Respond to this message Return to Index Original Message Whether we are spiritual beings or not, we are human Now Jackie (Login BlueJudah) Namaste Posted May 31, 2011 12:50 AM I think whatever our beliefs, all that really matters is what we are and do as human beings. Indeed, we are the nurturers. Indeed awareness of self-responsibility is vital. It's neat to think upon, for me, the possible beginnings, who am I, where do /did I come from, etc. These are just ponderings, even frivolous ponderings. We are all here Now with this amazing, unexplainable, so far, tool of Consciousness. If we were not conscious, then by all means, maybe a Conscious Being is necessary which would appear 'outside' of ourselves. But as soon as Conscious Awareness kicks in, then we realise that we are the creators. I could go on, but really we need put all these barriers of label behind us now as humanity 'progresses' (we are, yet many are denying that or refusing to accept cos materialism has been too tempting and as become an addiction) and be just who we are. I am Jackie and I want to be the best human I can be, for my family, my self, the world and all of her inhabitants. Whether I believe in a God / Goddess / or not, is just a frivolous. What we each do and say and think Now is what creates. A child is dying of starvation is a world full of enough food because of us, a person is being tortured somewhere because of us... Are we speaking out enough? Are we trusting our politicians too much? We all have the power in unification and we can change anything we desire to. Are we still scoffing to much at reality activists just because our puppet masters hold the strings of our information services, anyone of us even. We have the power to cut those strings. Choice. We are NOT helpless victims of circumstances. I read elsewhere that HOW you see determines what you get... It is important to be alert and aware at all times, eyes fully 'open'. "Responsibility begins with the acknowledgment that one is at cause in the matter, whether one experiences that as true or not." Reality is a co-creation of everyone. I still think there is Something, some Unified Field or 'background', Source, of course, is my favourite term, yet I could not define this Source really. But It is also the Source to other life systems, I think, that we cannot conceive or nor do we need to. Humanity is our experience now. We are humans Now. Let's be the best humans we can be. There is no need, imo, to look anywhere else but at our own selves for power and the tools of change and love and charity and compassion and strength... ************************************************************************** "If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading." "He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still." "A sage lets go of extremism lets go of luxury lets go of apathy." ************************************************************************ "The Old Testament tells us that man has dominion over the rest of creation, and the 8th Psalm, echoing a similar attitude, states that the Lord made man "a little lower than the angels," and, "Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands and has out all things under his feet." Chinese art, particularly landscape paintings, suggest a very different relationship between humans and nature. Taoists speak of a harmony among all aspects of nature, and say "Heaven and earth and I live together." Jean Johnson, Introduction to Attitudes Toward Nature in Taoist Art ************************************************************************* 'We make the world we live in, we shape our own environment', all by ourselves. What power! But when that power is used unconsciously, without direction, we get what we have, a few Masters pulling the strings of the mass of humanity. Of course, these Masters use their powers most consciously. 'You are all Buddhas There is nothing you need to achieve. Just open your eyes.' Siddhartha Gautama "To meet the challenges we face in life, we must think our way out of them for it is our thoughts and feelings that create them in the first place. As we think, we create – change what we think, and we change what we create." http://realtalkworld.com/ Fortunately, as Ickey says, The Lion Sleeps No More!! We are opening up to Realization and Conscious Intentions and indeed, this may mean stripping ourselves bare and Starting Over... Just a little more personal perspective here about something you said, Ice, if I may... "That would arguably mean that atheists are in a better position to appreciate things like love and beauty. In recognizing their responsibility for their existence, atheists can't take such concepts for granted. If the universe is undesigned and undirected, we can only speak meaningfully about beauty, love, intelligence, etc., if we really mean it and if we really care about it because we can't shift responsibility for them to some supernatural being." I would disagree to an extent. I have come across some great folks from across the various 'divides' that I have found to be Lovers of the Cosmos, shall I say? Englightened Christians is another term, I know, but a useful one () to get across that it is just OK, imo, to have belief in a god. We have enlightened folks amongst the religious / spiritual,a s we have the most unenlightened amongst atheists. I can see why we use labels, yet these labels are quite inept, it seems, these days. What we may believe in spiritually is superflously, imo. We can have all sorts of spiritual beliefs, beliefs that can never be proved, yet I see our Christ / Cosmos Consciously as the 'proof' of what we are. All of us talk, but what do we walk? Some pretty neat religious types in this world and they are doing good deeds and are not pushing a one god but celebrating their own god in how they live. Religion is evolving as well but we are still ringing in the new whilst having to 'ease' the dying throes of the old out... 'I reject the notion of talking about God as a person, but there's a difference between talking about God as a person and talking about God as personal. The term I use is pantheistic - everything is in God and God is in everything. That's pretty intimate, but it doesn't mean that we don't have to find our own way and do our own creating. I see the universe as a Divine womb and we're all swimming around in this soup.' 'Animals love. They love their being. They strive to survive, to celebrate, to propagate . So certainly something we learn from animals is love. To survive and to celebrate, propagate and to love life. To be the best we can be - the right to be here and the responsibility to be the best dog or bear or horse that they can be. Humans have the tendency to self pity that other animals don't indulge in.' Matthew Fox Love Jackie Of course, some 'found' Realization way back... "It is only once we've lost everything, we are free to do anything." Login Status You are not logged in Login Password   Optional Provides additional benefits such as notifications, signatures, and user authentication. Create Account Your Name Your Email (Optional) Message Title Message Text Options Enable formatted text (Huh?) Also send responses to my email address   Notice: This is a moderated forum. Your post will not show up until a moderator approves the message. If you regularly have full posting privileges, you may have to login first.