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Re: Old and New Testament - 11

April 23 2017 at 12:35 AM
almario  (Login almario38)


Response to Re: Old and New Testament - 11

 
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Old and New Testament - 19


Truth not proven by “miracles”

Christ’s warning to His disciples:

Matt. 24:3 “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came
unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall
be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4And Jesus answered and
said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my
name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”

Matt. 24:23 “ Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or
there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets,
and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they
shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.”

Note that Christ was talking to His Disciples and not to the outsiders. Therefore
as it is written in Mark 4:34, Jesus had to explain to them the meaning of what
He says that are expressed in parables:

1. Nobody will ever say, “I am Christ” but rather referring to people who take the
role of Christ:

People who take upon themselves the authority to explain the word of God. Is not
the word expressed in parable and Jesus alone who can explain it to His Disciples?

Mark 4:34 “But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were
alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.”

People who appropriate the honor solely belonging to Christ:

Psa. 111:9 “He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his
covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.”

Matt. 23:8 “ But be not ye called Rabbi [or teacher, pastor, shepherd] :
for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. ”

2. Matt. 24:23 “ Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there;
believe it not.”

Are there not several “Christs” being preached ?

Some people say, “Jesus is only a man and not God,” and the derivative belief
that Jesus is only a mighty God for there is a greater or Almighty God.(Arian doctrine)

Others say, “Jesus is also the Father and the Holy Spirit,” and the derivative
belief that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit is only a force of God; and no
distinction is made of the “voice” of the Lamb from the “voice” of the Dragon
(Rev. 13:11). (Oneness or Jesus only doctrine)

Many say, “Jesus is both God and man, and the 2 nd person of the Holy Trinity.”
(Trinity doctrine)

 
    
Responses

  1.   There have indeed been people who have claimed "I am Christ". - Tomas on Apr 23, 2017, 1:48 AM
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  3.   Old and New Testament - 20 - almario on Apr 23, 2017, 4:00 PM
    1. Of course we should all reject Satan, but as far as the nature of Christ, he told us - Tomas on Apr 24, 2017, 4:15 AM
    2. Re: Old and New Testament - 20 - almario on May 4, 2017, 7:05 PM
      1. Old and New Testament - 22 - almario on Jun 20, 2017, 11:23 PM
        1. Certainly believing in Trinity or Oneness or Arianism does not mean preaching another - Tomas on Jun 22, 2017, 12:18 AM
          1. Re: Certainly believing in Trinity or Oneness or Arianism does not mean preaching another - almario on Jun 23, 2017, 6:33 PM
            1. Christianity continued to survive the medieval era in trinitarian churches. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2017, 7:34 PM
        2. Re: Old and New Testament - 23 - almario on Jun 22, 2017, 1:44 AM
          1. Yes, when we read the Bible, we receive spiritual discernment, since these are the word - Tomas on Jun 22, 2017, 5:45 AM
            1. Re: Yes, when we read the Bible, we receive spiritual discernment, since these are the word - almario on Jun 23, 2017, 3:47 PM
              1. Where was God when he manifested in the flesh? God was dwelling in Christ. - Tomas on Jun 24, 2017, 1:02 PM
          2. Old and New Testament - 24 - almario on Jun 23, 2017, 8:39 PM
            1. What Oneness preacher makes no distinction of the voice of the Lamb from the voice of the - Tomas on Jun 24, 2017, 1:10 PM
              1. Re: What Oneness preacher makes no distinction of the voice of the Lamb from the voice of the - almario on Jun 24, 2017, 10:07 PM
                1. Christadelphians are not Oneness, Jesus Only Christians. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2017, 10:11 AM
                  1. Re: Christadelphians are not Oneness, Jesus Only Christians. - almario on Jun 25, 2017, 5:15 PM
                    1. That is more correct, although Dynamic Monarchianism should not be confused with Arianism. - Tomas on Jun 26, 2017, 3:54 AM
            2. Old and New Testament - 25 - almario on Jun 26, 2017, 2:03 PM
              1. Old and New Testament - 26 - almario on Jul 3, 2017, 7:09 PM
                1. Yes, all shall know God, from the least to the greatest (Heb. 8:11). That will be - Tomas on Jul 5, 2017, 1:19 PM
                  1. Re: Yes, all shall know God, from the least to the greatest (Heb. 8:11). That will be - almario on Jul 6, 2017, 3:34 PM
                    1. 2 Cor. 6:2 has been mistranslated in KJV and some other Bibles, they added - Tomas on Jul 7, 2017, 7:18 AM
                      1. Re: 2 Cor. 6:2 has been mistranslated in KJV and some other Bibles, they added - almario on Jul 7, 2017, 6:25 PM
                        1. You should rely on the Greek text of the New Testament, and not on faulty translations - Tomas on Jul 8, 2017, 2:11 PM
                          1. Re: You should rely on the Greek text of the New Testament, and not on faulty translations - almario on Jul 8, 2017, 6:05 PM
                            1. The issue for the verse I mentioned that KJV is mistranslating is not bad Greek texts. - Tomas on Jul 10, 2017, 2:46 AM
                              1. Re: The issue for the verse I mentioned that KJV is mistranslating is not bad Greek texts. - almario on Jul 10, 2017, 8:11 PM
                                1. I know the KJV translators believed in soul salvation, but the problem is they did not - Tomas on Jul 12, 2017, 6:05 PM
                                2. Re: I know the KJV translators believed in soul salvation, but the problem is they did not - almario on Jul 12, 2017, 8:36 PM
                                3. The KJV translators were all members of the Church of England, so no wonder - Tomas on Jul 12, 2017, 10:34 PM
                                4. Re: The KJV translators were all members of the Church of England, so no wonder - almario on Jul 13, 2017, 12:10 AM
                                5. I don't deny they knew ancient Greek well, but still they were all members - Tomas on Jul 13, 2017, 3:58 AM
                                6. Re: I don't deny they knew ancient Greek well, but still they were all members - almario on Jul 13, 2017, 12:45 PM
                                7. We should all do our best to follow God's doctrines, as I do. - Tomas on Jul 14, 2017, 5:20 AM
                                8. Re: We should all do our best to follow God's doctrines, as I do. - almario on Jul 14, 2017, 9:43 PM
                                9. I know God from everything the Bible says about him. But the Bible does not say - Tomas on Jul 15, 2017, 3:09 PM
                                10. Re: I know God from everything the Bible says about him. But the Bible does not say - almario on Jul 16, 2017, 4:48 PM
                                11. Of course God's doctrine is pure, but we know only as much of his doctrine as - Tomas on Jul 17, 2017, 3:51 AM
                                12. Re: Of course God's doctrine is pure, but we know only as much of his doctrine as - almario on Jul 17, 2017, 10:11 PM
                                13. It will be a glorious appearing of both of them, of the great God, and of our Savior - Tomas on Jul 19, 2017, 7:56 PM
                                14. Re: It will be a glorious appearing of both of them, of the great God, and of our Savior - almario on Jul 19, 2017, 11:47 PM
                                15. So without a comma it is still the same meaning, the comma is optional. - Tomas on Jul 20, 2017, 5:51 AM
                                16. Re: So without a comma it is still the same meaning, the comma is optional. - almario on Jul 20, 2017, 3:27 PM
                                17. Of course now visually we can't see either God or his Son. But when they come - Tomas on Jul 21, 2017, 4:49 AM
                                18. Re: Of course now visually we can't see either God or his Son. But when they come - almario on Jul 21, 2017, 2:09 PM
                                19. Yes, they will appear. So yes, visually. Appearing means visual. We will be - Tomas on Jul 22, 2017, 2:00 PM
                                20. Re: Yes, they will appear. So yes, visually. Appearing means visual. We will be - almario on Jul 22, 2017, 4:10 PM
                                21. You misunderstand that verse, Eccl. 12:7. - Tomas on Jul 24, 2017, 3:57 AM
                2. Re: Old and New Testament - 26 - almario on Jul 15, 2017, 3:47 AM
                  1. Old and New Testament - w/correction - 27 - almario on Jul 15, 2017, 3:52 AM
                    1. Old and New Testament - 28 - almario on Jul 23, 2017, 3:40 PM
                      1. The devil is a necessary evil now, I agree, but not always, he will be destroyed - Tomas on Jul 24, 2017, 4:05 AM
                        1. Re: The devil is a necessary evil now, I agree, but not always, he will be destroyed - almario on Jul 24, 2017, 2:49 PM
                          1. So do you agree the devil will be destroyed, will not exist any more? - Tomas on Jul 26, 2017, 5:16 PM
                            1. Re: So do you agree the devil will be destroyed, will not exist any more? - almario on Jul 26, 2017, 7:59 PM
                              1. Yes, some Christians believe the devil and his fallen angels will suffer forever - Tomas on Jul 27, 2017, 5:09 AM
                      2. Old and New Testament - 29 - almario on Jul 24, 2017, 8:27 PM
                        1. Old and New Testament - 30 - almario on Jul 29, 2017, 4:06 PM
                          1. Old and New Testament - 31 - almario on Jul 31, 2017, 6:50 PM
                            1. Why do you put miracles of Jesus in quotes? Don't you believe those were - Tomas on Aug 3, 2017, 6:17 AM
                              1. Re: Why do you put miracles of Jesus in quotes? Don't you believe those were - almario on Aug 3, 2017, 9:04 PM
                                1. Don't you believe that Christ has the power to do miracles, such as literally raise - Tomas on Aug 4, 2017, 6:16 AM
                                2. Re: Don't you believe that Christ has the power to do miracles, such as literally raise - almario on Aug 4, 2017, 7:07 PM
                                3. You did not answer me clearly, if you believe Jesus literally raised some dead people. - Tomas on Aug 5, 2017, 3:35 PM
                                4. Re: You did not answer me clearly, if you believe Jesus literally raised some dead people. - almario on Aug 5, 2017, 9:23 PM
                                5. OK, you admit God changed a rod into a serpent. Do you admit also that Jesus - Tomas on Aug 7, 2017, 2:38 AM
                                6. Re: OK, you admit God changed a rod into a serpent. Do you admit also that Jesus - almario on Aug 7, 2017, 6:11 PM
                                7. OK, you don't have to believe that. But do you believe that Jesus was literally raised - Tomas on Aug 9, 2017, 6:10 PM
                                8. Re: OK, you don't have to believe that. But do you believe that Jesus was literally raised - almario on Aug 9, 2017, 9:15 PM
                                9. Sorry, if you don't believe in the literal resurrection of Jesus Christ, then you are not - Tomas on Aug 10, 2017, 7:24 AM
                                10. Re: Sorry, if you don't believe in the literal resurrection of Jesus Christ, then you are not - almario on Aug 11, 2017, 1:56 AM
                                11. 2 Cor. 3:6 can't be used to spiritualize away the resurrection of Christ, it is a warning - Tomas on Aug 11, 2017, 5:52 AM
     
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