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Athanasius was too divisive at the council of Nicea. He wanted the Catholic church

July 7 2017 at 6:51 AM
Tomas  (Login TomasSedlacek)


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to expel those who agreed with Arius. He must have thought that Arius and his followers preached another Jesus. So a big majority at the council of Nicea voted to condemn and expel Arius and his followers from the Catholic church, and to agree on the Nicene Creed, which says among other things that the Son of God is the very God of the very God, and that he is of the substance of the Father. And the council decided that the Catholic church anathematizes those who believe that there was a time when the Son was not.
Well, the council was wrong, the Son was created, so there was a time when he was not yet. And the Bible does not teach whether the Son is God, much less God of God, and whether he is of the substance of the Father. So theories like Trinitarianism and Arianism are plausible theories, but not proven by the Bible. People who hold such theories do not believe in another Jesus, they believe in the same Jesus of Nazareth as you and me believe, who is Lord, the Son of God, and Christ. Those who believe in another Jesus are people who insist that Jesus has come back, so they point at another person as being Jesus, as the Bible has warned that such people would come, who believe in another Jesus. Quite a number of false gospels are like that. The largest is probably the Kimbanguist church, with a number of millions of followers in Africa and a few members outside of Africa. They believe that the son of the prophet Kimbangu was Jesus Christ, the second person of the Trinity, who was on earth. He succeeded Joseph Kimbangu in leading the Kimbanguist church when Kimbangu died. Kimbangu apparently did not preach a false gospel, but when his son succeeded him, he soon announced himself to be Jesus Christ, and led the Kimbanguist church into apostasy. So sad, millions lost their salvation, by coming to believe in another Jesus. Joseph Kimbangu was a false prophet, therefore not saved, but the Bible does not claim that those who follow a false prophet are themselves unsaved. So Kimbangu brought many to salvation, and his son led them to apostasy.

 
    
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  1.   Re: Athanasius was too divisive at the council of Nicea. He wanted the Catholic church - almario on Jul 7, 2017, 8:31 PM
    1. Good verses. Heed them. - Tomas on Jul 8, 2017, 2:08 PM
      1. Re: Good verses. Heed them. - almario on Jul 13, 2017, 12:29 PM
        1. God owns his doctrines, we don't. I never claimed I own God's doctrines. - Tomas on Jul 14, 2017, 5:23 AM
          1. Re: God owns his doctrines, we don't. I never claimed I own God's doctrines. - almario on Jul 14, 2017, 8:59 PM
            1. Each Christian has his own doctrines, which is the best he can do in grasping - Tomas on Jul 15, 2017, 3:19 PM
              1. Re: Each Christian has his own doctrines, which is the best he can do in grasping - almario on Jul 15, 2017, 3:57 PM
                1. Yes, we have to search the scriptures, and try to understand them the best we can. - Tomas on Jul 15, 2017, 4:03 PM
                  1. Re: Yes, we have to search the scriptures, and try to understand them the best we can. - almario on Jul 18, 2017, 1:32 AM
                    1. Of course we can understand some doctrine, but not all the Bible. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2017, 8:05 PM
                      1. Re: Of course we can understand some doctrine, but not all the Bible. - almario on Jul 19, 2017, 9:25 PM
                        1. The first of all the commandments is in Mark 12:29-30: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God - Tomas on Jul 20, 2017, 5:59 AM
                          1. Re: The first of all the commandments is in Mark 12:29-30: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God - almario on Jul 20, 2017, 8:54 PM
                            1. I do my best to obey all the commandments, as best as I can understand them. - Tomas on Jul 21, 2017, 4:07 AM
                              1. Re: I do my best to obey all the commandments, as best as I can understand them. - almario on Jul 21, 2017, 2:18 PM
                                1. OK, for instance it has happened even since I got saved, that a few times - Tomas on Jul 22, 2017, 1:53 PM
                                2. Re: OK, for instance it has happened even since I got saved, that a few times - almario on Jul 22, 2017, 5:49 PM
                                3. Yes, when we sin, we must repent, or else we lose salvation, see - Tomas on Jul 24, 2017, 4:33 AM
                                4. Re: Yes, when we sin, we must repent, or else we lose salvation, see - almario on Jul 24, 2017, 2:46 PM
                                5. Of course remission of sins is necessary. And it happens when we believe and repent - Tomas on Jul 26, 2017, 5:20 PM
                                6. Re: Of course remission of sins is necessary. And it happens when we believe and repent - almario on Jul 26, 2017, 7:49 PM
                                7. For example in 9th grade I beat up terribly a classmate who was supposed to be - Tomas on Jul 27, 2017, 5:15 AM
                                8. Re: For example in 9th grade I beat up terribly a classmate who was supposed to be - almario on Jul 27, 2017, 7:12 PM
                                9. Only the gospel doctrines are necessary for salvation. - Tomas on Jul 28, 2017, 5:15 AM
                                10. Re: Only the gospel doctrines are necessary for salvation. - almario on Jul 28, 2017, 4:40 PM
                                11. You did not display 1 John 3, so I don't see whether that printing had italics in - Tomas on Jul 29, 2017, 4:20 PM
                                12. Re: You did not display 1 John 3, so I don't see whether that printing had italics in - almario on Jul 29, 2017, 11:18 PM
                                13. I know our God is one Lord and one God. And I love him. So no problem. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2017, 2:55 AM
                                14. Re: I know our God is one Lord and one God. And I love him. So no problem. - almario on Jul 31, 2017, 4:42 AM
                                15. Of course God's infallible words are the only judge if a person is saved. But - Tomas on Jul 31, 2017, 6:45 AM
                                16. Re: Of course God's infallible words are the only judge if a person is saved. But - almario on Jul 31, 2017, 8:30 AM
                                17. Don't worry, I was converted to become as a little child. I hope you were too. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2017, 8:07 AM
                                18. Re: Don't worry, I was converted to become as a little child. I hope you were too. - almario on Aug 3, 2017, 2:55 PM
                                19. I did not covet God's doctrines, to the contrary, I have tried to figure out God's - Tomas on Aug 4, 2017, 6:25 AM
                                20. Re: I did not covet God's doctrines, to the contrary, I have tried to figure out God's - almario on Aug 4, 2017, 4:13 PM
                                21. I search the scriptures, and as a result, I try to figure out God's doctrines, - Tomas on Aug 5, 2017, 3:43 PM
                                22. I sent this too soon. So I search the scriptures, and as a result, I try to figure out - Tomas on Aug 5, 2017, 3:46 PM
                                23. Re: I sent this too soon. So I search the scriptures, and as a result, I try to figure out - almario on Aug 5, 2017, 4:10 PM
                                24. God's doctrines are infallible. My and your doctrines are not infallible, we can all - Tomas on Aug 7, 2017, 3:06 AM
                                25. Re: God's doctrines are infallible. My and your doctrines are not infallible, we can all - almario on Aug 7, 2017, 4:23 AM
                                26. Of course you have your doctrines, as much as you deny it. And some of - Tomas on Aug 7, 2017, 6:13 AM
                                27. Re: Of course you have your doctrines, as much as you deny it. And some of - almario on Aug 7, 2017, 3:35 PM
                                28. We have God's words in our hearts, even though we don't remember them all. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2017, 6:45 PM
                                29. Re: We have God's words in our hearts, even though we don't remember them all. - almario on Aug 9, 2017, 11:55 PM
                                30. Of course the heart is deceitful above all things, so people of various religions - Tomas on Aug 10, 2017, 7:09 AM
                                31. Re: Of course the heart is deceitful above all things, so people of various religions - almario on Aug 11, 2017, 4:31 AM
                                32. So please don't preach any other gospel, such as that Jesus was not actually resurrected. - Tomas on Aug 11, 2017, 5:36 AM
                                33. Re: So please don't preach any other gospel, such as that Jesus was not actually resurrected. - almario on Aug 11, 2017, 3:49 PM
                                34. So please read the Bible, pray for wisdom, and realize that Jesus was really resurrected. - Tomas on Aug 12, 2017, 7:00 PM
                                35. Re: So please read the Bible, pray for wisdom, and realize that Jesus was really resurrected. - almario on Aug 12, 2017, 8:29 PM
     
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