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Google reports 'alarming' rise in censorship by governments

June 18 2012 at 4:08 PM
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Google reports 'alarming' rise in censorship by governments

Search engine company has said there has been a troubling increase in requests to remove political content from the internet



There has been an alarming rise in the number of times governments attempted to censor the internet in last six months, according to a report from Google.

Since the search engine last published its bi-annual transparency report, it said it had seen a troubling increase in requests to remove political content. Many of these requests came from western democracies not typically associated with censorship.

It said Spanish regulators asked Google to remove 270 links to blogs and newspaper articles critical of public figures. It did not comply. In Poland, it was asked to remove an article critical of the Polish agency for enterprise development and eight other results that linked to the article. Again, the company did not comply.

Google was asked by Canadian officials to remove a YouTube video of a citizen urinating on his passport and flushing it down the toilet. It refused.

Thai authorities asked Google to remove 149 YouTube videos for allegedly insulting the monarchy, a violation of Thailand's lèse-majesté law. The company complied with 70% of the requests.

Pakistan asked Google to remove six YouTube videos that satirised its army and senior politicians. Google refused.

UK police asked the company to remove five YouTube accounts for allegedly promoting terrorism. Google agreed. In the US most requests related to alleged harassment of people on YouTube. The authorities asked for 187 pieces to be removed. Google complied with 42% of them.

In a blog post, Dorothy Chou, Google's senior policy analyst, wrote: "Unfortunately, what we've seen over the past couple years has been troubling, and today is no different. When we started releasing this data, in 2010, we noticed that government agencies from different countries would sometimes ask us to remove political content that our users had posted on our services. We hoped this was an aberration. But now we know it's not.

"This is the fifth data set that we've released. Just like every other time, we've been asked to take down political speech. It's alarming not only because free expression is at risk, but because some of these requests come from countries you might not suspect – western democracies not typically associated with censorship."

Over the six months covered by the latest report, Google complied with an average of 65% of court orders, as opposed to 47% of more informal requests.

Last month Google announced it was receiving more than one million requests a month from copyright owners seeking to pull their content from the company's search results.

Fred von Lohmann, Google's senior copyright counsel, said copyright infringement was the main reason Google had removed links from search terms.

He said the company had received a total of 3.3m requests for removals on copyright grounds last year, and was on course to quadruple that number this year. The company complied with 97% of requests.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jun/18/google-reports-alarming-rise-censorship

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June 18 2012, 4:10 PM 

I remember when Alex Jones had his own documentaries on YouTube taken down citing "copyright infringement"..

Not only was it his own work, but anyone who listens to him knows he ENCOURAGES people to rip his documentaries and upload them anywhere they want..

It took a threat of a lawsuit for Youtube to decide he had the right to upload his own content.. wink.gif

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June 25 2012, 11:36 AM 

Not that I am legitimizing or even commenting on the Alex Jones case, but Mr. Jones documentaries could have contained copyrighted material and the owners of that material could have requested that the material be removed. This leads into the "Fair Use" debate...which are somewhat more robust here in Canada then they are in the USA.


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June 25 2012, 2:16 PM 

Nope. Only after he threatened YouTube with a lawsuit did they finally restore his documentaries.

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June 27 2012, 4:20 PM 

Nope. Only after he threatened YouTube with a lawsuit did they finally restore his documentaries.

Can you provide a link to some further discussion surrounding the Alex Jones material in question?


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June 27 2012, 4:30 PM 

I don't know of any links. There's probably archives of his radio show somewhere where he talked about it, as well as archived posts on his forums.

It started around 3 years ago when his YouTube channel was shut down. Someone had apparently reported his documentaries as copyright so YouTube shut the channel down.

He had a back and forth with YouTube stating that the documentaries were his, and he owned the copyright to them. After a few generic replies he threatened to file a lawsuit against them (again, according to him), and a few days later his channel, and all content, was restored.

He talked about it for days on his radio show. Basically YouTube shut down his channel without first verifying who the actual owner was, citing that the documentaries were copyright material belonging to Alex Jones (which is ridiculous considering during many of said documentaries, he advocates the distribution of his films), and after contacting them stating HE was Alex Jones, he was met with generic copy/paste replies from YouTube, and he claims to have threatened them with lawsuit (could just be sensationalism, who knows), but after he said that, the channel was restored a couple of days later.

 
 


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June 30 2012, 2:14 PM 

By the way for those of you interested, the entire Google Transparency Report can be found here...

http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/


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June 30 2012, 2:33 PM 

The funny thing about YouTube is, you can't just flag a video or channel for copyright infringement... you need to prove you're the owner of the content, etc.. as per their message when trying to report an infringement..

"We can only process copyright complaints submitted by authorized parties in accordance with processes defined in law. There may be significant legal penalties for false notices. Please refer to our Copyright Center for more information and the complete instructions."

So we need to believe either YouTube was being very lax in their verification of who owned the content, and were subject to a fraudulent claim of ownership, or there was a higher power involved, intent on censoring his material, thinking he would roll over and take it, instead of fighting it..

That's all for todays conspiracy theories.. driving up to the cottage later for Canada Day... booze, friends and thick steaks on the BBQ.. wink.gif

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June 30 2012, 2:41 PM 

"So we need to believe either YouTube was being very lax in their verification of who owned the content, and were subject to a fraudulent claim of ownership, or there was a higher power involved, intent on censoring his material, thinking he would roll over and take it, instead of fighting it.."

...or alternately Alex Jones took down his own material and claimed it was removed from YouTube to create publicity for himself... wink.gif


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June 30 2012, 2:45 PM 

Nope, when YouTube content is removed on copyright grounds, the message displayed says that it was taken down due to copyright infringement, which was the message everyone was getting when trying to access his documentaries. If it was taken down by the user, it says the content was removed by the user.



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June 30 2012, 2:47 PM 

The image people were getting was similar to this (Replace "LEGO" with "Alex Jones Productions" and "GCN Radio" IIRC:

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June 30 2012, 3:09 PM 

...actually the only mention that I can find with respect to Alex Jones videos being removed from YouTube is regarding YouTube's decision to remove his videos for violating "Community Guidelines".

http://www.infowars.com/google-you-tube-ban-alex-jones/

If you have some links to the removal of Alex Jones videos due to copyright infringement I would really appreciate it if you could post some links, as copyright law is something of a hobby of mine...and yes I really am that boring. wink.gif


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June 30 2012, 3:14 PM 

That was another time. There was multiple times. Even one more recently IIRC with the "ChangeDaChannel" Alex Jones documentary being removed as well, having all its hits (and depending on how many hits your video has on YouTube, that determines its standing when searching for it) reset as well (which actually made it more popular when it was re-uploaded)..

Here's the video from his radio show on it..



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June 30 2012, 3:32 PM 

Yawn...read the verifiable facts bit...it appears there was no copyright violation message...just an unsubstantiated accusation that the "ChangeDaChannel" account was hacked...no doubt by the CIA on Obama's express personal orders...

http://voices.yahoo.com/was-obama-deception-censored-just-part-guerrilla-6425216.html

...you really should read about guerrilla marketing...and trust me if you are cynical now about what the media portrays, in the immortal words of BTO "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet!" (which you should throw on during your BBQ today...great song). wink.gif


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June 30 2012, 3:35 PM 

Point being, it's another time he claims his videos were removed (there's more than one time you found), and as I said, there were many. I noticed your story was from 2010, and I remembered it, and remember the copyright reason to be quite some time before that (damn, is it 2012 already?).. I guess search a little further back.. not sure what to tell you.

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June 30 2012, 3:47 PM 

"Point being, it's another time he claims his videos were removed (there's more than one time you found), and as I said, there were many. I noticed your story was from 2010, and I remembered it, and remember the copyright reason to be quite some time before that (damn, is it 2012 already?).. I guess search a little further back.. not sure what to tell you. "

I could spend a beautiful and sunny Saturday researching back several years on infowars.com...or I could make an intelligent guess based upon verifiable facts that Mr. Jones is a shameless self-promoter (certainly the ads on his site lead one to believe that) completely capable of using deception in the promotion of his media properties and to further that image he has created the myth that Google (and main-stream media) is out to silence him.

...and if I choose the later I get to sit in my lovely little side yard all afternoon and drink beer and listen to various Canadian artists...the tough decisions I face in life! wink.gif


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June 30 2012, 3:53 PM 

Enjoy your side yard, as it's almost 11am here and it's getting close to when I plan on leaving for the cottage, as for self promoting, name me one person in independent media who isn't.. wink.gif

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June 30 2012, 4:15 PM 

...as for self promoting, name me one person in independent media who isn't...

Never said there is anything wrong with self-promotion (as long as the individual is being honest in their promotion)...but one should always keep in mind the reason why people say things and perhaps independently verify the claims of others. That holds true whether we are discussing Alex Jones and Infowars.com or myself and CyberWar Central...although the only diet I endorse is the "eat what you enjoy eating...but don't become morbidly obese fat slob" diet. wink.gif

...enjoy the friends, booze and steaks dude. happy.gif


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July 3 2012, 7:32 PM 

Ya I remember hearing about one of those. The real funny one was that 3rd party company claiming copyright ownership to Alex Jones' documentaries because they were uploaded to YouTube.. some clause in the EULA IIRC.. I don't even remember the outcome of that one. He just stopped talking about it.

The other one with his stuff getting shut down because he had a news paper article on a video I hadn't even heard about.

This has gone on for some time now with YouTube finding new and interesting ways to shut his content down.. wink.gif

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July 4 2012, 11:13 AM 

"This has gone on for some time now with YouTube finding new and interesting ways to shut his content down."

Based on what facts I can find about the incidents, it appears to me that Mr. Jones made a mountain out of molehill in an attempt to promote himself. Personally I think Alex Jones does more to discredit those who seriously look into government wrong doing than anything the government themselves does.

...think about it, if the US government can stage the entire 9/11 event, just how hard would it be for them to take out a plane that such a dangerous (to the establishment) person as Mr. Jones happened to be travelling on...or learn his route to the broadcast centre and have a tractor trailer accidentally run his car over? Honestly, if you going to believe in all manner of conspiracies surrounding the US government using Google to silence an individual for exposing their secrets...why would they waste their time when they could take him out permanently?


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July 4 2012, 2:11 PM 

He's actually spoken about that quite a bit.. his theory is that if the establishment kills him, it will make a martyr out of him.. it's in their interest to let him live and attempt to discredit him.. He's basically gotten too big. I'll bet you knew the name Alex Jones for years now.. and only just heard of Andrew Breitbart the day he died.. wink.gif

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July 4 2012, 3:31 PM 

"He's actually spoken about that quite a bit.. his theory is that if the establishment kills him, it will make a martyr out of him.. it's in their interest to let him live and attempt to discredit him.. He's basically gotten too big. I'll bet you knew the name Alex Jones for years now.. and only just heard of Andrew Breitbart the day he died."

transport truck driver...fatal accident with Mr. Jones...full public court case...official prison transfer...assassinate assassin...story and all loose ends closed. Simple, no?

He's gotten too big!?! ...quite honestly Element if you had never brought him up on WAFF I would have never heard of him. I prefer to find and verify my own facts and not have someone else do it for me...so people like Mr. Jones are entirely useless to me as I will go research things myself and I'd like to think I have enough education, knowledge and critical thinking skills to know when someone is pissing down my back while telling me it is raining. wink.gif




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July 4 2012, 3:36 PM 

I would say 80% of the stuff he talks about I dismiss because I personally can't verify it. He claims to have leaks in government that feed him secret documents (sometimes they turn out to be right, sometimes wrong, and other times we never hear about it again.. however he practically broke the Fast and Furious story LONG before the mainstream media was talking about it, which got him some negative attention calling him "crazy" lol).

It's that small 20% that are verifiable that I usually post on WAFF (and it usually ticks people off too, which makes it all the more worth while.. wink.gif )

But then again you need to ask yourself.. why would the government waste resources planning an assassination operation against someone unless they were in fact dangerous to their agenda? wink.gif

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July 4 2012, 3:39 PM 

And to be honest, that 20% of the info I can personally verify, and spread, is infinitely more valuable than stuff out of the mainstream media.. in fact, a lot of the stuff you post on this forum, he talks about himself... you don't hear about it in the mainstream though..

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July 4 2012, 5:45 PM 

"It's that small 20% that are verifiable that I usually post on WAFF (and it usually ticks people off too, which makes it all the more worth while.. wink.gif )"

Yes well WAFF is WAFF... wink.gif

"But then again you need to ask yourself.. why would the government waste resources planning an assassination operation against someone unless they were in fact dangerous to their agenda?"

Mmmmm...because assassination is the most cost effective and permanent way to silence someone?

"And to be honest, that 20% of the info I can personally verify, and spread, is infinitely more valuable than stuff out of the mainstream media.. in fact, a lot of the stuff you post on this forum, he talks about himself... you don't hear about it in the mainstream though.."

You are preaching to the choir here...you will note the vast majority of the articles I post here come from rather esoteric publications (although the mainstream media do on occasion write a rather banal piece about the topics covered here at Cyberwar Central), which was part of the reason that I created CWC was so that one could find details about things that the mainstream media glosses over.



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July 5 2012, 1:37 AM 

transport truck driver...fatal accident with Mr. Jones...full public court case...official prison transfer...assassinate assassin...story and all loose ends closed. Simple, no?

Not really, even if he wasn't assassinated, but he died naturally tomorrow, people would still assume he was assassinated and put more weight on what he was saying.

Having said that I think the man is a fraud. I have not seen much of him but what little i have seen, when he is interviewing people etc. .. He comes off as a bit of an idiot. He seems to constantly miss the point who ever he is talking with is trying to make and like you said does more to discredit people who are actually doing real work in the field. Still Like element said, he's probably worth keeping an eye on for that 20% of info he puts out that may have something to it, but even then from what I have seen he uses misdirection when it comes to root causes/who is behind the things he talks about.

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July 5 2012, 1:44 AM 

AJ can be an idiot at times, but what do you expect from a small town Texas simpleton? wink.gif

I don't like listening to his interviews especially the ones with Jesse Ventura, because Ventura makes some good points about the ruling elite that really seem to go over his head... and a lot of times he will lead who ever he is interviewing into saying things that support his point, often sensationalizing.

But it's that 20% of relevant info that is the reason why I listen to him and read his sites. That 20% is 100x more important than 90% of the stuff I read on CNN, FOX and MSNBC, including their pundits like Hannity, Beck, and others..

He exposes important stuff the controlled mainstream media simply won't touch.

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July 5 2012, 2:27 AM 

I don't think he is a simpleton, I think he intentionally presents himself as such.

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July 5 2012, 2:32 AM 

You should listen to/watch his radio shows once in awhile.. When someone starts to get technical, it's usually followed by a long pause on his part as he tries to figure out what the person is talking about, then often responds with something completely unrelated because he really has no idea what the other person was talking about. It's quite comical at times.. especially if you're watching his live show.. he gets that whole "deer in the headlights" look.. wink.gif He's a simpleton.

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July 5 2012, 2:53 AM 

^ lol, fair enough.

But if he were serious, he would of gone the way of William Cooper(who was murdered about a week ater he called Jones a fraud).

http://adventofdeception.com/deception-alex-jones/


He is fairly closely tied with Israel.
http://waronyou.com/topics/alex-jones-works-for-the-new-worls-order-vatican/

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July 5 2012, 3:01 AM 

William Cooper started his whole crusade talking about aliens... only when he was discredited did he start copying the stuff Alex Jones was reporting on.. and he ended up going out after police shot him..

Here's how Cooper started out.. (Part 1, you can watch the rest if you want.. it's funny)



And that whole Alex Jones is a "Vatican assassin" stuff is rediculous, and was used as a character smear against him with zero proof. You should hear what Jones says about Israel on his radio shows lol..

Here was Jones' response to Cooper.. Cooper was fairly small time and used to attack Jones to gain popularity..



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July 5 2012, 5:05 AM 

I'm sure you know better than me but from the little research I've done in the last 10 minutes, a lot of people claim that they have been censored when trying to bring up the vatican or the jesuite order. Or it could be a few people saying it at several places i guess.

So it isn't true that Cooper predicted 9/11 a month before Jones?


 
 
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July 5 2012, 1:23 PM 

There's also a lot of people who think the queen of England is a reptilian too.. wink.gif

And not sure about who predicted 9/11 first. I never listed to either back then.

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July 10 2012, 3:36 AM 

There's also a lot of people who think the queen of England is a reptilian too.. wink.gif

lol, yeah, most likely rubbish.

Also that Obama is a clone of an ancient Egyptian pharaoh!

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July 10 2012, 11:44 AM 



Pharaoh Obama.. Which would make Mitt Romney, Moses.. I think we all know how this ones going to end..


 
 


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July 12 2012, 11:03 AM 

"And not sure about who predicted 9/11 first. I never listed to either back then."

I believe the CIA had predicted the tactic of using hijacked airliners as missiles several years before prior to 9/11. Also, if you wish to believe the Congressional hearings, the CIA was at least aware of most of the hijackers but did not share that intelligence with the FBI.


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July 13 2012, 1:59 AM 

^ But they had nothing to do with it right?

 
 


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July 14 2012, 6:57 PM 

"But they had nothing to do with it right?"

I don't know if they had anything to do with it...all I will say is that if the CIA wished to mastermind an event such as 9-11 they would not be as involved in the details of the operation as most conspiracy theorists seem to think they would be. Meaning, I cannot say whether or not the hijackers received financial aid and "ethical" direction from an intelligence agency or not, but I can be pretty sure that an intelligence agency was not involved in the execution of the events on 9-11.


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July 14 2012, 8:52 PM 

I especially like how they couldn't find the black boxes from the WTC attacks, but they found the hijackers intact passports.. wink.gif



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July 14 2012, 10:13 PM 

"I especially like how they couldn't find the black boxes from the WTC attacks, but they found the hijackers intact passports."

You see E, this where you and I differ. I cannot say whether or not some relatively intelligent "Oliver North" (please note, I do not believe that Oliver North was any smarter than my Labrador...in fact I think he was clueless fall guy) of the CIA thought this through and funded/encouraged the hijackers to go do what they did. From what I have experienced in life, the events of 9-11 would cost no more $50,000...if you got in at the right time.

...but I can say that it is highly unlikely that the CIA actively manipulated evidence after the events on September 11th, 2001 occurred.


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July 14 2012, 11:05 PM 

I don't think we differ. I was simply commenting on the fact that the attack created such a blaze as to bring down the towers, and destroy the black boxes along with it, yet their passports remained intact. I am not insinuating it was an inside job. Just stating facts I found amusing.. wink.gif

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July 15 2012, 2:50 PM 

"destroy the black boxes along with it, yet their passports remained intact."

More unlikely events have occurred...I recall reading somewhere a crew member of a Lancaster Bomber that broke up survived a fall from 10,000 feet without a parachute and another similar story regarding a stewardess who fell from a similar height and survived.


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July 16 2012, 5:45 AM 

...but I can say that it is highly unlikely that the CIA actively manipulated evidence after the events on September 11th, 2001 occurred.


http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html



"I recall reading somewhere a crew member of a Lancaster Bomber that broke up survived a fall from 10,000 feet without a parachute and another similar story regarding a stewardess who fell from a similar height and survived."

http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/ffresearch.html

 
 


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July 17 2012, 11:06 AM 

^..."Near Bochum, Germany: Joe Herman was hurled out of his aircraft without a parachute, but encountered John Vivash on the way down."

Define encountered? wink.gif

(Interesting site by the way...goes to prove there is something for every interest on the Internet.)


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July 22 2012, 12:11 PM 

By the way I certainly do not put it past governments to manipulate information to deceive their own citizens (heck that is major part of what this site is about), I just have my doubts that any organization could be so directly involved in a major event and manage to keep it secret for a decade.


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July 25 2012, 4:48 AM 

If it's a secret why do so many people know about it?

Also, I would like to know where you get the impression that so many people had to know about it? The "terrorists" just needed to think they were working for Bin laden, NORAD needed to think they were just running exercises, CIA had to think they were doing their jobs. Sure there would be questionable orders here and there but these men are trained to obey. You really don't need that many people actually knowing what was going on.

Operation Northwoods shows that the joint chiefs had great faith in their ability to fool the US public in exactly the manner that is being suggested for 9/11.

 
 
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