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  1. Iglesia ni Cristo in a nutshell - Doctrines exposed sticky (150 replies) View Thread - Cultic Research on Aug 18, 2005, 9:54 PM
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  3. Fallacies of Manalo Gospel # 4 View Thread - INC Minister EdMars on Jan 20, 2017, 7:22 AM
    1. Excellent expose - Hijo on Jan 20, 2017, 9:00 AM
      1. But some INC's are saved. After all, INC does not deny the gospel, so some INC's - Tomas on Jan 21, 2017, 8:33 AM
        1. Re: But some INC's are saved. After all, INC does not deny the gospel, so some INC's - almario on Jan 21, 2017, 3:26 PM
          1. This does not apply to INC, where the leaders are not blind. - Tomas on Jan 23, 2017, 2:56 AM
            1. Re: This does not apply to INC, where the leaders are not blind. - almario on Jan 23, 2017, 2:25 PM
              1. John 8:24 is a very important verse, we do have to believe Jesus is the Light of the - Tomas on Jan 25, 2017, 1:16 PM
                1. Re: John 8:24 is a very important verse, we do have to believe Jesus is the Light of the - almario on Jan 25, 2017, 4:28 PM
                  1. I searched, found and was converted. So I am saved. So don't worry about my - Tomas on Jan 25, 2017, 4:51 PM
                    1. Re: I searched, found and was converted. So I am saved. So don't worry about my - almario on Jan 25, 2017, 8:36 PM
                      1. Don't worry, I know God. But of course, none of us can know everything - Tomas on Jan 27, 2017, 6:34 AM
                        1. Re: Don't worry, I know God. But of course, none of us can know everything - almario on Jan 27, 2017, 11:44 AM
                          1. Yes, I know God. And he knows me as a member of his church. - Tomas on Jan 28, 2017, 7:58 AM
                            1. Re: Yes, I know God. And he knows me as a member of his church. - almario on Jan 28, 2017, 2:03 PM
                              1. The book of John is not lying when it used the nominative case in My Lord and my God. - Tomas on Feb 1, 2017, 11:33 AM
                                1. Re: The book of John is not lying when it used the nominative case in My Lord and my God. - almario on Feb 17, 2017, 8:33 PM
                                2. The apostle Thomas recognized that God had indeed resurrected Jesus, - Tomas on Feb 18, 2017, 9:26 AM
                                3. Thomas: "OCCAM's RAZOR" principle, which you had previously cited... - nref on Feb 18, 2017, 3:30 PM
                                4. If Thomas were talking to Jesus about Jesus, wouldn't it have been natural - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 2:40 AM
                                5. Tomas, IMHO, it isn't even a Close Shave ! - nref on Feb 20, 2017, 1:09 PM
                                6. So tell me, why was the nominative used? Let's see if you can come up with another - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 3:11 PM
                                7. Nominative or Vocative, were the Bible writers Grammarians? They even made a mistake... - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 10:35 PM
                                8. What they wrote, was inspired by God, therefore protected from errors. - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 5:51 AM
                    2. Tomas is being saved by the grace of Tomas. But what does the Bible say? - Guenter (EX_INC Bible Student) on Jan 31, 2017, 8:51 PM
                      1. Watch out for Almario, he thinks that Trinitarian Christians are not saved. - Tomas on Feb 1, 2017, 11:35 AM
                        1. Re: Watch out for Almario, he thinks that Trinitarian Christians are not saved. - almario on Feb 12, 2017, 4:30 PM
                          1. We need to be divided from false gospels, but not from saved Christians. - Tomas on Feb 13, 2017, 3:34 AM
                            1. Re: We need to be divided from false gospels, but not from saved Christians. - almario on Feb 13, 2017, 12:18 PM
                              1. All baptized with the Holy Spirit are saved, regardless if they are trinitarians, - Tomas on Feb 15, 2017, 12:07 PM
                                1. Re: All baptized with the Holy Spirit are saved, regardless if they are trinitarians, - almario on Feb 15, 2017, 4:16 PM
                                2. When they were baptized with the Holy Spirit for the remission of sins, - Tomas on Feb 17, 2017, 6:36 AM
                                3. Re: When they were baptized with the Holy Spirit for the remission of sins, - almario on Feb 17, 2017, 9:09 PM
                                4. The church is sanctified and cleansed with the washing of water by the word. - Tomas on Feb 18, 2017, 9:31 AM
                                5. Re: The church is sanctified and cleansed with the washing of water by the word. - almario on Feb 23, 2017, 9:34 PM
                                6. The Holy Spirit is a spirit that is holy. Beyond that, we cannot know who he is, - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 5:53 AM
                                7. Re: The Holy Spirit is a spirit that is holy. Beyond that, we cannot know who he is, - almario on Feb 24, 2017, 4:53 PM
                                8. We know some of what the Holy Spirit does, but not much about who he is. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 5:44 AM
                                9. Re: We know some of what the Holy Spirit does, but not much about who he is. - almario on Feb 25, 2017, 7:22 PM
                                10. I am running around the bush and don't answer straightforward? To the contrary, - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 8:07 AM
            2. They may or may not be blind. But they are willful liars, which is worse than being blind. - Guenter on Jan 31, 2017, 12:41 AM
              1. The minister I got to know well, sure was sincere. I got to know he was wrong in some - Tomas on Feb 1, 2017, 11:38 AM
                1. He just fooled you, Tomas. As someone else said, that's easy to do. - Guenter (EX_INC Bible Student) on Feb 1, 2017, 10:06 PM
                  1. Why can't you accept that he sincerely believed what he was taught? - Tomas on Feb 1, 2017, 10:33 PM
                    1. Well, yes, I have talked to two or three "honest" ministers. They admitted to only - Guenter (EX_INC Bible Student) on Feb 2, 2017, 1:00 AM
                    2. Tomas, on Ex Cathedra. - nref on Feb 15, 2017, 8:13 PM
                      1. No human is now in heaven, except Christ. - Tomas on Feb 17, 2017, 6:43 AM
                        1. Re: No human is now in heaven, except Christ. - nref on Feb 17, 2017, 9:13 PM
                          1. But the successor to Peter is not a valid bishop, as he does not have one wife and - Tomas on Feb 18, 2017, 9:40 AM
        2. We cannot declare that EVM is not saved, even if APPARENTLY only. - nref on Feb 8, 2017, 7:45 PM
          1. OK, apparently unsaved. He sure behaves as if he is unsaved. We look at the fruits - Tomas on Feb 10, 2017, 6:39 AM
            1. Thank you for conceding that. Seriously, let's pray for ALL that seem to have strayed. - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 9:42 AM
              1. Yes, let's do. They need our prayers. - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 2:41 PM
    2. Founder of INC was the devil? I wholeheartedly agree with you. - Guenter on Jan 31, 2017, 12:33 AM
      1. The devil founds just false gospels, not confused churches that at least preach the true - Tomas on Feb 1, 2017, 11:50 AM
        1. Tom, but isn't it possible some churches are just founded by MEN - nref on Feb 15, 2017, 8:22 PM
          1. Good churches founded by men are founded without any divine revelation, - Tomas on Feb 17, 2017, 6:47 AM
            1. Re: Good churches founded by men are founded without any divine revelation - nref on Feb 17, 2017, 8:23 AM
              1. A list? There are thousands of good denominations. For example the Catholic - Tomas on Feb 17, 2017, 8:53 AM
                1. The Catholic Church was founded by humans ? - nref on Feb 17, 2017, 4:19 PM
                  1. Yes, probably near the end of the first century, already in the second century - Tomas on Feb 18, 2017, 9:50 AM
                    1. The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus Christ, St Peter its first Pope... - nref on Feb 18, 2017, 5:46 PM
                      1. That's what you believe, but I believe the Bible disagrees with you. - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 2:44 AM
                        1. Part-time bible study cannot compare with that of vast number of lifetime scholars. - nref on Feb 20, 2017, 5:22 PM
                          1. The vast number of lifetime scholars disagree on this issue. Some of the lifetime - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 3:31 PM
                            1. How can Jesus Christ be His own rock while saying Thou art Peter... - nref on Feb 24, 2017, 12:14 AM
                              1. Jesus did not say 'upon my rock I will build my Church'. - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 5:55 AM
                                1. Tomas, in Aramaic which Lord Jesus spoke, Peter is the one addressed. - ref on Feb 25, 2017, 9:22 PM
                                2. So in Aramaic, apostle Peter was called Kepha. And Jesus apparently used - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 8:17 AM
     
  4. He who says that no one knows the true nature of Christ is NOT a Christian. View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 20, 2017, 5:17 PM
    1. So you are not a christian - Hijo on Feb 21, 2017, 12:17 AM
      1. The whole basis of Christianity is that Jesus was/is God - HiJo on Feb 21, 2017, 2:42 AM
        1. Says who? Not the Bible. The Bible does not tell us whether Jesus is God or not. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 3:09 PM
    2. INCquisitor, while Jesus said the Father is the only true God, he did not say he is - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 3:01 PM
      1. Re: INCquisitor, while Jesus said the Father is the only true God, he did not say he is - almario on Feb 22, 2017, 5:05 PM
        1. No, I do not agree with INC on this. They state dogmatically that Jesus is not God, - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 11:51 PM
          1. Re: No, I do not agree with INC on this. They state dogmatically that Jesus is not God, - almario on Feb 23, 2017, 1:52 PM
            1. I feel sure God's infallible words did not reveal whether Jesus is God or not. - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 5:58 AM
      2. Tom, at least you're now conceding that Lord Jesus COULD be God ! - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 12:44 AM
        1. That has been my position soon after I recognized INC is not the only true church, - Tomas on Feb 23, 2017, 1:31 AM
          1. Yes INC is one of the many (Only true churches) - HiJo on Feb 23, 2017, 1:45 AM
            1. As I said, for a few years already I have recognized no church can be the only true church - Tomas on Feb 23, 2017, 2:38 AM
          2. Mid 2014 was when I started reading and posting, on and off. Thus... - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 2:23 AM
            1. OK, great to see you here more frequently. You provide different views on some - Tomas on Feb 23, 2017, 3:27 AM
              1. Prohibitions on What to eat, with Whom to eat or associate... - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 2:17 PM
                1. No need to cite Leviticus when avoiding eating blood. We can cite Acts 15, - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 6:05 AM
                  1. Acts 15 does NOT contradict the words of Chrit in Matt. 15:11 and Mark 7:15. - INCquisitor on Feb 25, 2017, 10:49 PM
                    1. Acts 15 is not some weak appeasement, like Prime Minister Chamberlain tried - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 7:56 AM
            2. In mid-2014, a blog on the Arena that I was reading, led me to this site and this... - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 8:41 PM
      3. Re: INCquisitor, while Jesus said the Father is the only true God, he did not say he is - INCquisitor on Feb 25, 2017, 10:37 PM
        1. Of course all saved Christians believe very much in what Jesus said. - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 8:03 AM
     
  5. Who is going to the lake of fire View Thread - hijo on Feb 1, 2017, 3:42 PM
    1. People who die unsaved will have the opportunity to get saved after Christ comes - Tomas on Feb 1, 2017, 5:52 PM
      1. Getting weirder - HiJo on Feb 2, 2017, 7:12 AM
        1. Are you becoming an Atheist... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 2, 2017, 12:41 PM
          1. twisting scripture is NOT knowing the bible! - Eric on Feb 2, 2017, 3:26 PM
            1. Tell that to Manalo. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 2, 2017, 5:55 PM
          2. INC total scam is enough to turn you off religion - hijo on Feb 3, 2017, 12:34 PM
            1. Let me know what you think of him... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 4, 2017, 3:32 AM
        2. HiJo, there are benefits to being converted before you die. - Tomas on Feb 3, 2017, 7:10 AM
          1. tomas, youre argument sucks. - mzlplck on Feb 3, 2017, 3:50 PM
            1. The Qur'an does not have proof of miracles in it. The Bible does. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 1:05 PM
              1. Eyewitness testimony in a book... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 4, 2017, 1:53 PM
                1. After the completion of the Bible, we get writings from Catholic authors, - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 2:26 PM
                  1. Tomas, don't use a current calendar or a Rolex - they're so non-biblical. - nref on Feb 7, 2017, 3:57 PM
                    1. I am not using a current calendar for religious observances, except for the biblical - Tomas on Feb 8, 2017, 10:43 AM
              2. if youre standard of proof are miracles, i say its pretty low - mzlplck on Feb 7, 2017, 2:38 PM
                1. The miracle of the resurrection of Christ is just massively proven. - Tomas on Feb 8, 2017, 10:47 AM
          2. Power at last - Those bustards will wish they were never born - Hijo on Feb 4, 2017, 2:34 PM
            1. There is no such thing as eternal suffering in the lake of fire. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 2:55 PM
              1. You don't know - Hijo on Feb 4, 2017, 3:26 PM
                1. I go by the whole Bible. And the Bible does not contradict itself. No eternal suffering - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 9:01 AM
                  1. The Bible does not contradict itself???????? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 5, 2017, 11:57 AM
                    1. There are solutions to all these seeming contradictions. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2017, 5:52 AM
                      1. Just ask a minister - Hijo on Feb 7, 2017, 8:57 AM
                        1. Hijo, one book you can buy is Alleged Discrepancies in the Bible, by John Haley. - Tomas on Feb 8, 2017, 11:00 AM
                          1. Re: " NONE OF US IS INFALLIBLE", per Tomas - nref on Feb 8, 2017, 1:59 PM
                            1. I am stating what I see in the Bible. The Bible says not to go beyond what is written - Tomas on Feb 10, 2017, 6:50 AM
                              1. Tom, your verbosity does not answer my question. - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 9:27 AM
                                1. According to the Bible, none of us can be infallible. - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 2:59 PM
                      2. i hear they sell metaphor detecting device in ebay. they call it usb hermeneuticon. - mzlplck on Feb 7, 2017, 2:52 PM
                        1. If something in the Bible is clearly not true if taken literally, then it obviously can't - Tomas on Feb 8, 2017, 11:03 AM
                          1. "the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah" (Jonah 1:17) - literal? - mzlplck on Feb 17, 2017, 2:05 PM
                            1. God can do a miracle, to preserve a prophet inside a great fish, alive, - Tomas on Feb 18, 2017, 8:00 AM
                              1. Let's just believe. Let's not even invoke Archaeology digs in the deep blue sea... - nref on Feb 18, 2017, 7:29 PM
                                1. Digs in the sea would not uncover remnants of prophet Jonah in the remnants - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 1:53 AM
                              2. you know what you just did? its called "proving a negative" - mzlplck on Feb 23, 2017, 1:47 PM
                                1. Thanks! So, that's what it's called - Proving a Negative.. - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 2:26 PM
                                2. Mzlplck, it is well known that Fred Flintstone was created as a fictional character. - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 6:10 AM
              2. Re: There is no such thing as eternal suffering in the lake of fire. - nref on Feb 15, 2017, 9:53 PM
                1. The soul of dead people is dead. So it is not true that the soul can't die. - Tomas on Feb 17, 2017, 6:32 AM
                  1. Re: The soul of dead people is dead. So it is not true that the soul can't die. - nref on Feb 17, 2017, 8:36 AM
                    1. It is in the Bible. Look for example at John 3:16, the righteous will inherit eternal - Tomas on Feb 17, 2017, 8:45 AM
                      1. Well, how do you explain the Bible passage on Lazarus? - nref on Feb 18, 2017, 5:20 AM
                        1. Depends on which Lazarus you mean. If you mean the friend of Jesus, - Tomas on Feb 18, 2017, 8:25 AM
                          1. The Lazarus who was envied by the rich man. 2 Maccabees urges prayers for the dead... - nref on Feb 18, 2017, 6:11 PM
                            1. Prayers for the dead are good, in case someone died unsaved, we can pray - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 2:04 AM
                              1. Thus, you DO believe praying for the dead is not totally useless... - nref on Feb 21, 2017, 2:03 PM
                                1. Yes, such prayers are no way useless. They are good. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 2:52 PM
                          2. Parables, like the Fig Tree are based on real things-Lazarus & rich man didn't exist? - nref on Feb 19, 2017, 3:25 PM
                            1. The fig tree was real. But most parables of Jesus featured imaginary persons. - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 2:14 AM
                              1. Those persons were UNIDENTIFIED but not IMAGINARY, comprendes? - nref on Feb 22, 2017, 7:36 PM
                                1. Look at Aesop's fables, they are parables with animals. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 11:22 PM
                                2. Tomas, a Magna Cum Laude, for a non-native English speaker... - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 1:03 AM
                                3. I came to the US, when I was only 15 years old, so since that time, during - Tomas on Feb 23, 2017, 2:23 AM
                                4. Tomas, from your NKVD-StB secret files.... - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 2:57 PM
                                5. Yes, correct. - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 6:12 AM
                  2. Re: The soul of dead people is dead. So it is not true that the soul can't die. - almario on Feb 19, 2017, 3:32 AM
                  3. Re: The soul of dead people is dead. So it is not true that the soul can't die. - almario on Feb 19, 2017, 3:34 AM
                    1. I believed in soul sleep, or in other words, soul death, even before I started - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 2:27 AM
                      1. Re: I believed in soul sleep, or in other words, soul death, even before I started - almario on Feb 21, 2017, 1:20 PM
                        1. Only the living can praise God, the dead can't, Is. 38:18-19, Ps. 115:17. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 2:58 PM
                          1. Re: Only the living can praise God, the dead can't, Is. 38:18-19, Ps. 115:17. - almario on Feb 22, 2017, 3:05 PM
                            1. You mean that literally they can't praise God, but can praise Him figuratively? - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 3:42 PM
                              1. Re: You mean that literally they can't praise God, but can praise Him figuratively? - almario on Feb 22, 2017, 6:07 PM
                                1. Maybe spiritually the whole world can be said to praise God, but literally only - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 11:27 PM
                                2. Re: Maybe spiritually the whole world can be said to praise God, but literally only - almario on Feb 23, 2017, 3:19 PM
                                3. None of these verses disprove what the Bible says that the dead cannot praise - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 6:15 AM
                                4. Re: None of these verses disprove what the Bible says that the dead cannot praise - almario on Feb 24, 2017, 4:48 PM
                                5. Why do you reject God's infallible words that the dead cannot praise God? - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 5:47 AM
                                6. Re: Why do you reject God's infallible words that the dead cannot praise God? - almario on Feb 25, 2017, 10:49 PM
                                7. Blatant error? The Bible is very explicit that the dead know nothing and cannot - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 7:52 AM
          3. Power at last - Those bustards will wish they were never born - Hijo on Feb 4, 2017, 2:34 PM
            1. See my comments in the post above. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 2:55 PM
      2. Plus I can see it being heaven - HiJo on Feb 2, 2017, 7:19 AM
     
  6. The Gospel Of Christ View Thread - INCquisitor on Nov 13, 2016, 5:18 PM
    1. Please don't misidentify the biblical church. - Tomas on Nov 24, 2016, 1:47 AM
      1. The First Century Church of Christ is the church that Christ built 2000+ years ago. - INCquisitor on Nov 27, 2016, 5:30 PM
        1. Re: The First Century Church of Christ is the church that Christ built 2000+ years ago. - John Snow on Nov 27, 2016, 9:16 PM
          1. Re: The First Century Church of Christ is the church that Christ built 2000+ years ago. - INCquisitor on Nov 27, 2016, 10:38 PM
            1. Re: The First Century Church of Christ is the church that Christ built 2000+ years ago. - John Snow on Nov 28, 2016, 6:24 AM
              1. INCquisitor does not preach the INC. He preaches his own First Century Church of Christ. - Tomas on Nov 28, 2016, 6:45 AM
              2. Re: The First Century Church of Christ is the church that Christ built 2000+ years ago. - INCquisitor on Feb 20, 2017, 3:48 PM
        2. INCquisitor, the Bible preaches apostasy of some. Never total apostasy of the whole - Tomas on Nov 28, 2016, 6:11 AM
          1. Re: INCquisitor, the Bible preaches apostasy of some. Never total apostasy of the whole - John Snow on Nov 28, 2016, 6:25 AM
            1. I have been saying the same, consistently, for a number of years already. - Tomas on Nov 28, 2016, 6:31 AM
          2. The Catholic Church was foretold by apostle Paul in Acts 20:29-30. - INCquisitor on Nov 29, 2016, 2:45 AM
            1. No, Acts 20:29-30 foretold the rise of Docetic false gospels and other false - Tomas on Nov 30, 2016, 9:45 AM
              1. Christians are DISCIPL,ES of Christ (Acts 11:26). - INCquisitor on Nov 30, 2016, 11:55 AM
                1. Yes, millions of Christians are disciples of Christ. - Tomas on Nov 30, 2016, 9:28 PM
                  1. The "second death will not have power over the church that Christ built." - INCquisitor on Feb 25, 2017, 11:29 PM
                    1. The second death has nothing to do with Hades. - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 7:43 AM
      2. Re: Please don't misidentify the biblical church. - almario on Nov 27, 2016, 9:11 PM
        1. So you too think the church died out? And needed to be restored? - Tomas on Nov 28, 2016, 6:29 AM
          1. Re: So you too think the church died out? And needed to be restored? - almario on Nov 28, 2016, 8:06 PM
            1. But here is what you wrote above: - Tomas on Nov 30, 2016, 10:07 AM
              1. Re: But here is what you wrote above: - almario on Dec 1, 2016, 3:19 PM
                1. So since you distinguish between tainted Christianity and true Christianity, - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 6:10 AM
                  1. Re: So since you distinguish between tainted Christianity and true Christianity, - almario on Dec 5, 2016, 2:41 PM
                    1. You are wrong, the biblical church did have pastors and teachers, - Tomas on Dec 7, 2016, 11:12 AM
                      1. Re: You are wrong, the biblical church did have pastors and teachers, - almario on Dec 8, 2016, 6:23 AM
                        1. Did I say monies? I did not say the pastors and teachers have to be paid. - Tomas on Dec 9, 2016, 6:30 AM
          2. The church that Chrst built just became dormant. - INCquisitor on Nov 29, 2016, 3:26 AM
            1. The apostles NEVER taught anyone or had descendants? RIDICULOUS - Eric on Nov 29, 2016, 10:33 AM
              1. This is not what I wrote. Read my post again. - INCquisitor on Nov 29, 2016, 12:04 PM
                1. So you think none of their grandchildren or great-grandchildren believed correctly? - Tomas on Nov 30, 2016, 10:17 AM
                  1. CATHOLICISM teaches the TRUE gospel? REALLY? - Eric on Nov 30, 2016, 12:01 PM
                    1. So do you think the church died? Look at for example 8th century. - Tomas on Nov 30, 2016, 9:41 PM
                      1. Church being the BODY is NOT refer to ORGANIZED religion! - Eric on Dec 1, 2016, 11:27 AM
                        1. The elect are the body. But in the 8th century the only elect were in the Catholic - Tomas on Dec 2, 2016, 6:32 AM
                          1. How u know there were ELECT in the CATHOLIC CHURCH? - Eric on Dec 3, 2016, 3:24 PM
                            1. ANSWER: You do NOT know the ELECT. ONLY GOD knows the IDENTITY - Eric on Dec 3, 2016, 3:25 PM
                            2. Well, it is at least very likely, since it was the largest of the remaining - Tomas on Dec 4, 2016, 5:21 AM
                              1. LIKELY? LIKELY that a FALSE religion has the HOLY SPIRIT? - Eric on Dec 4, 2016, 10:13 AM
                                1. The Catholic church is not a false religion. Sure, they are not infallible, no church can - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 6:01 AM
                  2. You and the Catholic Church teach a FALSE gospel. - INCquisitor on Nov 30, 2016, 12:40 PM
                    1. Explain John 17:5 - Eric on Nov 30, 2016, 8:51 PM
                    2. INCquisitor, John 3:16 applies to the belief that Jesus is God's Son. And - Tomas on Nov 30, 2016, 9:47 PM
                      1. Re: INCquisitor, John 3:16 applies to the belief that Jesus is God's Son. And - INCquisitor on Feb 25, 2017, 11:05 PM
                        1. Of course apostle Paul was in God's church. - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 7:50 AM
                2. I did you said there were NO other churches besides the ones you mentioned - Eric on Nov 30, 2016, 12:01 PM
            2. Re: The church that Chrst built just became dormant. - John Snow on Nov 30, 2016, 7:35 AM
              1. Re: The church that Chrst built just became dormant. - John Snow on Nov 30, 2016, 7:53 AM
                1. The Arians did not apostatize. They continued to teach the true gospel, until - Tomas on Nov 30, 2016, 10:24 AM
                  1. Re: The Arians did not apostatize. They continued to teach the true gospel, until - John Snow on Dec 1, 2016, 5:31 AM
                    1. INC does not teach Arianism. Arianism teaches that Christ was the first creation - Tomas on Dec 2, 2016, 6:40 AM
     
  7. What a nightmare View Thread - Hijo on Feb 25, 2017, 2:45 PM
    1. So what's the situation now with the wife and family? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 25, 2017, 3:57 PM
      1. So unhappy, done my time in hell, all my fault - Hijo on Feb 25, 2017, 4:43 PM
        1. I believe in prayer. My son at 13 had a massive brain tumor operation. He's now 46. - nref on Feb 25, 2017, 6:14 PM
          1. Glad to hear, although it's funny how - Hijo on Feb 26, 2017, 4:41 AM
            1. Jesus healed even blind people, or people with a shriveled arm. - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 7:16 AM
        2. That bad? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 25, 2017, 10:22 PM
          1. Very familiar with Hitchens - Hijo on Feb 26, 2017, 4:35 AM
          2. Very familiar with Hitchens - Hijo on Feb 26, 2017, 4:36 AM
            1. The biggest mass killings in the 20th century were done by people hostile to religion. - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 7:37 AM
     
  8. Almario, since that thread about divisions is locked now, let me answer here. View Thread - Tomas on Jan 23, 2017, 3:14 AM
    1. Re: Almario, since that thread about divisions is locked now, let me answer here. - almario on Jan 23, 2017, 12:20 PM
      1. I have never taught universal salvation. So please stop this defamation. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2017, 1:22 PM
        1. Re: I have never taught universal salvation. So please stop this defamation. - almario on Jan 25, 2017, 4:17 PM
          1. These verses have nothing to do with denominations. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2017, 4:47 PM
            1. Re: These verses have nothing to do with denominations. - almario on Jan 26, 2017, 12:35 AM
              1. I did not mean that people in natural denominations are natural men like in - Tomas on Jan 27, 2017, 6:24 AM
                1. Re: I did not mean that people in natural denominations are natural men like in - almario on Jan 27, 2017, 12:05 PM
                  1. God forbids sins. But God does not forbid denominations. - Tomas on Jan 28, 2017, 7:55 AM
                    1. Re: God forbids sins. But God does not forbid denominations. - almario on Jan 28, 2017, 2:44 PM
                      1. Good verses. But they don't say denominations are sins. - Tomas on Feb 1, 2017, 11:54 AM
                        1. Re: Good verses. But they don't say denominations are sins. - almario on Feb 1, 2017, 1:58 PM
                          1. Denominations that teach the true gospel, also teach the verses you quoted. - Tomas on Feb 1, 2017, 6:52 PM
                            1. Re: Denominations that teach the true gospel, also teach the verses you quoted. - almario on Feb 2, 2017, 3:08 PM
                              1. None of that says that being in a denomination is sinful. - Tomas on Feb 3, 2017, 8:18 AM
                                1. Re: None of that says that being in a denomination is sinful. - almario on Feb 3, 2017, 12:53 PM
                                2. In these comments you are not even mentioning denominations. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 2:34 PM
                                3. Re: In these comments you are not even mentioning denominations. - almario on Feb 4, 2017, 4:19 PM
                                4. So again, no proof that denominations are sinful. - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 8:59 AM
                                5. Re: So again, no proof that denominations are sinful. - almario on Feb 5, 2017, 2:32 PM
                                6. All good denominations acknowledge Jesus said "I am the way". - Tomas on Feb 6, 2017, 5:32 AM
                                7. Re: All good denominations acknowledge Jesus said "I am the way". - almario on Feb 7, 2017, 2:45 AM
                                8. There are saved people in lots of denominations, as well as plenty of unsaved - Tomas on Feb 8, 2017, 11:09 AM
                                9. Re: There are saved people in lots of denominations, as well as plenty of unsaved - almario on Feb 8, 2017, 2:04 PM
                                10. I am not walking on the way and truth? While I am not infallible, I follow Christ, - Tomas on Feb 10, 2017, 6:42 AM
                                11. Re: There are saved people in lots of denominations, as well as plenty of unsaved - almario on Feb 8, 2017, 4:32 PM
                                12. Yes, we have to be humble. But even saved Christians in denominations are humble. - Tomas on Feb 10, 2017, 6:47 AM
                                13. Re: Yes, we have to be humble. But even saved Christians in denominations are humble. - almario on Feb 10, 2017, 2:58 PM
                                14. If I use enticing words, it is to get people saved, or to get them to avoid sinful - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 2:03 PM
                                15. Re: If I use enticing words, it is to get people saved, or to get them to avoid sinful - almario on Feb 12, 2017, 2:15 PM
                                16. Re: If I use enticing words, it is to get people saved, or to get them to avoid sinful - almario on Feb 12, 2017, 9:41 PM
                                17. Saved from eternal destruction. From being burned up in the lake of fire. - Tomas on Feb 13, 2017, 3:32 AM
                                18. Re: Saved from eternal destruction. From being burned up in the lake of fire. - almario on Feb 13, 2017, 12:49 PM
                                19. The verses in no way rebut my words. - Tomas on Feb 15, 2017, 12:03 PM
                                20. Re: The verses in no way rebut my words. - almario on Feb 15, 2017, 3:37 PM
                                21. The repentant thief did not go to paradise the same day he was crucified. - Tomas on Feb 17, 2017, 6:53 AM
                                22. Re: The repentant thief did not go to paradise the same day he was crucified. - almario on Feb 17, 2017, 3:05 PM
                                23. Almario, it is revealed in the Bible, the repentant thief is still dead, so he is not yet - Tomas on Feb 18, 2017, 8:30 AM
                                24. Comas and other Punctuationm Marks were not in the original Bible. - nref on Feb 17, 2017, 4:53 PM
                                25. Re: Comas and other Punctuationm Marks were not in the original Bible. - almario on Feb 17, 2017, 8:24 PM
                                26. Re: Comas and other Punctuationm Marks were not in the original Bible. - almario on Feb 17, 2017, 9:12 PM
                                27. Did the Good Thief go to Heaven THAT day, in your opinion? Thank U. - nref on Feb 17, 2017, 9:25 PM
                                28. Re: Did the Good Thief go to Heaven THAT day, in your opinion? Thank U. - almario on Feb 18, 2017, 3:03 AM
                                29. Tomas, Opinion please: Did the Good Thief go to Heaven THAT day, in your opinion? Thank U. - nref on Feb 18, 2017, 5:02 AM
                                30. No, the good thief is still dead, so he does not know anything, he can't praise God, - Tomas on Feb 18, 2017, 8:43 AM
                                31. Re: No, the good thief is still dead, so he does not know anything, he can't praise God, - almario on Feb 19, 2017, 1:50 PM
                                32. Look at Eccl. 9:5,10, the dead know nothing, similarly in Ps. 146:4. - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 2:35 AM
                                33. Re: Look at Eccl. 9:5,10, the dead know nothing, similarly in Ps. 146:4. - almario on Feb 20, 2017, 5:09 PM
                                34. The story of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable, it is not a real story. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 3:56 PM
                                35. Re: The story of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable, it is not a real story. - almario on Feb 22, 2017, 6:32 PM
                                36. Till an Angel appears from a non-earthly direction, I believe the Good Thief is in Heaven - nref on Feb 22, 2017, 7:20 PM
                                37. Nref, until Christ comes back and we are resurrected, there can be no messages from angels - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 11:37 PM
                                38. Tom, let me do some reading on this. Seems some sect founders claim... - nref on Feb 23, 2017, 12:55 AM
                                39. Of course the Mormon church is famous for this, and there are some others. - Tomas on Feb 23, 2017, 4:13 AM
                                40. Almario, I do know the difference between spiritual death and physical death. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 11:32 PM
                                41. Re: Almario, I do know the difference between spiritual death and physical death. - almario on Feb 24, 2017, 6:02 PM
                                42. My rejection? I accept the whole Bible. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 5:42 AM
     
  9. Fallacies of INC Fundamental Beliefs Lesson No. 6 View Thread - INC Minister EdMars on Feb 15, 2017, 12:05 AM
    1. But are your Catholic bishops valid bishops? After all, they do not have one wife, - Tomas on Feb 15, 2017, 12:13 PM
      1. Tomas, name the bishops you know having 1+ wives - Sis Lori on Feb 16, 2017, 12:06 PM
        1. Sis Lori, we know you are not one of the Bitter Halves ! - nref on Feb 16, 2017, 12:59 PM
        2. The Catholic claims apostle Peter as the first bishop of Rome - Wayne on Feb 17, 2017, 1:57 AM
          1. St Peter had a wife. However the marriage was not on the Rocks ! - nref on Feb 17, 2017, 2:22 AM
        3. Ooops, I replied hurriedly, you meant more than one wives - Wayne on Feb 17, 2017, 2:04 AM
          1. Seems Solomon-like rights were not invoked. - nref on Feb 24, 2017, 12:35 PM
        4. Sis Lori, Anglican and Episcopal bishops usually have one wife. - Tomas on Feb 17, 2017, 6:28 AM
          1. Wives, Inheritance, Succession in religious organizations. - nref on Feb 17, 2017, 9:57 PM
            1. Even priests of eastern rite Catholics are often married, just like priests of - Tomas on Feb 18, 2017, 9:20 AM
     
  10. Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church Of Christ) restores life in another neighborhood church View Thread - Wayne on Feb 17, 2017, 5:33 AM
    1. So you got enough Filipinos there to make it worthwhile - Hijo on Feb 19, 2017, 6:29 AM
      1. Blacks and Whites are seen in photos. - nref on Feb 20, 2017, 8:49 PM
        1. How many black and white guys? - HiJo on Feb 21, 2017, 2:50 AM
          1. Face it... INC is a Filipino Church - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 21, 2017, 12:53 PM
            1. INC just expanded worldwide because of its members abroad. - iamonewithGod on Feb 21, 2017, 9:17 PM
              1. yes-The only reason - HiJo on Feb 22, 2017, 6:33 AM
          2. The custodian couple at South Dakota is White. Am referring ... - nref on Feb 21, 2017, 1:37 PM
    2. Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church Of Christ) restores life in another neighborhood church - almario on Feb 19, 2017, 9:47 PM
      1. Of course the Bible does not ban us from building houses of worship. - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 1:46 AM
        1. Yes build them all like Manalo's House of Worship / Money Collection Building - Hijo on Feb 20, 2017, 3:02 AM
          1. Houses of worship should indeed open up for storm survivors. INC should have - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 2:28 PM
        2. Joy in heaven for one lost sheep - Coffeemaker on Feb 20, 2017, 12:29 PM
          1. Yes, one lost sheep that has been found. Angels are rejoicing. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 2:29 PM
        3. Jesus did not command his disciples to build temples or houses of woeship. - INCquisitor on Feb 20, 2017, 3:09 PM
          1. No command to build churches? - nref on Feb 20, 2017, 5:45 PM
          2. What is you religion...Does it have church buildings? Thank U. - nref on Feb 20, 2017, 5:55 PM
            1. INCquisitor visits this forum only sometimes. He or she belongs to the First Century - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 2:49 PM
              1. So, where do they worship, under the sky? Tents? No services in bad weather? - nref on Feb 24, 2017, 12:40 AM
                1. I don't know about the FCCC, but I know the Amish worship in each other's homes. - Tomas on Feb 24, 2017, 5:48 AM
          3. INCquisitor, of course Jesus did not command it, because of the persecution. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2017, 2:37 PM
     
  11. Our father who art in Forbes Park View Thread - HiJo on Feb 22, 2017, 7:34 AM
    1. Jurado's article is about 18 months old. No proof emerged, as I remember. - nref on Feb 22, 2017, 11:27 AM
      1. The church knows how to twist words... we don't "OWN" the plane... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 22, 2017, 9:53 PM
        1. The Plane does exist. All Minister Zabala said was that the INC doesn't own it. - nref on Feb 22, 2017, 10:17 PM
    2. The Plane hasn't been confirmed either, per last available news. - nref on Feb 22, 2017, 8:21 PM
      1. No lie I remember seeing an article that mentioned the Manalo families - Hijo on Feb 23, 2017, 1:28 AM
        1. Here is the link (manalo family has 2 helicopters) beat coding ha ha - HiJo on Feb 23, 2017, 1:42 AM
          1. Manalos should be carted around in a sh%T cart - HiJo on Feb 24, 2017, 3:16 AM
            1. Certainly, the INC has come a long way since FYM crossed the Pasig in a banca - on credit. - nref on Feb 24, 2017, 4:48 AM
     
  12. No I haven't seen the video yet Tomas... View Thread - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 3, 2017, 1:55 PM
    1. The speaker in the video is a scientist and a Catholic priest. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 1:58 PM
      1. Why explain things that we don't know with God... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 4, 2017, 7:43 PM
        1. So a polytheist could say gods created the universe, but that would make things - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 8:57 AM
          1. How would that make it more complicated... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 5, 2017, 1:05 PM
            1. Because it would be more gods. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2017, 5:38 AM
              1. Exactly... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 6, 2017, 12:38 PM
                1. Apparently, the Doomsday Clock was the topic ... - nref on Feb 7, 2017, 7:15 PM
                  1. Doomsday Clock Erratum - nref on Feb 7, 2017, 7:20 PM
                    1. Ends of the earth again and again and again - Hijo on Feb 8, 2017, 1:28 AM
                      1. An INC friend came just after EVM's mention of the Doomsday Clock. - nref on Feb 8, 2017, 6:50 AM
                        1. The clock does exist - HiJo on Feb 8, 2017, 9:10 AM
                          1. To many - Felix Manalo, EVM and the INC are indeed as credible as ... - nref on Feb 8, 2017, 8:13 PM
                          2. Well, he in fact believed so much, that he said he'd give MORE for the African collection. - nref on Feb 24, 2017, 12:56 AM
                2. Iam1plus1plus1, you try to find it, with facts to back it up? Well, good luck trying - Tomas on Feb 8, 2017, 10:25 AM
                  1. I'm with you on everything you said here... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 8, 2017, 11:15 PM
                    1. God is just another theory - Hijo the ashamed member not 1 with EVM on Feb 10, 2017, 12:19 AM
                      1. God is a theory proven by the Bible. Especially by the fact that Jesus is proven - Tomas on Feb 10, 2017, 6:26 AM
                        1. I'm getting tired of hearing "the Bible proves it"... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 10, 2017, 9:35 PM
                          1. Please don't be so tired of it. The Bible is holy, the word of God. And the apostles - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 1:06 PM
                      2. Certainly, Creflow Dollar's cultish cash suckers is a Flock-Fleecer.. - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 5:15 PM
                        1. Yes, these health and wealth preachers like Creflow Dollar are just greedy people - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 1:10 PM
     
  13. Did you wish to PM me? Not sure if Net54 supports that function. View Thread - Capt. Seabird on Feb 11, 2017, 5:31 PM
    1. Wrong thread, whoops. - Capt. Seabird on Feb 11, 2017, 5:31 PM
    2. Re: Did you wish to PM me? Not sure if Net54 supports that function. - Anti-INC on Feb 20, 2017, 3:59 AM
     
  14. For privacy reasons, I insist you reply to this point before I send a link. View Thread - Capt. Seabird on Feb 12, 2017, 6:27 AM
    1. Did it again. This is for Anti-INC - Capt. Seabird on Feb 12, 2017, 6:28 AM
      1. Re: Did it again. This is for Anti-INC - Anti-INC on Feb 20, 2017, 3:50 AM
     
  15. Here's proof that this religion is the true religion... View Thread - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 19, 2017, 10:21 PM
    1. Of course people were not martyred for testifying about the miracles they have - Tomas on Feb 20, 2017, 1:43 AM
     
  16. The gall of the INC ministers View Thread - hoopdedoo on Feb 17, 2017, 2:47 PM
    1. Record it next time and post the highlights next time... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 17, 2017, 6:22 PM
      1. Could walking out result in a physical confrontation, even if officially, sincerely - nref on Feb 17, 2017, 9:33 PM
     
  17. Door knocking becoming the -Manalo Winesses View Thread - Hijo the ashamed member not 1 with EVM on Feb 10, 2017, 12:52 AM
    1. Compulsory LOS - Kim Jong Il on Feb 10, 2017, 5:45 AM
      1. Every head of the household is required to be an overseer? - Tomas on Feb 10, 2017, 6:22 AM
        1. Ah yes the bible the manual for your life - HiJo on Feb 10, 2017, 9:11 AM
          1. Ha ha haaah ! Heads will roll ! - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 9:36 AM
          2. HiJo, the Bible says to treat slaves well. And if they escape, they are considered freed. - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 2:52 PM
            1. Who outlawed slavery,? it wasn't the bible? - Hijo on Feb 13, 2017, 12:31 AM
              1. The countries outlawed slavery. We need to obey the laws of our country. - Tomas on Feb 13, 2017, 3:27 AM
              2. New Menu on Slavery, Pork, Shrimp, Circumcission - nref on Feb 13, 2017, 7:05 AM
                1. Yes, so then many Seventh Day Adventists are saved. - Tomas on Feb 15, 2017, 12:10 PM
                  1. Re: Yes, so then many Seventh Day Adventists are saved. - nref on Feb 15, 2017, 12:47 PM
                    1. Circumcision is not required for salvation, that was made clear already in Acts 15. - Tomas on Feb 17, 2017, 6:59 AM
      2. I'm not Officer material - HiJo on Feb 10, 2017, 9:03 AM
        1. At least, we Peons know our place. - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 9:38 AM
        2. It shouldn't have read WE, only I, since I cannot speak for others. My apologies. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 2:44 PM
     
  18.   There was no "Pope" until the 4th century View Thread - Wayne on Jan 20, 2017, 3:02 AM
    1. Good research. This is a Catholic innovation, not biblical. - Tomas on Jan 20, 2017, 5:49 AM
      1. Tomas, Did you do a research on "Executive Mister " title ? - nref on Feb 4, 2017, 9:56 PM
        1. Should have read: " Executive Minister ". - nref on Feb 4, 2017, 10:00 PM
          1. The KJV does not have the word 'executive'. I doubt any other version of the Bible - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 8:27 AM
      2. Not biblical in the "Tomas Bible", but in the Holy Bible. That the name "Pope" - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 5, 2017, 3:03 AM
        1. Thank you very much for such an informative answer ! - nref on Feb 5, 2017, 8:22 AM
        2. Guenter, the KJV does not have the word pope, and I doubt any other version - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 8:37 AM
          1. Tomas, even if we grant that the Apostles did "outrank" St Peter's successor .... - nref on Feb 9, 2017, 2:19 AM
            1. So what if the other apostles were far from Rome? The Bible does not designate Rome - Tomas on Feb 10, 2017, 6:34 AM
              1. Back to the topic - why would a surviving Apostle outrank Pope Linus? - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 9:50 AM
                1. Because apostles were given special authority that bishops did not have. - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 9:28 AM
                  1. Thus, the authority to forgive sins ended with the Apostles?. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 10:36 AM
                    1. That's right, no other man got this authority, the Bible does not speak of anyone - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 11:35 AM
                      1. Am afraid I do not agree with that. But, to each, his own opinion.. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 11:44 AM
                        1. 1 Cor. 4:6 tells us not to go beyond what is written. And besides, who else - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 12:00 PM
                          1. Otra vez, Senor Tomas: to each his own.. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 12:16 PM
                            1. Yes, while I don't claim infallibility, that is how I see it in the Bible, so that is what - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 12:29 PM
                              1. Tom, I don't even wish to appear sarcastic but now U just said U are not infallible ! - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 2:14 PM
                                1. Of course, I have been saying for years that none of us can be infallible. - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 2:30 PM
                        2. Tom, I will start a new thread on the Sacrament of Penance or Confession, time permitting. - ref on Feb 14, 2017, 3:36 PM
        3. Unscriptural because the Bible states a prohibition - Wayne on Feb 11, 2017, 2:02 AM
          1. That's right, and the title pope is from Latin papa, which means daddy. - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 9:34 AM
            1. Ah, Tomas, but you "somehow" do know from externals, quite often that a man is unsaved!. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 11:06 AM
              1. Sure, if a man speaks heresy, or is totally unchristian, or lives in sin, - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 11:33 AM
                1. Is the present Pope, in your opinion ... - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 11:55 AM
                  1. He is not a heretic, as far as we can tell. Whether he is living in sin, I don't know, - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 12:06 PM
          2. We cannot call our male parent Father? Tatay here in RP?. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 10:43 AM
            1. As male parent yes, but not as a church title, Christ forbids it. - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 11:37 AM
              1. Please refer to my Comment No. 3, below. Thank U.. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 11:58 AM
                1. How do I find it? Maybe you can post it here? - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 12:08 PM
                  1. I don't know how to copy it. Here's how to find it .. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 12:23 PM
                    1. OK, found it. Copy and paste did not work. Pasting it, I got what seems to be a link - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 12:43 PM
                      1. Re: Tatay - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 2:00 PM
                        1. OK, you are right, my Tagalog dictionary translates 'father' as ama, tatay, tatang, - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 2:24 PM
                          1. Tom, you have quite an array of many dictionaries.. - ref on Feb 14, 2017, 2:07 PM
                      2. Anybody can make that photo through photo editing softwares - Wayne on Feb 15, 2017, 2:04 AM
                        1. Wayne, your posts are the most colorful and technically advanced - nref on Feb 15, 2017, 7:15 AM
          3. Please refer to Coffeemaker's post with sketch, Sept 2, 2015.. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 11:18 AM
    2. And where does " Executive Minister " appear in the Bible? - nrref on Feb 3, 2017, 9:02 PM
      1. Aside from Mi Amigo, saintly and oft-maligned santo Tomas, any other reply ?. - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 8:03 PM
      2. "Executive" is an adjective to the word "Minister" - Wayne on Feb 11, 2017, 2:10 AM
        1. OK then .. " Executive Minister" is NOT in the Bible.. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 4:48 AM
          1. Assuming true, no biblical prohibition nonetheless - Wayne on Feb 15, 2017, 2:14 AM
    3. [Pope] Julius Excluded from Heaven (1514) - Wayne on Feb 11, 2017, 2:15 AM
      1. Thank you for explaining that your above Message Title was a only a piece of SATIRE.. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 4:59 AM
        1. Encyclopedia Americana does claim Julius II was elected due to bribery. - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 11:29 AM
          1. Will try to see Encyclopedia Americana's sources. Thank U, amigo Muj Pritel!. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 12:08 PM
            1. OK, good, můj příteli. (to use the vocative case, as would be appropriate in Czech) - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 12:11 PM
              1. Was my phrase in the Nominative case? Please pardon my CzechkGalog ! - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 12:28 PM
                1. Yes, it was in the nominative case. That is of course the case used in dictionaries. - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 12:46 PM
                  1. Declensions - nref on Feb 13, 2017, 10:34 PM
     
  19. INC Fundamental Beliefs Lesson No. 6 View Thread - INC Minister EdMars on Feb 14, 2017, 11:56 PM
  20.  
  21. Africa prpaganda View Thread - Hijo on Feb 11, 2017, 4:18 PM
    1. Re: Africa prpaganda - John Snow on Feb 12, 2017, 12:01 AM
      1. Could be - Hijo on Feb 12, 2017, 12:06 AM
        1. The Africa scam - hoopdedoo on Feb 13, 2017, 1:58 PM
          1. Exactly, Yes after 100 plus years is there anything at all? - Hijo on Feb 13, 2017, 2:40 PM
            1. There's the Arena, the South Dakota town that's suddenly very valuable real estate - ref on Feb 14, 2017, 2:38 PM
    2. Just wondering what language Ministers use. INC proliferated with Tagalog here .... - nref on Feb 13, 2017, 3:58 PM
    3. That way I see it - iamonewithGod on Feb 13, 2017, 10:08 PM
     
  22. Fallacies of Gospel of Manalo Lesson No. 5 View Thread - INC Minister EdMars on Feb 7, 2017, 1:36 AM
    1. Wow, justifying the Inquisition and claiming the SDA and INC will take over governments. - Tomas on Feb 8, 2017, 12:11 PM
      1. You're Messed Up, Tomas! - Sis Lori on Feb 9, 2017, 4:22 PM
        1. I am against heresy. I am just saying that I see no evidence that SDA or - Tomas on Feb 10, 2017, 5:47 AM
          1. Who can JUDGE that a person's acts of commission or omission can lead to hell ? - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 5:01 PM
            1. Of course a heretic can repent and can die saved. But meanwhile heretics - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 1:30 PM
      2. 7,000 Druggies killed, far greater than the 5,000 victims of 350-year Spanish Inquisition - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 1:04 AM
        1. They should not be killing druggies or non-Catholics. - Tomas on Feb 10, 2017, 6:15 AM
          1. Agreed. But please, BRIEFLY, point by point, answer the two authors' claims ... - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 10:06 AM
            1. OK, briefly, point by point. - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 1:52 PM
              1. Amigo Tomasito, thank you for your answer. Thus Millions were not victimized. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 2:32 PM
                1. Yes, as far as the Spanish Inquisition is concerned. But when one counts all - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 2:39 PM
                  1. And how many Catholics were slaughtered for their Faith ? - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 4:06 PM
                    1. Many thousands, before emperor Constantine legalized Christianity, and then - Tomas on Feb 13, 2017, 3:40 AM
                      1. Re: Martyred Catholics. Thank you Tomas. Will look it up. - nref on Feb 13, 2017, 6:42 AM
     
  23. I knew the possibility of them using PPV services View Thread - Capt. Seabird on Feb 5, 2017, 9:36 PM
    1. Webex - Kim Jong Il on Feb 5, 2017, 11:10 PM
      1. I talked with an officer not long ago. A current one - Capt. Seabird on Feb 6, 2017, 8:01 AM
        1. Teach? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 6, 2017, 12:35 PM
          1. I am a former CWS Teacher and high ranking officer - Capt. Seabird on Feb 8, 2017, 3:14 AM
    2. Spiritual poison - HiJo on Feb 6, 2017, 2:54 AM
      1. True. But at least it was halfway tolerable before - Capt. Seabird on Feb 6, 2017, 7:59 AM
        1. EVM and his "love and care" - hoopdedoo on Feb 6, 2017, 4:03 PM
          1. Visitor - HiJo - Ashamed member on Feb 7, 2017, 7:06 AM
        2. Not sure if its any better than it ever was that I can tell - HiJo on Feb 7, 2017, 4:58 AM
    3. It's just a snoozefest for me. I cannot feel any spiritual nourishment from EVM's BS. - iamonewithGod on Feb 7, 2017, 10:45 PM
      1. Snoozefest is interrupted - Hijo on Feb 8, 2017, 1:24 AM
        1. Ah yes, his right-hand man Matt Pareja, hahaha! - iamonewithGod on Feb 8, 2017, 6:18 AM
          1. This Matt is the same guy - HiJo on Feb 8, 2017, 9:12 AM
            1. Matt Pareja was cleared of having huge dollar amounts on the Airbus, apparently. - nref on Feb 8, 2017, 7:28 PM
    4. Captain Seabird, is there way to private message you? - Anti-INC on Feb 11, 2017, 9:36 AM
      1. Fairly certain Net54 lacks that function, you would need to use email. - Capt. Seabird on Feb 11, 2017, 5:33 PM
     
  24. Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church Of Christ) revives another community church View Thread - Wayne on Feb 11, 2017, 3:46 AM
    1. Yes, the denomination that sold is the United Community Church of Christ.. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 11:33 AM
      1. As before, it will continue serving as a welcome Community Sanctuary.. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 11:40 AM
      2. Nref, what makes you think there is a denomination called the United Community - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 11:55 AM
        1. Tomas, please read Wayne's initial post. It's printed there.. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 12:12 PM
          1. Of course I read it. The article does not say the congregation was part - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 12:58 PM
            1. The article's first paragraph reads .. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 1:30 PM
              1. That was the name of the congregation, not denomination. In fact I googled it, - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 1:54 PM
                1. In any case, the old building is now in good use.. - nref on Feb 11, 2017, 2:18 PM
                  1. Yes, if someone is brought to salvation there, wonderful. - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 2:33 PM
     
  25. Reply to the link below View Thread - Wayne on Jan 17, 2017, 5:01 AM
    1. Re: Reply to the link below - almario on Jan 17, 2017, 2:46 PM
    2. Wayne, even if you take verse 12 to have objective genitive, then you can't - Tomas on Jan 18, 2017, 9:56 AM
      1. Just to highlight - Wayne on Jan 20, 2017, 2:55 AM
        1. OK, but in Gal. 1:1, Jesus Christ clearly was not human at that time. - Tomas on Jan 20, 2017, 5:54 AM
          1. Paul didn't mean to say Christ is not man - Wayne on Jan 24, 2017, 2:45 AM
            1. Both John 17:18 and 20:21 say Christ sent the apostles. So Christ sent Paul, but - Tomas on Jan 25, 2017, 1:09 PM
              1. I'd rather believe Apostle Paul himself that Tomas - vgretz_8 on Feb 1, 2017, 2:48 AM
                1. Paul is right in 1 Tim. 2:5. When Paul wrote this, Christ was human again. - Tomas on Feb 1, 2017, 10:29 AM
                  1. This is new--"sometimes human-sometimes not" - Wayne on Feb 11, 2017, 2:24 AM
                    1. It is not new, it is biblical, so it is already from the first century, as Paul revealed - Tomas on Feb 11, 2017, 12:27 PM
     
  26. Nom, since that thread is locked now, during the millennium we will see Christ. View Thread - Tomas on Jan 23, 2017, 3:03 AM
    1. Nom, old buddy! It's been a year since we crossed swords vs that duo of cussing cousins.. - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 8:29 PM
     
  27. Ja Hoon Ku Iglesia Ni cristo convert and wanted for stealing $200 M View Thread - Hijo on Jan 22, 2017, 6:56 AM
    1. No matter what his religion is, if he spread money to his Ku pals ... - nref on Feb 10, 2017, 5:40 PM
     
  28. INC Fundamental Beliefs Doctrine/Lesson #5 View Thread - INC Minister EdMars on Jan 20, 2017, 11:31 AM
    1. The Catholic church has some bad doctrines, but it did not apostatize. - Tomas on Jan 21, 2017, 8:39 AM
      1. Hey Tomas, which Christ's church do you mean? - Sis Lori on Feb 7, 2017, 4:21 PM
        1. The church of the Bible is all the believers, regardless of denomination, or - Tomas on Feb 8, 2017, 10:36 AM
     
  29. Eric, thanks View Thread - Capt. Seabird on Feb 8, 2017, 4:32 AM
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  31. Webex again... View Thread - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 4, 2017, 7:54 PM
    1. They stopped mentioning "video link" because it's not a video link at all anyway. - iamonewithGod on Feb 5, 2017, 12:11 AM
      1. Put money first in the offering box, before entering the main hall? - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 8:50 AM
        1. It's because it's a webex.. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 5, 2017, 9:14 PM
     
  32. Texas - Getting pretty much unbearable View Thread - Hijo on Feb 4, 2017, 2:52 PM
    1. Yes, most Texan voters voted for that friend of dictator Putin, the fake Christian Donald - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 2:57 PM
      1. Lots of people think he could do a better job than the previous mob - Hijo on Feb 4, 2017, 3:17 PM
        1. Yes, lots of voters thought that the conservative ideas Trump was preaching, were - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 9:08 AM
     
  33. Iam1plus1plus1 The thread where you said " We have different definitions of faith then." View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 4, 2017, 1:34 AM
    1. I believe that you have faith.. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 4, 2017, 3:30 AM
      1. You just go into your basement and you won't find a dragon -- so you were just having a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 5, 2017, 2:52 AM
        1. The Vedas are very polytheistic, so they disagree with the Bible very much. - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 8:42 AM
     
 
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