> Wouldn't you say that Sean Young was "beaten" in
> "Love Crimes" or Maureen O'Hara "beaten" in > "McLintock"? Don't confuse spanking with patting.
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I believe there is a big difference between those two spankings. In LOVE CRIMES, Patrick Bergin's character is a man posing as a fashion photographer, who exploits and rips off unsuspecting women. He is a deeply disturbed psycopath, capable of killing.
When Sean Young attacks him, she is terrified of her life, and does this to defend herself. He overpowers her and gives her a hard spanking. In his mind he was shocked that she would even consider doing what she did, because he was affected by her, and suspected that she would have feelings for him as well.
It appeared, for me anyway, that he spanked her in an punishable manner, to show that in "their relationship" - he would be the dominant figure. He was beating her, sure, but not to be cruel, notice that he comforted her afterwards, when she cried. Because he was affected by her. He didn't spank her for other reasons than that.....I believe. It's only my opinion, and could of course be wrong.
On the other hand, the famous "McLintock!" spanking, had nothing to do with "beating." This was John Wayne territory. His kind of movie, his kind of humour, his kind of director - Andrew V. McLaglen... His kind of screenwriter - John Edward Grant - who scripted "Donovan's Reef" and "McLintock!" the same year...
Director Andrew V. McLaglen was the son of Victor McLaglen, John Wayne's life-long friend. Together, director McLaglen, who grew up with John Wayne as a lifelong family friend, and John Wayne made this scene in this manner, as their own kind of old-fashioned humour.
The director's dad was himself the same kind of character as John Wayne. He would film bar room brawls in the same manner as Wayne, and once put 27 year old John Agar across his knees for a fun spanking scene in "Fort Apache" (1948). In the typical "John Wayne" manner of style...
I'm not so sure this scene would be acted in this manner under the direction of John Ford or Howard Hawks. I don't think John Wayne would've been able to influence these two directors in the same manner.
The spanking in "McLintock!" was played for laughs, by people who together appearantly enjoyed this kind of humour. It was consequently, not a "beating."
I believe beating is something you do in anger, and most of the movie spankings I've seen has been played for laughs. I said : "most" - not all.
Actually, having had F/M & M/M categories on this website for years, I've seen hundreds of movie spankings with children on the receiving end. For instance, English school children type of situations. And several of those 'spankings' - or canings - could easily be classified as beatings. They were often shockingly brutal - and certainly more so than the M/F & F/F scene we all love so much.
There was certainly more to it - than the danger of it looking ridiculous with grown men on the receiving end - that made me decide to end all my F/M & M/M categories.
I hate seeing children suffer, and many of the titles I wrongly had on my website for years, should never have been there. I can't run away from my wrongs !
Arild.
This message has been edited by arildk on Aug 29, 2001 8:03 PM This message has been edited by arildk on Jul 25, 2001 8:14 PM