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  1. God loves all as they say - but is He fair to all? View Thread - ASP on Oct 17, 3:16 PM
    1. is God unfair? in what way? - |Judie_84 on Oct 17, 3:25 PM
    2. Of course. You think not? By the way, how do you know what's fair? - Michael on Oct 17, 4:13 PM
      1. example - 2 babies born; one healthy, one with disability - fair? unfair? - ASP on Oct 17, 4:21 PM
        1. Don't ask me. I asked you. How do you know what is fair? - Michael on Oct 17, 4:34 PM
          1. I think you think I have no capacity to know what is fair or unfair - ASP on Oct 17, 5:26 PM
            1. Not at all. I'm just asking 'How do you know what's fair? - Michael on Oct 17, 6:20 PM
              1. ok? how about every human are born healthy, not poor, not rich, just adequate - ASP on Oct 17, 6:53 PM
                1. It seems you can't really give a sufficient answer. - Michael on Oct 17, 7:43 PM
                  1. I don't think I can give a different answer than what I already said - ASP on Oct 17, 8:11 PM
                    1. That's exactly my point ASP. - Michael on Oct 18, 8:30 AM
                      1. do you know what is truly fair any more than I do? - ASP on Oct 18, 1:00 PM
                        1. I don't think we can come to terms with what is fair. - Michael on Oct 19, 12:06 PM
                      2. regarding purpose - ASP on Oct 18, 1:34 PM
                        1. Do you really have a problem with that? - Michael on Oct 19, 3:33 PM
                          1. should quest for a certain logic be considered as problem? - ASP on Oct 20, 4:36 PM
                            1. Wrong quest therefore, for logic will not answer your problem. - Michael on Oct 20, 6:09 PM
                              1. Michael - I gladly accept your assessment of my thinking - ASP on Oct 20, 6:31 PM
                                1. Re: Michael - I gladly accept your assessment of my thinking - Michael on Oct 20, 9:45 PM
                                2. where do you think my sense of fairness comes from? - ASP on Oct 21, 12:09 AM
                                3. God. - Michael on Oct 21, 7:34 AM
                                4. perhaps you do these - ASP on Oct 21, 7:48 PM
                                5. So what has that got to do with fairness? You blame God because of that? - Michael on Oct 23, 12:38 PM
                                6. when a person asks why, it's automatically called blaming? - ASP on Oct 23, 4:59 PM
                                7. Look at what your OP implies ASP. - Michael on Oct 23, 5:20 PM
                                8. OP this, OP that - anyway last question (or re-question) - ASP on Oct 23, 5:52 PM
                                9. Well, you really seem to not recognize the effect of sin. I now don't know if you - Michael on Oct 23, 9:21 PM
                                10. whose sin is it that some of us has to feel the effects? - ASP on Oct 23, 10:55 PM
                                11. the blind man was created blind because??? - ASP on Oct 24, 12:06 AM
                                12. Did you read the passage and understood it ASP? - Michael on Oct 24, 7:05 AM
     
  2. kumagag's post stating that "only the glory will appear" in Tittus 2:13! View Thread - Nom on Oct 21, 3:47 PM
    1. don't just blabber there, show us here what ESV, NRSV, NLT, NIV have written - Observer3 on Oct 21, 8:25 PM
      1. Ulol ka talaga kumagago! - Nom on Oct 22, 5:44 AM
        1. read the versions I gave you- are they all wrong? - Observer3 on Oct 22, 2:41 PM
          1. did I say that or it is you? - Nom on Oct 23, 4:36 AM
      2. Re: don't just blabber there, show us here what ESV, NRSV, NLT, NIV have written - Nom on Oct 22, 5:47 AM
      3. Re: don't just blabber there, show us here what ESV, NRSV, NLT, NIV have written - Nom on Oct 22, 7:39 AM
        1. so which version is the true words of God? - Observer3 on Oct 22, 2:30 PM
          1. The original Greek! And those translations that reflect the original Greek best, like KJV - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 12:47 AM
          2. ugok, answer my question, you idiot! - Nom on Oct 23, 4:23 AM
      4. How can the glory appear? Any idea? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 1:03 AM
    2. If Kumag doesn't understand Titus 2:13, how can he understand Mathew 24? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 1:28 AM
      1. He will not Guenter. - Nom on Oct 23, 8:00 AM
      2. kumagago is gone! Stunned by his own stupid belief! - Nom on Oct 24, 5:43 AM
     
  3. still unanswered by the Anti-Christ is God: "If Jesus is David's Lord, how is he his son?" View Thread - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 12:03 AM
    1. kumago/observer3, INCquisitor, emman. Where are you? - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 12:04 AM
    2. we'd start counting from today: it's DAY 1 - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 12:05 AM
      1. Today is DAY 2 - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 11:53 PM
    3. Whose Son Is the Messiah? Matthew 22:41-46 - |Judie_84 on Oct 24, 12:18 AM
     
  4. Back to the Arena - Read the body of this message. View Thread - jodlas on Oct 22, 7:56 PM
    1. God's tourism district -see the links in above message :) - jodlas on Oct 22, 9:12 PM
    2. in 1998, a Minister criticized Mormons for owning JC Penney - ASP on Oct 22, 9:17 PM
      1. Inc apostasy - Horizon on Oct 23, 12:16 AM
        1. FYM would probably applaud the changes and kick himself for not thinking about it first. - jodlas on Oct 23, 1:08 AM
          1. Yes, but this is why family cults fail - Horizon on Oct 23, 3:09 PM
    3. Jesus' reaction. John 2:14-17 - Michael on Oct 23, 11:02 AM
      1. up. - Jodlas on Oct 23, 1:32 PM
     
  5. Repost:Why was the eating of blood or of the blood of any flesh forbidden in OT times? View Thread - Michael on Oct 17, 3:11 PM
    1. It's what God has spoken through His son (Heb. 1:2). - INCquisitor on Oct 17, 11:19 PM
      1. Did you read the OP? What you say does not address it. - Michael on Oct 18, 7:43 AM
        1. You didn't see what I wrote, didn't you? - INCquisitor on Oct 18, 2:24 PM
          1. I did. You didn't understand my questions? - Michael on Oct 19, 10:07 AM
    2. who the devil said eating blood is not any more forbidden? and why? - Observer3 on Oct 18, 1:39 PM
      1. You accuse Jesus of being the devil? - INCquisitor on Oct 18, 2:26 PM
        1. you are with the devil who tried hard to twist his words. - Observer3 on Oct 18, 3:01 PM
          1. You are an antiChrist who strives hard to make Jesus a liar. - INCquisitor on Oct 18, 11:25 PM
            1. Repent, Incq. Stop sinning- stop eating blood sausages! - Observer3 on Oct 20, 3:12 PM
          2. is abstain have the same meaning as forbidden or prohibited? - Karlos on Oct 23, 3:00 PM
    3. Everybody seems know only how to ask and argue, but never realize why scriptures - Michael on Oct 23, 1:06 PM
     
  6. Could anyone take away the life of Jesus when He was here on earth, so that he dies? View Thread - Michael on Oct 17, 7:18 AM
    1. Up - Michael on Oct 23, 1:16 PM
     
  7. On Demon's attitude towards Jesus Christ. View Thread - Michael on Oct 17, 8:00 AM
    1. Up - Michael on Oct 23, 1:15 PM
     
  8. John 20:27-29: Do not be unbelieving, but believing. View Thread - Michael on Oct 17, 9:33 AM
    1. UP - Michael on Oct 23, 1:14 PM
     
  9. INC's Pasugo admits: "the true Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.” View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 1:46 AM
    1. What's the point there Guenter? - Michael on Oct 23, 12:06 PM
     
  10. INC: Liar, liar, pants on fire! View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 1:52 AM
    1. INC should not keep silent about this. Else they truly are deceivers. - Michael on Oct 23, 11:57 AM
    2. Is that how the INC leadership operates and defends the gospel? - Michael on Oct 23, 11:59 AM
    3. Why would INC have to resort to such things just to discredit an individual? - Michael on Oct 23, 12:02 PM
    4. Does INC not believe that the best weapon against falsehood is the truth? - Michael on Oct 23, 12:03 PM
     
  11. Beggars belief View Thread - Manalo family hellicopters on Oct 22, 10:57 AM
    1. Is it true that at first FYM believed and preached Christ is God & that God is a trinity? - Michael on Oct 22, 12:10 PM
      1. I have heard that too, but have not seen any reliable sources. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 1:31 AM
    2. Is it true that at first FYM believed and preached praying to Jesus? - Michael on Oct 22, 12:12 PM
    3. Is it true that later INC believed Christ is not God & that God is not a trinity? - Michael on Oct 22, 12:14 PM
    4. Is it true that later INC believed that one should not pray and worship Jesus? - Michael on Oct 22, 12:15 PM
    5. Is it true that later on INC believed again that one should worship Jesus? - Michael on Oct 22, 12:17 PM
     
  12. What law prohibits the Son from being God and man at the same time? View Thread - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 12:40 AM
    1. The Lord is God. Jesus is Lord, therefore he is God. Jesus was the Word who was with God - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 12:42 AM
      1. and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. The Word was born as the man Jesus. - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 12:43 AM
    2. No law and no verse in the Bible! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 12:43 AM
      1. The Doubting Tomas has spoken and cited verses which supposedly prohibit Jesus from being - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 12:47 AM
        1. I know, and he called them "difficult" verses. If these verses are difficult for him, no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 1:15 AM
        2. I know, and he called them "difficult" verses. If these verses are difficult for him, no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 1:15 AM
     
  13. Where is the verse that says Jesus is both God and Man at the same time? View Thread - Kumag Ka on Aug 7, 11:20 AM
    1. where's the verse that says he can't be like that? - |Judie_84 on Sep 15, 12:09 PM
      1. usual gimmick whenever he has nothing to say. lol - Observer3 on Sep 16, 11:38 PM
        1. answer the question. no gimmicks please. - |Judie_84 on Sep 17, 12:00 AM
          1. the moron's usual escape act... idiot, lol - Kumag Ka on Sep 18, 3:33 PM
      2. what law prohibits him from being so? "No one can be God and man at the same time." - |Judie_84 on Sep 20, 9:41 AM
        1. It might well be prohibited by these difficult verses: - Tomas on Sep 20, 10:39 AM
          1. am sure Judie won't understand those verses, tom. poor thing. - Observer3 on Sep 20, 11:22 PM
          2. so Tomas, you now believe Jesus is not God, just like your buddy kumago a.k.a observa2? - |Judie_84 on Sep 21, 12:47 AM
            1. No, I said those are difficult verses, we can't really know if they prohibit - Tomas on Sep 27, 11:45 AM
              1. It's not for you to understand. But 2 billion true Christians DO understand. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 6, 1:02 AM
                1. only a few shall be saved ergo less than 7 billion human beings confused about Jesus - Kumag Ka on Oct 6, 7:56 AM
                  1. Correct, Kumag will not be able. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 6, 4:17 PM
                    1. hahaha that 7b people already bound to hell already included guenter, emman,tom?? - Observer3 on Oct 7, 8:26 AM
                      1. How? - Nom on Oct 7, 1:02 PM
                        1. aha, this saling pusa has not been named? hahaha see, he wanted to grab attentionin - Observer3 on Oct 7, 11:12 PM
                          1. wrong answer idiot pakyo! - Nom on Oct 8, 9:14 AM
                      2. God contradicted you a very long time ago. Read carefully what He said: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 8, 6:10 AM
                        1. many shall seek but only a few shall be able- luke3:23-24 - Kumag Ka on Oct 10, 2:03 PM
                          1. hey pakyo! - Nom on Oct 10, 2:29 PM
                          2. You're still trying to contradict God. Good luck to you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 11, 11:53 PM
                      3. You're contradicting God. Congratulations, my friend! God said: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 5:35 AM
                2. There are not even 2 billion Christians, much less saved Christians - Tomas on Oct 11, 11:32 AM
                  1. OK, a little more than 2 billion Christians, but most of them are not - Tomas on Oct 11, 12:58 PM
                    1. You're - like Kumag - contradicting God. God said: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 12, 12:02 AM
          3. Only a dirty fantasy can see a prohibition in these NOT so difficult verses. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 12:41 AM
    2. hahaha jude the comedian has no answer ?!!! lol - Observer3 on Sep 17, 10:39 PM
      1. John 1:1,14,18 the Word was God and he became flesh. he is himself God and is in closest - |Judie_84 on Sep 21, 12:59 AM
        1. what a stupid reply! ANYOne here worst than this moron? - Observer3 on Oct 7, 8:49 AM
          1. is it stupidity to cite verses which prove that the Lord Jesus is God? - |Judie_84 on Oct 7, 10:52 PM
            1. the issue is he is both God AND man!!! and that's intentional stupidity ...lol - Observer3 on Oct 7, 11:14 PM
              1. Yes, even the Apostle Paul knew that non-Christians would consider it stupidity to believe - |Judie_84 on Oct 7, 11:19 PM
                1. 1tim2;5 apostle paul said jesus is the man mediator BETWEEN god and men - Kumag Ka on Oct 8, 1:27 AM
                  1. Ulol ka talaga kumagago! - Nom on Oct 10, 2:33 PM
                    1. nOm the sputa is sick with attention deficit syndrome. pity - Kumag Ka on Oct 11, 3:29 PM
                      1. wrong answer idiot pakyo! - Nom on Oct 12, 6:16 AM
                      2. Hahaha... idiot! - KUmag Ka on Oct 12, 3:43 PM
                        1. wrong answer idiot pakyo! - Nom on Oct 13, 5:37 AM
    3. Kumag Honey Babe, HERE'S IGLESIA NI CRISTO PROPHECIES - Generalfeldmarschall Desert Fox Erwin Rommel on Sep 20, 9:28 AM
    4. hahaha whre's the verse dude? - Observer3 on Sep 20, 11:19 PM
      1. "If the Messiah is David's Lord, how is he his son?" - your response kumago. - |Judie_84 on Sep 21, 1:11 AM
        1. Here's to answer your question,Jude-read and digest the verses well. - Kumag Ka on Sep 22, 3:01 PM
          1. kumago, "If Jesus is David's Lord, how is he his son?" - that's the question. - |Judie_84 on Sep 27, 9:59 AM
            1. better go back to the basics, my little girl. - Kumag Ka on Sep 30, 1:02 PM
            2. Where's your answer kumago? hehe - |Judie_84 on Oct 3, 2:42 AM
            3. still no answer kumago? - |Judie_84 on Oct 7, 10:53 PM
            4. kumago/observa2, emman, INCqui and the rest of the Anti-Christ is God. - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 11:25 PM
              1. Any answer to the riddle among the Anti-Christ is God? - |Judie_84 on Oct 11, 2:39 PM
    5. Kumag Honey Babe, HERE'S IGLESIA NI CRISTO PROPHECIES - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 21, 5:37 AM
    6. so,where's the verse? - Kumag Ka on Sep 22, 3:28 PM
    7. Many here believe is Jesus both God and man at the same time. But why - Observer3 on Sep 27, 10:50 PM
      1. Observer3...rest assured, all true believers will have the last laugh :) - Guenter (EX=INC Bible Student) on Sep 28, 1:22 AM
        1. just proceed to the issue, Guenter, if u have any verse left. - Kumag Ka on Sep 29, 10:44 AM
          1. You don't understand them anyway, why bother? I'll see you crying on Judgment day. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Sep 29, 5:45 PM
            1. hahaha... that's the usual escape act of one who knows he couldn't win vs truth. - Kumag Ka on Sep 30, 1:10 PM
              1. You're like Tomas. What doesn't fit in your weird beliefs is either ambiguous or - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 2, 5:28 PM
                1. just go to the issue;where is the verse? - Kumag Ka on Oct 6, 7:58 AM
                  1. Hebrews 1:8; John 8:40. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 6, 4:23 PM
                    1. assuming, just assuming, jesus is god in heb1:8 and sure he said he's a man in John 8:40 - Observer3 on Oct 7, 9:25 AM
                      1. the man Jesus uttered statements which only God can truthfully say. - |Judie_84 on Oct 7, 11:16 PM
                        1. john 14:24 the word which you hear isn't mine but the Father's whch sent me. - Observer3 on Oct 7, 11:23 PM
                          1. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 12:11 AM
                            1. All that the Father has are mine. Still the words of a mere man? - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 12:14 AM
                            2. I own everything the Father owns. What belongs to God also belongs to me. can a mere man - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 12:15 AM
                            3. can a mere man utter those two profound statements kumago? - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 12:17 AM
                              1. try saying those kumago, just try uttering those words and see how you'd feel? hehe - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 12:18 AM
                          2. So what do you make of those statements? - You mean you are not going to obey Jesus? - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 12:12 AM
                          3. Do you obey Jesus or not? Is Jesus your Lord or not? 2 questions which you must answer. - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 12:13 AM
                        2. apart from me you can do nothing. - can a little boy like you say these words kumago? - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 12:20 AM
                        3. IDIOT, did any of those verses say he is god? stop guessing like tomas - Kumag Ka on Oct 8, 1:17 AM
                          1. you decide for yourself and stand by your decision. you're free, hehe. - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 5:24 AM
                      2. back to the issue: did any of your verse say he is BOTH god and man? - Kumag Ka on Oct 8, 1:15 AM
                        1. does it have to say BOTH? hehe. Did it say NOT BOTH? hahaha - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 5:25 AM
                          1. Of course, if he is "both", otherwise anyone would think he's man now - Kumag Ka on Oct 11, 3:36 PM
                      3. Just tell me where the Bible says Jesus became God AFTER he became flesh. Thank you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 8, 5:44 AM
                        1. Apostle Paul wrote Hebrews- didn't he know if Jesus is God or man? - Kumag Ka on Oct 11, 3:26 PM
                          1. Modern Bible scholars agree that the author of Hebrews is unknown. So much for that. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 11, 11:49 PM
                            1. paul's words in 1Tim2:5 is categorical; your heb 1:8 is so ambiguous and controversial. - Kumag Ka on Oct 15, 3:11 AM
                              1. Hebrews 1:* ambiguous and controversial? Who says so? It's clear to the one who can see, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 16, 10:54 PM
                                1. Guenter now is spinning, twisting the words of paul... lol - Observer3 on Oct 22, 2:24 PM
                                2. Proof that Hebrews 1:8 is ambiguous! You can't. Secondly, did you ever read Paul's letter - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 22, 3:08 PM
            2. Re: You don't understand them anyway, why bother? I'll see you crying on Judgment day. - Nom on Oct 1, 7:54 AM
              1. Well yes, Kumag is a sad example of a human being. Illiterate, but with a big mouth. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 12:28 AM
    8. "... my words will never pass away." was a mere man talking here kumago? - |Judie_84 on Sep 30, 1:48 AM
      1. try saying that kumago and tell me how you felt. can a mere man say that with all honesty? - |Judie_84 on Sep 30, 1:50 AM
        1. are those words not the words of a divine being (God)? tell us your answer kumago. - |Judie_84 on Sep 30, 1:52 AM
        2. Up kumago! - |Judie_84 on Oct 2, 1:47 PM
        3. kumago? where are you? - |Judie_84 on Oct 7, 10:54 PM
      2. Yes, Jesus is a man sent by God to preach His words, doctrines - Kumag Ka on Sep 30, 2:03 PM
        1. Re: Yes, Jesus is a man sent by God to preach His words, doctrines - Nom on Oct 1, 8:05 AM
        2. the falsepreacher with his salingpusa will never comprehend those simple verses.. - Kumag Ka on Oct 1, 11:32 AM
          1. comprehend? - Nom on Oct 2, 2:39 PM
            1. again no answer! bwahahaha, fsub idiot shut his smelly mouth! - Nom on Oct 6, 8:33 AM
        3. the First Adam was of the dust, the Second Adam, the Lord Jesus was sent by God the - |Judie_84 on Oct 2, 11:37 PM
    9. so, where's the verse, dude? none? hahaha - Kumag Ka on Oct 1, 11:34 AM
      1. John 1:1,14,18 - and the Word was God, was made flesh, who himself is God. - |Judie_84 on Oct 2, 11:21 PM
        1. he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant - |Judie_84 on Oct 2, 11:22 PM
      2. "... and the Word was fully God." John 1:1c (the NET Bible) - |Judie_84 on Oct 2, 11:38 PM
        1. IDIOT, did those verse say he is both? LOL - Kumag Ka on Oct 3, 2:23 PM
          1. So to you verse 14 means "God, the Word, became man only."? - |Judie_84 on Oct 3, 3:35 PM
          2. “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!” - |Judie_84 on Oct 3, 4:02 PM
            1. yeah that proves he is a man. but whre isthe word he is "both" God and man? - Observer3 on Oct 5, 10:54 PM
              1. as a boy, can you calm the wind and the sea kumago? hehehe - |Judie_84 on Oct 6, 2:28 AM
              2. the Most Devil Sent blogger here is "BOTH" a kumago and a bad observa2! LOL - |Judie_84 on Oct 6, 2:31 AM
                1. you satisfied now kumago? - |Judie_84 on Oct 6, 2:32 AM
              3. soooooo, where's the verse? none? then shut up.lol - Kumag Ka on Oct 6, 8:06 AM
                1. Is this an admission on your part that Jesus is God? - |Judie_84 on Oct 6, 11:53 PM
                2. try Hebrews 1:3. would that be enough? hehe - |Judie_84 on Oct 7, 12:02 AM
                  1. did that verse say anything that he is "both"? idiot! - Observer3 on Oct 7, 9:27 AM
                    1. a simultaneous truth does not always have to be stated with a statement which has the word - |Judie_84 on Oct 7, 11:04 PM
                      1. go back to the issue, don't muddle it- whre is the verse that says he is both - Observer3 on Oct 7, 11:18 PM
                        1. that is the big question kumago: whre is the verse, hehehe - |Judie_84 on Oct 7, 11:20 PM
                          1. YOU Idiot, if u have no verse then shut up! - Kumag Ka on Oct 8, 1:28 AM
                            1. so where's the verse now? hahaha. you've been hiding it from us for long. hehe - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 5:26 AM
    10. Is this an admission on your part that Jesus is God? - |Judie_84 on Oct 6, 11:54 PM
      1. i take this as an admission on your part that Jesus Christ is God. thank you. - |Judie_84 on Oct 7, 11:21 PM
      2. INC MINISTER EMMANUEL BLOWS HIS TOP IN NETWORK54 - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Oct 7, 11:25 PM
    11. You just admitted that Jesus is God, didn't you? - |Judie_84 on Oct 8, 5:28 AM
    12. Where is the verse which says that the Word who was God and was made man cannot be BOTH - |Judie_84 on Oct 16, 11:41 PM
      1. and whre is the verse that says the 3gods "cannot drink" coke in the same straw? lol t - Observer3 on Oct 18, 4:13 PM
        1. i'm talking to a kid here. hehe - |Judie_84 on Oct 21, 5:42 AM
      2. no proof yet to show JEsus is BOTH God and ma? haha ha ... shutup!! - Observer3 on Oct 21, 9:01 PM
     
  14. Anti-Trinitariens do not have any clue what "first-born" of all creation means. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 22, 6:06 AM
    1. "Firstborn", not so hard to understand, right Guenter? - Michael on Oct 22, 8:25 AM
      1. That's right, Michael. Let's see what lame excuses anti-trinitariens have in their arsenal - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 22, 2:26 PM
    2. did you say this firstborn creation also worships the Father, Guenter? - Observer3 on Oct 22, 2:28 PM
      1. Only while He was on earth, the man Jesus prayed to the Father. Now do your homework - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 22, 3:03 PM
      2. By the way, the verse doesn't say "firstborn creation". You need to modify the text to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 12:23 AM
     
  15. Truth: Christ has the power to resurrect himself after dying. Think about that. View Thread - Michael on Oct 14, 11:45 PM
    1. YOU LIED AGAIN- GOD RAISED UP JESUS BACK TO LIFE- ACTS 2:32 ! - Kumag Ka on Oct 15, 1:48 AM
    2. Acts 2:22- Only God can work wonders; God used Jesus to perform miracles. - Observer3 on Oct 17, 11:09 AM
    3. Some really says here Jesus lied in John 17:17-18.They actually don't believe in the Bible - Michael on Oct 17, 12:47 PM
      1. That's John 10:17-18, by the way, not John 17 - Michael on Oct 17, 12:47 PM
    4. Some obviously point to God as the one who resurrected Jesus, yet - Michael on Oct 17, 12:58 PM
      1. take the case of lazarus, why did Jesus pray, ask for help if he had the powe? - Observer3 on Oct 18, 4:06 PM
        1. that bolsters Jesus' statement when he said, "I and the Father are one." - |Judie_84 on Oct 22, 11:41 PM
          1. he who does not honor me, does not honor the Father. Kumago had been dishonoring the Son - |Judie_84 on Oct 22, 11:42 PM
            1. by saying that the Lord Jesus is not worthy of worship. - |Judie_84 on Oct 22, 11:43 PM
      2. Lazarus' resurrection has nothing to do with John 10:17-18 - Michael on Oct 19, 9:47 AM
        1. that shows vividly that Jesus asked help whenever he needed to perform a miracle. - Observer3 on Oct 20, 3:16 PM
          1. That proves that Jesus was sent by God the Father, and he came down to earth to - |Judie_84 on Oct 22, 11:40 PM
            1. Though he was in the form of God did not consider equality with God... - |Judie_84 on Oct 22, 11:47 PM
      3. SOMEONE here display what stupidity is, believin that the dead Jesus asked for God's help - Michael on Oct 21, 6:30 AM
      4. Jesus, the dead man, did not raise himself from the dead. God did! - INCquisitor on Oct 22, 12:38 AM
        1. Jesus said "I have the authority and power to take it back again" - Michael on Oct 22, 6:14 AM
    5. John 10:18 is SPURIOUS. Jesus had no reason to add - INCquisitor on Oct 18, 10:47 PM
      1. you who believes only what you want to believe is the one who is spurious! hehe - |Judie_84 on Oct 19, 3:39 AM
      2. Your trashing of Jesus' words in John 10:18 says it all. - Michael on Oct 21, 6:58 AM
        1. Re: Your trashing of Jesus' words in John 10:18 says it all. - INCquisitor on Oct 22, 12:55 AM
          1. Re: Your trashing of Jesus' words in John 10:18 says it all. - Michael on Oct 22, 7:14 AM
    6. Acts 2:22, 2:32 are crystal clear verses- are all these lies, mikey? - Observer3 on Oct 20, 3:15 PM
      1. And so is John 10:18 "I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again." - |Judie_84 on Oct 21, 2:20 AM
        1. his power is only God-given, a mere authority and "command that he received from-- - Observer3 on Oct 21, 9:00 PM
          1. If one is given the authority to raise himself back to life by God, and he is raised back - |Judie_84 on Oct 22, 3:08 AM
            1. without authority can he do that? No. With authority even ApostlePeter - Observer3 on Oct 22, 2:48 PM
              1. where did Peter come from? did he pre-existed like Jesus who was the Word, was with God in - |Judie_84 on Oct 22, 11:50 PM
                1. did the Apostle Peter claim deity like Jesus did? - |Judie_84 on Oct 22, 11:59 PM
                  1. whose son was Peter? whose son was Jesus? - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 12:00 AM
    7. Only if Jesus is Deity, can he actually have authority and power to raise himself to life. - Michael on Oct 22, 4:19 PM
     
 
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