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  1. God is not the son of man. Jesus is the son of man and He is not God. View Thread - emmanuel on Apr 21, 2015, 8:04 AM
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  3. INCMedia promotes a writing competition about FYM - what for? View Thread - ASP on Apr 20, 2015, 9:36 PM
    1. Writing competition? I thought theres already sanizited script for his movie? - Mzlplck on Apr 21, 2015, 5:55 AM
     
  4. EVM has left the USA and is now in South Korea. View Thread - Walter on Apr 19, 2015, 6:57 PM
    1. Re: EVM has left the USA and is now in South Korea. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 20, 2015, 2:36 AM
      1. someone tell that iglesia ni cristo troll pest Judie to SCRAM from this forum - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 20, 2015, 2:42 AM
        1. INC minister Ferdinand Febre sneaking into Vandenberg USAF Base without permission - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 20, 2015, 12:44 PM
          1. Re: INC minister Ferdinand Febre sneaking into Vandenberg USAF Base without permission - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 20, 2015, 2:33 PM
            1. INC Administration admits that USAF Pellien & INC Rene Norona did Human Rights violations - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 20, 2015, 2:39 PM
    2. any chance EVM will wait to meet JaHoonKu in South Korea? - ASP on Apr 20, 2015, 4:38 PM
     
  5. repetitive lessons driving me crazy. View Thread - hoopdedoo on Apr 9, 2015, 11:35 AM
    1. Thats what you get when some idiots try to hostage salvation and earn from it as well - Mzlplck on Apr 9, 2015, 12:21 PM
    2. This midweek lesson seemed more angry than usual. - Walter on Apr 9, 2015, 4:37 PM
      1. So i reckon it wasnt a typo. The minister is actually "preying" :D LOL! - Mzlplck on Apr 9, 2015, 7:14 PM
        1. Your are correct, I misspelled it on purpose, don't we all feel like we are preyed upon - Walter on Apr 9, 2015, 8:34 PM
          1. snide remarks by ministers - hoopdedoo on Apr 9, 2015, 8:38 PM
            1. Be very careful fellow Col. when you start bringing this topic up with your wife. - Walter on Apr 9, 2015, 9:13 PM
              1. couldnt have said it any better Walter. Nice! - mzlplck on Apr 9, 2015, 9:44 PM
                1. The unfortunate fact is, for the sake of our marriage and our families - Walter on Apr 10, 2015, 12:09 AM
              2. A supplemental addendum to the well-described Eddieboy Manalo Methodologies - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 9, 2015, 11:55 PM
              3. God must always be the first priority. - emmanuel on Apr 11, 2015, 2:23 AM
                1. Thank you Emman for confirming my posting that attacks on families is condoned. - Walter on Apr 11, 2015, 6:08 PM
                  1. Emmans right. Loyalty to admin supersedes everything, including families. Thats how mine.. - Mzlplck on Apr 12, 2015, 5:10 AM
            2. Speaking of snide remarks-has anyone been asked about the church by a Filipino Catholic - Walter on Apr 10, 2015, 12:17 AM
              1. Here's a Secret known by Christian Americans but not known by Eddieboy Villanueva Manalo - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 10, 2015, 2:15 AM
                1. Traditionally, the INC manalo church locales were started in America near US Navy Bases - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 10, 2015, 2:28 AM
                  1. Col. Ozzy, isn't it true that Bro. Erano Manalo did not actually bring the INC to the USA? - Walter on Apr 10, 2015, 5:17 AM
                    1. Col Walter, you are correct in everything you said. Erdy knew US$ worth more than PH Pesos - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 10, 2015, 5:34 AM
                      1. Col ASP, Erdy Manalo laid his hand on Jeff Rosquites and STF Chief Rex Rosquites and your - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 10, 2015, 5:43 AM
                    2. You preferred to worship graven images than to accept the truth of the prophecy. - emmanuel on Apr 11, 2015, 2:25 AM
                      1. the prophecy in Revelation 22:18 that there would be people who would add words to the - |Judie_84 on Apr 11, 2015, 3:15 AM
                        1. How many words in Revelation 7:2-3 were added by felix to prove his claim that he was the - |Judie_84 on Apr 11, 2015, 4:07 AM
                          1. How many words were added to the Book of Revelation to prove that felix is indeed - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 4:22 AM
                      2. YOU REALLY CANT GET BY W/O CATHOLICS, CAN YOU? - Mzlplck on Apr 12, 2015, 5:17 AM
                      3. You're just repeating lie after lie. Have you ever read the documents of the Second - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 19, 2015, 5:11 AM
                        1. That council restored the making of and bowing down to images of Catholic Saints - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 6:22 AM
                          1. Still contrary to Romans 1:23 - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 6:32 AM
                            1. Still contrary to God's edict... Doing things prohibited by God is not a holy thing. - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 6:37 AM
      2. evm - hoopdedoo on Apr 9, 2015, 8:41 PM
        1. Eddieboy Manalo is trying to re-invent himself. okay dokey - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 9, 2015, 8:51 PM
          1. If I remember correctly... - TheOtherOzzy on Apr 10, 2015, 7:10 AM
            1. A supplemental Observation - Felix Manalo did not want to deal with iLokanos in America - Oberst Ozzy Osborn - not Colonel TheOtherOzzy on Apr 10, 2015, 3:57 PM
              1. INC ministers Dyland M Ramos & Dino Tigas Bunag also criminally Harass non-iLokano INCs - Oberst Ozzy Osborn - not Colonel TheOtherOzzy on Apr 10, 2015, 4:15 PM
    3. So true - HiJo on Apr 10, 2015, 8:25 AM
    4. You must understand, there are many new members who have heard it the first time. - emmanuel on Apr 11, 2015, 12:05 AM
      1. If those Catholics who convert to your religion know that felix is not an angel, do you - |Judie_84 on Apr 11, 2015, 1:28 AM
      2. Emman! My delusional, EVM puppet friend is back! Howr you buddy?! Ready for our shirt biz? - Mzlplck on Apr 11, 2015, 1:37 AM
        1. Up for my delusional EVM worshipping friend emman! You like the shirt design buddy? - Mzlplck on Apr 11, 2015, 3:02 PM
      3. i know you don't pray to dead "saints" like the Catholics do, but you, in a sense - |Judie_84 on Apr 11, 2015, 1:37 AM
        1. You don't know the meaning of worship. - emmanuel on Apr 11, 2015, 3:02 AM
          1. when you believed that felix is an angel, and that the Lord Jesus is a mere man, was it - |Judie_84 on Apr 11, 2015, 3:09 AM
            1. You don't seem to know the INC doctrine on this. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 6:25 PM
          2. What do you say of "the Seven I AM's" of Jesus? emman? - |Judie_84 on Apr 11, 2015, 3:19 AM
            1. "Normal grammar. Sayings of a normal person." by Tomas... - |Judie_84 on Apr 11, 2015, 3:18 PM
              1. It is of course normal grammar, but of course some of the sayings show - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 6:20 PM
                1. "It means He was not God, because God does not say I AM." LOL! - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 4:04 AM
                  1. "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 4:09 AM
                    1. I never claimed God never says "I am". He uses English just as well as - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 4:09 PM
                      1. you degraded the significance of those I AM statements of the Lord Jesus Christ with your - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 6:36 AM
            2. "Those I AM statements of Jesus point to his humanity, not to his deity." by emman. Hahaha - |Judie_84 on Apr 11, 2015, 3:38 PM
      4. Emman - you mean (new gullible Pinoy members are coming everyday) - ASP on Apr 11, 2015, 6:58 PM
        1. Most doctrines in INC are really good. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 8:57 PM
          1. LOL..really good? And you want to be taken seriously? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 12, 2015, 2:38 AM
            1. See how I have explained to Ozzy my comment that on most doctrines - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 3:52 AM
              1. Tom you ramble on & on. You said you did not learn of Ministry of Death from INC - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 4:00 AM
                1. Of course now I know the ministry of death in the Bible. So when Catholics - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 4:14 PM
                2. It is fruitless to try to have any INTELLIGENT discussion with Tomas. He's been a fool - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 19, 2015, 4:52 AM
      5. And which angel is the true angel of God? The one who preached the truth about the deity - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 19, 2015, 4:47 AM
      6. Food for the withered INC soul - HiJo on Apr 20, 2015, 9:08 AM
     
  6. "What is the origin of the Catholic Church?" View Thread - |Judie_84 on Apr 20, 2015, 3:58 AM
    1. "What is the origin of the Catholic Church?" part 2 of 2 - |Judie_84 on Apr 20, 2015, 4:05 AM
     
  7. why not defrock all the gay priests among their clergy? are gay priests indispensable to View Thread - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 11:21 AM
    1. can't the Catholic Church survive without the gay priests officiating at their Mass, - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 11:23 AM
      1. If they have gay sex, they need to repent. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 1:23 PM
        1. Gay Catholic priests, repent! or else you'll have a greater shortage of priests. hehe - |Judie_84 on Apr 20, 2015, 3:27 AM
     
  8. INC people, when you get out of your false church, don't go back to Catholicism. View Thread - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:29 AM
    1. you will again be required to pray to dead Saints in kneeling position. bowing in worship - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:30 AM
      1. It's never required, many Catholics do it in the hope that the saints - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 12:36 AM
        1. "God will forgive this sin of ignorance, if the Catholic is saved." by Tomas - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:58 AM
          1. Exactly, the principle of Rom. 14. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 1:07 AM
            1. so if the Pope was silent when the Nazis of Catholic Hitler were butchering Jews, the Pope - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 2:43 AM
              1. "Exactly, the principle of Romans 14." i got it, i got it. LOL - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 2:45 AM
              2. The pope did protect a few Jews in the Vatican. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 3:20 AM
                1. read the book "Hitler's Pope". it might help you decide better if the Pope sided with - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 3:52 AM
                  1. From the title, it looks like an antiCatholic book. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 3:55 AM
                    1. the police are bias against the criminals, usually. hehe, Do you expect a Catholic priest - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 3:58 AM
                      1. The police should not act as judges, convicting suspects - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 1:32 PM
                    2. In a 1943 interview Einstein was extremely critical of the Catholic Church's behavior - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 5:23 AM
                      1. Einstein criticiezd Pope Pius XII because of his Concordat with Hitler - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 5:27 AM
                        1. So? People like Churchill and Roosevelt made a pact with satanic Stalin. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 1:39 PM
                          1. were those Presidents you mentioned leaders of a religious organization like the Pope? - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 1:57 PM
                            1. the Americans were afraid of the Nazis so they made pact with Germany? hehe - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 1:58 PM
                              1. were the Germans then planning to invade North America? Oh my... hahaha. - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 1:59 PM
                                1. New Yorkers beware! WWII German vintage planes are coming to invade your homeland! LOL - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 2:16 PM
                                2. Hitler apparently did want to invade America. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:54 PM
                              2. No, Stalin was the dictator of Soviet Union, not Germany. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:50 PM
                            2. No, but they did claim to be Christian. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:47 PM
                              1. were they praying to dead Saints like the Catholics do? - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 3:09 PM
                                1. I don't know if President Kennedy ever prayed to dead saints, - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:17 PM
              3. 1. The Pope, like most people except the inner circle of the Nazi party, didn't know that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 12, 2015, 2:50 PM
                1. You better get your facts straight! - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 3:16 PM
                  1. Einstein was extremely critical of the Catholic Church's behavior under the Nazis - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 3:20 PM
                  2. "Catholic Bishops were required to swear an oath of loyalty to the Reich." Hahaha - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 3:28 PM
                2. "All Catholics were automatically expelled from the RCC when they joined the Nazi party." - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 3:41 PM
                  1. So what? Nobody knew in 1933 how evil Hitler was. Not only Germans, the entire world - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 12, 2015, 10:41 PM
                    1. because of that Concordat signed by "Hitler's Pope", the Nazi gained international - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 1:23 AM
                      1. was not Hitler, Catholic? Like your Catholic friends Guenter? - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 1:24 AM
                        1. Wasn't FYM Catholic? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 16, 2015, 10:48 PM
                          1. yes, he was born and raised as Roman Catholic - |Judie_84 on Apr 16, 2015, 11:11 PM
                            1. Did FYM remain Catholic? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 17, 2015, 3:19 PM
                              1. he left Catholicism. didn't want to pray to the dead Saints perhaps. searched for - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 8:23 AM
                                1. Very good my friend! Now, did Hitler remain Catholic? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 19, 2015, 4:56 AM
                                2. Baptized and confirmed Catholic. Still a Catholic,nevertheless, unless he became a Baptist - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 6:41 AM
                                3. Hitler USED the church for his political goals. But he was deeply anti-Christian. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 19, 2015, 5:01 PM
                                4. Baptized and confirmed Catholic. he hated Catholics' veneration of dead Saints, bowing - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 11:19 PM
                  2. The Concordat's purpose was mainly to protect the members of the RCC. Without that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 12, 2015, 10:49 PM
                    1. how did you know that i'd love the Catholics to be butchered? false accusation Guentler... - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 1:17 AM
                      1. calm down, be Gentler. hehehe - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 1:18 AM
                      2. Well, you oppose the Concordat. It saved thousands of lives, if not millions. You're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 16, 2015, 10:51 PM
                        1. and it legitimized the killings of Millions of Jews and other enemies of the Nazis. - |Judie_84 on Apr 16, 2015, 11:13 PM
                          1. the Concordat gave the Nazis international recognition. - |Judie_84 on Apr 16, 2015, 11:14 PM
                            1. They had that before and they had much better recognition due to the speedy - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 17, 2015, 3:27 PM
                              1. Save the Catholics, don't care about the unlucky Jews... and others who were victims of - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 6:02 AM
                          2. Only in your dirty fantasy! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 17, 2015, 3:20 PM
                          3. Only in your dirty fantasy! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 17, 2015, 3:20 PM
                          4. Only in your dirty fantasy! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 17, 2015, 3:20 PM
                            1. My dirty fantasy. hehehe - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 6:03 AM
                              1. You're a fool like Tomas. I love reading foolish discussions you two are having. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 19, 2015, 5:05 AM
                                1. for lack of good defense against Anti-Catholics, go Guenter. pity the gay Priests who - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 6:46 AM
                                2. Gay priests are the fulfillment of prophecies in the Bible. You may want to read the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 19, 2015, 5:22 PM
                                3. Hahaha! Be gentler Guenter! Sinning is different from institutionilizing sin. - |Judie_84 on Apr 20, 2015, 2:34 AM
                                4. institutionalizing sin such as canonizing Saints and encouraging people to kneel down - |Judie_84 on Apr 20, 2015, 2:46 AM
                              2. Sorry for the missing "the". - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 19, 2015, 5:07 AM
                                1. you're excused Guenter. Attack the INC's only. Leave the Gay Priests on their own. Tell - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 6:49 AM
                        2. In the Concordat "Bishops were required to swear an oath of loyalty to the Reich and its - |Judie_84 on Apr 16, 2015, 11:17 PM
                          1. They are not allowed to complain/protest against the human rights abuses and injustice - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 6:53 AM
                  3. so how would you reconcile your assertion vs. the historical fact that "Bishops were - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 1:16 AM
                3. Guenter is playing historian here. hehehe... - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 4:21 PM
                  1. No, just exposing your ignorance....not only when it comes to historic facts. You got a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 12, 2015, 10:26 PM
                    1. point out to me those wrong things which i say here. i'm always open to corrections when i - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 12:40 AM
                      1. I only tell you one: You're dead wrong calling Catholics idolaters. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 16, 2015, 11:02 PM
                        1. is not kneeling before a graven image IDOLATRY? is not bowing down before the statues of - |Judie_84 on Apr 16, 2015, 11:31 PM
                          1. NO idolatry! You need to read the ENTIRE Bible to understand the Bible. But you don't. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 19, 2015, 5:25 PM
                            1. hahaha! bowing down before carved images is not IDOLATRY... according to you. - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 11:37 PM
                              1. celebrating Masses to honor them and holding fiestas for them is not IDOLATRY... hehe - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 11:56 PM
                            2. OK, you're excused. Call someone in who can defend your IDOLATRY better. hehe - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 11:59 PM
                    2. when will you learn to admit that the Catholics' practice of praying to dead Saints, and - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 1:27 AM
                      1. do you approve the gay Catholic priests' molesting of young men among their parishioners? - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 1:28 AM
                        1. shall those spiritual leaders among the Catholic clergy be allowed to stay in their office - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 1:31 AM
                          1. cite to me verses which condemn homosexuality, gays and lesbians alike if you - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 1:33 AM
                      2. Guenter, don't you think God hates those Catholics who bow down before the statues of - |Judie_84 on Apr 16, 2015, 11:22 PM
                        1. God loves it, because they don't bow down before the statues but before the person ( Mary, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 17, 2015, 3:18 PM
                          1. bowing before statues of dead Catholics and talking to them, and bowing before them is no - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 6:11 AM
                            1. You did not read the documents of the Second Council of Nicaea. Shame on you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 19, 2015, 5:00 AM
                              1. Shame on me Guenter. Go, keep on venerating the dead Catholic Saints. Keep kneeling before - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 6:56 AM
                                1. You need to read the Bible and get your facts straight. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 19, 2015, 4:41 PM
                                2. hahaha. you still did not get the point in Exodus 20:4-5. Read it again. - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 11:30 PM
                                3. making images of dead men and kneeling down before them, praying to them, talking to - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 11:35 PM
                      3. Isaiah 44:9-20. the making of idols who have ears but do not hear, and eyes but do not see - |Judie_84 on Apr 16, 2015, 11:35 PM
                        1. "Shall i bow down to a block of wood?" - A very good question for the Catholics... - |Judie_84 on Apr 16, 2015, 11:38 PM
    2. Roman Catholicism is the mother church of your church of felix. most INC's are former Cath - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:32 AM
    3. It's OK, if they didn't find salvation in INC, they can find it in RCC too. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 12:32 AM
      1. Hahaha! i didn't expect you Padre Tomas to say that nonsense. - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:34 AM
        1. prove that praying to dead persons, the Catholics Saints, kneeling before their statues is - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:36 AM
          1. that praying the repetitive prayers of the Rosary is not contrary to Christ's teachings. - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:37 AM
            1. that hearing Mass officiated by a gay Priests is not vain worship. - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:38 AM
              1. Are you getting into the error of ancient Donatism? - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 12:49 AM
            2. These are sins, I agree with you, and INC agrees too, - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 12:39 AM
              1. Are you tricking us into believing that Romans 14 speaks about gay priests, praying and - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:55 AM
                1. If the gay priest has gay sex, he knows it is wrong, - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 1:03 AM
                  1. Re: If the gay priest has gay sex, he knows it is wrong, - Michael on Apr 17, 2015, 2:26 AM
                    1. Eating some stuff is indeed sinful. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:13 PM
                  2. "Ignorance is bliss." goes the saying. hehe - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 2:26 PM
                    1. would the Catholic heirarchy be not held accountable for encouraging veneration of dea - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 2:31 PM
                      1. Shall your favorite antidote for guilt, Romans 14, save them from the coming wrath of God - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 2:34 PM
                      2. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 2:39 PM
              2. you're now becoming a Catholic Faith Defender, eh? - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:55 AM
                1. It is simply that in spite of some doctrinal errors, the Catholic church preaches the - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 1:06 AM
                  1. some doctrinal errors plus the gospel make good Christians out of Catholics? - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 2:42 AM
                    1. Yes, I don't think anyone is able to be without doctrinal errors. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 3:24 AM
                      1. keep studying the Bible so we would know whether the Catholics' practice of praying - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 3:57 AM
                        1. It is a sin, but a sin of ignorance, therefore forgiven, - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 1:41 PM
                          1. so all people would be forgiven of their sins because their sins are sins of ignorance? - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 2:00 PM
                            1. Shall all men be saved in spite of their evil deeds? in spite of their lack of repentance? - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 2:04 PM
                              1. Not all men, or all women. Just all who are saved, who repent - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:19 PM
      2. Can we find peace on earth Tomas with all these false religions? ISIS. Al-Qaeda. Godless - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:43 AM
        1. Prophet Angel felix! who said that? is that a PAf? hahaha - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:44 AM
          1. who you taking man? the gay priests or the wicked ministers of PAf? - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:45 AM
            1. and who is PAf? LOL - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:45 AM
              1. What is PAf? Some new false gospel? I haven't heard of them. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 12:53 AM
                1. gospel of the INC, PAf is the Last Messenger according to them. You don't know who PAf is? - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:59 AM
                  1. PAf - Prophet Angel felix. now you already know? Hahaha - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 1:00 AM
                    1. Well, I was taught by INC that they believe that Felix was not a prophet. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 1:11 AM
                      1. so how do you reconcile your endorsement of the tale that felix was the fifth angel with - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 2:47 AM
                        1. I do not endorse the doctrine that he was the fifth messenger. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 3:22 AM
                          1. Tomas, read more, learn more. Know that Jesus condemned false teachers instead of - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 4:29 AM
                            1. Just because he was not an infallible teacher, does not make him - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 1:43 PM
                              1. Jesus was a teacher, a great one. Was he not infallible? was Paul not infallible? - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 2:06 PM
                                1. Jesus was infallible. Paul was infallible until 1 Cor. 4:6, and even after that - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:22 PM
                      2. no more need for the P in PAf? simpy "Af" would be goog enough as an initial for FYM? - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 2:48 AM
                        1. OK. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 3:26 AM
                      3. i think that the spread of INC to the West via Hawaii was one of the proofs of the INC's - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 2:51 AM
                        1. That was just an interpretation of some verse, - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 3:29 AM
                          1. the PAf prophesied the expansion of the Lamsa church from the East to the West. Period. - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 4:33 AM
                            1. He interpreted a prophecy, rather than creating a new prophecy. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 1:45 PM
                              1. in his interpretation, did he not add words to the Book of Revelation? is doing so not - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 2:08 PM
                                1. It is OK to try to interpret the book of Revelation. But - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:26 PM
        2. No, Judie, there won't be peace on earth, until Christ comes, - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 12:52 AM
          1. There would be no peace on earth as long as Tomas covers for the INC and the RCC. - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:57 AM
            1. You are bringing divisiveness rather than peace, by rejecting - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 1:13 AM
              1. Oh my! it;s now my fault that both the Roman Catholic Church and the INC's have doctrinal - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 2:54 AM
                1. tell me more about the sacrifice of the Holy Mass. what happens when an active gay priest - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 2:57 AM
                  1. Yes, I told you above that the Donatist church had an error doctrine, - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 3:44 AM
                2. We all have limited minds, so no church is infallible, - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 3:31 AM
                  1. point to us the doctrinal errors of the church of God in Ephesus. - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 4:25 AM
                    1. point to us the doctrinal errors of the church built by Christ in Jerusalem on the day of - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 4:27 AM
                      1. No church is infallible today. But of course the apostles were infallible - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 1:50 PM
                        1. do you believe that there are churches today which are still true to the teachings of the - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 3:04 PM
                          1. Some churches are more faithful to the teachings of the Bible than others, but - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:30 PM
                            1. what beliefs of the Evangelicals would not lead them to salvation, they being not - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:27 PM
    4. Don't go back to Catholicism and don't listen to Tomas. haha - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 5:02 AM
    5. SCRAM JUDIE. go on a hot date with your Lover named Elias Ibarra - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 10:43 PM
      1. SCRAM JUDIE. go on a hot date with your Lover named Elias Ibarra - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 12:41 AM
        1. how do i know you're telling the truth in your other posts about the INC's criminal - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 1:37 AM
          1. how are you snitch? you False Accuser. Keep coming. hahha - |Judie_84 on Apr 13, 2015, 1:38 AM
     
  9. How do you describe the practice of talking to dead persons? the Catholic Saints are dead View Thread - |Judie_84 on Apr 20, 2015, 2:38 AM
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  11. "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." applies aptly to Tomas's doctrine that View Thread - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 2:48 PM
    1. The Catholics don't know that when they are praying to their Saints, they are talking to - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 2:50 PM
     
  12. Per doctrine of the good debater here named Tomas, "Ignorance of Sin is the Savior." in View Thread - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:19 PM
    1. No matter how wicked one is as long as he is ignorant that his deeds were indeed evil - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:23 PM
     
  13. Today's SAT WS lesson is aimed to the readers/posters of this forum View Thread - 4LetterBirador on Apr 11, 2015, 1:24 PM
    1. Christianity is proven, for one thing by the fact that Christ fulfilled - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 1:44 PM
      1. "Nobody is willing to die for a lie. So it is the truth."-where the fuck do i begin. ISIS? - Mzlplck on Apr 11, 2015, 2:46 PM
        1. The ISIS people are not dying for lies about miracles, - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 3:00 PM
      2. one thing to be a Bible-believing church. Another thing is to institutionalize sin like - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 12:22 AM
        1. It is based on some faulty doctrines, but these sins - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 1:29 AM
          1. the Bible: "...so that people are without excuse." Tomas: " God forgives saved people - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 2:32 AM
            1. and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human be - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 2:34 AM
              1. See my comment below. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 3:00 AM
            2. Judie, what being without excuse refers to, is that if one is not a believer - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 2:59 AM
              1. "and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised" - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 4:17 AM
                1. Catholics don't worship and serve created things rather than the Creator. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:07 PM
                  1. you not aware of the kind of attention the Catholics give to their favorite Saints? - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 2:18 PM
                    1. they hold fiestas in honor of their dead Saints. they pay big to their priests who - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 2:31 PM
                      1. They hold even bigger fiestas in honor of God, like Christmas - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:42 PM
                        1. ok forgive them Tomas. you be the judge. - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 3:11 PM
                          1. God forgives them, he is the judge. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 8:07 PM
          2. Are you now the judge Tomas? - Michael on Apr 15, 2015, 8:11 PM
            1. Yes, we need to judge what church is a false gospel and what church is holy. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:17 PM
              1. commit all sins and just tell Tomas that you did not know what you were doing. Tomas will - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 3:16 PM
                1. The LORD said unto my Lord, "Sit thou at my right hand until i make thine enemies a - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 3:24 PM
                  1. The gay priests who are celibate, don't know that elders - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:42 PM
                    1. Rom 14 is a blanket authority for forgiving all sins. according to Tomas. - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 3:52 PM
                      1. No, only sins committed ignorantly, by saved people. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:53 PM
                        1. saved people are those who pray to dead Catholic Saints, bowing down before their statues. - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 3:55 PM
                          1. If they don't know it is a sin, it is forgiven. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 4:03 PM
                            1. Sin with impunity. take Tomas as your counsel. he'll defend evil acts by abusing Romans 14 - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 7:10 AM
                2. I am not the judge, I can't read the hearts of people who seem saved, - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:33 PM
                  1. saved are those who bow down before the dead Saints' statues in prayer. LOL! - |Judie_84 on Apr 18, 2015, 3:54 PM
                    1. If they don't know it is a sin, it is forgiven. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 4:04 PM
                      1. if they don't read their Bibles, being mere members of the Catholic Church, they won't - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 12:41 AM
                        1. Sinning and INSTITUNALIZING SIN are two very different things Tomas! - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 12:42 AM
                          1. Sinning and INSTITUTIONALIZING SIN are two very different things! - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 12:45 AM
                          2. Institutionalizing this sin is due to a wrong doctrine. - Tomas on Apr 19, 2015, 12:58 AM
                            1. "God was so sad, watching his holy churches committing such grievous sins" LOL Tomas - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:23 AM
                              1. so you are still convinced that those churches which teach that praying to dead Saints is - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:24 AM
                                1. Yes, and in fact all churches used to teach that in early medieval times, - Tomas on Apr 19, 2015, 1:58 AM
                                2. is God powerless that he can't prevent IDOLATRY within his church? - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 2:10 AM
                                3. He is omnipotent, but in his wisdom he chose not to give us - Tomas on Apr 19, 2015, 2:58 AM
                              2. Is the INC established by felix a part of those which you classify as "holy churches"? - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:26 AM
                                1. Sure, they too preach the true gospel. - Tomas on Apr 19, 2015, 2:01 AM
                                2. don't worry about erroneous doctrines, Tomas would defend you by abusing Romans 14. - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 7:11 AM
              2. Tomas, read again Rom.14 - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 12:04 PM
    2. Can you elaborate on the WS lesson? Mighty good to know EVMs ass is getting kicked - Mzlplck on Apr 11, 2015, 2:47 PM
      1. Up - Mzlplck on Apr 11, 2015, 2:58 PM
      2. What did they say about us on the forums? It seems odd that a billionaire preacher - Walter on Apr 11, 2015, 6:30 PM
        1. Col Walter, you make a good point that Eddieboy Manalo feels threatened by Little people - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 11, 2015, 6:53 PM
    3. Can you elaborate on this special offering for the Arena? This is interesting as the arena - Walter on Apr 11, 2015, 3:22 PM
      1. Up - Mzlplck on Apr 11, 2015, 4:35 PM
      2. If that's true, then whoever has decided not to demolish it should be prosecuted - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 5:58 PM
        1. Tom, you are just sloppy in using computer science terms. plus i want this thread upped - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 11, 2015, 6:18 PM
          1. You too, like Karlos, keep ignoring the fact that the Catholic church - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 8:46 PM
            1. dude, we know that RCC copied Levite priesthood & INC copied it with INC Ministry rank - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 11, 2015, 9:00 PM
              1. INC Acting Secretary Allan Alcon Villanueva knows INC Ferdinand Febre sneaks into USAFbase - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 11, 2015, 9:12 PM
                1. What would be his motive? Just to scare a woman? - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 12:09 AM
                  1. INC Minister Ferdinand Alcala Febre being able to sneak into Vandenberg USAF Base is what - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 1:35 AM
                    1. Well, military guards are not perfect, it's been happening for centuries - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 2:01 AM
                      1. well Tom, your callous comment would make almost all US military families to want you to - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 2:11 AM
                        1. It is not callous, it is a caring comment, caring for the safety - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 3:04 AM
                          1. You are just Idiotic and Non-Patriotic, Tom. My grand-dads are US Army who fought Japs - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 4:05 AM
                            1. No, I know they did well in fighting Japan, that was a terrible - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:21 PM
                            2. And it is considered an ethnic insult to call them Japs. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 8:23 PM
              2. Actually, INC has a lot more doctrines in common with Protestants than Catholics. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 12:07 AM
                1. Tom, you talk like you know in detail the Manalo theology and act so sure about Manalos - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 1:55 AM
                  1. When I was being indoctrinated, I asked questions, \ - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 2:47 AM
                    1. you are such a bold-face liar, Tom. you know the Ministry of Death is mentioned by Paul - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 3:01 AM
                      1. OK, I stand corrected. Of course I did not lie on purpose. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2015, 3:11 AM
                        1. Tom, you can not be taken seriously. You said that USAF Base security is Not Important - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 4:03 AM
                          1. I'm glad you feel the same way as I do: Tomas can't be taken seriously. Amen! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 15, 2015, 12:14 AM
                          2. No, Ozzy, I know USAF base security is important. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:30 PM
    4. I'm glad that you were able to discuss all of this. As the church has stated, we are - Walter on Apr 11, 2015, 5:21 PM
      1. I'll bet Eddieboy Manalo & Babylynn regret mentioning Network54 in today's Sermon in N.C. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 4:07 AM
    5. Those Iglesia ni cristo administrators/Rulers are Quezon City Idiots - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 11, 2015, 5:51 PM
      1. The Ministry of Death (identified by Apostle Paul) really is working - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 1:58 AM
        1. Tom, the Ministry of Condemnation & Ministry of Death have something in Common - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 7:22 AM
          1. Judie, why don't you talk about Eduardo Manalo's ministry instead of talking about RCC - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 7:25 AM
            1. the bulk of INC's were former Catholics. it's also good to talk about their former faith. - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 7:48 AM
              1. No good debaters from the INC's anymore so i do this as a sort of a sideline to - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 7:50 AM
                1. if you Judie are bored here & want to talk about Catholics, then SCRAM & join RCC forum - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 8:52 AM
                  1. the more you talk me into SCRAMMING from here, the more i'll post Anti-Catholic comments - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 9:28 AM
                    1. ordinary Catholics don't read the Bible that's why they're easy targets for INC recruiters - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 9:44 AM
                      1. they are not aware of the dark side of Catholicism as well. They are willingly ignorant of - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 9:50 AM
                        1. So if they are ignorant, then why blame them? - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 8:38 PM
                          1. if not them, shall it be you who should blamed? if not their leaders, - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 12:45 AM
                            1. God forgives saved people sins caused by ignorance, - Tomas on Apr 19, 2015, 1:01 AM
                              1. is felix ignorant of his act of proclaiming himself as an angel, and Jesus as a mere man? - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:56 AM
                                1. We can't read his heart, so maybe he honestly believed he was the last messenger - Tomas on Apr 19, 2015, 2:08 AM
                                2. "... Jesus might be God after all." There you go again Tomas. - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:15 PM
                    2. excerpts from an article entitled: "Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church" - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 10:22 AM
                      1. on to page 4 - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 10:27 AM
                        1. Judie, if you want to focus on Catholic Topics, then answer this Catholic Topic - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 3:46 PM
                          1. get out of Judie's life. she definitely does not need you. just tell her to scram! - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 4:01 PM
          2. Ozzy, INC does believe the Law of Moses is abolished. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:37 PM
    6. bet ya FBI/CIA are not happy to find out INC minister Ferdinand Febre was able to sneak - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 7:00 AM
    7. you were converted to INC or born into a family of INC's? i was born and raised as a - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 7:47 AM
      1. Judie, do you believe Lord Jesus is God in the flesh? I believe He is - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 9:05 AM
        1. don't talk to me ozzy. talk other bloggers here, not to me... - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 9:29 AM
        2. i can live without you ozzy. get off me! - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 9:30 AM
          1. Catholic Topic: Jesus using His finger to write 10 Commandments on Temple stone floor - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 3:58 PM
            1. No, I would think that he probably wrote sins of those who wanted to throw stones - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 7:26 PM
              1. Tom, you really are a former Atheist who learned his Theology from manalistas - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 18, 2015, 9:32 PM
                1. I must have read this theory of Jesus writing sins of those present, - Tomas on Apr 19, 2015, 1:48 AM
    8. same old same old, but increasingly more angry! - Walter on Apr 12, 2015, 7:15 PM
      1. Colonel Walter, thank you for update - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 8:59 PM
        1. He does not directoy mention the internet in the lessons. - Walter on Apr 12, 2015, 9:08 PM
          1. these iglesia ni cristo ministers said they read network54 - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 9:15 PM
            1. Judie, do your attacks on Catholics in a Catholic forum. Elias Ibarra can join you there - Oberst Ozzy Osborn - not Colonel TheOtherOzzy on Apr 13, 2015, 3:36 AM
    9. Iglesia ni cristo USA MINISTER FERDINAND A FEBRE ABLE TO SNEAK INTO VANDENBERG USAF BASE - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 19, 2015, 2:14 AM
     
  14. is hearing Mass officiated by a gay Priest is not vain worship? View Thread - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 7:17 AM
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  16. "Shall i bow down to a block of wood?" - A very good question for the Catholics... View Thread - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 7:14 AM
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  18. Veneration (Latin veneratio or dulia, Greek δουλεία, douleia), or veneration of saints, is View Thread - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 6:59 AM
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  20. The evil teachings of the Roman Catholic Church provide the fuel for the INC's expansion. View Thread - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 6:46 AM
    1. the iglesia ni cristo is Not expanding. in fact INC is smaller now that in 1960. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 7:04 AM
      1. they're now becoming more visible. they use the media a lot. they now have their - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 7:57 AM
        1. Col Walter, didn't you say you guys cut Bible study to once per week? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Apr 12, 2015, 8:46 AM
          1. That would be sad. People should study the Bible very often. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 8:47 PM
    2. without the Catholics, there would have been no INC of the PAf... - |Judie_84 on Apr 12, 2015, 9:36 AM
      1. Without the Catholics, there would have been no Lutheran church or Reformed - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 4:02 PM
        1. so we should all be grateful for the so-called Mother Church which INSTITUTIONALIZED the - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:27 AM
          1. Catholic practice of praying to DEAD SAINTS, bowing before them in prayer? - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:28 AM
            1. You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:33 AM
              1. do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:33 AM
                1. Re: do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it - |Judie_84 on Apr 19, 2015, 1:53 AM
                  1. Regardless of some doctrinal errors, Catholic church is one - Tomas on Apr 19, 2015, 3:02 AM
     
 
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