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  1. Iglesia ni Cristo in a nutshell - Doctrines exposed sticky (152 replies) View Thread - Cultic Research on Aug 18, 2005, 9:54 PM
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  3. Quiboloy follower Felina Salinas likely to face 5 years in jail over cash smuggling View Thread - HiJo on Feb 22, 2018, 5:01 AM
    1. Quiboloy is a false Christ. His followers believe in a false Christ. - Tomas on Feb 23, 2018, 11:33 AM
     
  4. Does the Iglesia Ni Cristo deserve respect? View Thread - TheSharpIdealist on Jan 24, 2018, 5:51 AM
    1. HA! Kind regards... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Jan 24, 2018, 1:47 PM
    2. Who else then are respectable? - Wayne on Feb 6, 2018, 1:36 PM
      1. Hahahaha... Philippines-based church has 'means and motivation' to kill refugee if returne - underarmour on Feb 6, 2018, 2:42 PM
        1. Speculative - Wayne on Feb 6, 2018, 3:31 PM
          1. You really do have blind devotion... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 6, 2018, 3:43 PM
            1. You have to understand - Deacon646 on Feb 6, 2018, 7:39 PM
              1. It's like you're saying you're smarter than any INC member - Wayne on Feb 6, 2018, 9:53 PM
                1. Doesn't take a genius to work out that INC is just a - HiJo on Feb 7, 2018, 1:36 AM
                  1. Other churches do monitary offerings too, why single out INC? - Wayne on Feb 7, 2018, 1:44 AM
                    1. Accounting in the only true church - HiJo on Feb 7, 2018, 1:54 AM
                    2. I grew up in a protestant church. - Deacon646 on Feb 7, 2018, 3:47 AM
                    3. The "paper" accounting can be doctored, these can not - Wayne on Feb 8, 2018, 7:43 AM
                      1. Paper accounting - Deacon646 on Feb 19, 2018, 4:29 PM
                2. Smart has little to do with it - Deacon646 on Feb 7, 2018, 3:35 AM
                  1. Ikuo Hayashi - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 7, 2018, 1:52 PM
                    1. I guess it depends on what is meant by religion. Like is the communist ideology - Tomas on Feb 7, 2018, 4:16 PM
                  2. You said "I tend to question things more" does not mean the - Wayne on Feb 8, 2018, 8:09 AM
                    1. I question the answers they give to the questions. - Deacon646 on Feb 11, 2018, 5:06 AM
      2. He actually ran away when bombarded with legitimate court cases - Wayne on Feb 6, 2018, 2:59 PM
        1. "[The INC's] power and influence extends to an ability to utilize [police] to target the c - underarmour on Feb 7, 2018, 1:43 AM
          1. Menorca was a defendant of court cases not claimant - Wayne on Feb 7, 2018, 1:50 AM
            1. Well, the INC power and influence can extend even to the courts. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2018, 4:19 PM
              1. Again, speculative - Wayne on Feb 8, 2018, 8:10 AM
              2. Haha.. Not according to the Canada Immigration and Refugee Board - underarmour on Feb 9, 2018, 2:59 AM
                1. That's exactly my point. - Tomas on Feb 9, 2018, 8:56 AM
              3. Things like this - Deacon646 on Feb 11, 2018, 4:57 AM
                1. Yes, thankfully Trump did not get his wish, to abolish the Johnson amendment, - Tomas on Feb 12, 2018, 10:00 AM
        2. Yes stay and face the only true churches death squad - HiJo on Feb 7, 2018, 1:45 AM
    3. hearing his testimony and reviewing "a significant amount of corroborative evidence provid - underarmour on Feb 7, 2018, 2:11 AM
      1. Whatever, I want Menorca safe because anything happen to him - Wayne on Feb 7, 2018, 3:15 AM
      2. Whatever, I want Menorca safe because anything happen to him - Wayne on Feb 7, 2018, 3:16 AM
      3. "INC members sought Menorca's death: IRB" - underarmour on Feb 7, 2018, 3:23 AM
        1. Non-sense accusation - Wayne on Feb 7, 2018, 5:17 AM
          1. Haha..It's a Canada Immigration and Refugee Board RULING - underarmour on Feb 7, 2018, 2:09 PM
            1. Misguided ruling, with all due respect. - Wayne on Feb 18, 2018, 6:11 AM
              1. What about the occasional assassinations of critics of INC who were expelled - Tomas on Feb 18, 2018, 7:12 AM
                1. First they made false report of missing ministers - Wayne on Feb 18, 2018, 12:49 PM
                  1. Do you deny that some critics of INC have been assassinated? - Tomas on Feb 19, 2018, 4:13 AM
                    1. Who was assasinated? - Wayne on Feb 19, 2018, 3:41 PM
                      1. I believe he is referring to this person - Deacon646 on Feb 21, 2018, 1:32 AM
                        1. I have to admit - Deacon646 on Feb 21, 2018, 1:37 AM
                        2. The news article is but an insinuation not a proof - Wayne on Feb 22, 2018, 4:21 AM
                          1. Its a news article, its not supposed to be proof - Deacon646 on Feb 22, 2018, 12:06 PM
                  2. Do you also deny that INC is spreading hate towards critics of INC? - Tomas on Feb 19, 2018, 4:15 AM
                    1. Who told you this? - Wayne on Feb 19, 2018, 3:42 PM
                      1. I have been reading about it. All kinds of accusations, about how the mother - Tomas on Feb 21, 2018, 7:21 PM
                        1. One member of my wife's family - Deacon646 on Feb 21, 2018, 9:16 PM
                        2. Re: I have been reading about it. All kinds of accusations, about how the mother - Wayne on Feb 22, 2018, 4:50 AM
                          1. In my experience - Deacon646 on Feb 22, 2018, 12:15 PM
                          2. You can expel people. But the expelled people should be treated with love. - Tomas on Feb 23, 2018, 11:24 AM
              2. Hhhhh....I have to say it...you are an idiot.... - underarmour on Feb 18, 2018, 9:38 AM
                1. "I won't insult your intelligence - Wayne on Feb 18, 2018, 1:04 PM
                  1. Re: "I won't insult your intelligence - Jon Snow on Feb 18, 2018, 5:09 PM
          2. Please back up your claim that it's non-sense accusation.. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 7, 2018, 2:58 PM
    4. Ahh...this is why the INC has no comments.... - underarmour on Feb 18, 2018, 4:24 PM
     
  5. God is useless View Thread - Hijo on Feb 22, 2018, 12:28 AM
    1. Yahweh on the bible - Deacon646 on Feb 22, 2018, 12:30 PM
      1. The Bible is written perfectly. - Tomas on Feb 23, 2018, 11:03 AM
    2. God is good. One day evil will be destroyed. - Tomas on Feb 23, 2018, 11:04 AM
     
  6. acts 2028 doesnt say Church of Christ that should give you a clue View Thread - hijo on Feb 22, 2018, 1:44 PM
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  8. What's going with Ka Jojie Pineda? View Thread - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 12, 2018, 5:30 PM
    1. @Response to Ador Le Leon - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 12, 2018, 10:30 PM
      1. The good old days of INC - Hijo on Feb 13, 2018, 12:12 AM
      2. You do what you got to do... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 13, 2018, 2:09 PM
        1. Well, Christianity as a whole is exclusive. The Bible teaches us that to have - Tomas on Feb 14, 2018, 8:33 PM
        2. Regarding the Loans maturing - Deacon646 on Feb 14, 2018, 8:40 PM
          1. @Response to Deacon646 - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 15, 2018, 1:00 AM
            1. You may be right, I don't know. - Deacon646 on Feb 15, 2018, 2:53 AM
          2. What loan? I guess from anonymous websites as your source and you believe that? - Wayne on Feb 17, 2018, 6:46 AM
            1. You criticize for using or believing a anonymous website - Deacon646 on Feb 17, 2018, 2:22 PM
              1. It is moot to say that my news link is likewise anonymous - Wayne on Feb 18, 2018, 1:32 PM
                1. Re: It is moot to say that my news link is likewise anonymous - Jon Snow on Feb 18, 2018, 5:11 PM
                2. If you call someone out for using anonymous links - Deacon646 on Feb 20, 2018, 2:49 AM
                  1. My link actually is not anonymous - Wayne on Feb 22, 2018, 4:36 AM
                    1. Maybe random is a better word - Deacon646 on Feb 22, 2018, 12:23 PM
     
  9. INC head Eduardo Manalo is Duterte's new envoy for OFW concerns View Thread - HiJo on Feb 14, 2018, 8:34 AM
    1. Separation of church and state my ass!!!! - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 14, 2018, 2:14 PM
      1. A reward for endorsing Duterte in the election I suppose - Deacon646 on Feb 14, 2018, 6:16 PM
        1. Re: A reward for endorsing Duterte in the election I suppose - Jon Snow on Feb 14, 2018, 11:32 PM
    2. Maybe they can eventually be convicted for - Hijo on Feb 15, 2018, 5:17 AM
    3. Comment reprint from - HiJo on Feb 16, 2018, 3:45 AM
    4. Manalo's has a great deal of interest in OFW's - HiJo on Feb 16, 2018, 8:36 AM
    5. Wonder how the Canadian Government feels about this..... - underarmour on Feb 16, 2018, 3:01 PM
      1. Wonder how the Canadian Government feels about this... - Wayne on Feb 17, 2018, 6:19 AM
        1. Re: Wonder how the Canadian Government feels about this... - Jon Snow on Feb 17, 2018, 2:04 PM
      2. Hhhhh....where is the Canadian Envoy? - underarmour on Feb 17, 2018, 6:33 AM
        1. What are the benefits - Kim Jong Il on Feb 20, 2018, 4:55 AM
          1. Doesn't matter where you're from... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 20, 2018, 1:49 PM
          2. Keep the golden goose laying - Hijo on Feb 21, 2018, 12:03 AM
          3. Prestige and legitimacy. - Deacon646 on Feb 21, 2018, 1:34 AM
     
  10. Symbolism in INC View Thread - Jon Snow on Feb 18, 2018, 10:58 PM
    1. Its a "ravenous bird", "bird of prey"...or cuckoo? - underarmour on Feb 19, 2018, 12:32 AM
      1. Re: Its a "ravenous bird", "bird of prey"...or cuckoo? - Jon Snow on Feb 19, 2018, 1:07 AM
     
  11. Check out LJ Caraang's newest recent video "Iglesia Ni Cristo: Is The Church A Cult?" View Thread - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 18, 2018, 6:18 PM
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  13. Guns and ammo and jet planes thanksgiving and worship services and cash View Thread - HiJo on Feb 16, 2018, 3:52 AM
    1. Another candidate for the OFW envoy - HiJo on Feb 16, 2018, 3:54 AM
      1. Mandatory viewing for all INC's - HiJo on Feb 16, 2018, 4:14 AM
        1. Re: Mandatory viewing for all INC's - Jon Snow on Feb 17, 2018, 10:51 PM
          1. In America - Wayne on Feb 18, 2018, 12:15 AM
            1. Yes, in America, and one in England, born in Africa, all similar hucksters - Tomas on Feb 18, 2018, 7:34 AM
            2. Re: In America - Jon Snow on Feb 18, 2018, 5:13 PM
    2. quiboloys mistake - no diplomatic passport - hijo on Feb 16, 2018, 11:48 AM
    3. Now that a Philippine Mega Church is on US Customs and Border Enforcement.. - underarmour on Feb 16, 2018, 2:22 PM
     
  14. I finally got my copy of Edward K. Watson's book critical of the INC. View Thread - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 13, 2018, 9:35 PM
    1. Re: I finally got my copy of Edward K. Watson's book critical of the INC. - Jon Snow on Feb 13, 2018, 11:08 PM
    2. Scan the book and share - ralph_victa on Feb 16, 2018, 12:48 PM
      1. Just get a free 30-day trial of Kindle Unlimited - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 16, 2018, 2:14 PM
    3. I highly recommend this book. - S. Rauffenburg on Feb 16, 2018, 1:19 PM
     
  15. Marriage Beliefs of the INC? View Thread - Dan on Jun 2, 2004, 12:30 AM
    1. INC Marriage - Spiritual Counselor on Jun 2, 2004, 3:41 AM
      1. INC Marriage - Dan on Jun 2, 2004, 5:03 AM
        1. Are you...? - Holy Adviser on Jun 2, 2004, 6:53 AM
      2. 2 Corinthians 6:14 - mc7 on Jun 2, 2004, 9:06 AM
    2. Here's my advice... - meforchrist on Jun 2, 2004, 4:29 AM
      1. Demon no.1 - harhar on Jun 2, 2004, 6:25 AM
    3. What happens next - HiJo on Jun 2, 2004, 5:58 AM
      1. Demon no.2 - harhar on Jun 2, 2004, 6:25 AM
        1. Harhar is the real demon! - Manny on Jun 3, 2004, 12:43 AM
          1. Marriage - Pacquiao on Jun 3, 2004, 1:04 AM
            1. Definition of believer - HiJo on Jun 3, 2004, 5:11 AM
              1. Believer - Yahoo on Jun 3, 2004, 5:38 AM
                1. Did I claim only believers in God shall be saved? - HiJo on Jun 3, 2004, 8:59 AM
                2. Hey Yahoo, your little knowledge is dangerous! - Manny on Jun 3, 2004, 10:12 PM
            2. Pacquiao, answer me, was there preconditions in the demon doctrine? - Manny on Jun 3, 2004, 10:20 PM
              1. Forbidding - Manny Fuckyou on Jun 3, 2004, 11:40 PM
                1. This Iglesia member has a foul language! - Manny on Jun 4, 2004, 4:27 PM
                  1. Catholics... - Money on Jun 4, 2004, 7:06 PM
            3. Mixed Marriages - RustyVine on Feb 15, 2018, 7:51 AM
              1. Re: Mixed Marriages - Jon Snow on Feb 15, 2018, 11:14 PM
    4. Here is an advice from a concerned Christian - Tacio (original) on Jun 4, 2004, 7:22 PM
      1. Unbeliever - Fantacio on Jun 4, 2004, 10:23 PM
        1. I'm not refuting the biblical command not to marry an unbeliever. - Tacio (original) on Jun 6, 2004, 6:55 PM
          1. Compare - Aling Tacia on Jun 7, 2004, 12:56 AM
            1. Wrong! Of course no church will admit she is less bible based - Tacio (original) on Jun 7, 2004, 9:19 PM
              1. There are many false posters here pretending to be INCs. - Tacing on Jun 8, 2004, 3:51 AM
                1. Granting there are false posters Erano Manalo's transcribed tape - Tacio (original) on Jun 8, 2004, 5:08 AM
                  1. Ay! Mahilig ka pala sa tsismis. Ano ka Boy Abunda? - Tacing on Jun 8, 2004, 8:53 AM
                  2. I even clapped my hands .... - Michael Sandoval on Jun 8, 2004, 11:10 AM
                  3. Binabago ang ulat ng mga ministro ni Manalo.... - Santisima Trinidad on Jun 8, 2004, 11:13 AM
     
  16. What say INC now that Menorca granted REFUGEE status in Canada? View Thread - Eric on Feb 9, 2018, 9:23 PM
    1. Re: What say INC now that Menorca granted REFUGEE status in Canada? - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 10, 2018, 9:08 PM
      1. The INC was born out of Christianity, so not out of evil. Out of good. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2018, 10:13 AM
        1. yeah like the spanish inquisition, jonestown etc etc - hijo on Feb 12, 2018, 1:24 PM
          1. Yes, the Spanish inquisition and Jonestown were both born in Christianity, though - Tomas on Feb 14, 2018, 7:43 PM
        2. @Response to Tomas - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 12, 2018, 1:28 PM
          1. Revolution no, dissolution yes - Hijo on Feb 13, 2018, 2:29 AM
            1. You are free to wish anyway - Wayne on Feb 13, 2018, 3:49 AM
              1. Anything taken dishonestly is likely never enjoyed - HiJo on Feb 13, 2018, 4:23 AM
                1. What they say about the Iglesia ni Cristo - Wayne on Feb 13, 2018, 4:52 AM
                  1. Pasugo the source - HiJo on Feb 13, 2018, 9:15 AM
                    1. Re: Pasugo the source - Jon Snow on Feb 13, 2018, 11:12 PM
                      1. Its interesting to talk to some of the members in the Philippines - Deacon646 on Feb 14, 2018, 12:51 AM
                        1. One wonders how the average member outside of the PP - HiJo on Feb 14, 2018, 2:54 AM
                          1. I used to attend, and it was not for ulterior motives, I have never been married, - Tomas on Feb 14, 2018, 8:06 PM
          2. To the SharpIdealist: I realize that FYM might have never become saved. But - Tomas on Feb 14, 2018, 7:52 PM
            1. Re: To the SharpIdealist: I realize that FYM might have never become saved. But - j on Feb 14, 2018, 11:28 PM
     
  17. Dr. James White vs. Bro. Joe Ventilacion View Thread - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Oct 14, 2017, 8:23 PM
    1. The real winner was Jesus indeed. The 2 debaters both lost. - Tomas on Oct 16, 2017, 9:23 AM
      1. Funny - Didn't notice him there at all? - HiJo on Oct 16, 2017, 9:34 AM
        1. Guenter is right, Jesus was the real winner, he, while of course did not talk during - Tomas on Oct 19, 2017, 5:13 AM
      2. How did White lose? Give yur best 5 points to back that up - Eric on Oct 16, 2017, 11:36 AM
        1. White lost by never saying that no verse says Jesus is not God. - Tomas on Oct 19, 2017, 5:29 AM
          1. Yes he also lost because Joe Ventilator was able to show - Hijo on Oct 20, 2017, 3:34 AM
            1. You're funny, love it. Just one lil' advice, give up on Tomas, he prefers to die i - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 2017, 12:30 AM
              1. I prefer to die saved. I hope you do too. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2017, 5:52 AM
                1. You don't believe what the Bible says, you believe in wrong teachers, according to Jesus, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 26, 2017, 12:11 AM
                  1. Sure, I am not infallible, but I am doing my best to be faithful to what the Bible - Tomas on Oct 26, 2017, 7:47 AM
                    1. Not so. You have been believing in false Bible translations and can't let go of it. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 28, 2017, 1:24 AM
                      1. I am not defending the loose translations like Lamsa and Moffat, I prefer more literal - Tomas on Oct 28, 2017, 6:49 PM
                        1. WOW, you admitted for the first time that INC is a cult Good for you. A,cult is not part - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 28, 2017, 10:30 PM
                          1. There are Christian cults, just like there are non-Christian cults like Scientology. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2017, 6:29 AM
                        2. "Surely not saved." You lied in another thread you never said a thing like that. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 28, 2017, 11:20 PM
                          1. Muslims are not saved now. But they can become saved, by the grace of God. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2017, 6:30 AM
          2. Why would any verse say Jesus is not God? Secondly, Dr. White won by more than a 1000 mile - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 2017, 12:21 AM
            1. That is my point, no verse says Jesus is not God, and no verse says Jesus is God. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2017, 5:53 AM
              1. Wrong! Your belief will let you die in your sins. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 26, 2017, 12:05 AM
                1. Well, I disagree. Though if I get severe dementia in my old age, I could forget my faith, - Tomas on Oct 26, 2017, 7:58 AM
                  1. You can disagree as long as,you want, you don't believe in the truth of the teachings of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 28, 2017, 10:39 PM
                    1. I believe in the truth of the teachings of Jesus, even if I don't understand them all. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2017, 6:46 AM
          3. "...that no verse says Jesus is not God." - Wayne on Oct 30, 2017, 1:22 AM
            1. White and Ventilacion are agreed that Mary is not God. Their disagreement is about Jesus. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2017, 6:59 AM
              1. The main point is that Dr. White would look foolish - Wayne on Feb 6, 2018, 3:27 PM
                1. Well, my powerful counterargument would be there is no verse that hints that Mary is God. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2018, 4:36 PM
      3. The real winner was Jesus indeed. His words echoed loudly during the debate - Wayne on Feb 6, 2018, 1:53 PM
        1. If they debate again - Deacon646 on Feb 6, 2018, 7:31 PM
        2. The Father is the only true God, but this true God could include more than just the Father - Tomas on Feb 7, 2018, 4:42 PM
          1. If it says "only" then none else. Even little kids know that. - Wayne on Feb 8, 2018, 7:59 AM
            1. Some Christians say the only true God is a family, which includes the Father and - Tomas on Feb 9, 2018, 7:59 AM
            2. really? Who does the bible say is the CREATOR? SAVIOUR ? First and LAST? - Eric on Feb 9, 2018, 9:21 PM
    2. Dr. James White’s "Trinity" is indeed Unscriptural - Wayne on Feb 9, 2018, 7:17 AM
      1. The scriptures do not say God is not a trinity. Now we know the Father is God. - Tomas on Feb 9, 2018, 8:18 AM
        1. Correction, Now we know the Father is "the only true" God - Wayne on Feb 11, 2018, 12:03 AM
          1. The Father is the only true God, but this true God could include more than just the Father - Tomas on Feb 12, 2018, 10:07 AM
        2. Re: The scriptures do not say God is not a trinity. Now we know the Father is God. - Jon Snow on Feb 13, 2018, 11:14 PM
          1. OK, there are indications in the Bible that the Son might be God, and that - Tomas on Feb 14, 2018, 8:12 PM
     
  18. Thomas Jefferson's Letters View Thread - Wayne on Feb 12, 2018, 1:05 AM
    1. Its amusing that you are quoting Jefferson - Deacon646 on Feb 12, 2018, 3:28 AM
      1. Re: Its amusing that you are quoting Jefferson - Jon Snow on Feb 13, 2018, 11:20 PM
     
  19. Mark Hill's interview with former Iglesia Ni Cristo member LJ Carrang View Thread - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 10, 2018, 4:35 PM
    1. My wife has requested to be on with Mark. look for it soon! - Eric on Feb 10, 2018, 5:18 PM
      1. Re: My wife has requested to be on with Mark. look for it soon! - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 11, 2018, 10:36 PM
        1. coming soon! from Elizabeth NJ to Toronto. Many many stories - Eric on Feb 13, 2018, 1:59 AM
        2. coming soon! from Elizabeth NJ to Toronto. Many many stories - Eric on Feb 13, 2018, 1:59 AM
     
  20. Has anyone read this book.... View Thread - John Snow on Dec 31, 2017, 8:52 PM
    1. We discussed this already.. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Jan 1, 2018, 5:30 PM
      1. Re: We discussed this already.. - John Snow on Jan 2, 2018, 1:46 AM
        1. I found this... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Jan 2, 2018, 1:56 AM
    2. Haven't read the whole thing - Deacon646 on Jan 1, 2018, 9:08 PM
      1. Yes, that has been my experience also, especially with the INC minister who I got to know - Tomas on Jan 4, 2018, 5:31 AM
      2. Many ministers are guilted in becoming that! they are puppets - Eric on Jan 4, 2018, 4:11 PM
    3. @John Snow - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 8, 2018, 5:31 PM
    4. For a person who bites as gospel truth everything he reads derogatory to INC - Wayne on Feb 10, 2018, 7:05 AM
      1. Yes you stick to Pasugo and your Lamsa acts 20:28 - Hijo on Feb 10, 2018, 9:52 AM
        1. Try post some of your poems which are non religious non INC - Wayne on Feb 10, 2018, 11:57 PM
          1. The hatter Manalo or should be hater - hijo on Feb 11, 2018, 8:02 AM
            1. So Manalo was the Mad Hatter? - Deacon646 on Feb 11, 2018, 9:29 PM
     
  21. My message/clarification to Ador De Leon View Thread - TheSharpIdealist on Jan 30, 2018, 12:51 AM
    1. So that was you... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Jan 30, 2018, 2:13 PM
      1. @Ador_De_Leon - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 2, 2018, 4:20 PM
        1. I can see where you're coming from... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 2, 2018, 8:05 PM
        2. I am no fan of the church - Deacon646 on Feb 3, 2018, 2:25 AM
          1. @Deacon646 - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 8, 2018, 4:15 PM
            1. Are Filipinos submissive people by nature? So then why did so many rise against - Tomas on Feb 9, 2018, 8:38 AM
              1. When push comes to shove... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 9, 2018, 2:03 PM
            2. My experience with Filipinos has been vastly different. - Deacon646 on Feb 11, 2018, 4:52 AM
        3. I agree with Deacon646, there are no character traits particular to any ethnic group, - Tomas on Feb 3, 2018, 7:27 PM
     
  22. What say INC now that Menorca granted REFUGEE status in Canada? View Thread - Eric on Feb 9, 2018, 9:23 PM
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  24. What say INC now that Menorca granted REFUGEE status in Canada? View Thread - Eric on Feb 9, 2018, 9:23 PM
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  26. Inc members as godparents View Thread - Horizon on Jul 17, 2014, 3:48 PM
    1. As long as $$$ is involved... - jhenry69 on Jul 17, 2014, 4:06 PM
      1. THANK YOU RE: ANSWER ON "WHY NO INC BIBLE" - PROMDI FORReAST on Jul 18, 2014, 9:20 AM
        1. i don't think the money fees are the real reason - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 18, 2014, 10:20 AM
        2. also, you Promdi wanted to bump this thread on Eduardo Manalo & Jun Santos - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 18, 2014, 10:28 AM
      2. Re: As long as $$$ is involved... - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 18, 2014, 2:55 PM
    2. Re: Inc members as godparents - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 17, 2014, 4:34 PM
      1. we thought The Manalo dudes are expert on The Plan, and The Word is a plan - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 6:15 AM
    3. Ang-Sugo Film not releasing in 27 July 2014. release more likely October 2014 - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 18, 2014, 8:32 AM
      1. has any White INC minister ever been exiled by Manalo family to Mindanao? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 6:08 AM
    4. Here is why Lord Jesus is so Angry at Eduardo Villanueva Manalo - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 18, 2014, 8:48 AM
      1. Jn 2 answers Judie's Very Easy question on when Jesus knew He is God - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 18, 2014, 9:07 AM
      2. Tomas, what do you think of Eduardo Villanueva Manalo's US$10 Million Dollar toy? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 9, 2014, 8:50 PM
        1. I clicked on the web site and got the error message - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 12:31 PM
    5. I lived in the Philippines for 11 moths, so I was there at Christmas. Many INC - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 18, 2014, 4:12 PM
      1. Re: I lived in the Philippines for 11 moths, so I was there at Christmas. Many INC - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 18, 2014, 4:42 PM
        1. INC members seem to have left this forum. They are running away from the truth. Too bad. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 18, 2014, 11:16 PM
          1. Eduardo Manalo might want to take a little peek at this - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 2:10 AM
      2. some Manalo INC ministers have NO self control with Women - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 2:27 AM
      3. OK, many INC members have plenty to repent of, like Christmas - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 10:01 AM
        1. You're missing the point, as most of the time. Here for you one more time so you have - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 5:32 PM
          1. Re: You're missing the point, as most of the time. Here for you one more time so you have - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 6:07 PM
            1. Actually very many evangelical Christians believe similarly - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 6:53 PM
              1. You're arguing just to argue. That's your middle name, by the way. My post didn't refer to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 7:26 PM
                1. I was responding to Ozzy's comment, not yours. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 8:19 PM
              2. ok Colonel Tomas, thank you for your insightful input tidbits - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 7:29 PM
                1. He did not specify a number, after all we don't know over the centuries - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 8:26 PM
                  1. so did that INC minister believe what he is saying by him saying G-d is cruel and mean? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 9:47 PM
                    1. Like evangelicals who send most to hell, he too believed - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 10:53 PM
                      1. Hey Colonel Tomas, you are an okay dude and enjoyable to talk with online - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 20, 2014, 2:15 AM
                        1. Yes, of Filipino ethnicity. He provided another exception - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 11:23 PM
                          1. Colonel Tomas, it looks like you witnessed Filipino Pride from that INC minister - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 5:44 AM
                            1. Sorry, I did not see any pride with him. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 4:50 AM
                              1. well good for you Tom that Filipino Pride does not make you Puke. you stand out, Man - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 5:10 AM
                              2. Forgiveness - jodlas on Aug 11, 2014, 4:33 PM
                                1. If somebody knows he is sinning, and refuses to repent, - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 12:40 PM
              3. Sorry, I misread your post, forget my first comment, except the middle name. That remains - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 7:42 PM
                1. If the leaders want to be rich, that is their sin, but anyway - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 8:35 PM
                  1. I can't believe, we agree on something: INC is NOT the "only true" church! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 8:46 PM
                    1. Right, the INC is only a small part of the true church. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 9:16 PM
                      1. They are heretics like you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 9:43 PM
                        1. It is not biblical to call heretics Christians who disagree with - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 10:39 PM
                          1. That's what you are, believer in gospels that wer not taught by the Apostles. Like Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2014, 6:11 PM
                            1. I say instead that Jesus might have God's nature, we can't know. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 11:27 PM
                              1. :Might" is having no faith. Therefore you will not be saved by faith. The Bible is clear - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 28, 2014, 3:09 PM
                                1. I have faith in all the necessary doctrines, and many others too. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 4:56 AM
                                2. Fine. Don't complain on Judgment Day. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 5:08 AM
                                3. Tomas will be saved. His insistence that The Word was a PLAN is Ludicrous, though - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 5:28 AM
                                4. Tomas is in good company with Kumag, who also says, The word was a plan. Now, if this were - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 5:41 AM
                                5. You are both wrong, I am now pretty sure, that the Word - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 6:20 AM
                                6. In John 10:34,35 Jesus was referring to Psalm 82:6. Were those mentioned there real gods? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 6:54 AM
                                7. If God and Jesus called them gods, then they were gods, - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 9:51 PM
                                8. You are wrong Tom. Christ was Never Created. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 12:04 PM
                                9. Christ might be God too. But he is created. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 1:13 PM
                                10. Tomas will be saved. His insistence that The Word was a PLAN is Ludicrous, though - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 5:28 AM
                                11. I no longer suspect that the Word is a plan. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 1:17 PM
                                12. Of course not, I will be happy on judgement day. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 6:14 AM
                                13. Don't count that you will be among them. Galatians 1:8 - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 6:55 AM
                                14. Gal. 1:8 does not condemn me. It condemns only those - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 9:53 PM
                              2. Tom, here's how you can get to Know Jesus on a personal level - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 28, 2014, 3:22 PM
                                1. The fact the man worshipped Jesus, is no proof Jesus - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 4:59 AM
                                2. why do you talk like a Damn lawyer like Allan Villanueva, asking for proof on tidbits - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 5:07 AM
                                3. You are too influenced by Trinitarian doctrine, - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 6:23 AM
                                4. LOL, Tomas. And your "We are not supposed to know" doesn't cloud anything - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 7:12 AM
                                5. LOL, Tomas. And your "We are not supposed to know" doesn't cloud anything - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 7:12 AM
                                6. I used to attend a Protestant church for several years, - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 7:45 AM
                                7. I only can tell you, the Protestants are right: Trinity is reality. And I also gave you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 5:15 PM
                                8. I am trying to open your mind, but you keep rejecting me. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 9:56 PM
                                9. Tom, you like to use the Manalista favorite words such as "open mind" - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 12:22 PM
                                10. So maybe that Jew thought Jesus is God, that is why - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 10:00 PM
                              3. "My Lord and my God!" Thomas blurted out... - |Judie_84 on Jul 29, 2014, 1:10 AM
                          2. how about "false believers" or "false Christians"? - |Judie_84 on Jul 21, 2014, 2:03 AM
                            1. That again does not apply to disagreements about if - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 11:30 PM
                              1. Is your gospel rather a gospel of "inability" to know Christ's true nature now? lol - |Judie_84 on Jul 31, 2014, 4:42 PM
                                1. My gospel is the biblical gospel, the doctrines necessary - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 5:02 AM
                          3. COLONEL TOMAS, HERE'S THE CONSEQUENCE OF THE MANALO THEOLOGY - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 21, 2014, 4:43 AM
                            1. I am not familiar with that claim. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 11:32 PM
                          4. GOOD ONE, HERR OBERST GUENTER. COLONEL TOMAS, TAKE NOTE OF THIS - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 21, 2014, 4:47 AM
                            1. Herr Guenter, watch this topic on The Law make it as a discussion in Philippine Topix - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 21, 2014, 4:55 AM
            2. I quit after the 15th Lesson or so, so I don't know if they ever are mentioning - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 7:32 PM
              1. ok Sir. Thank you for your response. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 7:54 PM
          2. Guenter, do you think those INC members truly think Christmas - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 6:43 PM
            1. I would speculate if I would have an answer for that. I am only saying, their behavior is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 7:23 PM
              1. Eduardo Manalo also ordained 4-Rambos in his ministry ranks in Central Temple January 2010 - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 7:59 PM
                1. more specifics? - jodlas on Aug 11, 2014, 4:29 PM
                  1. you are COCKY like Emmanuel. Now you are saying you know everything. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 11, 2014, 4:34 PM
                    1. Who's cocky? - jodlas on Aug 11, 2014, 4:45 PM
    6. I don't get it, godparents to a wedding? - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 10:10 AM
      1. Re: I don't get it, godparents to a wedding? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 3:38 PM
        1. Is that supposed to be a Catholic religious function, - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 7:12 PM
          1. Re: Is that supposed to be a Catholic religious function, - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 7:40 PM
            1. I guess then INC doctrine is changing, they want to influence - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 8:41 PM
              1. here is what we think is going on with Eduardo Manalo - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 20, 2014, 2:24 AM
      2. so Tomas you just discovered something many know which is - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 4:06 PM
        1. Many know it? I suppose if you visited Philippines, - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 7:22 PM
          1. just befriend USAF filipino men or USN filipino sailors - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 7:42 PM
            1. It is hard for me to befriend anyone, due to my social phobia. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 8:44 PM
              1. DON'T BE SCARED OF STRANGERS iIN SAFE SITUATIONS - PROMDI FORReAST on Jul 21, 2014, 11:56 AM
                1. I don't believe that beautiful people are more likely - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 11:43 PM
      3. Colonel Tomas, did your evangelical Pastor teach you that the first Miracle of Jesus - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 7:47 PM
        1. I learned it from the Bible. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 8:50 PM
          1. my Pastors don't call it Holy Supper. you missed my inside joke - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 9:31 PM
            1. I agree, it is better to call it using a Bible term, - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 10:42 PM
          2. Re: I learned it from the Bible. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 9:33 PM
            1. I have no idea, I don't speak to the members. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 10:51 PM
              1. okay, thanks for your answer, Sir. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 20, 2014, 2:16 AM
              2. dude, how are you going to survive in Heaven with your Anti-Social mindset? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 21, 2014, 2:20 PM
                1. I am not anti-social, just non-social, too afraid. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 11:51 PM
                  1. Tom, Anti-social is a very common American term and is not as bad as you say - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 5:37 AM
                    1. You are right, I did not grow up in America. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 6:11 AM
                      1. well, thank you for your story. Like what I said, you are Worldly - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 5:47 PM
                        1. Some Filipino preaches that the Jews are losers and are doomed? - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 10:12 PM
      4. Re: I don't get it, godparents to a wedding? - noyolo on Feb 8, 2018, 2:27 PM
      5. Re: I don't get it, godparents to a wedding? - noyolo on Feb 8, 2018, 2:28 PM
        1. I don't see where that is on that website. - Tomas on Feb 9, 2018, 8:45 AM
    7. Hey Wormjacob, this link would be a profound discussion in your iglesianiquitso forum - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 19, 2014, 6:29 PM
      1. Abraham & Bubbles Espejo & INC minister Ariel Gonzales at Police Station - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 20, 2014, 6:15 PM
        1. Tomas, can you ask your Filipino pals why Bubbles Espejo & INC minister Ariel Gonzales are - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 20, 2014, 11:04 PM
          1. CONERING UP - PROMDI FORReAST on Jul 21, 2014, 3:05 AM
            1. okay, thank you Colonel Promdi. who is teaching that, please. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 21, 2014, 4:49 AM
      2. this network54 is really very Popular worldwide - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 21, 2014, 12:26 AM
    8. Hey Emmanuel: you really need to tell Eduardo Manalo to control his INC ministers - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 21, 2014, 2:34 PM
    9. Col Tomas: BIBLE VERSE OF THE WEEK FOR OUR ONLINE BIBLE STUDY. lol - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 22, 2014, 4:44 AM
      1. It is called New Covenant, so it is new, not old, dating - Tomas on Jul 27, 2014, 12:03 AM
        1. Tom, you really are a Catholic who converted to Manalista doctrine - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 1:21 AM
          1. I never even attended a Catholic church. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 6:43 AM
        2. Tom, who taught you that God stopped offering the Faith Covenant after offering Mosaic Cov - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 5:32 AM
          1. Of course John 9 does not mention the Abrahamic covenant. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 6:53 AM
            1. You are wrong Tom. You are confusing the concepts of Prerequisite with Condition Precedent - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 12:16 PM
              1. Well, you are wrong about the Mosaic covenant. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 10:26 PM
                1. Listen to yourself Tom. You said that God dilly-dallies. Wrong Tom. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 9, 2014, 10:39 PM
                  1. My point is precisely that God does not dilly-dally. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 11:22 PM
                    1. Tom, a lot of your propositions in your thread here are Pure Fictions, invented by You - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 9, 2014, 11:54 PM
                      1. Invented by me? I learned most of it from the evangelist - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 12:56 AM
                        1. TOM, HAROLD CAMPING IS A HERETIC. HE PREDICTED SECOND COMING TO OCCUR IN YEAR 2011 - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 1:03 AM
                          1. I know he was so wrong about his predictions of the end. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 1:19 AM
                            1. predicting the Date of The Second Coming is Not mere error. It is Heresy, Tom. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 1:45 AM
                              1. The Bible does say that not predicting the date of second coming - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 1:57 AM
                                1. predicting the date of Second Coming is Heresy, Tom - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 2:12 AM
                                2. So Camping misunderstood the verse as applying only - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 2:25 AM
                                3. the topic of this Thread is Camping equated himself to God, so he is heretical - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 2:32 AM
                                4. That's a new charge. Of course Camping never said - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 2:51 AM
                                5. yes he did. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 3:07 AM
                                6. You heard him saying that? No, you didn't, - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 3:16 AM
                                7. Camping said he and God know when the Second Coming date. that is Heresy - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 3:25 AM
                                8. So he was wrong and sinful, but still nothing to the blasphemy - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 3:35 AM
                                9. he is not merely wrong. he claims knowledge that Jesus says only The Father holds - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:04 AM
                                10. So he says that was true back then and is no longer true. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 4:15 AM
                                11. did camping repent? if so, then he is Saved. You admit faith-only salvation is true - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:24 AM
                                12. He sure repented. Glad to see you also recognize - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 4:31 AM
                                13. even if you don't repent, you are still saved if you are born again - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:38 AM
                                14. So when Peter was preaching to Jews in Acts 2, and so - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 4:48 AM
                                15. Re: So when Peter was preaching to Jews in Acts 2, and so - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 5:02 AM
                                16. Heb. 10:26 warns that if we keep sinning wilfully - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 5:17 AM
                                17. but Tom, we don't sin willfuly when we are given Grace after being born again - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 6:52 AM
                                18. OK, so you believe you no longer have free will - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 7:25 AM
                                19. well like all Manalistas that I have encountered, you don't know the power of Grace - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 7:47 AM
                                20. Well, I just don't see that in the Bible. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 7:50 AM
                                21. well if you don't see it, then you and Eduardo Manalo have something in common - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 8:01 AM
                                22. Well, Catholics and Orthodox don't see it either. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 8:43 AM
                                23. Catholics understand them. Manalistas dont understand them. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 9:46 AM
                                24. After my Father died, I studied Catholic doctrines a lot, - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 11:02 AM
                                25. Tom, studying Catholic doctrines is not the same as growing up with Catholics or studying - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:24 PM
                                26. Of course the Catholic church teaches grace, I teach grace too. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 12:59 PM
      2. Col Tomas, future topic of Online Bible Study: Matt 16:18 Jesus' Church - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 5:08 PM
        1. When the Apostles refer to the church (singular), they ALWAYS call it the Church of God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 29, 2014, 12:23 AM
        2. Yes, INC is one of the churches that misinterpret the prophecyq - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 6:57 AM
          1. So why did EVM proclaim worldwide that INC was established by a Filipino? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 12:27 PM
            1. Wasn't it? As a restoration of the first century - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 11:36 PM
              1. Hey Tom, seriously, Are you USAF Robert F Pellien? seriously you sound like him - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 9, 2014, 11:51 PM
                1. Well, if he did not mean reestablished, - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 12:07 AM
                  1. Tom, I don't need to provide you evidence if Manalo is saved or not - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 12:17 AM
                    1. It would be Freudian slip again if he is not saved. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 12:23 AM
        3. Tomas, here's a Prong that you do not realize about the Faith Covenant offered Jesus - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 4, 2014, 1:36 AM
          1. Tomas, unlike men, Lord God does not dilly-dally and does not zig-zag - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 9, 2014, 10:41 PM
            1. Yes, so God does not zig-zag with salvation programs. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 10:53 PM
              1. well I hope God makes you see the Truth about Mosaic Covenant since you are off-base on it - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 9, 2014, 11:01 PM
              2. Tom, show a Biblical verse that says Grace is a Prong in the Mosaic Covenant - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 9, 2014, 11:10 PM
                1. No verse about the New Covenant says either that it is a prong. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 11:34 PM
                  1. well Tom, you can not find Biblical support that Grace is a prong of Mosaic Covenant - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 9, 2014, 11:49 PM
                    1. Of course those Jews who were trying to be justified - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 12:19 AM
                      1. what are you talking about, Tom. God gave the Jews the rules of the Old Covenant - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 12:37 AM
                        1. The biblical rules were of course not traditions of men. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 1:02 AM
                          1. Tom, Col 2:14 says Jesus nailed the Covenant (Law) to the Cross - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 1:09 AM
                            1. OK, I was wrong, I remembered the verse wrong. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 1:28 AM
                              1. Tom, find the Biblical Verse that says Father gave authority to Jesus to Nail The Law - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 1:51 AM
                                1. Jesus did not do anything without authority. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 1:59 AM
                                2. will is not synonymous with authority. Tom, show Jesus did not do anything with authority - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 2:14 AM
                                3. John 8:28 "...I do nothing on my own, but - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 2:30 AM
                                4. Tom, continue to John 8:29. Take that Tom. Jesus says here He is of The Trinity - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 2:39 AM
                                5. TAKE THAT, KUMAG. JESUS SAID HE IS OF THE TRINITY - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 2:41 AM
                                6. You are just jumping to conclusions. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 2:55 AM
                                7. oh Tom, everyone else reads between the Lines, and you do Not read between the Lines - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 3:10 AM
                                8. Now you even see the word Trinity there. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 3:19 AM
                                9. Do you see the words Felix Manalo in Rev 7:1-3. Come on Tom, you can do better than that. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 3:23 AM
                                10. Of course they are wrong. They think that Felix was - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 3:39 AM
                                11. you made my point. Felix Manalo is not found in the Bible. Trinity is not in the Bible - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:05 AM
                                12. 3 verses say Christ was created. No verse says he was not - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 4:18 AM
                                13. show me The Word is created. you can not show it. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:25 AM
                                14. Rev. 3:14 says in Greek, as it has been translated well - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 4:43 AM
                                15. Firstborn does not mean born. Firstborn means Eternal pre-existence. so there Tommy!! - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 5:03 AM
                                16. How can first-born point to eternal preexistence? - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 5:29 AM
                                17. so you Tom with a B.A. in general linguistic is more knowledgeable than a Greek Scholar - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 6:48 AM
                                18. Just because he is a scholar, does not prove he is not biased. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 7:28 AM
                                19. well he goes into analysis of what firstborn is meant. you just assume firstborn is born - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 7:48 AM
                                20. His analysis is based on another verse, where - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 7:52 AM
                                21. you are wrong, Tom - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 7:58 AM
                                22. You are wrong, Ozzy. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 8:00 AM
                                23. You are a follower of the Ministration of Death/Condemnation - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 8:02 AM
                                24. yes, that passage is also depressing, implying - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 8:48 AM
                                25. then criticize Paul. i did not write those passages, but I believe Paul - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 9:45 AM
                                26. then criticize Paul. i did not write those passages, but I believe Paul - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 9:45 AM
                                27. Why criticize Paul? I believe all the Bible is inspired. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 11:06 AM
                                28. then say that Paul's writing is depressing. That is what you said in this thread, Tom. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:34 PM
                                29. My feeling now is that Paul's writing on this can be misinterpreted. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 1:04 PM
                                30. Tomas, how about Micah 5:2. - Karlos on Aug 10, 2014, 9:51 AM
                                31. well Micah 5:2 supports Scholar Vincent's interpretation that firstborn means eternally - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 9:57 AM
                                32. It is one of the relevant verses. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 11:38 AM
          2. I used to live in Forest Hills, but I did not know about such - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 10:50 PM
            1. Tom, New Online Bible study subtopic: Mosaic Covenant concerns blessings not Salvation - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 9, 2014, 10:59 PM
              1. Nonsense, the Jews need the gospel. Luke 1:33 - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 12:03 AM
                1. you Dilly-Dally Tom. I won't hesitate to say it. Now you say Luke is non-sensical - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 12:15 AM
                  1. Luke is not nonsensical. I have explained you the verse, - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 12:26 AM
                    1. Tom, your interpretation of Luke is Pure Fiction & Intellectually Dishonest - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 12:38 AM
                      1. It is based on the literal words of the verse. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 1:08 AM
                        1. Tom, Jesus preached to The Jews because He is Offering them the Faith Covenant - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 2:05 AM
                          1. But you had earlier told me the Jews are saved, - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 2:45 AM
                            1. The Jews are Saved as God's forever people - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 3:04 AM
                              1. Tom, i'll bet you Eduardo Manalo did not teach you about 2nd Holocaust in Matt 24:15 - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 3:12 AM
                                1. Well, it is not relevant for now, but yes in the last days - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 3:44 AM
                                2. it's closer than you think. look for a peace agreement in Middle East - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:13 AM
                                3. The Bible speaks several times of a thousand generations. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 4:21 AM
                                4. thousand of generations since when? 32 AD? Manalo says Second Coming is around the Corner - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:26 AM
                                5. It does not even matter since when, it depends on the verse. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 4:52 AM
                                6. ok so you disagree with Eduardo Manalo? Ed Manalo says Jesus' return is around the corner - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 6:54 AM
                                7. Of course I disagree with Eduardo. I am not INC. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 7:48 AM
                              2. Come on, Psalm 105:8-15 nowhere says the Jews are saved. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 3:31 AM
                                1. Tom, you are ANTI-SEMITIC and I will say it. I'm glad I do not view the destiny of Jews - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:23 AM
                                2. I am not anti-semitic, I have met plenty of nice Jews - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 5:11 AM
                                3. We Christians are all also saved in the future, so your argument is not strong - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 7:04 AM
                                4. Our final salvation will be when we are resurrected. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 7:33 AM
                                5. Jews are not born again. but you know that. they are under The Law - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 7:49 AM
                                6. They are not born again, not saved, unless - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 7:53 AM
                                7. you are talking about the New Covenant Tom, that does not apply to Jews - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 8:00 AM
                                8. You gave me a website that asserted the Old Covenant - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 8:54 AM
                                9. Tom, you are simplifying the conflicts of decrees between the Old Covenant & New Covenant - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 9:53 AM
                                10. OK, you can believe that. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 11:40 AM
                                11. ok, so Tom, you admit that you believe the New Covenant does preempt the Old Covenant? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:16 PM
                                12. Yes, like Hebrews says, the Old Covenant is obsolete. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 1:10 PM
                2. Tom, you can not comprehend the concept that the Mosaic Covenant is a foreshadow of the - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 12:24 AM
                  1. So why do you even like to argue about it? - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 12:35 AM
                    1. now you Dilly-Dally and now say Old Covenant has no Purpose - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 12:40 AM
                      1. It had its purpose for Israel, but now, no more purpose, - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 1:14 AM
                        1. Tom, Manalo Family teaches submission to The Law - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 1:44 AM
                          1. Did they start preaching tithing? - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 2:08 AM
                            1. Tom, you Intellectual Bastard, there are 615 Rules in The Law - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 2:21 AM
                              1. So plenty of churches go to Old Testament and teach tithing. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 3:13 AM
                                1. Well Tom, a lot of Protestant churches are still Under The Law. I don't dispute that - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 3:22 AM
                                2. Earlier you gave me an interesting passage, Psalm 105:8-15, - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 3:52 AM
                                3. That passage is Not the About the Abrahamic Covenant - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:07 AM
                                4. Re: Earlier you gave me an interesting passage, Psalm 105:8-15, - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:12 AM
                                5. The covenant he made with Abraham, the oath - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 4:28 AM
                                6. they are not the same covenant because the terms are different - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:36 AM
                                7. OK, so it is not easy to figure out in the Bible, - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 5:35 AM
                                8. The Abrahamic Covenant is the faith Covenant that we also have with Jesus - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 6:55 AM
                                9. That's what you keep saying. But you are not providing - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 7:38 AM
                                10. Lord Google is your friend. The Mosaic Covenant & New Covenant are not the same - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 7:58 AM
                                11. Interesting websites. They made it look like the - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 8:41 AM
                                12. you over-interpret & over-criticize, Tom. do keep your imagination in check once in awhile - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 10:01 AM
                                13. OK, but there is still the issue of whether it was - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 11:44 AM
                                14. Do you believe that the Jews are Doomed if they do not Convert to Christianity? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:29 PM
                                15. If they do not convert to Christianity in this life, - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 1:23 PM
    10. Tom: new Online Bible Study topic: who are these sons & daughters in Isa 43:6 ? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 3:06 AM
      1. Israelites. Not INC members. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 3:53 AM
        1. Israelis or Israelites? ok we agree, man - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:03 AM
    11. Tom, I have been answering your questions. Give me the Lowdown on Eduardo Manalo - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 5:08 AM
      1. That is not my congregation, so I know nothing. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 5:37 AM
        1. well, if you don't know, fine. But the question is not limited to you only - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 7:02 AM
    12. Tom, yes or no. Do you believe one has to get good to get God? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:31 PM
      1. More online Bible study topic for Tom: The finished works of Jesus - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 11, 2014, 4:32 PM
        1. Of course Jesus finished his work. But we still have to do - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 1:29 PM
      2. Ozzy, yes, one has to repent to get God. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 1:26 PM
     
  27. Iglesia Ni Cristo Circumvents Parental Authority, a Communist Organization View Thread - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 8, 2018, 6:30 PM
  28.  
  29. Iglesia Ni Cristo is a Business Corporation, not a church. View Thread - TheSharpIdealist on Nov 3, 2017, 12:24 AM
    1. No more INC's here on this forum I think - HiJo on Nov 3, 2017, 1:58 AM
      1. Wayne sometimes shows up here. He has been here just a few days ago. - Tomas on Nov 3, 2017, 5:36 AM
        1. Yes Wayne the last one and he is a will of the wisp - HiJo on Nov 3, 2017, 5:44 AM
    2. Other religious organization which are "corporation sole" - Wayne on Feb 6, 2018, 2:08 PM
    3. It's best answered here - Wayne on Feb 8, 2018, 6:18 AM
     
  30. Any thoughts regarding the Iglesia Ni Cristo similarities to Jehovah's Witnesses? View Thread - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 7, 2018, 6:58 PM
    1. JW is responsible for deaths - Iam1plus1plus1 on Feb 7, 2018, 8:04 PM
      1. @Ador De Leon - TheSharpIdealist on Feb 7, 2018, 8:58 PM
    2. Yes, I agree with Ador de Leon, that in a way Jehovah's Witnesses are responsible for - Tomas on Feb 8, 2018, 1:48 AM
     
  31. To Wayne: Address these points View Thread - Eric on Oct 14, 2017, 12:01 PM
    1. Exodus 33;11 How Moses was "FACE to FACE" with the LORD?? - Eric on Oct 14, 2017, 12:03 PM
      1. How will you reconcile Exodus 33:11 and 33:20? - Wayne on Feb 6, 2018, 2:52 PM
        1. Well, Moses could not see God's face in its glory, or else he would have died. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2018, 4:47 PM
    2. JESUS said " I came DOWN from heaven. SENT by the FATHER - Eric on Oct 14, 2017, 12:06 PM
      1. "To descend front heaven, signifies, symbolically, to act by a commission from heaven." - Wayne on Feb 6, 2018, 3:06 PM
        1. Regardless of some Charles Daubuz, Jesus meant it literally, not symbolically. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2018, 4:51 PM
    3. How does one LIE to the HOLY SPIRIT if SPIRIT is only a force or energy? - Eric on Oct 14, 2017, 12:08 PM
      1. The Holy Spirit is God's power, God's spirit, so even if the Holy Spirit is not a person, - Tomas on Oct 14, 2017, 6:15 PM
        1. WRONG WRONG WRONG . - Eric on Oct 14, 2017, 8:05 PM
          1. You just say WRONG, but you don't mention where you think I am wrong, what - Tomas on Oct 19, 2017, 5:34 AM
            1. Hebrews 1:8 The FATHER refers to the SON as GOD - Eric on Oct 19, 2017, 1:00 PM
              1. That is not an issue concerning the Holy Spirit. Anyway, Heb. 1:8 is better translated - Tomas on Oct 20, 2017, 7:02 AM
    4. How can the FATHER and the SON be called "FIRST and LAST" ?? - Eric on Oct 14, 2017, 12:21 PM
      1. Does being called "first and last" means being "God"? - Wayne on Feb 6, 2018, 2:54 PM
      2. One instance of Jesus as beginning and end - Wayne on Feb 6, 2018, 2:57 PM
     
  32. Wayne - The last INC left on this forum View Thread - hijo on Feb 7, 2018, 6:33 AM
  33.  
  34. Iglesia Ni Cristo Infiltrated the Philippines SEC to destroy Rappler View Thread - TheSharpIdealist on Jan 22, 2018, 1:39 PM
    1. There are many thousands of Christians in the INC, but many are misguided - Tomas on Jan 24, 2018, 5:47 PM
    2. All speculative, libelous. - Wayne on Feb 6, 2018, 2:12 PM
     
  35. GOD's severe rebut to Tomas own doctrines View Thread - almario on Sep 29, 2017, 11:22 PM
    1. I do my best to search the scriptures and follow God's doctrine. I hope you do too. - Tomas on Sep 30, 2017, 11:27 PM
      1. Re: I do my best to search the scriptures and follow God's doctrine. I hope you do too. - almario on Oct 1, 2017, 2:26 AM
        1. If I find I am wrong on anything, then I will denounce my previous belief. I hope - Tomas on Oct 2, 2017, 11:40 AM
          1. Re: If I find I am wrong on anything, then I will denounce my previous belief. I hope - almario on Oct 2, 2017, 5:09 PM
            1. Yes, if you are saved and you endure to the end of your life, then you will rule - Tomas on Oct 4, 2017, 8:28 PM
              1. Re: Yes, if you are saved and you endure to the end of your life, then you will rule - almario on Oct 4, 2017, 10:01 PM
                1. Rev. 20:4 "... and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years". - Tomas on Oct 6, 2017, 7:38 AM
                  1. Re: Rev. 20:4 "... and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years". - almario on Oct 8, 2017, 6:00 AM
                    1. So what do you think is the difference between reigning and ruling? - Tomas on Oct 9, 2017, 8:42 AM
                      1. Re: So what do you think is the difference between reigning and ruling? - almario on Oct 9, 2017, 5:06 PM
                        1. You did not say how you think the two words differ. I see them as synonyms. - Tomas on Oct 11, 2017, 7:04 PM
                          1. Re: You did not say how you think the two words differ. I see them as synonyms. - almario on Oct 16, 2017, 7:26 PM
                            1. It is true that in the Bible elders are called overseers, in Greek episkopoi, also - Tomas on Oct 19, 2017, 5:04 AM
                              1. Re: It is true that in the Bible elders are called overseers, in Greek episkopoi, also - almario on Oct 24, 2017, 7:14 PM
                                1. We will reign during the millennium over those who died unbelievers. - Tomas on Oct 25, 2017, 8:43 PM
                                2. Re: We will reign during the millennium over those who died unbelievers. - almario on Oct 25, 2017, 9:30 PM
                                3. Many have said "I am he". So the fact that Jesus also said "I am he", - Tomas on Oct 25, 2017, 11:15 PM
                                4. Re: Many have said "I am he". So the fact that Jesus also said "I am he", - almario on Oct 27, 2017, 12:52 AM
                                5. Good verses, 1 Cor. 2:14 and 3:19. The non-revelation of whether Jesus is God or not - Tomas on Oct 27, 2017, 6:43 AM
                                6. Re: Good verses, 1 Cor. 2:14 and 3:19. The non-revelation of whether Jesus is God or not - almario on Oct 31, 2017, 6:33 AM
                                7. Re: Good verses, 1 Cor. 2:14 and 3:19. The non-revelation of whether Jesus is God or not - almario on Oct 31, 2017, 7:26 AM
                                8. It is indeed sad when someone thinks their sect has the whole truth. In reality, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2017, 4:31 PM
                                9. Re: It is indeed sad when someone thinks their sect has the whole truth. In reality, - almario on Nov 2, 2017, 4:01 AM
                                10. Most Christians recognize correctly that for example even Jews can now eat pork, - Tomas on Nov 2, 2017, 6:30 AM
                                11. Re: Most Christians recognize correctly that for example even Jews can now eat pork, - almario on Nov 2, 2017, 8:23 AM
                                12. Re: Most Christians recognize correctly that for example even Jews can now eat pork, - almario on Nov 2, 2017, 8:28 AM
                                13. Re: Most Christians recognize correctly that for example even Jews can now eat pork, - almario on Nov 2, 2017, 8:32 AM
                                14. God's words are infallible indeed, but some commandments to Israel are no longer - Tomas on Nov 3, 2017, 7:22 AM
                                15. Re: God's words are infallible indeed, but some commandments to Israel are no longer - almario on Nov 4, 2017, 5:03 AM
                                16. You are not imposing burdens? Like don't eat pork, camels etc. Don't work on the Sabbath, - Tomas on Nov 4, 2017, 8:27 PM
                                17. Re: You are not imposing burdens? Like don't eat pork, camels etc. Don't work on the Sabbath, - almario on Nov 7, 2017, 8:38 AM
                                18. So you are acknowledging then that now Israelites can eat pork, eagles, rabbits, - Tomas on Nov 8, 2017, 6:10 PM
                                19. Re: So you are acknowledging then that now Israelites can eat pork, eagles, rabbits, - almario on Nov 17, 2017, 4:15 AM
                                20. So do you believe it is OK to work on the Sabbath, the Day of Atonement, - Tomas on Nov 17, 2017, 6:00 AM
                                21. Re: So do you believe it is OK to work on the Sabbath, the Day of Atonement, - almario on Nov 17, 2017, 6:28 AM
                                22. That did not answer my questions about your opinions about it. - Tomas on Nov 17, 2017, 9:00 AM
                                23. Re: That did not answer my questions about your opinions about it. - almario on Nov 18, 2017, 7:08 AM
                                24. Spiritual Sabbath? Is everything spiritual for you? - Tomas on Nov 18, 2017, 5:39 PM
                                25. Re: Spiritual Sabbath? Is everything spiritual for you? - almario on Nov 18, 2017, 11:54 PM
                                26. I ask you again, since you believe that the commandment not to work on the Sabbath - Tomas on Nov 20, 2017, 6:15 AM
                                27. Re: I ask you again, since you believe that the commandment not to work on the Sabbath - almario on Nov 20, 2017, 10:19 AM
                                28. You can work on the Sabbath, because you believe the commandment not to work on the - Tomas on Nov 22, 2017, 8:28 PM
                                29. Re: You can work on the Sabbath, because you believe the commandment not to work on the - almario on Nov 27, 2017, 1:22 AM
                                30. So start discerning spiritually that the Law of Moses is not for us, it was only - Tomas on Nov 27, 2017, 7:15 AM
                                31. Re: So start discerning spiritually that the Law of Moses is not for us, it was only - almario on Nov 27, 2017, 8:18 AM
                                32. Re: So start discerning spiritually that the Law of Moses is not for us, it was only - almario on Nov 28, 2017, 7:18 AM
                                33. No, salvation is not that easy, like some Baptists and other Protestants can claim. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2017, 10:17 PM
                                34. Re: No, salvation is not that easy, like some Baptists and other Protestants can claim. - almario on Nov 30, 2017, 2:15 AM
                                35. Of course we should not be carnally minded, but spiritually minded, avoid sins, - Tomas on Nov 30, 2017, 8:28 AM
                                36. Re: Of course we should not be carnally minded, but spiritually minded, avoid sins, - almario on Nov 30, 2017, 9:18 AM
                                37. You are continuing to believe I am misled and not saved, because I disagree - Tomas on Nov 30, 2017, 9:49 AM
                                38. Re: You are continuing to believe I am misled and not saved, because I disagree - almario on Nov 30, 2017, 10:03 AM
                                39. GOD's rebuke - almario on Nov 30, 2017, 10:10 AM
                                40. Yes, ask God for wisdom, ask in faith. Of course that won't make you infallible, - Tomas on Dec 1, 2017, 8:26 AM
                                41. Yes, God rebukes you. - Tomas on Dec 1, 2017, 8:27 AM
                                42. Re: Yes, ask God for wisdom, ask in faith. Of course that won't make you infallible, - almario on Dec 1, 2017, 9:55 AM
                                43. Re: Yes, God rebukes you. - almario on Dec 1, 2017, 10:16 AM
                                44. None of us are infallible. Christ of course is infallible. And so is the Bible. - Tomas on Dec 2, 2017, 11:45 PM
                                45. I love the sacred scriptures. The only problem I see is sometimes you are interpreting - Tomas on Dec 3, 2017, 12:07 AM
                                46. Re: I love the sacred scriptures. The only problem I see is sometimes you are interpreting - almario on Dec 3, 2017, 2:34 AM
                                47. Listen to 2 Tim. 4:3, and endure the sound doctrine, that God is good, - Tomas on Dec 4, 2017, 8:43 AM
                                48. Re: Listen to 2 Tim. 4:3, and endure the sound doctrine, that God is good, - almario on Dec 4, 2017, 10:36 AM
                                49. I don't care much if you think I am unsaved, but I care greatly about what you think about - Tomas on Dec 7, 2017, 1:24 AM
                                50. Re: I don't care much if you think I am unsaved, but I care greatly about what you think about - almario on Dec 7, 2017, 5:13 AM
                                51. Your words to me are futile. And you are avoiding responding to my charge, - Tomas on Dec 7, 2017, 8:29 AM
                                52. Re: Your words to me are futile. And you are avoiding responding to my charge, - almario on Dec 7, 2017, 4:24 PM
                                53. You are absurd condemning me for believing my doctrines, when in reality all Christians - Tomas on Dec 8, 2017, 6:35 AM
                                54. Re: You are absurd condemning me for believing my doctrines, when in reality all Christians - almario on Dec 8, 2017, 8:31 AM
                                55. So big deal, that different Christians have different opinions about whether Jesus` - Tomas on Dec 8, 2017, 9:57 AM
                                56. Re: So big deal, that different Christians have different opinions about whether Jesus` - almario on Dec 8, 2017, 1:31 PM
                                57. Who says the name of the Father and Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ? - Tomas on Dec 9, 2017, 8:59 AM
                                58. Re: Who says the name of the Father and Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ? - almario on Dec 10, 2017, 7:39 AM
                                59. So what do you believe is the name of the Holy Spirit? - Tomas on Dec 11, 2017, 6:04 AM
                                60. Re: So what do you believe is the name of the Holy Spirit? - almario on Dec 11, 2017, 8:13 AM
                                61. You spoke of the name, but you did not reveal what you believe is the name. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2017, 8:21 PM
                                62. Re: You spoke of the name, but you did not reveal what you believe is the name. - almario on Dec 13, 2017, 11:00 PM
                                63. What's the matter with you? You say the sacred words reveal the name, but - Tomas on Dec 15, 2017, 7:21 AM
                                64. Re: What's the matter with you? You say the sacred words reveal the name, but - almario on Dec 15, 2017, 11:05 AM
                                65. You want my reply, when you don't reply? OK, my reply is that the Father's name - Tomas on Dec 16, 2017, 6:19 AM
                                66. Re: You want my reply, when you don't reply? OK, my reply is that the Father's name - almario on Dec 16, 2017, 2:52 PM
                                67. Is. 52:6 does not say that God had not yet given his name in the Old Testament. - Tomas on Dec 16, 2017, 5:32 PM
                                68. Re: Is. 52:6 does not say that God had not yet given his name in the Old Testament. - almario on Dec 17, 2017, 1:56 AM
                                69. One NAME in the offing - almario on Dec 18, 2017, 1:51 AM
                                70. Do you plan to celebrate holidays on the pagan calendar; like Christmas, - Tomas on Dec 18, 2017, 6:14 AM
                                71. Re: Do you plan to celebrate holidays on the pagan calendar; like Christmas, - almario on Dec 18, 2017, 8:27 AM
                                72. Re: One NAME in the offing - almario on Dec 20, 2017, 11:14 PM
                                73. It is not a sin to celebrate the birth of Christ, but it should not be attached to the - Tomas on Dec 21, 2017, 12:08 AM
                                74. If you believe the distinction between the Father and the Son isn't distinction of persons - Tomas on Dec 21, 2017, 12:23 AM
                                75. Re: It is not a sin to celebrate the birth of Christ, but it should not be attached to the - almario on Dec 21, 2017, 2:27 AM
                                76. Re: If you believe the distinction between the Father and the Son isn't distinction of persons - almario on Dec 21, 2017, 2:39 AM
                                77. It is simply a parable about the rich man and Lazarus, you can't take it literally. - Tomas on Dec 21, 2017, 3:34 AM
                                78. Those who identify Jesus as the Father and the Holy Spirit, believe the distinctions - Tomas on Dec 21, 2017, 3:40 AM
                                79. Re: Those who identify Jesus as the Father and the Holy Spirit, believe the distinctions - almario on Dec 21, 2017, 1:28 PM
                                80. Re: It is simply a parable about the rich man and Lazarus, you can't take it literally. - almario on Dec 21, 2017, 3:59 PM
                                81. It was you who wrote that the distinction between the Father and the Son is - Tomas on Dec 22, 2017, 7:29 AM
                                82. One can't take the parable literally, like that Lazarus was one specific person. - Tomas on Dec 22, 2017, 8:01 AM
                                83. Re: It was you who wrote that the distinction between the Father and the Son is - almario on Dec 22, 2017, 3:44 PM
                                84. The Oneness doctrine does teach that Jesus Christ is a real human being. - Tomas on Dec 23, 2017, 4:45 PM
                                85. Re: The Oneness doctrine does teach that Jesus Christ is a real human being. - almario on Dec 24, 2017, 11:50 AM
                                86. Re: The Oneness doctrine does teach that Jesus Christ is a real human being. - almario on Dec 25, 2017, 3:41 AM
                                87. God could not die, see 1 Tim. 1:17, 6:18. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2017, 1:29 PM
                                88. Re: God could not die, see 1 Tim. 1:17, 6:18. - almario on Dec 26, 2017, 3:37 PM
                                89. You provided a number of verses, but none saying God can die. - Tomas on Dec 27, 2017, 7:54 PM
                                90. Re: You provided a number of verses, but none saying God can die. - almario on Dec 28, 2017, 2:33 PM
                                91. 1 John 3:16 does not prove that God laid down his life for us, - Tomas on Dec 29, 2017, 7:46 AM
                                92. Re: 1 John 3:16 does not prove that God laid down his life for us, - almario on Dec 29, 2017, 5:17 PM
                                93. So Wycliffe had the translation wrong too. - Tomas on Dec 30, 2017, 6:08 AM
                                94. Re: So Wycliffe had the translation wrong too. - almario on Dec 30, 2017, 1:30 PM
                                95. Italics in KJV means the word was added by the KJV translators, it was not - Tomas on Dec 30, 2017, 5:53 PM
                                96. Re: Italics in KJV means the word was added by the KJV translators, it was not - almario on Dec 31, 2017, 3:25 AM
                                97. That concerns the New Testament that only the Greek text is inspired. - Tomas on Jan 1, 2018, 9:20 AM
                                98. Re: That concerns the New Testament that only the Greek text is inspired. - almario on Jan 2, 2018, 1:47 AM
                                99. Re: That concerns the New Testament that only the Greek text is inspired. - almario on Jan 2, 2018, 1:49 AM
                                100. Re: One NAME in the offing - almario on Jan 2, 2018, 5:25 AM
                                101. Re: One NAME in the offing - almario on Jan 3, 2018, 2:05 AM
                                102. Re: One NAME in the offing - almario on Jan 4, 2018, 1:15 AM
                                103. Plenty of Protestants are like you, they pray to God for understanding the Bible, - Tomas on Jan 4, 2018, 4:48 AM
                                104. OK, so then you believe there are 3 witnesses, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, - Tomas on Jan 4, 2018, 5:01 AM
                                105. Re: Plenty of Protestants are like you, they pray to God for understanding the Bible, - almario on Jan 4, 2018, 5:35 AM
                                106. Re: OK, so then you believe there are 3 witnesses, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, - almario on Jan 4, 2018, 5:46 AM
                                107. I was explaining what various Christians believe, to correct what you wrote. - Tomas on Jan 5, 2018, 8:34 AM
                                108. You did not even answer whether you have any other differences in doctrine - Tomas on Jan 5, 2018, 8:36 AM
                                109. Re: I was explaining what various Christians believe, to correct what you wrote. - almario on Jan 5, 2018, 10:02 AM
                                110. Re: You did not even answer whether you have any other differences in doctrine - almario on Jan 5, 2018, 10:16 AM
                                111. Re: You did not even answer whether you have any other differences in doctrine - almario on Jan 5, 2018, 10:29 AM
                                112. Well, a heretic is someone who denies at least one doctrine necessary for salvation. - Tomas on Jan 6, 2018, 7:01 AM
                                113. So it looks to me like you believe approx. the same about God as Trinitarian Christians. - Tomas on Jan 6, 2018, 7:13 AM
                                114. Re: Well, a heretic is someone who denies at least one doctrine necessary for salvation. - almario on Jan 7, 2018, 2:06 AM
                                115. Re: So it looks to me like you believe approx. the same about God as Trinitarian Christians. - almario on Jan 7, 2018, 2:15 AM
                                116. Concerning 2 Peter 2:1, since nobody can be infallible anyway, - Tomas on Jan 8, 2018, 6:39 AM
                                117. So then you are basically a Trinitarian. - Tomas on Jan 8, 2018, 6:42 AM
                                118. Re: So then you are basically a Trinitarian. - almario on Jan 8, 2018, 11:51 PM
                                119. Re: Concerning 2 Peter 2:1, since nobody can be infallible anyway, - almario on Jan 9, 2018, 12:16 AM
                                120. What you said above is also what is believed by Trinitarian Christians. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2018, 6:59 PM
                                121. Sure there are damnable heresies like Christian Science and Islam, and many follow - Tomas on Jan 10, 2018, 7:08 PM
                                122. Re: Sure there are damnable heresies like Christian Science and Islam, and many follow - almario on Jan 10, 2018, 11:41 PM
                                123. Re: What you said above is also what is believed by Trinitarian Christians. - almario on Jan 11, 2018, 12:24 AM
                                124. All saved Christians have their own doctrines, by which they are trying to reach - Tomas on Jan 12, 2018, 8:04 AM
                                125. Athanasius did believe in the One and Only God savior manifested in the flesh, - Tomas on Jan 12, 2018, 8:07 AM
                                126. Re: All saved Christians have their own doctrines, by which they are trying to reach - almario on Jan 12, 2018, 9:13 AM
                                127. Re: Athanasius did believe in the One and Only God savior manifested in the flesh, - almario on Jan 12, 2018, 9:16 AM
                                128. One NAME in the offing, meanwhile ..... - almario on Jan 13, 2018, 3:17 AM
                                129. Re: One NAME in the offing, meanwhile ..... - almario on Jan 13, 2018, 7:47 AM
                                130. Re: One NAME in the offing, meanwhile ..... - almario on Jan 13, 2018, 7:48 AM
                                131. Concerning 2 John 1:9, the reference there is to the saving doctrine about Christ. - Tomas on Jan 13, 2018, 9:09 AM
                                132. While I don't have the quotes from Athanasius, the Catholic church agrees with - Tomas on Jan 13, 2018, 9:17 AM
                                133. True Christians often recognize that the Law of Moses was nailed to the cross, - Tomas on Jan 13, 2018, 9:30 AM
                                134. Re: True Christians often recognize that the Law of Moses was nailed to the cross, - alario on Jan 14, 2018, 11:24 PM
                                135. Re: While I don't have the quotes from Athanasius, the Catholic church agrees with - almario on Jan 15, 2018, 1:23 AM
                                136. Re: Concerning 2 John 1:9, the reference there is to the saving doctrine about Christ. - almario on Jan 15, 2018, 1:36 AM
                                137. It is in Col. 2:14, that it says the law was nailed to the cross. - Tomas on Jan 15, 2018, 7:36 AM
                                138. The Catholic church believes Jesus is God, see the Catechism of the Catholic - Tomas on Jan 15, 2018, 7:48 AM
                                139. I believe in God's saving doctrine about Christ. - Tomas on Jan 15, 2018, 7:50 AM
                                140. Re: It is in Col. 2:14, that it says the law was nailed to the cross. - almario on Jan 15, 2018, 1:57 PM
                                141. Re: The Catholic church believes Jesus is God, see the Catechism of the Catholic - almario on Jan 15, 2018, 2:17 PM
                                142. Re: I believe in God's saving doctrine about Christ. - almario on Jan 15, 2018, 2:41 PM
                                143. Cherry-picked verse? We need to consider all the verses that are relevant - Tomas on Jan 17, 2018, 11:42 PM
                                144. None of us can be infallible, you can't be infallible. Look for example at the case - Tomas on Jan 18, 2018, 12:01 AM
                                145. Re: One NAME in the offing, meanwhile ..... - almario on Jan 18, 2018, 12:20 AM
                                146. Re: One NAME in the offing, meanwhile ..... - almario on Jan 18, 2018, 12:26 AM
                                147. Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, as was prophesied he would, - Tomas on Jan 18, 2018, 12:32 AM
                                148. Re: Cherry-picked verse? We need to consider all the verses that are relevant - almario on Jan 18, 2018, 12:37 AM
                                149. Re: None of us can be infallible, you can't be infallible. Look for example at the case - almario on Jan 18, 2018, 12:51 AM
                                150. Don't worry, Trinitarian Christians usually agree with you that the testator, - Tomas on Jan 18, 2018, 1:05 AM
                                151. The One and Only Almighty God Savior dwelt in the flesh of Jesus, so manifested - Tomas on Jan 18, 2018, 1:10 AM
                                152. So don't be haughty and acknowledge that your doctrines are not infallible. - Tomas on Jan 18, 2018, 1:12 AM
                                153. Re: Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, as was prophesied he would, - almario on Jan 18, 2018, 1:33 AM
                                154. Re: So don't be haughty and acknowledge that your doctrines are not infallible. - almario on Jan 18, 2018, 1:37 AM
                                155. Re: So don't be haughty and acknowledge that your doctrines are not infallible. - almario on Jan 18, 2018, 1:43 AM
                                156. Re: Don't worry, Trinitarian Christians usually agree with you that the testator, - almario on Jan 18, 2018, 1:56 AM
                                157. God does not want us to be haughty and think we are infallible. God wants us - Tomas on Jan 19, 2018, 7:30 AM
                                158. Plenty of Trinitarians, Binitarians, Modalists and other Christians have passed - Tomas on Jan 19, 2018, 7:34 AM
                                159. Re: God does not want us to be haughty and think we are infallible. God wants us - almario on Jan 19, 2018, 7:39 AM
                                160. Re: Plenty of Trinitarians, Binitarians, Modalists and other Christians have passed - almario on Jan 19, 2018, 7:52 AM
                                161. Yes, so I hope you can humbly pass the test of Matt. 18:3, be converted, - Tomas on Jan 20, 2018, 8:22 AM
                                162. Yes, plenty of millions of Trinitarian, Binitarian, Oneness and other Christians are - Tomas on Jan 20, 2018, 8:27 AM
                                163. Re: Yes, so I hope you can humbly pass the test of Matt. 18:3, be converted, - almario on Jan 20, 2018, 1:29 PM
                                164. Re: Yes, plenty of millions of Trinitarian, Binitarian, Oneness and other Christians are - almario on Jan 20, 2018, 1:53 PM
                                165. Romans 16:17 is meant to indicate what congregations are supposed to do. - Tomas on Jan 20, 2018, 10:06 PM
                                166. Sure there are heresies that don't know God, for example some say there are many - Tomas on Jan 20, 2018, 10:43 PM
                                167. Re: Romans 16:17 is meant to indicate what congregations are supposed to do. - almario on Jan 21, 2018, 1:46 AM
                                168. ..again with GOD's emphasis, Tomas..... - almario on Jan 21, 2018, 2:00 AM
                                169. Many millions of Trinitarian, Binitarian and other Christians know God, - Tomas on Jan 22, 2018, 8:49 AM
                                170. There needs to be division between saved Christians and non-Christians. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2018, 8:52 AM
                                171. Re: There needs to be division between saved Christians and non-Christians. - almario on Jan 23, 2018, 7:58 AM
                                172. You fail to understand 2 Peter 2:20. Look at the next verse, prophecies came not by - Tomas on Jan 24, 2018, 5:35 PM
                                173. Re: You fail to understand 2 Peter 2:20. Look at the next verse, prophecies came not by - almario38 on Jan 25, 2018, 7:57 AM
                                174. Re: Many millions of Trinitarian, Binitarian and other Christians know God, - almario on Jan 25, 2018, 10:43 AM
                                175. Yes, we can ask God for wisdom, but we can't ask him for additional knowledge, - Tomas on Jan 26, 2018, 5:21 AM
                                176. You now say: There is only one God, the Father, and He is Jesus Christ, the only Lord. - Tomas on Jan 26, 2018, 5:29 AM
                                177. Re: You now say: There is only one God, the Father, and He is Jesus Christ, the only Lord. - almario on Jan 26, 2018, 9:07 AM
                                178. OK, so you now say the Holy Spirit is the Father, and Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit. - Tomas on Jan 27, 2018, 9:52 PM
                                179. I want to add a little correction, the Church of God in Christ Jesus teaches - Tomas on Jan 27, 2018, 10:26 PM
                                180. Re: OK, so you now say the Holy Spirit is the Father, and Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit. - almario38 on Jan 28, 2018, 11:09 PM
                                181. Re: I want to add a little correction, the Church of God in Christ Jesus teaches - almario38 on Jan 29, 2018, 12:03 AM
                                182. The Bible pictures Satan as a look-alike of the Lamb. - Tomas on Jan 29, 2018, 8:47 AM
                                183. Re: The Bible pictures Satan as a look-alike of the Lamb. - almario on Jan 31, 2018, 1:23 AM
                                184. So you say Jesus Christ is God, and Jesus Christ is human, but not at the same time? - Tomas on Jan 31, 2018, 11:33 PM
                                185. Re: So you say Jesus Christ is God, and Jesus Christ is human, but not at the same time? - almario on Feb 1, 2018, 4:56 AM
                                186. Oneness Christians do not believe Jesus is half-God, half-man. - Tomas on Feb 2, 2018, 6:56 AM
                                187. reposted to a natural man - almario on Feb 3, 2018, 12:08 AM
                                188. If Jesus is God, and if he is a man again now, then he is at the same time God and man. - Tomas on Feb 3, 2018, 7:56 PM
    2. You will not transform Tomas into a true Christian. He's been preoccupied for decades by - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Oct 14, 2017, 6:02 PM
      1. Well, almario would not consider you a true Christian, because you believe - Tomas on Oct 14, 2017, 6:10 PM
        1. Here he comes again our little liar Tomas. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Oct 14, 2017, 8:25 PM
          1. Well, go discuss it with almario then, if you don't believe me. - Tomas on Oct 16, 2017, 9:22 AM
            1. You were lying about me. How would almario know? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 2017, 12:36 AM
              1. How was I lying about you? If I wrote something wrong, then tell me, so I can - Tomas on Oct 23, 2017, 5:47 AM
                1. Except for my belief in the truth in the Bible, all other things you said about me are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 26, 2017, 12:22 AM
                  1. OK, I am sorry I assumed you believe God is a Trinity, you believe in giving - Tomas on Oct 26, 2017, 7:44 AM
                    1. We will be saved by the grace of God and not by the grace of almario or your grace. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 28, 2017, 1:16 AM
                    2. We will be saved by the grace of God and not by the grace of almario or your grace. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 28, 2017, 1:16 AM
                    3. We will be saved by the grace of God and not by the grace of almario or your grace. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 28, 2017, 1:17 AM
                      1. I have never said who will be saved. At most I say people like Muslims are not saved, but - Tomas on Oct 28, 2017, 7:06 PM
                        1. You're still name certain requirements in who God will be saving or not. You're lecturing - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 28, 2017, 10:18 PM
                          1. The Bible names certain requirements for salvation. So I am just parroting the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2017, 7:09 AM
                            1. It's ONLY God's grace that will save. You can't have any idea who will be saved, But you - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Dec 5, 2017, 3:28 AM
                              1. No, I did not say Muslims will not be saved. All I am saying is that based on the Bible, - Tomas on Dec 7, 2017, 1:33 AM
          2. You are also free to read all my previous discussions with almario on this forum. - Tomas on Oct 19, 2017, 5:31 AM
     
  36. Canada's Federal Media CBC confirmed that the Iglesia Ni Cristo are a Criminal Syndicate View Thread - TheSharpIdealist on Jan 26, 2018, 1:55 PM
    1. Thanks! This is what I wanted to see... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Jan 26, 2018, 2:49 PM
      1. Re: Thanks! This is what I wanted to see... - TheSharpIdealist on Jan 26, 2018, 3:28 PM
        1. Don't think this will have much of an impact on the INC - Deacon646 on Jan 26, 2018, 6:23 PM
          1. It's definitely slowing down... - Iam1plus1plus1 on Jan 26, 2018, 8:03 PM
            1. love to see the smug smile wiped off Romel's face - Eric on Jan 27, 2018, 12:06 PM
          2. No difference I reckon - Hijo on Jan 27, 2018, 2:35 PM
    2. Direct CBC Video Link - underarmour on Jan 27, 2018, 2:04 AM
      1. This is AWESOME! I am speechless!! INC KILLS! WOW!!!!!! - Eric on Jan 27, 2018, 12:09 PM
    3. More media picking up the story.... - underarmour on Feb 3, 2018, 1:24 AM
     
  37. The Thief calls other thieves..lol! View Thread - hoopdedoo on Jan 29, 2018, 4:05 PM
    1. Doing defensive lessons again? - Iam1plus1plus1 on Jan 29, 2018, 4:52 PM
    2. Reading between the lines - Deacon646 on Jan 30, 2018, 12:26 PM
      1. I wouldn't say they formed their own church.. - Iam1plus1plus1 on Jan 30, 2018, 2:02 PM
        1. If they haven't yet - Deacon646 on Jan 30, 2018, 10:27 PM
          1. Yes, one interesting example is the True Faith Jehovah's Witnesses. - Tomas on Feb 1, 2018, 12:00 AM
     
 
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