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  1. EX-INC's doctrine of the one new man in Eph. 2:15. View Thread - Michael on Sep 10, 2014, 5:30 PM
    1. Wrong question! Christ did not reconcile the "one new man" to God - INCquisitor on Sep 11, 2014, 12:01 AM
     
  2. INC's main prophecy: felix is the "Cock from the Far East". lol View Thread - |Judie_84 on Sep 1, 2014, 11:21 PM
    1. that's why for emman, INC is true NO MATTER WHAT! - |Judie_84 on Sep 1, 2014, 11:22 PM
    2. did felix the cock really study religion in the US? in what school? - |Judie_84 on Sep 1, 2014, 11:25 PM
      1. was it in the Pacific School of Religion in its Berkely, California campus? - |Judie_84 on Sep 1, 2014, 11:27 PM
    3. emman, where are you? - |Judie_84 on Sep 3, 2014, 4:58 AM
    4. Re: INC's main prophecy: felix is the "Cock from the Far East". lol - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 4, 2014, 10:15 AM
      1. this Filipino dude is Scary looking - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 4, 2014, 10:39 AM
        1. Capt Seabird, Col ASP, Col Hijo, Airman Emmanuel, a Golden Nugget for you - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 10, 2014, 4:15 AM
    5. where's emman, the great INC defender hiding? lol - |Judie_84 on Sep 5, 2014, 1:37 AM
      1. Up emman! You who said you were not defeated on any topic in this forum! lol - |Judie_84 on Sep 8, 2014, 9:34 AM
        1. Up emman! - |Judie_84 on Sep 9, 2014, 1:04 AM
          1. Emmanuel's silence is deafening. Even INC Minister Jeremy C Robles is quiet as a Mouse - Generalfeldmarschall Desert Fox Erwin Rommel on Sep 10, 2014, 1:57 AM
    6. What really happened then? He fooled his church into believing he was enrolled in that - |Judie_84 on Sep 10, 2014, 12:02 AM
     
  3. Welcome to EVM Convention Center View Thread - ASP on Sep 9, 2014, 4:42 PM
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  5. INC, like most other churches, teaches a cruel God, who wants eternal torment View Thread - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 6:39 PM
    1. Consider these scriptures Tomas. - Michael on Aug 23, 2014, 7:46 PM
      1. I don't believe the torturers in Mt. 18 are meant literally, - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 9:01 AM
     
  6. What's the difference between an adopted son and begotten Son of God? View Thread - Michael on Jun 30, 2014, 7:20 PM
    1. trick question? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jun 30, 2014, 10:37 PM
      1. It's not OZZY. - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 5:30 AM
    2. The begotten son has authority over adopted sons - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 2014, 12:44 AM
      1. Is that the difference between one begotten and one adopted? - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 5:28 AM
        1. Jesus was the only man created by God through the Holy Spirit. - emmanuel on Jul 3, 2014, 10:47 AM
          1. So EMMAN, what is the difference between one begotten and one adopted? - Michael on Jul 3, 2014, 6:59 PM
            1. Haven't just answered that? - emmanuel on Jul 3, 2014, 7:30 PM
              1. Did you? Go nback to your post and see for yourself - Michael on Jul 3, 2014, 7:41 PM
                1. Thew difference, the Son was created through the Holy Spirit... - emmanuel on Jul 3, 2014, 7:49 PM
                  1. That does not tell the difference between a begotten and an adopted son EMMAN. - Michael on Jul 3, 2014, 9:19 PM
                  2. at some point, Eduardo Manalo will have to take a position in a sermon - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 4, 2014, 9:59 PM
                  3. Who begot you EMMAN? Did those who begot you created you? - Michael on Jul 31, 2014, 9:53 PM
                    1. such simple questions expose the lie EMMAN. That's why you find it hard to answer. - Michael on Aug 7, 2014, 9:38 PM
              2. And perhaps you can also answer - Michael on Jul 3, 2014, 7:45 PM
        2. UP for INCQUISITOR. What is the difference between a begotten and an adopted son? - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 8:24 PM
    3. We are not begotten by a begetting, by God fertilizing - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 12:57 PM
      1. I'm sorry to say, that does not answer the question Tomas. - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 9:03 AM
        1. But that is what I mean, like I was begotten by my father - Tomas on Jul 12, 2014, 2:00 PM
          1. What you say is clear and right Tomas, about one begotten and one adopted. And so, - Michael on Jul 12, 2014, 10:51 PM
            1. Yes, God begot His Son in Mary quite similarly like - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 1:14 PM
              1. Re: Yes, God begot His Son in Mary quite similarly like - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 5:16 AM
                1. God did not beget a human? - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:35 PM
                  1. Of course God didn't, Tomas. - Michael on Jul 29, 2014, 1:07 AM
                    1. Still, God begot a human, no matter what else the Son was. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 10:14 PM
                      1. Well then Tomas, your God begot a human. Not my God. - Michael on Aug 3, 2014, 12:21 AM
                        1. You are getting into some strange meaning of the verb beget, - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 1:56 AM
                          1. Not I Tomas, perhaps you do. - Michael on Aug 6, 2014, 8:39 PM
                            1. Anyway, let's discuss the matters . - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 9:56 AM
                              1. Re: Anyway, let's discuss the matters . - Michael on Aug 24, 2014, 1:20 PM
                                1. OK, in fact now we are coming to more agreement. - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 6:36 AM
      2. Re: We are not begotten by a begetting, by God fertilizing - Michael on Jul 14, 2014, 3:21 AM
        1. Yes, even these would be considered begotten. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 1:17 PM
          1. So Tomas, - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 5:29 AM
            1. Not necessarily a sperm, I can imagine God could have - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:40 PM
              1. You need not have to guess and imagine Tomas. - Michael on Jul 30, 2014, 12:36 AM
                1. So I guess you are even more radical than Guenter. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 11:06 PM
                  1. That is your opinion Tomas. - Michael on Aug 3, 2014, 1:51 AM
                    1. Well, you can't explain it, but you are dogmatic God has no genes. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 2:33 AM
                      1. Tomas, I have explained it. You just don't accept it. - Michael on Aug 7, 2014, 12:11 PM
                        1. I don't. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 10:32 AM
                          1. Re: I don't. - Michael on Aug 24, 2014, 11:33 AM
                            1. About begetting. - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 7:06 AM
      3. Tom admits God fertilized an egg of Mary, but he is too impaired to realize that the - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Jul 14, 2014, 10:16 PM
        1. Where do you see in the Bible that God is unable to beget - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 1:19 PM
          1. Where do you see in the Bible that God fertilized an egg? But John testified that Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 4:18 PM
            1. How else did Mary's egg become an embryo? - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 11:11 PM
              1. Again, where does the Bible say Mary's egg was fertilized? Doesn't God have other means to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2014, 5:45 PM
                1. Maybe not by sperm, God could have fertilized the egg by inserting - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:47 PM
                  1. You misunderstood and it seems you misunderstood on purpose. Yes, Jesus' human nature was - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 3:53 PM
                    1. I have told here repeatedly that we can't know if Jesus - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 10:30 PM
                      1. You're language impaired like INCquisitor. Nowhere does John say the Jews "claimed". - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 28, 2014, 3:44 PM
                        1. John wrote the unbelievers thought Jesus is God-but read also John 8:40 - Kumag Ka on Jul 29, 2014, 3:56 PM
                          1. Where do you see the word "thought" or "claimed" or "believed" in John - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 29, 2014, 9:51 PM
                            1. You didn't understand john 8:40 and you understand john 1:1? lol - Kumag Ka on Jul 30, 2014, 12:57 PM
                              1. Please take some English lessons. Thank you. I will pray for you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 30, 2014, 3:27 PM
                                1. the brain-damaged self-imposed language expert again eats the dust. lo; - Kumag Ka on Aug 1, 2014, 2:31 PM
                                2. Please not only take language lessons but also visit a dream interpreter. He will explain - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 1, 2014, 3:11 PM
                                3. HAhaha the usual escape route of one facing defeat. - Kumag Ka on Aug 4, 2014, 2:12 PM
                                4. Defeat? Keep on dreaming. But again, if "The thought was God" makes sense to you, so be it - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 4, 2014, 3:40 PM
                                5. defeat from you kumago? maybe too much annoyance, but defeat? es muy imposible. hehehe - |Judie_84 on Aug 5, 2014, 12:06 AM
                          2. see what Abraham did when he saw the Lord... Genesis 18 - |Judie_84 on Jul 31, 2014, 8:15 AM
                          3. That's why Jesus is both God and man. He was the Word who was with God in the beginning - |Judie_84 on Jul 31, 2014, 8:19 AM
                        2. Sigh, Guenter, we keep repeating our arguments on this. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 10:25 PM
                          1. John did NOT say that the Jews gave a reason. You're adding to the scriptures to make your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 1:26 AM
                    2. Guenter, whose immaculate conception do you refer to in your post? - Michael on Jul 30, 2014, 12:43 AM
                      1. I'm a little bit puzzled. Is there any other than Mary's? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 30, 2014, 3:30 PM
                        1. Thanks for the clarification Guenter. I thought you were still referring to Jesus. - Michael on Jul 30, 2014, 11:26 PM
                          1. The relevance is that God is the Father of the the baby Jesus. We just don't know in what - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 31, 2014, 5:20 AM
                            1. I understand what you're saying Guenter regarding monogenes. - Michael on Jul 31, 2014, 7:24 AM
                              1. Thank you for telling me that and making me curious. I'm not a Catholic, so I didn't know - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 31, 2014, 11:29 PM
                                1. You are most welcome Guenter. - Michael on Aug 1, 2014, 11:51 AM
                                2. Yes, the Catholics believe that if Mary were not sinless, - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 11:14 PM
    4. LOL..and there is one more: The appointed Son of God. Also in the Philippines, like the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 25, 2014, 2:26 PM
    5. Apparently this simple question at the OP is too hard to answer. I get it. - Michael on Jul 31, 2014, 8:49 PM
     
  7. TOMAS, INCers, INCquisitor: Does to beget means to create? View Thread - Michael on Jul 31, 2014, 9:56 PM
    1. Usually begetting leads to our creation by our parents, - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 11:28 PM
      1. Begetting does not lead to creation in a biblical sense. Begetting is reproduction - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 12:28 AM
        1. OK, if you want to redefine creation that way, - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 1:11 AM
          1. It IS important. Begetting doesn't mean anything else but reproduction of already created - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 2:49 AM
            1. OK, so we are not creatures, created. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 3:59 AM
              1. Yes, God could have done it ANY way He wanted to do it. But through the Apostles we know, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 4:10 AM
                1. Greek scholars argue, whether monogenes means unique, or - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 4:16 AM
                  1. No serious Greek scholar will ever say monogenes means anything else but begotten. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 6:03 AM
                    1. That's OK, he has strong opinions, some linguistsq - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 7:30 AM
                      1. Sure, God can do anything. But you dispute what the Bible says by implying monogenes - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 5:18 PM
                        1. The Bible says monogenes, it does not say what it means. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 2:10 AM
                          1. And I have to come back a second time because your language impairment is the source of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 10, 2014, 3:47 PM
                            1. It is like some words for birds in Hebrew. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 10:35 AM
                          2. Tomas, the Bible does not say what each written word means. - Michael on Aug 12, 2014, 8:56 PM
                            1. Michael..lol. Yes, ridiculous Tomas, as most of his "doctrines". LOL - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 15, 2014, 3:25 PM
                            2. Michael, we can understand almost every word, - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 10:38 AM
                              1. Yes Tomas. Simply a ridiculous way to refute. That's the point. - Michael on Aug 23, 2014, 10:46 PM
      2. So Tomas, you are saying that you were created by your parents? - Michael on Aug 8, 2014, 6:34 AM
        1. OK, God is the ultimate creator, but he uses what the couple - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 2:18 AM
          1. So Tomas, the begetting by your father does not mean your father creates, right? - Michael on Aug 12, 2014, 8:41 PM
            1. My father did not create me alone, he created me with my mother. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 10:44 AM
              1. Clear enough Tomas. God is ultimate creator. Man is a limited creator. Both are creators. - Michael on Aug 23, 2014, 10:44 PM
                1. I would rather say now that it depends on how the word 'create' - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 6:04 AM
     
  8. Philippine Arena monies View Thread - Horizon on Jul 22, 2014, 5:46 PM
    1. Tomas says building Arenas with thanksgiving offering is Not a Sin. Are you disturbed - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 23, 2014, 6:32 AM
      1. Bible Study Verse for Tomas. Let's teach Tomas about Mosaic Law. A Result is Pinas Arena - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 23, 2014, 6:57 AM
        1. Of course if we see that a Christian lives in sin, - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 3:09 PM
          1. COLONEL TOM, ARE YOU UNDER THE LAW? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 3:52 PM
            1. Haven't you read my answer already below? - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 6:29 PM
              1. you are full of wrong assumptions. Tom you won't answer my question - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 6:46 PM
                1. Yes, some Christians refused to recognize the revelation in Acts 15, - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 7:11 PM
                  1. you Lie Tom. The Law is Not abolished because the Law is Not abolished. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 7:25 PM
                    1. It is very clear for example in Colossians. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 8:38 PM
                      1. you don't understand the Gospel. Tom, The Law is Not abolished - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 9:54 PM
                        1. Mostly a Baptist church. They sure don't believe - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 10:11 PM
                          1. Tom, I never said Jews don't need the Gospel I just said I disagree with you when you said - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 10:21 PM
                            1. The covenant with Israel was replaced with the New Covenant. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 10:33 PM
                              1. what's the new covenant Tom between Jews and God? where is it in Old Testament? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 10:42 PM
                                1. The new covenant is for both Jews and gentiles. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 10:45 PM
                                2. I agree with you Tom that the New Covenant is Offered to the Jews - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 10:54 PM
                                3. The covenant with Israel was similarly based on faith. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 11:02 PM
                                4. Tom, the Bible contradicts you. Mosaic Covenant is not faith base, it is based on rules - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 1:42 AM
                                5. Tom is inventing information? Really? On top of having his own personal doctrines? Who - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 29, 2014, 4:44 AM
                                6. i like Tom's creativity though. Tom tried to claim that Mosaic Covenant is Faith-based - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 29, 2014, 4:50 AM
                                7. To tell you the truth, I haven't studied the Mosaic Covenant, but I trust your judgment - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 29, 2014, 10:03 PM
                                8. Come on, Ozzy, there are rules in all covenants, - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 8:09 AM
                                9. Tom, I don't know if you are being intellectually dishonest or that mis-informed - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 11:40 AM
                                10. We can't know how many rules there were in the Abrahamic - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 2:42 PM
                                11. Tom, you don't get it. The Abrahamic Covenant is not rule-based - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 10, 2014, 4:03 PM
                                12. We know Abraham had to obey God's rules, like circumcision, - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 2:09 PM
                                13. WRONG TOM. Stop saying that the Old Covenant and New Covenant are Law/Rule- based - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 23, 2014, 3:37 PM
                                14. You claim Abrahamic covenant required faith in Jesus? - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 5:40 PM
                                15. dude, The Word was foreshadowed and appeared before Abraham - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 23, 2014, 10:58 PM
                                16. Even if the Word did appear somewhere, still - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 2:22 AM
                                17. Tom, you don't understand about Grace (unmerited favor). But I won't try to persuade you. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 23, 2014, 11:04 PM
                                18. Unmerited? Seems to me like God gives his grace to those - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 2:28 AM
                                19. Hey Tomas: Heb 10:26 applies to those who received knowledge of truth - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 24, 2014, 6:35 AM
                                20. Your interpretation fails to deal with the last part - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 3:23 AM
                                21. it's true Tom. Faith alone suffices and Salvation can not be lost - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 7, 2014, 3:27 AM
                                22. You still have not dealt with the last part of the verse. - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 4:35 AM
      2. Yes - Horizon on Jul 23, 2014, 4:18 PM
      3. The entire process of collecting money for the enrichment of the Manalo family is a grave - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 25, 2014, 3:25 AM
        1. It is not for us to judge if the pastor enriches himself, - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 3:16 PM
          1. Tomas is blind, as usual. Many "elders" of the INC that I have talked to in the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 3:39 PM
            1. TOM HAS NOT SEEN HOMELESS KIDS IN MANILA AND RURAL MINDANAO FOLKS WITHOUT RUNNING WATER - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 3:47 PM
              1. Of course I know there is a lot of poverty in Philippines. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 6:03 PM
                1. Tom, Jesus made it Impossible to obey The Law. Why did Jesus do that? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 7:05 PM
                  1. HEY MICHAEL, YOU TOPIC ON JESUS BEING GOD is getting boring. we agree with you - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 7:15 PM
                    1. Michael, are you Now with your wife in an INC worship service now, waiting for Ed Manalo? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 7:40 PM
                    2. Sorry Ozzy, if the Deity of Christ topic now bores you. - Michael on Aug 24, 2014, 8:32 AM
                  2. It was impossible to keep the Law perfectly, without ever sinning, - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 7:22 PM
                    1. To My Jewish friends, that Tomas say God Abolished The Law - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 7:31 PM
                      1. I am not giving special thanksgiving offerings to any church, - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 8:43 PM
                    2. Tom, when you said The Law is Abolished, do you speak out of ignorance, intellectual disho - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 7:51 PM
                      1. Note the end of Mt. 5:18 'until all things are accomplished'. q - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 8:48 PM
                        1. I disagree with you Tom based on the Bible. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 10:04 PM
                          1. OK, we can agree to disagree on this. It is not important - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 10:14 PM
                            1. Tom, Revelation says The Jews will discard The Law and submit to Jesus - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 10:29 PM
                              1. Tom, when The Manalo family preaches the Jews are doomed, that's Replacement Theology - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 10:31 PM
                                1. Nobody is doomed now. If we die unsaved, we can accept - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 10:38 PM
                                2. so you admit that the Manalo theology on Salvation is Wrong. Manalos say Jews are doomed - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 10:44 PM
                                3. Yes, INC has this popular doctrine that nobody can be - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 10:47 PM
                2. How can you call ANY church that is being run like INC plus is teaching a different gospel - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 8:23 PM
                  1. It is teaching the true gospel. That is the only qualification - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 8:51 PM
                    1. Fact is, they don't teach that Jesus is equal with God. The gospel of John tells us that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 9:21 PM
                      1. You really believe we have to know everything in the gospel of John - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 10:05 PM
                        1. Tomas, Tomas, why do you say things like that? I wanted you to take a hard look at - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 28, 2014, 4:10 PM
                      2. that old prophecy that Felix Manalo's grandson is the last INC executive minister, - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 10:08 PM
                3. Tom, you really can not appreciate poverty in Philippines unless you walk Manila streets - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 5:54 AM
                4. Re: Of course I know there is a lot of poverty in Philippines. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 6:01 AM
              2. By defending INC's practices of robbing the poorest of the poor Tom does not even care - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 28, 2014, 10:56 PM
              3. By defending INC's practices of robbing the poorest of the poor Tom does not even care - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 28, 2014, 11:00 PM
      4. Colonel Tomas, HERE'S VERSE OF THE WEEK OF OUR ONLINE BIBLE STUDY. ARE YOU UNDER THE LAW? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 25, 2014, 6:35 AM
        1. Every saved person is under grace, so he should avoid - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 3:18 PM
          1. TOM YOU WONT ANSWER MY QUESTION. ARE YOU UNDER THE LAW? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 3:39 PM
            1. Of course not, even when the Law was still in effect, - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 6:14 PM
              1. Tom, you don't understand the Abrahamic Covenant - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 1:26 AM
                1. Tom doesn't understand the Bible, why would he understand the Abrahamic Covenant? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 29, 2014, 4:47 AM
                  1. Do you understand the Bible perfectly? Nobody can. - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 3:25 AM
    2. ARENA MONEY - PROMDI FORReAST on Jul 23, 2014, 7:23 AM
      1. Like Los Vegas - HiJo on Jul 23, 2014, 10:30 AM
        1. Re: Like Los Vegas - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 23, 2014, 2:34 PM
      2. Re: ARENA MONEY - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 23, 2014, 2:38 PM
        1. Re arena money - Horizon on Jul 24, 2014, 6:22 PM
    3. Maybe you should... - jhenry69 on Jul 23, 2014, 3:38 PM
    4. Re: Philippine Arena monies - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 23, 2014, 3:55 PM
      1. ARENA'S OTHER INCOME - PROMDI FORReAST on Jul 23, 2014, 11:32 PM
        1. ARENA INCOME II - PROMDI FORReAST on Jul 23, 2014, 11:43 PM
          1. that's funny, Admiral Promdi - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 4:09 PM
        2. Pope Francis is going to visit Manila. So is he going to preach at Philippine Arena? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 5:48 AM
    5. I like Colonel Tomas. When Tom is trapped in a corner, Tom just evades the question - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 4:02 PM
      1. Be patient, I was busy on another thread, I was not refusingq - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 6:17 PM
        1. Tom, Do you Submit to The Law? Tom, do you stay away from Thieves? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 10:11 PM
          1. No way, nobody should submit to the Law of Moses. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 10:21 PM
            1. exactly Tom, because we Submit to Grace. We do not Submit to The Law - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 10:25 PM
              1. All saved people are under grace. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 10:43 PM
                1. those atheist are funny. they're upset about Manalo inside-dirt discussion in this forum - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 10:47 PM
                  1. I guess they don't like rumors either. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 10:48 PM
                    1. Ed Manalo saw in this forum of pictures of his Human Trafficking INC ministers and cohorts - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 26, 2014, 10:56 PM
      2. Col Tomas, Here's the online Bible Study Topic for Next week - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 5:11 AM
        1. Col Kumag & Col Tomas, both of you are spreading A False Gospel - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 2:48 PM
          1. False gospel? For disagreeing with you about the Mosaic covenant? - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 8:14 AM
            1. Tom, you want to Lead the People back to The Law. you can do your thing, Man - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 11:50 AM
              1. Of course I don't want to go back to the law. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 2:50 PM
        2. this has nothing to do with a FILIPINO WHO ESTABLISHED A CHURCH - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 2014, 4:58 PM
        3. Future Bible Study Topic, Tom: Ministration of Death & Condemnation is 10 COMMANDMEMTS - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 29, 2014, 6:48 AM
          1. You are misinterpreting it. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 8:20 AM
            1. Wrong Tom. Paul is not saying what you are saying. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 3, 2014, 11:43 AM
     
  9. INC, like many other Christians, teaches an unfair God, who will not allow salvation View Thread - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 5:59 PM
    1. Tom, if you observe the lay of the land, most Christians including Catholics now teach the - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 23, 2014, 6:05 PM
      1. So he lovingly gives us grace, but that was not my point. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 6:16 PM
        1. your point was many Protestants believe in an unfair God. but you are Wrong Tom - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 23, 2014, 11:02 PM
          1. Well, it would be unfair not to allow salvation to decent - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 12:13 AM
    2. did you have a run-in with an INC minister? I notice the change in attitude - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 23, 2014, 6:09 PM
      1. No run-in, I still love INC just like I love other good churches. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 6:25 PM
    3. Tomas, man's ignorance does not render God unfair. - Michael on Aug 23, 2014, 8:08 PM
      1. That is a parable. The rich man represented those who committed - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 11:11 PM
    4. God and Divorces - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 23, 2014, 11:16 PM
      1. Hey Colonel Mzlplck, any Idea why Jodlas went into a Public outrage on the above link? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 24, 2014, 5:34 PM
    5. Colonel Tomas, Do you still Deny that The God of Israel was pierced? Zech 12:10 - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 24, 2014, 5:28 PM
      1. Colonel Tomas: It is Grace that saves, it is not works that will save people - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 25, 2014, 1:59 AM
        1. so INC Emmanuel, what do you think? Emmanuel, did you go back to the Catholic Church? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 25, 2014, 2:05 AM
          1. Well, INC teaches some truths that the Catholic church does not - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 11:50 PM
            1. INC has a celebration on Halloween. Mr. Ed's birthday - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 6, 2014, 11:56 PM
              1. Coincidence. They don't celebrate Halloween on thatq - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 12:20 AM
        2. Ozzy, yes, at the time of Armageddon, the people of Israel - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 11:40 PM
          1. what, Read Revelation, The Word returns on a horse. come on Tom. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 6, 2014, 11:57 PM
            1. So what? Zech. 12 does not say that God will return on a horse. - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 12:23 AM
          2. come on Tom. Zec 12 and Rev 19 is Armageddon. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 7, 2014, 12:03 AM
            1. So what? So the Father will do some stuff at Armageddon, - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 12:25 AM
              1. so you think Zech 12 and Rev 19 are different events? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 7, 2014, 12:34 AM
                1. The Father and the Son doing somewhat different things - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 12:52 AM
      2. Ozzy, it is clearly a copyist error in Zech. 12:10, - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 11:25 PM
        1. Tom, contact Dr Bock and he will tell you your copyist error theory is WRONG - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 6, 2014, 11:33 PM
          1. He is Jewish. So he has probably not studied - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 12:30 AM
            1. dude, Dr Bock teaches at the Dallas Theological Seminary & is main consultant on Passion - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 7, 2014, 12:36 AM
              1. So are you implying he is converted already? - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 12:58 AM
    6. Incquisitor: The Kingdom of God is NOT the church you are claiming: Luke 17:20-21 KJV - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 24, 2014, 7:11 PM
      1. Re: Incquisitor: The Kingdom of God is NOT the church you are claiming: Luke 17:20-21 KJV - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 24, 2014, 7:13 PM
      2. Incquisitor: The Holy Spirit does not dwell in your church-building. He dwells in you - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 25, 2014, 1:40 AM
      3. Incquisitor, here's a scholarly revelation from Dr. Ankerberg - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 25, 2014, 2:12 AM
        1. Jesus never said "I am God" because he said, "I am a man" (John 8:40) and - INCquisitor on Sep 6, 2014, 11:58 PM
          1. you are a Filipino, INCquisitor, aren't you? it's so obvious, man. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 7, 2014, 12:06 AM
            1. Do you know how to read? If you do, go to John 17:3 and find - INCquisitor on Sep 7, 2014, 12:11 AM
              1. hey dude, don't call people liars - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 7, 2014, 12:25 AM
     
  10. INCQUISITOR, EMMAN, TOMAS, Paul speaks of the mystery of God. View Thread - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 5:20 AM
    1. "Beware lest anyone cheat you through .... - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 12:23 PM
      1. The topic verse is Colossians 2:2, not 1 Cor. 2:7 - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 8:21 PM
        1. Tell me what you think is the mystery of God in Col. 2:2 so... - INCquisitor on Jul 5, 2014, 1:39 AM
          1. does the Old Testament speak about Christ's pre-incarnate Ministry? - |Judie_84 on Jul 5, 2014, 2:16 AM
          2. Do you not know? Read Col. 2, or even the whole epistle of Paul to the Colossians. - Michael on Jul 5, 2014, 4:59 AM
    2. Michael, I believe I can explain the mystery. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 12:42 PM
      1. Re: Michael, I believe I can explain the mystery. - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 9:26 AM
        1. As I have explained to you on the other forum, - Tomas on Jul 12, 2014, 1:46 PM
          1. As I have pointed out on the other forum - Michael on Jul 12, 2014, 10:58 PM
            1. Well, that is not necessarily true. The Bible does not - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 2:09 PM
              1. Seems you did not get my point. But anyway, getting back at the issue at the OP, - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 6:08 PM
                1. What you say is true, but in any case it does not mean - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 11:09 PM
                  1. Yes it is. - Michael on Jul 31, 2014, 9:05 PM
                    1. OK, so we disagree on whether Christ is God for sure. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 11:53 PM
                      1. Re: OK, so we disagree on whether Christ is God for sure. - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 6:23 PM
                        1. How the fullness of Deity dwelt in Christ before the incarnation? - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 6:46 PM
    3. This mystery of God Paul is speaking about, is revealed to Christians. - Michael on Jul 12, 2014, 11:04 PM
      1. Yes, plenty is revealed by God about Christ in the Bible, - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 2:11 PM
        1. And Christ is the express image of His person. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 4:35 PM
          1. That is a wonderful image. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 11:11 PM
            1. It sure is wonderful Tomas. But do you really wonder about it? - Michael on Jul 31, 2014, 9:35 PM
              1. I would say to the unbeliever, he would just go by - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 12:08 AM
                1. The Father of God? - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 6:42 PM
                  1. You say, the son of God is God, don't you? - INCquisitor on Aug 30, 2014, 12:36 AM
                  2. Michael, you are arguing illogically here. - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 5:15 PM
     
  11. Corporation View Thread - jodlas on Aug 25, 2014, 5:46 PM
    1. no one knows this information? - jodlas on Aug 30, 2014, 5:20 PM
      1. I don't know about Philippines, but certainly in America some denominations are - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 5:03 PM
     
  12. #1 INC CENTENNIAL Highlight: "You have LOST your SALVATION" You HAD it . Now you LOST it& View Thread - Eric on Jul 25, 2014, 10:53 AM
    1. EMAN: Can an INCer LOSE his or her SALVATION if they leave the FOLD of INC? - Eric on Jul 26, 2014, 1:01 PM
      1. I know INC will disagree with me, but I say it depends. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 1:25 PM
        1. You're right... - jhenry69 on Jul 28, 2014, 12:00 AM
          1. Not quite JHenry. - Michael on Jul 28, 2014, 10:11 AM
          2. Are you saying the Catholics or the Orthodox are not saved, - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 4:40 AM
            1. A comment Tomas. - Michael on Aug 6, 2014, 6:21 PM
              1. They actually pray to them without worshipping them. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 9:15 AM
                1. So Tomas, are you retracting what you say about praying? - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 6:02 PM
                  1. If I said that, I was not talking correctly. - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 2:05 PM
              2. A comment Tomas. - ThomasAquinas01 on Aug 29, 2014, 5:54 PM
                1. I think you misunderstood my statement there. - Michael on Aug 29, 2014, 11:51 PM
                  1. Catholics who consider themselves also Buddhist or Taoist, - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 2:12 PM
      2. Yes. - emmanuel on Jul 26, 2014, 8:40 PM
        1. WRONG! Once you ENTER the DOOR. You cant LOSE your SALVATION - ERIC on Jul 27, 2014, 3:17 AM
          1. God will judge outsiders. - emmanuel on Jul 27, 2014, 7:53 PM
            1. Re: God will judge outsiders. - jhenry69 on Jul 28, 2014, 12:02 AM
              1. anyone not found inside are outsiders. - emmanuel on Aug 29, 2014, 4:28 PM
                1. The INC itself is an outsider. It is not the church that Christ built. - INCquisitor on Aug 30, 2014, 12:39 AM
                  1. INC has a prophecy and it is the proof of being true. - emmanuel on Aug 31, 2014, 4:36 PM
                    1. Mistranslated bibles and out of context verses. - jodlas on Aug 31, 2014, 5:24 PM
                      1. What is your religion? And is your religion prophesied? - emmanuel on Aug 31, 2014, 5:34 PM
                        1. my religion? - jodlas on Aug 31, 2014, 8:56 PM
                        2. INC Emmanuel, you know Jesus did not establish a religion - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 1, 2014, 12:29 AM
                    2. do you know what Prophecy means? - jodlas on Sep 1, 2014, 7:36 PM
                    3. OMG INC has a Prophecy! Which means they are gullible! - jodlas on Sep 1, 2014, 9:06 PM
                    4. INC has a prophecy that's why most of its members are Bible-illiterates, lol - |judie_84 on Sep 1, 2014, 11:15 PM
                      1. Re: INC has a prophecy that's why most of its members are Bible-illiterates, lol - |judie_84 on Sep 1, 2014, 11:19 PM
        2. EMMAN, who do you say is the one that adds you to the church? - Michael on Jul 28, 2014, 10:15 AM
          1. With God's GIVEN permission, it can be done. - emmanuel on Jul 31, 2014, 6:21 PM
            1. With God's given permission? Can't you INCers answer properly simple questions? - Michael on Jul 31, 2014, 8:46 PM
              1. I'm talking about subtraction. - emmanuel on Aug 5, 2014, 6:41 PM
                1. really, what if almost all of the ministers of that church are wicked, accdg to their late - |Judie_84 on Aug 6, 2014, 12:35 AM
                  1. Don't make the figure of speech literal. - emmanuel on Aug 7, 2014, 5:49 PM
                    1. what figure of speech? is this not literal? were the wicked ministers expelled by - |Judie_84 on Aug 7, 2014, 11:23 PM
                    2. hahaha. the speech of the prophet's son was a mere "figure of speech"? - |Judie_84 on Sep 1, 2014, 11:31 PM
                      1. where's your conscience emman? how can you say that in public? - |Judie_84 on Sep 1, 2014, 11:32 PM
                2. So what if you are talking about subtraction? That is still not the question EMMAN. Hmm - Michael on Aug 7, 2014, 9:36 PM
                3. There definitely was a subtraction of a Female INC kadiwa congregant in Santa Maria CA USA - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 1, 2014, 12:34 AM
          2. EMMAN, in INC, it is the Manalos who adds believing recruits to the church. - Michael on Sep 1, 2014, 6:53 AM
      3. No, because the INC is not the true church that Christ will save. - INCquisitor on Aug 28, 2014, 11:18 PM
        1. You must learn to accept the correct understanding of INC regarding God's words. - emmanuel on Aug 31, 2014, 7:36 PM
          1. Re: You must learn to accept the correct understanding of INC regarding God's words. - INCquisitor on Aug 31, 2014, 11:21 PM
          2. You must accept the correct understanding? - Joey on Sep 1, 2014, 3:28 PM
        2. Praying is a form of worshiping. - emmanuel on Aug 31, 2014, 7:51 PM
          1. Praying to Jesus is DISHONORING Jesus. - INCquisitor on Sep 1, 2014, 1:21 AM
        3. INC is the ONLY religion that knows the correct meaning of the Bible. - emmanuel on Aug 31, 2014, 8:07 PM
          1. Blah blah blah - jodlas on Aug 31, 2014, 9:44 PM
          2. False statement! - INCquisitor on Sep 1, 2014, 1:50 AM
        4. Houses of worship is the temple of the name of God. Not God Himself. - emmanuel on Aug 31, 2014, 8:20 PM
          1. Offerings - jodlas on Aug 31, 2014, 9:45 PM
          2. hmm - jodlas on Aug 31, 2014, 10:23 PM
          3. EMMAN, is INC a Jewish sect or what? - Michael on Sep 1, 2014, 7:11 AM
            1. I've argued to Tomas many times that Erano Manalo put the INC under The Law - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 1, 2014, 2:21 PM
              1. what law are you saying? don't put words in my lips. - emmanuel on Sep 1, 2014, 6:33 PM
                1. Jewish law, which is called in the Bible as The Law - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 1, 2014, 9:09 PM
          4. Re: Houses of worship is the temple of the name of God. Not God Himself. - INCquisitor on Sep 2, 2014, 2:58 AM
     
  13. check this INC excerpt photo - churchy or what? no offense to persons in photo View Thread - ASP on Aug 29, 2014, 8:25 PM
    1. Fun not for everyone - Jodlas on Aug 29, 2014, 9:51 PM
    2. they don't look churchy to me. they look like they are looking for Boyfriends - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 30, 2014, 3:42 AM
    3. Col ASP, did INC Eduardo Manalo ban the Shorty-Shorts after they became a hot forum topic? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 30, 2014, 5:37 AM
      1. Col ASP, who are the enemies of the Cross? who is into earthly things? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 30, 2014, 2:43 PM
    4. Re: check this INC excerpt photo - churchy or what? no offense to persons in photo - ----- on Aug 30, 2014, 2:54 PM
      1. Hey INC Defender, do Spill the beans, please - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 30, 2014, 3:35 PM
    5. ASP: Come ON. get ur mind out of the gutter. Just girls in shorts - Eric on Sep 5, 2014, 2:22 PM
      1. my mind was not in the gutter - it was just odd INC allowed the photo - ASP on Sep 5, 2014, 4:12 PM
        1. Does this really surprise anyone... - jhenry69 on Sep 5, 2014, 4:58 PM
          1. Money is really only their secondary goal. their primary goal is BOOTY Action. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 6, 2014, 11:45 AM
          2. Money is really only their secondary goal. their primary goal is BOOTY Action. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 6, 2014, 11:45 AM
            1. oh by the way incidentally without going on a tangential discussion - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 6, 2014, 11:57 AM
     
  14. 100k new bible students? BS? View Thread - Horizon on Sep 1, 2014, 7:28 AM
    1. Didn't you know that INC ministers are masters at lying? - INCquisitor on Sep 2, 2014, 3:08 AM
      1. Just calling out the fat man on his lies. - Horizon on Sep 2, 2014, 9:48 AM
    2. Nothing here in OZ - No helicopter fly past planned by Mr Ed the non talking executive min - HiJo on Sep 2, 2014, 3:45 AM
    3. are they really asking the Manalista congregants for more money/offerings again? - Generalfeldmarschall Desert Fox Rommel on Sep 2, 2014, 5:20 AM
      1. He used up all the thanksgiving monies - Horizon on Sep 2, 2014, 9:52 AM
        1. I kinda think EVM distributed this particular lesson on purpose - ASP on Sep 2, 2014, 9:19 PM
          1. Colonel ASP - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 4, 2014, 3:48 AM
            1. He is truly working hard - Horizon on Sep 4, 2014, 3:17 PM
            2. goody-bags were needed because words of God alone cannot convert locals in South Africa - ASP on Sep 4, 2014, 7:08 PM
              1. Colonel ASP, Lord Jesus answered your (& other's) prayers that Mr. Ed visit Africa - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 4, 2014, 7:41 PM
              2. Cheap goody bags too - Horizon on Sep 4, 2014, 7:41 PM
                1. Sir INM Horizon, are you and Sir ASP kinda neighbors? I want to move to your neighborhoods - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 4, 2014, 7:45 PM
                2. why have goodie bags at all? - jodlas on Sep 4, 2014, 9:40 PM
                  1. goodie bags will attract the Small-Minded recruits who will Hail Mr. Ed in the future - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 5, 2014, 12:44 AM
     
  15. Roman visit of Mr. Ed View Thread - Horizon on Sep 4, 2014, 3:23 PM
    1. maybe EVM plans to have an Italian super-car built for him :) - ASP on Sep 4, 2014, 4:09 PM
    2. the purpose of the Rome visit - jodlas on Sep 4, 2014, 4:24 PM
      1. Or maybe - Horizon on Sep 4, 2014, 5:39 PM
        1. The Pope renting the philippine arena..... - jodlas on Sep 4, 2014, 6:02 PM
          1. Court jester - Horizon on Sep 4, 2014, 7:46 PM
    3. are these ordinations held outside Philippines the new INC trend? - ASP on Sep 4, 2014, 5:11 PM
    4. what about EVM will build another factory in Philippines to make Italian hand-bags? - ASP on Sep 4, 2014, 5:14 PM
      1. LV vs EVM - jodlas on Sep 4, 2014, 5:23 PM
     
  16. Mister Ed View Thread - jodlas on Sep 4, 2014, 4:26 PM
    1. But mr. Ed was like able. - Horizon on Sep 4, 2014, 5:38 PM
      1. entertaining? - jodlas on Sep 4, 2014, 6:36 PM
     
 
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