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  1.   Who is more ignorant of the Bible, Catholics or INCs? choose one only. hehehe View Thread - |Judie_84 on Dec 13, 2014, 10:29 AM
    1. The INC administration is not ignorant. They are purposely lying about the truth in the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 3:45 AM
      1. Is is a lie when INC say the Father is the only true God? John 17:3, Malachi 2:10 ... - emmanuel on Dec 14, 2014, 4:19 AM
        1. No, of course it's not a lie. The INC lie is that the Son and the Holy Spirit are not. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 5:25 AM
          1. So then your belief that the Son and Holy Spirit are God is a lie. - emmanuel on Dec 14, 2014, 5:40 AM
            1. Here is your problem, you're citing verses that do not say that. There are many other - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 15, 2014, 2:26 AM
              1. You are good of accusing of me hiding the truth. Why don't you show... - emmanuel on Dec 15, 2014, 2:37 AM
                1. Now you not only have one problem, you opened an entire can of your problems. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 15, 2014, 5:02 PM
                  1. The old testament doesn't even mention the name Jesus. - emmanuel on Dec 20, 2014, 1:44 AM
                    1. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." The Word - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 2:16 AM
                    2. the Old Testament testify about Jesus and his pre-incarnate ministry! - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 2:18 AM
                      1. There was no Jesus God in the beginning. - emmanuel on Dec 20, 2014, 2:32 AM
                        1. There was the Word who was God in the beginning, and was made flesh in the person of Jesus - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:30 AM
                        2. Jesus said the Scriptures (Old Testament) testify about him. - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:31 AM
                          1. Abraham saw Jesus and was glad. Before Abraham was born, Jesus already existed as the - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:34 AM
                            1. DO NOT PUT WORDS IN JESUS'S MOUTH - Chris on Dec 20, 2014, 5:18 AM
                              1. "No one has ever seen God." - the Gospel of John - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 2:33 PM
                                1. WORD misinterpreted - Chris on Dec 20, 2014, 3:08 PM
                                2. do not act as if those words in the Bible which were not uttered directly by the Son are - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 12:54 PM
                                3. God the Father himself called the Son "God" and "Lord", through whose hands wer - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 1:03 PM
                                4. When did that happen? - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 3:24 PM
                                5. Christ holds the TRUTH. - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 2:23 PM
                                6. Re: Christ holds the TRUTH. - Karlos on Dec 21, 2014, 2:54 PM
                                7. Please clarify - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 3:16 PM
                                8. The Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath. He is the coming King and Lord who will reign - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 3:16 PM
                                9. what is your comment on john 8:24? - Karlos on Dec 21, 2014, 2:56 PM
                                10. John 8:18 - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 3:20 PM
                        3. You're such a cheap liar. Where is the word "plan" in scriptures, especially John 1:1? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 20, 2014, 4:39 AM
                          1. Where is the word Jesus? - emmanuel on Dec 20, 2014, 4:42 AM
                            1. hehehe. you don't know where? did not the Word become flesh in the person of Jesus? - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 2:34 PM
                              1. verse 17 "... grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 2:37 PM
                            2. First of all, you never ever respond to a question with another question. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 20, 2014, 8:29 PM
                    3. “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 2:21 AM
                      1. I AM - Chris on Dec 20, 2014, 1:14 PM
                        1. a lecture on which is literal and which is metaphor is in order. someone is confused hehe. - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 2:41 PM
                          1. AD HOMINEM - Chris on Dec 20, 2014, 3:11 PM
                            1. you need to study the Bible more. learn more. attack Christ less. demean him less. - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 1:18 PM
                              1. Look who's talking again... - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 2:14 PM
                                1. it's you who is demeaning Christ by saying he is a mere creature. you are demeaning the - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 3:09 PM
                                2. Catholic false teachings - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 3:28 PM
                            2. sumpaktum alabama. hahaha. you sound so scholarly with your AD HOMINEM. LOL - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 1:19 PM
                            3. you're trying to intimidate me with your Latin? hehe - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 1:20 PM
                              1. let's use reason...no ad hominem... - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 2:17 PM
                          2. there are things in the Bible which should not be taken literally such as the metaphor - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 1:16 PM
                        2. the WORDS SPOKEN BY GOD... and about the Son, he said: "Thy throne, O God, is forever and - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 1:31 PM
                          1. WHO SAYS WHO IN THOSE VERSES??? - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 3:35 PM
                        3. Chris Ponce, what it take to make you believe that Abraham saw Jesus? - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 1:36 PM
                          1. "... the Word was with God" - was this not talking about Jesus' pre-existence? - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 1:39 PM
                            1. WORD was, NOT the Christ was... - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 2:39 PM
                              1. the Word was God. he became Jesus Christ. the Word created all things. only God can made - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 2:50 PM
                                1. DONT PUT WORDS IN OTHER'S MOUTH - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 3:39 PM
                          2. Christ is the SON OF GOD, NOT God the Son - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 2:28 PM
                            1. he who has seen me has seen the Father as well. can a mere man say that? - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 2:51 PM
                              1. Christ is not a MERE MAN like you and me... - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 3:12 PM
                                1. yes, there is only one true God the Father. one God the Son and one God the Holy Spirit! - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 3:18 PM
                                2. FALSE - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 3:41 PM
                                3. the Word, before he was made man in the person of Jesus Christ, was God. - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 3:21 PM
                                4. the WORD was God - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 3:48 PM
                            2. "all things were made through him" does this not imply that he preceded his creation? - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 3:00 PM
                              1. "All things were made through him, and for him." is it not a beautiful attestation to his - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 3:05 PM
                                1. JESUS WAS FOREKNOWN BY GOD - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 4:07 PM
                    4. emman, you do not know that truth, you cannot accept that truth for you are not of the - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 2:24 AM
                      1. felix, "the Cocky False Preacher from the Far East"! - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 2:25 AM
                        1. he was a cocky Cock, was not he? - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 2:26 AM
                    5. LOL neither testament mentions fym or any of the manalo dynasty rulers. - Jodlas on Dec 20, 2014, 3:02 AM
                      1. Oh wait. The bible does mention false prophets. Guess it did mention the manalos after all - Jodlas on Dec 20, 2014, 3:03 AM
                    6. you are but a man emma. how can you be so disrespectful of the Lord Jesus - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:48 AM
                      1. by saying he is but a creature, a mere man like you and your cocky Cock from the Far East - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:49 AM
                        1. the Messenger of the Last Nights! hahaha... - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:50 AM
                          1. reverence the Son, emma. i mean emman. - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:51 AM
                      2. reverence the Son... - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:52 AM
                        1. That they may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:52 AM
                          1. called God his Father, making himself equal with God! - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:53 AM
                            1. I and the Father are one. - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:53 AM
                              1. TRUE followers are ALSO ONE with the Father and Christ Jesus - Chris on Dec 20, 2014, 2:12 PM
                                1. long before the Word who was God became man, he was already one with the Father. The true - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 1:12 PM
                                2. WORD manifested - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 4:33 PM
                    7. You didn't refute any of my statements. Instead, you have to hang on the name "Jesus". - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 20, 2014, 4:31 AM
        2. FALSE INC doctrines - Chris on Dec 17, 2014, 3:33 PM
          1. the INC is just after your money. a money hungry church... - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:31 PM
          2. What is your religion? - emmanuel on Dec 20, 2014, 4:40 AM
            1. Define religion - Chris on Dec 20, 2014, 1:32 PM
              1. So, you have no religion of an 'established organization. - emmanuel on Dec 21, 2014, 12:13 AM
                1. Bible - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 4:20 AM
                  1. But you are not of any church? - emmanuel on Dec 21, 2014, 4:23 AM
                    1. Affirmative - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 4:52 AM
            2. Is INC the one true church of Christ? - Chris on Dec 20, 2014, 1:38 PM
              1. No, INC is just a small part of the true church of Christ. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 5:24 PM
              2. I reaaly do believe INC is the true Church of Christ. - emmanuel on Dec 21, 2014, 12:17 AM
                1. self-serving interpretations - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 4:32 AM
                  1. There will be. Jesus was already a shepherd. There will be one shepherd. - emmanuel on Dec 21, 2014, 4:39 AM
                    1. Understand the context - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 4:55 AM
                      1. Believe what you want to believe. But your belief is not guided by the Holy Spirit. - emmanuel on Dec 21, 2014, 5:15 AM
                      2. Believe what you want to believe. But your belief is not guided by the Holy Spirit. - emmanuel on Dec 21, 2014, 5:16 AM
                        1. WHO TOLD YOU? - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 4:13 PM
              3. I reaaly do believe INC is the true Church of Christ. - emmanuel on Dec 21, 2014, 12:17 AM
                1. INC MIND SETTING - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 4:50 AM
                  1. It is the matter of denying oneself for the glory of God. - emmanuel on Dec 21, 2014, 5:38 AM
                    1. Which LEADERS should we follow? - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 3:02 PM
    2. look, who's the idiot is talking? lol - Observer3 on Dec 17, 2014, 10:51 PM
      1. Christ was alive when the world began, - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:20 PM
        1. Before anything else existed, there was Christ, with God - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:22 PM
          1. FALSE INTERPRETATION - Chris on Dec 20, 2014, 2:05 PM
            1. Christ was created right in the beginning, so he was with God - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 2:54 PM
              1. check your premise - Chris on Dec 20, 2014, 3:19 PM
                1. The Father can create another person in the Godhead. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 3:31 PM
                  1. The FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD - Chris on Dec 20, 2014, 4:59 PM
                    1. He sure is the only true God, but no verse says that he alone is the only - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 5:21 PM
                      1. CONFUSION cleared - Chris on Dec 21, 2014, 4:22 PM
      2. You should not nominate yourself Observa3. you know a few more verses than they do. hehe - |Judie_84 on Dec 18, 2014, 12:13 AM
    3. the question is WHO? it could also be you but you're very good at twisting the meaning of - |Judie_84 on Dec 18, 2014, 10:59 AM
      1. Let's add another choice. Let's add kumago/observer3. hehehe - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:36 AM
        1. Among the Catholics, INCs and kumago/oberver3, who is most ignorant of the Bible? hahaha - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:37 AM
          1. Please pick just one among the three and explain your answer. LOL - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:38 AM
            1. emman, the hardheaded defender of the INC could also be a good choice. - |Judie_84 on Dec 20, 2014, 3:41 AM
          2. Kumago and Observer3 are terrible, if they don't like something - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 3:43 PM
     
  2. Chris Ponce, who or what convinced you that Jesus is not God after all? View Thread - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 1:41 PM
    1. being a former Catholic apologist. who told you that the Word was not God? - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 1:42 PM
      1. do 1 Peter 1:19-20 and Revelation 13:8 prove that the Word was not God? - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 2:03 PM
    2. can we know the root of all these evil beliefs of yours? who taught you that Jesus is not - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 2:54 PM
      1. Do the phrase "that they may know you, the only true God" say or mean Jesus is not God? - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 2:55 PM
        1. Does that mean the Word who was with God in the beginning, and was declared by John to be - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 2:58 PM
    3. Chris Ponce, where's your reason? - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 3:12 PM
    4. When did you leave the Catholics and what's your religion now? - |Judie_84 on Dec 21, 2014, 3:13 PM
     
  3. Wow, I have just updated this thread below, beginning View Thread - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 8:01 PM
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  5.   Fine, you again testify your horrendous lack of knowledge when it comes to Greek grammar. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 7:17 PM
    1. GREEK STUDIES - PROMDI FORReAST on Jul 19, 2014, 7:35 PM
      1. Good questions. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 8:02 PM
        1. That professor was surely a trinitarian Christian. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 8:17 PM
          1. The guy is not even Christian...nice try, Tomas. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 8:22 PM
            1. OK, so he was influenced in his analysis of John 1:1 by trinitarian - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 8:38 PM
              1. Nice try again, Tomas. This man knows Greek grammar!!! You're just guessing. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 8:43 PM
                1. Of course he knows Greek grammar, but he could have been - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 8:53 PM
                  1. Tom, here comes another nail for your coffin. I just read this on one of the websites I - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 9:05 PM
                    1. The Bible translators of course did not dare to write that, - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 9:14 PM
                      1. Arius WAS a heretic. It's good you're citing him for your defense. That tells us finally - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 9:36 PM
                        1. It is wrong to call a Christian a heretic, just because you disagree - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 10:26 PM
                          1. If you'd know the definition of heretic, you wouldn't even THINK of saying what you said - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2014, 6:07 PM
                            1. The four canonical gospels? I have not seen even a hint - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 1:32 PM
                              1. What the Apostles preach are not weak hints. They were inspired by God to clearly say on - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 4:55 PM
                                1. Well, for example John 3:16 is a hint that Jesus might not be God, - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 5:13 PM
                                2. Here is where your confusion is, again. John 3:16 gives a hint that Jesus might not be - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 7:18 PM
                                3. The genes of God that fertilized Mary's egg might not - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 7:29 PM
                                4. You're going again by what is NOT and not, by what is. You're again adding to the Bible by - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 28, 2014, 6:15 PM
                                5. I think it is at least likely that Jesus was a man like you and me,q - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 2:23 PM
                                6. You don't understand that genes are not a physical matter at all, like your thought. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 2, 2014, 6:45 PM
                                7. At least in biology, genes are always physical. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 3:05 AM
                                8. Keep on dreaming! Any father transmits the genes of the species to his offsprings. If your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 3:25 AM
                                9. In biology, the species is transferred to the offspring, unless - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 3:45 AM
                                10. And voila, "monogenes" is a lie! Good luck on Judgment Day, Tomas. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 4:54 AM
                                11. Monogenes is true, but you are deriving an unbiblical - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 7:16 AM
                                12. OK, you dropped your definition of "unique" for monogenes. That's a good start. Trinity IS - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 6:08 PM
                                13. True Christians are not infallible in all topics in the Bible but they are one in - |Judie_84 on Jul 31, 2014, 4:15 PM
                                14. No, they are not one on this issue either. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 2:27 PM
                                15. Judie said "true" Christians are one. And that is the truth. Untrue or wannabe Christians - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 12:37 AM
                                16. I keep repeating, deity of Christ has nothing to do q - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 3:21 AM
                                17. OK, you're right. You're saying God is stupid by giving us clarification about the nature - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 3:29 AM
                                18. God is so smart, you misunderstand him. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 3:49 AM
                                19. There are no contradictory verses in the Bible. And if you are in command of good grammar, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 4:52 AM
                                20. I believe too that there are really no contradictions - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 7:05 AM
                                21. You're adding to what I said as your adding to the scriptures. I never said and never will - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 6:17 PM
                                22. Well, you said that if you know grammar, you can understand - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 4:44 PM
                                23. to know Christ does not mean we have to know his true nature as well? hehehe - |Judie_84 on Aug 4, 2014, 4:13 AM
                                24. His basic nature is secret, so no need to worry about it. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 4:48 PM
                                25. this guy Tomas uses Lk 10:22 erroneously to try to prove that we are not supposed to know - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 11:30 PM
                                26. I don't ignore the first part, but it is not relevant to the point, - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 12:25 AM
                                27. You're absolutely correct. Tomas does not realize that the Bible is telling us enough - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 12:52 AM
                                28. So tell me then, what do you know about the Father that - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 1:01 AM
                                29. I told you, I don't know if Jesus ever wanted to get married or not. I told you, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 3:00 AM
                                30. But you know all these things about the Father? - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 3:16 AM
                                31. How can anyone do that? I only can tell you WHAT I know, but how do I know what I don't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 4:39 AM
                                32. Well, I was able to do that. So I saw that Jesus was right. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 4:44 AM
                                33. You're amazing. You can't answer my questions, but you have proof. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 5:06 AM
                                34. Come on. John was not lying, he was reporting - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 7:12 AM
                                35. LOL, that's the fourth version about Thomas' "MY Lord and my God" I am hearing. You're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 6:13 PM
                                36. In John 5:18, it is assumed that John was writing about the claims - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 1:53 PM
                                37. It is not necessary for salvation to believe in Jesus? Get outta here! And you're not to - Guenter (EX=INC Bible Student) on Sep 27, 2014, 11:14 PM
                                38. You are twisting my words. Of course it is necessary - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 11:41 PM
                                39. You don't believe in the report of John. Basta. Not twisting of words, it's what you said. - Guenter (EX=INC Bible Student) on Sep 28, 2014, 12:09 AM
                                40. OK, John 5:18, I thought we were talking about another verse. - Tomas on Sep 28, 2014, 12:25 AM
                                41. It has been revealed to true Christians, just not to cults like INC, JW and others. - Guenter (EX=INC Bible Student) on Sep 28, 2014, 12:38 AM
                                42. Oh, you are again being divisive, thinking that belief - Tomas on Sep 28, 2014, 6:28 AM
                                43. It's you who is being divisive towards 2 billion true Christians. Give it up, Tomas. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Sep 28, 2014, 11:22 PM
                                44. I am not divisive. I love saved Catholics, Protestants etc. as my brethren - Tomas on Oct 11, 2014, 7:18 PM
                                45. By defending cults and the wrong faith? Yeah right! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 11, 2014, 10:07 PM
                                46. I don't defend any false gospels. I defend and love all good - Tomas on Oct 25, 2014, 11:56 PM
                                47. In your dreams. You're defending INC, a cult that is using psycho terror. Many former INC - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 26, 2014, 5:27 PM
                                48. So any psycho terror doctrines of INC or RCC are invalid, - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 8:32 AM
                                49. The RCC a terror organization? I gave you my response to your ridiculous statement - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 8, 2014, 10:24 PM
                                50. Well, in a way. - Tomas on Dec 7, 2014, 12:27 AM
                                51. Not in a way. TheFACT is: INC is a terror organization that has no room in Christ's church - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 7, 2014, 4:18 PM
                                52. So just because unsaved leaders terrorize the Christians in INC, - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 7:26 PM
                          2. heretic is like Tomas who teaches that we cannot know if... until the LORD comes. hehehe - |Judie_84 on Jul 25, 2014, 3:30 PM
                            1. and the Pest in this forum is no other than kumago who denies that Jesus is the Son of God - |Judie_84 on Jul 25, 2014, 3:32 PM
                            2. Judie, Paul himself said we see through glass darkly, - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 1:34 PM
                              1. did they apostle say we cannot know now whether Jesus is God or not? - |Judie_84 on Jul 31, 2014, 12:30 AM
                                1. Did Paul think Jesus was God? - |Judie_84 on Jul 31, 2014, 4:35 PM
                                2. No!! Unless you want to twist 1 Tim 2:5, 1 Cor 8:6. - Kumag Ka on Aug 2, 2014, 12:20 PM
                                3. the Lord is God. can you beat that? hahaha... - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 1:11 PM
                                4. who is the angel of the Lord, who is himself Lord and is called God as well? - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 1:14 PM
                                5. this dumbbell could not even answer his own question. lol - Kumag Ka on Aug 2, 2014, 1:27 PM
                                6. so you really know who was that angel of the Lord? He was the God of Abraham, Isaac and - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 1:52 PM
                                7. do you now agree kumago? - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 2:32 PM
                                8. The Lord is God. He gives eternal life to those who believe that he is the Messiah, - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 1:55 PM
                                9. He might be God. But you are absolutely right, that he gives eternal life - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 2:51 PM
                                10. you might be correct... or mistaken. lol - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 3:07 PM
                                11. refute the article kumago. don't just dismiss it with a sentence or two. - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 2:34 PM
                                12. Judie, the apostles surely must have said sometimes - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 2:38 PM
                                13. in case you are not sure of a lot of things, speculate, rather than looking at similar - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 2:57 PM
                                14. I am not speculating, I am totally sure we can't know if Jesus - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 3:07 PM
                                15. the Son already revealed to his disciples that he is the creator. Only God is creator and - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 3:12 PM
                                16. you are not honest. you are misapplying Lk 10:22 to prove your ignorance. - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 3:18 PM
                                17. but the knowledge about the Son had already been revealed to the disciples and to those - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 3:25 PM
                                18. I am very honest, and I am applying Luke 10:22 correctly, - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 3:43 PM
                                19. secret? hahaha. to you it's a secret but to those to whom the Son had already revealed, - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 11:40 PM
                                20. I know the whole verse, I have just explained it above, - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 12:27 AM
                                21. "no one knows the Son except the Father..." and Tomas concluded that it means we cannot - |Judie_84 on Aug 4, 2014, 12:04 AM
                                22. Exactly. No verse in the Bible says whether Jesus is God or not. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 4:50 PM
                                23. Judie, God used Jesus to create, he created through him. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 3:36 PM
                                24. Tomas the doubter is at it again. he is very true to his name. the doubting Tomas. - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 11:48 PM
                                25. I have firm faith in Jesus, unlike the doubting Thomas, - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 12:43 AM
                                26. you mean Jesus is just a Kyrie and not Kyrios? you really mean that? hehe - |Judie_84 on Aug 3, 2014, 1:33 AM
                                27. Clearly you have never studied any language with a vocative case, - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 2:52 AM
                                28. granting that you are correct in your nominative-vocative argument, i ask you again: - |Judie_84 on Aug 3, 2014, 2:31 PM
                                29. The first one I found is Mt. 12:8. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 6:21 AM
                                30. You mean the Lord of the Sabbath is a mere man? - |Judie_84 on Aug 18, 2014, 1:52 PM
                                31. He could be God, or he could be the Archangel, - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 9:39 AM
                                32. See how ignorant you are of the true nature of Christ. you are not sure whether he is God - |Judie_84 on Sep 6, 2014, 11:34 PM
                                33. you mean Jesus is just a Kyrie and not Kyrios? so Tomas could not - |Judie_84 on Aug 3, 2014, 2:35 PM
                                34. Jesus is Kyrie only when you call him or address him. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 6:33 AM
                                35. a speculation which is wrecked on the εϊπεν αὐτῷ). - |Judie_84 on Aug 3, 2014, 2:58 PM
                                36. Clearly that author did not notice that Thomas used - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 6:43 AM
                                37. Tomas: '...proving that the "My Lord" was not directed to Jesus,' VS the Apostle John's: - |Judie_84 on Aug 18, 2014, 2:01 PM
                                38. Do You Wonder Why the Greek Orthodox Never Noticed? - Thomas Aquinas01 on Aug 18, 2014, 10:24 PM
                                39. The Greek Orthodox Church was misguided by their dogma - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 9:34 AM
                                40. The Greek Orthodox Church was misguided by their dogma - ThomasAquinas01 on Aug 28, 2014, 8:18 PM
                                41. Well, the INC is also misguided in a few doctrines. - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 2:59 PM
                                42. Judie, if I say to you My Lord and my God, of course - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 9:30 AM
                                43. hahaha! why would you say that to me? had i been crucified? did i die and in three days - |Judie_84 on Sep 6, 2014, 11:50 PM
                                44. I would say it to you to remark on the wonderful work - Tomas on Sep 7, 2014, 1:15 AM
                                45. you mean Thomas was saying to the Lord, "God did a wonderful work in you! Rabbi!"? - |Judie_84 on Sep 11, 2014, 6:37 AM
                                46. Yes. That is basically what Thomas meant. - Tomas on Sep 20, 2014, 12:25 PM
                                47. if it's what you think, you are entitled to your unbelief Tomas. Go, go, go Tomas! - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 3:30 PM
                                48. I am a believer just like you. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 7:27 PM
                  2. One more thing: All the "gods" in the Bible you're referring to were created beings AFTER - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 9:17 PM
                    1. Yes, they were created. And the Son was created first, - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 10:30 PM
                      1. The Word is just a word, a plan in the beginning, not creation. - Kumag Ka on Jul 20, 2014, 7:05 AM
                        1. The Bible says differently. The Bible says: The Word was God. Where does it say, the Word - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2014, 6:55 PM
                          1. we have to refer it to the experts- Logos can also mean thought, speech ,etc - Kumag Ka on Jul 26, 2014, 3:15 PM
                            1. OK, let;s read John 1:1 again and then replace "The Word" with your nonsense. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 29, 2014, 12:14 AM
                              1. Yes,Gueter is like the devil who loves to quote ambiguous verses. - Kumag Ka on Jul 29, 2014, 3:24 PM
                                1. Jesus said God is His own Father. That doesn't make Him Son of God? You're not the son of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 30, 2014, 6:06 PM
                                2. did Jesus claim he is the biological son of the Father? - Kumag Ka on Aug 2, 2014, 12:57 PM
                                3. What got biology to do with it? God is spirit, not biological. You need to come up with - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 2, 2014, 6:01 PM
                                4. So you say Jesus is not the biological son, so what is ur proof he's the only son of God? - Kumag Ka on Aug 4, 2014, 1:40 PM
                                5. First to your interpretation of John 1:1. If "The thought was God" makes sense to you, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 4, 2014, 3:30 PM
                                6. you had always been and will always be ambiguous kumago. hehehe - |Judie_84 on Jul 31, 2014, 4:17 PM
                                7. you don't recognize that Jesus is the Son of God, isn't it? lol - |Judie_84 on Jul 31, 2014, 4:18 PM
                                8. and Jesus didn't even know he's the biological son. lol - Kumag Ka on Aug 2, 2014, 12:43 PM
                                9. Do you recognize the Father as God or he is just plain God to you? - |Judie_84 on Aug 2, 2014, 1:50 PM
                                10. Muslims do not have that notion of God as Father because their god does not have a son. - |Judie_84 on Aug 4, 2014, 12:07 AM
                                11. "he's the son of man, thus he's a man, but never as son of God." hahaha - |Judie_84 on Aug 4, 2014, 12:12 AM
                                12. Don't you believe that the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath? - |Judie_84 on Aug 4, 2014, 12:20 AM
                                13. did Jesus claim he is the biological son of the Father? - Kumag Ka on Aug 4, 2014, 1:42 PM
                                14. does he have to little boy? hahaha - |Judie_84 on Aug 5, 2014, 3:33 PM
                                15. how is your sonless god? lol... is he still in Gaza being pursued by the Israeli army? lol - |Judie_84 on Aug 5, 2014, 3:35 PM
                                16. did Jesus claim he is the biological son of the Father? No? Then shut up! - Kumag Ka on Aug 6, 2014, 11:56 AM
                                17. Who was Jesus' father then, if not God the Father? - |Judie_84 on Aug 7, 2014, 11:32 PM
                                18. God is the Father of all, didn't Jesus say that? - Kumag Ka on Aug 10, 2014, 4:03 PM
                                19. But who do you think is Jesus' literal father, - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 4:54 PM
                                20. Read Jesus geneological tree as reported by Mat n Luke - Kumag Ka on Aug 31, 2014, 1:49 PM
                                21. Wrong, neither genealogy says Joseph begat Jesus. - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 3:17 PM
                                22. thus the people didn't even know he was biologically the son of God. - Kumag Ka on Sep 8, 2014, 1:27 PM
                                23. What do you mean the people knew he was the son of Joseph and Mary? - Tomas on Sep 20, 2014, 12:33 PM
                                24. the people knew what they knew; they didn't know he's the biological son of God. - Kumag Ka on Sep 20, 2014, 12:58 PM
                                25. Those people thought they knew what they heard, - Tomas on Sep 20, 2014, 1:07 PM
                                26. but Jesus belied your claim Tomas. he said he's the son of man! - Kumag Ka on Sep 29, 2014, 8:26 AM
                                27. Son of Man is a misleading translation. In Greek it is - Tomas on Oct 11, 2014, 7:26 PM
                                28. did jesus say what "else is he"? tomas so funny, stop speculating! - Observer3 on Oct 11, 2014, 10:47 PM
                                29. He did not, so we are not to be dogmatic about what else he is, - Tomas on Oct 25, 2014, 11:58 PM
                      2. Tomas, it's one of the MOST important doctrines of Christianity. The Apostles taught it in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2014, 6:53 PM
                        1. The apostles did not say it is important, much less necessary - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:00 PM
                          1. Consensus has been reached by most Christians that Genesis and science don't contradict - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 4:37 PM
                            1. As I told you, the beginning was very long, so the first one - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 5:24 PM
                              1. Here come your next huge error. You're again assuming what has NOT been said is true. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 7:10 PM
                                1. The books of John are nowhere defined in the Bible as the gospel. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 7:35 PM
                                2. Well, yes, I was wrong. Only the book of John is a Gospel. The other three books are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 9:41 PM
                                3. The four biographies of Jesus are popularly called gospels, - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 9:51 PM
                                4. Do you now need to invent your personal definition of "Gospel" like you invented your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 28, 2014, 4:32 PM
                                5. I am using the biblical definition of gospel, like that in 1 Cor. 15:1-2, - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 2:58 PM
                                6. Are you serious? You cannot understand "if you hold fast to the word I preached to you" in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 2, 2014, 5:55 PM
                                7. It is not whatever Paul preached in the past, it is the words - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 9:34 PM
                                8. Too long, Tomas. Why are you bragging with your vast knowledge? By the way, knowledge has - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 1:44 AM
                                9. I was not bragging about my knowledge, I just used - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 3:38 AM
                                10. Come on...how can the father be his own father? Oh geee Tomas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 5:00 AM
                                11. What are you saying? I never said the father is his own father. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 7:21 AM
                                12. You used as an argument that in the Bible the Father is never called the Father - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 5:32 PM
                                13. If Jesus were God, then of course the Father would be - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 9:37 AM
                                14. NO! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 23, 2014, 4:02 PM
                                15. How come? - Tomas on Sep 20, 2014, 12:37 PM
                                16. What's wrong with you? How can any father be the father of himself? You really got some we - Guenter (EX=INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 2014, 3:25 AM
                                17. Not of himself. If the Son is God, then the Father is - Tomas on Oct 11, 2014, 7:33 PM
                                18. OK, not of Himself, good that you understand that. Like your father is the father of you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 11, 2014, 10:02 PM
                                19. Tomas, a comment on what you said. - Michael on Aug 1, 2014, 4:41 PM
                                20. My answer to your comment and question. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 3:31 PM
                                21. So Tomas, why the statement? - Michael on Aug 6, 2014, 6:01 PM
                                22. Because God is fair and reasonable. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 6:57 AM
                                23. Of course God is fair and reasonable Tomas. - Michael on Aug 12, 2014, 8:14 PM
                                24. Yes, he is. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 10:00 AM
                                25. And not only is He fair and reasonable Tomas, but there is more to that. - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 5:07 PM
                                26. Of course the OT Jew was saved by faith and repentance. - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 4:03 PM
        2. THANK YOU FOR GREEK INFO - PROMDI FORReAST on Jul 19, 2014, 11:00 PM
    2. These web sites know the grammar much better than you do. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 8:13 PM
      1. You didn't read, they are calling it the "direct object"? It's still an object. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 8:41 PM
        1. OK, the christiananswers web site is wrong in calling it - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 9:08 PM
          1. I'm getting tired,Tom. Your wrong understanding of those verses has been - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 10:02 PM
            1. I don't agree with Arius either. He believed Jesus is a god, but not - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 10:37 PM
              1. It's not a possibility, Tomas, it's fact, as 2 plus 2 equals 4: God the Father plus Mary - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2014, 6:24 PM
                1. By stating all that, you are going way beyond the Bible. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:15 PM
                  1. You need to read the documents of the First Council of Nicaea prior to making - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 4:03 PM
                    1. Why should I? They are not very good guidance for Christians, - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 5:38 PM
                      1. Why should you? Simple: It would heal you from your ignorance. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 6:47 PM
                        1. I don't have time to read all Catholic documents, - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 7:04 PM
                          1. Fine, remain in your ignorance on how Arian was convincingly and rightfully convicted as - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 8:54 PM
                            1. You are so divisive, making a big thing out of something - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 9:03 PM
                              1. Abnout 2 billion Christians are united against unbelievers like you. That's not enough? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 9:18 PM
                                1. I do believe in the truth in the Bible, so don't claim I don't. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 10:03 PM
                                2. Minor thing? What is greater than God? God is a minor thing? YOU are making God a minor - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 28, 2014, 4:28 PM
                                3. I did not say anything is greater than God. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 3:59 PM
                                4. Galatians 1:8 proofs you wrong. You're telling a different story than the Apostles did. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 2, 2014, 5:20 PM
                                5. Well, I believe the apostles believed about it as I do. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 8:16 PM
                                6. Here come your false assumptions again: "Naturally it is about their nature". - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 2:13 AM
                                7. So what then is the important characteristic, that we know about the Father, - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 3:54 AM
                                8. I just answered that somewhere else. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 4:40 AM
                                9. Tomas, a comment. - Michael on Aug 29, 2014, 9:39 AM
                                10. Most of these are not necessary for salvation. - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 4:37 PM
                                11. yes Tomas, your off tangent opinions are not necessary for salvation. no one ever needs - |Judie_84 on Sep 9, 2014, 12:50 AM
                                12. My opinions are from the Bible. - Tomas on Sep 20, 2014, 12:35 PM
                                13. Re: Most of these are not necessary for salvation. - Michael on Sep 10, 2014, 6:03 PM
                                14. Love too is required. - Tomas on Sep 20, 2014, 12:57 PM
                                15. Tomas, show me the verses that speak of "requirements" for salvation. Isn't it "faith - Guenter (EX=INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 2014, 3:57 AM
                                16. Of course correct faith is required, see for example John 3:16-18. - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 2:06 PM
              2. Why not agree with Arius, Tomas? Is that not one of the many possibilities in you list? - Michael on Jul 26, 2014, 7:37 PM
                1. It is a possibility, but Arius wrongly made it a dogma, - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 9:07 PM
                  1. Arius was not wrong in making it a dogma. The dogma is what is wrong. - Michael on Aug 1, 2014, 4:45 PM
                    1. That's the same thing, the dogma that Jesus is not God - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 4:19 PM
                      1. No it's not Tomas. - Michael on Aug 6, 2014, 6:10 PM
                        1. Making a dogma, where the Bible is silent, is wrong. - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 7:14 AM
                          1. Of course Tomas. - Michael on Aug 12, 2014, 8:27 PM
                            1. Of course. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 10:13 AM
                              1. Of course not. - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 5:20 PM
                                1. Of course. - Tomas on Sep 6, 2014, 4:46 PM
                          2. Is your saying that "The Father and the Son of God left the human Jesus when he was about - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 3:07 PM
      2. the right solution for your enlightenment: the NETBible. "... and the Word was fully God." - |Judie_84 on Jul 20, 2014, 6:06 AM
        1. hahaha - |Judie_84 on Jul 25, 2014, 3:29 PM
        2. Another inferior non-literal translation. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:02 PM
          1. Correct -- but no inferior "a god" either. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 28, 2014, 11:02 PM
            1. That is actually superior, since the Bible is clear we can't know - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 4:21 PM
              1. Here comes your false personal bread and butter doctrine again: "We are not supposed - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 2, 2014, 5:13 PM
                1. Well, here comes your false personal bread and butter doctrine again: "We are supposed - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 8:06 PM
                  1. Tomas, 2 billion or more Christians stand united on the the doctrine of the deity of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 6:30 AM
                    1. If the majority were always right, then why aren't you - Tomas on Aug 3, 2014, 7:18 AM
                      1. I AM Catholic, just not Roman Catholic. As the Bible says, who are YOU, Tomas, to decide - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 3, 2014, 6:04 PM
                        1. OK, you are not Roman Catholic, so you are not with - Tomas on Aug 10, 2014, 7:16 AM
                          1. I'm sorry, I have to come back because your stupidity is beyond believe. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 10, 2014, 3:39 PM
                            1. lol...guenter is also 'english language impaired'. should b 'beyond belief'. - Observer2 on Aug 12, 2014, 2:07 PM
                              1. Good one! But.....should it really "b 'beyond belief' " ?? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 12, 2014, 2:14 PM
                                1. Guenter, why would you put a verb after a preposition? - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 10:24 AM
                                2. You didn't get it, as usual. I accepted his correction, but he said :"b beyond belief" - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 23, 2014, 4:01 PM
                                3. OK, sorry. You did not make it clear you accepted his correction. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 4:58 PM
                                4. I got a good laugh out of this one. Tomas: "It is not important what it means." It is not - Guenter (EX=INC Bible Student) on Sep 11, 2014, 4:38 PM
                                5. It's just we don't have to know the meaning of monogenes. - Tomas on Sep 20, 2014, 1:02 PM
                                6. Baloney, Tomas. With false translations you will NEVER find the truth in the Bible. - Guenter (EX=INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 2014, 3:22 AM
                                7. So it can be that Greek had more than one word for 'unique'. - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 2:18 PM
                                8. Wrong answer. Anyone who defends incorrect Bible translations opens the door for cults - Guenter (EX=INC Bible Student) on Sep 27, 2014, 10:56 PM
                                9. Sure we should try to be accurate in translating, but no translation - Tomas on Sep 28, 2014, 12:03 AM
                                10. Wrong again! INC is building their entire "prophesy" of the "only true church" - Guenter (EX=INC Bible Student) on Sep 28, 2014, 12:30 AM
                                11. I have seen online recently another Peshitta translation - Tomas on Sep 28, 2014, 6:43 AM
                                12. Two or three years ago I had email correspondence with one translator of the Peshitta. His - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Sep 28, 2014, 11:28 PM
                                13. Of course Christ called it 'my Church', Mt. 16:18. - Tomas on Oct 11, 2014, 7:30 PM
                                14. Correct: Two persons, on church of God. Even in our every day language a church building - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 11, 2014, 10:06 PM
                                15. For example, in the churches of Christ, they call any church of Christ congregation - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 8:35 AM
                                16. I have to come back to an earlier comment of yours. You "assume" ( again one pf your many - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 8, 2014, 10:19 PM
                                17. You're nothing but a dreamer. INC DOES NOT preach the true gospel! Secondly, they are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Sep 28, 2014, 11:17 PM
                                18. Tomas, don't read this, read the next one. Unfortunately, they don't have a delete - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Sep 28, 2014, 11:37 PM
                                19. You're nothing but a dreamer. INC DOES NOT preach the true gospel! Secondly, they are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Sep 28, 2014, 11:35 PM
                                20. It does preach the true gospel, and so does the Catholic church. - Tomas on Oct 11, 2014, 7:44 PM
                                21. No true church resorts to psycho terror like INC. Psycho terror is one of the major trades - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 11, 2014, 9:55 PM
                                22. They do take it too far, like if you lose salvation, you cannot regain it, - Tomas on Oct 26, 2014, 12:18 AM
                                23. That doesn't change the fact, that INC is using psycho terror to keep their "sheep" - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 26, 2014, 5:17 PM
                                24. So they have wrong psycho terror doctrines. - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 8:43 AM
                                25. The RCC a terror organization? Whom do you try to kid? When you leave the RCC, they PRAY - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 8, 2014, 10:08 PM
                                26. So they pray for your return, so you can finally confess - Tomas on Dec 7, 2014, 1:30 AM
                                27. Whatever, you still believe an oppressive, divisive, non-charitable, lying cult is part - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 7, 2014, 4:09 PM
                                28. You can't blame the Christians in INC for the sins of unsaved leaders. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 7:29 PM
                            2. OK, Guenter, the majority are united in that belief. - Tomas on Aug 23, 2014, 10:17 AM
                              1. The gospel for Tomas, is that the Father has not yet revealed to anyone until NOW whether - |Judie_84 on Sep 27, 2014, 11:07 PM
                                1. No way, that correct doctrine is not part of the gospel, - Tomas on Sep 28, 2014, 12:15 AM
                                2. If you don't believe it, you do have the wrong faith. That's all. And again, don't talk to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Sep 28, 2014, 11:40 PM
                                3. Aren't we here to discuss various doctrines? - Tomas on Oct 11, 2014, 7:48 PM
                                4. As long as you insist that correct translations are false translations, nobody can help - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 11, 2014, 9:35 PM
                                5. Do you think any translations are inerrant, inspired? - Tomas on Oct 26, 2014, 12:32 AM
                                6. The thing is, Tomas, you're having opposing arguments to everyone and his brother here on - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 26, 2014, 5:12 PM
                                7. Sometimes I agree with most people here. - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 8:53 AM
                                8. Did I say KJV is inerrant? And your disagreement with the fake angel theory is an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 8, 2014, 9:48 PM
                                9. In some ways KJV is closest to the Greek, it tries to be - Tomas on Dec 7, 2014, 1:04 AM
                                10. You're blabbering besides the point. You still reject help. It has nothing to do with - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 7, 2014, 4:16 PM
                                11. I accept help. Do you reject help? You reject my help. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 7:30 PM
     
  6. INC: Liar, liar, pants on fire! View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 2014, 1:52 AM
    1. INC should not keep silent about this. Else they truly are deceivers. - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 11:57 AM
      1. You're right, not for God. But for the administration of INC. You need to attend some of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 24, 2014, 4:12 PM
    2. Is that how the INC leadership operates and defends the gospel? - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 11:59 AM
      1. You should get a few issues of their "holy magazine" Pasugo: They discredit - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 24, 2014, 4:04 PM
        1. Oh. So it's really the way they do things. Of course they believe that is a good thing. - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 4:42 PM
          1. They must believe that. Yet, Jesus preached love, they are preaching hatred to all other - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 24, 2014, 11:05 PM
    3. Why would INC have to resort to such things just to discredit an individual? - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 12:02 PM
      1. Because this person was -- as far as I know -- a former INC member. He now has a radio and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 24, 2014, 4:01 PM
        1. But why do they have to resort to such falsification and lies to do that? - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 4:39 PM
          1. If they don't do that, they couldn't help but to accept the truth this man is speaking. By - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 24, 2014, 11:08 PM
            1. Soriano is just as divisive as INC. He teaches that his church - Tomas on Oct 25, 2014, 10:59 AM
              1. This is not the Soriano forum. We are here to expose the satanic tactics of INC, This was - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 27, 2014, 5:23 PM
                1. INC speaks about Soriano, so since we speak about INC,q - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 7:47 AM
                  1. So, when someone commits a murder, you excuse him because another one also committed a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 8, 2014, 11:02 PM
                    1. Of course I don't excuse murder, every murder is not only a tragedy, - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 11:42 PM
                      1. It looks like you agree that INC is very divisive. On purpose to make themselves look - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 7, 2014, 4:44 PM
                        1. They are very divisive, but then you too are very divisive. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 7:14 PM
    4. Does INC not believe that the best weapon against falsehood is the truth? - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 12:03 PM
      1. INC is the embodiment of falsehood. They fool their members to obtain as much money as - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 24, 2014, 3:58 PM
        1. Really? Top INC apologist then you say? - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 4:37 PM
          1. Yes, that was about 1990 in a taped discussion with a Catholic apologist. It's still - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 24, 2014, 11:10 PM
            1. So this INC apologist makes Thomas wrong and disagrees with Jesus. - Michael on Oct 25, 2014, 11:10 AM
              1. INC teaches Thomas disagreed in Jesus because he was surprised, - Tomas on Oct 25, 2014, 11:19 AM
                1. Oops, I miswrote it, I meant to write "Thomas disagreed with Jesus because..." - Tomas on Oct 25, 2014, 11:33 AM
                2. You have not seen the tape but you comment on it. If you'd seen the tape, you'd not said - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 27, 2014, 10:20 PM
                  1. ....you'd not HAVE said what you said.....of course. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 27, 2014, 10:21 PM
                    1. Why see the tape? I know what they taught me about what Thomas said. - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 7:50 AM
                      1. That's the thing, Tomas, they teach DIFFERENT interpretations to defend their wrong - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 8, 2014, 10:58 PM
                        1. OK, that's good, they are open-minded about which interpretation is right. - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 11:46 PM
                          1. Different interpretations to support their wrong conclusion is the right thing to do? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 7, 2014, 4:36 PM
                            1. Different interpretations, all pointing to the right conclusion, - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 7:06 PM
              2. Yes, they disagree wit the truth in the Bible. Like Tomas. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 27, 2014, 5:16 PM
                1. I'm trying to be extremely faithful to the truth of the Bible. - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 7:51 AM
                  1. You think you do. Despite all the help you're getting here you insist in your mostly - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 8, 2014, 10:54 PM
                    1. Well, I too have been trying to help you, but despite my help, - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 11:55 PM
                      1. There is overwhelming proof that INC is a cult. Former members, former ministers, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 7, 2014, 4:31 PM
                        1. So some Christian churches are cults, dominated by one leader, - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 7:17 PM
     
  7. What law prohibits the Son from being God and man at the same time? View Thread - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 2014, 12:40 AM
    1. The Lord is God. Jesus is Lord, therefore he is God. Jesus was the Word who was with God - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 2014, 12:42 AM
      1. and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. The Word was born as the man Jesus. - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 2014, 12:43 AM
    2. No law and no verse in the Bible! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 2014, 12:43 AM
      1. The Doubting Tomas has spoken and cited verses which supposedly prohibit Jesus from being - |Judie_84 on Oct 23, 2014, 12:47 AM
        1. I know, and he called them "difficult" verses. If these verses are difficult for him, no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 2014, 1:15 AM
        2. I know, and he called them "difficult" verses. If these verses are difficult for him, no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 23, 2014, 1:15 AM
          1. These verses are difficult, since they seem to mean that God can't - Tomas on Oct 25, 2014, 10:06 AM
            1. They are not difficult, because God is not the God of confusion. YOU add the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 27, 2014, 5:33 PM
              1. God is not the author of confusion, sure, but none of us is infallible, - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 6:32 AM
                1. Why are you putting words into my mouth? Did I say any layman, like you and I, will - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 8, 2014, 11:17 PM
                  1. No, not just laymen. No minister is infallible either. - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 11:15 PM
                    1. Here comes the Tomas of confusion again. Easy verses are in conflict with another verse so - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 7, 2014, 4:51 PM
                      1. So explain why there are so many verses that distinguish - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 5:56 PM
                2. but you are the most fallible of all with your stubborn stand that "no one can know NOW - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 12:38 AM
                  1. Well, that's what you think. I think you err by concluding - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 11:20 PM
                    1. That's what you think too. And don't think that anyone with a false belief as regard the - |Judie_84 on Dec 6, 2014, 11:43 PM
                      1. You THINK that the Word was a created god/God don't you? that He has a beginning? - |Judie_84 on Dec 6, 2014, 11:45 PM
                        1. Yes, he has a beginning, he was created first, before the world - Tomas on Dec 7, 2014, 12:09 AM
                          1. Keep studying the Bible and show us proofs here that the Word was created. Give us verses - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 3:16 PM
                            1. Rev. 3:14, Col. 1:15, Acts 2:36, Psalm 2:7. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 6:06 PM
                      2. Judie, these verses are all correct of course. - Tomas on Dec 7, 2014, 12:07 AM
                        1. Hahaha, Tomas. you are always right. you cannot be wrong. hehe - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 3:17 PM
                          1. Keep studying the Bible Tomas, but you will never come to the knowledge whether Christ is - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 3:20 PM
                            1. I think we will come to that knowledge when we are - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 6:08 PM
    3. so where is the verse that says he is both God and man at the same time? - Observer3 on Oct 24, 2014, 7:06 PM
      1. idiot go to the thread I made just for you coward old man! face me head on! - Nom on Oct 25, 2014, 7:52 AM
    4. its like saying, what law prohibits Judie from being an idiot and a - Observer3 on Oct 31, 2014, 9:50 PM
      1. Hahaha. How loving of you observa3, How Christian. hehehe - |Judie_84 on Oct 31, 2014, 11:36 PM
    5. God's first commandment is the law that prohibits Jesus to become God. - emmanuel on Nov 1, 2014, 8:31 AM
      1. thou shalt not make an angel out of a zapatero from barrio calzada, taguig, rizal, p.i. - |Judie_84 on Nov 3, 2014, 4:38 PM
        1. don't believe erano manalo, the son of the Cock from the East when he said that the wicked - |Judie_84 on Nov 3, 2014, 4:41 PM
        2. Up emman. UP! - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 3:21 PM
      2. i give you this advice emman, if you're willing to heed it. When i say something about - |Judie_84 on Nov 3, 2014, 10:39 PM
      3. First, God or INCgod... - jhenry69 on Nov 4, 2014, 8:51 PM
        1. There shall be no other God. The Father is the only true God. - emmanuel on Nov 6, 2014, 12:11 AM
          1. Aaaahahahaaa... Jesus and the Holy Spirit other gods? You're more stupid than I thought. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 7, 2014, 12:46 AM
            1. If I'm wrong, explain. - emmanuel on Nov 7, 2014, 9:48 AM
              1. stupid is he who keeps debating against the Trinitarians but does not know what we really - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 12:40 AM
                1. emman. emman. - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 3:24 PM
          2. you will never learn emman as long as you keep believing that felix is an angel. - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 12:42 AM
            1. John 5:40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life. You don't believe that it was Jesus - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 12:47 AM
          3. "Proving that Jesus is God from Old Testament Scripture" - an article from the internet. - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 3:51 PM
    6. and what law prohibits Judie and Guenter from becoming minion gods? - Observer3 on Nov 3, 2014, 10:49 PM
      1. it's your friend Tomas who said that Christians are gods, not me. - |Judie_84 on Nov 3, 2014, 10:51 PM
      2. What does that proof? Nothing! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 7, 2014, 12:50 AM
    7. this is like saying what law prohibits Judie from proceeding to hell? - Kumag Ka on Nov 6, 2014, 1:50 PM
      1. hahaha. you don't wanna be there anymore? you now want to get out of hell? - |Judie_84 on Nov 6, 2014, 3:05 PM
        1. Only the dead are in hell now, until they are resurrected. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 7:02 PM
     
  8. the Father set the Judgement Day, but why is the alleged other God jesus does not know? View Thread - Observer3 on Dec 17, 2014, 10:52 PM
    1. how about you Oberver3? what do you know? hehe - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:34 PM
      1. do you know who is going to judge you? - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:35 PM
    2. will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:37 PM
      1. I am the way and the truth and the life - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:38 PM
    3. and I will raise them up at the last day. - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:39 PM
      1. I and the Father are one. - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:40 PM
    4. he not only broke the Sabbath, but called God "Father" making himself equal with God. - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:41 PM
      1. he claimed equality with God - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:41 PM
      2. What? He broke the Sabbath? Are you accusing Jesus of sin? - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 10:11 AM
    5. he chose not to know. he chose not to know. he chose not to know. - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:42 PM
      1. he could have known that had he thought it necessary but just left that prerogative to the - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:43 PM
    6. “Should I hide my plan from Abraham?” God asked. 18 “For Abraham shall become a mighty - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:45 PM
      1. the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets. - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:47 PM
    7. that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:49 PM
      1. Observer3, is doubting the capabilities of the Son, a way of honoring him? - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:50 PM
        1. is mocking the Son of God a good way to honor him whom the Father sent? - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:51 PM
          1. shall a mere man like you keep on ridiculing the Son of God, who came down from heaven? - |Judie_84 on Dec 17, 2014, 11:51 PM
    8. Because this way is pleasing to the eyes of the Father - Coffeemaker on Dec 20, 2014, 11:17 AM
      1. Yes, it was pleasing to the Father that the Son be not omniscient. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 11:20 AM
        1. Really Thomas? If Jesus would challenge his Father for a game of chess, who would win? - Coffeemaker on Dec 20, 2014, 11:59 AM
          1. You don't think the Father would win? - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 12:30 PM
            1. Playing white or black? - Coffeemaker on Dec 20, 2014, 6:45 PM
              1. If Jesus is still not omniscient, then sure the Father will beat him even - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 6:59 PM
     
  9. Judie, to your: Mr. Tomas styles himself.....You're right, we will all be saved by the View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 29, 2014, 2:45 PM
    1. The Gospel of Tomas is to lend credibility to the "I am the Cock from the Far East" - |Judie_84 on Oct 29, 2014, 10:43 PM
      1. I certainly don't believe in Felix being the cock from the far east doctrine. - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 7:44 AM
        1. So you are not a follower of felix due to you strange belief that the Word was a created - |Judie_84 on Dec 6, 2014, 11:48 PM
          1. So JWish! "... and the Word was a god." NWT - |Judie_84 on Dec 6, 2014, 11:56 PM
            1. So they happen to be right on this translation, but - Tomas on Dec 7, 2014, 12:04 AM
              1. You're entitled to your opinion Tomas. They are right on their translation and the - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 1:25 AM
                1. Yes, after all no translation is perfect, sometimes the JW translation - Tomas on Dec 7, 2014, 1:41 AM
                  1. so which again among the imperfect translations say the Word was created? - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 8:21 AM
                    1. For example KJV, in Rev. 3:14, Acts 2:36, Psalm 2:7. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 6:16 PM
          2. There are Christians who believe the Word is God, and was created - Tomas on Dec 7, 2014, 12:02 AM
            1. You are entitled to your willful ignorance Tomas. That is a proof that you are not yet - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 1:35 AM
              1. Was it you who said before that the Father and the Son of God left the human Jesus when - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 1:38 AM
                1. you also don't believe that the name "Yahweh" is appended both to the Father and Jesus - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 1:40 AM
                  1. That's right, I gave you verses proving it is only the Father's name. - Tomas on Dec 7, 2014, 1:48 AM
                    1. "Jesus is Yahweh" by Sam Shamoun - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 11:43 AM
                      1. So what that some similar things are said about Jesus as are said about Yahweh? - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 6:22 PM
                    2. how many verses have you given me Tomas? hehehe - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 3:04 PM
                      1. About ten, I guess. On this issue. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 6:23 PM
                2. Well, if Jesus is God the Son, then he can't die, - Tomas on Dec 7, 2014, 1:45 AM
                  1. Tomas. you're so accomodating but you won't accept the deity of Christ. you just want a - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 2:11 PM
                    1. I do accept the possibility of the deity of Christ. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 6:31 PM
              2. No Christian is enlightened on everything, we should keep - Tomas on Dec 7, 2014, 1:47 AM
                1. But all Christians know for a fact that Christ was God and knowing Him as such is - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 2:27 PM
                  1. Millions of Christians do not have such a doctrine, - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 6:35 PM
    2. No, we will be saved by the grace of God. - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 7:45 AM
      1. Haven't I seen you here making decisions on who will and who will not be - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 8, 2014, 11:04 PM
        1. Not who will. For those who believe in a false gospel, I hope - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 11:33 PM
          1. and for Tomas, the gospel is "Christ might be God". and "We cannot KNOW NOW whether - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 1:32 AM
            1. No way, that doctrine is not part of the gospel. - Tomas on Dec 7, 2014, 1:49 AM
              1. Meaning, one can be saved even if he doesn't know whether Christ is God or not? you - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 11:44 AM
                1. that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 11:45 AM
                  1. One of the missions of Jesus was to proclaim the Father, and to reveal himself as the - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 1:02 PM
                    1. Of course the Savior is not a mere man. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 6:53 PM
                  2. Judie, John 17:3 is one of the many verses which distinguish between God and Jesus. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 6:45 PM
                2. That's exactly right, Judie. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 6:38 PM
          2. Well, you just said who will and who will not be saved again. Thank you, God Tomas. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 7, 2014, 4:47 PM
            1. I did not say about anyone he will not be saved. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 6:57 PM
     
  10. Tomas, if you believe God the Father is the only YAHWEH, does He eat? View Thread - |Judie_84 on Sep 22, 2014, 9:59 AM
    1. must God eat to nourish himself or else he dies? - Kumag Ka on Sep 22, 2014, 2:40 PM
      1. Hahaha, the unwell responded again though no one was asking for his foolish idea! LOL - |Judie_84 on Sep 22, 2014, 2:44 PM
        1. does your God brush his teeth after eating, dude? lol - Kumag Ka on Sep 22, 2014, 3:02 PM
          1. Re: does your God brush his teeth after eating, dude? lol - Nom on Sep 22, 2014, 3:39 PM
            1. hhahhahaha the impaired idiot has resurfaced again...lol - Kumag Ka on Sep 23, 2014, 10:01 AM
              1. Re: hhahhahaha the impaired idiot has resurfaced again...lol - Nom on Sep 23, 2014, 11:34 AM
                1. where are you kumagago! - Nom on Sep 26, 2014, 9:38 AM
            2. where are you kumagago! - Nom on Oct 17, 2014, 10:48 AM
    2. for Tom, hey Tom, you can ask ROMMEL VILLANUEVA SAN PEDRO on stories of USAF BOB PELLIEN - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Sep 22, 2014, 3:47 PM
    3. If the Father is the only YAHWEH, did the Father fulfill the prophecy in Zech 12:10? - |Judie_84 on Sep 22, 2014, 11:46 PM
      1. Tomas... - |Judie_84 on Sep 23, 2014, 11:21 PM
        1. Where are you kumago? don't hide! hahaha - |Judie_84 on Sep 26, 2014, 2:33 PM
      2. Judie, it is correctly quoted in John 19:37 - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 1:21 PM
        1. What else is new? Tomas is blaming error after error to defend his ridiculous beliefs. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 12, 2014, 4:23 AM
          1. So did John misquote Zechariah? - Tomas on Oct 25, 2014, 1:08 PM
            1. Show me any script in Hebrew that says differently than the "changed" scripts. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 27, 2014, 4:56 PM
              1. Well, you can't show me any manuscript of John that says 'me' - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 6:07 AM
                1. Because I am not the "assumption man" that you are. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 8, 2014, 11:21 PM
                  1. Are you saying the manuscripts of John are all wrong? - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 8:46 PM
                    1. Of course not. It's YOU who is saying Zechariah 12:10 is wrong without any evidence. Just - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 7, 2014, 5:01 PM
                      1. Without any evidence? The evidence is there, in John 19:37. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 5:43 PM
        2. Jesus is Yahweh - the LORD who made heaven and earth - |Judie_84 on Oct 13, 2014, 12:09 AM
          1. The Father is Yahweh, the Son is Yahweh. The Father owns everything, the Son owns all that - |Judie_84 on Oct 13, 2014, 12:39 AM
          2. Judie, just because some similar things are said about Jesus asq - Tomas on Oct 25, 2014, 1:11 PM
            1. that's what you believe. Go! believe only what you want to believe. have a nice day. hehe - |Judie_84 on Oct 27, 2014, 11:16 PM
              1. You have a nice day too. If you don't believe me, believe what you want, - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 6:09 AM
                1. hahaha. feeling's mutual. but your disbelief in the deity of Christ will certainly affect - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 12:31 AM
                  1. Of course Jesus was sent by the Father. - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 8:52 PM
    4. Oh yeah, Jude's God has blood, hands, arms, eats and goes to toilet too.lol - Kumag Ka on Sep 23, 2014, 9:54 AM
      1. where's your legs-less, arms-less, heartless, headless god kumago? - |Judie_84 on Nov 12, 2014, 11:30 PM
    5. Tomas... - |Judie_84 on Sep 23, 2014, 11:20 PM
      1. Tomas Where Are You? - |Judie_84 on Sep 26, 2014, 11:25 PM
        1. I am back now. Be patient with me, I am not here every day. - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 1:28 PM
          1. How do explain John 8:56 where Jesus said "Abraham saw my day and was glad."? - |Judie_84 on Sep 29, 2014, 11:48 AM
            1. Abraham was a prophet. He saw in a vision Jesus' future day - Tomas on Oct 11, 2014, 7:16 PM
              1. support your assertion. cite verses from the Bible to prove you're not lying. - |Judie_84 on Oct 12, 2014, 2:29 AM
                1. Jesus said 'my day'. So he was obviously referring to Jesus's days - Tomas on Oct 25, 2014, 1:14 PM
                  1. you're old enough to know what to believe. believe only what you want to believe. you're - |Judie_84 on Oct 27, 2014, 11:18 PM
                    1. You're free too. Believe what you want about this, it's no big deal, - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 6:11 AM
                      1. i'm free because the Truth has set me free from the lies of the false teachers! - |Judie_84 on Nov 12, 2014, 11:31 PM
                        1. since when have you been teaching your doctrines Tomas? - |Judie_84 on Nov 12, 2014, 11:32 PM
                          1. I mentioned a few to people I know, but not like the many - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 9:03 PM
              2. you sure have no Biblical support for that lie of yours Tomas, do you? - |Judie_84 on Nov 12, 2014, 11:33 PM
                1. I see that as the best way to harmonize all the relevant verses. - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 9:14 PM
    6. Judy's God is a creature that eats to survive, and goes to toilet too. idiot! - Kumag Ka on Oct 15, 2014, 3:34 AM
      1. Yes! No! hehe - |Judie_84 on Oct 15, 2014, 1:55 PM
    7. Judie's God eats???? hahahha... then he goes to toilet . poor god. - Observer3 on Nov 3, 2014, 11:03 PM
      1. where's the verse which says God does not eat? - |Judie_84 on Nov 3, 2014, 11:48 PM
        1. H ahaha ...what a twisted logic! its like asking which verse says Judie has not been circu - Kumag Ka on Nov 5, 2014, 1:23 PM
        2. Show the verse if there's any that says "God does not eat!" - |Judie_84 on Nov 7, 2014, 2:39 PM
          1. where can one find that prohibition in the Bible? - |Judie_84 on Nov 7, 2014, 2:40 PM
      2. If God does not eat, it means the narrative in Genesis 18 is not true. - |Judie_84 on Nov 3, 2014, 11:49 PM
        1. don't you believe that Genesis 18 is a true narrative regarding the appearance of the Lord - |Judie_84 on Nov 3, 2014, 11:51 PM
          1. how stubborn, that man eating isn't God. God does not need to eat to survive !! - Observer3 on Nov 7, 2014, 1:19 PM
            1. did the text say "The Lord ate the food set before them in order to survive."? - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 12:08 AM
              1. IDIOT Jude, does your God eat steel bars? Incq and me wants to know. lol - Kumag Ka on Nov 12, 2014, 7:41 AM
                1. Too much disrespect for God. is not good for your health. - |Judie_84 on Nov 12, 2014, 10:06 AM
                2. when did you start to be so disrespectful of God, kumago? - |Judie_84 on Nov 12, 2014, 11:40 PM
      3. Is Genesis 18 true or not? - |Judie_84 on Nov 3, 2014, 11:51 PM
        1. I know observer3 that being a liar that you are, you are not going to answer the question. - |Judie_84 on Nov 4, 2014, 11:13 PM
          1. I ask you again, Is Genesis 18 true or not? - |Judie_84 on Nov 4, 2014, 11:14 PM
        2. where's your answer here? - |Judie_84 on Nov 5, 2014, 10:27 PM
        3. what kind of debater do we have here? can't answer even a simple question! LOL - |Judie_84 on Nov 7, 2014, 5:25 PM
        4. Gen 18 is true, but not your stupid interpretation that implied Jesus is a liar!! - Observer3 on Nov 7, 2014, 9:51 PM
          1. "While they ate, he stood near them under a tree." Gen 18:7. hahaha - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 12:09 AM
          2. it's your stubbornness that makes you think that it contradicts Jesus's words. - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 12:11 AM
            1. No one has ever seen God... You have never heard his voice nor seen his form - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 12:19 AM
              1. The Word, the second person in the Godhead, who became Jesus was the one whom the - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 12:26 AM
          3. your failure to reconcile Gen 18 and what the Lord Jesus has said means that you don't - |Judie_84 on Nov 12, 2014, 10:01 PM
     
  11.   did the apostles say we cannot know NOW whether Jesus is God or not? View Thread - |Judie_84 on Nov 4, 2014, 11:09 PM
    1. They probably said it sometimes, which is why they did not write - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 6:47 AM
      1. so it means your great gospel is based on an unwritten verse Tomas? hehe - |Judie_84 on Nov 8, 2014, 11:33 AM
        1. when did you learn to have the confidence to declare that even if you have no evidence? - |Judie_84 on Nov 8, 2014, 11:35 AM
          1. is it not against the "do not add to what is written" principle Tomas? - |Judie_84 on Nov 8, 2014, 11:37 AM
            1. When nothing is written about it, then the Bible is silent - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 11:51 AM
              1. that is your opinion Tomas. you are entitled to it. hehe - |Judie_84 on Nov 8, 2014, 1:45 PM
              2. when the Bible is silent, you say things the loudest! LOL - |Judie_84 on Nov 8, 2014, 1:46 PM
                1. I say loudly about where the Bible is silent. - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 2:47 PM
              3. to you and your group, the Bible is silent about it. But for us Christians, it is our - |Judie_84 on Nov 8, 2014, 1:51 PM
                1. That's your main belief? The Bible does not say it is main. - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 2:49 PM
                  1. does it say it is just mild? hehe - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 3:39 PM
                    1. The Bible does not even say if he is God or not. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 5:28 PM
              4. Why did you say silently that "the Father and the Son of God left the human Jesus when he - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 3:42 PM
                1. It is just a possible interpretation, in case Jesus is God. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 5:30 PM
        2. Gospel, Judie? That has nothing to do with the gospel. - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 11:53 AM
          1. the gospel is not about Jesus? not about his true identity? - |Judie_84 on Nov 8, 2014, 1:44 PM
            1. Most of the gospel is about Jesus, but only about several things about him. - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 2:51 PM
              1. i respect your view Tomas. you are on the left side view. hahaha - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 3:21 PM
                1. in spite of the many verses attesting to his Deity! Tomas, your disbelief in his deity - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 3:23 PM
                  1. Any such verse can be shown not to attest to any Deity of his. - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 10:29 PM
                    1. Was that error revealed only to you Tomas? no other person in this wide world was gifted - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 3:36 PM
                      1. Do you have a monopoly of that error Tomas? - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 7:34 PM
                        1. It is not an error, millions of Christians agree with me, that - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 5:32 PM
     
  12. emman, the INC debater who lost in every which way! hahaha View Thread - |Judie_84 on Nov 25, 2014, 3:00 PM
    1. he said the INC is true no matter how wicked are our Ministers! LOL - |Judie_84 on Nov 25, 2014, 3:01 PM
      1. INC is the true church no matter how false are the claims of felix! hehe - |Judie_84 on Nov 25, 2014, 7:39 PM
      2. Sinners have the opportunity to be saved if he enters INC. - emmanuel on Nov 30, 2014, 12:06 PM
        1. tell me, how did you figure it out? - Karlos on Nov 30, 2014, 2:59 PM
          1. INC being the Body of Christ was redeemed by the blood of the Head, Christ. - emmanuel on Dec 1, 2014, 11:27 AM
            1. The INC wqas not the church which Christ PURCHASED (past tense) with his blood (Acts 20:28 - INCquisitor on Dec 2, 2014, 1:50 PM
          2. Re: tell me, how did you figure it out? - emmanuel on Dec 2, 2014, 12:07 AM
            1. True Christians have love for all no matter the messenger or faith - Horizon on Dec 2, 2014, 12:13 AM
              1. Spreading the words of God is not attacking. - emmanuel on Dec 2, 2014, 12:23 AM
                1. you lied emmanuel! read your own post when you attack the pope! - Karlos on Dec 2, 2014, 12:52 PM
                  1. Making myself silent is more sinful. - emmanuel on Dec 2, 2014, 1:07 PM
                    1. you lied! that's my point. do you deny it? - Karlos on Dec 2, 2014, 1:42 PM
            2. why do you always end up attacking catholics? - Karlos on Dec 2, 2014, 12:47 PM
              1. I don't know the meaning of hatred. It is not allowed in my being. - emmanuel on Dec 2, 2014, 1:00 PM
                1. Re: I don't know the meaning of hatred. It is not allowed in my being. - Karlos on Dec 2, 2014, 1:58 PM
                  1. How would anyone know what is right without someone knowing the truth... - emmanuel on Dec 3, 2014, 11:46 PM
                    1. what? - Karlos on Dec 4, 2014, 5:44 AM
                      1. Why don't you just accept the truth I am saying about God and never mind... - emmanuel on Dec 4, 2014, 12:16 PM
                        1. The pope might well be saved already for all we know. - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 9:22 AM
                          1. Using a cheap car is not a basis to be saved. - emmanuel on Dec 8, 2014, 9:26 AM
                            1. Re: Using a cheap car is not a basis to be saved. - Karlos on Dec 9, 2014, 5:43 AM
                              1. Salvation is entering the Church Christ has built. - emmanuel on Dec 9, 2014, 6:13 AM
                                1. NO! Salvation is obeying the will of God not INC! - Karlos on Dec 9, 2014, 6:27 AM
                                2. The will of God is to listen to what Jesus have preached. - emmanuel on Dec 9, 2014, 11:30 PM
                                3. And that, emmanuel, is exactly what INC is NOT doing! They are spending their money to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 9, 2014, 11:44 PM
                                4. INC give glory to God not to men. - emmanuel on Dec 10, 2014, 9:13 PM
                                5. You spit Jesus in the face by not observing His commands. INC is commanded by Jesus to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 10, 2014, 11:05 PM
                                6. God said He must be given priority before anyone else. Even the poor. - emmanuel on Dec 10, 2014, 11:12 PM
                                7. God doesn't ask for money, He commands you to GIVE money to the poor. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 10, 2014, 11:50 PM
                                8. God commanded us to worship Him. He didn't say, give to the poor and never mind Me. - emmanuel on Dec 11, 2014, 12:12 AM
                                9. To worship Him how, my friend? In spirit and in truth! There is no request for money. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 11, 2014, 2:53 AM
                                10. "Lord, save us from the INC church of felix." hehehe - |Judie_84 on Dec 9, 2014, 10:13 AM
                                11. Judie, God sent us INC to tempt us. Like the devil tempted Jesus. True Christians will - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 11, 2014, 3:22 AM
                                12. The Holy Spirit whispered to you words? No, he would not, - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 11:18 AM
                                13. For once you're right. It was not a whisper because I didn't hear a voice. But regardless, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 20, 2014, 4:47 PM
                                14. The Holy Spirit could not plant in your mind, words that are not in the Bible. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 4:52 PM
                                15. You're such an...I better not say! Leave me alone. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 20, 2014, 5:12 PM
                                16. Yes, it is better not to insult anyone again. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 5:22 PM
                            2. Emmanuel, not the only basis, of course he needs faith and repentance. But - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 11:15 AM
                        2. me imagining? you are crazy man! - Karlos on Dec 9, 2014, 2:45 PM
    2. "To be ignorant of the Bible is to be ignorant Christ!" a quote - |Judie_84 on Nov 25, 2014, 7:40 PM
      1. 99% of INC members, just like their Catholic counterparts, are ignorant of the Bible. - |Judie_84 on Nov 25, 2014, 7:42 PM
        1. only about 1% of them own and read the Bible. - |Judie_84 on Nov 25, 2014, 7:42 PM
          1. Most of them doesn't even know what NIV means. hehe - |Judie_84 on Nov 25, 2014, 7:44 PM
    3. IN EVERY WHICH WAY BUT LOSE! - |Judie_84 on Nov 25, 2014, 7:44 PM
     
  13. John 5:40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life. You don't believe that it was Jesus View Thread - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 12:50 AM
    1. the Word, who became the Lord Jesus, pre-existed creation. being the creator! - |Judie_84 on Nov 9, 2014, 12:52 AM
      1. emman, kumago23/observer3 and INCquisitor are REJECTORS OF THE DEITY OF CHRIST! - |Judie_84 on Nov 10, 2014, 11:16 PM
        1. Tomas has his own unique stand on that central issue: "I cannot know NOW whether Christ is - |Judie_84 on Nov 10, 2014, 11:17 PM
          1. Sure, the Bible does not tell us. - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 9:42 PM
            1. Yes it does but you are purposely ignoring it Tomas. - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 7:36 PM
              1. No, I have studied the various verses carefully. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 4:55 PM
     
  14. INC - what do you call using church offerings to operate rental business? View Thread - ASP on Dec 5, 2014, 4:32 PM
    1. What I know is that renting out is to make money - do profitable business. - Michael on Dec 5, 2014, 6:28 PM
      1. Do you know any landlords that rent out their properties for anything other than profit? - I.N.D. on Dec 5, 2014, 6:39 PM
        1. None that I know of. Do you? - Michael on Dec 5, 2014, 7:31 PM
          1. No. EVM and his family have investors mentality, they are smart. Their flock is stupid. - I.N.D. on Dec 5, 2014, 8:30 PM
            1. They invest their time and effort into caring for the flock, which will be saved. - Anna on Dec 5, 2014, 8:32 PM
              1. okey then Anna, now please answer top question of this thread - ASP on Dec 5, 2014, 8:41 PM
              2. So Anna, you approve of EVM doing business and making profit using church funds? - Michael on Dec 6, 2014, 2:28 AM
              3. Poor Anna. Their only time and effort is for their own enrichment. I'll pray for you. You - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 2014, 4:07 AM
              4. Re: They invest their time and effort into caring for the flock, which will be saved. - Karlos on Dec 6, 2014, 9:22 AM
      2. can you please explain how a non profit religious entity can - Horizon on Dec 5, 2014, 11:01 PM
        1. They can't. It's simply illegal. It is simply sin against God. - Michael on Dec 6, 2014, 3:40 AM
    2. Anna - join us in this topic - ASP on Dec 5, 2014, 8:33 PM
    3. A smart business move? Every little bit helps. - Anna on Dec 5, 2014, 8:49 PM
      1. how is having a felon who beats women perform for money glorify God? - Horizon on Dec 5, 2014, 8:53 PM
        1. I am not sure what you are talking about? - Anna on Dec 5, 2014, 9:05 PM
          1. Convicted felon Chris Brown is performing at your INC NYE Concert at the PH Arena - I.N.D. on Dec 5, 2014, 9:34 PM
        2. Chris Brown is known for his beating of his then GF Rihanna. Good role model eh? - jodlas on Dec 5, 2014, 9:26 PM
          1. Hopefully he will repent. But I have not heard he has accepted Christ - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 7:47 PM
      2. do you hear yourself? A smart business move? did JESUS say church may create business? - ASP on Dec 5, 2014, 8:55 PM
        1. The money goes to help the members and those in need. Jesus would approve. - Anna on Dec 5, 2014, 9:01 PM
          1. so you say there is NO command then - INC Admin lied to members - ASP on Dec 5, 2014, 9:07 PM
            1. God guides his administration. That is written. They do as they are guided - Anna on Dec 5, 2014, 9:11 PM
              1. God guides a church leader to create business - really? - ASP on Dec 5, 2014, 9:13 PM
                1. I guess if the bible was to be continued then it would be written in it. - Anna on Dec 5, 2014, 9:20 PM
                  1. Don't go beyond what is written - INCers say that again and again. Follow your own advice - I.N.D. on Dec 5, 2014, 9:35 PM
                    1. we are speaking hypothetically so I haven't said anything wrong - Anna on Dec 5, 2014, 10:12 PM
                  2. Anna, in such case, it would be written that FYM is a false angel. - Michael on Dec 6, 2014, 3:01 AM
              2. Anna who told you that INC administration is God's administration? - Michael on Dec 6, 2014, 2:46 AM
          2. Anna. Jesus won't tolerate, much less approve, a wrong doing. - Michael on Dec 6, 2014, 2:44 AM
    4. Anna - here's a summary of your belief - ASP on Dec 5, 2014, 9:29 PM
      1. We are all destined to hell until we are not. We cannot say who God will call - Anna on Dec 5, 2014, 10:13 PM
        1. oh well - ASP on Dec 5, 2014, 10:20 PM
        2. what is the God of the inc? - Horizon on Dec 5, 2014, 11:11 PM
          1. Horizon, it's the Manalo clan. They are in the business of religion for their own - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 2014, 3:58 AM
            1. the INC is a charitable church, it has the Felix Y Manalo foundation - Horizon on Dec 6, 2014, 3:21 PM
              1. Yep, they fool their INC members right and left. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 2014, 5:01 PM
                1. the FYM foundation also violates two of the bibles teachings - Horizon on Dec 6, 2014, 6:14 PM
                  1. If it were only two violations, INC would be in pretty good shape. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 2014, 6:52 PM
        3. What Bible verse says we're all destined to hell? In the contrary, there is a Bible verse - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 2014, 3:49 AM
        4. Anna, during the millennium, God will call all unbelievers. - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 8:45 AM
          1. How many kings will reign in the Millennium Tomas? please tell us... - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 7:49 PM
            1. Jesus will reign in Jerusalem on David's throne as king, and` - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 4:44 PM
     
  15. In common with mormons the INC View Thread - Manalo family helicopters on Nov 11, 2014, 10:35 PM
    1. But Manalo at least kept preaching the gospel. - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 9:37 PM
      1. What gospel was preached by felix? please tell us... - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 7:39 PM
        1. there is no more gospel - Horizon on Dec 7, 2014, 9:48 PM
          1. Truly, "No man can come to me unless the Father who has sent me draws them." by Jesus. - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 11:23 PM
            1. The Word who was with God, and was Word, was sent by the God the Father to do his will, - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 11:26 PM
              1. Jesus was sent by God the Father. Who sent the self-proclaimed (usurper) preacher who - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 11:29 PM
                1. The Muslim prophet was said to have styled himself as "the Last Prophet" and the Filipino - |Judie_84 on Dec 7, 2014, 11:33 PM
                  1. The Muslim prophet perverted the gospel, by rejecting - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 4:40 PM
                2. Actually anyone who preaches the gospel is sent by God, whether or not he is himself - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 4:28 PM
        2. Judie, Felix preached the necessary gospel doctrines, like that Jesus is - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 4:26 PM
     
  16. "I am not divisive. I love saved Catholics, Protestants etc." - by Tomas View Thread - |Judie_84 on Oct 12, 2014, 12:39 AM
    1. he also admires the INC's, followers of felix, the Cock from the Far East. - |Judie_84 on Oct 12, 2014, 12:41 AM
      1. Yes, those in the INC who are saved. - Tomas on Oct 25, 2014, 2:08 PM
    2. Judie, that's really a good confession of Tomas. Admirable indeed. - Michael on Oct 12, 2014, 9:46 AM
      1. If somebody adds to the gospel a non-gospel idea, - Tomas on Oct 25, 2014, 2:16 PM
      2. As I said, who cares then what one adds to the gospel? - Michael on Oct 25, 2014, 8:39 PM
        1. OK, we should care, because it leads to divisiveness. - Tomas on Oct 25, 2014, 9:37 PM
          1. Again too much about what others say Tomas. Please spare me from such. - Michael on Oct 26, 2014, 2:03 PM
            1. When I write what others say, that reveals what I think about the issue. - Tomas on Nov 8, 2014, 9:04 AM
              1. You need not tell me what you think about what they say Tomas. - Michael on Nov 17, 2014, 6:56 AM
                1. Tomas arguments are laughable as most of the time. If you add or subtract something to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 18, 2014, 12:42 AM
                  1. Why do you insult me by calling me a pervert? - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 1:24 PM
                    1. You're contradicting yourself. You're saying you're not a pervert but then you're saying: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 2014, 5:31 PM
                      1. Don't you know the word pervert normally means somebody like a rapist1 - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 5:51 PM
                        1. Pervert mainly for rapists? Well, my friend, you're wrong as usual. Here are the three - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 2014, 7:02 PM
                          1. You gave the definitions of the verb pervert. That is very different - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 7:19 PM
                            1. Sexual perversion is -- if not true - a terrible insult, correct. Perversion of the Bible, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 2014, 7:35 PM
                              1. As far as perversion of the Bible, nobody is infallible, - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 7:41 PM
                                1. LOL. Whatever. Not even God can help you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 2014, 7:48 PM
                                2. God has helped me a lot already. Of course he has not made me infallible, - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 7:55 PM
                                3. Fine, if you believe God helps anti-trinitarians. God gave you free will - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 7, 2014, 5:07 PM
                                4. Yes, God helps not only Christians like me, but also Christian anti-trinitarians. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 3:45 PM
                2. The different gospel there is any gospel that perverts any gospel doctrine. - Tomas on Dec 6, 2014, 1:14 PM
                  1. Tomas, can't you not understand what "different" means? - Michael on Dec 7, 2014, 7:51 PM
                    1. Adding to the gospel is just misguided, the additions are not really in the gospel. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 4:02 PM
                  2. "... there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ." - |Judie_84 on Dec 8, 2014, 12:32 AM
                    1. Tomas, you, kumago23 and the rest of you who don't recognize the deity of Christ are - |Judie_84 on Dec 8, 2014, 12:33 AM
                      1. so guilty of perverting the gospel of Christ! whether you accept it or not. - |Judie_84 on Dec 8, 2014, 12:34 AM
                      2. No, I recognize the possible deity of Christ. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 4:06 PM
                    2. Why do you want to pervert the gospel of Christ Tomas? what would you gain for that? - |Judie_84 on Dec 8, 2014, 12:35 AM
                      1. the Muslim prophet had his millions of followers. felix, a few millions? you Tomas, what - |Judie_84 on Dec 8, 2014, 12:36 AM
                        1. do you get for preaching your false gospel? three close friends or even less? LOL - |Judie_84 on Dec 8, 2014, 12:37 AM
                          1. I have no followers. But I recognize many millions of Christians - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 4:11 PM
                      2. I would never want to pervert the gospel of Christ. I love - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 4:08 PM
                    3. You are a perverter of the gospel of Christ just like the Muslim prophet and felix the - |Judie_84 on Dec 8, 2014, 12:38 AM
                      1. No, I am not. And neither was Felix the copycat. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2014, 4:19 PM
     
 
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