I've never been too much of a fan of the Ipod. Just not for me. I've owned bot a creative Zen xtra and iriver H10 20gb. Both were great, although I did like the creative's removable battery, media center, and navigation on the mp3 player a little better than the iriver. The iriver was nicer in sound quality and speed during navigation also it can hold pictures, text, record voice, and fm tuner, if you want those things, it also has a removable batter for the 5gb. The creative is a little bit big. The iriver is nice and small, but uses windows media player, which is something else i don't like. Both work great and are great players. And give you more bang for your buck than the ipod stuff. I'd recommend those. the iriver can be had for a little cheaper than an ipod and the creative 40gb can be had for real cheap.