in 2005 the Turks on here were calling you Bulgarians.

See for your self...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/65399/thread/1135641416/last-1193681987/Macedonia+is+Greek-


By the way this is the Macedonian language. Only the Greeks can understand it as it's our language.







 
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July 9 2008, 10:12 PM 

That this guy showed a map of San Stefano Bulgaria is hardly a proof. And Ancient Macedonians adopted the Greek alphabet and their language later, so what?

 
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July 10 2008, 6:17 AM 

Actually your statement is incorrect.

It was all the Ancient Greeks who adopted the Phoenician alphabet, but they did so at different times. The Ancient Macedonian spoke a variant of Greek related to Northwest/Aeolic Greek closely akin to the Epirotes. (Here is where your statement comes into play) The nobility adopted Attic/Athenian Greeks due to their wanting to become cultured. As we all know Athens was considered the cultural center of the Greeks world when it comes to art, science, math, etc.

So yes they adopted Attic dialect but they still spoke and wrote Greek before that time. The archaeological record supports this with the various inscriptions having been found in the land of the Ancient Macedonians.

 
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July 10 2008, 6:49 PM 

Yes I know the Phoenician alphabet was adopted by the Greeks. But Greek and Macedonian were only related in the best case, Ilyrian was the closest language to Ancient Macedonian.

 
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July 10 2008, 7:45 PM 

Viktor your language where is more close ?
to ancient macedonian or to bulgarian ?

 
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July 10 2008, 9:36 PM 

To Bulgarian. I never denied that we speak a Slavic language. But most of the claims about the Ancient Macedonian language is based on assumptions, since there was no written documents from the Ancient Macedonians before they adopted Greek. Bulgarian language certainly is closer to our, Serbian and Russian, than to the language spoken by the Volga-Bulgars that speak that language even today.

 
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July 12 2008, 4:40 AM 

"Yes I know the Phoenician alphabet was adopted by the Greeks. But Greek and Macedonian were only related in the best case, Ilyrian was the closest language to Ancient Macedonian."


Illyrian closest to Ancient Macedonian??? Really?

That is a belief from the 19th and early to mid 20th centuries. That is before excavations throughout Macedonia including Bulgaria and your country have uncovered a multitude of names on grave stelae and a handful of inscriptions showing a Northwest Greek origin. This was before the nobles adopted Attic as their dialect.

So how could there be Northwest Greek throughout Ancient Macedonia? Oh and these names, most of commoners, are completely Greek in origin.

So how is it that the commoners also spoke Greek, a Greek not related to Attic Greek?

 
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July 12 2008, 4:52 AM 

Well that is uncertain, we can only suggest solutions based on the sources we have. All the languages on the Balkans were similar, but Ancient Macedonian was probably closer to Ilyrian and Thracian, and only related to Greek.

 
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July 12 2008, 5:11 AM 

"""All the languages on the Balkans were similar, but Ancient Macedonian was probably closer to Ilyrian and Thracian, and only related to Greek. """

…There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service –
but how different is their cause from ours ! They will be fighting for
pay— and not much of it at that; WE on the contrary shall fight for
GREECE, and our hearts will be in it.


As for our FOREIGN troops —Thracians, Paeonians, Illyrians,
Agrianes — they are the best and stoutest soldiers of Europe, and they will find as their opponents the slackest and softest of the tribes of
Asia.

Arrian (The Campaigns of Alexander) Alexander talking to the troops before the battle. Book 2-7 Penguin Classics. Page 112. Translation by Aubrey De Seliucourt.

Notice his use of ‘FOREIGN’ about Illyrians and Thracians! No connections there btw Ancient Macedonian and the Illyrains, nor the Thracians...


 
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July 13 2008, 3:00 AM 

Once again a historian that lived centuries after Alexander.

 
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July 13 2008, 10:11 AM 

agree with you like Borza, Green, Badian that live 23 centuries AFTER Alexander and claim that the Greek Macedonians hellenized!!!

 
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