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  1. Iglesia ni Cristo in a nutshell - Doctrines exposed sticky (150 replies) View Thread - Cultic Research on Aug 18, 2005, 9:54 PM
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  3. Holy supper explained - The unforgiven View Thread - HiJo on Mar 27, 2017, 1:55 AM
    1. The Lord's supper does not forgive sins. When we sin, we need to repent of the sin. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2017, 2:47 AM
      1. The real bible - God is not great - Hijo on Mar 27, 2017, 5:24 AM
        1. God is great, he is wonderful. No one is as great as God. The Bible proves it. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2017, 5:28 AM
          1. Take what you like and leave the rest - HiJo on Mar 27, 2017, 8:37 AM
            1. Tomas agrees with LOSING ones salvation! I pity the fools who think God makes an ERROR! - Eric on Mar 27, 2017, 1:08 PM
     
  4. He who says that no one knows the true nature of Christ is NOT a Christian. View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 20, 2017, 5:17 PM
    1. So you are not a christian - Hijo on Feb 21, 2017, 12:17 AM
      1. The whole basis of Christianity is that Jesus was/is God - HiJo on Feb 21, 2017, 2:42 AM
        1. Says who? Not the Bible. The Bible does not tell us whether Jesus is God or not. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 3:09 PM
    2. INCquisitor, while Jesus said the Father is the only true God, he did not say he is - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 3:01 PM
      1. Re: INCquisitor, while Jesus said the Father is the only true God, he did not say he is - almario on Feb 22, 2017, 5:05 PM
        1. No, I do not agree with INC on this. They state dogmatically that Jesus is not God, - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 11:51 PM
          1. Re: No, I do not agree with INC on this. They state dogmatically that Jesus is not God, - almario on Feb 23, 2017, 1:52 PM
            1. I feel sure God's infallible words did not reveal whether Jesus is God or not. - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 5:58 AM
              1. Re: I feel sure God's infallible words did not reveal whether Jesus is God or not. - almario on Feb 27, 2017, 1:50 AM
                1. When the Bible has not revealed whether Jesus is God or not, then I have - Tomas on Feb 27, 2017, 2:38 AM
                  1. Re: When the Bible has not revealed whether Jesus is God or not, then I have - almario on Feb 27, 2017, 2:23 PM
                    1. Jesus did say in John 10:30 "I and my Father are one", but note the plural verb. - Tomas on Mar 1, 2017, 8:34 AM
                      1. Re: Jesus did say in John 10:30 "I and my Father are one", but note the plural verb. - almario on Mar 1, 2017, 11:23 PM
                        1. Of course, concerning 2 Cor. 5:19, God was indeed in Christ, no saved Christian - Tomas on Mar 2, 2017, 2:31 AM
                          1. Re: Of course, concerning 2 Cor. 5:19, God was indeed in Christ, no saved Christian - almario on Mar 3, 2017, 12:46 AM
                            1. You accusing me of blasphemy, because I disagree with you? - Tomas on Mar 3, 2017, 6:17 AM
                              1. Re: You accusing me of blasphemy, because I disagree with you? - almario on Mar 3, 2017, 6:16 PM
                                1. I have no problem with John 8:24, it is an important verse. - Tomas on Mar 4, 2017, 3:39 AM
                                2. Re: I have no problem with John 8:24, it is an important verse. - almario on Mar 4, 2017, 4:55 PM
                                3. I agree that the verse is so vitally important, that it makes it clear that if one - Tomas on Mar 4, 2017, 7:56 PM
                                4. Re: I agree that the verse is so vitally important, that it makes it clear that if one - almario on Mar 5, 2017, 3:27 AM
                                5. Isaiah 43:10 is no problem for my doctrine, in the Old Testament times, - Tomas on Mar 5, 2017, 3:37 AM
                                6. Re: Isaiah 43:10 is no problem for my doctrine, in the Old Testament times, - almario on Mar 5, 2017, 10:28 PM
                                7. In Is. 9:6, the Son got a long name, just like some other Israelites got names - Tomas on Mar 6, 2017, 12:24 AM
                                8. Re: In Is. 9:6, the Son got a long name, just like some other Israelites got names - almario on Mar 6, 2017, 4:04 AM
                                9. My intellectual dishonesty? Wow, you sure ascribe dark motives to me. - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 8:42 AM
                                10. Re: My intellectual dishonesty? Wow, you sure ascribe dark motives to me. - almario on Mar 8, 2017, 3:01 PM
                                11. I never doubt the division Jesus came to bring between us and nonbelievers, but - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 3:12 PM
                                12. Re: I never doubt the division Jesus came to bring between us and nonbelievers, but - almario on Mar 8, 2017, 6:31 PM
                                13. You are bringing division between your group and other Christians, for example - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 7:31 PM
                                14. Re: You are bringing division between your group and other Christians, for example - almario on Mar 9, 2017, 3:15 AM
                                15. So don't go by your philosophy, after the tradition of men, like tradition that - Tomas on Mar 9, 2017, 3:39 AM
                                16. Re: So don't go by your philosophy, after the tradition of men, like tradition that - almario on Mar 9, 2017, 11:49 AM
                                17. I abide in the doctrine of Christ. You go by traditions of men. - Tomas on Mar 10, 2017, 5:21 AM
                                18. one of *Tomas's* doctrines ... - almario on Mar 9, 2017, 3:18 PM
                                19. That's based on the Bible. If you disagree, bring up a verse, so we can discuss it. - Tomas on Mar 10, 2017, 5:23 AM
                                20. Re: That's based on the Bible. If you disagree, bring up a verse, so we can discuss it. - almario on Mar 10, 2017, 4:52 PM
                                21. OK, you were unable to quote a verse to show why you disagree with me. - Tomas on Mar 11, 2017, 10:28 AM
                                22. Re: OK, you were unable to quote a verse to show why you disagree with me. - almario on Mar 11, 2017, 4:09 PM
                                23. So we can say that God who was manifest in the flesh, as he dwelt in Jesus, - Tomas on Mar 11, 2017, 9:44 PM
                                24. Re: So we can say that God who was manifest in the flesh, as he dwelt in Jesus, - almario on Mar 11, 2017, 10:17 PM
                                25. 1 John 4:1-3 is of course very important for salvation. - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 1:35 AM
                                26. Re: 1 John 4:1-3 is of course very important for salvation. - almario on Mar 12, 2017, 4:19 AM
                                27. I was just pointing out who are the heretics to whom the warning, that we have - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 8:18 AM
                                28. Re: I was just pointing out who are the heretics to whom the warning, that we have - almario on Mar 12, 2017, 1:57 PM
                                29. Yes, so I am obedient to the doctrine of God and his Son. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2017, 2:54 AM
                                30. Re: Yes, so I am obedient to the doctrine of God and his Son. - almario on Mar 15, 2017, 10:29 PM
                                31. Well, your doctrine is based on the traditions of men. Mine is based on the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 16, 2017, 5:06 AM
                                32. Re: Well, your doctrine is based on the traditions of men. Mine is based on the Bible. - almario on Mar 16, 2017, 11:07 PM
                                33. I avoid traditions of men. You don't. - Tomas on Mar 17, 2017, 6:29 AM
                                34. Re: I avoid traditions of men. You don't. - almario on Mar 19, 2017, 10:47 PM
                                35. So you should follow God's doctrine, and not your doctrine with the commandments of men. - Tomas on Mar 20, 2017, 3:40 AM
                                36. Re: So you should follow God's doctrine, and not your doctrine with the commandments of men. - almario on Mar 22, 2017, 5:45 AM
                                37. God's words are infallible. We cannot be infallible. - Tomas on Mar 22, 2017, 1:02 PM
                                38. Re: God's words are infallible. We cannot be infallible. - almario on Mar 22, 2017, 4:13 PM
                                39. I agree, we should study the Bible. Until we die, if possible. - Tomas on Mar 22, 2017, 4:20 PM
                                40. Re: I agree, we should study the Bible. Until we die, if possible. - almario on Mar 22, 2017, 6:41 PM
                                41. OK, I agree, we should continue seeking out of the Bible, searching the scriptures. - Tomas on Mar 22, 2017, 8:12 PM
                                42. Re: OK, I agree, we should continue seeking out of the Bible, searching the scriptures. - almario on Mar 23, 2017, 2:19 AM
                                43. So be like a little child. - Tomas on Mar 24, 2017, 6:00 AM
                                44. Re: So be like a little child. - almario on Mar 25, 2017, 9:36 PM
                                45. Yes, so be like a Christian 'babe' and not like the adult Pharisees, who thought - Tomas on Mar 26, 2017, 5:56 AM
      2. Tom, at least you're now conceding that Lord Jesus COULD be God ! - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 12:44 AM
        1. That has been my position soon after I recognized INC is not the only true church, - Tomas on Feb 23, 2017, 1:31 AM
          1. Yes INC is one of the many (Only true churches) - HiJo on Feb 23, 2017, 1:45 AM
            1. As I said, for a few years already I have recognized no church can be the only true church - Tomas on Feb 23, 2017, 2:38 AM
          2. Mid 2014 was when I started reading and posting, on and off. Thus... - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 2:23 AM
            1. OK, great to see you here more frequently. You provide different views on some - Tomas on Feb 23, 2017, 3:27 AM
              1. Prohibitions on What to eat, with Whom to eat or associate... - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 2:17 PM
                1. No need to cite Leviticus when avoiding eating blood. We can cite Acts 15, - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 6:05 AM
                  1. Acts 15 does NOT contradict the words of Chrit in Matt. 15:11 and Mark 7:15. - INCquisitor on Feb 25, 2017, 10:49 PM
                    1. Acts 15 is not some weak appeasement, like Prime Minister Chamberlain tried - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 7:56 AM
                  2. So, the prohibitions against eating blood products don't need to be obeyed nowadays? - nref on Feb 27, 2017, 2:15 AM
                    1. They need to be obeyed, but not because of Leviticus, but because of Acts 15. - Tomas on Feb 27, 2017, 2:28 AM
                      1. So, any sect that still prohibits eating blood in its dogma is in Biblical error? - nref on Feb 27, 2017, 7:42 PM
                        1. It is the opposite, any denomination that allows eating blood is in biblical error. - Tomas on Mar 1, 2017, 8:37 AM
                          1. Tomas, are you then stating that the INC is in biblical error since it allows pork and - nref on Mar 1, 2017, 9:29 PM
                            1. No, pork, shrimp, camels, rabbits, eagles, sharks, etc. are all now allowed to everybody, - Tomas on Mar 2, 2017, 2:55 AM
                              1. Thank you, Tomas. Clears some things up.. - nref on Mar 3, 2017, 1:58 AM
                    2. Jesus said it in Matt. 15:11 and Mark 7:15. - INCquisitor on Mar 4, 2017, 3:17 PM
                      1. I believe all Jesus said. And Jesus also sent the Holy Spirit, and under the inspiration - Tomas on Mar 4, 2017, 8:00 PM
                        1. It was God who commanded Jesus to speak and say Matt. 15:11 and Mark 7:15. - INCquisitor on Mar 5, 2017, 10:32 PM
                          1. Yes, so now they could eat with dirty hands. - Tomas on Mar 6, 2017, 12:43 AM
                            1. Re: Yes, so now they could eat with dirty hands. - INCquiditor on Mar 7, 2017, 2:33 AM
                              1. Don't you see the word 'necessities'? So they are not optional. - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 8:55 AM
                                1. Your very poor comprehension makes it impossible to talk rationally with you. - INCquisitor on Mar 12, 2017, 5:41 PM
                                2. You have poor comprehension. But I will talk rationally. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2017, 3:32 AM
            2. In mid-2014, a blog on the Arena that I was reading, led me to this site and this... - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 8:41 PM
      3. Re: INCquisitor, while Jesus said the Father is the only true God, he did not say he is - INCquisitor on Feb 25, 2017, 10:37 PM
        1. Of course all saved Christians believe very much in what Jesus said. - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 8:03 AM
          1. You don't know what saves Tomas. - INCquisitor on Feb 27, 2017, 12:35 AM
            1. I know what saves. God saves us when we believe and repent. - Tomas on Feb 27, 2017, 1:24 AM
              1. My point? You have to believe Jesus in order to be saved. - INCquisitor on Mar 12, 2017, 10:34 PM
                1. The holy name of our Christ, which is Iesous in Greek, Jesus in English, or - Tomas on Mar 13, 2017, 3:53 AM
                  1. Is there anyone who does not beieve that Jesus is the name of the son of God? - INCquisitor on Mar 19, 2017, 9:08 PM
                    1. Orthodox Jews believe that when the Jewish Bible refers to Son of God, it refers - Tomas on Mar 20, 2017, 3:47 AM
                      1. Tell me how to "enter" Jesus Tomas. - INCquisitor on Mar 26, 2017, 10:07 PM
                        1. By believing in the gospel and repenting of our sins, we enter Jesus. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2017, 3:11 AM
     
  5. Old and New Testament View Thread - almario on Feb 27, 2017, 3:50 PM
    1. Re: Old and New Testament - almario on Feb 28, 2017, 9:56 PM
      1. Re: Old and New Testament - almario on Mar 1, 2017, 6:59 PM
        1. Re: Old and New Testament - almario on Mar 2, 2017, 7:59 PM
          1. Re: Old and New Testament - almario on Mar 3, 2017, 5:39 PM
            1. Re: Old and New Testament - almario on Mar 5, 2017, 2:16 PM
              1. Re: Old and New Testament - almario on Mar 7, 2017, 4:10 PM
                1. It will be fully fulfilled in the millennium, that Yahweh will put his law in our inward - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 8:37 AM
                  1. Re: It will be fully fulfilled in the millennium, that Yahweh will put his law in our inward - almario on Mar 13, 2017, 6:43 PM
                    1. So why do you teach if you think we are not to teach each other? - Tomas on Mar 15, 2017, 2:59 PM
                      1. Re: So why do you teach if you think we are not to teach each other? - almario on Mar 15, 2017, 3:11 PM
                        1. How is it irrelevant? My question is based on Jer. 31:34 and Heb. 8:11, - Tomas on Mar 15, 2017, 3:16 PM
                          1. Re: How is it irrelevant? My question is based on Jer. 31:34 and Heb. 8:11, - almario on Mar 15, 2017, 5:40 PM
                            1. You can't even answer, you just go back to your claim that I don't believe - Tomas on Mar 16, 2017, 5:17 AM
                              1. Re: You can't even answer, you just go back to your claim that I don't believe - almario on Mar 16, 2017, 4:22 PM
                                1. OK, since you refuse to answer and you ask me questions, I will answer. - Tomas on Mar 17, 2017, 7:00 AM
                                2. Re: OK, since you refuse to answer and you ask me questions, I will answer. - almario on Mar 17, 2017, 4:57 PM
                                3. God did give his name in the Old Testament. It was Yahweh, see for example - Tomas on Mar 18, 2017, 7:46 PM
                                4. Re: God did give his name in the Old Testament. It was Yahweh, see for example - almario on Mar 18, 2017, 11:44 PM
                                5. To Peter? The same, Yah. - Tomas on Mar 19, 2017, 8:16 AM
                                6. Re: To Peter? The same, Yah. - almario on Mar 19, 2017, 4:29 PM
                                7. No, God's name is not God. God is a title of his. His name is Yah. - Tomas on Mar 20, 2017, 3:49 AM
                                8. Re: No, God's name is not God. God is a title of his. His name is Yah. - almario on Mar 21, 2017, 5:22 AM
                                9. God's revealed name to Peter is Yah. Jesus revealed it, John 17:26. - Tomas on Mar 22, 2017, 1:05 PM
                                10. Re: God's revealed name to Peter is Yah. Jesus revealed it, John 17:26. - almario on Mar 22, 2017, 7:12 PM
                                11. God's revealed name to Peter is Yah. You don't agree? Then state your opinion, - Tomas on Mar 22, 2017, 8:06 PM
                                12. Re: God's revealed name to Peter is Yah. You don't agree? Then state your opinion, - almario on Mar 23, 2017, 1:15 AM
                                13. So why won't you say what you think is God's revealed name to Peter? - Tomas on Mar 24, 2017, 6:02 AM
                                14. Re: So why won't you say what you think is God's revealed name to Peter? - almario on Mar 24, 2017, 5:22 PM
                                15. OK, then you have written nothing to contradict the biblical doctrine that God's revealed - Tomas on Mar 25, 2017, 9:56 AM
                                16. Re: OK, then you have written nothing to contradict the biblical doctrine that God's revealed - almario on Mar 25, 2017, 7:36 PM
                                17. Isaiah 52:6 just prophesies that God's people shall know his name. It does not - Tomas on Mar 26, 2017, 6:22 AM
                                18. Re: Isaiah 52:6 just prophesies that God's people shall know his name. It does not - almario on Mar 26, 2017, 2:21 PM
                                19. The Bible reveals that God's name is Yah. You say God's name was revealed to Peter. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2017, 2:50 AM
                2. Re: Old and New Testament - almario on Mar 19, 2017, 5:58 PM
                  1. Re: Old and New Testament - almario on Mar 24, 2017, 6:51 PM
                    1. Re: Old and New Testament - almario on Mar 26, 2017, 10:11 PM
                      1. The Bible does not reveal whether Jesus, the Son of God, is God. Nor does the Bible - Tomas on Mar 27, 2017, 2:57 AM
    2. What makes you think that Genesis was not written until the time of Moses? - Tomas on Mar 1, 2017, 8:04 AM
      1. Re: What makes you think that Genesis was not written until the time of Moses? - almario on Mar 1, 2017, 3:28 PM
        1. That's right, you have no verse to prove that Genesis was not written earlier. - Tomas on Mar 1, 2017, 5:09 PM
          1. Re: That's right, you have no verse to prove that Genesis was not written earlier. - almario on Mar 1, 2017, 6:41 PM
            1. Of course Ex. 17:14 says "Write this", and Ex. 34:27 says "Write thou these words&quo - Tomas on Mar 2, 2017, 3:50 AM
              1. Re: Of course Ex. 17:14 says "Write this", and Ex. 34:27 says "Write thou these words - almario on Mar 2, 2017, 7:34 PM
                1. I am just saying there is no proof Moses wrote Genesis. - Tomas on Mar 3, 2017, 6:28 AM
                  1. Re: I am just saying there is no proof Moses wrote Genesis. - almario on Mar 3, 2017, 5:24 PM
                    1. OK, so you now agree Genesis could have been written earlier? - Tomas on Mar 4, 2017, 3:40 AM
                      1. Re: OK, so you now agree Genesis could have been written earlier? - almario on Mar 5, 2017, 1:32 AM
                        1. That is really stretching it. After all, you ought to know that Moses wrote of - Tomas on Mar 5, 2017, 3:42 AM
                          1. Re: That is really stretching it. After all, you ought to know that Moses wrote of - almario on Mar 5, 2017, 1:07 PM
                            1. I did not say that Jesus is merely a future prophet. He is more than just a prophet. - Tomas on Mar 6, 2017, 1:37 AM
                              1. Re: I did not say that Jesus is merely a future prophet. He is more than just a prophet. - almario on Mar 6, 2017, 2:48 AM
                                1. Moses did prophesy the coming of Christ in Deuteronomy. He is the prophet and more - Tomas on Mar 6, 2017, 3:27 AM
                                2. Re: Moses did prophesy the coming of Christ in Deuteronomy. He is the prophet and more - almario on Mar 6, 2017, 3:55 AM
                                3. Why quote John 12:48? I have accepted Jesus and received his words. - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 8:40 AM
                                4. Re: Why quote John 12:48? I have accepted Jesus and received his words. - almario on Mar 12, 2017, 8:25 PM
                                5. My doctrine is based only on the doctrine of God and his Son. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2017, 3:57 AM
                                6. Re: My doctrine is based only on the doctrine of God and his Son. - almario on Mar 13, 2017, 4:47 PM
                                7. My doctrine is biblical, your doctrine is too often based on tradition of men. - Tomas on Mar 15, 2017, 3:13 PM
                                8. Re: My doctrine is biblical, your doctrine is too often based on tradition of men. - almario on Mar 15, 2017, 5:34 PM
                                9. Just now you admitted another tradition of men, that it is a sin to not believe - Tomas on Mar 16, 2017, 5:14 AM
                                10. Re: Just now you admitted another tradition of men, that it is a sin to not believe - almario on Mar 16, 2017, 6:30 PM
                                11. John 8:24 is obviously not about the issue of whether Jesus is God or not. - Tomas on Mar 17, 2017, 7:02 AM
                                12. Re: John 8:24 is obviously not about the issue of whether Jesus is God or not. - almario on Mar 17, 2017, 5:09 PM
                                13. God's divine guidance precept by precept is now from the Bible alone. - Tomas on Mar 18, 2017, 7:49 PM
                                14. Re: God's divine guidance precept by precept is now from the Bible alone. - almario on Mar 18, 2017, 11:54 PM
                                15. Who is the "I am he"? Anybody who says "I am he". It is not a name. - Tomas on Mar 19, 2017, 8:19 AM
                                16. Re: Who is the "I am he"? Anybody who says "I am he". It is not a name. - almario on Mar 19, 2017, 5:12 PM
                                17. Good verses.But none of them disprove what I wrote. - Tomas on Mar 20, 2017, 3:52 AM
                                18. Re: Good verses.But none of them disprove what I wrote. - almario on Mar 22, 2017, 7:16 PM
                                19. Nobody is the "I am He". That is not a name. It is a sentence. - Tomas on Mar 22, 2017, 8:07 PM
                                20. Re: Nobody is the "I am He". That is not a name. It is a sentence. - almario on Mar 23, 2017, 12:19 AM
                                21. God's infallible words are grouped in sentences. So? - Tomas on Mar 24, 2017, 6:04 AM
                                22. Re: God's infallible words are grouped in sentences. So? - almario on Mar 24, 2017, 9:13 PM
                                23. I did not nullify God's revealed truth. Jesus, like others, said I am he. - Tomas on Mar 25, 2017, 10:07 AM
                                24. Re: I did not nullify God's revealed truth. Jesus, like others, said I am he. - almario on Mar 25, 2017, 8:51 PM
                                25. Yes, I agree, it is the spirit that quickens, the flesh profits nothing. - Tomas on Mar 26, 2017, 6:48 AM
                                26. Re: Yes, I agree, it is the spirit that quickens, the flesh profits nothing. - almario on Mar 26, 2017, 4:19 PM
                                27. God with his Son are the one and only Savior. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2017, 2:58 AM
     
  6. EVM=Jesus????? View Thread - hoopdedoo on Mar 24, 2017, 7:11 PM
    1. Do you mean they now teach that James became the head of the church? - Tomas on Mar 26, 2017, 6:56 AM
     
  7. The anarthrous predicate nount in John 1:1c, "and the word was God" View Thread - Wayne on Mar 23, 2017, 3:11 AM
    1. INC - The masters of seeing things that aren't there - Hijo on Mar 24, 2017, 1:43 AM
    2. Theos in John 1:1 is not an adjective, since the word for 'divine' is theios. - Tomas on Mar 24, 2017, 5:49 AM
    3. As the old saying goes... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 24, 2017, 9:45 PM
      1. It is beneficial to Christians to study at least some ancient Greek. - Tomas on Mar 25, 2017, 9:53 AM
     
  8. To any considering leaving View Thread - Capt. Seabird on Mar 5, 2017, 1:07 AM
    1. This is what I long for... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 5, 2017, 2:45 AM
      1. Actually, I am really prepared to leave the INC, if not for my fiancee. - iamonewithGod on Mar 6, 2017, 12:43 AM
        1. Surely most of the money does not go into EVM's personal wealth. Some pays - Tomas on Mar 6, 2017, 12:51 AM
          1. Yes $USD 300M Jumbo Jet that no one knew about was purchased - Hijo on Mar 6, 2017, 1:05 AM
            1. That jumbo jet cost is still a small part of the offerings. Most goes to electricity for - Tomas on Mar 6, 2017, 1:09 AM
              1. No truth in INC lies - Hijo on Mar 6, 2017, 11:54 PM
                1. So the leadership wants money, but the average INC minister wants your salvation. - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 9:03 AM
                  1. INC ministers - hoopdedoo on Mar 16, 2017, 4:37 PM
    2. Just because the leadership of INC is criminal, that does not mean the holiness - Tomas on Mar 5, 2017, 3:30 AM
      1. When was the last time you went to an INC service? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 5, 2017, 4:28 AM
        1. About ten years ago. Erano Manalo was still the executive minister. - Tomas on Mar 5, 2017, 4:38 AM
          1. Clearly, you have no idea what's happening now inside the INC - iamonewithGod on Mar 5, 2017, 9:06 PM
            1. So, will the members forget the doctrines they were taught during the lessons? - Tomas on Mar 6, 2017, 12:46 AM
              1. With the way happening right now inside INC? - iamonewithGod on Mar 6, 2017, 1:30 AM
          2. Tomas, I didn't wanna be harsh in a previous thread. So allow me to explain - Capt. Seabird on Mar 5, 2017, 10:17 PM
            1. So even though additional lessons were added, as long as they still teach the gospel - Tomas on Mar 6, 2017, 12:57 AM
              1. Tomas - Seabird in facepalm mode on Mar 6, 2017, 7:16 PM
                1. So the locales have monetary problems. That does not mean that no money - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 9:07 AM
      2. The INC is what EVM and the INC Administration is. - INCquisitor on Mar 5, 2017, 9:00 PM
        1. As long as the INC still teaches the gospel, there are saved members in it. - Tomas on Mar 6, 2017, 1:07 AM
          1. Re: As long as the INC still teaches the gospel, there are saved members in it. - INCquisitor on Mar 18, 2017, 2:54 AM
            1. Both the gospel and obedience to God are necessary for salvation. - Tomas on Mar 18, 2017, 7:15 PM
              1. Saved people are fund ONLY in the church that Christ BUILT in the first century. - INCquisitor on Mar 19, 2017, 2:47 PM
                1. Yes, and millions of saved Christians are in this church. - Tomas on Mar 20, 2017, 4:27 AM
                  1. The church that Christ built has "ONE God, the Father, and ONE Lord, Jesus Christ." - INCquisitor on Mar 23, 2017, 12:00 AM
                    1. Yes, and millions of saved Christians believe that. - Tomas on Mar 24, 2017, 6:34 AM
    3. The INC Is Crumbling! - Sis Lori on Mar 17, 2017, 5:08 PM
      1. For sure it is. It's only a matter of time. - iamonewithGod on Mar 19, 2017, 1:08 AM
    4. With all the fiascos that are happening and the obvious changes, - Vicious on Mar 20, 2017, 10:26 AM
      1. EASY REMEDY: LEAVE this CULT. It was NEVER the ONE TRUE CHURCH - Eric on Mar 20, 2017, 11:50 AM
      2. How did he threaten you? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 20, 2017, 1:25 PM
        1. Re: How did he threaten you? - Vicious on Mar 20, 2017, 4:29 PM
          1. Beat you? WTF??? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 20, 2017, 10:04 PM
        2. Re: How did he threaten you? - Vicious on Mar 20, 2017, 4:32 PM
          1. I am also a Finance officer, a former PNK/CWS teacher. - iamonewithGod on Mar 20, 2017, 10:02 PM
     
  9. Who is going to the lake of fire View Thread - hijo on Feb 1, 2017, 3:42 PM
    1. People who die unsaved will have the opportunity to get saved after Christ comes - Tomas on Feb 1, 2017, 5:52 PM
      1. Getting weirder - HiJo on Feb 2, 2017, 7:12 AM
        1. Are you becoming an Atheist... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 2, 2017, 12:41 PM
          1. twisting scripture is NOT knowing the bible! - Eric on Feb 2, 2017, 3:26 PM
            1. Tell that to Manalo. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 2, 2017, 5:55 PM
          2. INC total scam is enough to turn you off religion - hijo on Feb 3, 2017, 12:34 PM
            1. Let me know what you think of him... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 4, 2017, 3:32 AM
        2. HiJo, there are benefits to being converted before you die. - Tomas on Feb 3, 2017, 7:10 AM
          1. tomas, youre argument sucks. - mzlplck on Feb 3, 2017, 3:50 PM
            1. The Qur'an does not have proof of miracles in it. The Bible does. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 1:05 PM
              1. Eyewitness testimony in a book... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 4, 2017, 1:53 PM
                1. After the completion of the Bible, we get writings from Catholic authors, - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 2:26 PM
                  1. Tomas, don't use a current calendar or a Rolex - they're so non-biblical. - nref on Feb 7, 2017, 3:57 PM
                    1. I am not using a current calendar for religious observances, except for the biblical - Tomas on Feb 8, 2017, 10:43 AM
              2. if youre standard of proof are miracles, i say its pretty low - mzlplck on Feb 7, 2017, 2:38 PM
                1. The miracle of the resurrection of Christ is just massively proven. - Tomas on Feb 8, 2017, 10:47 AM
          2. Power at last - Those bustards will wish they were never born - Hijo on Feb 4, 2017, 2:34 PM
            1. There is no such thing as eternal suffering in the lake of fire. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 2:55 PM
              1. You don't know - Hijo on Feb 4, 2017, 3:26 PM
                1. I go by the whole Bible. And the Bible does not contradict itself. No eternal suffering - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 9:01 AM
                  1. The Bible does not contradict itself???????? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 5, 2017, 11:57 AM
                    1. There are solutions to all these seeming contradictions. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2017, 5:52 AM
                      1. Just ask a minister - Hijo on Feb 7, 2017, 8:57 AM
                        1. Hijo, one book you can buy is Alleged Discrepancies in the Bible, by John Haley. - Tomas on Feb 8, 2017, 11:00 AM
                          1. Re: " NONE OF US IS INFALLIBLE", per Tomas - nref on Feb 8, 2017, 1:59 PM
                            1. I am stating what I see in the Bible. The Bible says not to go beyond what is written - Tomas on Feb 10, 2017, 6:50 AM
                              1. Tom, your verbosity does not answer my question. - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 9:27 AM
                                1. According to the Bible, none of us can be infallible. - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 2:59 PM
                      2. i hear they sell metaphor detecting device in ebay. they call it usb hermeneuticon. - mzlplck on Feb 7, 2017, 2:52 PM
                        1. If something in the Bible is clearly not true if taken literally, then it obviously can't - Tomas on Feb 8, 2017, 11:03 AM
                          1. "the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah" (Jonah 1:17) - literal? - mzlplck on Feb 17, 2017, 2:05 PM
                            1. God can do a miracle, to preserve a prophet inside a great fish, alive, - Tomas on Feb 18, 2017, 8:00 AM
                              1. Let's just believe. Let's not even invoke Archaeology digs in the deep blue sea... - nref on Feb 18, 2017, 7:29 PM
                                1. Digs in the sea would not uncover remnants of prophet Jonah in the remnants - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 1:53 AM
                              2. you know what you just did? its called "proving a negative" - mzlplck on Feb 23, 2017, 1:47 PM
                                1. Thanks! So, that's what it's called - Proving a Negative.. - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 2:26 PM
                                2. Mzlplck, it is well known that Fred Flintstone was created as a fictional character. - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 6:10 AM
              2. Re: There is no such thing as eternal suffering in the lake of fire. - nref on Feb 15, 2017, 9:53 PM
                1. The soul of dead people is dead. So it is not true that the soul can't die. - Tomas on Feb 17, 2017, 6:32 AM
                  1. Re: The soul of dead people is dead. So it is not true that the soul can't die. - nref on Feb 17, 2017, 8:36 AM
                    1. It is in the Bible. Look for example at John 3:16, the righteous will inherit eternal - Tomas on Feb 17, 2017, 8:45 AM
                      1. Well, how do you explain the Bible passage on Lazarus? - nref on Feb 18, 2017, 5:20 AM
                        1. Depends on which Lazarus you mean. If you mean the friend of Jesus, - Tomas on Feb 18, 2017, 8:25 AM
                          1. The Lazarus who was envied by the rich man. 2 Maccabees urges prayers for the dead... - nref on Feb 18, 2017, 6:11 PM
                            1. Prayers for the dead are good, in case someone died unsaved, we can pray - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 2:04 AM
                              1. Thus, you DO believe praying for the dead is not totally useless... - nref on Feb 21, 2017, 2:03 PM
                                1. Yes, such prayers are no way useless. They are good. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 2:52 PM
                          2. Parables, like the Fig Tree are based on real things-Lazarus & rich man didn't exist? - nref on Feb 19, 2017, 3:25 PM
                            1. The fig tree was real. But most parables of Jesus featured imaginary persons. - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 2:14 AM
                              1. Those persons were UNIDENTIFIED but not IMAGINARY, comprendes? - nref on Feb 22, 2017, 7:36 PM
                                1. Look at Aesop's fables, they are parables with animals. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 11:22 PM
                                2. Tomas, a Magna Cum Laude, for a non-native English speaker... - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 1:03 AM
                                3. I came to the US, when I was only 15 years old, so since that time, during - Tomas on Feb 23, 2017, 2:23 AM
                                4. Tomas, from your NKVD-StB secret files.... - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 2:57 PM
                                5. Yes, correct. - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 6:12 AM
                  2. Re: The soul of dead people is dead. So it is not true that the soul can't die. - almario on Feb 19, 2017, 3:32 AM
                  3. Re: The soul of dead people is dead. So it is not true that the soul can't die. - almario on Feb 19, 2017, 3:34 AM
                    1. I believed in soul sleep, or in other words, soul death, even before I started - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 2:27 AM
                      1. Re: I believed in soul sleep, or in other words, soul death, even before I started - almario on Feb 21, 2017, 1:20 PM
                        1. Only the living can praise God, the dead can't, Is. 38:18-19, Ps. 115:17. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 2:58 PM
                          1. Re: Only the living can praise God, the dead can't, Is. 38:18-19, Ps. 115:17. - almario on Feb 22, 2017, 3:05 PM
                            1. You mean that literally they can't praise God, but can praise Him figuratively? - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 3:42 PM
                              1. Re: You mean that literally they can't praise God, but can praise Him figuratively? - almario on Feb 22, 2017, 6:07 PM
                                1. Maybe spiritually the whole world can be said to praise God, but literally only - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 11:27 PM
                                2. Re: Maybe spiritually the whole world can be said to praise God, but literally only - almario on Feb 23, 2017, 3:19 PM
                                3. None of these verses disprove what the Bible says that the dead cannot praise - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 6:15 AM
                                4. Re: None of these verses disprove what the Bible says that the dead cannot praise - almario on Feb 24, 2017, 4:48 PM
                                5. Why do you reject God's infallible words that the dead cannot praise God? - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 5:47 AM
                                6. Re: Why do you reject God's infallible words that the dead cannot praise God? - almario on Feb 25, 2017, 10:49 PM
                                7. Blatant error? The Bible is very explicit that the dead know nothing and cannot - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 7:52 AM
                                8. Re: Why do you reject God's infallible words that the dead cannot praise God? - almario on Feb 26, 2017, 1:34 PM
                                9. Ps. 115:17 says "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into - Tomas on Feb 27, 2017, 2:48 AM
                                10. Re: Ps. 115:17 says "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into - almario on Feb 27, 2017, 1:56 PM
                                11. Those verses should show you that you need to interpret the parable of Lazarus - Tomas on Mar 1, 2017, 8:41 AM
                                12. Re: Those verses should show you that you need to interpret the parable of Lazarus - almario on Mar 3, 2017, 1:05 AM
                                13. You keep misinterpreting that parable. - Tomas on Mar 3, 2017, 6:19 AM
                                14. Re: You keep misinterpreting that parable. - almario on Mar 5, 2017, 3:23 PM
                                15. As you wrote, not of the letter, but of the spirit. - Tomas on Mar 6, 2017, 1:18 AM
                                16. Re: As you wrote, not of the letter, but of the spirit. - almario on Mar 6, 2017, 8:58 PM
                                17. Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, in spiritual words, so you can't take it - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 9:13 AM
                                18. Re: Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, in spiritual words, so you can't take it - almario on Mar 8, 2017, 2:20 PM
                                19. None of your comments change the fact that the dead know nothing, - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 3:15 PM
                                20. Re: None of your comments change the fact that the dead know nothing, - almario on Mar 8, 2017, 3:54 PM
                                21. No problem, I became as a little child, I believe that he is he, the Light of the world, - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 7:45 PM
                                22. Re: No problem, I became as a little child, I believe that he is he, the Light of the world, - almario on Mar 9, 2017, 2:52 AM
                                23. You emphasize what you think is correct faith, yet the verses you chose, Mt. 7:21-23, - Tomas on Mar 9, 2017, 3:51 AM
                                24. Re: You emphasize what you think is correct faith, yet the verses you chose, Mt. 7:21-23, - almario on Mar 9, 2017, 11:39 AM
                                25. Come on. There is no verse saying anything like we are saved by believing - Tomas on Mar 10, 2017, 5:42 AM
                                26. Re: Come on. There is no verse saying anything like we are saved by believing - almario on Mar 10, 2017, 1:23 PM
                                27. Jesus knows me, so no need for me to depart from him. - Tomas on Mar 11, 2017, 10:39 AM
                                28. Re: Jesus knows me, so no need for me to depart from him. - almario on Mar 11, 2017, 1:00 PM
                                29. You are clearly now trying to draw a parallel between the "I am he" in Is.43:10 - Tomas on Mar 11, 2017, 10:23 PM
                                30. Re: You are clearly now trying to draw a parallel between the "I am he" in Is.43:10 - almario on Mar 11, 2017, 11:00 PM
                                31. I am not isolating the Old Testament from the New Testament, I believe in - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 1:57 AM
                                32. Re: I am not isolating the Old Testament from the New Testament, I believe in - almario on Mar 12, 2017, 4:03 AM
                                33. There are many who can say "I am he". I can say "I am he". You can say "I a - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 8:32 AM
                                34. Re: There are many who can say "I am he". I can say "I am he". You can say " - almario on Mar 12, 2017, 1:25 PM
                                35. No, I am not isolating the two sacred Testaments. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2017, 4:27 AM
                                36. Re: No, I am not isolating the two sacred Testaments. - almario on Mar 13, 2017, 3:12 PM
                                37. I did not accuse you of isolating the two Testaments. It is you who is accussing - Tomas on Mar 15, 2017, 3:21 PM
                                38. Re: I did not accuse you of isolating the two Testaments. It is you who is accussing - almario on Mar 15, 2017, 4:26 PM
                                39. I am not accusing you of isolating the two Testament. But the Bible is accusing you - Tomas on Mar 15, 2017, 4:55 PM
                                40. Re: I am not accusing you of isolating the two Testament. But the Bible is accusing you - almario on Mar 15, 2017, 5:43 PM
                                41. Not loosely. I want to believe everything the word of God teaches me, and I don't - Tomas on Mar 16, 2017, 5:12 AM
                                42. Re: Not loosely. I want to believe everything the word of God teaches me, and I don't - almario on Mar 16, 2017, 10:54 PM
                                43. None of the verses you posted ban anything you think is banned. - Tomas on Mar 17, 2017, 6:49 AM
                                44. Re: None of the verses you posted ban anything you think is banned. - almario on Mar 17, 2017, 5:28 PM
                                45. You are just repeating yourself after I proved to you that the verses you quoted - Tomas on Mar 18, 2017, 7:19 PM
                                46. Re: You are just repeating yourself after I proved to you that the verses you quoted - almario on Mar 19, 2017, 12:14 AM
                                47. God's infallible words are great. But I proved to you the verses do not mean - Tomas on Mar 19, 2017, 8:14 AM
                                48. Re: God's infallible words are great. But I proved to you the verses do not mean - almario on Mar 19, 2017, 5:24 PM
                                49. You should follow God's doctrine and not commandments of men, by trying to twist - Tomas on Mar 20, 2017, 3:59 AM
                                50. Re: You should follow God's doctrine and not commandments of men, by trying to twist - almario on Mar 20, 2017, 11:10 PM
                                51. You are repeating the verses, yet none of them say what you claim they say. - Tomas on Mar 22, 2017, 1:07 PM
                                52. Re: You are repeating the verses, yet none of them say what you claim they say. - almario on Mar 22, 2017, 4:25 PM
                                53. You failed to provide any verse that says what you claim they say. - Tomas on Mar 22, 2017, 6:37 PM
                                54. Re: You failed to provide any verse that says what you claim they say. - almario on Mar 22, 2017, 7:03 PM
                                55. You should not twist the meaning of verses to try and provide a false spiritual message. - Tomas on Mar 22, 2017, 8:09 PM
                                56. Re: You should not twist the meaning of verses to try and provide a false spiritual message. - almario on Mar 23, 2017, 2:54 AM
                                57. Good verses. You should follow the example of Jesus and the apostles. - Tomas on Mar 24, 2017, 5:58 AM
          3. Power at last - Those bustards will wish they were never born - Hijo on Feb 4, 2017, 2:34 PM
            1. See my comments in the post above. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 2:55 PM
      2. Plus I can see it being heaven - HiJo on Feb 2, 2017, 7:19 AM
     
  10. Aid for Humanity Macau - Where next Forbes Park? View Thread - Hijo on Mar 24, 2017, 1:40 AM
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  12. Tomas. John 1:3 Who does INC say is the HIM in that verse that created the world? View Thread - Eric on Mar 10, 2017, 10:57 AM
    1. I think they still believe the Word is the plan of salvation, so then all things - Tomas on Mar 11, 2017, 10:44 AM
      1. Then thats a FALSE doctrine which makes INC a FALSE religion - Eric on Mar 11, 2017, 12:24 PM
        1. But no denomination can be infallible. We all can have false doctrines. - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 3:06 AM
          1. You Tomas should NOT miss a minute of James White when he debates INC - Eric on Mar 12, 2017, 3:38 AM
            1. Re: You Tomas should NOT miss a minute of James White when he debates INC - John Snow on Mar 12, 2017, 5:40 AM
              1. OK, if this debate appears on this forum, I will try to watch it. - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 7:50 AM
                1. Try watching James White on YOU TUBE before the debate and LEARN something TOMAS - Eric on Mar 12, 2017, 1:33 PM
                  1. OK, I have found that he is an elder of the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2017, 4:23 AM
                    1. Re: OK, I have found that he is an elder of the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. - John Snow on Mar 13, 2017, 7:34 AM
                      1. The Trinity theory is a possible interpretation of what God is like. - Tomas on Mar 15, 2017, 3:24 PM
                    2. Re: OK, I have found that he is an elder of the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. - John Snow on Mar 13, 2017, 7:35 AM
                      1. Felix Manalo is not prophesied in the Bible, very true. Still, all preachers - Tomas on Mar 15, 2017, 3:26 PM
    2. In 1st John1:1-3, it's a neuter pronoun - Wayne on Mar 23, 2017, 3:04 AM
     
  13. White vs Jose Teeth on livestream. Will INC makes this MUST-SEE for all its members? View Thread - Eric on Mar 21, 2017, 8:15 PM
    1. Of course, they want them to see Joe Ventilacion's cheerleaders to fight against Mr. White - iamonewithGod on Mar 21, 2017, 10:02 PM
     
  14. How INC threatens those that want to leave the CULT View Thread - Eric on Mar 20, 2017, 7:20 PM
    1. They weren't her friends to begin with. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 20, 2017, 10:01 PM
    2. Well, if that's the case, then they are not true friends in the first place. - iamonewithGod on Mar 20, 2017, 10:05 PM
     
  15. Did you wish to PM me? Not sure if Net54 supports that function. View Thread - Capt. Seabird on Feb 11, 2017, 5:31 PM
    1. Wrong thread, whoops. - Capt. Seabird on Feb 11, 2017, 5:31 PM
    2. Re: Did you wish to PM me? Not sure if Net54 supports that function. - Anti-INC on Feb 20, 2017, 3:59 AM
      1. Alright. If you have an AIM account, I could contact you that way. - Capt. Seabird on Feb 27, 2017, 8:14 PM
        1. Re: Alright. If you have an AIM account, I could contact you that way. - Anti-INC on Mar 20, 2017, 1:32 PM
     
  16. 8 DEAD BECAUSE OF THE CHURCH'S RECKLESSNESS View Thread - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 7, 2017, 2:28 PM
    1. nOhhhhh.....goody - underarmour on Mar 7, 2017, 2:43 PM
      1. Wow, it is really INC that did it. They had tickets saying proud to be a member - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 8:18 AM
    2. I already did.. - iamonewithGod on Mar 7, 2017, 10:44 PM
      1. What did they say when you showed them what happened? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 8, 2017, 12:54 PM
        1. So for them, it's still the people's fault? - iamonewithGod on Mar 8, 2017, 9:46 PM
          1. Tell your fellow INC members that there is no verse that praises the proud, all verses - Tomas on Mar 9, 2017, 2:44 AM
    3. I have told many the INC is a criminal organization. Need I say more... - Capt. Seabird on Mar 7, 2017, 11:02 PM
      1. Here is the link to prove it - Capt. Seabird on Mar 7, 2017, 11:04 PM
        1. 9 Month Old Baby among the Dead - Kim Jong Il on Mar 7, 2017, 11:38 PM
          1. Minions be like: "That is the will of God!" - iamonewithGod on Mar 8, 2017, 12:10 AM
            1. It is because the INC advertised that they were proud members of the Church - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 8:25 AM
    4. Can't wait for Inc S next movie about their deeds in Africa - Hijo on Mar 7, 2017, 11:43 PM
      1. The cameras would have been rolling - Hijo on Mar 7, 2017, 11:55 PM
    5. The INC in eagerness for African soul fruits had reap disaster - Sis Lori on Mar 18, 2017, 5:31 PM
      1. Africa - Never about new souls- Same as every"Propogation activity" - HiJo on Mar 20, 2017, 2:19 AM
     
  17. another midweek waste of time View Thread - hoopdedoo on Mar 15, 2017, 3:04 PM
    1. I'm with you bro... I'm with you. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 15, 2017, 5:54 PM
    2. So, I'm not really missing anything whenever I skip EVM services every Thursday. - iamonewithGod on Mar 15, 2017, 11:26 PM
    3. Read the bible to your wife DAILY. READ the WORD and have her watch James White - Eric on Mar 16, 2017, 2:34 AM
    4. make sure the ENTIRE family watches that debate with White if possible!! - Eric on Mar 16, 2017, 2:35 AM
    5. Can relate 100% - The same old thing every time - HiJo on Mar 16, 2017, 3:56 AM
      1. crying maniacs - hoopdedoo on Mar 16, 2017, 4:24 PM
        1. The Bible does not ban public prayer in a worship service. - Tomas on Mar 17, 2017, 7:09 AM
          1. prayers in public - hoopdedoo on Mar 17, 2017, 5:17 PM
            1. I agree, the screaming and wailing is just showy emotionalism, not likely - Tomas on Mar 18, 2017, 7:22 PM
        2. The INC is all superficiality and pride. - HiJo on Mar 17, 2017, 10:04 AM
      2. Re: Can relate 100% - The same old thing every time - John Snow on Mar 17, 2017, 7:14 AM
        1. If they were to deliver food door to door, then food would be accepted not only - Tomas on Mar 18, 2017, 7:28 PM
     
  18. Upcoming Debate in April - This one is going to be good! View Thread - John Snow on Mar 10, 2017, 3:37 PM
    1. The Bible does not say if God is a Trinity or not, so why even debate it? - Tomas on Mar 11, 2017, 10:33 AM
      1. More than INC you need to benefit from James White. you are as lost as INC! - Eric on Mar 11, 2017, 12:26 PM
        1. I have seen a huge number of 'proofs' of the Trinity theory. I have studied all the verses - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 3:02 AM
          1. so CHRIST was NOT send from heaven? - Eric on Mar 12, 2017, 3:45 AM
            1. Christ was sent from heaven. I believe he is the beginning of the creation of God, see - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 7:57 AM
              1. WRONG. John 1:3 says " ALL things created by HIM" the HIM is CHRIST - Eric on Mar 12, 2017, 1:36 PM
                1. Wrong? But I agree with what you just said. The Word is Christ. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2017, 4:00 AM
      2. Re: The Bible does not say if God is a Trinity or not, so why even debate it? - John Snow on Mar 12, 2017, 5:37 AM
        1. Of course I don't believe God has revealed all to us. - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 8:14 AM
          1. Re: Of course I don't believe God has revealed all to us. - John Snow on Mar 12, 2017, 8:25 AM
            1. OK, thanks. So maybe I will remember to look it up on this Alpha and Omegaq - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 8:38 AM
    2. Why can't the INC put up an American Minister? - Sis Lori on Mar 18, 2017, 4:43 PM
     
  19. There existed a purgatorial insurance company!!! View Thread - Wayne on Mar 11, 2017, 1:58 AM
    1. The Papal Hawkers - Wayne on Mar 11, 2017, 2:35 AM
      1. What about the Zambia debacle? - iamonewithGod on Mar 14, 2017, 4:40 AM
    2. all religions sell salvation - hoopdedo on Mar 14, 2017, 2:56 PM
      1. Re: all religions sell salvation - almario on Mar 14, 2017, 6:49 PM
    3. Crazy stuff people believe - HiJo on Mar 15, 2017, 3:25 AM
      1. Re: Crazy stuff people believe - almario on Mar 15, 2017, 3:06 PM
        1. Picture paints a thousand words - HiJo on Mar 16, 2017, 4:03 AM
     
  20. Reviews are coming in View Thread - HiJo on Mar 9, 2017, 6:56 AM
    1. Which website? - iamonewithGod on Mar 9, 2017, 7:48 AM
      1. Never mind, just saw it. It's burning with so many negative comments about EVM's cult. - iamonewithGod on Mar 9, 2017, 11:15 AM
    2. Love these old reviews - HiJo on Mar 15, 2017, 11:01 AM
     
  21. Have you kissed the Pope's foot? View Thread - Wayne on Mar 11, 2017, 2:03 AM
    1. have you "Made EVM smile" - hoopdedo on Mar 14, 2017, 3:00 PM
    2. Do you "Obey First and Never Complain“? - underarmour on Mar 14, 2017, 3:52 PM
     
  22. Church of Christ in Zambia must continue operating View Thread - HiJo on Mar 13, 2017, 6:56 AM
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  24. Weapons at 36 Tandang Sora - Thats nothing View Thread - HiJo on Mar 10, 2017, 4:40 AM
    1. How would the weapons be sneaked inside #36? - iamonewithGod on Mar 10, 2017, 5:09 AM
      1. Another Guiness world record - Cult with most guns - hiJo on Mar 10, 2017, 6:17 AM
        1. Re: Another Guiness world record - Cult with most guns - John Snow on Mar 10, 2017, 2:57 PM
          1. Paid for by the members in any case - Guns & ammmo - Hijo on Mar 13, 2017, 6:29 AM
     
  25. Who needs to learn more on here? INC or TOMAS? its a DEADHEAT! lol View Thread - Eric on Mar 12, 2017, 3:56 AM
    1. Maybe Eric needs to learn more on here? - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 8:40 AM
      1. I've learned that you are the BIGGEST INC advocate on here - Eric on Mar 12, 2017, 1:29 PM
        1. Have you not noticed Wayne here? He is back. He is an INC advocate. I am not. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2017, 4:24 AM
     
  26. Tomas: What is the FAITH that saves a person according to INC?? View Thread - Eric on Mar 10, 2017, 11:01 AM
    1. I suppose they believe it is faith in the INC doctrines as taught in their indoctrination - Tomas on Mar 11, 2017, 10:41 AM
      1. Then thats a FALSE doctrine which makes INC a FALSE religion - Eric on Mar 11, 2017, 12:25 PM
        1. But no denomination can be infallible. We all can have false doctrines. - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 3:05 AM
          1. Re: But no denomination can be infallible. We all can have false doctrines. - John Snow on Mar 12, 2017, 5:41 AM
            1. A church that believes in the inerrancy of the Bible is going to have far more good - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 7:48 AM
     
  27. Tomas: INC teaches that one is of the BODY of Christ after INC baptism. TRUE? View Thread - Eric on Mar 10, 2017, 11:03 AM
    1. I believe they do teach that. - Tomas on Mar 11, 2017, 10:40 AM
      1. Then thats a FALSE doctrine which makes INC a FALSE religion - Eric on Mar 11, 2017, 12:25 PM
        1. But no denomination can be infallible. We all can have false doctrines. - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 3:04 AM
     
  28. I was offline for about a week I guess. Just read some news now. View Thread - Wayne on Mar 11, 2017, 3:19 AM
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  30. The very title of the Pope itself makes him unholy View Thread - Wayne on Feb 28, 2017, 1:46 AM
    1. Typical INC - HiJo on Feb 28, 2017, 2:46 AM
    2. William Smith in his INCflections blog addresses EGM as Tatay, respectfully. - nref on Feb 28, 2017, 3:14 PM
      1. Are you sure the name "William Smith" is not an alias? - Wayne on Mar 11, 2017, 1:56 AM
     
  31. Now changed their name? (Acts 20-28 anything but Lamsa) View Thread - HiJo on Mar 8, 2017, 12:55 AM
    1. Re: Now changed their name? (Acts 20-28 anything but Lamsa) - John Snow on Mar 8, 2017, 7:47 AM
      1. It is not up to the government of Zambia to decide which church is Christian - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 7:58 AM
    2. Yes, it is confusing, places say Church of Christ, other places in articles say Church of - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 7:54 AM
    3. Might of been some miscommunication - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 10, 2017, 1:23 PM
      1. Re: Might of been some miscommunication - John Snow on Mar 10, 2017, 3:00 PM
     
  32. TOMAS: What INC lessons are according to the bible? name them all! View Thread - Eric on Mar 7, 2017, 9:48 PM
    1. I was told by somebody that INC has changed their lessons after the death of Erano - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 8:29 AM
      1. You defend INC constantly here and you dont know their doctrines? - Eric on Mar 8, 2017, 6:07 PM
        1. So far I have not read anything where they would go against the gospel. - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 7:39 PM
          1. You just admitted ONE BAPTISM that INC teaches is FALSE - Eric on Mar 8, 2017, 9:51 PM
            1. That is not a gospel doctrine. Plenty of churches teach water baptism saves, but - Tomas on Mar 9, 2017, 2:31 AM
              1. Re: That is not a gospel doctrine. Plenty of churches teach water baptism saves, but - John Snow on Mar 9, 2017, 3:02 PM
                1. I did not say that only two doctrines are necessary for salvation. - Tomas on Mar 10, 2017, 5:38 AM
     
  33. Who owns the INC property? View Thread - HiJo on Mar 9, 2017, 1:10 AM
    1. Didn't the children of Erano claim they own the building, the INC does not? If - Tomas on Mar 9, 2017, 2:05 AM
      1. The dead of sale - Hijo on Mar 9, 2017, 11:49 PM
        1. You must mean deed of sale. Though I guess since you are talking about a dead husband, - Tomas on Mar 10, 2017, 5:19 AM
     
  34. Africa scam View Thread - hoopdedoo on Mar 8, 2017, 4:18 PM
    1. No prayers for the victims surprise suprise - Hijo on Mar 9, 2017, 12:03 AM
      1. The INC does not believe in prayers for the dead, they believe incorrectly that - Tomas on Mar 9, 2017, 2:12 AM
      2. the lesson after the disaster - hoopdedoo on Mar 9, 2017, 4:01 PM
        1. They are idiots religous idiots wasting their lives on a scam - Hijo on Mar 9, 2017, 11:53 PM
     
 
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