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  1. Iglesia ni Cristo in a nutshell - Doctrines exposed sticky (151 replies) View Thread - Cultic Research on Aug 18, 2005, 9:54 PM
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  3. The debate - You cant argue with a sick mind View Thread - HiJo on Apr 24, 2017, 4:21 AM
    1. INC has problems, it is run like a dictatorship, but that does not mean they are insane, - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 5:16 AM
      1. Re: INC has problems, it is run like a dictatorship, but that does not mean they are insane, - John Snow on Apr 24, 2017, 7:19 AM
        1. Legally, in American law, insanity means committing crimes and not being aware - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 9:58 AM
          1. You are confused. - Deacon646 on Apr 24, 2017, 11:47 AM
            1. It is not an issue of not understanding the consequences. Somebody might - Tomas on Apr 26, 2017, 2:57 PM
              1. Re: It is not an issue of not understanding the consequences. Somebody might - John Snow on Apr 26, 2017, 7:45 PM
    2. As a dog returns to his own vomit, So a fool repeats his folly. - Coffeemaker on Apr 24, 2017, 11:41 AM
      1. Those who are bound by desire see only that which can be held in their hands. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 24, 2017, 11:47 AM
     
  4. JOSE V looked like deer in headlights vs White! Sad if one is in INC View Thread - Eric on Apr 22, 2017, 4:48 AM
    1. INCers don't get it - hoopdedoo on Apr 22, 2017, 6:27 PM
    2. ignorant INC comments - hoopdedoo on Apr 22, 2017, 7:06 PM
      1. You see, no ancient Greek manuscript of the New Testament is perfect, they are all copies. - Tomas on Apr 22, 2017, 9:40 PM
        1. Good boy! Keep defending INC ! - Eric on Apr 23, 2017, 11:59 AM
          1. I have been criticizing INC on this forum since I joined the forum. - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 3:18 AM
        2. Re: You see, no ancient Greek manuscript of the New Testament is perfect, they are all copies. - John Snow on Apr 23, 2017, 6:10 PM
          1. Of course I know the difference between Greek copies and the translations maded - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 3:28 AM
            1. Re: Of course I know the difference between Greek copies and the translations maded - John Snow on Apr 24, 2017, 7:40 AM
              1. You don't understand me. While no copies are perfect, they are usually quite reliable, - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 9:50 AM
                1. Re: You don't understand me. While no copies are perfect, they are usually quite reliable, - John Snow on Apr 26, 2017, 4:19 PM
                  1. They are quite reliable. None is perfect, but we need to compare the old copies, - Tomas on Apr 26, 2017, 6:58 PM
        3. some questions for tomas - hoopdedoo on Apr 23, 2017, 10:25 PM
          1. My answers: - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 4:09 AM
            1. your answers - hoopdedoo on Apr 24, 2017, 3:00 PM
              1. It is true that I have read their worship services have deteriorated, compared - Tomas on Apr 26, 2017, 2:51 PM
     
  5. Irrefutable verses View Thread - Wayne on Apr 12, 2017, 4:15 AM
    1. The book of John teaches the Trinity - Jose Rizal Fan on Apr 12, 2017, 4:41 AM
      1. How does John teach Trinity and not fewer than 3 persons or more than 3? - Tomas on Apr 12, 2017, 9:46 AM
        1. What? - hoopdedoo on Apr 12, 2017, 12:59 PM
          1. That website did not prove the Trinity theory. It basically just tried to prove - Tomas on Apr 12, 2017, 7:32 PM
            1. you are your own church. - hoopdedoo on Apr 14, 2017, 2:00 PM
              1. I belong to the church of God, mentioned several times in the Bible, e.g. 1 Cor. 1:2, - Tomas on Apr 15, 2017, 4:56 PM
                1. Re: I belong to the church of God, mentioned several times in the Bible, e.g. 1 Cor. 1:2, - John Snow on Apr 15, 2017, 5:44 PM
                  1. So then tell me which part of the gospel INC rejects. I don't know of any. - Tomas on Apr 16, 2017, 8:51 AM
                    1. sigh... - hoopdedoo on Apr 23, 2017, 10:49 PM
                      1. I agree there are big flaws in INC. But my point is I don't see any part of the gospel - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 3:09 AM
                        1. read again - hoopdedoo on Apr 25, 2017, 1:02 PM
                          1. Well, Jesus died for the church. So when we become saved, we are added - Tomas on Apr 26, 2017, 2:44 PM
          2. At least these two are honest enough - Wayne on Apr 16, 2017, 7:19 AM
    2. Re: Irrefutable verses - Nom on Apr 12, 2017, 7:51 AM
    3. My lord and my god - hijo on Apr 12, 2017, 3:44 PM
      1. Mormons do believe Jesus is God. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2017, 7:39 PM
     
  6. The "debate" View Thread - hoopdedo on Apr 22, 2017, 3:02 PM
    1. I watched part of it - Deacon646 on Apr 22, 2017, 8:48 PM
      1. I watched all of it today, Saturday afternoon. And I would say Dr. White lost the debate, - Tomas on Apr 22, 2017, 9:36 PM
        1. Biblical Text Citing Jesus as God - Alexander on Apr 23, 2017, 3:54 AM
          1. None of them really say Jesus is God. - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 5:06 AM
            1. Re: None of them really say Jesus is God. - CalvaryHiker on Apr 25, 2017, 7:53 PM
        2. You NOT noticed INC used "BEGOTTEN GOD" bible version? and u think they won? lol - Eric on Apr 23, 2017, 11:57 AM
          1. Ventilacion did not win by much. He also used some wrong arguments. - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 5:12 AM
            1. Re: Ventilacion did not win by much. He also used some wrong arguments. - John Snow on Apr 24, 2017, 7:20 AM
              1. You don't understand my comments? Since you say I argue with myself. But I have - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 9:56 AM
                1. Re: You don't understand my comments? Since you say I argue with myself. But I have - John Snow on Apr 24, 2017, 5:05 PM
    2. Dr. White talks about the debate - Jose Rizal Fan on Apr 26, 2017, 2:41 AM
      1. AWESOME AFTER ACTION REPORT!! - underarmour on Apr 26, 2017, 4:44 AM
      2. Debate Reviews - Jose Rizal Fan on Apr 26, 2017, 5:15 AM
      3. I was deeply disappointed at Ventilacion during the debate - iamonewithGod on Apr 26, 2017, 7:21 AM
      4. JOE VENTILACION CAN'T READ GREEK - Sebastian Rauffenburg on Apr 26, 2017, 1:35 PM
     
  7. is this what I think it is? View Thread - hoopdedoo on Apr 23, 2017, 11:13 PM
    1. Re: is this what I think it is? - John Snow on Apr 24, 2017, 12:10 AM
    2. This is what INC perfected the most: - iamonewithGod on Apr 24, 2017, 1:21 AM
      1. Re: This is what INC perfected the most: - John Snow on Apr 24, 2017, 4:39 AM
        1. Re: This is what INC perfected the most: - John Snow on Apr 24, 2017, 4:45 AM
          1. And because of their false assumption, that post was already deleted. - iamonewithGod on Apr 24, 2017, 7:16 PM
    3. Dr. White Responds....and has a request... - underarmour on Apr 24, 2017, 4:49 AM
     
  8. Copies of The Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia Ni Cristo? View Thread - BigBoomBap on Apr 24, 2017, 5:39 PM
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  10. Upcoming Debate in April - This one is going to be good! View Thread - John Snow on Mar 10, 2017, 3:37 PM
    1. The Bible does not say if God is a Trinity or not, so why even debate it? - Tomas on Mar 11, 2017, 10:33 AM
      1. More than INC you need to benefit from James White. you are as lost as INC! - Eric on Mar 11, 2017, 12:26 PM
        1. I have seen a huge number of 'proofs' of the Trinity theory. I have studied all the verses - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 3:02 AM
          1. so CHRIST was NOT send from heaven? - Eric on Mar 12, 2017, 3:45 AM
            1. Christ was sent from heaven. I believe he is the beginning of the creation of God, see - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 7:57 AM
              1. WRONG. John 1:3 says " ALL things created by HIM" the HIM is CHRIST - Eric on Mar 12, 2017, 1:36 PM
                1. Wrong? But I agree with what you just said. The Word is Christ. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2017, 4:00 AM
      2. Re: The Bible does not say if God is a Trinity or not, so why even debate it? - John Snow on Mar 12, 2017, 5:37 AM
        1. Of course I don't believe God has revealed all to us. - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 8:14 AM
          1. Re: Of course I don't believe God has revealed all to us. - John Snow on Mar 12, 2017, 8:25 AM
            1. OK, thanks. So maybe I will remember to look it up on this Alpha and Omegaq - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 8:38 AM
      3. Not a solid argument - Jedidiah on Apr 23, 2017, 8:57 AM
        1. The Bible does not teach that the Son and the Holy Spirit is God. - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 5:21 AM
    2. Why can't the INC put up an American Minister? - Sis Lori on Mar 18, 2017, 4:43 PM
      1. why no american minister - hoopdedoo on Apr 24, 2017, 3:57 PM
     
  11. JOHN 12:41 - Joe Ventilacion is not sure whose glory Isaiah is referring to View Thread - Placido on Apr 24, 2017, 9:10 AM
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  13. Tomas: Here is another list of verses DR White could have cited View Thread - Eric on Apr 23, 2017, 12:01 PM
    1. " Who did Adam and EVE hide from when they heard GOD WALKING in the garden? - Eric on Apr 23, 2017, 12:02 PM
      1. From God. - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 4:16 AM
    2. How is the world made THROUGH Christ if you say CHRIST was a THOUGHT then? - Eric on Apr 23, 2017, 12:03 PM
      1. Yes, INC is wrong on that, Christ preexisted as the Word, the Son of God. - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 4:17 AM
    3. How is Christ SENT by GOD to earth if you say CHRIST was NOT existing yet? - Eric on Apr 23, 2017, 12:04 PM
      1. Yes, INC is wrong on that, Christ was in heaven in his preexistence, so he was sent - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 4:18 AM
    4. Explain Exodus 33:11 " and the LORD spoke to Moses " face to face" ?? - Eric on Apr 23, 2017, 12:07 PM
      1. Yes, the Father, Yahweh, spoke to Moses face to face. Though of course Moses - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 4:20 AM
     
  14. Old and New Testament - 11 View Thread - almario on Mar 28, 2017, 4:10 PM
    1. We have a different law in the New Covenant. - Tomas on Mar 29, 2017, 2:13 PM
      1. Re: We have a different law in the New Covenant. - almario on Mar 29, 2017, 2:37 PM
        1. Re: We have a different law in the New Covenant. - almario on Mar 29, 2017, 2:46 PM
          1. You are repeating the same post. - Tomas on Mar 29, 2017, 2:50 PM
            1. Re: You are repeating the same post. - almario on Mar 29, 2017, 6:00 PM
        2. Good words. Anyway, Heb. 7:19 says "For the law made nothing perfect, but - Tomas on Mar 29, 2017, 2:49 PM
    2. Re: Old and New Testament - 11 - almario on Mar 31, 2017, 8:58 PM
      1. Sabbaths are not for today. - Tomas on Apr 1, 2017, 8:33 AM
      2. Re: Old and New Testament - 11 - almario on Apr 1, 2017, 6:53 PM
        1. Re: Old and New Testament - 11 - almario on Apr 2, 2017, 7:35 PM
          1. Re: Old and New Testament - 11 - almario on Apr 4, 2017, 1:44 AM
            1. Did the Father die? The Father was immortal, Is. 57:15, so he can't die. - Tomas on Apr 5, 2017, 12:54 PM
              1. Re: Did the Father die? The Father was immortal, Is. 57:15, so he can't die. - almario on Apr 5, 2017, 5:08 PM
                1. Deut. 33:27 says "The eternal God is thy refuge". Ps. 90:2 says "From everlasting - Tomas on Apr 6, 2017, 3:19 AM
                  1. Re: Deut. 33:27 says "The eternal God is thy refuge". Ps. 90:2 says "From everlastin - almario on Apr 7, 2017, 4:45 PM
                    1. Yes, 1 Tim. 1:17 proves that God is eternal, immortal. So God could not die. - Tomas on Apr 8, 2017, 8:30 AM
                      1. Re: Yes, 1 Tim. 1:17 proves that God is eternal, immortal. So God could not die. - almario on Apr 8, 2017, 3:59 PM
                        1. KJV has an unjustified addition in 1 John 3:16. - Tomas on Apr 9, 2017, 5:13 AM
                          1. Re: KJV has an unjustified addition in 1 John 3:16. - almario on Apr 9, 2017, 2:50 PM
                            1. Antiquity is veracity? So do you consider ancient Latin translations to be inspired? - Tomas on Apr 10, 2017, 5:14 AM
                              1. Re: Antiquity is veracity? So do you consider ancient Latin translations to be inspired? - almario on Apr 10, 2017, 4:55 PM
                                1. The KJV is just not very antique, it is only several centuries old. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2017, 10:06 AM
                                2. Re: The KJV is just not very antique, it is only several centuries old. - almario on Apr 14, 2017, 6:03 PM
                                3. For example the KJV has the pagan word Easter, in Acts 12:4, a mistranslation - Tomas on Apr 15, 2017, 3:03 PM
                                4. Re: For example the KJV has the pagan word Easter, in Acts 12:4, a mistranslation - almario on Apr 15, 2017, 3:37 PM
                                5. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, James 1:5. - Tomas on Apr 15, 2017, 4:41 PM
                                6. Re: If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, James 1:5. - almario on Apr 15, 2017, 5:50 PM
                                7. You think that whoever made that statement in the Library of Congress was inspired? - Tomas on Apr 16, 2017, 10:22 AM
                                8. Re: You think that whoever made that statement in the Library of Congress was inspired? - almario on Apr 16, 2017, 8:17 PM
                                9. It is that academe, scholastic, in depth scholar at the Library of Congress, who - Tomas on Apr 17, 2017, 4:37 AM
                                10. Re: It is that academe, scholastic, in depth scholar at the Library of Congress, who - almario on Apr 17, 2017, 2:55 PM
                                11. Just because someone at the Library of Congress had a theory about how the KJV came about, - Tomas on Apr 19, 2017, 9:23 AM
                                12. Re: Just because someone at the Library of Congress had a theory about how the KJV came about, - almario on Apr 19, 2017, 5:53 PM
                                13. It was the KJV that replaced Passover with the pagan name Easter in Acts. - Tomas on Apr 19, 2017, 7:01 PM
                                14. Re: It was the KJV that replaced Passover with the pagan name Easter in Acts. - almario on Apr 19, 2017, 11:51 PM
                                15. Passover is of course usually translated well in KJV, but mistranslated in Acts 12:4. - Tomas on Apr 20, 2017, 3:08 AM
                                16. Re: Passover is of course usually translated well in KJV, but mistranslated in Acts 12:4. - almario on Apr 20, 2017, 6:05 AM
                                17. Of course Christ's resurrection is emphasized in the Bible, but Passover was - Tomas on Apr 21, 2017, 8:43 AM
                                18. Re: Of course Christ's resurrection is emphasized in the Bible, but Passover was - almario on Apr 21, 2017, 3:08 PM
                                19. With Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform Jews, Passover begins only on the 15th - Tomas on Apr 22, 2017, 10:01 PM
            2. Re: Old and New Testament - 11 - almario on Apr 9, 2017, 11:25 PM
              1. Re: Old and New Testament - 11 - almario on Apr 14, 2017, 6:23 PM
                1. Re: Old and New Testament - 11 - almario on Apr 23, 2017, 12:35 AM
                  1. There have indeed been people who have claimed "I am Christ". - Tomas on Apr 23, 2017, 1:48 AM
                  2. Old and New Testament - 20 - almario on Apr 23, 2017, 4:00 PM
                    1. Of course we should all reject Satan, but as far as the nature of Christ, he told us - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 4:15 AM
        2. Almario, Paul wrote in Rom. 7:6 "But now we are delivered from the Law". - Tomas on Apr 3, 2017, 4:17 AM
     
  15. at 53:24 of the debate it was OVER for INC. Look at the verse INC cited View Thread - Eric on Apr 22, 2017, 12:18 PM
    1. " NO one has seen GOD at any time, the only begotten GOD who is in bosom of the Father. - Eric on Apr 22, 2017, 12:19 PM
      1. John 1:18 says in some manuscripts 'the only begotten Son'. - Tomas on Apr 22, 2017, 3:35 PM
        1. As usual you miss the point! INC cited THIS version !! OOPS!! - Eric on Apr 22, 2017, 3:43 PM
          1. Did you watch the whole debate? Because later Mr. Ventilacion explained - Tomas on Apr 22, 2017, 7:01 PM
            1. begotten - hoopdedoo on Apr 22, 2017, 7:09 PM
              1. I am not an apologist for Unitarianism, nor for Arianism. - Tomas on Apr 22, 2017, 9:24 PM
                1. pre-existence - hoopdedoo on Apr 23, 2017, 10:31 PM
                  1. So INC is wrong in that. Christ did preexist, he was the beginning of the creation - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 3:12 AM
            2. SO why did they use that Bible version? You are really INC!! - Eric on Apr 23, 2017, 12:00 PM
              1. I am no way INC. The INC uses various versions, as any church should. - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 3:13 AM
        2. your own twisted views. - hoopdedoo on Apr 22, 2017, 3:54 PM
          1. You threw plenty of verses at me, but I can explain them all. - Tomas on Apr 22, 2017, 9:18 PM
     
  16. Tomas or INC? Who needs more to learn from James White this Friday? View Thread - Eric on Apr 19, 2017, 2:37 PM
    1. INC. - Tomas on Apr 19, 2017, 5:50 PM
      1. Well of course you won't mention yourself. - iamonewithGod on Apr 20, 2017, 2:04 AM
        1. I have watched the debate already, and have not learned anything really new - Tomas on Apr 23, 2017, 2:21 AM
    2. Learn from what? A teaching from Jame's White imagination... - Wayne on Apr 22, 2017, 12:27 AM
    3. Jesus had spoken, we don't need James White's man-made teaching - Wayne on Apr 22, 2017, 1:05 AM
      1. read the whole bible - hoopdedo on Apr 22, 2017, 3:09 PM
      2. more that your admin hides from you - hoopdedoo on Apr 22, 2017, 3:52 PM
     
  17. Jehovah's Witnesses were banned yesterday in Russia. Could the same happen to INC? View Thread - Tomas on Apr 21, 2017, 8:56 AM
    1. Where is this info and... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 21, 2017, 2:14 PM
      1. Re: Where is this info and... - John Snow on Apr 21, 2017, 4:23 PM
        1. INC will not attract any attention from Russia - Deacon646 on Apr 21, 2017, 7:20 PM
          1. Putin surely does not know who INC are, but his secret police know all the denominations - Tomas on Apr 22, 2017, 9:51 PM
      2. It is on websites of various sources, google Did Russia ban the Jehovah's Witnesses. - Tomas on Apr 22, 2017, 9:48 PM
    2. A Russian government official visited INC HQ sometime last year - Wayne on Apr 22, 2017, 12:17 AM
      1. Here's the news link - Wayne on Apr 22, 2017, 12:21 AM
        1. The ambassador did not realize that INC fits the Russian definition of an extremist church - Tomas on Apr 22, 2017, 9:54 PM
     
  18. Today is the day! View Thread - John Snow on Apr 21, 2017, 4:30 PM
    1. Re: Today is the day! - John Snow on Apr 21, 2017, 4:34 PM
      1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnElgAnN414 - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 21, 2017, 5:06 PM
        1. Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnElgAnN414 - John Snow on Apr 21, 2017, 7:57 PM
      2. Re: Today is the day! - Deacon646 on Apr 22, 2017, 3:17 AM
    2. Nabugbog si Ventilacion. Nagmukhang TAE - antonio-menorca on Apr 22, 2017, 2:17 AM
     
  19. Caesar's Messiah View Thread - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 18, 2017, 2:12 PM
    1. Yeah, something to think about. - iamonewithGod on Apr 18, 2017, 10:33 PM
    2. What? Christianity was a Roman hoax designed to control slaves? - Tomas on Apr 19, 2017, 9:21 AM
      1. Jews... not Christians. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 19, 2017, 9:22 PM
        1. The Jewish uprisings happened in 1st century and near the beginning of 2nd century. But - Tomas on Apr 20, 2017, 3:15 AM
     
  20. DEBUNKING JOE VENTILACION REGARDING JOHN 1:1 THE WORD IS DIVINE View Thread - Dennis butic on Apr 2, 2017, 9:30 PM
    1. Jesus could be God. He is at least a god, in John 1:1, which can be translated - Tomas on Apr 3, 2017, 4:12 AM
    2. Re: DEBUNKING JOE VENTILACION REGARDING JOHN 1:1 THE WORD IS DIVINE - John Snow on Apr 3, 2017, 10:25 AM
      1. This debate will be like David and Goliath, with JV as David - Wayne on Apr 4, 2017, 2:26 AM
        1. Re: This debate will be like David and Goliath, with JV as David - John Snow on Apr 4, 2017, 4:17 PM
          1. INC only wins their debates because of their cheering squads. - iamonewithGod on Apr 5, 2017, 12:34 AM
          2. Come 21st April, James White will be pulverized to the ground - Wayne on Apr 12, 2017, 3:56 AM
            1. The same James White that will HUMILIATE Jose V more than expected - Eric on Apr 14, 2017, 3:16 AM
            2. INC can't even quote - Jose Rizal Fan on Apr 14, 2017, 4:20 AM
              1. Quote - Wayne on Apr 16, 2017, 9:21 AM
            3. Your lack of knowledge - hoopdedoo on Apr 14, 2017, 1:56 PM
              1. You think the Bible teaches God is a Trinity? No verse teaches us how many persons - Tomas on Apr 15, 2017, 5:03 PM
                1. Re: You think the Bible teaches God is a Trinity? No verse teaches us how many persons - John Snow on Apr 15, 2017, 5:43 PM
                  1. The relevant verses are hard to interpret, so it is not clear if they teach God is one - Tomas on Apr 16, 2017, 10:16 AM
                    1. Re: The relevant verses are hard to interpret, so it is not clear if they teach God is one - John Snow on Apr 16, 2017, 11:42 AM
                      1. I know you were sarcastic about praying to the executive ministers of INC, but - Tomas on Apr 17, 2017, 5:20 AM
                      2. No wonder a lot of people in this forum are annoyed at Tomas. - iamonewithGod on Apr 17, 2017, 7:01 AM
            4. Re: Come 21st April, James White will be pulverized to the ground - Deacon646 on Apr 16, 2017, 4:21 PM
              1. Well, I listened to a local debate a few years ago, between the local INC minister - Tomas on Apr 17, 2017, 5:26 AM
                1. This is why you are so LOST today and defend INC on here! - Eric on Apr 17, 2017, 12:30 PM
                  1. I often criticize INC here. - Tomas on Apr 19, 2017, 9:24 AM
                    1. There is NOTHING to DEFEND INC about. NONE ! ZERO! NIL! NADA!! - Eric on Apr 19, 2017, 2:38 PM
                      1. Do you fail to defend INC when they criticize praying to saints? - Tomas on Apr 19, 2017, 5:49 PM
     
  21. I saw today on the internet a few photos from Pope Francis' Easter mass, View Thread - Tomas on Apr 17, 2017, 5:38 AM
    1. Re: I saw today on the internet a few photos from Pope Francis' Easter mass, - John Snow on Apr 17, 2017, 11:15 AM
      1. I am not trying to discredit Catholics, they are a valid Christian church, preaching - Tomas on Apr 19, 2017, 9:41 AM
     
  22. To all who celebrate Easter Sunday, your celebration is unbiblical. View Thread - Tomas on Apr 15, 2017, 5:17 PM
    1. Re: To all who celebrate Easter Sunday, your celebration is unbiblical. - John Snow on Apr 15, 2017, 5:39 PM
      1. Wedding ceremonies are pagan? Some are, some are not. God presided over the wedding - Tomas on Apr 16, 2017, 8:10 AM
        1. Re: Wedding ceremonies are pagan? Some are, some are not. God presided over the wedding - John Snow on Apr 16, 2017, 12:08 PM
          1. Tomas - Hoopdedoo on Apr 16, 2017, 1:05 PM
            1. I am a Christian, and as a Christian, I need to determine for each doctrinal issue, - Tomas on Apr 17, 2017, 4:43 AM
          2. John, what makes you think Adam and Eve did not have a wedding ceremony? - Tomas on Apr 17, 2017, 5:11 AM
    2. Re: To all who celebrate Easter Sunday, your celebration is unbiblical. - Deacon646 on Apr 16, 2017, 3:25 AM
      1. I do not celebrate January 1st as New Year, that would celebrate a pagan calendar. - Tomas on Apr 16, 2017, 8:26 AM
        1. Re: I do not celebrate January 1st as New Year, that would celebrate a pagan calendar. - Deacon646 on Apr 16, 2017, 4:25 PM
          1. Being a good person is not enough, one has to obey biblical commandments, - Tomas on Apr 17, 2017, 5:17 AM
            1. Re: Being a good person is not enough, one has to obey biblical commandments, - John Snow on Apr 17, 2017, 11:17 AM
              1. A person should try to obey all the commandments. - Tomas on Apr 19, 2017, 9:30 AM
     
  23. Less Catholics attend mass View Thread - Wayne on Apr 16, 2017, 7:58 AM
    1. One example was my father, he considered himself Catholic, but he never - Tomas on Apr 16, 2017, 9:14 AM
    2. Re: Less Catholics attend mass - John Snow on Apr 16, 2017, 12:12 PM
      1. We are responsible for our OWN salvation? HUH? JESUS did all of the WORK - Eric on Apr 16, 2017, 1:41 PM
        1. Re: We are responsible for our OWN salvation? HUH? JESUS did all of the WORK - John Snow on Apr 17, 2017, 11:18 AM
    3. Re: Less Catholics attend mass - Deacon646 on Apr 16, 2017, 2:33 PM
      1. The official Catholic teaching is that church attendance at a mass on Sundays is mandatory - Tomas on Apr 17, 2017, 4:20 AM
        1. Re: The official Catholic teaching is that church attendance at a mass on Sundays is mandatory - Deacon646 on Apr 17, 2017, 11:54 AM
    4. mmmhmmm....that's not what the District statistics say... - underarmour on Apr 17, 2017, 12:15 AM
      1. Wow, so the theory is that INC members were afraid the person asking them could be INC? - Tomas on Apr 17, 2017, 4:27 AM
    5. And your point is? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 17, 2017, 1:16 AM
    6. It seems that Wayne does not attend their regular locale meetings. - iamonewithGod on Apr 17, 2017, 2:28 AM
     
  24. Debate livestream Dr. James R. White vs Joe Ventilacion View Thread - Jose Rizal Fan on Apr 8, 2017, 8:31 PM
    1. Re: Debate livestream Dr. James R. White vs Joe Ventilacion - John Snow on Apr 10, 2017, 3:58 AM
      1. Will Jose have the guts to cite the LAMSA or the MOFFATT? I cant wait!! - Eric on Apr 10, 2017, 5:08 PM
      2. Expect a lot of INC cheering squads for Ventilacion as well. - iamonewithGod on Apr 10, 2017, 11:22 PM
    2. Who you think will win? - Jose Rizal Fan on Apr 12, 2017, 12:24 AM
      1. Who you think will win? - Big John on Apr 12, 2017, 5:21 AM
      2. I think it will be a tie, since the Bible does not tell us whether Jesus is God or not. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2017, 9:51 AM
      3. Re: Who you think will win? - John Snow on Apr 13, 2017, 3:05 AM
    3. debate mentioned in WS - hoopdedoo on Apr 13, 2017, 3:35 PM
      1. Re: debate mentioned in WS - John Snow on Apr 14, 2017, 8:33 AM
        1. debate - hoopdedoo on Apr 14, 2017, 1:46 PM
          1. Here is a taste of what INC is in for... - John Snow on Apr 14, 2017, 5:17 PM
            1. Thank you for providing us with the debate of 2 Trinitarians with 2 Unitarians. - Tomas on Apr 15, 2017, 4:35 PM
              1. Re: Thank you for providing us with the debate of 2 Trinitarians with 2 Unitarians. - John Snow on Apr 15, 2017, 5:49 PM
                1. Trinitarians just don't give importance to what Jesus says! - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 2017, 10:56 PM
                  1. You don't really appreciate how Trinitarians interpret the verses you provide. - Tomas on Apr 16, 2017, 10:00 AM
                2. John, I clicked on the first link you provided, so I watched that first debate, - Tomas on Apr 16, 2017, 9:38 AM
     
  25. The anarthrous predicate nount in John 1:1c, "and the word was God" View Thread - Wayne on Mar 23, 2017, 3:11 AM
    1. INC - The masters of seeing things that aren't there - Hijo on Mar 24, 2017, 1:43 AM
    2. Theos in John 1:1 is not an adjective, since the word for 'divine' is theios. - Tomas on Mar 24, 2017, 5:49 AM
      1. You say it's "a god" with reference to John 10:35 - Wayne on Apr 12, 2017, 3:49 AM
        1. You are adding to John 1:1. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2017, 9:58 AM
          1. What!!!! Tom, you made reference to John 10:35 with John 1:1c - Wayne on Apr 16, 2017, 7:48 AM
            1. OK, now I understand what you meant. And it is certainly true, in John 1:1c - Tomas on Apr 16, 2017, 8:37 AM
    3. As the old saying goes... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 24, 2017, 9:45 PM
      1. It is beneficial to Christians to study at least some ancient Greek. - Tomas on Mar 25, 2017, 9:53 AM
     
  26. Holy supper explained - The unforgiven View Thread - HiJo on Mar 27, 2017, 1:55 AM
    1. The Lord's supper does not forgive sins. When we sin, we need to repent of the sin. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2017, 2:47 AM
      1. The real bible - God is not great - Hijo on Mar 27, 2017, 5:24 AM
        1. God is great, he is wonderful. No one is as great as God. The Bible proves it. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2017, 5:28 AM
          1. Take what you like and leave the rest - HiJo on Mar 27, 2017, 8:37 AM
            1. Tomas agrees with LOSING ones salvation! I pity the fools who think God makes an ERROR! - Eric on Mar 27, 2017, 1:08 PM
              1. God makes no error. If we abandon him, it is our fault, not his. - Tomas on Mar 29, 2017, 2:39 PM
            2. HiJo, all who die go to Hades, whether they die saved or not. - Tomas on Mar 29, 2017, 2:35 PM
        2. "religous scholars" - hoopdedoo on Mar 27, 2017, 2:24 PM
          1. Unverifiable product? The apostles were willing to die for proclaiming what they saw. - Tomas on Mar 29, 2017, 2:45 PM
            1. unverifiable - hoopdedoo on Apr 3, 2017, 4:11 PM
              1. Muslims who die for their beliefs do not die for miracles they witnessed. - Tomas on Apr 5, 2017, 12:58 PM
            2. Again... no way to back up if those things happened... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 3, 2017, 11:30 PM
              1. Christians of the second century spoke of the apostles and their martyrdom. - Tomas on Apr 5, 2017, 1:00 PM
                1. AMAZING! and where did you get this info? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 5, 2017, 2:37 PM
                  1. For example Clement of Rome, bishop of Rome, wrote around year 96 AD, - Tomas on Apr 6, 2017, 3:29 AM
                2. martyrs - hoopdedoo on Apr 5, 2017, 3:57 PM
                  1. When Muslims die for their beliefs, they don't die for witnessing any miracles, - Tomas on Apr 6, 2017, 3:39 AM
                    1. sigh, you dont get it - hoopdedoo on Apr 6, 2017, 4:08 PM
                      1. Sure, dying for a belief is no proof. But the apostles died for what they knew, - Tomas on Apr 7, 2017, 6:23 AM
                        1. And again, there is no proof of these testimonies. NOTHING. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 7, 2017, 11:54 AM
                          1. Above I gave you the proof from Clement of Rome. Have you seen it? - Tomas on Apr 8, 2017, 8:44 AM
                            1. Still not proof... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 8, 2017, 9:35 PM
                              1. Did the authors of the Vedas die martyr's deaths for testifying what they saw - Tomas on Apr 9, 2017, 4:51 AM
                                1. They're called Vimana... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 9, 2017, 6:29 PM
                                2. Did the authors of the Vedas die martyr's deaths for testifying about seeing vimanas? - Tomas on Apr 10, 2017, 5:22 AM
                                3. What's that got to do with anything? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 10, 2017, 11:46 AM
                                4. They could have been lying. They were not ready to die for their beliefs. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2017, 10:09 AM
                                5. your circular logic - hoopdedoo on Apr 12, 2017, 12:48 PM
                                6. hoopdedoo: I'm glad you responded... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 12, 2017, 4:04 PM
                                7. continued response - hoopdedoo on Apr 12, 2017, 6:12 PM
                                8. But you forget that nobody is willing to die for something he knows is a lie. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2017, 6:56 PM
                                9. you have no sense - hoopdedoo on Apr 12, 2017, 7:52 PM
                                10. It is not a matter of belief, it is a matter that if it were not true, they would be lying - Tomas on Apr 13, 2017, 2:06 AM
                                11. *shakes head* - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 13, 2017, 2:02 PM
                                12. Don't you believe eyewitness testimony? You want to see weapons? Like - Tomas on Apr 14, 2017, 8:53 AM
     
  27. another midweek waste of time View Thread - hoopdedoo on Mar 15, 2017, 3:04 PM
    1. I'm with you bro... I'm with you. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 15, 2017, 5:54 PM
    2. So, I'm not really missing anything whenever I skip EVM services every Thursday. - iamonewithGod on Mar 15, 2017, 11:26 PM
    3. Read the bible to your wife DAILY. READ the WORD and have her watch James White - Eric on Mar 16, 2017, 2:34 AM
    4. make sure the ENTIRE family watches that debate with White if possible!! - Eric on Mar 16, 2017, 2:35 AM
    5. Can relate 100% - The same old thing every time - HiJo on Mar 16, 2017, 3:56 AM
      1. crying maniacs - hoopdedoo on Mar 16, 2017, 4:24 PM
        1. The Bible does not ban public prayer in a worship service. - Tomas on Mar 17, 2017, 7:09 AM
          1. prayers in public - hoopdedoo on Mar 17, 2017, 5:17 PM
            1. I agree, the screaming and wailing is just showy emotionalism, not likely - Tomas on Mar 18, 2017, 7:22 PM
        2. The INC is all superficiality and pride. - HiJo on Mar 17, 2017, 10:04 AM
      2. Re: Can relate 100% - The same old thing every time - John Snow on Mar 17, 2017, 7:14 AM
        1. If they were to deliver food door to door, then food would be accepted not only - Tomas on Mar 18, 2017, 7:28 PM
    6. Cancer - Intaminrollercoasters on Apr 7, 2017, 12:39 AM
      1. Easily said than done... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 7, 2017, 11:59 AM
      2. WTF - hoopdedoo on Apr 7, 2017, 3:45 PM
    7. You are not the only one - inctruth2015 on Apr 7, 2017, 12:36 PM
      1. Children of INC's - practically the only INC converts - HiJo on Apr 10, 2017, 9:43 AM
        1. Well, there are some "handog" members who like to leave the church already. - iamonewithGod on Apr 10, 2017, 12:53 PM
          1. desperation - hoopdedoo on Apr 10, 2017, 4:17 PM
            1. Of course you can sense that. - iamonewithGod on Apr 10, 2017, 11:26 PM
              1. I am new here - Deacon646 on Apr 11, 2017, 10:13 PM
                1. Well, your situation is nothing new. - iamonewithGod on Apr 12, 2017, 1:45 AM
                  1. Re: Well, your situation is nothing new. - Deacon646 on Apr 12, 2017, 2:50 AM
                2. All so true and sure it will soon be my future with my boys - HiJo on Apr 12, 2017, 2:24 AM
                  1. Re: All so true and sure it will soon be my future with my boys - Deacon646 on Apr 12, 2017, 3:02 AM
                3. the hook - hoopdedoo on Apr 12, 2017, 6:05 PM
                  1. No doubt about it - Deacon646 on Apr 12, 2017, 7:54 PM
                    1. family pressure - hoopdedoo on Apr 13, 2017, 7:36 PM
     
  28. 8 DEAD BECAUSE OF THE CHURCH'S RECKLESSNESS View Thread - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 7, 2017, 2:28 PM
    1. nOhhhhh.....goody - underarmour on Mar 7, 2017, 2:43 PM
      1. Wow, it is really INC that did it. They had tickets saying proud to be a member - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 8:18 AM
    2. I already did.. - iamonewithGod on Mar 7, 2017, 10:44 PM
      1. What did they say when you showed them what happened? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Mar 8, 2017, 12:54 PM
        1. So for them, it's still the people's fault? - iamonewithGod on Mar 8, 2017, 9:46 PM
          1. Tell your fellow INC members that there is no verse that praises the proud, all verses - Tomas on Mar 9, 2017, 2:44 AM
    3. I have told many the INC is a criminal organization. Need I say more... - Capt. Seabird on Mar 7, 2017, 11:02 PM
      1. Here is the link to prove it - Capt. Seabird on Mar 7, 2017, 11:04 PM
        1. 9 Month Old Baby among the Dead - Kim Jong Il on Mar 7, 2017, 11:38 PM
          1. Minions be like: "That is the will of God!" - iamonewithGod on Mar 8, 2017, 12:10 AM
            1. It is because the INC advertised that they were proud members of the Church - Tomas on Mar 8, 2017, 8:25 AM
              1. God's collateral damage - Coffeemaker on Mar 28, 2017, 12:38 PM
    4. Can't wait for Inc S next movie about their deeds in Africa - Hijo on Mar 7, 2017, 11:43 PM
      1. The cameras would have been rolling - Hijo on Mar 7, 2017, 11:55 PM
    5. The INC in eagerness for African soul fruits had reap disaster - Sis Lori on Mar 18, 2017, 5:31 PM
      1. Africa - Never about new souls- Same as every"Propogation activity" - HiJo on Mar 20, 2017, 2:19 AM
    6. I don't see any EVM asskissers commenting about this issue, hmmm.. - iamonewithGod on Apr 5, 2017, 12:45 AM
    7. Is it really the Iglesia ni Cristo???? - Wayne on Apr 8, 2017, 3:31 AM
      1. The event organizer - Wayne on Apr 8, 2017, 3:53 AM
      2. Picture is worth a thousand words... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 8, 2017, 4:05 AM
      3. Fabrication? Still in denial? Then why did incmedia apologize for their debacle? - iamonewithGod on Apr 8, 2017, 5:18 PM
        1. That statement was well worded... no where did they apologize. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Apr 8, 2017, 7:21 PM
          1. They did say they had done similar food distribution successfully in South Africa, - Tomas on Apr 9, 2017, 4:59 AM
      4. Fair enough. Anyway, here's an update - Wayne on Apr 12, 2017, 3:37 AM
        1. You really never learn. Don't wait for another disaster to happen because of your showoff. - iamonewithGod on Apr 12, 2017, 9:30 AM
     
  29. Did you wish to PM me? Not sure if Net54 supports that function. View Thread - Capt. Seabird on Feb 11, 2017, 5:31 PM
    1. Wrong thread, whoops. - Capt. Seabird on Feb 11, 2017, 5:31 PM
    2. Re: Did you wish to PM me? Not sure if Net54 supports that function. - Anti-INC on Feb 20, 2017, 3:59 AM
      1. Alright. If you have an AIM account, I could contact you that way. - Capt. Seabird on Feb 27, 2017, 8:14 PM
        1. Re: Alright. If you have an AIM account, I could contact you that way. - Anti-INC on Mar 20, 2017, 1:32 PM
        2. Re: Alright. If you have an AIM account, I could contact you that way. - Anti-INC on Apr 11, 2017, 1:26 PM
     
  30. Now the Christian holy day of Passover is coming up, on Nisan 14th. View Thread - Tomas on Apr 9, 2017, 5:15 AM
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  32. Changes in EVM's Administration View Thread - Sis Lori on Apr 6, 2017, 1:27 PM
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  34. THERE ARE MANY TRUE GOD View Thread - Dennis butic on Apr 3, 2017, 12:41 AM
    1. Good analysis, there are many true gods, Jesus said so himself, in John 10:34-35. - Tomas on Apr 3, 2017, 3:46 AM
     
  35. DEBUNKING JOE VENTILACION REGARDING JOHN 1:1 THE WORD IS DIVINE View Thread - Dennis butic on Apr 2, 2017, 9:29 PM
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