The shoulder & arm still work ... lol !! I just haven't had the chance to use them for casting or hook-setting ...LOL !! Thanks for the link .... crappie fishing isn't just jerkin 'em in the boat by the barrel full, like some would believe .... especially when they're pursued with the "one pole, one bait" bass fishing style method (my preference). And when you land a 2lber on 4lb line on a ultralight it's a feeling of accomplishment much on the same line as landing a 4lb bass on 8lb line. I spend my "discussion board time" between Crappie.com, BDO, and Fishin.com --now I've added your site to my favorites list, so you can expect to hear from me from time to time. Happy Holidays ............cp