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August 20 2011 at 7:52 AM
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Is Creationism Scientific?

Apologetic creationists make the claim that the order and timing of the events described in Genesis are scientifically accurate, and thus could only be the result of divine knowledge (notwithstanding the fact that a proper argument requires at least two premises and a conclusion to be valid).

Are the apologetic creationists right? Is Genesis accurate in the order and timing of the events it describes in the creation accounts? Is Genesis a historical narrative that accurately describes the appearence of life?

Even a cursory examination shows it is not.
To see how so, let's go through the creation accounts verse by verse.......





No matter the nature of the proposition, if it is explicitly posed as a truth statement, then what it necessarily infers and implies must and should be true as well. If not, then there's something amiss with the explicitly posed.

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Genesis 1:6 "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."
Genesis 1:7 "And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so."
Genesis 1:8 "And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

Verily.

 

The word "firmament" refers to a hard, clear wall or divider; the ancient belief that the stars and planets were held in the sky by a huge transparent wall or roof.

The "waters above" the firmament were presumed to be huge reservoirs of water in the sky, from which, it was presumed in ancient times, rain came through holes in the firmament.

This is mentioned too during the flood story in Genesis 7:11, which says "the windows of heaven were opened", and in Genesis 8:2, which says "the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained".

It is also referred to by other verses in the Bible such as

 

Acts 14:17, where God "gave us rain from heaven"

Deuteronomy 11:11, which says "But the land, whither ye go to possess it, is a land of hills and valleys, and drinketh water of the rain of heaven"

Deuteronomy 11:17, which says "And then the LORD's wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain"

Deuteronomy 28:12, which says "The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season"

Isaiah 55:10, which says "For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud"

Revelations 11:6, which says "These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy"

 

There is, of course, no "firmament" that holds rainwater or stars up in the sky. The ancient writers of the Bible, having no knowledge or understanding of "gravity", simply postulated that this hard clear sphere *must* be there, or else the stars and planets would all fall down, and that the "firmament" must have "windows" to let the rain through.

They were scientifically mistaken and since the Sun still hasn't been created, no "evening" and "morning" possible either. 

 

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To be continued


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Does your God have vocal chords? If not ..

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August 20 2011, 12:07 PM 

...why go further than "And God said.."?

Just curious.

 
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Today, the claim is being made

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August 22 2011, 2:29 AM 

 

.... that the way, order and timing of the events described in Genesis are scientifically accurate. This claim is being made by (apologetic) creationists, and they do so through a discipline they call creation science or scientific creationism or intelligent designer theory.

Let's go with that claim then and see where it leads.

Hence Science Examines Creationism




rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : incontrovertibility
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -


New!! Improved!! Now With CD-Formula!!
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CD: short for inevitability

 
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August 22 2011, 11:23 PM 

Can't find such a claim here.

Are you sure it was today?

Please repost it if you will (or make a link).

 
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Science Examines Creationism

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August 24 2011, 7:24 PM 

 

creation science, scientific creationism etc.




rejected and denied by many, accepted and embraced by few : incontrovertibility
- it is not what we (think we) know that matters, it is what we can show true that does
as the maxim demands; truth is demonstrably fact and fact is demonstrably true
everything else ... mere BS -


New!! Improved!! Now With CD-Formula!!
[linked image]

CD: short for inevitability

 
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hmmm ...so that's it?

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August 25 2011, 4:10 PM 

It's easy to imagine your frustration after reading all that.

Amazing how folks can't move on when they could easily move forward with the best of all.

For instance, comparing apples to oranges is simple and usually over with quickly. Apples and oranges being different fruits of which some folks like both equally and some people prefer one over the other ...end of story...

...yet evidently some people still feel the need to make ardorous competition out of comparisons historically verified as being as pointless and fruitless as they are "unfalsifiable".

People make comparisons about anything and everything instead of sharing whatever truth they have gleaned from their personal chaos..and moving on.

No complaints here and your view is appreciated...but since apples are still apples and oranges still oranges folks better pray today's science don't evolve them into walking upright.

 
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