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August 6 2012 at 7:32 PM
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Once again, here we are.

What do you make of Murray's statement today? He seems to be pretty emphatic about the fact that Rangers were not in breach of footballing rules regarding dual contracts.

In fact, I don't even know the point in this hehehe. I know your opinion already.

 
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August 6 2012, 10:51 PM 

A serial bullshitter who everyone, Rangers fans included, knew was behind cheating. If folk choose now to believe him I reckon they've learnt fuck all from this situation and deserve another chancer in charge!

Daly, the cunt behind the documentary, has already said he has proof of lying in todays statement!

 
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August 6 2012, 11:21 PM 

Haha well then why hasn't it been shown?

I am sensing a swell of opinion towards Rangers winning the BTC and being proven to not have cheated. See if that is the case then this boils down to Rangers being swindled by that prick Whyte, in which case we have a whole different playing field.

Rangers fans don't like Murray for the mess that he has left us in but there was a host of statements today.

Apparently Daly was on a phone in tonight trying to get Dodds to admit to cheating and couldn't even sway him to agree with him.

This may be the start of a million bubbles bursting and a lot of tales between their legs.

If so I have a mate to crucify.

 
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August 7 2012, 7:36 AM 

Rangers have been found guilty, the tax case is on appeal. There has been proof provided and Dodds has unwittingly stuck Rangers/Murray in it twice in interviews whilst trying to save his own back.

 
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August 7 2012, 9:32 AM 

If Rangers have been found guilty then why has there never once been a figure of punishment set? They haven't at all. There has been no verdict brought.

What Rangers have admitted to and always have done is using EBT's as a means for players and staff to apply for loans. They provided this information in their audited accounts year on year something that your own club failed to do, eh?

The bubble is well and truly bursting and by all accounts Daly was desperately trying to ignore the fight back.

It's strange that through all the past two years sensationalism Rangers have said nada on the subject until yesterday.

Rangers players and staff past and present then came out on mass swinging punches.

The general mood in camp Rangers is that it's rope-a-dope stuff.

I loved the supporters trusts comments the other day: "There are 18 potential sanctions and yet the most serious is being openly discussed by the powers that be despite no guilt being proven". Licking their lips for us to be proven guilty them lot.


 
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August 7 2012, 12:08 PM 

Type in 'Rangers big tax case appeal' on Google. They haven't set a punishment as Rangers appealed, it's procedure.

See an absolutely enormous problem for fans of Rangers is that you have been lied to by pretty much everyone. Almost everyone one of your directors, owners, owners affiliates, fan groups, spokesmen etc have either outright lied, held back information or indulged in complete conjecture whilst passing it off as fact. It seems, however, that as a group you don't learn. The rollercoaster of emotions is due to an almost total belief in what anyone is telling you as it's what you want to hear, then it gets shot down. See Murray, David. Repeat ad infinitum.

Remember when the BBC exposed (I say exposed, pretty much everything on it was available on the Celtic online community for months before) Whyte as the total crook he was? Rangers fans protested outside the BBC offices and called for a boycott. You couldn't make it up, outrageous siege mentality.

Now, I completely understand why Rangers fans wouldn't want to take information from it but the best bet for you lot to have listened to the goings on and dealt with them in time was to listen to the numerous individual contributors and the likes of Rangers Tax Case blog. Whilst it's not all been right, it's been an excellent resource mainly and it was months ahead of anyone mainstream in letting everyone know what went down.

The bubble is well and truly bursting? We'll wait and see, I can't believe you could be that confident in that though. Blind optimism perhaps.

 
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August 7 2012, 12:46 PM 

It would be boring if I just said "nah, you're right".

This is the first ray of light we've had and practically the first time where someone involved at Rangers has come out swinging major punches. The timing of it and the motives can't be made clear but for four or five major statements to be made by people on the inside within the space of 48 hours? That seems to me to mean something. Maybe it was down the the license being granted? Maybe it was down to the fact that Harper McLeod have found nothing? Maybe it was down to the fact that they're affiliated strongly with Celtic (using a Peter Lawell quote as endorsement on their website) or maybe it's just because they are sick and tired of the club being dragged through the mud for what they perceive to be using a perfectly legal means of tax avoidance?

Either or these will do and I am happy for it to be happening.

Stripping titles? It's amazing that this has been mentioned so readily.

Also it's known that Celtic deliberately did NOT declare their use of an EBT (only one is known). Where the fuck is the witch hunt here?

 
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August 7 2012, 12:54 PM 

Celtic used an EBT once, and paid tax on it as Quinn thought it could have been dodgy. So why would the authorities be involved? Seems you lot just want a lot of tit for tat stuff, honestly almost every statement by fans groups have resorted to whataboutery.

The RST and the like should be viewed as an embarrassment and part of the problem.

 
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August 7 2012, 1:04 PM 

Nah they're standing up for the club because they feel they have a right to.

I still haven't seen any evidence of dual contracts. I've heard stories, we all have but not a single shred of evidence.

BBC sporting letters? I'd trust their Scottish sports team as far as I could through them. MacLean and Chick Young? Hah!

The fact that the SFA have declined to even speak to Minty Murray, the guy who is behind the operations of these schemes is beyond belief. If you're going to try someone you fucking well speak to the accused, don't you? Ridiculous. I wonder who is pulling the strings?

Incidentally, the RTC blog was insightful for sure and seemed to get a lot of things right but their sources from "inside" ran out pretty quickly and they moved into the land of speculation. I am pretty certain Daly was involved in the running of that.

It's not whataboutery though it's about a fair trial. Rangers declared their EBT's and were told it was within the legal laws of the game. Now they're told by... well you tell me who... that they weren't. The fact that Celtic later paid their taxes on it matters not a jot, does it? It's not about the tax side of things here it's about whether they should be investigated for paying players the exact some way as the opposition.

If, and it's a big if with the level of incompetence and Peter Lawell pulling strings, Rangers win both cases then there will be a lot of people with a lot of backtracking and egg on their face. You must agree with that.

I am loving this fight back and would expect nothing less.

We've only heard from the side of those who assume guilt. Haven't we? Those that want guilt. Everyone else has kept shtum.

 
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August 7 2012, 1:06 PM 

Oh and finally, if Rangers are proven innocent of this then heads should roll up and down the country, in every line of sporting media whether it be football teams, football organisation or journalists. To label people cheats when they are still being investigated is nothing shy of trying to sway it.

 
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August 7 2012, 1:08 PM 

I absolutely love that you lot think Peter Lawell has the reach to influence every organisation going, it's delightfully paranoid.

You are bullish over someone you previously fully blamed coming out and defending you, fair enough.

We'll just wait and see.

 
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August 7 2012, 1:11 PM 

It wouldn't be any fun if not though.

I still don't forgive him for the financial shambles he left the club in or for selling to Craig Whyte however if he sticks his head above the parapet to defend the stripping of awards then I am right behind him.

Also, if you don't think Lawell is pulling strings then you must be blinkered. It's not in any way paranoid. How many people travelled to meet with Sky and ESPN to thrash out the deals? Why is he one of four bloody people involved in the major committee in the SPL?

Paranoia is making referees scared to leave their houses due to feeling you've been at the hands of severe bias. It's not accusing someone of having way to much influence.

I could list a whole host of things that have happened in the past few years but I won't because it's petty.

 
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August 7 2012, 1:19 PM 

Of course there has been paranoia on both sides, some will say misplaced others think merited.

One thing I think after all the misdemeanors of Rangers and their ties with the top brass at the SFA before Regan (who tried his best to get you in as high as possible by the way) is that we were not paranoid enough. Complete corporate mismanagement to the benefit of one club.

I honestly don't believe anything you lot think about Lawell is true but it is what it is. Some will see truth in it, others will think it's misplaced. That's the nature of it.

 
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August 7 2012, 1:23 PM 

The nature of the Old Firm, of course.

Anyway game faces on. Big one at home to East Fife tonight. Pride of Methil and all that.

We have signed Sandaza and some Brazilian centre half today. I hope it's Goian and not Bocanegra that's leaving.

 
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August 7 2012, 1:26 PM 

Honestly how are you affording this?! It's mental. I think you'll be in the SPL next season, I also think that had something to do with Lawell being down to discuss Sky deal. Paranoia, eh?! Ha.

Who's the Brazilian guy? Think Bocanegra is a good player, not convinced on Goian though.

 
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August 7 2012, 1:41 PM 

Goian started the season like a rock then got injured and looks useless. Don't know how often that has happened.

Well we're affording it because it looks likely we'll have a load of season tickets sold this season. For a club in Division 3 that is pretty good.

Green must have some working capital otherwise he wouldn't be signing these players.

Their wages are all around the 5k mark.

What you have to remember is we need to build a squad that will get us through the next season and a half before we can sign again. Added to that we still have to be competitive in the cups. We can't be turning up and losing 8-0 to Celtic because we've signed Arbroath reserves.

 
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August 7 2012, 1:59 PM 

Personally speaking I'd love for you to sign Arbroath reserves ad get pumped 8-0 in a cup game to us!

 
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August 7 2012, 3:03 PM 

Hahah aye, it can't be done.

It's not as if they're top players we're signing.

A former Lazio, Brazilian defender who is 32 and I've never heard of. We've experience in this country with Brazilian Centre Halves, eh?

Kevin Kyle - not played since a year past January

Dean Sheils - okay we'll have him, he could've kept going

Iain Black - a honest if slightly thuggish journeyman Scottish pro.

 
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August 8 2012, 10:29 AM 

Some crowd last night Niall, did you go?

 
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August 8 2012, 11:40 AM 

Aye figures vary from just under 40,000 to a complete sell out. Fuck knows.

Never made it myself, no. Things are a bit of a struggle in terms of cash just now so I can't justify the money for a night out at the football.

 
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August 8 2012, 12:02 PM 

I'd heard you had closed a tier which holds about 8,000 but apart from that a sell out. Not bad for East Fife!

 
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