School Name: Saba
Location: Netherlands Antilles
Basic Science Tuition:
$4,950.00/semester
Clinical Science Tuition:
$5,450.00/semester
USA Clinical Rotations: Yes
Time required for MD: 40 months
So you can not do clinicals in Cali or NY, nor can you do residency in either of those states. But is it possible to practice medicine, after residency, in those states?
Posted on Oct 22, 2002, 10:02 AM from IP address 128.218.166.222
No you can't do clinicals or be licensed in California at this time. You can do 12 weeks of rotations in NY hospitals, but cannot do residency except in a VA facility. You can get licensed there after residency. Saba will have a NY inspection early next year according to the request they sent me for my permanent ECFMG certificate. California is supposed to follow after that.
Posted on Oct 22, 2002, 10:02 PM from IP address 208.188.113.19
Hey, Dr.Z, I will believe the site inspection when it actually happens. I seem to remember constantly being told that they were working on it or it was around the corner.
Hope all is well with your gas passing.
Posted on Oct 23, 2002, 5:14 AM from IP address 155.139.68.10
I plan on applying to SABA for the may 2003 entrance date, and was wondering if anyone had any advice on when I should send off my application.
I have a cum. gpa of 2.6 (due to screwing around in my earlier days of school) and an MCAT of 23 11v, 6bs, 6ps.
I realize full well that even for a Caribbean school, I am not particularly competitive of a candidate, and I was wondering if I should send my application off right now, or wait until the beginning of December when my grades for this current fall term are available.
I already have a degree, but am taking upper level science courses this fall in the hopes of strengthening my application. I am taking microbiology, cell biology, and vertebrate physiology, and am doing well in all classes.
So should I turn my app in now, while noting to SABA that I am currently taking these courses, or wait a month or so and apply when they will be able to see my grades for the current semester?
I know applying early can help a less competitive candidate like me, would waiting until December be too late to really help for May '03?
Thanks!
Posted on Oct 21, 2002, 7:42 PM from IP address 66.61.16.14
Actually, if you take a look at the new physician application on the state board's website, you'll see that New Mexico only disapproves of schools which have been disapproved by California. Conversely, schools don't have to be approved by California to be approved in New Mexico.
BTW: there are currently a couple of Saba grads in Residency in NM. That doesn't insure licensing, but if Saba were disapproved, Saba students probably wouldn't be able to do anything in NM.
The website is confusing about Cali and NM Board approval. I just spoke to the New Mexico Board of Medical Examiner's office today and they said to me, in no un-ceratin terms, that they use the California list of approved schools as their own. Though it appears to state otherwise on the website, a school must indeed be approved in California for you to get a license in New Mexico.
Oops!
Best of Luck!
Posted on Oct 21, 2002, 2:05 PM from IP address 66.56.16.5
I was just wondering if anyone knows how SABA wants us to calculate our premed gpas when we apply?
If we have repeated a course, do we factor in the grades for each attempt into our overall premed gpa, or only the most recent (and hopefully the best) grade?
As for our cumulative gpa, do we just write down what our school officially records, or do we again recalculate only counting the most recent of any repeated courses? I have taken summer classes at other institutions other than my home one, so I am not sure on what to do.
And finally, what courses should we include when calculating our premed gpa, should it be all science and math classes or just those specifically mentioned as required to apply?
thanks!
Posted on Oct 21, 2002, 1:02 AM from IP address 66.61.16.14
I am a little confused...Perhaps someone can explain this to me...I know some people brag about big name schools such as St. George and Ross. However in considering a FMS, it is important to look at some factors:
1. to make sure the school is registered with WHO as well as their clinical placement rates, residency match, etc.
2. also it is wise to look at the percent rate of students who pass the USMLE I. So, by looking at Ross U stats., the number is low as compared with Saba. So, how good can Ross be?
Posted on Oct 3, 2002, 5:45 AM from IP address 130.68.67.219
NO one cares what foreign med school you went too!!!
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The only thing they care about is your board score and that your grades mirrow hhow you did on the boards. Trust me if you got straight C's in a carribean school and got a 240 on step 1 one may step back and call it a fluke. Get good grades and a good score, the name of the school is inconsequential unless the guy interveiwing you went to that school. Your ERAS application will show it all. Right now at least at Harbor and Union In Baltimore the Saba scores are kicking major ass as my class and apparently the one before had some major high scores so right now Saba is a legend. However this Im sure will cycle and Ross or AUC or St. Georges will take the spot light for a time. Saba has to its credit kicked out some good students and beleive me there is absolutely no difference in how we are looked at to how St. Georges is looked at. I have to be honest if I could not go to SAba or MUA I consider going to ST. Christophers in England. I have been rotating with many students and have heard nothing but decent comments overall. That is another impressive school who is an up and comer with a decent home office that seems to know what the heck they are doing. In a matter of 6 years it also has a tremendous US clinical list. HOwever it is expensive to live and England and Saba living is dirt cheap. You are not going to get a room in England for 250-300 a month like on SABA. Saba is extremely reasonable and probably one of the cheapest islands to live on down there. But apparently back on the subject of St. Christophers.....They recently got some sort approval of European or British Approval which apparently makes them recognized to a greater degree. If dollar and cents matter and you want US clincals my ranking would be 1. Saba 2. MUA 3. St Christophers. If money is no object 1. St. Georges 2. Saba 3. Ross (you gotta like the fact 5th smemester is in Miami :) 4. MUA 5. St. Christophers 6. AUC (mainly because of an overwhelming student dissatisfaction which continues even as I talk to AUC students here at Harbor and Union.
Posted on Oct 9, 2002, 7:45 AM from IP address 207.19.126.2
With all do respect, I need to call you on this one. For some residencies, this is the case; however, for many of them, this is not the case. There are definitely programs that do look at foreign medical schools differently.
For instance, just look at the number of people who have obtained some of the more "sought after" residencies such as Ortho, Optho (I know Saba has one now), ENT, Derm, etc. Yes, these are hard for US students to get, and even harder for IMGs to obtain; however, I think that you will see that those from schools like Ross and St. Georges are more likely to have opportunities to get them.
Trust me, when I was on the interview scene, I know of students from the "more prestigious" schools that got more interviews than I did despite me having higher board scores and coming from Saba. I was denied interviews from programs when they saw that I was from Saba (They did not even have downloaded my grades, board scores, letters of Rec, etc.)
I think that I can safely say that at this time, there are many more people that know of St. Georges and will probably extend more interviews to those from St. Georges than to those from Saba.
Once again, I have been through the process, I have seen it first hand, and I speak from experience.
Posted on Oct 10, 2002, 3:56 PM from IP address 207.74.113.93
may be when you applied, SABA were brand new so they haven't heard of the school yet. Another thing is that if for some reason they don't like someone (after they interviewed the person) of course they wouldn't pick that person regardless of the score, school attended. Would you pick some elegant person who has the top score or a person who has a decent score but has more qualified characters? You mentioned that they picked someone over you, maybe that interviewee has characters that impressed the interviewers (i'm not putting you down). Therefore, I don't think it was because of the school; otherwise you wouldn't be invited for that particular interview.
People often compare one caribbean school to another, if you compare the lowest standard carribbean school to some school in China, Vietname (i mentioned these countries b/c i have been treated by a few doctors from those regions before) or some none-English speaking countries, the caribbean school will becomes famous to the US students. However, I don't think the residency program look at it that way, because i have seen many asian doctors at UCLA, UCIrvine, UCDavis, Berkley ...(Ivy-league huh) who are in all range of practice; these guys have a heavy accent, spoke poor English, some was learning how to communicate in English while they were in residency training, many of them even have been teaching medical students at the schools mentioned earlier.
Finally, i don't think it really matters where you when to medical school (of course it has to be listed in the WHO). I think what matter is that your usmle scores and the way you carry yourself.
Posted on Oct 10, 2002, 8:10 PM from IP address 198.81.26.208
Saba takes only 40 students roughly a sememster and certainly because of its relative new age does not attract the caliber of students that St. Georges attracts and of course this reflects in the board scores which ultimately decides the type of residency. Your point is well taken since st. george has many more students in residency positions who help make decisions on who gets where but trust me as saba pumps out more graduates and higher scores we will catch up quick and already are.
Posted on Oct 11, 2002, 12:48 PM from IP address 207.19.126.2
What rotations does saba have that have residency programs? I want to do a residency in surgery and I know some students are in Greeley, Co, Houma, La, & Baltimore, MD.
Just need some info for people who have done their surgery rotation.
Posted on Oct 14, 2002, 2:48 PM from IP address 12.77.140.95
There are several surgery rotations that are part of residency programs.
Union Memorial (Baltimore): I don't know how it works now, but when I was there several years ago, doing a rotation guaranteed an interview. Categorical spots for an IMG used to require a board score of 250+, but I suspect that has changed.
Memorial Regional (Hollywood, FL): A very tough rotation, big time trauma center. A Univ of Miami affiliate.
St.Lukes (Kansas City, MO) UMKC, very humane program, only categorical spots given, took a Ross guy last year. Great board scores a must!
Saba also has a rotation is Mass, that is BU affiliated.
Hope this helps. Be VERY sure that this is what you want to do before you start on this path. Surgery is an insane residency even at the most benign place.
Posted on Oct 16, 2002, 5:45 AM from IP address 208.188.113.19
I live in Texas and really want to practice in Texas after I graduate medical school. I am considering attending SABA, but SGU is a close second. I have heard Texas is hard to get, how can it be done?
Posted on Oct 15, 2002, 5:36 PM from IP address 64.216.47.37
What are my chances of getting in with an overall 2.95 gpa and no mcat. Also I have all required prerequisites and I have a Chiropractic background so I have a lot of the basic sciences that I will have to repeat. Feel free to email me with any suggestions, advice, and somethings I might not know about SABA. By the way are there any African-American students at SABA? What is the average age of the students?
Posted on Oct 9, 2002, 1:42 PM from IP address 24.199.176.213
As far as your chances of acceptance go, I think the fact that you do not have the MCAT might hurt you along with the GPA. HOWEVER, if you can explain this to the admissions committee sufficiently, they may give you a shot. I would apply and see what happens. Have you talked with the Saba admissions office yet? I have found them to be helpful and courteous so give them a call. Keep us posted and good luck.
Posted on Oct 14, 2002, 10:15 AM from IP address 63.52.23.139
Everybody sould study this accreditation site. It is VERY unbiased, staff is easy to contact and not the least, they all seem to have no grudges against anyone else..
Saba is really great..
Posted on Oct 14, 2002, 6:38 AM from IP address 200.50.77.112
Hey guys... hope all is well there. I have been accepted to SABA for a Sep 2003 start date. I am every excited about embarking on this unique opportunity but need some confusion cleared up for me. As soon as I am finally at ease in regards to my decision to attend SABA I start to hear negatives. I was talking to an MD here in the states and he told me that the "sad truth" is that many carib med schools are scams and that even after spending $100,000 on an education the large majority of carib grads never practice medicine in the states. Is this true? Also he went on to say that carib med schools will accept anyone who pays regardless of background and intellect. Now I know SABA requires 90 undergrad credit hours to apply but 90 hours doesnt even finish a bachelors. How can they accept students who never graduated from college into med school? Does this happen, I dont understand how it could possibly. I guess the bottom line im trying to get at, is if I am to attend SABA and work my tail off, I was thinking that praciticing in the US would be a realistic goal. But I dont want to sell myself short and fall into a scam and sit through courses where a majority of the students didnt even complete college? Isnt a college degree a requirement? What are you guys opinions on the whole carib education being a scam and the fact that they "just accept anyone,as long as you can pay" Are these rumors or reality. I found it quite interesting that the third question they asked me during the SABA interview was "how will you be financing this" That was even before we spoke of clinicals??
HELP ME PLEASE -- KEVIN
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Posted on Sep 16, 2002, 8:09 PM from IP address 64.12.96.198
if this makes you feel better, you dont have to have a degree even to get into a lot of US med school, Dental, pharmacy, etc you just have to have the "pre-X" requirement...getting a degree is just a bonus, would you feel better if a art history pre med BA was in your class as a opposed to a guy with only the premed requirements? its just more crap really, i think the 90 hr cut off is too make sure u have 2 or 3 yrs of maturity added to you after high school....other wise you'd have an 18 yr old next to you snickering during the reproduction lecture =)
Posted on Sep 16, 2002, 9:01 PM from IP address 24.243.18.152
you don't need one to go to medical school as long as you get accepted(with full prereq). A degree won't help you to get in residency/license. If it makes you feel better, SABA and MUA also offer a BS after basic science. Hope this takes care of the degree questions.
Posted on Sep 28, 2002, 12:10 PM from IP address 198.81.16.181
Hi Kevin, I personally think that the rumours for SABA is wrong. SABA has a very high standard as to what kind of students they accept. In fact, my fiance told me that all students there have at least completed a bachelor degree, most of them have even had their masters done in the States or Canada. The materials for the first semester is not easy and cannot be handled by simply high school grads. Saba has a really good reputation throughout the Caribbeans or it could not have been listed as one of the medical schools in WHO. Do some more research on SABA over the Internet and you will see how good SABA is in comparison to the other Caribbean Med schools.
Good Luck!
Penguindy B
Posted on Sep 17, 2002, 6:07 AM from IP address 64.229.190.105
Hi Kevin. I was accepted to the Fall 2002 semester but for family reasons have had to defer to the Fall 2003 class so I guess I will eventually meet you. I have done as much research on Saba and Caribbean med schools as anyone. I have talked to numerous physicians about Caribbean schools. Here are the facts:
1. There is some truth to the fact that Saba (and most other Caribbean schools) accept most students who apply. Since Saba only has a class of 40 (3 times a year) I am SURE that they deny some people admission. However, it is obvious that the acceptance criteria are lower. These schools give students who have a past blemish on their academic records a chance to become a doctor. That is the bottom line. Do not be dissuaded by people who tell you that these are not legitimate schools. Granted, it is the more difficult way to become a doctor but it is certainly possible. You will find that even the US schools will occasionally accept some students with only 90 hours of academic work. It is NOT a requirement even for the US schools that a student have an undergrad degree. However, probably 99.5% do have an undergrad degree.
2. I met with a recent grad from Saba about 6 months ago for dinner. He is finishing his 3rd year of family practice residency and had nothing but good things to say about Saba. You cannot get any more reliable info about Saba than from a recent grad. He has already signed a contract with the state of Florida to go there and practice for about 4-5 years while they pay his loans. They are allotting him $125,000 to set up his practice and will pay him a salary of $125,000. Not too bad for a Caribbean schools??? That is reality. He studied like crazy and did well on the boards. He told me that the subject of going to Saba was NEVER a subject in his interviews and he had 30 residency interviews!
3. Many of the students who attend Saba are American and DO practice in the US. No doubt about it. Some students are not Americans and hence go back to their own countries to practice. There is no validity to the statement that most Caribbean students do not practice in the US.
4. I work in clinical research conducting drug trials for pharmaceutical companies and I can tell you for FACT that I have met many doctors who have graduated from a Caribbean med school and are VERY successful in the US.
5. I find the question about how to finance your education at Saba interesting. It never came up in my interview. No doubt they are interested in making money. However, I am self-employed and I can tell you there is NOTHING wrong with providing a service and getting paid for it! They provide the opportunity to train us as doctors and that is a service worth making a profit over. Ask any Caribbean doctor who is successfully practicing and this will not even be an issue. What I would ask is ...Do the US schools not want to make a profit? Do they not make sure their students are able to pay? Of course they do! They wouldn't be in business if they didn't make a profit. I know most of the US schools if not all of them are Non-profit but that is only an IRS designation for what they must do with their profits...trust me, they make a profit also.
4. If you "work your tail off" and score well on the boards, you will find MANY doors of opportunity open to you. DO NOT be discouraged. You will drive yourself crazy. I would recommend that you go to Saba's website and look at the residency placements. See if there is a recent grad in your area and call him/her and ask if you can take him/her to dinner and pick his/her brain. Bring the spouses too. That is exactly what I did and it was well worth the $50 for dinner. His wife even brought pictures of the island as the living conditions were and are a big concern for my wife (we have 2 kids under three).
I hope I have given you some encouragement. I am 31 years old and I think I have learned some good lessons in life...one of the biggest is that NOBODY gives you anything for free. If you are willing to work hard, stay focused, tune out the negative comments from others, you will succeed. Being self-employed proves to me that you get nothing for free. Let me finish by asking this: Are you pursuing medicine with the idea of impressing people or do you sincerely want to help people? If the answer is the latter, Saba will give you the opportunity. It is up to you to make it a reality. Do not be discouraged! Feel free to email me and we can chat more.
Posted on Sep 17, 2002, 6:24 AM from IP address 63.52.27.232
ALL I CAN THINK TO SAY IS THANK YOU FOR YOUR MESSAGE. I AM 29 YRS OLD AND FIND MYSELF ON THE PATH TO SABA. I WAS INTERESTED IN ROSS AND ST GEORGE BUT CAN NOT AFFORD THEM.I HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE INCLUDING MY LOVING MOTHER TO TELL ME THAT I AM TOO OLD TO START MED SCHOOL. I HAVE WANTED THIS SINCE I BANDAGED MY TEDDY BEARS. DUE TO FAMILY STRESSORS I ENDED UP WITH A GED AFTER ATTENDING 4 YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL. ALTHOUGH I AM NOW AN RN WITH A 3.61 GPA UNDERGRAD PEOPLE STILL THINK ME INCAPABLE INCLUDING MY SO CALLED PRE MED ADVISOR. I HAVE GONE FROM A CNA TO AN LPN TO AN RN WHILE WORKING FULL TIME TO SUPPORT MYSELF. IT IS NOW TIME TO FOLLOW MY MIND INSTEAD OF EVERYONE ELSES. I DONT CARE IF IT IS A SCHOOL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT, IF IT IS EQUIPPED TO HELP YOU REACH YOUR GOALS I SAY GO FOR IT !!! MANY PEOPLE PICKED AT THAT GED OF MINE. IT SITS NEXT TO MY RN AND IT WILL SIT NEXT TO MY MD ONE DAY GOD WILLING. BELIEVE IN YOURSELF AND ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.
Posted on Sep 21, 2002, 1:31 AM from IP address 199.44.37.201
Eirka. I too am of the non-traditional status as I am 31 now and will be 32 by next September. I applaud your motivation and admire your perseverance. I look forward to meeting you. Have you applied and been accepted yet? Feel free to email me anytime about the admissions process or if you need to vent or ask my opinion (that is one thing I am an expert on...MY opinion!!!).
Posted on Sep 21, 2002, 9:20 AM from IP address 63.52.27.206
I'm also an RN who has been following this board for information regarding Foreign Med Schools. US med school is not an option for me because I don't think I will do well on the MCAT. I graduated with a BSN in 1991 (I'm much older than you..LOL) Personally, I would pick Saba also. Our backsgrounds are very similar. I do have a burning desire to go back to school, and it's not for a NPL like most of my RN friends. I have not share any of my feelings with my friends yet because I don't think they will understand. With your work experience, you should do well in med school--especially in clinical. Let face it, at least we know how to avoid being paged in the middle of the night. Always write your orders through the night nurses' eyes....LOL...you will get more sleep that way...
Good luck and please post your progress.
LeAnne
Posted on Sep 21, 2002, 2:03 PM from IP address 63.197.120.117
Most pre-med advisors are unwilling to or incapable of dealing with anyone who is not from the same cookie cutter. I kept running into that at various schools when I was told what I should have done "years ago". My favorite was an "advisor" who, when asked about foreign medical schools, told me he had heard of students going to Belgian and Swiss schools. It was then I realized I really was in it on my own.
I could mention the age thing (I've got you beat by nearly 15 years), but you might want to correspond with Dr. Anne Butsch on the AUC board (she's got me beat by a few years and she has just started residency).
We can't change the past. We can only work toward the future. Listen to that voice.
Best of Luck!
P.S. Great post by Dennis
Posted on Sep 22, 2002, 12:50 PM from IP address 66.56.16.5
Don't let anything stop you from doing what you want to do. A GED is equilvalent to a HS diploma. Most people know that there are more to learn beyond HS. A few months ago, a physician from Arizona was nominated for United States Surgeon General. He dropped out of HS, got his GED, and graduated as Valedictorian in his medical school class. He is currently a trauma physician in Phenoix and works as a part-time police officer. I don't have his name in my head, but if you search the CNN article dating back to March-April 2002, you can located it. Like most people including you, he has come a long way.
Good luck with your career!!!
Posted on Sep 23, 2002, 9:30 PM from IP address 130.70.142.115
and flunk the surgeon exams 7x, yet never gave up. I was 41y/o last august. I am doing my clinicals. Actually, I am on-call tonight. No labor/delivery yet, just surfin'. I guess you are too young for caribean medical school. you will do great especially when you get to the clinicals. Blah, Blah, it is true some could not make it, so what. The same way some can't make it through the high school but that does not define you. Yeah! medical school in the caribean is about money but don't tell me all these ivy league schools and private schools in the states is for charities. They make their money and you get the MD. Like researching guy said---listen to that small voice and follow your dream. Next year, I will have another name--MD. And I can't wait for it. The pager just went off, I've gotta go and check with the nurses. Good luck.
Posted on Sep 27, 2002, 10:11 PM from IP address 63.103.68.142
Erika,
with your GPA and work experience you should honestly have no problem getting into medical school in the US. If you look at the average GPA for a majority of schools you will find theat tehy range from 3.4 - 3.7. The key is to get at around a 30 on the MCAT and apply wisely. By wisely, I mean it never hurts to apply to IVY league or UCSF, but do not get your hopes up without being published. If you apply to "second tier" US med schools you will find that you are actually very competitive. Many schools will take the fact that you have worked your way up through the ranks and supported yourself through school. Get good atrong recs, do well on the MCAT and have a strong essay and you will do fine.
Also, DO programs are also a very good option that will allow you more opportunities for residency than a foreign school. However, DO programs are also the most expensive ranging form 24K - 37k a year in just tuition.
By the way I am 28 and 29 is definitely not too old for med school. The average age of admission for many schools in the US has risen over the years. I know of several whose average age of admission is between 30-35.
Also, one last note. Some premed advisors will not advise med school except to the elite few. They want their grads to get into the best school so it looks good for them. A good friend of mine had a terrific GPA, was a nurse with 3 years of clinical experience. Because he could not take the time to attend the premed meetings, she "forgot" to send in his faculty letters of rec to the schools until just before the deadline. This set him back a year for starting med school due to her attitude. So, do what need to to and take what an advisor says with a grain of salt.
Best of luck,
Kevin
Posted on Sep 23, 2002, 11:10 PM from IP address 67.227.168.147
Erica, I have been posting on this forum and have been asking alot of Q's in the recent past. I only wish that I was 31yoa again, but am looking forward to the big 50 on my next B-day. I have also been in healthcare with years of clinical experience as a chiropractor. I have applied to SABA, completed the tel. interview last thursday, and am eargerly awaiting a responce. My family have been very supportive of my decision to advance into a career of medicine. Don't let anyone take that dream away from you. Go for it and accomplish your goals. It's that simple. If you want it bad enough, just set your mind and do it. I too have a GED and went on to graduate the University of Texas with honors and then Texas Chiropractic College at the top of my class, even though I believe I was the oldest student in both curriculums. Keep in touch, Charley
Posted on Sep 25, 2002, 11:24 AM from IP address 205.188.209.103
you will finish medical school and residency at the age of 60? What will you do then with your MD degree? with only a few years of practice will you make enough to pay back the loan? Besides, Who would want to hire 60yo who just graduate from a foreign medical school?
Posted on Sep 25, 2002, 11:42 PM from IP address 198.153.152.135
When the Beatles started to make a lot of money, John, Ringo and George moved away from Britain to avoid the huge taxes they were having to pay on their new incomes (remember "Taxman"?).
Paul maintained his residence in England. He was asked in an interview why he decided to stay and pay such huge income taxes (apparently around 95% in his income bracket). His reply was, "Do you want to live your life or just save a few quid?".
I'm sure you were only addressing what you feel are some very genuine concerns. It is an unfortunate fact of life that medical education is so unneccesarily expensive and access to that education is so unneccesarily limited.
I think most of us who pursue our educations abroad are a little more interested in the personal fulfillment medical practice can bring and a little less interested in making big bucks.
Do what you like and the money will follow (at least enough to keep up the payments).
Best of Luck to You!
Posted on Sep 26, 2002, 5:07 PM from IP address 66.56.16.5
Anonymous, you are a huge IDIOT! My guess is that you are about 22 years old and are so wet behind the ears that you haven't a clue. Charlie, do not listen to this moron. Live your dream...simple as that.
Posted on Sep 26, 2002, 6:17 PM from IP address 63.210.117.143
While I'm not as bold to acuse the aforementioned 'idiot' of being a 22 y.o. idiot....idiots exist at all ages.... I think he's way out of line in crushing Charlie's goals and dreams. Charlie knows what he wants and he's going forth happily. If this so called 'idiot' did the math though, Charlie will not necessarily be 60 when he needs to be 'hired'. Schooling and rotations will take a maximum of 4 years...perhaps a bit less considering the Cariibb. curriculum. Tack on a 3 yr. residency as a FP, IM, or Ped, and Charlie will be singing the MD tune at the ripe, young age of 56-57 (depending on when his birthday falls and what month he completes residency.)
Of course.... Charlie already can be called "Doctor" so he's one step ahead....even if he's not an MD.
Finally, if Charlie thought in such a negative way as not to move forward with his new dreams, then he'd still be where he was years ago....just a guy with a GED.
"Do as you've always done, and you'll be as you've always been."
Cheers to you Charlie...you're a great inspiration.
Posted on Sep 27, 2002, 2:54 PM from IP address 12.40.112.190
I am a 50 y.o med student myself and I don't think these are idiotic questions. Indeed, any "mature student" ought to consider them. There is no question that, as an older student, you have more to give up and less to gain. Even so, each of our circumstances are unique and, after weighing all these factors, it can be a valid decision to decide to go to medical school -- at any age.
I see a lot of reflexive "Go for it!" cheers whenever anyone posts a query about going to med school and I often wonder whether part of this is self-validation rather than helpful advice. Med school is a long and expensive undertaking. And, if you are talented, there are a lot of interesting and challenging alternatives that enable you to make a contribution and earn a decent living. I don't think that med school is an obvious or easy choice. Although the original poster brought up valid points he could have expressed them a bit more delicately.
Posted on Oct 1, 2002, 12:40 AM from IP address 144.138.244.68
Regarding people's motives for "Go for It" Cheers when mature people decide to switch careers and go back to school. Perhaps some are self-validating, but nevertheless they are supportive. Ultimately a person making a decision needs to be comfortable and confident about his/her individual decision. Getting support is much better than those that try to squash your dreams and ideas.
Personally, I found Charley's remarks 'encouraging' since they prove to me that it's never too late (that probably qualifies as self-validating...though I'm sincerely happy for him). I'm only 29 and already taking steps to go back to school to earn a degree in medicine, but each time I read those much older doing the same thing, I realize more and more that not only is it possible to switch gears, but that I do have plenty of time. (I don't have a family yet...but want to fit it in before my clock stops ticking). A recent college grad, not yet in the work force, doesn't need to worry about the same hurdles and obstacles that an older person already in the work force faces.
It's great to know it's been done before and is still being done by others....and that those people are out there supporting each other. You and Charley are great role models for others (it's obvious in the remarks by others on the boards). And you guys deserve praise and cheers. You may not need them...you're already there, you've already made your decisions and know where you want to go at this point in your lives, but like I said it's great to feel you're not the lone ranger forging the way despite everyone working against you.
If you accomplish your dreams, that's wonderful. If you inspire others at the same time...whether you realize it or not, that's even better.
-Carey
Posted on Oct 2, 2002, 9:58 AM from IP address 12.40.112.190
Thanks for your reply. I am pleased to hear that our statements have helped in guiding your direction. Just to let you know, I recieved a letter of acceptance to SABA today and can't tell you the excitement I feel. Keep in touch and ask if you have any other Q's. Charley
Posted on Oct 3, 2002, 2:06 PM from IP address 205.188.209.103
Congrats Charley.
Although I check out the SABA forum, I've applied to MUA (pre-med) after evaulating my personal situation. I originally went to college as a science illustration major, taking classes in Bio, Chem, Anatomy, Zoology.... but ended up an art major only. Now I'm an Associate Art Director for national health care publications, and wanted to get back into the science/medical side. After intensely evaluating where I'm at, where I've been, where I want to go in life...and what's important to me, I've decided medicine is it. Since my science grades are a bit old (9-11 years!), I realized my best course of action was to retake them. I'm currently enrolled in a Bio and PreCalc class at my local college to get me into gear (on top of my full-time job....no easy task....I was warned!)
I have my interview lined up for the 23rd, and am hoping to begin classes in May.
In the meantime I plan to get my brain primed for the intensity, focus and dedication that lies ahead.
Stay tuned.......
Posted on Oct 3, 2002, 5:35 PM from IP address 12.40.112.190
Dr. B, It was good to hear from someone of my same generation. Are you attending SABA? I would appreciate hearing how your personal medical school journey has been proceeding. Thanks, Charley
Posted on Oct 2, 2002, 12:41 PM from IP address 205.188.209.103
WHO IS SUPPOSED TO DECIDE WHO CAN STUDY/PRACTICE MEDICINE? THE FACT THAT HE IS WILLING TO TAKE ON A MEDICAL EDUCATION AT 50 MEANS THAT HE DESERVES THAT CHANCE. SOME THINK THAT WOMEN OR FOREIGNERS SHOULDNT GO TO MED SCHOOL. WHO KNOWS? MANY OF THOSE PREDJUDICES HAVE US CHATTING ON THESE FORUMS AND ATTENDING/CONSIDERING CARIB SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW. MAYBE IF MED SCHOOLS LOOKED A LITTLE DEEPER THAN THE ALL AMERICAN 22 YEAR OLD BIOLOGY MAJOR WITH A 3.8 AND 30'S ON THEIR MCAT SOME DESERVING STUDENTS ON THIS FORUM WOULD HAVE A US SEAT RIGHT NOW !!! DON'T EVER TRY TO DISCOURAGE SOMEONE FROM PURSUING A DREAM. IF YOU ARE TRULY CONCERNED FOR HIS EMPLOYMENT HIRE HIM WHEN YOU SET UP PRACTICE. MAYBE IF THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY WAS MORE INCLUSIVE WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER SYSTEM ALTOGETHER. MONEY DOESNT HELP YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT. IT ALSO DOESNT MAKE YOU SMILE WHEN YOU LOOK INSIDE YOURSELF. LIVE YOUR LIFE TO THE FULLEST. DO THE RIGHT THING AND YOU WILL ALWAYS BE BLESSED.
ERIKA :-)
Posted on Sep 26, 2002, 10:16 PM from IP address 199.44.37.201
YOUR POSITIVE COMMENTS WERE THE BOOST I NEEDED TO REASSURE ME THAT I AM DOING THE RIGHT THING. I PLAN TO ENTER JAN 04 BECAUSE I NEED TO WORK THAT MUCH LONGER TO AFFORD IT. I HAVE A SUPPORTIVE HUSBAND THAT I AM THANKFUL FOR AND NICE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ENCOURAGE INSTEAD OF PICK APART OTHER PEOPLES DREAMS. YOU WILL BE BLESSED FOR IT.
ERIKA :-)
Posted on Sep 25, 2002, 9:38 PM from IP address 199.44.37.201
I THINK BOARD SCORES WILL ULTIMATELY WIN OUT FOR ANY CANDIDATE. IF U DONT MIND FP OR IM YOU SHOULD FIND SOMETHING YOU CAN BE HAPPY WITH. PLS KEEP IN TOUCH AND KEEP YOUR HEAD UP
ERIKA :-)
Posted on Sep 26, 2002, 10:21 PM from IP address 199.44.37.201
A heart felt thank you for some of the posts I have read. I am also "mature" and have been told this is just a pipe dream. I should save my money. Ya know what...this isn't about money. It'a about the feeling you get when you know you've helped someone in pain.
Posted on Sep 30, 2002, 9:42 PM from IP address 68.101.4.103
I tried to think of some piece of advice to give you but you seem to have the heart and soul of medicine wrapped up pretty tight in your short posting good luck
:-)
Posted on Oct 8, 2002, 7:13 AM from IP address 152.163.188.8
I am a graduate of AUC and have been in practice for 15 years. I cant think of any of my classmates that did not get a residency after graduation. SABA seems to be a good alternative to the "Big 3" medical schools (St. Georges,Ross, AUC). Its only problem is not being able to get residency or license in california. From what I have seen SABA gradates are getting residencies.
Now there are a lot of caribbean schools that will accept anyone for the money and they will be passed on top the next year. This is not true for the 3 big schools and SABA. They do have some admission standards and you have to do the work to pass and go on. Also the ultimate test is the boards. Go to an established school such as the big 3 or SABA, work hard, and you will get a residency. The people that dont make it think they are going to the caribbean for a vacation, or they attend one of the not well thought of schools which there are numerous. I have read that residency positions will actually get easier to get for u.s. cit. or residents because FMG's from abroad arnt applying because fo the cost fo the boards inc. CSA and because of SEPT 11, imigration not giving as many visa's. If medicini is what you want then go for it.
Posted on Sep 17, 2002, 4:07 PM from IP address 132.177.221.30
I attend another Caribbean medical school but I would like to tell you that there are SABA graduates getting good COMPETITIVE residencies. Most think the caribbean just puts out family practice doctors but if you do well on your boards and make yourself shine, you can make it happen!
Good luck to you all.
Posted on Sep 21, 2002, 2:06 PM from IP address 209.27.62.218
Whats wrong with family practice? since managed care has our healthcare system in a chokehold FPs are in a great position all around. Just think about it. Patients dont even get to the specialists until we say so and ONLY IF we cant handle the problem.
Erika future FP and proud of it. :-)
Posted on Oct 8, 2002, 7:18 AM from IP address 152.163.188.8
You need to steel yourself to rumors right now if you plan to go offshore for your medical education. According to the foreign grads I've spoken with, they just seem to get worse the further you are away from home and the further along you go with your education.
Do some people spend a lot of money on a Caribbean education to find out it pretty much worthless? Probably so. Almost all of those people attended schools which simply could not or did not prepare them to enter US medical practice.
Do lots of Americans and Canadians go overseas to study medicine and return successfully to practice in the US? It seems they do. The number of of USIMG's participating in Graduate Medical Education has increased appreciably over the past 10 years.
Your first step is good. You are accepted to a school with a proven track record of putting people into residency and licensure. If you can handle the rigors of the educational program and can roll with the punches in your persoanl life and do what it takes to complete that program, I would say you have an excellent chance of becoming a licensed Physician in the US (though not in California, from Saba...yet).
You will have huge debts (~$150,000) unless someone else pays for your education, but you will also have those two little letters behind your name (MD).
Don't freak yourself out. Contact the school and ask them for names of practicing grads. Talk directly to them. They should be able to allay your fears.
Best of Luck!
Posted on Sep 17, 2002, 9:54 PM from IP address 66.56.16.5
Listen, foreign med schools boil down to one majot question...What are your options? U're obviosly considering going to Saba because u really want to be a doctor and you dont have any other options. Having said that, for me, going to Saba was a great descicion and I would recommend it to anyone who really wants to be a doc and has no other options. Dont listen to rumours, and listen to yourself. If u really wanna make it, u'll go to any med school in the world, work your ass off and figure out a way to practice in the U.S. Of course there are uncertainties and risks...some bearable and some not. For me, I was willing to take that risk and so far its been an awesome journey.
P.S. This is my first note on this forum. I used this forum as my information portal for considering Saba, so its only time that I give something back to other people having questions. Any questions are welcome.
Posted on Sep 18, 2002, 4:30 PM from IP address 68.55.240.200
Hello. Sounds like you are an optimist!! So am I. I have been accepted to Saba beginning Jan '03. I have a couple of questions. I have heard that some Caribbean schools have "weed out" classes. Is this true of Saba?
Are there some classes at Saba that are so difficult on purpose? Did you find many students dropping out due to high difficulty levels or did most students pass and complete the pre-clinical program? Which course, in your opinion was the most difficult during pre-clinicals?
The reason I ask is, I have heard that at some foreign schools, especially in Europe, students fail out of school and then are left with huge amount of debt without a degree to show for it. Just wanted to know what to expect. Am I going to have to kill myself to get a C or above in certain classes? Hopefully you can shed some light on the subject. Thanks
Posted on Sep 25, 2002, 10:07 AM from IP address 64.12.96.198
If u study and put in the time, which by the way is not every hour of the day, u should have no problem passing all your classes. I never felt like they had any quotas or anything, u just gotta do the work. People that fail a class feel like they need to rationalize why this happened and thats where a lot of this "quota failure" deal gets blown out of proportion. By the way, 3 interviews so far, and its barely october!
Posted on Oct 1, 2002, 5:05 PM from IP address 68.55.240.200
Is Saba anything like Ross where they purposely fail students in certain classes or is there a better atmosphere for colaborative learning and not so cut throat? Did many students fail out or transfer that you noticed while attending Saba. Just curious....
Posted on Sep 25, 2002, 10:48 AM from IP address 205.188.209.103
I am just at the very beggining of the whole application process. I'm actually from the UK where i did my alevels - (end of high school exams) - about 5 years ago and have been working since. Do you think that i should do the MCATS first before i apply?
Also i wanted to apply for sept 2003, would that be full up by now?
finally on the application form SABA and some other med schools have a section: What other foreign med schools are you applying to? Why do they want to know this. i am practically applying to everyone, should i be a bit more conservative?
Posted on Oct 4, 2002, 4:28 PM from IP address 80.225.220.58
Yeah, you should take the mcat before u apply. Just try to make a decent score on it. Not sure why they care where else u apply. It probably deos'nt make any difference what u put as an answer. I applied to Ross, AUC, St. Georges, and Saba. U may be able to get a spot for the Sept class, just tell them during your interview that u really want to start in September.
Posted on Oct 10, 2002, 4:58 PM from IP address 68.55.240.200
Some foreign schools may be a scam, but Saba is legitimate. However, you will probably always carry a bit of a stigma for going to a foreign school, certain residencies will be harder to obtain than if you had gone to a US school and it will be more difficult to get licensed, particularly in states like Texas. Nevertheless, going to school at Saba will enable you to practice medicine in the US.Just keep in mind that certain residencies, like orthopedic surgery are pretty much off limits for foreign grads, and it may be difficult to obtain licensure in some states.
At one time, US med schools did not require a bachelors for admittance. This has changed. Apparently, SAba will admit you without having completed a bachelors. However, everyone I knew at Saba had gone to college, many of them very good colleges like Purdue, University of Virginia, Washington & Lee, SMU, etc. Most people had high GPA's and MCAT scores. As I am sure you know, it is just incredibly competitive to get into a US med school, esp. if you are not right out of college. Often thousands of applicants are applying for approximately 120 spots. So, I do think that most US medical students have higher grades and test scores than most foreign students, but the foreign students grades are still good.
I recommend that you review the residencies SABA students are in ( to get an idea of which specialties are open to IMG's) and the states where they are licensed. As of last year, Saba grads were licensed in approx. 33 ( I think ) states. In the case of California, Saba has not yet been approved. I do not know if anyone is licensed in New Mexico, but I heard NM follows California's policies. In some states, no Saba grads are licensed because no Saba grads have yet applied.
Posted on Sep 18, 2002, 6:41 PM from IP address 206.160.4.11
Although it is true that technically you do not need a bachelors degree to even get into US medschools I must caution you that 99.9% of people admitted into US medical schools have a bachelors degree or higher so dont hang your hat on the fact that it is not mandatory because for all practical purposes to get into a US school it is. As far as foreign schools it is true you do not need a bachelors degree. However the overwhelming majority of students do have degrees and I assure you they will take that into consideration when you are applying to your residency. Of course board scores are probably near the top of the hierarchy but your CV which of course includes your college experience will rank a close second. If you can finish your degree then do it. You will get a residency without it but if you work hard why not get the residency you want. You will be more competitive with your degree complete along with higher board scores. Best Of Luck.
Scott Jones DC MS III
Posted on Sep 23, 2002, 2:20 PM from IP address 207.19.126.2
the majority of students i spoke with were able to pay their education with their savings. I don't have that luxury and want to attend medical school, whill i be able to optain the loan that will cover everything for 4 years?
Posted on Sep 26, 2002, 1:40 PM from IP address 129.219.245.139
Of coure they want to know how you can pay. It's not a charity, it's a medical school. There is nothing wrong with that question. I am rotating in clinicals now and have met dozens of Caribbean (and Mexican and Ireland and Indian-trained.........)docs. Do more primary research and speak to real live people and you will find the truth. I know there is a certain leap of faith that you must take but you sound as if you have not done enough real homework yet to know with some certainty what you are doing. You will hear many more rumors before you are through, my friend. You must learn to separate fact from fiction. Good luck.
Posted on Oct 6, 2002, 12:47 PM from IP address 64.12.96.78
Does any Canadians or Saba students know of a long distance phone call company that offers relatively cheap prices to call students in Saba? Thanks for your information.
Posted on Sep 30, 2002, 9:01 PM from IP address 64.229.194.249
I am now finished on Saba, but while I was there my parents used Sears (Canada)long distance. It sounds really weird, but they charge the Netherlands rate for the Netherlands Antilles. Check on it. I am pretty sure it would not have changed.
Posted on Oct 9, 2002, 4:47 PM from IP address 149.168.71.2
Where did your parents find the Sears deal? I looked up on the Sears.ca website and couldn't find the long distance call service. Any idea on where can I get more information?
Posted on Oct 10, 2002, 2:34 PM from IP address 64.229.192.193
Here is what I did the first week here at Union and trust me this is not an exaggeration. This rotation is very grueling and I am not going to sugar coat it.
Monday: Orientation , Rounds (am and pm) and all the usual garbage 7:30am to 7:45pm (with about 45 minutes for lunch), Patient assignments. (By the way this was the easiest day and this one was 12 hours long.
Tues: Arrived at Union at 4:45am to round my six assigned patients. I finished at 6:00 am which at this time I rounded with by surgical team from 6:00am to 7:15am. At 7:30 I scrubbed in for my first surgery which was an abdominal aneurysm which went for 4 hours, yes and that is average for this procdedure.(you stand in one place hold retractors and suction and you are hurting trust me!! After going to critical care follwing surgery it was 12 noon at which time I was notified to scrub in for surgery #2 which went from 12:30pm to 4:30pm. I then had 30 minutes to get the afternoon labs for my patients so I could make the team rounds at 5pm which lasted an hour and a half. It is now 6:30 pm. Oh by the way I forgot to tell you that I am on call tonite and spent the next 6 hours in the ER on admissions. At 1am I finished and went to bed. Unfortunately I slept to only have to get up 3 1/2 hours later at 4:30am so I could be at the hospital at 4:45 on wednesday.
WED: Wed was a carbon copy of tuesday except I was not on call. I did two four hour procedures and rounded as usual and finished at 8pm. Yes!!! even though I was post call I was still here till 8PM !!!!
When i got home I collapsed and was awoken by what felt like minutes to an alarm clock telling me it was 4:30am and time to get up
Thu: 4:45am to 7:30pm which included Lectures, surgery clinic, 2 procedures (6 hours total), rounds (multiple, and room to room), Entering all the labs of the patients on the team, which has to be done every day and takes at least an hour or so. which i forgot to mention before.
Fri. I am on call again and it is friday nite at 9pm as we speak. I started at 4:45am this morning. I also was in on two procedures today for a total of 7 hours. I am praying we dont get too many ER admits so I get a few hours of sleep tonite. Sat. morning is a treat though as I will not have to round my patients in the morning until 6am. (yipee for small favors) some treat huh ,good god. (Yup the big sat. morning treat :).
Now the important thing is the rotation is absolutely tremendous, and the surgeons and residents truly do teach and wouldnt ask you to do anything they themselves arent already doing. I have a total new respect for surgeons as I know in my heart I dont have the pace that these guys have. It truly is unreal. I will have Sunday off and I will for sure LOG just over 100 hours this week which includes call. I have no reason to beleive that this will change for the next 11 weeks. Just make sure when you do your surgery rotation you get a comfortable pair of shoes. You may have noticed that thru the m ajority of the week I didnt mention sitting down or having lunch. There is a reason for that. I didnt. You eat while walking past a vending machine. If you are lucky there is a lecture or a drug rep with food so you can sit for 45 minutes and shovel a few bagels down your throat. (this happened once this week) I am willing to bet this is probably the best surgical rotation saba has. I have to be honest, I am here because it is the closest to my home in New Jersey. My only other choice would be much too far. If I wanted to be a surgeon I would be here. Unfortuately this is as close as I care to get to surgery. Understand one thing, Its a great rotation but if you are not willing to walk at the pace of a slow jog and move constantly, do NOT do this rotation. Its tuff and call is Q3 to boot. Good Luck to All. Scott Jones
Posted on Oct 4, 2002, 6:15 PM from IP address 207.19.126.2
Thanks for that great post! Just reading it put me out of breath...
I'm a third semester student on Saba, and am curious as to where you have been staying during your rotations. From previous posts, I understand that your family is nearby, but not near enough for the commute. Are there dorms in the hospitals or other arrangements made available to med students?
Good luck during the next 11 weeks!
Josh
Posted on Oct 5, 2002, 12:48 PM from IP address 216.152.164.81
You will find housing, each hospital has lists and getting a room is not a problem. I have a place right next to Union and I suggest that during your surgery rotation that you live as close to the hosptial as possible, walking distance preferably. I was here at 415 am this morning. I had to come in early and print up the OR procedure list for the team which took 30 minutes. That was just in time to round my patients so I could start team rounds at 6am. An extra 20 minute drive to the hospital in the am would really stink. Scott
Posted on Oct 8, 2002, 6:47 AM from IP address 207.19.126.2
Surgey is tough everywhere, my experiece was similar although I was Q4 or Q5. I had a AAA that went for 14 hours because we had to do an axillary-femoral bypass!!! After a few weeks I built up my endurance and know that I could handle a surgery residency if I wanted to (but don't). Good luck over the next 11 weeks. Don't forget drink water throughout the day.You WILL dyhydrate.
Posted on Oct 6, 2002, 12:40 PM from IP address 64.12.96.78
Yup it is a friggin drag, If their were any doubts about me wanting to be a surgeon they have been thoroughly extinguished. (Its a young mans game)!! :)
Posted on Oct 8, 2002, 6:49 AM from IP address 207.19.126.2
Are you going to do all 12 weeks in Gen Surg or do get get to do other specialites like urology, cardiothoracic, neurosurgery? I am currently doing ob/gyn and I really like the surgery part of gyn.
Posted on Oct 6, 2002, 3:19 PM from IP address 12.77.179.58
This 12 weeks will be just fine for me and the surgery thing. Dont get me wrong its the experience of a lifetime and I truly appreciate it as I will probably have seen every common major procedure that there is and will be able to fully explain it to my medical patients. Rest assure however I will steer clear of surgery electives, its NOT me, Im not a 4am and No life kinda of guy for 7 years after medschool. Id be almost fifty by then and probably DEAD!!! For those of you who think that each resident year in surgery gets shorter let me assure you, each year and the hours you put in gets longer!!!. I had that same misconception. The Cheif resident works like a dog and trust me puts in more hours both administratively and time in the OR. These residents are working well over a 100 hours a week and that is the minium. I know about these new federal regulations and all that baloney but trust me you will NOT see the sun, hear the birds, or see your family to any degree. If you love surgery and you want to make it a part of your life understand that It will be your life. Your family will be in second place, Remember there are only 168 hours in a week and you will work well over a 100 of them and you have to sleep sometime so how much could you possibly spend with your family, its just the way it is. Scott
Posted on Oct 8, 2002, 6:59 AM from IP address 207.19.126.2
Hey Scott, What do you mean 50 and dead? That will be my next B-day! Thanks my friend. Also, thanks for your cont. shares, You wouldn't be where you are now if it wasn't for your dreams and love for medicine. Hang in there, this too will soon pass. Charley
Posted on Oct 9, 2002, 12:55 PM from IP address 152.163.188.8
Hi. I'm finishing a PhD at the University of Western Ontario in Anatomy/Cell Biology, and I am seriously considering applying to SABA, primarily for the scholarship program for MD's.
I have just a few questions, if anyone is well disposed to answering them I'd appreciate it:
1. Are there any other schools (Caribbean or otherwise) which offer this sort of teaching/ MD scholarship program? I haven't seen any.
2. How are the PhD/MD instructors regarded amongst fellow students, in terms of calibre of teaching?
3. Do these people have an advantage at getting a choice residency position in the states, because of the additional teaching experience?
4. Do you think having a research background and a PhD would help *significantly* to offset the disadvantage of being a "foreign" IMG (i.e. not American citizen) in obtaining a choice residency spot?
I'm keenly interested in surgery, particularly cardiothoracic and/or transplant surgery, so if you're looking to define what I mean by "choice", that's it.
Thanks to any and all that can offer some help!
Sincerely,
Kevin
Posted on Oct 6, 2002, 2:42 PM from IP address 65.93.55.42
The program is still available at MUA-Nevis, but was discontinued on Saba about a year ago.
I do know that they are looking for someone in Anatomy/Cell Biology at MUA, so your chances are very good.
Good Luck
Posted on Oct 8, 2002, 5:42 PM from IP address 141.154.12.123
Well if in fact they did stop the program that is actually a good thing as I know when I was on Saba and speaking with some people in the know, that this was POSSIBLY a sticking point with California approval. Perhaps the Administration has stopped the program too further improve Saba's chances of CA approval. I think the MD/PhD program was a good thing though and we had some great profs. If anyone on Saba has heard anything regarding CA and the proposed date of the site visit I would be very interested to know. Please post what they have heard on the Forum. Good Luck to All. Scott
Posted on Oct 9, 2002, 7:21 AM from IP address 207.19.126.2
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