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June 29 2006 at 9:57 PM
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HiJo
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Childrens worship service- SICK

June 29 2006, 10:00 PM 

December 21 2003 at 7:50 PM

In the same basic format as the adult "Worship Service" ie same themes and almost as long (many young kids have to endure a double dose of the INC propaganda) and there is a twist as follows

When its time for any of the several prayers during this so called "Worship Service" there will be a collection of much larger and older children who as the prayer is underway will fiercely descend on the ranks of these very young children (2 yrs old plus) and any daring to fidget or not close eyes or any other minor infraction is quickly disciplined and brought to heel.

It reminded me of vision I have seen of a Nazi concentration camp where the Nazi's employed thugs to do there dirty work among their hapless prisoners.

I did feel physically ill after viewing this and was another confirmation that this INC is a truly sick organisation.

Little children, you are of God, and have overcome them; for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world

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kumag_si_hijo
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what can I say?

July 20 2006, 3:33 AM 

Youre still mentally sick and your sick ideas are obviously worse now.

I am no shrink but I can tell you badly needed some help.

 
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HiJo
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Revert to abuse

July 20 2006, 5:59 AM 

The tried and true INC methodology.

 
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kumag_si_hijo
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avoiding the age old issue

July 20 2006, 5:22 PM 


your questionable sanity.


 
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HiJo
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Alternative

July 24 2006, 9:46 AM 

Better insane than in the cult dopey.

 
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kumag_si_Hijo
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good sign, the very first step toward recovery

July 24 2006, 5:26 PM 

admitting youre very sick.


    
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HiJo
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Your so clever

July 26 2006, 10:13 AM 

Yet don't even know what everyone else (Not in the INC that is) knows. You are wasting all you time in a man made cult. Whose insane?

 
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kumag_si_Hijo
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who's wacko?

July 26 2006, 11:23 AM 


I thought you've already admitted that to yourself. Only the sickest of mind can relate simple religious matter to nazi.

Your ideas is as hilariously sick as this:

http://www.evl.uic.edu/caylor/SMURF/aryan.html



 
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HiJo
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Truth hurts! :-)

July 28 2006, 3:20 AM 

What I witnessed in that childrens "worship service" didnt have anything remotely christian about it.

Just the image of bigger stronger victims bossing around other weaker and defenceless victims just as happened in the NAZI concentration camps.

INC = SICK

Anyway I hope you stay in the cult and never leave.



 
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kumag_si_Hijo
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youre as empty as ever

July 28 2006, 8:35 AM 


smurfs=kkk

inc=nazi

get the drift?

 
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HiJo
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You as uninteresting as always

July 31 2006, 2:32 AM 

May you -

Rot in the cult for the rest of your days

Spend all you time at the Chapel waiting for lift off

Spend you money on the Manalos so they can do all the things they tell you not too

And when you finally find out, remember HiJo told you so

 
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kumag_si_Hijo
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yeah, looney bigot

July 31 2006, 7:02 AM 



see it the way you want to see it.


 
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HELLO !

September 7 2006, 2:38 AM 

Children go to CWS to learn about God to !
Don't children go to catholic church too huh ?
wtf is your problem peopleee ?

 
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I surely will tell you WTF'ing problem is

September 7 2006, 10:30 AM 

> Children go to CWS to learn about God to !
> Don't children go to catholic church too huh ?
> wtf is your problem peopleee ?

The problem is the destruction of the family unit.
One key characteristic of a cultic group.
Same goes for men on the left, women on the right, the Binhi and Kadiwa organisation, the INC family hour; all done to destoy the family unit.
Tell me why two years olds needs to be seperated from their parents when worshipping God?

 
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CWS

December 4 2006, 4:33 PM 

Frist of all, how can you say that having "Family Hour" is destruction to a family unit? With the world today, families breaking up over infidelities, children "divorcing" their parents, parents kicking out their children from home when they reach the age of 18, or even make them pay rent if they want to stay in the family home! How can you dare to say that it is a destruction to the family unit? Men on left, women on right, what is wrong with that? We are to worship God in "orderliness". Is that not orderly? Buklod is to strengthen the relationships between husband and wife and how to guide our families in the Christian way of living. Would you rather go out to clubs while leaving your children with babysitters that you don't know what happens to your children once you leave your house? Kadiwa is to strengthen and build Who said 2 yr olds have to be separated from their parents when going to church? Isn't it better to see your teens in the company of other teens with the same belief and disciplines? Maybe you would rather your kids go out with their school friends to places that may get them into trouble. Binhi are for the children from the time they are baptized until they are 18. It is also vital for them to keep focused on the right way to serve our Almighty God and our Lord Jesus Christ. Do you see them complaining? The CWS are for children starting at age 4, so there is no one telling them to separate their 2 yr. old children from parents.

Second, DO catholic children go to church? How often? How much do they understand about it? Why do so many Catholics revert to the Church of Christ when they are proved wrong about the teaching in the Catholic church? If you are old enough to understand about God and Christ, and have an open mind to research the difference between the two, what is wrong with tryiing to find out the truth? They are NOT one in the same, the bible proves it and Christ has said it Himself.

You're just a frustrated child that has too much time on your hands. Go to school!

 
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Re: Children go to CWS to learn about God to !

February 11 2007, 12:09 AM 

> Children go to CWS to learn about God to !

Children go to CWS to learn about Iglesia ni Cristo!

 
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Re: Childrens worship service- SICK

September 10 2006, 11:39 PM 

My birth mother is an Iglesia Ni Manalo. I remember my sister and I going through the pews during children's worship service and doing all kinds of foolishness. I became so mad at the minister that one day I stole the book from his podium, "Fundamental Beliefs of the INC". They couldn't do jack crap to me because my dad would kick their asses. My dad was just doing the religion thing for my mom, but he himself is an atheist. My dad was the toughest SOB in Tondo, Manila. Nobody messed with him. Not even Manalo.

 
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BURN YOURSELVES TO HELL YOU IDIOT ATHEISTS

December 15 2006, 2:22 AM 

YOU BETTER NOT BOTHER US FROM SERVING GOD WHO CREATED US. JUST MIND YOUR CROOKED WAY OF LIFE WITH THE DEVIL--YOUR GOD.

 
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Re: Childrens worship service- SICK

December 20 2006, 4:08 PM 

I'l kick your dads ass infront of all his brothers, sister, parents and all his friends ...and I can assure you he or anybody cant do nothing about it. and after that I'll go back again on sunday and do it again... Your dad is only tough in your eyes because he use to rape you.... and you enjoyed it. tell yopur lazy dad to find a JOB !

 
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Lets sign this forum of

May 24 2007, 9:49 PM 

please

 
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Yes, and this method works on innocent children

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INC's deacons and deaconess, the most exploited members of the INC

June 29 2006, 10:11 PM 

November 11 2002 at 2:17 PM

The INC claims that all members of the INC will attain salvation. But when it comes to work or hardships, its the deacons and deaconess that bear the brunt of sufferings.

An ordinary member just have to worry attending the twice a week worship and making monetary contributions including thanksgiving or santa cena.

But for the deaconess and the deacons. They have to use their own money to travel to and fro to, in order to "visit" any member that failed to attend the previous worship. They have to be in the chapels long before the ordinary members come to attend the worship.
They spend so much time in "praying" or brainwashing sessions.

And they don't get paid, they use their own money, no allowance either from the INC administration.

And the ministers? They get paid well and the ministers also attain salvation. The point is the deacons and deaconess are the most exploited members of that cult.

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kumag_si_hijo
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yup, even the first century christians are exploited too

July 20 2006, 3:34 AM 

if I gonna follow your logic.

 
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An independent INC in north american and europe

June 29 2006, 10:15 PM 

January 31 2004 at 4:42 PM

The coming investiture of Eddie Boy or Eduardo to his father's 'throne' upon the retirement of Ka Erdie, the current executive miniter of the INC is more than probable. Fact of the matter is that so many talented, most senior and more qualified ministers were bypassed by Erdie to ensure the continious hold of the Manalo over the INC, by appointing his son as his successor. The loyalty of the INC ministers are non-transferrable however.

I believe that the INC ministers in north america and europe are in a better position to organize themselves - to free themselves from the clutches of the INC's central office. The INC members in america and europe would be better off if their resources are better spend for themselves instead of remitting those dollars or whatever to the INC office in quezon city.

All the majority of the INC ministers in these continents need to do is to declare their independence as soon as Erdie announces his retirement. These ministers must put an end, in a legal way, to change the power structure of the INC. The breakaway of either the INC's north american congregations and that of europe would end the Manalo's hold on the power that is more appropriately fitted to the INC ministers on those two continents.

An independent INC in north america or europe would also give a new image, a fresh start for the INC. Its about time its old-image be shed and start anew.

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kumag_ka
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what can I say?

July 20 2006, 3:38 AM 

you're fond of hearsay. FBI did better than you collecting info about how our church works and they awed at the unity and orderliness, and you, whats your source? your wild imagination, pathetic.

 
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What's your evidence about the FBI?

September 4 2006, 12:59 PM 

Last I heard, they told the U.S branch of the Iglesia ni Cristo to stop endorsing candidates lest their 501(c)3 tax-exempt status be revoked?

Where can I see hard evidence saying that the FBI was "impressed" by the Iglesia ni Cristo and not mere hearsay?

P.S - Your insults and outdated pictures are neither funny nor clever. It seems as to being a "kumag," it takes one to know one.

 
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GOSSIPER GO AWAY, IT'S NONE OF UR BUSINESS

December 15 2006, 2:34 AM 

YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT INC FAITH. BETTER SEE
A PSYCHIATRIST TO FIX UP YOUR NEARLY DEAD BRAIN.

 
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You've made it my business.

January 16 2007, 5:24 AM 

Either prove your statement, or shut up.

 
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Re: An independent INC in north american and europe

December 20 2006, 4:11 PM 

Hahahaha! Dream on Idiot..... Find a priest and hung him in the first tree you could find, if you want to rid this world of evil. lol

 
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The Perverted Christmas of the Iglesia ni Cristo

June 29 2006, 10:26 PM 

December 12 2003 at 1:08 PM

The Iglesia ni Cristo has a perverted Christmas celebration that replaces the Christmas celebration. Erano Manalo, the current leader of the Iglesia ni Cristo or Church of Christ of Felix Manalo, forbids members from ever enjoying or celebrating the Christmas season such as singing of Christmas songs, decorating the homes with christmas lights, christmas trees, or exchanging gifts and christmas cards. According to the Iglesia leader, such christmas celebration is of pagan origin and therefore, Iglesia members must not be involve in such pagan doctrine.

Is Erano Manalo a hypocrite? Yes, he is! He celebrates Christmas every December of each year. Only that his Christmas is a perverted Christmas. Instead of celebrating the birth of Jesus on December 25, he celebrates it earlier,which is, on the third Sunday of December. Erano wants to be sure that he reaps his members' monies before the December 25 comes. Instead of reciprocal giving of christmas gifts between members, members must only give gifts to their Manalo leader. Erano can not wait to have his pockets full of money gifts. Instead of singing Christmas songs, they sing thanksgiving hymns in their chapels. Instead of decorating their houses with Christmas lights and Christmas trees, they decorate their houses with dirt and scattered things, thanks to their Iglesia lifestyle where most of their time especially on December is taken by their Manalo leader and they don't have time to clean their houses. The greatest perversion by Manalo of Christmas is the changing of its name from Christmas into Thanksgiving. What a hypocrite cult leader pretending to not celebrate Christmas when he does. Oh yeah, it's pagan alright because Erano Manalo is a pagan enforcer-- their Sunday worship is in accordance with pagan god Sun.

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catholics have a faith of .....

December 20 2006, 4:28 PM 

a doubting gossiper, now I see why they love defending that satanic church of thiers. They are so distressed with the INC members giving thier offerings and claims that the leadeship in the Iglesia is just going to mis-use or pocket them for themselves. What they fail to understand is that the members who offered thoes monetary offerings put thier faith in GOD that those hard earned monetary offerings they gave would be handed aproprietly. If you believe that GOD can do wonders for his people, if you believe that GOD can build the whole universe by himself , would you not believe that GOD can crush anyone who would dare steal from him? common what faith do you catholics have ? you guys believe that a wooden statue could help you heal you from seious illness but yet you dont believe in the real GOD ! I see many of posters here are catholics from the philippines, you guys are the most gullible type, just like your parents before you and thier parents before them.... sorry bunch.

 
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Imagine no religion

June 29 2006, 10:34 PM 

November 26 2003 at 4:43 PM

Most of the world's religions, especially Manalo's have adopted a particularly warped idea of a "chosen people". In the minds of most theologians and thus most religionists the belief became general that God chose certain people to be saved in heaven while the remainder of the human race goes to eternal damnation.

There IS NOT the slightest foundation in the Bible for such a belief. In all the history of humanity there have been people of all faiths who have attained a spiritual expression of God's love, people who teach only love, and people who heal by their beingness, people who spread beauty and compassion where ever they go. They judge not anyone for they see the Christ or Buddha or Krishna within each soul.

These are the chosen people mentioned in the Bilble. They are the class described by Peter in his first letter: Ye are an elect race. Yet this beauty is distorted and perverted by the fallacies that Manalo and others hold about God and life- and thus most religions exhibit behaviors that no God would want.

The same goes for the "true" church of Christ, I use a common noun here in the word church to demonstrate how it is man who twists and turns scripture to suit his own needs. The original Greek translation is of God. Of course Manalo will not tell you this. The real church of God is not an outer sect , or religious denomination. From a spiritual point of view, it is any faith where man understands God as spirit. The true church is not made of creeds and forms, nor is it contained in walls of wood and stone; the heart of man is in his own temple (within) and the SPIRIT of truth is God.

Manalo and others tell you that your soul never dies, but they also tell you that you can spend an eternity in hell. The English word hell is from the Saxon verb helan, 'to cover and conceal', and contains no idea of a place of torment. Hinnon, another Biblical word for hell, in Hebrew means sorrow or groaning, and it also means purifying fires. Read Malachi 3:1-3, Josh. 15:8, 2 Kings 23:10 2 Chronicles 28:3, 33:6. Hinnon and Gehenna were garbage dumps symbolic of purifying bad behavior.

Manalo and other religionists describe incessantly and in great detail what could cause you to wind up there as well as how to get to heaven- has created a hell on earth. For some religions have taught that killing "others" for the "right reasons" will send you straight to heaven, while others have been taught that believing in God, but doing it the "wrong way" (Manalo's Pharisee religion comes to mind here)will send you straight to hell, no matter how exemplary a life one could lead.

These ideas have been brought to our world not by God, but by human beings. Many scriptures have been edited out including a doctrine of reincarnation by the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 A.D. The so called church elders felt reincarnation afforded man too ample a stage to gain restitution. Leaving such a doctrine in would greatly diminish CONTROL over the people. Stories also of Mary Magdelen were nearly edited completely by a male dominated world, for guess what, CONTROL and POWER.

The great Apostasy came about when man instead of looking within decided to make assumptions that God must be angry, vindictive, revengeful,and retributive because MAN is angry, retibutive, revengeful, vindictive and power hungry. People like Manalo, head Pharisee, imagine that God must be petty, nitpicking, particular, and exclusive because most religionists are petty, nitpicking, particular, and exclusive. See Mark 7:1-13 and Luke 14:1-13 and 7:36-39.

Manalo and other religionists teach that God designed eternal life based on a system of reward and punishment because religionists have designed life based on reward and punishment.

Think about it for a moment. Look at what is going on around the world. There are those who think it pleases God to kill as many infidels as possible, there are those who could care less about the environment because they think the end is near and thus they don't need to care. Yet if our ecological system breaks down we can blame it on God and his wrath.

We don't need to pray for heaven on earth because religionists like manalo create divisions rather than heal them thinking they have exclusive rights to heaven. These illusions of superiority have created the state the world is in now, not God but man and his disfunctional beliefs.

It is man who is creating all disharmonies in the world and it is man with God within him who can heal it. If we all would only listen to our own soul rather than some narrow minded religionists-like the Manalos of the world -we could have heaven on earth. Remember the term hell means to hide and conceal, and our religionists are doing just that- creating a hell through hiding and concealing.

You chosen ones who proclaim to love God don't seem to be reading your Bibles very much. I guess it is easier to have it hand fed to you so you don't have to think too much.

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Imagine no IRS

July 20 2006, 3:47 AM 

the world would be a better place.

A pathetic loser who maliciously attack a religion who have contributed to the society unlike this loser who is obviously one of those fault finding loser who cant do, hence preach.

 
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Re: he will become obsolete...

June 29 2006, 10:43 PM 

November 25 2003 at 3:48 PM

Dean, I know you will find this hard to believe if you've been hearing all this nonesense from Manalo since childhood, but there is no judgement day, no lake of fire, no hell and damnation, there is NOTHING God needs. No path to God is more direct than any other path. No religion is the "one true religion," no people are "the chosen people" and no prophet is the "greatest prophet". Think of it this way, if God is all there is, all there ever was,and all there ever will be, then there is nothing that is not God, and God is therefore wanting and needing nothing at all.

Most organized religions, especially Manalo's neo-Pharisee cult have taught most people all they know about God, and it has come strictly through the five senses.Our five senses pick up about one tenth the phenomena that is around us. Learning about God through one's sixth sense has always been forbidden. EVERY human who awakened their "third eye" (see Dueteronomy 6:6-9)including Jesus have been persecuted for this. They are told it is the work of the devil-another figment of man's imagination- as some unnatural force that man should not use.

And so, you've been taught about a God who lives outside your five senses, by using ONLY your five senses. Organized religion, especially Manalo's cheats you out seeing the world as a unified field where all people, plants, animals,planets, galaxies, etc are interconnected in ways our most powerful computers could not comprehend and so our world is reduced to a competition of who's god is better.

This idea of spiritual superiority is the most seductive idea that ever visited upon the human race, it can turn hearts to stone in an instant. In believing such falsehoods in organized religion, especially Manalo's, destroys the very family that it was supposed to embrace and give love, namely, our FELLOW MAN and the planet he has been entrusted.

We watched in utter disappointment as a minister of manalo's actually poked fun at another Christian group for not doing to a tee one of God's numerous "duties". We thought to ourselves how ignorant this supposed man of God actuallly is. Do you really think God is pleased at such behavior?

To get back to the original point, even Manalo is loved by God because God is love. I know you find this hard to believe, but it is ourselves who judge, it is ourselves who create in our imaginations, such a vindictive God because most people belong to self-righteous superiority based religions that have nothing to do with unconditional love. Still the mind and all judgements and you will hear God and he is talking all the time if we truly listen. Dispite Manalo.

We are enduring until we get the rest of our loved ones out of this Pharisee cult. We are also spreading the word to all who might consider joining Manalo the truth about his lies. If we all work together, people will start to see the damage he does to numerous and wonderful souls who have been mislead by this man.

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kumag_ka
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whats this?

July 20 2006, 3:50 AM 

your post is an epitome of wishful thinking, get a life.

 
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CHILDREN OF A LESSER GOD

June 29 2006, 10:47 PM 

November 29 2003 at 10:19 AM

Beliefs create behaviors, and from reading some of these posts most of the behaviors I see mirror the type of God most of you believe in; an angry vengeful and jealous god, one who is constantly passing judgement, one who is petty and egomaniacal, one who is intolerant, one who gives free will, but will punish you for using it.And the list goes on. Lets go over the big five:

First, you believe God needs something.

Second, you believe God can FAIL to get what he wants.

Third, you believe in a god that has separated you from him because you have not given him what he needs.

Fourth, you believe that god still needs what he needs so badly, that god now REQUIRES you to, from your separated position, to give it to him.

Fifth, you believe god WILL DESTROY YOU, if you don't meet his requirements.

Everything depends not on whether you believe IN God, but on what you believe ABOUT God. If God is the creator of everything, the All in All, the alpha and the omega, to whom shall God give orders?

These behaviors are historically demanded of their subjects by monarchs- egomaniacal, insecure, tyrannical monarchs at that- even Saddam was'nt this bad. They are not Godly demands in any sense, and it seems incredible that the world has not by now concluded that the demands are counterfeit.

If you believe in a god whose feelings get hurt when he does not get something then you believe in a lesser god than I. Most of you therefore, spend most of your lives searching for the "right way" to serve God. You prop yourselves up as being superior to all others in the hopes God will spare you.

Ther is nothing to be spared from, except your own imaginations! It was not god but human beings who felt they had to give other human beings orders to keep order. And the best way they knew to get people to follow orders was to say they came directly from God.

And as a result of this fear so many organized religions ( Manalos' Pharisees is one of them)have taught you exclusiveness, false superiority, intolerance of other faiths, narrow views of the beauty of God's creation instead of what it was intended to create. Instead of creating unity, they have produced division- because this is what they think God is about.

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Children of a Lesser God Part 2

June 29 2006, 10:50 PM 

December 7 2003 at 6:46 PM

God is NOT a singular being Super Being, living in somewhere in the universe or outside of it, having the same emotional needs and subject to the same emotional turmoil as humans. That Which is God cannot be hurt or damaged in any way, and so has no need to seek revenge or impose punishment. We realize this is hard to accept and upsets the very foundation of your belief system.

It would also upset Manalo and many other organized religions as well.They CANNOT teach this because the fear of eternal torment is a powerful tool in which to retain members- and thus, to continue to exist.If Manalo and other organized religions taught this truth they would all be out of business in a hurry.

If Manalo and other organized religions taught this truth, they could never also teach that anyone person is better than another, or that any soul is any more pleasing to God than another, or that any one path is the only path to Divinity. They could never teach that some souls go to "heaven" while others are condemned to "hell". It is this type of teaching of Manalo and others that create "separatist" philosophies and "exclusivist" theologies that are not only innaccurate but dangerous as well. I.E. 9/11/01.

Not only do Manalo and other organized religions TEACH you that you are separate from God, they TEACH you that you are separate from other human beings, they also TEACH you that you are not worthy of God. They TEACH you that you are shameful guilty creatures; that you were born in sin and do not deserve to be the dust under God's feet. They TEACH you are not to go to God smiling at His wonderful creation, but begging for mercy for your countless transgressions.

Through Manalo you are just as dangerous for you march looking for "signs" of destruction thus condemning what you were TAUGHT to call an evil world. "The beast that cometh up out of the abyss, Rev. 11:7, is organized religion working in opposition to a God of unconditional love. While the "wrath of God" is the individuals of these erroneous beliefs working at varying levels of perdition.

It is not God, but what Manalo thinks God wants, and that is the core message of whatmany other narrow minded self- righteous "knowers of truth" TEACH, that is fear, guilt and self denial. Thus people who are robbed of their self-esteem, rob others of theirs. People who do not love themselves cannot love others. People who see themselves as unworthy, see others as unworthy.

Perhaps this is why Manalo and others spend so much time plucking "splinters' out of everyone's eye, but do not see the chunk in their own. As a result you fear rather than love, condemn rather than find inner peace, "gnash teeth" rather than celebrate life with an all loving God.

- P.S. We realize that most of you were brought up with these teachings from birth- so has much of the rest of the world by other religious fundementalists. The problem with fundementalists is that human error is often equated with "offences against God", punishable by severe and disproportionate sanctions or suffering.- And this will be our next topic of discourse.

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Children of A LESSER GOD Pt 3

June 29 2006, 10:53 PM 

December 14 2003 at 8:01 PM

First, we are not Philipino, therefore any reply to us that is not in English will not be answered. Second, we ignore comments that are silly or inane. Thus having said that, we will resume our dialogue of what we observe in your church.

Many of you are probably getting ready to give large sums of money to Manalo, little or none of which goes to anything worthwhile save Manalo's own power base. Yet most of you don't care because in your heart of hearts most of you are too lazy to explore God's mysteries on your own, yet you say you love God sooooo much. Since most of you don't read the Bible we will quote for you just like Manalo does.

First, let us quote Lamentations 3:38-40, Out of the Most High evil does not come. Therefore why should a living man question concerning punishment (consequence) for his sins? Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to the Lord. Let us ponder this question and put it in other words; the Lord will do nothing for you that you will not do for yourself.Thus most of you deny yourselves and God because it is easier to let someone do it for you.

The description of the Last Judgement, for example, as given in the Gospels, has been used by Manalo and other organized religions to terrify men and women and thus compel them to unite with their church. It is this fear that sets in motion a host of errors. Let us put it in stark terms so that you may actually think about life and God.

The "last days" of this "evil world" are a creation of man because it is man who is systematically destroying his own envirenment. Nothing is more gentle than nature and nothing has been more cruel to nature than man. Yet you and Manalo and other organized religions step aside from all involvement in this and deny any responsibility(yet most of the cars in the church parking lot are gas guzzling, environmentally unfriendly SUVs). You might say you have no fault in this, and in this you are right, it is not a matter of fault but of choice.

Instead of spending so much time and money in the church, why not get involved in something truly worthwhile. It is hard when you are taught to live in constant fear of God's wrath one cannot uphold "the body of Christ" as Christ meant it. When one chooses unconditional love-

We can CHOOSE to end the destruction of our rain forests tomorrow if you choose to get involved, but with fear you are too busy saving yourself from God's wrath.

We can CHOOSE to stop depleting our ozone layer protecting our planet, but you are too busy in fear giving money to Manalo.

We can CHOOSE to save the 40,000 people who die each day from hunger, but Manalo needs the money to "save" you from God's curses. More fear.

We can CHOOSE to end the destruction of our eco-systems, but why bother it involves only "the people of this world", besides, you spend too much time in the church praying (because of fear)only for yourselves anyway.

We can CHOOSE to end prejudice and division, but you and Manalo are too busy creating it (out of fear)for your own selfish ends i.e. salvation than to end it for world peace.

Yet all of you are convinced it is God's punishment.You NEED these things to get worse otherwise your salvation is in question. This is why we think religion can be dangerous. You actually think you NEED this destruction to save your butts.

The grandest teaching of Christ was not that you shall have everlasting life- but you Do. Not that we shall have brotherhood in God, but we already do-all we have to do is believe it. For we are the creators of our reality and life cannot show up any other way than the way we think it will; did not Christ say if you had the faith of a mustard seed you can move mountains?

It is because of this fear of God's wrath you reduce yourself to a spirituality that teaches fear and dependence and intolerance. Even though your description of God better suits the definition of a devil (if there were one), you have assigned devilish characteristics to God in order to convince yourself that God's unconditional love is too good to be true and that you can't assume God-like qualities-even though Jesus did. Thus you deny yourselves and God to accept a lesser god. Ironically, in the name of God!

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SAVE YOUR SOUL FIRST WHILE SAVING THE WHOLE WORLD PROBLEM

December 15 2006, 4:54 AM 

ALLOW ME TO ADDRESS YOU MR. WORLD PRESIDENT WHICH I THINK REALLY FITS YOU WITH YOUR "ALL OUT CONCERN TO THE WORLD ENVIRONMENT??" RATHER THAN TO FOLLOW TRULY AND WHOLLY GOD'S WORDS, I SUGGEST TO HAVE YOUR SOUL SAVE FIRST WHILE SAVING THE WHOLE WORLD PROBLEM. IF YOU DON'T FULLY BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE, THAT'S YOUR BIG PROBLEM. BECAUSE IGLESIA NI CRISTO (CHURCH OF CHRIST) TRULY BELIEVES IN THE BIBLE. WE TOO CARE ABOUT TEMPORAL THINGS AND ENVIRONMENT BUT WE GIVE PRIORITY TO OUR SOULS' SALVATION. LIFE HERE ON EARTH IS TOO SHORT (MAYBE RANGING FROM 1 SECOND TO AN AVE. OF 60 YEARS). HENCE, WE GIVE VALUE TO LIFE EVERLASTING COME JUDGEMENT DAY.
MR. WORLD PRESIDENT, AS IF YOU'RE TRULY CONCERN ABOUT US (IGLESIA NI CRISTO) BUT IN MY OWN ASSESSMENT, YOU'RE REAL MOTIVE IS TO PERSUADE US TO ABANDON OUR FAITH IN THE CHURCH. DON'T BE A HIPOCRITE, GUY. DON'T UNDER ESTIMATE OUR FAITH, YOU CAN NOT DESTROY THE CHURCH WITH YOUR OBVIOUS SMEAR CAMPAIGN AND TRICKY WAY AGAINST OUR FAITH. NOTICEABLY, YOU ALWAYS SINGLE OUT BRO. MANALO IN MOST OF YOUR ALLEGATIONS. DETRACTING HIM FALSELY AND UNDERMINING OUR FAITH WILL SURELY MAKE US MORE FIRM AND STRONGER IN OUR FAITH.

YES, MR. WORLD PRESIDENT, IT'S JUST A REMINDER, DON'T MISS YOUR WEEKLY MEETING WITH ALL THE PRESIDENTS OF THE WORLD TO TACKLE ALL THEIR PROBLEMS AND SOLUTIONS. I HOPE YOU WOULD HAVE A LONGER LIFE TO SET THE WORLD FREE FROM ITS CONTINUING DESTRUCTION. PERHAPS, YOU CAN ASK HELP FROM YOUR god that you believe in.

 
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Accusations of sexual immorality plagued Felix Manalo through out His life.

June 29 2006, 11:03 PM 

August 11 2003 at 3:13 AM

In a decision by the Court of Appeals, in the case of "The People vs. Rosita Trillanes" published in July 1942, (A court case initiated by Manalo) the Justices gave an extremely unfavorable estimate of Manalo's character stating:

"...Manalo, took advantage of his position as head of the Iglesia ni Cristo, and...employed religion as a cloak to cover his...immoral practices; that he pretended to be the Messias sent by God; and that to persuade his victims, he cited the example of Solomon and his many wives"

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ALL LIES, THIS CASE IS ALREADY CLOSED

December 15 2006, 3:43 AM 

ACCUSATIONS TO BRO. MANALO WERE NOT PROVEN BEFORE THE COURT, THESE WERE ALL LIES JUST TO DISCREDIT OUR BRO.MANALO. YOU BETTER TALK ABOUT BASIC DOCTRINES INSTEAD OF TALKING BASELESS CHARACTER ASSASSINATION.

 
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COURT STILL IN SESSION

June 27 2014, 9:29 AM 


Not quite closed!
Several issues beg for attention...

Rosita claimed and SWORE:

A. Manalo RAPED her.
B. Manolo DID NOT rape her.

Both can't be true! Thus, she was a LIAR.

A DEACONESS LIAR, awarded with a Deaconess position after her retraction. An English, legal document affirmed with her thumb print. She was illiterate, homeless, disowned by family, manipulated by the last messenger.

1. A pitiful, poor, uneducated, ignorant lass; taken advantaged of and manipulated, unfortunately. But nevertheless, a liar. Why?

Because if her REPEATED RAPE charges were true, then her retraction is FALSE. That makes her a LIAR.

2. On the other hand, if rape charges were untrue, she's not only a liar but a damnable PERJURER. In either case, she is a LIAR.

3. With self-evident proof that she's a liar, Manalo still rewarded her, appointing her as a DEACONESS. A position supposed to be occupied by TRUTHFUL, UP-RIGHT people. A
QUID-PRO-QUO? Money changed hands? An un-educated lass affirming with her thumb mark, a legal document in English, with epic implications? Manalo forgave and forgot?
Give us a break.

4. In the 1950's, why didn't Manalo sue the tabloids? More people, with more lurid tales would surface? The least costly option, attracting the least attention, was a
Rosita "retraction", plus a Deaconess position.

5. We have the Heavenly Court, Philippine Courts, and the Court of Public Opinion.
It seems that Manalo has been
condemned in the last two.

CASE CLOSED!

 
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Re: COURT STILL IN SESSION

June 27 2014, 11:48 AM 


 
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Members are leaving

June 29 2006, 11:14 PM 

October 16 2003 at 2:41 PM

there are so many people reading this board and going to all the links such as NICA, EXAMINE, INC INSIDERS,
XCRUSADERS, PKELLYS sight, they are all being fed the truth and many are LEAVING.
ones, two and whole families.
matter of fact the minister was stating AGAIN last night members have to progress in their membership. Get more involved, give more money, become a deacon or other officer, GET MORE INVOLVED, DONATE MORE TIME AND MONEY.
In the parking lot you can hear the conversations, they are talking about the pages and the links and people are reading those pages and FINDING the truth.
Thats all that matters, people have to make up their own minds.
Members are starting to understand they are not cursed for leaving the Iglesia Ni Cristo. We been told that all our lives but that not true and people starting to understand that.
The INTERNET and people starting to voice their doubts and concerns makes a difference.

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Here I am - one of the products of the forums you have mentioned above.

June 30 2006, 12:45 AM 


Those forums are the major factor of our apostasy. My dad and my siblings left this demonic cult and my mom is the last one to step out of INC just recently. I have also reverted to their former faiths those I "deceived" to join the INC since HS.

Many are stepping forward.

 
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WHO ARE YOU, YOU'RE FAKE. NOBODY'S LEAVING THE INC

December 15 2006, 5:31 AM 

KITA NIYO NA, HALATANG-HALATA KA NA KAYO. KUNWARI ANG MGA ORGANIZED CHURCH KUNO ANG INAATAKE NIYO. ANG PUNTIRIA NIYO LANG TALAGA AY ANG IGLESIA NI CRISTO. SINO ANG MANINIWALA SA INYO NA UMAALIS NA KAMI SA IGLESIA, PANAGINIP NIYO LANG YUN. ANO KAYO HILO..... SAAN KAMI PUPUNTA.... SA INYONG RELIHIYON NA WALA NA SA KATINUAN ANG ARAL PURO TRADITION AT LABAG SA BIBLIA? MGA AMO NIYO WALANG BINATBAT PAGDATING SA BIBLIA? ANG ALAM NIYO LANG PURO PANINIRA. LUMABAN KAYO BIBLIA SA BIBLIA. HUWAG KAYONG MAGTAGO SA INTERNET. DI KASI KAYO MAKALABAN NG HARAPAN, SABAGAY DITO NGA NAMAN SA INTERNET KAHIT ANO PUWEDE MONG ISULAT KAHIT WALANG BATAYAN, MAKAPANIRA LANG.

YOU ARE NOT TRULY FAITHFUL INC MEMBER, YOU CAN NOT DECEIVE THE MEMBERS OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO TO YOUR DECEITFUL MOTIVES. NO TRUE MEMBER OF THE CHURCH WILL LEAVE THE TRUE IGLESIA NI CRISTO.

 
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how the INC's take liberties on what's written in the bible.

July 12 2006, 1:43 PM 

Jesus is shown to be God most dramatically when Thomas, finally convinced that Jesus has risen, falls down and exclaims, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28)—an event many in Iglesia have difficulty dealing with. When confronted with this passage in a debate with Catholic Answers founder Karl Keating, Iglesia apologist Jose Ventilacion replied with a straight face, "Thomas was wrong."

They call Jesus a LIAR too when jesus promised that his Church would never apostatize. He told Peter, "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). If his Church had apostatized, then the gates of hell would have prevailed against it, making Christ a liar.

In other passages, Christ teaches the same truth. In Matthew 28:20 he said, "I am with you always even until the end of the world." And in John 14:16, 18 he said, "And I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you forever ... I will not leave you desolate."

If Iglesia members accept the apostasy doctrine, they make Christ a liar. Since they believe Jesus Christ is not a liar, they are ignoring what Christ promised, and their doctrine contradicts Scripture.

They are, however, fulfilling Scripture. While Jesus taught that his Church would never apostatize, the Bible does teach that there will be a great apostasy, or falling away from the Church. Paul prophesies: "[Do not] be quickly shaken in mind or excited . . . to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion [Greek: apostasia] comes first" (2 Thess. 2:2–3); "Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons" (1 Tim. 4:1); and, "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own liking, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths" (2 Tim. 4:3–4). By falling away from the Church, members of Iglesia are committing precisely the kind of apostasy of which they accuse the Catholic Church.

The Bible tells us in 1 John 4:1: "Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world." Was Felix Manalo a true prophet? Is his church the "true Church?" If we test the claims of Iglesia ni Cristo, the answer is apparent. His total apostasy doctrine is in flat contradiction to Christ’s teaching. There is no way that Iglesia ni Cristo can be the true Church of Christ.

 
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ULOL KA IRS, IKAW RIN ITO. NOBODY'S LEAVING INC

December 15 2006, 5:21 AM 

KITA MO, HALATANG-HALATA KA NA. KUNWARI ANG MGA ORGANIZED CHURCH KUNO ANG INAATAKE MO, BOLAHIN MO LELONG MO. ANG PUNTIRIA MO LANG TALAGA AY ANG IGLESIA NI CRISTO. SINUNGALING KA. SINO ANG MANINIWALA SA IYO NA UMAALIS KAMI SA IGLESIA, PANAGINIP MO LANG YUN. ANO KA HILO..... SAAN KAMI PUPUNTA.... SA IYONG RELIHIYON NA WALA NA SA KATINUAN ANG ARAL PURO TRADITION AT LABAG SA BIBLIA? SINO ANG NAG-UTOS SA IYO NA GAWIN ITO, MGA AMO MONG WALANG BINATBAT PAGDATING SA BIBLIA? ANG ALAM NIYO LANG PURO PANINIRA. LUMABAN KAYO BIBLIA SA BIBLIA. HUWAG KAYONG MAGTAGO SA INTERNET. DI KASI KAYO MAKALABAN NG HARAPAN, SABAGAY DITO NGA NAMAN SA INTERNET KAHIT ANO PUWEDE MONG ISULAT KAHIT WALANG BATAYAN, MAKAPANIRA LANG.

YOU IRS, HIPROCRITE, YOU CAN NOT DECEIVE THE MEMBERS OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO TO YOUR DECEITFUL MOTIVES. YOU'RE A GREAT LIAR LIKE YOUR FATHER=DEVIL. NO TRUE MEMBER OF THE CHURCH WILL LEAVE THE TRUE IGLESIA NI CRISTO.

 
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Manalo's Mockery of God and YOU

June 29 2006, 11:23 PM 

November 11 2003 at 5:57 PM

Most religions including Manalo's have done so much damage to the world that it is time for a re-awakening. Think about what Manalo is doing to you.You are told from your earliest days that you are unworthy and bad.
You've been taught fear BEFORE you have done anything wrong.
You've been taught guilt so you must reduce yourself to a spirituality which teaches dependency to Manalo, yes Manalo through intolerance, rather than love, power and acceptance. By this we mean the constant agressive approach Manalo uses emphasising his role as God's interpreter using the lake of fire as a fear tactic to consolidate power and escape accountability. Manalo stifles dissent hiding behind what he says is God's word.
You've been led to believe an entire theology based on a lie!
You've been manipulated by Manalo because he needs something for God to be angry about so that even people who lead exemplary lives somehow need him as a mediator!
You've been perpetrated against by a man who Knows nothing of unconditional love to think that God would create someone so imperfect as to torture them for all eternity.
You've allowed the authority of Manalo to influence you on matters of dating and marriage, even dancing!Is God that petty as to not allow a celebration of life? Do you really think that God told Manalo not to marry the potential love of your life?
Have any of you ever soul searched to come up with your own sense of what is good for you?
Or is it easier to let someone make these decisions for you?
You are allowing Manalo to make a mockery of God.
You are allowing Manalo to say that God made inherently imperfect beings then have demanded of them to be perfect, or face damnation.
You are allowing Manalo to say that God's son- whom you say is perfect- has saved you from your own imperfection- the imperfection that GOD gave you.
In other words, God's Son has saved you from what his father did!
Now this is how Manalo says God has it set up.
Now who is mocking whom?

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is these the best the die hard catholics can muster

July 20 2006, 3:55 AM 

prioritizing focus on others rather than police your own rank and heres the result:

bototmline: NEGLECT






    
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PLS. FORGIVE IRS FOR HE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

December 15 2006, 5:39 AM 

KITA MO, HALATANG-HALATA KA NA. KUNWARI ANG MGA ORGANIZED CHURCH KUNO ANG INAATAKE MO, BOLAHIN MO LELONG MO. ANG PUNTIRIA MO LANG TALAGA AY ANG IGLESIA NI CRISTO. SINUNGALING KA. SINO ANG MANINIWALA SA IYO NA UMAALIS KAMI SA IGLESIA, PANAGINIP MO LANG YUN. ANO KA HILO..... SAAN KAMI PUPUNTA.... SA IYONG RELIHIYON NA WALA NA SA KATINUAN ANG ARAL PURO TRADITION AT LABAG SA BIBLIA? SINO ANG NAG-UTOS SA IYO NA GAWIN ITO, MGA AMO MONG WALANG BINATBAT PAGDATING SA BIBLIA? ANG ALAM NIYO LANG PURO PANINIRA. LUMABAN KAYO BIBLIA SA BIBLIA. HUWAG KAYONG MAGTAGO SA INTERNET. DI KASI KAYO MAKALABAN NG HARAPAN, SABAGAY DITO NGA NAMAN SA INTERNET KAHIT ANO PUWEDE MONG ISULAT KAHIT WALANG BATAYAN, MAKAPANIRA LANG.

YOU IRS, AN HIPROCRITE, YOU CAN NOT DECEIVE THE MEMBERS OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO TO YOUR DECEITFUL MOTIVES. YOU'RE A GREAT LIAR LIKE YOUR FATHER=DEVIL. NO TRUE MEMBER OF THE CHURCH WILL LEAVE THE TRUE IGLESIA NI CRISTO.

 
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The INC's best kept secret?

June 29 2006, 11:27 PM 

November 10 2003 at 11:15 AM

How much of the INC's money in the banks(foreign and local) are being accessed by members of the Manalo family? Or how much of the Manalo's money, in the banks of course, belong to the INC?

Could this be the reason why the INC is not providing its financial statements to its members because the INC money's literally belong to the Manalo's? That there is no distinction as to which money belongs to the INC or to the Manalo's since both are one and the same when it comes to money?

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do you see any of Manalos living in excessive lifestyle?

July 20 2006, 4:03 AM 

and havent you see any of our chapels or heard about how many chapels INC are building yearly? Are our grandious chapels look like sign of corruption to you? Do you have proofs that INC leaders are living in lavish lifestyle?


 
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LIFE STYLE OF THE RICH & INFAMOUS

July 10 2014, 8:23 PM 


“GENERAL OFFICE OF THE IGLESIA NI KRISTO
IN THE PHILIPPINE ARCHIPELAGO

“42 Broadway, New Manila, San Juan, Rizal
“Circular No. 19 – Series 1938

“July 25, 1938

“TO ALL BRETHREN
IN ALL PLACES OF THE IGLESIA NI KRISTO...

=============================

Please note that the Pasugo cited the 1938 address at
Broadway, New Manila. What was Broadway in 1938?

This was the Forbes Park of its time. Even then, Manalo's INK had expensive tastes, all paid for by the Cult's duped drones. I refer to it as INK because that was on its letterhead.




 
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MANALO'S EXPENSIVE TASTES

July 10 2014, 8:35 PM 


“GENERAL OFFICE OF THE IGLESIA NI KRISTO
IN THE PHILIPPINE ARCHIPELAGO

“42 Broadway, New Manila, San Juan, Rizal
“Circular No. 19 – Series 1938

“July 25, 1938

“TO ALL BRETHREN
IN ALL PLACES OF THE IGLESIA NI KRISTO

=============================

Please note that the Pasugo cited the 1938 address at
Broadway, New Manila. What was Broadway then?

This was the Forbes Park of its time. Even then, Manalo's INK had expensive tastes, all paid for by the Cult's duped drones. I refer to it as INK because that was on its letterhead.



 
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Last night

June 29 2006, 11:41 PM 

October 30 2003 at 7:53 PM

the Minister was preaching about faith and works. Stated faith without works is not enough to get a person into heaven. Criticized the Catholics, Protestants, Hindus and made insulting remarks and jokes about other religions.
He then staretd talking about Jesus. Stated you have to have faith and belong to Jesus Christ church, the Iglesia Ni Cristo. Then read from his sheet QUOTE
"In Matthew chapter 16, verse 18 it says, You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church and all the powers will not prevail against it, not even death".
As we were leaving a visitor asked the Minister if he believes Matthew 16:18 to be true and the Minister stated YES. The visitor then asked how can you believe it and still preach the church was aposticized.
Several brethren stopped, realized what was said and agreed with the visitor. Started a long heated conversation between brethren, deacons and the Minister.
Created serious food for thought.
Lots of people still discussing it today after the fact.
opened my eyes. researching other contradictions now
and asking lots questions.
Simple question created so many new questions.

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IF YOU'RE TRUE INC MEMBER

December 15 2006, 6:55 AM 

if you're a true inc member, you should not have posted this alleged incident because it won't help you or do any good to the church. You can always direct your question to other minister or higher rank minister to satisfy you and your visitor. I myself have encountered this question and immediately received satisfied biblical answer from an inc minister. I'm sure you can have it too.

 
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The INC's guessing game.......its theory of the big four being the angels in rev. 7:2 and

June 29 2006, 11:45 PM 

October 30 2003 at 5:52 PM

Whats the INC's claim? That the big four were the four angels the stopped the first world war. When did the big four convene? They met in France to draft the treaty of Versailles in 1919.

Were the big four responsible for starting the first world war or releasing the four winds in 1914? Obviously not. Did the big four stop or end the first world war in 1918? Clearly not.

How the hell could the big four stopped that war in 1919 when the war was already stopped in 1918? Just to show our readers how ridiculous the INC's interpretations are.

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komentarista's simple question, ask our INC MINISTER

December 15 2006, 8:30 AM 

INC MINISTERS WILL GLADLY ANSWER YOUR QUERIES. JUST VISIT THEM AT ANY INC CHAPEL NEAR YOU. DO NOT JUDGE INC SO HASTILY. HATRED IN YOUR HEART WILL NOT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. YOU'RE SO UNREASONABLE AND UNJUST. I'VE HEARD THIS LESSON IN ONE OF OUR WORSHIP SERVICES.

 
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Lord! Save Them From Manalo!

June 29 2006, 11:48 PM 

November 2 2003 at 8:30 PM

One of the biggest problems in the world today is organized religion. In a world where people want to link arms and walk hand in hand, seeking unity in times of trouble and turmoil we have organized religions like Manalo's FORBIDDING religious tolerance.How can we ask the world to heal itself when organized religion like Manalo's-the very institution that was meant to provide healing-does nothing but to inflict more and more damage; open wider the wound, spread further and further his righteous indignation, his non-acceptance, his utter disdain, his total intolerance. Manalo has you believing God does the same thing.

Manalo's projection of God is a reflection of his own heart. Manalo's god is a small petty, jealous diety who says to his people bow down and give money (little of which goes to any real cause other than securing his own power and influence. Yet he tells you he is the one sent by god as his messenger. What kind of message is this? Manalo does not begin to understand that love is the basis of all life, nor can he understand a love that is unconditional. Manalo turns God into the worst replica of humanity. Manalo is making a mockery of God for he discourages ALL church members to ventue outside his faulty doctrines. He CANNOT allow this because his entire power structure is based on it!

Wake up people and read for yourselves. There is plenty of information out there that is much more God inspired than Manalo's egomaniacal teachings. As we said before you are all FEARFUL, very few of you have the courage to step outside the box because Manalo has you so afraid. Or is it you just don't want to think for yourselves. Our planet is in the midst of a spiritual crisis because of the likes of Manalo and other organized religions with their own brands of intolerance. Manalo is just another variation of the great apostasy.

Because of organized religion you all imagine God as a being emotionally just like you, only bigger and more powerful, living somewhere in the universe-some kind of parent figure with ego needs and emotional agitations that match your own, a God who easily gets "hurt" and thus does worse than the worst humanity ever did to itself as a means of punishment.THESE are HUMAN attributes placed by man and man only through his primitive spiritual unfoldment. It is a belief coming from the likes of Manalo and others like him.

It is the result of NOT thinking and praying for one's own truth as one sees it but through the eyes of Manalo and other fools like him. Manalo and other organized religions thus form a closed circle around their members, thereby demonstrating the limitations of their understanding. Such quarantine living does nothing to promote an experience of humanity's oneness, and, indeed, produces a sense of the need for a protective shield, segregating people according to thier most narrow views. The irony is you are actually segregating yourselves from God! With the help of Manalo.

Books you can read:
Conversations With God- A wonderful trilogy that details God's true intent through conversations with Him. A book Manalo clearly would not want you to read.

Autobiography of a Yogi- It is a wonderful story of spiritual unfoldment. Some of the most profound Biblical interpreations can be found here.Most Christian churches, especially Manalo's would clearly be threatened by it.- more to come

It is time for true spiritual unfoldment,one that frees all from narrow minded ecclesiastical mutations!

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GOD PLS. SAVE US FROM "I R S DECEITFUL DOGMA"

December 15 2006, 8:38 AM 

PLS. SAVE US FROM "I R S DECEITFUL DOGMA". BEWARE OF HIM. HE'S A LIAR. HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT IGLESIA NI CRISTO DOCTRINES. HE JUST IGNORES EVERY TRUTH WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE.

 
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The Iglesia Ni Cristo would like to salute Pope John Paul in his 25th "Silver" Anniversary

June 30 2006, 12:06 AM 

October 14 2003 at 7:23 PM

On behalf of the true INC members (the reformed ones" "not the wanna-be fanatics INC members. we would like to salute the Papacy in his Anniversary, just like how we salute the commemmoration of the birth of Bro. Felix Manalo, and also Children's Day on Bro. Erano Manalo's Birthday.

We are sorry for discriminating against our fellow Catholics since in the Bible it says Love one another and Thou shalt not hate thy neighbor.

on behalf of the Reformed Iglesia Ni Cristo..the true ones...we salute one another with a Holy Kiss, the "churches of Christ salute you!!!!!!!!!!!

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NEW ELIJAH YOU'RE FAKE, LIAR, DECEIVER, EVIL DOER

December 15 2006, 8:49 AM 

NEW ELIJAH, YOU'RE FAKE, LIAR, DECEIVER, EVIL DOER. THERE'S NO SUCH A REFORMED IGLESIA NI CRISTO. YOU'RE JUST DREAMING AND CREATING IT YOURSELF TO DECEIVE OTHERS. YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW TRUE INC MEMBERS CONVICTIONS.

 
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FEAR and the INC

June 30 2006, 12:14 AM 

October 18 2003 at 1:51 PM

Felix Manalo has developed an entire thought system about God based on human experience rather than spiritual truths.This has been passed down from father to son and on to all of you. It is a fear based reality, rooted in a fearful vengeful god. IT IS FUNDEMENTALLY WRONG but to deny that thought would be to totally disrupt your whole theology not to mention Manalo's illusory self-importance. Thus the lie continues because you are all afraid you must reduce yourselves to a spirituality which teaches fear and DEPENDENCE and INTOLERANCE, rather than love, power and acceptance. ALL Of you INC people are filled with fear-and your biggest fear is that what you are taught may be very wrong. And so you create along with Manalo the biggest fantasy you can to defend yourself against the truth.Any real truth that may truelly set you free is denied by Manalo as the false promise of the devil.
MANALO does this by:
1)Trying to co-opt God's love. (Based solely on fear, how could God love anyone outside the church)
2)Claim that you are sole owner.( This keeps the money rolling in)
3)Laying claim viciously. (constantly attacking other faiths and people as hopeless or as worthless)
4)You are the only chosen. (Therefore no prayer for anyone but yourselves, even the gems are selfish in nature and are really only for present members as a means of incessantly drilling into your heads the Manalo lie)
5)Manalo is very jealous of the standing he has placed on himself. (Marrying non-members is his biggest threat since they might start seeing truth for the first time from outsiders.

This fear based love is not the way God loves, yet this is the way you perceive his love, because this is how Manalo made you love him.If someone claims that God loves all people equally, accepts all faiths, embraces every nation, MANALO calls this blasphemy.In other words it is blasphemy for God to love in any other way than the way MANALO says God loves.By these lies you are DENYING GOD. This fear based God reality dominates your experience of love: for not only do you see yourself receiving love which is conditional, you give love the same way (LORD, LORD did we not attend the worship service!)Just like the Pharisee, exact in every detail but totally lacking love and mercy and compassion.
Fear is the energy which contracts, closes down, draws in, runs, hides, hoards (The Israelites tried to hoard the manna from heaven but it rotted)
Love is the energy which expands, opens up, reveals, shares, heals.

This is what the INC tries to do to you:keep you DEPENDENT on him and him alone by twisting and obfuscating the truth. Tries to embarras you by putting your name and amount on envelopes to shame you into giving more. There are other things too but there is not enough space or time.

The LORD is with ALL of us ALL the time.
The LORD is ALL loving ALL the time.
The LORD is friend to all, all the time.


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BOOKS FROM REAL MESSENGER?? NO WAY IRS. WE HAVE ALREADY THE BIBLE.

December 15 2006, 9:00 AM 

BOOKS FROM REAL MESSENGER OF GOD?? ...NO WAY IRS........ WE HAVE ALREADY THE BIBLE WHICH IS ENOUGH FOR OUR SALVATION. MAYBE YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE BIBLE. OTHERWISE, YOU'RE NOW ONE OF US MEMBER OF THE TRUE IGLESIA NI CRISTO (CHURCH OF CHRIST).

 
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The INC's only proof of its angel doctrine - "its not literal", what???

June 30 2006, 12:22 AM 

October 8 2003 at 8:47 AM

Revelation 7:2-3 mentions the angel of the east "cried with a loud voice to the four angels, do not harm the earth, neither the trees nor the sea until we have sealed the servants of god on their foreheads". Yet the INC claimed that "cried with a loud voice" is not literal.

If "cried with a loud voice is not literal", what about the trees, earth and the sea? If they are not literal, what are they? If the INC will claim that they are literal, that would make the INC's angel doctrine a butt of a joke? Imagine, "cried with a loud voice" is not literal but the message was literal?

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YOU DIDN'T COMPLETE THE INC LESSON ABOUT THE ANGEL

December 15 2006, 9:07 AM 

YOU DIDN'T COMPLETE THE INC LESSON ABOUT THE ANGEL. BETTER GO BACK TO OUR MINISTERS TO COMPLETE YOUR COURSE. I'M SURE YOU'LL BE ENLIGHTENED, JUST OPEN YOUR EYES AND MIND WIDE TO UNDERSTAND.

 
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ERANO MANALO IS DESPERATE IN FORCING MEMBERS TO GET CONVERTS

June 30 2006, 12:25 AM 

October 13 2003 at 12:08 PM

All Iglesia ni Cristo or Church of Christ members, be forwarned of your increased weekly duties.

Fax messages from the Central Administration in the Philippines has ordered all ministers assigned everywhere to make getting converts obligatory through weekly monitoring of officer's and non officer's performances in getting new converts.

A report called "Weekly Follow-Up Card" will be distributed to each and every one of the following officers:

Deacons and Deaconesses
Choir members
Records Officers
Finance Officers
Edification Officers
Light of Salvation Officers
Buklod Officers
Kadiwa Officers
Binhi Officers
Area Secretaries and leaders

Accordingly, each one of these officers will have this weekly follow up card to fill up the following information:

Officer Information:

1. Name of officer;
2. The office of the officer;
3. Area group that the officer belongs.

Prospective Convert Information:

1. Name of Prospect for conversion;
2. Action taken by the officer in order to convert this prospect;
3. Dates the action was performed by the officer.
4. Officer's signature;
5. Supervisor's signature.

The weekly card will be filled up by each officer and surrendered to his/her supervisor to check if the officer has been performing his added duty of bringing new converts.

Erano Manalo believes that with this new method of
monitoring the affairs of each and every officer, at least membership will increase by 50% because officers constitute 50% of total memberships.

Erano Manalo is getting desperate and has great wrath on his members by pushing them to get new members. Why? Is he in cohort with the devil who has also great wrath? Here is what the Book of Revelation says:

"Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." (Rev.12:12 NKJV)

Therefore, it is not surprising why Erano Manalo has great wrath on his members, obligating and pushing them to get new candidates for deception. He knows and his devil father knows that time is now short. Pretty soon, the Savior Jesus Christ will come. That is the time when the devil will be imprisoned and could no longer do his work of deception:

"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while." (Rev.20:1-3 NKJV).

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Flirty Fishing

September 12 2006, 8:26 AM 

In the Bible, Jesus tells Peter that from now on he will be a fisher of men. I guess the INC twisted this verse to mean that they should send out INC women to acquire potential male converts using their womanly charms. Any method is welcome, including seduction and even prostitution. Nearly every convert story I read in the Pasugo magazines contains a lonely man brought in by an INC woman that they later married (or hoped to "hook it up" with). It follows a pattern:

1) INC girl attracts guy
2) guy comes to the locale
3) guy wants some pussy so he converts for the girl
4) guy and girl marry OR girl just gets him stuck in INC.


 
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MELFICE'S MALICIOUS STATEMENTS CAME FROM HIS FATHER, THE DEVIL

December 15 2006, 12:06 PM 

YOU POOR MELFICE AND YOUR TOO MUCH SPECULATIONS AGAINST THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO WILL BRING YOU TO YOUR OWN DESTRUCTION TO HELL WITH YOUR FATHER, THE DEVIL. BASELESS ACCUSATION TO OTHER RELIGIONS IS REALLY YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE.

 
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BE THANKFUL, GOD USES BRO. MANALO TO SAVE YOU FROM HELL

December 15 2006, 9:22 AM 

BE THANKFUL, GOD USES BRO. MANALO AND IGLESIA NI CRISTO AS A WHOLE TO SAVE YOU FROM HELL. YOU'RE THE ONE WHO IS SO DESPERATE BECAUSE YOU FAILED TO TEACH THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF GOD AND LORD JESUS CHRIST TO YOUR MEMBERS. HENCE, BECAUSE OF YOUR MEMBERS' DISSATIFACTION, MANY OF THEM HAVE LEFT YOUR CHURCH ALREADY.

 
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FORTUNATE IGLESIA NI CRISTO MEMBERS OR FORTUNE ROBBED?

June 30 2006, 12:35 AM 

October 7 2003 at 2:49 PM

Twice a week on Thursdays and Sundays, Iglesia ni Cristo members troop to their chapels allegedly to worship God. Never in their wild imaginations do they know that what they are actually being subjected to is getting robbed of their monies. In the gatherings of the first Christians, never did the apostles require any offerings. Did they? The Apostle Paul specified the elements of a true gathering:

"How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification." (1 Cor.14:26 NKJV)

Take note, that there was no mention of "has an offering." Therefore, Erano Manalo is robbing his Iglesia members of their monies. Offerings are no longer required during the apostles' time even today because the Lord Jesus Christ has already offered His body once for all as provided in the Book of Hebrews:

"By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb.10:10 NKJV)

Therefore, there is no longer need for offerings. Lord Jesus Christ had already done the offering once for all.

If there were collections and contributions during the time of the Apostles, it was for the purpose of helping the poor brethren. This is attested in Romans:

"For it pleased those from Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem." (Rom.15:26 NKJV)

Erano Manalo who likes to rob his Iglesia members of their monies had been using the collections done by Macedonia and Achaia in order to enrich himself in office. Erano never uses the monies in helping the poor Iglesia members.

How does Erano Manalo gets away with his scheme? He has a well conceived plan. The plan is like a one bullet that kills 3 to 5 birds. This one bullet is the worship service. This one worship service bullet kills the following birds:

Bird #1 -- monies of members;
Bird #2 -- keeps members aloof believing they are children of God when actually they are devil's children;
Bird #3 -- have human properties for use to bring more members;
Bird #4 -- have constant supply of slaves willing to work for Erano Manalo;
Bird #5 -- have increasing supply of robots willing to die for Erano Manalo;

If one bullet or one worship kills 5 birds, think what will two bullets or two worships can do to perpetrate himself in office? But Manalo is not only using a gun with two bullets. Actually he has a shotgun. A shotgun fires many pellets. Here are the pellets: weekly committee prayer gatherings, family hour prayer gatherings, devotional prayer gatherings, officers' sectional meetings, indoctrination sessions, bible expositions, grand evangelical missions, video presentations, compulsory oath taking gatherings.

If we will examine the lives of Iglesia ni Cristo cult members, it is as if they have been thrown alive into the purgatory for the living. They are being trained by Manalo to suffer while alive because when they die they will suffer the ultimate of sufferings in hell.

Why do you think they will suffer on Judgment Day? It is because they have believed the wrong person. They had believed their Felix Y. Manalo instead of believing the real Savior Jesus Christ:

"He who believes in Him, is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18 NKJV)

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INGGIT KA LANG !! DON. KURIPOT KA LANG "DON" SA GAWAIN NG DIOS

December 15 2006, 9:35 AM 

INGGIT KA LANG !! DON. KURIPOT KA LANG "DON" SA GAWAIN NG DIOS. "DON" YOU'RE NOT QUALIFIED TO BE SAVED COME JUDGEMENT DAY WHEREEVER CHURCH YOU BELONG NOW BECAUSE YOU HATE "OFFERINGS" FOR GOD'S WORK FOR SALVATION. DO NOT JOIN OUR CHURCH, YOU'RE JUST A BURDEN TO THE CHURCH IF YOU DIDN'T CHANGE YOUR BAD ATTITUDE IN TREATING GOD'S WORDS.

 
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The reason Felix Manalo did not export his INC outside of the philippines

June 30 2006, 12:41 AM 

October 3 2003 at 11:04 PM

Between 1914 till 1962, the year he died, Felix Manalo did not attempt to propagate his INC outside of the philippines. Why? Because he had the pilipinos believe that they are the "choosen race" worthy of god's salvation. All the interpretations made by the INC during his liftime were made to ensure the belief of the pilipinos.... they were the focus of biblical prophecies as interpreted by the late Felix Manalo.

The INC's much parroted propaganda was "for the promise is unto you and to your children and to all the are afar off". Mind you, the INC was successufl in convincing the pilipinos that there is a biblical verse that pertains to them... that they, the pilipinos, were foretold in the bible to become members of the re-emerged church of christ in the far east, also known as the Iglesia ni Cristo.

Felix Manalo did not say that "afar off" refers to every nationality on this planet earth....in fact his interpretation was so convincing that guillible pilipinos lined up for baptism into the INC. So make it more convincing, Felix Manalo did not propagate or put up branches duringh is lifetime outside of the philippines... to do so would cause suspicion on his original claim about the promises made to those that are "afar off", which means the Philippines. In 1962, he died, having been contented with the amount of money rolling into his bank account. With millions of pesos constantly flowing into his account, there was no need then to export the INC. Felix Manalo didnt even bother to miss those INC members that migrated to foreign countries between 1914 and 1962.

But all this would change during Erdie's administration and he may have viewed the INC more as a business organization. Imagine his awe when he realized that amount of money that could be collected from those INC members that are living and working in foreign countries, particularly the United States and Europe. In one stroke, Erdie dismantled the concept of "afar off" to include everyone outside of the philippines. Since he is not confident that foreigners would readily believe in the claims of the INC, he decided putting up congregations that would cater only to INC members, be they in the United States or in the middle east countries.

The fact of the matter, is the expansion of the INC abroad is not about the desire to "save" mankind but to further enrich the INC, a corporation sole owned by the Manalo's. Henceforth, the cash flow of foreign currencies into the bank accunt of the INC would be stagerring indeed. The "afar off" which Felix Manalo intended to cater to pilipinos in the philippines only is now applicable to everyone, regardless of nationality. Erdie indded is a revisionist when it comes to his father's legacy.

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NOEL'S FICTITIOUS STORY TELLING ABOUT INC, YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR MIND,NOEL

December 15 2006, 12:27 PM 

IGLESIA NI CRISTO'S GROWTH IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WILL OF GOD PROPHESIED IN THE HOLY BIBLE. NOEL, YOU NEED MORE RESEARCH AND NEXT TIME BE HONEST AND FAIR BY CITING SOME OF THE INC'S TRUE DOCTRINES. DO NOT TWIST THE INC DOCTRINES JUST TO FAVOR YOUR FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

 
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The INC of 1914-1918

June 30 2006, 12:50 AM 

September 25 2003 at 11:48 AM

One should note that during this period, the only thing Felix Manalo said to himself was "I thought I was appointed by God". There is no claim of being an angel....no claim of being the other sheep and no claim of being the choosen people or choosen group. What happened?

In 1919, Felix Manalo went to the United States. The INC's account was that he went to study the bible at PSR or Pacific School of Religion? Then Felix went back to the Philippines after more than two years of stay. And what happened in his return? From 1922 till 1945, the INC begun to issue a series of doctrines alleging that Felix Manalo was the fulfillment of such and such prophecy. The callousness of pirating many biblical verses is evident when you consider the number of prophecies the INC claims pertains to Felix Manalo and the INC.

Mind you, the INC will not give an inventory of what year the INC came out with such and such prophecy. But one thing is certain, the INC of 1914 did not claim such prophecies, only after Felix Manalo returned from his trip in the United States.

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KA DORO, YOU'RE NOT A CREDIBLE WITNESS ABOUT THE INC HISTORY.

December 15 2006, 12:45 PM 

FULFILLMENT OF GOD'S PROPHESIES TO THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO SINCE JULY 27, 1914 IS ENOUGH TO US TO BELIEVE THAT BRO. FELIX MANALO IS THE LAST MESSENGER OF GOD IN THESE LAST DAYS. NO ONE CAN EVER REFUTE GOD'S PROPHESIES TO HIS CHOSEN ONES.

 
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What kind of jobs or occupation does Erdie's immediate family have?

June 30 2006, 1:05 AM 

May 8 2003 at 1:59 AM

His wife? whats her job?
His children? whats their job?

His nieces or nephews? Whats their job or occupation?

His sons in law or daughters in law? Whats their jobs?


Or does all of them get some kind of pension from the INC fund?

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"Unity of thought" in the INC - a bad joke

June 30 2006, 1:09 AM 

September 3 2003 at 3:10 PM

Why? The INC leadership uses this unity of thought only when it feels it is to its advantage like helping a politician wins an election. This happens when the INC leader selects or chooses a politician running for public offices like mayor or congressman and so on and so forth.

When it comes to knowing the financial transactions of the INC, the INC leadership does not want any 'unity of thought'. And how could there be unity of thought when only a few of the INC's top echelon know its financial dealings? On how much money the INC has collected in a given year and how much money was disbursed or released for the personal expenses of Erdie or Eddie Manalo?

Surely, there is no unity of thought when only a few in the INC knows its financial dealings. There is no unity of thought when the rest of the INC members are deprived of such knowledge - the knowledge about those money which came from the members in the first place.

Unity of thought or "disunity of thought"? Now you know what the INC is all about when it comes to the word "unity".

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observation

June 30 2006, 1:32 AM 

June 17 2003 at 8:02 PM

March 30, 2003
Another day of Iglesia Ni Cristo membership. We attended our Holy Supper today and were blessed with a special message-
SACRIFICE, OBEDIANCE to the Administration!
Lucky us, we were allowed to sit there for an hour and a half and listen to him tell us how lucky we are to be members of the “TRUE CHURCH” the Iglesia Ni Cristo.
Stressed SACRIFICE, OBEDIANCE to the Administration!
He stated that Jesus Christ was the mother of “OBEDIANCE” and said many times Jesus should not have died but he sacrificed himself for us the Iglesia Ni Cristo membership. Stressed the “importance “ of our membership in the Iglesia Ni Cristo many, many times again and again. Stressed many times the “importance” of always attending the worship service.
SACRIFICE, OBEDIANCE to the Administration!
NEVER miss the worship service! If you have an opportunity for a better job and a better life, forget it if it requires you to miss any worship services. Better stay poor and hungry but DON’T FORGET THE INC worship services. Sounds like God is unforgiving if you miss a worship service. (DOUBTFUL)
SACRIFICE, OBEDIANCE to the Administration!
He stressed the “importance” of all church functions and gatherings! Don’t let anything or anyone hinder you in attending all gatherings social, functional and official of the Iglesia Ni Cristo because you will be contending with the Church Administration who is leading you to perfect unity and your salvation.
SACRIFICE, OBEDIANCE to the Administration!
Stressed “attendance”, “attendance”, “attendance”, you gotta attend or you gonna go to hell.
Stressed the “true members” in attendance who are approved to participate should judge themselves before accepting then bread (body of Christ) and the juice of the vine (blood of Christ). WHY judge themselves? The Administration already done that by “forcing” all members wanting to take the Holy Supper to attend the services prior to Holy Supper so they can be SUBMISSIVE to the leadership or the ADMINISTRATOR. You don’t attend the weekly worship service, you don’t get the ribbon showing you been approved by the Administrator to partake the Holy Supper. You been judged by man already!
SACRIFICE, OBEDIANCE to the Administration!
Stopped counting the times the District Minister mentioned the Administration and the Administrator. Need a calculator to count all the mentions. Counted the times God and Jesus was mentioned on less than two hands.
SACRIFICE, OBEDIANCE to the Administration!
Stressed its our right and privilege to worship our God almighty because of our membership in the Iglesia Ni Cristo. We (INC) are the only people on earth authorized and allowed to worship our God, all others who go to church are wasting their time trying to worship because they are not authorized and don’t belong to the chosen people of God. He stressed that only “true” members of the Iglesia Ni Cristo are authorized to partake of the body and blood of Christ because we are the body of the church as Christ is the head.
Does that include the people who were obviously sleeping during the entire service?
INTERESTING, he spent in excess of an hour preaching about SUBMISSION to man, membership in the church and you gotta attend all gatherings.
Silly me, I thought it was Holy Supper in remembrance of Christ, in stead it turned out to be official recognition of the INC Administrator.
Our Deacon gave us our monthly message from the Administration and guess what was on it, YOU’RE right, SUBMIT SOME MORE. Here’s a copy for all to see.

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MESSAGES TO BE DELIVERED BY THE HEADS OF HOUSEHOLD DURING _______________THE FAMILY HOUR____________________
LET US CONTINUE TO UNITE WITH AND OBEY THE CHURCH
ADMINISTRATION

March 31 -April 6,2003
RESPECT AND LOVE THOSE WHOM GOD PLACED TO LEAD US
Because of God's great love for us. He placed an Administration in the Church that instructs us and leads us toward the perfection of our faith. The Bible teaches us to pay the proper respect to those who guide us spiritually. We should recognize that God gave them their authority to lead. We should "treat them with the greatest respect and love because of the work they do" (IThess.5:12-13TEV).


April 7-13,2003
WHAT GIVES NEW LIFE TO THE CHURCH ADMINISTRATION
Apostle Paul wrote the following to the Church in Thessalonica, which was under his administration, "So we have been greatly comforted, dear brothers and sisters, in all of our own crushing troubles and suffering, because you have remained strong in your faith. It gives us new life, knowing you remain strong in the Lord" (I Thess. 3:7-8 NLT).

This is how the Church Administrator feels when he hears about the activeness of brethren in different locales. He feels joy when he sees that we continue to trust our Almighty God unwaveringly, despite the troublesome condition of the world. Therefore, let us strive to do the things that will comfort the Administration. By doing this, we are able to assist them by lightening their burden and, above all, we are able to glorify our Father in heaven.

April 14-20,2003
WE SHOULD APPRECIATE THE LABORS OF THE ADMINISTRATION AS THEY STRIVE TO GUIDE GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE TOWARD SALVATION
The Administration God placed within His nation in these last days continues to labor toward the goal that all be made worthy of salvation (Is. 62:1 NKJV). They strive to teach us in all wisdom, that we may be presented perfect to our Lord Jesus Christ (Col. 1:28-29 NKJV).
May we all learn to value their labors for our well-being. Let us strive for a blameless way of life in the midst of this crooked and evil world. Let us submit ourselves to the Church Administration so that they could work gladly and so that their labors would not be in vain (Philip. 2:15-16 NKJV; Heb. 13:17 TEV).


April 21-27,2003
WE NEED TO REMAIN FAITHFUL AND UNITED WITH THE CHURCH ADMINISTRATION TO REMAIN UNITED WITH GOD
One of the qualities that we should all develop is faithfulness. According to the Bible, God will never abandon those who serve Him faithfully (I Sam. 12:22,24 TEV). Since those who have fellowship with the Administration have fellowship with God (I John 1:3 NKJV), we should always submit to the Administration. We should never imitate those who were punished and who lost their hope of receiving salvation because they rebelled against the leaders God placed within His nation. Instead, let us follow the examples set by God's faithful servants, who humbly submit themselves to the Administration placed by God. Let us thank God that on April 23,2003 Brother Erano G. Manalo will reach the 40th year of his blessed administration of the Church of Christ. Praise be to God!

 
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FAITHFUL IGLESIA MEMBERS THAT MANALO FORGOT

June 30 2006, 1:37 AM 

June 19 2002 at 1:57 PM

They are faithful Iglesia ni Cristo members. Manalo can not complain about their devotions, their sacrifices, their zealousness, and their unceassing love and selfless service to the Iglesia ni Cristo. They fought for the Iglesia. Some are ministers. Some deacons. Some deaconesses. Some choir members. Some officers of records and finance, who worked to their bones in the dead of the night doing paper works of reports needed by Manalo. Many are just plain Iglesia ni Cristo members. They have all defended the Iglesia ni Cristo from all its false teachings and from all its man-made doctrines.

They followed all what were required of them. Obeying all the commandments and disciplines inside the Iglesia ni Cristo. They have not missed any worship service on Thursdays and Sundays. Neither were they absent in all the rites of seven days devotional prayers every time Manalo calls for them. Or, in the weekly committee prayer gatherings, or the enforced family prayers that was recently enacted by Manalo. And if they ever missed the compulsory gatherings, it was due to the lameness of their Manalo abused minds and bodies.

They have deposited weekly thanksgiving monies from January through December. They have conformed to the abounding yearly thanksgiving increases doctrine. They have contributed to the locale fund and the EGM fund weekly. They have dropped their money laden envelopes for the district fund. They have willingly expended from their pockets for foods and snacks for the weekly bible expositions and other administration commanded gatherings. They have paid their Pasugo and God's Message magazine subscriptions, magazines that Manalo agents represent to the Customs Bureau as not for sale.

They have shared their Iglesia ni Cristo faith to their relatives and friends. They have renewed their lives as ordered by Manalo. They were made to swear annually not to exchange their INC membership with anything else in this world, and they did. They have borne their required fruits. Through their untiring efforts they were instrumental in the conversion of many to become Iglesia ni Cristo members.

Unfortunately, their demise and deaths, sudden or natural, brought unforetold Manalo treachery! The treachery of delistments of their names from all Iglesia book of records. The command of Manalo to strike out all who can no longer attend the compulsory worship service. To strike out all brethren who can no longer give monies because they are dead.

All their names were stricken out from all registries of the Iglesia ni Cristo. From all quarterly reports and from all census reports to Manalo. So ordered. So it shall be done. Faithfulness does pay. They pay to suffer the second death. For if your name is loosed on earth, it shall be loosed in heaven. While you are alive, it is required you must be listed because what is listed on earth is listed in heaven. But when you are dead, without your knowledge you are delisted. If you are dead, even though you are just sleeping in your grave, you are no longer an Iglesia brother or an Iglesia sister. You are forgotten. You are not to be remembered any more.

Except me. You, all Iglesia members must remember me annualy every July. Remember to not forget your anniversary thanksgiving money when you remember me. I hate you dead people, my one time brethren. Manalo has the last laugh.. "Ha ha ha..hah hah hah har HAR HARR HARR!" "My Master Lucifer, here are the Iglesia ni Cristo members who are the fruits of our deceptions. We have ferreted them from God and from His Son Jesus Christ through our lies... They will be with us from now on to eternity. Into the depths of hell..Into the lake of fire with brimstone. We are successful in devouring their bodies and souls, is it not Master Lucifer?" "Right you are, Felix Y. Manalo! Right you are, my servant fallen angel! "Ha ha..hah hah hah HAH HAH HAH HAR HAR HARR HARRR!"

Have you asked Manalo lately, if your dead Iglesia ni Cristo relatives are still delisted? Watch out! YOU WILL BE THE NEXT!

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isa kang alang muwang sa mundo

July 7 2006, 12:28 PM 

kong makikita u ang mga nag gagandahan at naglalakihan na kapilya ng I.N.C. jan ginagamit o pinaggugulan ng salapi galing sa abuloy ng mga kaanib. at kong gusto u pa malaman kong saan nakapangalan ang lahat ng assets ng I.N.C. hindi kay Ka. Manalo.

 
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Hoy, nasa pangalan mo ba ang kapilya ng lider mo?

July 7 2006, 10:28 PM 


Kung ipagbili ang mga iyan sa dahilang nawalan ng sasamba, meron ka bang parte sa mapagbilhan?

Pag namatay ka, ay mapapalis din ang iyong pangalan sa libro ng Iglesia mo. Hindi mo ba alam ito? Sige, magtanong ka sa lokal mo kung may nakatala pang miembro na sinawing palad na nalagutan ng hininga.

Magisip isip ka sa iyong pagiging Iglesia ni Manalo. Hulyo na naman at bayaran na naman ng iyong utang pasalamat kay Manalo. Hindi ba sumpa ng Dios sa iyo iyan na bayad ng bayad ka ng utang pasalamat ng walang katapusan?



 
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kawawa kayo INC

July 12 2006, 2:19 PM 

kaawa-awa tlga mga miyembro ng INC... how can't they see that they are just being fooled by the manalos and some high ranking ministers of that cult.. i've heard they collect 10% of every member's income.. but those INC's i know deny this accusation on their cult. NICE JOB DONE MANALO! u were successful on brainwashing your members! see u in hell!

 
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KATOLIKO, PROTESTANTE, PATI ADD LANG ANG MAHILIG MAGBENTA NG ARI-ARIAN. HINDI ANG INC

December 25 2006, 2:01 PM 

"DON" BOBO KA, "BAT CAVE" ISA KA PANG TANGA

KATOLIKO, PROTESTANTE, PATI ADD LANG ANG MAHILIG MAGBENTA NG ARI-ARIAN. HINDI ANG INC.

KATOLIKO, MGA PROTESTANTE, AT ADD ANG KAWAWA. MARAMI NG IBINENTANG PROPERTY ANG MGA PARI, PASTOR NG PROTESTANTE, LALO NA ANG ADD, PERO WALA KAYONG NAGING PAKINABANG.

ANG INC HINDI MAHILIG MAGBENTA NG ARI-ARIAN. PATULOY PA NGA ANG PAGBILI NAMIN NG MGA PROPERTY PARA MAGAMIT SA PAGLILINGKOD SA DIOS, HANGGANG PAGHUHUKOM NA IYAN, GANYAN KAYAMAN ANG IGLESIA. INGGIT LANG KAYONG MGA TISOD SA ABULOY. KAYA WALA KAYONG PAGSULONG SA BUHAY, WALA KAYONG UTANG NA LOOB SA LUMIKHA SA INYO.

HINDI TOTOONG MAY 10% COMPULSORY OFFERING SA INC. BAKA SA INYO MERON. BATAY SA PASIYA NG AMING PUSO ANG ABULOY SA INC.


    
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Brilliant post!

June 30 2006, 1:41 AM 

Linked to at my new forum:

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Shallow Manalo

June 30 2006, 1:42 AM 

July 7 2003 at 6:09 PM

Poor Manalo mentioned how persecuted he and his members are by some web-site postings. He says the detractors are all liars or are of the devil.Is it not true Manalo that it is your incessant pathological lying they are commenting on? Or your ignorant lust with your private interpretations of God and the universe that actually hold people from truth? Are you not the shallow and thoughtless man who through relentless demands from your ego lost the responsiveness to the woes of those outside your church who don't give you alms? Is this not persecution?

When you deny others in thought and prayer are you not persecuting or bearing false witness? Let's go to the dictionary and see what persecution means. Persecution is the act or practice of persecuting on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation etc. that differ from those of the persecutor. It would seem by your narrow or should we say shallow view of persecution, it only pertains to you and your inflated sense of self importance.It would also seem that your idea of the brotherhood of man is really only the brotherhood of Manalo. Isn't it true Manalo that the limitations and divisions you place on others a lie? What about John 8:44 When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. See also 2Thess 2:11

To put it another way Manalo: When the oneness and totality of things is not recognized, then ignorance as well as particularization arises, and all phases of the defiled mind are thus developed...All phenomena in the world are nothing but the illusory manifestation of the mind and have no reality on their own.See Matt 12:28, 13:19, Heb 10:2, Rom 8:19-24, 2 Cor 12:2,John 10:34-35. There are many other quotes if people would read for themselves.


If Manalo encouraged members to read the Bible they would discover he lies and pathologically so.They would see that it is he that does most of the persecuting.They would see a beautiful side of the Bible that would invalidate his claim as sole interpreter, it would be like the printing press was re-discovered! READ FOR YOURSELF if you have any guts!

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john 3:16-21

June 30 2006, 2:55 AM 

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posted on February 23 2006 at 11:15 PM
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."


It seems that if God was truly SAVING and not CONDEMNING the world, he wouldn't anoint a mostly unheard of man-made church (iglesia ni cristo) to do his bidding. the iglesia ni cristo is stuck on human terms. the church is spiritual, not made of of wood or built with stones. God's Kingdom is spiritual. however, if God is condemning the world then his church surely is the iglesia ni cristo who rarely ever has public events, does not missionize door to door, does not freely distribute its literature and does not even have a website. how will anyone ever come into the church? by marrying a member and then being forced to become a member. i've met plenty of filipinos who have never even heard of the iglesia ni cristo. it is practically a secret society. Christ is not secret. and contrary to what INC ministers may say about the "secret truth only revealed to God's ministers" the secret was a secret in the Old Testament. It is clear that in the new testament the secret is OUT! and that secret is that you are saved by faith alone in our savior Jesus Christ.

 
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The Iglesia ni Cristo is now very nervous

June 30 2006, 3:09 PM 


The worship lessons he now pens pertain to strengthening their Iglesia false faith -- e.g. love of brotherhood & family responsibilities. But guess what? He also injects church responsibilities of increasing INC membership through 24 hour propagational works in order to merit their salvation. What a devilish con game!

 
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PLANS FOR EFFECTIVE MEANS TO PROPAGATE THE GOSPEL

June 30 2006, 3:40 PM 

June 15 2006 at 4:50 PM
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PLANS FOR EFFECTIVE MEANS TO PROPAGATE THE GOSPEL

I. OBJECTIVES:

  1. To guide the brethren in a systematic and effective means to propagate the gospel.
  2. To activate the brethren to cooperate and fully participate in finding and leading more souls to return to God in this "Last Work of Salvation".
  3. To mobilize the brethren to be dedicated and be united with the Church Administration in the intensive propagation of the Words of God.

II. THE IMPLEMENTING ARM:

The implementing arm comprises the LOS (Light of Salvation) Officers and the brethren of all areas who are strong in the faith, loyal, diligent in the Missionary works, and willing to cooperate in accomplishing the untakings assigned by the Church Administration. They will implement the "Plan for Effective Means to Propagate the Gospel" to insure that:
  1. Propagational activities are in full force in their area.
  2. There will be always be people being missionized in their area.
  3. Bible Studies and Bible Seminars are on going in their area.
  4. Everyone in the locale will fully realize the spiritual joy of being truly united with the Church Administration and much closer to God.

III. IMPLEMENTATION:

In order to be successful in our Missionary works, must adopt a plan for a systematic and comprehensive approach to missionize and propagate the gospel. For any plan to succeed, however, it must be committed to the Lord, and must be followed through diligently and tenaciously.
  1. Make a list of every person (non-member) you know, or as many people as you can think of: relatives, friends, neighbors, co-workers/officemates, acquaintances, even people you had met at the shopping mall, etc. Now, you have a list of names (an inventory) of people you can missionize.
  2. Concentrate on names on your list. Think of evert possible way to make them your friends, then get in touch with them as often as feasible. Do not wait until you want them to invite to our Grand Evangelical Mission to get in touch with them. Try to minimize their chance of giving you all kinds of excuses to refuse your invitation.
  3. Set a 'Goal' as to the number of people on your list you want to befriend each day, and the number you want to befriend within a week. Give them a friendly visit, a friendly telephone call, or send them a card, etc. You might want to sort out your list of names and decide which of them you want to contact each week, and which of them you want to contact every two (2) weeks. Or, perhaps, you would like to prioritize your list and concentrate more on those people who had been your guests during our previous GEM's and worship services. It's really up to you how you want to do it - but set your 'Goal' and adhere to your schedule. The main idea is to develop and maintain a friendly relationship with your list of people, so keep in touch with them. Take care of your 'inventory'; otherwise, it will become 'stale'. Add more people to your list as you meet new ones. Always bear in mind that our purpose in winning friends is to make it easier for us to persuade them to listen to the "True Teachings" and ultimately, become our brothers and sisters in Christ. Have a "devotional prayer". Pray for the people on your list, and ask God to make you as His instrument in leading these people to return to Him.
  4. Remember that God calls people to be added into the Church so as to be saved. Some people are called sooner, some later. Have patience. Whether they had accepted our invitation to attend our Bible Studies and worship services or not, or whether they had accepted our invitation but did not continue, we should continue to be nice to them.

    1. Instead of inviting them to our Bible Studies, invite them to your home for some light moments with you and your family. Seek for that opportunity to get to know the members of their family and for them to know yours. Let them be the friends of the family. Majority of the people do not like to feel that they are rushed or pushed. Deal wisely with them. Little by little familiarize them with the basic teachings of the Church. Give them copies of "God's Message Magazine". Be helpful with them, and slowly open the way for them to undergo Bible Studies.
    2. In every opportunity, introduce them to as many brethren as you possibly can, especially, the Minister. Help them to become acquainted with the brethren and feel comfortable in our gatherings. If possible, without sounding as though you are prying into their personal affairs, find out as much as you can about them: profession or type of work; place of origin; etc. All these can help us to deal with them more intelligently and further win their friendship.
    3. Birthdays - If you know the dates of their birthdays, if possible, have a small get-together in their honor. It does not have to be done in a lavish and elaborate way. Little things can mean so much, especially, if they come from the heart. Plan in advance and invite a few of the brethren and don't forget the Minister. Better still; if you can do it, compose a short birthday song for the celebrant and let the brethren sing it to him or her.
      Note: It is important that they are introduced to and become acquainted with the Minister for these reasons: It will help them to feel comfortable enough to want to start having Bible studies; and it will help them to feel at ease during the Bible Studies and readily understand the Holy Scripture.
    4. Wedding Anniversary - If you know their wedding anniversary, remember them on that day.
    5. Church gatherings - Invite them to our gatherings, such as picnic, Mother's Day, Father's Day, etc. This will give them the opportunity to mingle with the brethren and become more acquainted with us. Moreover, it will help them to form the habit of wanting to accept our invitations.
    6. Set up Bible studies in your home. Usually, your friends are more willing to come to your home for Bible studies rather than to come to other places.
      Caution: Never trick a person to come to your home for a party, when actually, it is a Bible study.
    7. As they become interested and willing to continue their Bible studies, make arrangement for them to have their Bible studies in the chapel. This will help them to become accustomed of coming to the house of worship, and start attending worship services.
    8. Strive to set up Bible studies sponsored by your Area. Develop a good teamwork with all the Missionary Group of Seven and the brethren in your Area, so you can all help each other.

Finally, when people are baptized into the Church, invite all of the brethren to attend the Holy Baptism and really praise God, along with a host of Angels who sing praises unto God even just one soul is added into the Church and be saved. You can really thank God, because He granted your prayers. He had upheld you through all your labors and make you His instrument in leading people to return to Him. All your good deeds are recorded in the "Book of Works" in heaven, and you can truly feel so close to God.

Love the brotherhood - As people are baptized into the Church, the more we should strive to maintain a good, friendly relationship with them, and the more we should love them, because they are our brothers and sisters in Christ, being in one body, the body of our Lord Jesus Christ.


 
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INCs are like frogs in a well who say the shape of the sky is round

June 30 2006, 10:30 PM 

June 24 2003 at 11:30 AM
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This is not an issue of whether one understands the topic or not. I can assure you that I understand the topic. This is an issue of whether to believe by faith in what is being revealed by the whole bible or to believe only in the verses that can be understood through human reasoning. I believe that one should believe in the whole bible. If you believe only in selected verses that’s worse than not believing at all in the whole bible. When your ministers feed you with selected verses that will promote a bogus “iglesia ni Cristo” and omit verses that will disprove its doctrines that’s the worse deception that can befall you because your salvation is at stake.

Don’t you know that you have believed in faith also when you believed everything that your ministers have preached to you. But is the worse kind of faith. You have been deceived because you did not do your own research? Even Paul was not believed by the Bereans unless they examined the Scriptures as in Acts 17:11:
“Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.”

Suppose you were a frog inside a well looking at the sky and were asked what is the shape of heaven what would you answer? Definitely you would answer, round or whatever the shape of the mouth of the well is. That is exactly what you are like now, a frog in a well because your ministers have kept you there. But when you get out of the well and looked at the sky and asked what is the shape of heaven, would you have an answer for that? Not having an answer does not mean you are ignorant. An ignorant is called such if he does not know what others know out of complete information and wider perspective. I’m saying this to prove to you that how we view things is a matter of each one’s understanding of them, depending on where he is and the information that at hand. When you are asked, where are the heavens? The ready answer is, above. Ask the same question to someone in the western part of the world and he will answer the same question but both of you will be pointing to opposite directions. But try to view whole world as seen by an astronaut and you will say that the heavens are around the world.
I can tell you now that true Christians have believe and have faith in their hearts that Jesus is God because the whole essence of the bible tells so.

 
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YOU MUST READ THIS POST...finally revealed

June 30 2006, 11:13 PM 

October 4 2002 at 12:39 AM
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Caloocan City’s former mayor, Macario Asistio, for instance, is a long-time INC ally. When Asistio, Estrada’s buddy, lost to Rey Malonzo, the favored candidate of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, many INC members also lost their jobs at the Caloocan City Hall.

The INC exercises its clout outside the realm of politics as well. In 1998, a big commercial bank sued the church in a dispute over property that had been offered for sale to both the bank and the INC.

The bank had acquired the land earlier, but a relative of INC Executive Minister Erano “Erdie” Manalo brokered its sale to the church, unaware of the earlier transaction.

“The church felt insulted it was being sued in court,” an influential INC member said. “You don’t go to court or go public at once. Usually, you call up the Iglesia first.”

Stung by the lawsuit, church leaders ordered all their members employed by the bank to resign and called on all the faithful to pull their money out of the bank. The bank lost P1 billion. In time, the case was settled amicably, with the bank properly advised never to cross the INC in public or in court again.

Senator Panfilo Lacson, a non-Iglesia, knows this lesson well. Some years ago, as a senior police officer, Lacson faced a dilemma over what to do with controversial police Col. Romeo Maganto, a kapatid. “Lacson had to go to the central (INC headquarters in Quezon City) to secure permission to fire Maganto,” the member recalled. “The permission was given.”

Over the years, the INC’s business interests have grown. A search at the Securities and Exchange Commission showed that INC leaders are incorporators and board directors in companies engaged in education (New Era University Inc.; Global Foundation for the New Era); medical care (New Era General Hospital; Felix Manalo Puericulture and Maternity Clinic), mass media (Scan Society of Communicators; Association of Christians in IT); manufacturing (Hi Mill Corporation); construction (Ramdustrial Corp.); and legal service (Christian Lawyers Association Foundation).

Former Justice Secretary Serafin Cuevas, one of Estrada’s defense lawyer and a senior INC member, is a trustee of the New Era University and officer of Amalgamated Management and Development Corp., which has secured the contracts for production of driver’s licenses, identification cards, and motor vehicle plates from the Marcos to the Estrada regimes.

It is not uncommon for the INC to attempt to secure the best deals for its projects. The church’s housing projects in Montalban, Rizal and in Dasmariñas, Cavite are instructive cases.

In both projects, the INC began construction even if it had not secured all the necessary development permits and environmental compliance certificates (ECC).

In Montalban, the church has a development permit and zoning/locational clearance only for Phase 1 of the five-phase project, and building permits for only two-thirds of housing units it wants to construct. These permits were given the by Sangguniang Bayan despite the INC’s failure to produce a prior requirement — the ECC.

Oscar Ferrer, senior environmental management specialist of the Provincial Environment and Natural Resources Office of Rizal, worries about what could be an “environmentally critical project.”

“The site is only moderately sloping. What makes it critical, as reported by residents in the area, is that the area has an earthquake fault line that might be connected to the Marikina fault,” Ferrer said.

In Dasmariñas, municipal Engineer Gregorio Bermejo certifies that the INC project has little documentation except for an approved site development plan. The Department of Environment and Natural Resources’ Region 4 office says it has no record of any ECC application for any housing project in Cavite under the INC’s name.

The INC is trying to wangle tax-exemption deals as well. In 2000, the Montalban municipal assessor declared the 29 hectares of church lands used for housing to be taxable, and three hectares for the chapel, exempted from taxes. The assessor estimated that the INC would have to pay some P5 million in taxes.

The church, however, refused, arguing that the INC project was not meant for profit and should therefore be tax-exempt. The INC leaders also wrote personal letters to Rizal Gov. Rebecca Ynares, who endorsed the matter to Montalban Mayor Pedro Cuerpo.

Former Rizal Provincial Assessor Oscar Baraquero denied the request, saying “the housing project which you claimed for charitable and philanthropic effort does not squarely fall under the provisions of the law, as these are intended solely for the members of INC… the term charitable is an act of humanity without distinction or limitations as to religious belief, creed or social affiliation.”

The tax debate has been raised to the Department of Finance for decision.

Meanwhile, Montalban officials are in a quandary. The INC has dangled before them the fact that they have many voters in the municipality. “‘Yung pwersa ng boto nila ang panlaban nila,” said one local official. “Maraming takot diyan sa Iglesia. (They use their votes as bait and many are afraid of them.)”

INC members have also barred DENR inspectors from entering the other phases of the Montalban project. One inspector said he feared asserting himself because INC members are armed.

(The PCIJ exerted every effort to speak with INC spokesman Lowell Menorca, who is the only person authorized to speak for the church. Menorca did not want to be interviewed, saying he is on a provincial tour.)

 
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INSECURED COWARD & CO. - makes sense to me. har har har!

June 30 2006, 11:19 PM 

July 29 2002 at 11:58 PM
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I NOTICED THAT THIS FORUM IS FULL OF HEARSAY ABOUT THE INC. IF ANYONE WANTS THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT THIS PEOPLE HERE ARE TELLING GO TO OUR MINISTER IN PERSON AND PRINT ALL THAT U READ HERE... AND THEY ARE REALLY HAPPY TO ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS (EVEN GRIEVANCES IF U HAVE) STRAIGHT FROM THE BIBLE.

I WAS LIKE YOU BEFORE... BUT I SEE THE TRUTH NOW! AND FORGET ALL THE HEARSAYS I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE INC. YOU SHOULD NOTICE THAT PEOPLE HERE FULL OF HATRED AND GRIEVANCES ABOUT THE INC BUT WILL NOT GO IN THE OPEN CAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID TO FACE THE TRUTH... SO THEY LIVE WITH THEIR HEARSAYS!

I BELIEVE THOSE ANTI-INC PEOPLE HERE ARE EXPELLED IF NOT BECAUSE THEY LIVE IMMORALLY... OR IT IS BECAUSE THEY THE TRUTH ARE TOO ITCHY FOR THEM TO ACCEPT.

JUST LIKE LUCIFER... THEY ARE HIDING LIKE THEIR FATHER! HIHIHI!

ANYWAY ENJOY THE FORUM IF U WANT TO GIVE A LAUGH AT THEM!

 
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INC lies without compunction for political power

June 30 2006, 11:24 PM 

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The leaders of INC cheated on the real number of its members to attract political candidates.
These are the numbers they published in Pasugo and other newspapers: 1949, 4million, August, 1954 issue; 1950, 2M, Dec., 1955 issue; 1951, 2M, July, 1951 issue; 1955, 1M, July, 1964 issue; 1961, 4M, Manila Times, Oct. 13, 1961;1963, 3.5M, Sunday Times Mag., April 28, 1964; 1965, 4M, Phil. Herald, Nov. 1, 1965; 1966, 5M, Pasugo, July 1966.
But in 1970, the Philippine’s own sensus reported that the INC numbered only 475,506. However, the INC maintained a record of the true number of its members for fear it might deceive and confuse itself. But they listed the numbers as serial numbers. This are the numbers in 1979: Abra, 1563; Benguet, 4131; Cagayan, 5907; Ilocos Norte, 6693; Ilocos Sur, 4997; Isabela I, 10432; Isabela II, 6104; La Union, 4917; Nueva Vizcaya, 7714; Pangasinan Central, 12046; Pangasinan Eastern, 12614; Pangasinan Western, 3075; Bataan, 7587, Bulacan, 12284; Nueva Ecija I, 19495; Nueva Ecija II, 8166; Pampanga, 24986; Tarlac, 21865; Zambales, 11603; Manila, 85430; Aurora, 1876; Batangas, 7926, Cavite, 13258; Laguna, 15642’ Marinduque, 1775, Mindoro Occ, 5854; Mindoro Or, 6441; Polilio, 1406; Quezon I, 8174; Quezon II, 5552; Rizal, 23747; Albay,3563; Camarines Norte, 3872; Camarines Sur, 6291; Catanduanes, 778; Masbate, 2760; Sorsogon, 3013; Aklan, 1425; Antique, 977; Bohol, 2093; Capiz, 2982; Cebu, 7329; Iloilo, 4564; Leyte, 5220; Negros Occ, 11587; Negros Or, 3646; Palawan, 3874; Romblon, 1887; Samar I, 1971; Samar II, 1540; Agusan, 7354; Bukidnon, 4101; Cotabato Norte, 3301; Cotabato Sur, 7201; Davao I, 11543; Davao II, 7369; Lanao, 3018; Maguindanao, 3023; Misamis Occ, 3405; Misamis Or, 4519; Surigao Norte, 3128; Surigao Sur, 5413; Zamboanga-Ipil, 5240; Pagadian, 4975; Sultan Kudarat, 20884. Grand Total, 508,350

Can a religious organization founded on lies be a “true church”? Who is the father of lies? The bible says it is Satan: John 8:44 “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies”.

 
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Why are we INC members ill mannered…?

June 30 2006, 11:39 PM 

April 1 2001 at 7:31 AM
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Rude, unjust, irresponsible, immature and ill mannered, these are the real characters of most of us INC members. In addition, we are conceited. We say that those outside of the church are evil, sinful and the like. We brag a lot about our being INC members, as if membership means righteousness. We're good, they're bad. Have we examined ourselves lately?

Last Wednesday morning, March 28, 2001, I was having a lively conversation with our locale minister. I was being offered to head the KADIWA but our conversation later included a variety of subjects. I asked him "Isn't it frustrating that despite of our "kapatiran" or love between brethren doctrine, we really don't experience it?"

I have served as officer of the church for almost more than 20 years now. My being active has brought me to locales after locales, to church districts and to the central office -- from all over Metro Manila to some far provinces in the Philippines, including Visayas. I have been an officer since childhood at the Pagsamba ng Kabataan (PNK, Children's Worship Service), the choir, then Binhi and KADIWA. I have reached a high level of faith in the INC. But I noticed that despite of our constant bragging of our "kapatiran", it really is non-existent.

There are widespread acts of injustice in the church and us officers are not only ignoring it but we ourselves are often the perpetrators. We always leave it to God to exact justice. Are we irresponsible or simply lazy? Is this what our complacency has taught us? Complacent that our salvation is near and that we don't care about anything else. We don't care about our surroundings, our fellow human beings, our society.

Speaking of society…how is our united vote lately? For the last decade, we have been throwing our support on the most notorious candidates in the Philippines. We voted for Marcos and Enrile despite of the fact that they were responsible for some of our brethrens' deaths during Martial Law. What qualifications do we really look for our candidates? Equal treatment on all religions? We voted for Estrada. On his inauguration, Mike Velarde of El Shaddai lead the prayer and followed only by other religions including ours (through Bro. Adriel Meimban). Estrada's Presidential anti-Organized Crime Task Force (PAOCTF) shot and chased 2 of our brothers after the worship service at the Central Temple. The PAOCTF operatives lost their real suspects and picked on our brethrens' instead.

I wish the church administration would share us information on how they came about on their decision on our candidates so we can defend our vote. Are we intentionally voting candidates like Estrada so the prophecy on widespread poverty will come true?

I have written these to stimulate conversations on a variety of subjects on the church. My intention is to solicit everyone's views on these subjects. I do not mean to offend anyone, but like you I am here in this church because of the truth. Now it's time to liberate ourselves.

There is one more character about us INC members that is worth noting….We are very sensitive to criticism, despite of the fact that we strongly criticize other religions. Maybe it's time to shut up and clean our ranks and try to act as the Christians we profess we are.

I am expecting your reactions on the things that I have said here. I have created http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/iglesianicristo1914. Everyone of you here are welcome to join.

 
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Two (2) blessed years of a good life outside of the INC. Praise God!

June 30 2006, 11:41 PM 

March 25 2003 at 9:35 PM
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Dear Friends,

On March 28, 2003, I will commemorate the goodnees of God for his saving grace. Two years ago, on March 28, 2001, God brought me out of the Iglesia Ni Cristo and took me into his arms.

"and then there was light."

It was the highest point of my enlightenment. God revealed himself to me and his promise dwelt upon me everyday in my life for two years now.

"Do not be afraid."

Yes there was so much to be afraid of. A severed relationship with my INC family and friends and an uncertain future of unemployment and isolation.

"Do not be afraid."

I entrusted everything to God. I packed a few essential things and left. Everything I own I carried with me. I was broke and I was homeless.

"Do not be afraid."

A friend told me that this message appears in bible 365 times. It seems to tell us each day of the year, "Do not be afraid."

And in the hands of God, miracles happened. Job offers multiplied, families took me in as one of their own and my circle of friends increased.

In June 3, 2001, my calling into the true Christian church, the Catholic Church came upon me. By September 8, 2001 I was already a Catholic.

Today, two years later. I am more stable than my INC family. I am blessed with a permanent high-paying job and living in a better furnished house.

Below is the link to the very first message I posted. It contains the account of my conversation with our INC minister on the day I declared that I am leaving the INC.

Why are we INC members ill-mannered?
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HAVE YOU ASKED THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO WHY?

June 30 2006, 11:47 PM 

December 21 2002 at 11:43 AM
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The Iglesia ni Cristo has a running series in their God's Message magazine with a title "Have You Asked Why?" questioning the Catholic and Protestant beliefs. Sad to say, the Iglesia wants to asked questions but does not want to answer some questions about their church.

Let's start to enumerate the pending questions not yet answered by the Iglesia ni Cristo:

Question #1:

How come Felix Y. Manalo reintroduced the forced worship of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon in 586 B.C.?

The following is the forced worship of King Nebuchadnezzar and the tailor made adaptation by FYM in 1914:

The Forced Worship of King Nebuchadnezzar (Dan.3:1-7):

Idol builder........King Nebuchadnezzar;
Idol built..........Golden Statue;
Time to worship the idol.....Every time the horn sounds followed by flute, harp, lyre,and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music;
People required to worship.....All officials and people in the Babylonian empire;
Punishment for disobedience....Will be thrown into the burning fiery furnace;
Year imposed......586 B.C. to 539 B.C.

The Forced Worship of Felix Y. Manalo:

Idol builder.........Felix Y. Manalo;
Idol built...........Iglesia ni Cristo
Time when to worship the idol....Every time Thursdays and Sundays arrive;
People required to worship....All officers and members of the Iglesia ni Cristo;
Punishment for disobedience... Will be thrown into the lake of fire;
Year imposed.......1914 A.C. to present

Question #2:

Why does Felix Y. Manalo lied to members there are only two parts of a body of a man (head and body only)when according to the Bible the body of a man is composed of many parts?

VERSE ANTAGONIZED BY MANALO:

"For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body," is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body," is it therefore not of the body?" If the body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling?" 1 Cor.12:12-17 NKJV.

Question #3:

Why does Felix Y. Manalo teach that the body of Christ is the Iglesia ni Cristo when according to the Bible, the body of Christ are the people members?

VERSE BLASPHEMED BY MANALO:

"Now you are the body of Christ and members individually." 1 Cor.12:27 NKJV

Question #4:

Why does Felix Y. Manalo teach that all members have the same function of inviting visitors to the INC Bible Exposition when according to the Bible all members do not have the same function?

VERSE RIDICULED BY MANALO:

"For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another." -Rom.12:4 NKJV

Question #5:

Why does Felix Y. Manalo resort to changing what is written in the Holy Scriptures changing the word "church" into "Church of Christ" and changing "churches of Christ" into "Church of Christ"?

VERSES AMENDED BY MANALO:

"Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood." -Acts 20:28 Lamsa

"Greet one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you." -Rom.16:16

Question #6:

Why does Felix Y. Manalo teach that one of the works to be done in order to be saved is to be baptized in the Iglesia ni Cristo, but, how come FYM was not even baptized inside the Iglesia ni Cristo?

VERSE TRAUMATIZED BY MANALO:

"He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."
-Mk.16:16 NKJV

Question #7:

Why does Felix Y. Manalo does not want to stop the the giving of thanksgiving offerings which practice was stopped by Moses during his time?

VERSE HIDDEN BY MANALO:

"So Moses gave a commandment, and they caused it to be proclaimed throughout the camp, saying, "Let neither man nor woman do any more work for the offering of the sanctuary." And the people were restrained from bringing, for the material they had was sufficient for all the work for the offering of the sanctuary." And the people were restrained from bringing,for the material they had was sufficient for all the work to be done--indeed too much."
-Exo.36:6-7 NKJV

 
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HAVE YOU ASKED THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO WHY? (QUESTIONS 46-52)

June 30 2006, 11:53 PM 

February 20 2003 at 3:23 PM
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So far, not one of these members of the cult Iglesia ni Cristo has answered my questions. When will any one, ministers or members, answer those pending questions? Bad news to the cult, more questions are coming...

Question #46

Why have you replaced Jesus Christ as the messenger of God in these last days? If you deny this, why have you installed your Felix Y. Manalo as the messenger of God in these last days? You claim you are of Christ by mouth but how come you deny Him by your deed? Your actions proves you are the anti-christs. Try to belie the following Bible verse that points to Christ as the last days messenger of God:

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds," -Hebrews 1:1 NKJV

The verse is explicitly teaching Jesus Christ is the messenger of God in these last days. Go on, pervert this verse as you always do. Try also to pervert Apostle Peter's teaching that Jesus Christ is the messenger of God in these last days:

"Christ was chosen even before the world was created, but because of you, he did not come until these last days." -1 Peter 1:20 CEV

Question #47:

Why do you deceitfully use Luke 10:16 in teaching that a rejection of Felix Y. Manalo and his ministers is a rejection of God? Luke 10:16 pertains to appointment by Christ of His seventy disciples (Lk.10:1). Therefore, these were messengers of Christ. A rejection of the messengers of Christ is a rejection of God. Were you sent by Christ? Are you messengers of Christ? If you are messengers of Christ, why do you believe Felix Y. Manalo instead of Jesus Christ as the last days messenger of God? You guys have the wrong gospel! You are deceivers!

Question #48

Why do you deceitfully use Romans 10:14-15? Those sent referred to by the verse were messengers preaching the gospel of peace. The gospel of peace is preaching Jesus Christ because He is our peace (Eph.2:14). How about you? Do you preach Jesus Christ? You are liars! You are actually preaching the Church of Christ or Iglesia ni Cristo instead of Jesus Christ. Your cult is not of peace but of war against the Catholic Church and war against the Protestant Churches. Even in your worship services you always teach hatred against these Christian churches. To tell you the truth, your church is not of peace but of member scaring, church duties, non stop money deposits, non stop preaching of the Manalo gospel, which is, another gospel described by the Bible as perversions of the gospel of Christ (Gal.1:6-9).

Question #49

Why do you deceitfully use 2 Corinthians 5:18-19? The pronoun "us" who are called ambassadors are messengers of Christ who teach doing of works in the body (2 Cor.5:10 NKJV). These works according to Apostle James are good conducts such as purity, peaceableness, gentleness, willingness to yield, mercifulness, and fruits of righteousness (Js.3:13,17-18). What about you? Despite the fact that you are not messengers of Christ, the works that you teach are in contravention to the works taught by Apostle James and Apostle Paul. Instead of works in the body, you teach distasteful works outside the body, which are works that benefit only the Iglesia ni Cristo cult. Instead of good conduct works, you teach Iglesia conduct. These Iglesia code of conduct and Iglesia right manners pertain to working throughout your life in service to the Iglesia ni Cristo cult.

Question #50

Why do you deceitfully use Acts 8:27-30 in teaching that people need Iglesia ministers to understand the Bible? What Philip actually did in the citation is that he preached Jesus Christ to the eunuch (Acts 8:35). Philip was a messenger of Christ (Acts 1:8). What about you? Despite that you are not messengers of Christ, what you preach is not Jesus Christ but Church of Christ or Iglesia ni Cristo. What you preach is the gospel of Manalo, which is, an aberration of the gospel of Christ. The eunuch was baptized immediately after Jesus Christ was preached to him by Philip and after believing Christ (Acts 8:35-38). In contrast, your cult requires waiting period of weeks and months of indoctrinations and trial periods and requiring believing Felix Y. Manalo before the indoctrinee is baptized.

Question #51

Why do you deceitfully use Matthew 13:53-57 in teaching that even though Felix Y. Manalo (FYM) is not a high school graduate he was approved by God's standard? The verses pertain to rejection of Christ by the unbelieving Jews. You should be ashamed of yourselves to compare your FYM with Christ. When FYM has raped a vulnerable member, Rosita Trillanes, in his office, is this meeting God's standard? When FYM raped other single and married women members in his office and warned them not to reveal to anybody their holy duties of giving up their bodies or else they will be killed, is this conduct meeting God's standard?
Is it a standard of God instead of helping the poor you would take monies from them? Is it a standard of God to require babies, infants, and toddlers to give thanksgiving monies annually to the Iglesia cult?

Question #52

Why do you use deceitfully Exodus 3:12 in teaching the commissioning by God of FYM is proven by his accomplishment of work entrusted by God? The verse pertains to Moses who was called personally by God to liberate the Israelites from Egypt. Moses was a true messenger of God. What about FYM? Felix Manalo was not called by God. He can't provide a verse that has the verb "send" as Moses had. What FYM has been doing is he had been making the noun "angel" into a verb. But there is no Bible verse that says to FYM, "I angel you". Never. What about the works allegedly given by God to FYM which is the work of worship? The worship originally commanded by God to Moses is a worship on the mountain (Exo.3:12). God does not dwell in temples made by hands, thus the Scriptures says:

"God who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands." -Acts 17:24 NKJV)

The Iglesia compulsory worships done in their chapels are buildings made by hands. Therefore, God does not dwell in them. If God does not dwell in them, who does? Therefore, the Iglesia worship are worthless. Manalo need these worthless man-made worship as a pretext for member brainwashings and manipulations, and digging for monies.

Why did God allowed the Jerusalem Temple to be destroyed as predicted by Christ (Mt.24:2)? The Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Romans. God allowed it to be destroyed because the believers of Christ have become the temples of God (1 Cor.3:16).

 
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Does the INC think its members are stupid?

July 1 2006, 12:18 AM 

January 26 2003 at 12:55 PM
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Prior to being baptized into the INC, a would be member has to hear or listen to 28 lessons or more. These lessons deal with the basics of the INC and the duties and responsibilities expected from a member like monetary offering, voting for politicians selected by the INC and so on and so forth.

After baptism, guess what? The member will have to attend the twice a week "service". To simplify, a member has to sit down and listen to whatever the minister says in the pulpit.

And what doctrines does the minister proclaims in the pulpit that has not been taught to the members prior to their baptism?

The same recycled doctrines will be "taught", year in and year out.

For example, the giving of monetary offering. Why does the minister have to repeat that when in fact, members have been taught of that duty even before being baptized?

There is only one answer, either the minister thinks the members are stupid (unable to understand or remember what was previously taught to him) or the minister thinks that he is not able to communicate well to the members, so he has to repeat it again and again?

Pick your choice.

 
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mas stupid u

July 7 2006, 12:21 PM 

magbasa po kau ng bible kong ano napapaloob dun....at makikita u kong pano sumamba o purihin ang Ama. Para kang walang pinag aralan yan eh...

 
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This is a funny and true story of the INC Baptism

July 1 2006, 12:24 AM 

January 28 2003 at 12:08 AM
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10-year olds: Old enough to be baptized? [a true funny story]
January 10 2003 at 3:12 AM Kristian (Login kristianmag)
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The INC attacks Roman Catholic practice of baptizing babies because they say babies are too young to understand the Christian teachings. But are 10-12-year olds old enough?

A day or two before an INC child gets baptized, he is put into an oral test (called "screening"). Last January 2, my younger brother (10-year old) went to Sn Fernando (the district capital of Pampanga) together with other kids around his age for the "screening". When he came home, my parents asked him of what happened during the "screening".

He told us that he was never asked any question. He said that the minister kept on confusing him with another child, and so the minister could have just missed him.

Also, he said that only a single question was asked for each kid, questions like "Who's God's messenger in these last days?", "Is Jesus God or man?", "What is the official name of the church founded by Christ?"

[Take note of the questions. They were never asked of the gospel, Christ's sacrifice, etc.]

On to the funny part (we found it funny while my brother was telling the story). One kid was asked something like, "How much money must be "offered" during worship services?" The boy answered, "Ten pesos." Of course, the minister "corrected" him that money offerings are "voluntary".

Two days later, all of those in the screening (which isn't screening at all!) were baptized, including my brother who was never asked, and the other kid who answered incorrectly the only question asked to him.


The End

 
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Hypnosis in the INC

July 1 2006, 12:36 AM 

January 2 2003 at 2:52 AM
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A controlled environment, a chapel interior with acoustics designed specially for effective voice reception, a system of separating husband and wife, couples and groups to discourage whispering and discussions, deacons and deaconesses that reprimand noisy members, a “yes” prayer response, a repetitive lesson and prayer delivered with a distinct intonation and designed to inject custom-made images of hopelessness, cynicism, persecution and an evil world -- this is how hypnosis is done in every worship service of the INC.

You can check it out for yourself, but we don’t have to go far to confirm this fact. Just observe the way they engage in the discussions here. They like making up their own statistics and make sweeping remarks of other religions.

INCs are conditioned. They are continuously fed with lies about non-INCs.

When I was still an active INC, I invited a friend to observe the worship service with the intention to eventually convert her in the INC. She was a Psychologist and a professional counselor. During the prayer, when everyone bowed down their heads, closed their eyes and started responding “yes” to the prayer, she was shocked to realize that she is in the middle of a mass hypnosis.

Today, I am reminded of this incident when I watched a video produced by Discovery Channel, The Multiple Personality Puzzle. The video explained how mass hypnosis was done in the 1980’s -- when people have been conditioned to think that they have a history of child abuse and have been used in Satanic rituals. People posing as therapists in several unrelated sessions have injected these images.

I will try to post some of the INCs conditioned responses in a copy of this thread in the other forum, at http://www.network54.com/hide/forum/84590. You may also post your observations there.

 
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I witnessed it myself when I attended their worship daw

August 15 2006, 2:06 PM 

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LUCIA, PSYCHIATRIST, & YOU ARE THE ONES HIPNOTIZED WHEN WORSHIPPING YOUR IDOLS

December 20 2006, 9:37 AM 

CORRECTION PLEASE........ IT IS LUCIA,HER FRIEND PSYCHIATRIST,& YOU THAT ARE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE DEVIL'S HIPNOTISM BECAUSE YOU BLINDLY WORSHIP GRAVEN IMAGES AND PRACTICE PAGANISM INSIDE YOUR CATHOLIC CHURCH INSTEAD OF WORSHIPPING THE TRUE GOD ALMIGHTY, THE FATHER IN HEAVEN.

THE TRUTH IS THAT YOU JUST IGNORE GOD'S COMMANDMENTS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE BECAUSE IT REQUIRES EFFORT & SACRIFICE ON YOUR PART. YOU ONLY WANT TO SERVE GOD THE WAY YOU WANT IT BUT NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOD'S WILL. TAMAD LANG KAYONG MAGLINGKOD, KAYA KAHIT ALAM NIYO NG TOTOO ANG INC AY DI NIYO MAGAWA.

 
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Hypnosis

October 25 2006, 3:11 AM 

Thanks for mentioning this. I work in Psych and that was exactly my feeling when i went into the INC church the first time. it felt like they were trying to hypnotize everyone in there. How did you end up realizing that this was hypnotism?

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TACIA & HER FRIEND PSYCHIATRIST ARE THE ONES HIPNOTIZED WHEN WORHIPPING IDOLS...

December 20 2006, 9:19 AM 

CORRECTION PLEASE, IT IS TACIA & HER FRIEND PSYCHIATRIST THAT ARE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE DEVIL'S HIPNOTISM BECAUSE THEY BLINDLY WORSHIP GRAVEN IMAGES AND PRACTICE PAGANISM INSTEAD OF WORSHIPPING THE TRUE GOD ALMIGHTY.

 
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The testimony of dr. Teen is true

November 19 2007, 11:23 AM 

I experienced it myself when I attended their satanic worship service

 
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To Hurt or not to Hurt (The Cultists of Manalo)

July 1 2006, 2:50 AM 

posted in:
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and in:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/84590/message/1148004244/To+Manalo+cultists+hurt+by+my+postings


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This piece is dedicated to an INC named Laarni who emailed me this:

I cried when I read your messages. I felt sick and I couldn't concentrate any more. Any religion is a relationship between you and God. I'm an INC girl and I believe in God and the prophets, and one of the prophets is ka-Felix. You can't feel the truth in your heart because you are blind.

Would you feel good if someone said that your mother is a whore? I apologize to your mother but I want you to understand. It hurts! -Right? You feel bad and you will never let anyone to say that even if it is the true.

CB you are hurting so many people and I'm one of them. I hope you are happy because I am depressed. For God's sake go back to your mind and stop this. I'm a Christian and I never say bad things about any religion. Stop hurting people.

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To Hurt or not to Hurt

As I continue to receive countless emails from the readers, some are praises, some are seeking advice on how to pull their loved ones out of the INCM, some convincing me to go back to their INC fold and most are nasty curses that usually contain the four lettered word towards my personality.

I am sorry that my postings sadden you. But sometimes it is necessary to feel bad to avoid a bigger disaster. Let us say you go for a checkup and your doctor says you have cancer. Of course the news is painful and will make you upset and sad. But isn't it better to know the truth and do something soon to fight the cancer?

Instead of feeling bad about what I say, read more and see if I am lying. If I am lying then there is no reason for feeling bad. You become convinced that INCM is true and you won't have to pay any more attention to me than you would pay to a barking dog. If INCM is true and if it is from God, no one can extinguish its light and all my efforts will be frustrated. But if I tell the truth, then you want to know the facts and leave this false cult because it is like cancer and it will eventually kill you. The therapy maybe painful, but it will save your life and you will live more productively.

So all you have to do now, is to find out whether I lie or tell the truth. This is easy. Read my postings and the future ones and verify my quotes. If I do not back up my claims with facts, if I talk nonsense and without logics, you know I am lying. But if I prove all my claims and no cultist is able to refute what I say, then you know I am telling the truth. Leave INCM and join me and the growing army of ex-INCM cultists so we can fight this lie together.

If INCM is a lie, it certainly can't bring you closer to God. The god you are worshipping is not the real God. You don't have a relationship with God. Even though you think you have a relationship with God, your relationship is actually with Satan. Those who follow blindly the Administration are Satan worshippers. You worship the same demon. You can fool yourself as much as you please, but you can't change the facts. You don't want to die and find out you were wrong all your life. That would be too late. You want to find the truth while you are still alive and do something about it. This is not difficult. Truth is very clear. You can prove it with almost mathematical precision.

Yes if someone tells me my mother was a whore I would be very saddened. I probably would not want to know that because I can't do much about it. If I am an adult, my mother most likely is dead or an aged woman and obviously no more in that profession. So you are right, sometimes it is better not to know the truth. In this case I can't do anything about it except being hurt and as a good friend you may want to keep that information away from me.

But what if I discover that my father is a serial rapist/killer or my daughter is a whore? This hurts too but if this is the case I must know this truth because I can do something about it. In the case of my father, he could be hurting and killing innocent people. I must go to authorities and report him. Yes it hurts me a lot but I can't live with my conscience knowing my father rapes and kills innocent people. My loyalty to him should not come between me and doing the right thing. If my daughter is a whore I may be able to help her. Maybe she has addiction problem and does this to support her addiction; maybe she is in wrong company, maybe she is going through a life crisis or just does not have the right direction. Of course in these cases I must know the truth no matter how hurtful that truth maybe. If I keep my head in the sand and pretend I know nothing, the consequence may be devastating.

As for Felix, he is nobody to us. He was neither your father nor mine. We certainly owe this man nothing. If he lied, all we have to do is dump him, curse him and spit at his satanic cult. Why this should hurt us? If truth hurts us it is our own fault. This is one such truth that we must know. We have placed our lives and our souls in the hands of a man who was a liar, a fornicator, a lustful womanizer, a plunderer, a rapist, and a hateful bigot. How foolish of us! He is not our father or anything to us. We just chose to believe in this monster. Some chose to believe in the lies of Jim Jones, some chose to believe in the lies of David Koresh, some chose to believe in the lies of Ruben Ecleo, some chose to believe in the lies of Hitler; we chose to believe in the lies of Felix. We can easily stop believing in him and go back to our lives. Believing in this man and his lies is hurting us a lot. Many political decisions and elections in the Philippines are skewed because of the Administration influenced by the lies of this false prophet. The myth of considerable block voting is used by the administration during the elections in exchange for "something" in favor of the cult administration once the supported(or deceived) candidates won the seat. The litigation threats and bigotry continue once you say not so flattering about felix and the INCM administration. Members are psychologically abused in INCM because of this man's lies. This is not the kind of lie we would be better off if we did not know about. This is the kind of lie that is hurting us and is endangering the freedom of speech. This is a lie that we should know stop it.

Felix is dead. He is burning in the lowest pit of hell. But his followers are perpetuating that psychopath's behaviors and are making their own lives and the lives of others hellish. We can't let this go on for ever. This lie must end and you, I, and other good people who pretend to be cultists must stop it.

At first it hurts because you have affection for Felix. But once you realize he was a bad man and he fooled you for his own selfish gain, it won't hurt you anymore. Truth never hurts, it is the shattering of lies that hurts. Once you know the truth, you will start despising Felix and hate him. Your hurt will be transformed into anger and you want to destroy the cult of that evil monster. You see the hypocrisy of the INCM ministers and the administration and the burden they imposed upon the members and you know they are all victims and victimizers and that is because they have been fooled by this evil man and now they act like zombies. They are people without will and understanding. They have submitted to evil and surrendered to lies. Once you know the truth, you want to help these poor people. You become determined to expose this lie and pull them out of this cult. You don't do that to hurt these zombies but to bring them back to life and consciousness. You do that because you love them. Stopping someone who is heading to a precipice like a drunkard is not hurting him. Awakening someone and dragging him out of the house in the middle of the night, is not abuse if the house is on fire. Today we must awaken the cultists fast and drag them out of INCM before they blow up this country. We should not pay any attention to their complaint saying you are hurting us by waking us up. They must wake up even if this means shouting at them, throwing cold water on them or hitting them with a stick. Cultists must wake up. We can't let them continue with this slumber. This is a deadly dream. Their oblivion is destroying lives.

Please don't hide your head in the sand because facing the truth is painful. Read the articles in this forum and in 70213 and verify them. Doubt everything I say and make your own research. Read the different versions of the bibles and compare them to the INCM's favorite bible-the Lamsa, analyze your doctrines and see for yourself I am not making up things. Then once you find the truth, join us and let us help others get out of this burning house. If we keep our heads in the sand and pretend we do not see and do not understand a chaos is going to hit us and this foolish hatred that Felix inculcated in his followers is going to bring further bigotry and hatred. We can't let a few millions live and die for a lie. You and I, and other pretend cultists are the only people that can stop this.

No matter how hurtful is my postings to you, read it and verify what I say. If you find me a liar, no harm is done and all you hurts will go away and you will be reconfirmed. If what I say the true, leave INCM and help others to leave it too. You are responsible.

Don't flunk.

 
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HAVE YOU ASKED THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO WHY? (QUESTION NOS. 8-14)

July 1 2006, 10:19 PM 

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Question #8:

Why does the Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) or Church of Christ (of FYM)lies to its members and indoctrinees that the first century Christians were members of the Church of Christ or Iglesia ni Cristo when in truth they were members of the organization or sect called "Way"?

VERSES BLACKLISTED BY FYM AND NEVER TO BE READ BY IGLESIA NI CRISTO MEMBERS:

"Then Saul, breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem."
-Acts 9:1-2 NKJV

"But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets." -Acts 24:14 NKJV

Question #9:

Why does the Iglesia ni Cristo or Church of Christ (of FYM) lies to its members that the TWO in which the one new man is created from is Head and Body when in truth the TWO refers to the TWO RACES which are the Jews and Gentiles?

BIBLE VERSIONS BLACKLISTED BY FYM AND NEVER TO BE SMELLED BY INC MEMBERS

"He abolished the Jewish Law with its commandments and rules, in order to create out of the two races one new people in union with himself, in this way making peace." -Ephesians 2:15 Today's English Version

"By his death he ended the whole system of Jewish law that excluded the Gentiles. His purpose was to make peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new person from the two groups." -Ephesians 2:15 New Living Translation

Question #10:

Why does your INC church violate the Bible by making the Iglesia ni Cristo or Church of Christ (of FYM) preeminent over all things thru constant sermon in your compulsory worship services teaching: "DO NOT EXCHANGE YOUR INC MEMBERSHIPS WITH ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS WORLD," when according to the Bible it should be Christ who should be given preeminence over all things?

VERSE DE-PREEMINIZED BY FYM:

"And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the first born from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence." -Colossians 1:18 NKJV

Question #11:

Why do you preach the love of brotherhood but in practice you practice hatred of all your members by unjustly and cruelly delisting their names from all registries and regular reports upon their death despite that they are just sleeping? Why do you prohibit your members from ever remembering their dead love ones never visiting them nor cleaning their graves and tombs while being hypocrites yourselves as you enforce the remembering of your dead messenger, twice a year?

VERSES TRAMPLED BY YOUR CHURCH ADMINISTRATION:

"Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king." -1 Peter 2:17 NKJV

"For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another." -1 John 3:11 NKJV

Question #12:

What must be endured until the end in order to be saved inside the Iglesia ni Cristo? The following checklist can be used:

( )1. Become a member of the Iglesia ni Cristo and must not exchange INC membership with any thing else in this world, until the end;
( ) 2. Attend the compulsory worship services twice a week (on Thursdays and Sundays), until the end;
( ) 3. Attend the compulsory weekly committee prayer to listen to the message from the Church Administration, until the end;
( ) 4. Bear soul fruits by inviting people to the Bible Exposition and Grand Evangelical Mission (G.E.M.) urging them to undergo indoctrination and rearing them by spending time and monies from own pockets till their baptism, until the end;
( ) 5. Fulfill the giving of many kinds of offerings split into many names with no exception even though you are very poor, until the end;
( ) 6. Set aside monies weekly from the first week of January thru the 2nd week of December entrusting the monies to the INC treasury with the understanding that that such monies can never be taken back, until the end;
( ) 7. Renew your life always until the end;
( ) 8. Ask God that He forgive your sins always in every worship service prayers, devotional prayers, committee prayers, family prayers, etc., until the end;
( ) 9. Love the brotherhood by watching INC members you know so that he/she will not be absent in the twice s week compulsory worship services, until the end;
( ) 10. Pray God that He bless the Church Administration always so that the Administration can lead the church of Christ till it reaches the perfectin of faith, until the end;

VERSE REVISED BY FYM:

"And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved." -Matthew 10:22 NKJV

Question #13:

Which are the works that must be done according to Apostle James in order for one to have perfect faith? Note: The checklist provided in Question #12 can be used if applicable.

APOSTLE JAMES' WORKS DESTROYED BY FYM:

"Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom...But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace." -James 3:13,17-18 NKJV

Question #14:

Is stealing and thievery allowed by your church? If no, then, why did FYM stole the many prophecies of the Bible that belonged to somebody? Example: Isaiah 41:9-10 is owned by Israel as testified in Isaiah 41:8; Isaiah 43:5-6 is owned by Israel as testified in Isaiah 43:1; the title "bird of prey" (Isaiah 46:11) is owned by King Cyrus of Persia as testified in the same verse by the Living Bible and Today's English Version; The sealing angels of Revelation 7:2-3 are the heavenly angels as testified in Revelation 14:6 but was stolen by FYM.

PARTIAL LIST OF PROPHECIES STOLEN BY FYM:

ISAIAH 43:5-6
ISAIAH 41:9-10
ISAIAH 46:11
REVELATION 7:2-3

 
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HAVE YOU ASKED THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO WHY? (QUESTION NOS. 15-24)

July 1 2006, 10:23 PM 

December 30 2002 at 3:12 PM
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Question #15:

Why do you teach it the faith in the Iglesia ni Cristo that members must fight for? Is it the faith in the Iglesia ni Cristo, or, is it the faith in Jesus Christ that we must fight for?

THE FAITH TAUGHT BY APOSTLE PAUL THAT WAS REPLACED BY FYM:

"knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for the works of the law no flesh shall be justified." -Galatians 2:16 NKJV

Question #16:

Why have you replaced Lord Jesus Christ with Felix Y. Manalo as the messenger of God? Why don't you teach that Jesus Christ is a messenger of God?

VERSE BLASPHEMED BY FYM:

"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." -John 17:3 NKJV

Question #17:

Why were you deceived by FYM by upholding Felix Y. Manalo as the messenger of God in these last days relying only on the dictionary meaning of the noun "angel" and cannot produce a verse having the actual verb "sent" where God says to FYM, "I sent you."

THE TRICKS BY FYM IN CONVERTING THE WORD "ANGEL" INTO MESSENGER OF GOD:

"Then I saw another angel ascending from the east..." (Rev. 7:2-3 NKJV)

"angel (an-jl), n. 1. in Theology, a messenger of God; also, a spiritual being, either beneficient or evil..."
(Webster Dictionary, p.28)

(NOTE: The dictionary meaning of "angel" causes catastrophy to FYM's angelhood---Is he a beneficient angel or is he an EVIL angel?

THE BRAIN OF THE DECEIVING WORKS PERPETRATED BY FYM:

"So the great dragon was cast out that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." -Revelation 12:9 NKJV

Question #18:

Why does your church ministers use the reconciliation authority of the Apostles provided in 2 Cor. 5:18-20? Were your ministers sent by Jesus Christ in order to become Christ's apostles? The true apostles were sent by Christ (John 20:21). If your INC ministers are not the apostles of Christ, they are therefore without the shadow of any doubt that they are the false apostles.

APOSTLE PAUL'S FOREWARNING OF FALSE APOSTLES:

"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works." -2 Cor.11:13-15 NKJV

Question #19:

Why can't you make up your mind as to who really sent Felix Y. Manalo? Your gospel book entitled "Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ), written by FYM as amended by his son, Erano G. Manalo, has three conflicting doctrines of who sent FYM, viz:

1. FYM is the messenger of God (Doctrine #11);
2. FYM is the messenger of Christ (Doctrine #8 using John 10:16);
3. FYM is the messenger of the apostles (Doctrine #11 using Rom.10:15 & 2 Cor.5:18-20)

THE WIND OF DOCTRINE IN THE INC REVEALS FYM'S TRICKERY & DECEITFUL PLOTTING:

"that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting." Ephesians 4:14 NKJV

Question #20:

Why does your INC church always preaches there is no more remedy for those who absent themselves from the worship service except the lake of fire, when in truth there is always a remedy, which is, to attend future worship services?

INC MINISTERS LIARS ARE SONS OF THE DEVIL:

"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a muderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it." -John 8:44 NKJV

Question #21:

Why do you always change what is written in the Bible? Example: The Bible says "in Christ" (Rom.8:1 NKJV) but you change it into "in Church of Christ". The Bible says, "in union with Christ Jesus" (Rom.8:1 TEV) but you change it into "in union with the Church of Christ." What you are doing is taking away the name of Christ and adding your cult's name, "Church of Christ."

PUNISHMENT FOR ADDING AND TAKING AWAY THE WORDS OF GOD:

"For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If any one adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." -Rev.22:18-19 NKJV

Question #22:

Why do you violate 2 Cor.9:7 by requiring babies to give money thanksgiving offerings twice a year? Don't you know that 2 Cor. 9:7 says, "each one give as HE PURPOSES IN HIS HEART..."? Are babies capable of purposing in their hearts the giving of the monies?

THOSE WHO PERVERT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST ARE ACCURSED:

"I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another, but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." -Gal.1:6-8 NKJV

Question #23:

Why do you deceitfully use Luke 2:22-24 as a basis for thanksgiving of babies to be given by parents when according to the verses the offering was not for child Jesus but for his mother's own sake for her atonement so she will become clean (Leviticus 12:6-8 NKJV)

THE LAW IN WHICH LUKE 2:24 IS BASED:

"When the days of her purification are fulfilled, whether for a son or a daughter, she shall bring to the priest a lamb of the first year as a burnt offering, and a young pigeon or a turtle-dove as a sin offering, to the door of the tabernacle of meeting. The he shall offer it before the Lord, and make atonement FOR HER. And SHE shall be clean from the flow of her blood. This is the law for her who has borne a male or a female." -Lev.12:6-7 NKJV

Question #24:

Why do you still require your poor members to give monies when it is the rich who are commanded to give and to share their monies?

BIBLE'S COMMAND TO THE RICH PERVERTED BY FYM TO APPLY TO THE POOR:

"Command those who are RICH in this present age not to be haughty, nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives us richly all things to enjoy. Let THEM do good, they they may be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share, storing up for themselves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life." 1 Tim.6:17-19 NKJV

IT IS THE POOR THAT NEEDS HELP:

"For it pleased those from Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain CONTRIBUTION FOR THE POOR among the saints who are in Jerusalem." -Rom.15:26 NKJV

 
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INC is the best!

July 1 2006, 10:28 PM 

December 16 2002 at 9:13 PM
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Nobody can use the Bible like the INC.

 
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kapatid ba u?

July 7 2006, 12:31 PM 

kong kapatid u....?wala na talagang hihigit pa sa mga Ministro ng I.N.C sa pagtuturo ng Ebanghilyo dahil ang iba ay walang karapatang magturo o di sila Sugo.

 
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it started again

July 1 2006, 10:37 PM 

November 23 2002 at 6:34 AM
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Its started "AGAIN"!
Its only November and the Iglesia Ni Cristo Ministers are PREACHING we have to GIVE to the ADMINISTRATION.
Its called annual Thanksgiving to GOD but its really thanksgiving to enrich the ADMINISTRATION.
Ministers are preaching and making FALSE statements. The Ministers preach about other religions being involved in business ventures and making money. Then they state the Iglesia Ni Cristo only grows from money donated by members. That is SERIOUSLY TWISTING THE TRUTH!

Iglesia Ni Cristo grows because they invested the money donated by Brethren ($$ donated in the U.S.) in businesses such as NETWORK 25, a complete Television station with NEWS AGENCY, Radio Stations, Housing complexes, New Era College, Maternity Clinic, Holspital then they go on to say the only reason we have churches in the U.S. is because of the donations provided by the members in the Philippines. They state we should support the Administration NOT the Administration support us as LOCALES.
The basis for the preaching and demanding we support the ADMINISTRATION IS PSALM 50: 14 and 23. Read these verses and read the verses above and below to see the slight of hand. You will see the twisting of the Bible verses to support MAN.



A PSALM OF ASAPH
Psalm 50
1 The mighty God, the LORD, has spoken;
he has summoned all humanity from east to west!
2 From Mount Zion, the perfection of beauty,
God shines in glorious radiance.
3 Our God approaches with the noise of thunder.
Fire devours everything in his way,
and a great storm rages around him.
4 Heaven and earth will be his witnesses
as he judges his people:
5 "Bring my faithful people to me-
those who made a covenant with me giving sacrifices."
6 Then let the heavens proclaim his justice,
for God himself will be the judge.
Interlude
7 "O my people, listen as I speak.
Here are my charges against you, O Israel:
I am God, your God!
8 I have no complaint about your sacrifices
or the burnt offerings you constantly bring to my altar.
9 But I want no more bulls from your barns;
I want no more goats from your pens.
10 For all the animals of the forest are mine,
and I own the cattle on a thousand hills.
11 Every bird of the mountains
and all the animals of the field belong to me.
12 If I were hungry, I would not mention it to you,
for all the world is mine and everything in it.
13 I don't need the bulls you sacrifice;
I don't need the blood of goats.
14 What I want instead is your true thanks to God;
I want you to fulfill your vows to the Most High.
15 Trust me in your times of trouble,
and I will rescue you,
and you will give me glory."
16 But God says to the wicked:
"Recite my laws no longer,
and don't pretend that you obey me.
17 For you refuse my discipline
and treat my laws like trash.
18 When you see a thief, you help him,
and you spend your time with adulterers.
19 Your mouths are filled with wickedness,
and your tongues are full of lies.
20 You sit around and slander a brother-
your own mother's son.
21 While you did all this, I remained silent,
and you thought I didn't care.
But now I will rebuke you,
listing all my charges against you.
22 Repent, all of you who ignore me,
or I will tear you apart,
and no one will help you.
23 But giving thanks is a sacrifice that truly honors me.
If you keep to my path,
I will reveal to you the salvation of God."

 
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UNITY OF THE DIVINE BEING, ESSENCE, SUBSTANCE AND NATURE OF THE TRINITY

July 1 2006, 10:46 PM 

September 8 2002 at 7:40 PM
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UNITY OF THE DIVINE BEING, ESSENCE, SUBSTANCE AND NATURE OF THE
HOLY TRINITY

Following verses will show unity in the divine being, essence, substance and nature of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

1. ONENESS IN THE FULL POSSESSION OF THE DIVINE ATTRIBUTES & ESSENCE OR BEING:

(John 16:14) "He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you."

The “mine” are not the disciples as there’s no reason to think that the Holy Spirit will take Christ’s disciples and make them be known to themselves. The “what is mine” the Holy Spirit has taken from Christ and is making known to the disciples is the Lordship or Divinity of Jesus. (1 Corinthians 12: 3) “Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God, says, “Jesus is cursed, “and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.” The “what is mine” is Divine Lordship that is also possessed by the Holy Spirit as evident from (2 Cor. 3:18) “And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord’s glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.”

Christ Himself owns everything that belongs to His Father. The expression, “All that belongs to the Father” means all the divine attributes and essence or substance or being (except the personality) of the Father. No two individual can possess everything that the other one possesses nor a third person takes from any one of the them without any of the two losing it unless the three of them possess exactly the same divine being, essence, substance and nature.

If everything that belongs to the Father belongs also to Christ and the Holy Spirit takes from what is Christ’s, then, by logical extension the Holy Spirit also owns everything that the Father and the Son possess. That makes them con-substantial.

These 2 verses are very convincing proof of the unity of divine essence, being, substance and nature of the 3 Divine Persons. If the doctrine of the Tri-theist that the 3 Divine Persons are 3 separate coequal Gods possessing generically identical three divine natures or essences (“God stuff”) is true, then each one possesses the same divine attributes in equal measure. But in spite of this no one among them can claim full ownership over the divine attributes and possession of the other as in our subject text. If this is the case, then the word should have been, “All that belongs to the Father I also have.” But that is not the words Christ used! Christ said instead, “All that belongs to the Father is mine.”

To illustrate by an way of an analogy, consider a grown-up triplet. The 3 men have the same physical characteristics and the same human natures. The physical body of the one although the same in nature with the other two are exclusively owned by the one. Even if the three of them have equal material possessions each one owns exclusively his own property. The property and the physical attributes of the one are not owned by the other two and vice-versa. If one of the triplets gets blind for example, he cannot use the eyes of either of the two in order to see. It is because he does not own everything that either of the two possesses. He owns only what belongs to him.

Now, we apply this reasoning to the 3 divine persons.

If they are three separate beings then individually each one possesses the same generic attributes. Yet, no one can claim full ownership of the attributes of the other two. Further if they are three separate beings the power of the one can be exercised independently and even in opposition to the other two and therefore is said to be owned exclusively by the one.

None of them can possess everything that the other two possess unless all the three of them possess the same identical divine essence or unless there exists a numerical oneness in their divine being. It is only when they are one in their divine being, substance or essence and nature can anyone of the three claims He owns everything that the other possesses and transmit it wholly to the third just as Christ in saying, “All that belongs to the Father is mine” and “the Spirit will take from what is Mine.”

It is only when they are one in their divine being, essence, substance and nature that none of them can act independently of the other two. This is consistent with Christ statement in (John 5:19) “I tell you most solemnly, the Son can do nothing by Himself; He can do only what He sees the Father doing; and whatever the Father does the Son does too.” This is both a denial of a separate existence from His own Father and a claim to omnipotence. In (Romans 15:19) we read, “…by the power of signs and miracles, through the power of the Spirit…” Christ is doing the work of the Father by the power of the Holy Spirit. In (Luke 4:18) we read, “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because He has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppresses,..” The Holy Spirit sent Christ just as the Father sent Him.

He is claiming unity of divine essence. Imagine Christ saying instead, “the Son can do everything by Himself. He need not see what His Father is doing; and whatever the Father does the Son does too .” What would this mean? This is affirming the existence of an independent being, co-equal with God in power and might, but can do separate action, in other words, a second God! But with His given statement Christ affirms both his divinity and consubstantiality (unity of substance) with His own Father. That is the very essence of a Son. It’s impossible for the Son to be otherwise. (Hebrews 1:3) “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word.”

This is also true with the Holy Spirit. He does not do things independent from the Father and the Son. (John 16:13) “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes He will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on His own; He will speak only what He hears….”




2. UNITY OF ACTIONS OF THE 3 PERSONS DEMONSTRATES THE UNITY OF THEIR DIVINE BEING, ESSENCE, SUBSTANCE AND NATURE


In raising Christ from death: Who raised Christ from the dead?

(Acts 2:32) “ God has raised this Jesus to life,….” The Father raised Christ from the dead.

(John 2:19) “ Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” Jesus raised Himself.

(1Peter 3:18) “ ..He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, through whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison.”



In creating the universe: Who created the universe?

THE FATHER CREATED THE UNIVERSE:

(Gen.1:1) “ In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”

(Isaiah 44:24) “I, Myself, Yahweh, made all things, I alone spread out the heavens. When I gave the earth shape, did anyone help me”?


THE SON CREATED THE UNIVERSE:

(Hebrews 1:8-10) “But to His son He says: Your throne O God is for ever and ever……And again: It is you, Lord, who laid the earth’s foundations in the beginning, the heavens are the works of your hands.”

(Colossians1:16) “…For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by Him and for Him.”



THE HOLY SPIRIT CREATED THE UNIVERSE:

(Psalm 104:30) "When you send your Spirit they are created,...." God the Father is the Creator, the Son is the Creator and the Holy Spirit is the Creator.



In the divine works:

(John 5:19) “I tell you most solemnly, the Son can do nothing by Himself; He can do only what He sees the Father doing; and whatever the Father does the Son does too.” It means they are not separate beings or substances. If they were separate beings then from their individual freedom of action they can do separate actions. “Nothing on my own” is an expression to emphasise Christ’s unity of essence with the Father. The relationship is not a form of dependency that exists between a creature and his Creator because in the next verses v. 37 & 38 Christ claims He does exactly what His Father does. If the Father creates a universe Christ does the same, etc. A mere creature cannot do this. They have unity in action. That would have been different had Christ said instead, “I do everything on my own”

(John 10:37) “Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does.” There’s nothing that the Father can do that the Son cannot do. Divine works or activities are being done by Christ. This is a claim to equality in the divine attribute called OMNIPOTENCE. This is further reinforce by the next verse.

(John 5:17) “…..My Father is always at His work to this very day, and I, too am working. For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him…” Why would the Jews want to kill Him? They clearly understood the claim to omnipotence. The Father after creating the universe stops His creative works, yet He sustains His creation. Likewise, Christ does the same, He sustains it too. In (Hebrews 1:3) we read, “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by His powerful word.”

(John 14:10) “…the words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing His work.” The Father is doing the work of Christ. The words He has spoken came from God. They are one.

(Romans 15:19) “…by the power of signs and miracles, through the power of the Spirit…” Christ is doing the work of the Father by the power of the Holy Spirit. Comparing this verse with the previous one we see that the activity of the Holy Spirit is being associated with the activity of God the Father.

(Luke 4:18) “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because He has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppresses,..” The Holy Spirit is doing the work of God through Christ. The Holy Spirit is said to have sent Christ, exactly what the Father did. The activity of the Holy Spirit is being associated with the activity of the Father.

(Matthew 12:28) “But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.” The Holy Spirit is doing the work of God through Christ.


In delivering the message of God:

(John 14:10) “…the words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing His work.” The Son is not a separate being from the Father as the expression, “not just my own” strongly suggests. If the Son was a separate being He can speak solely on His own from their freedom of expression.

(John 16:13) “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes He will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on His own; He will speak only what He hears….” The Holy Spirit is not a separate being from the Father and the Son as the expression, “He will not speak on His own” strongly suggests. If He was a separate being He can speak on His own from His freedom of expression.


In sending the Son into the world:

(John 3:17) “for God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.”

(Luke 4:18) “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because He has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppresses,..” The Holy Spirit is doing the work of God through Christ. The Holy Spirit is said to have sent Christ, exactly what the Father did. The activity of the Holy Spirit is being associated with the activity of the Father.


In sending Holy Spirit into the world:

(John 15:26) “When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out of the Father, He will testify about Me;”

(John 14:25) But the Counselor whom the Father will send in my name”
The Holy Spirit was sent by both the Father and the Son.



Inclusion in the "One Name" of God in the Baptismal Formula and Apostolic Greetings:

(Matthew 8:19) “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,…” The 3 Personae are mentioned side by side in the baptismal formula showing their equality in dignity and honour. The word “name “ is in singular form indicating a singular being or individual possessing 3 persons within their one being.

(Romans 1:2-4) “…and set apart for the gospel of God - the gospel He promised beforehand through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding His Son, who as to His human nature was descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of Holiness….”

(2 Corinthians 13:14) “May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.”

(Ephesians 1:13-14) “…Having believed, you were marked in Him with a seal, the promise Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession….”

(Ephesians 4:4-6) “There is one body and one Spirit - just as you were called - one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.”

(Hebrews 9:14) "How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the Eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God....."


VIEWS OF THE CAPPADOCIANS:

St. Gregory of Nyssa (one of the 3 "Cappadocian Fathers") explains the unity of the Trinity forcefully in his Book “Not 3 Gods.”

“Thus, since among men the action of each in the same pursuits is discriminated, they are properly called many, since each of them is separated from the others within his own environment, according to the special character of his operation.

But in the case of the Divine nature we do not similarly learn that the Father does anything by Himself in which the Son does not work conjointly, or again that the Son has any special operation apart from the Holy Spirit; but every operation which extends from God to the Creation, and is named according to our variable conceptions of it, has its origin from the Father, and proceeds through the Son, and is perfected in the Holy Spirit. For this reason the name derived from the operation is not divided with regard to the number of those who fulfill it, because the action of each concerning anything is not separate and peculiar, but whatever comes to pass, in reference either to the acts of His providence for us, or to the government and constitution of the universe, comes to pass by the action of the Three, yet what does come to pass is not three things.

We may understand the meaning of this from one single instance. From Him, I say, Who is the chief source of gifts, all things which have shared in this grace have obtained their life. When we inquire, then, whence this good gift came to us, we find by the guidance of the Scriptures that it was from the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Yet although we set forth Three Persons and three names, we do not consider that we have had bestowed upon us three lives, one from each Person separately; but the same life is wrought in us by the Father, and prepared by the Son, and depends on the will of the Holy Spirit. Since then the Holy Trinity fulfils every operation in a manner similar to that of which I have spoken, not by separate action according to the number of the Persons, but so that there is one motion and disposition of the good will which is communicated from the Father through the Son to the Spirit (for as we do not call those whose operation gives one life three Givers of life, neither do we call those who are contemplated in one goodness three Good beings, nor speak of them in the plural by any of their other attributes); so neither can we call those who exercise this Divine and superintending power and operation towards ourselves and all creation, conjointly and inseparably, by their mutual action, three Gods.”





SUMMARY:

A.) THE CASE OF THREE INDIVIDUAL MEN WITH A COMMON HUMAN NATURE (DIVISIBLE SUBSTANCE OR ESSENCE):

1. Differentiated in relation to SPACE & TIME. Located in different places and born in different times.
2. Can act/operate severally, independently and separately.
3. Can have opposing wills and interest.
4. May not have common causal relation.
5. Number of hypostases may change due to Procreation and death.
6. Human attributes varies. No one individual is completely equal to another in all human attributes. No one individual shares the physical body and attributes of another.
Example: Difference in: height, weight, color, DNA, physical features, blood chemistry & intelligence

Abuse of language (“3 men”) is allowed because of the above considerations. Strictly there is only “one man” that is, one human nature.


B.) THE THREE DIVINE HYPOSTASES (PERSONAE) POSSESSING THE SAME INDIVISIBLE DIVINE ESSENCE, SUBSTANCE OR BEING (“OUSIA”)

1. The Divine Spirit transcends SPACE & TIME. The 3 Hypostases cannot be divided by Space and Time because of the attributes of TRANSCENDENCE, OMNIPRESENCE & ETERNITY. They are spirit in their divine essence.
2. Operate inseparably. Single effect of action.
3. Divine will – with absolute concord of unanimity. Impossible for the 3 to oppose each other.
4. God is always a Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Father is the sole origin of the Son. The Father & the Son - the sole origin of the Holy Spirit. The Father is not Father without the Son. The Son is not Son without the Father. The Holy Spirit is always with the Son and comes from the Father through the Son. There was no condition when the Father is not Father and the Son is not Son. No condition when the Father and the Son are without the Holy Spirit.
5. There is from eternity always 3 hypostases – not more nor less.
6. Each of the three divine persons possess all divine attributes fully, completely and absolutely.

Abuse of language (“3 Gods”) can never be allowed.

 
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CSDR, Trinity only by your own terms & understanding!!

July 7 2006, 9:59 AM 

Nothing to debate on the verses you just posted because as the Bible experts & scholars have testified, the term 'Trinity' is clearly unbiblical. One Catholic Thelogian Karl Rahner was said to be even 'embarrased by the simple fact that in REALITY the Scriptures do no explicitly prsent a doctrine of the imminent Trinity'. Simply put,the thesis you presented were merely your own personal definition & understanding of the matter, that is, you'implied & speculated' that there is Trinity, etc, when in fact there is none!

If such was the case, why don't you just take note of the following testimonies and open your eyes to realities. Let's hear it from the experts, ha CSDR?

1) Encyclopaedia Britannica (15th edition, 1974, vol. 10, p. 126, Micropaedia)

"Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema of the Old Testament: Deut. 6:4: 'Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our [Elohim] is One. Or as translated in the Tanakh: Deut. 6:4: Hear, O Israel! The Lord [Yahweh] is our God, the Lord [Yahweh] alone.

2) The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia ,
"The term 'Trinity' is not a Biblical term, and we are not using Biblical language when we define what is expressed by it...In point of fact, the doctrine of the Trinity is purely a revealed doctrine. That is to say, it embodies a truth which has never been discovered, and is in-discoverable, by natural reason" (Trinity, vol. 5, p. 3012)

3) The Encyclopaedia Britannica,
"The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies...The Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. stated the crucial
formula for that doctrine in its confession that the 'Son is of the same substance...as the Father', even though it said very little about the Holy
Spirit...By the end of the 4th century...the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since."

4) The New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, vol. 14, p. 299, "The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century... Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality of
perspective."

5)The Noveau Dictionary Universal - Edited by M. Lachatre, (1856-1870), VOL. 2, PAGE 1467:
"The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of the older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational
philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by Christian churches… This Greek philosopher's
Plato) conception of the divine trinity… can be found in all the ancient (Pagan) religions."

6) Dictionary of the Bible - by John L. McKenzie S.J., (1965), PAGE 899:
"The Trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of persons and nature which are GREEK PHILOSOPHICAL TERMS; ACTUALLY THE TERMS
DO NOT APPEAR IN THE BIBLE. The Trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and other such as essence and substance were erroneously applied to God by some theologians."

7) The Dictionary of the Bible - Edited by James Hastings (1963), PAGE 1015: TRINITY, THE: The Christian doctrine of God (q.v.) as existing in three Persons and one Substance IS NOT DEMONSTRABLE BY LOGIC OF BY SCRIPTURAL PROOFS,… The term Trias was FIRST USED BY THEOPHILUS OF ANTIOCH (c. A.D.
180),… NOT FOUND IN SCRIPTURE… The chief Trinitarian text in the New Testament is the baptismal formula in Mt. 28:19. Note: (No on was baptized in this spirit, every one in the bible was rather baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Trinitarians do not know the name of the one spirit (God). Mt. 28:19 says baptize in the NAME OF.

8) The Encyclopedia Americana - 1956, VOL. XXVII, PAGE 294L:
"Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was (and still is) strictly Unitarian (Oneness - believing that God is only one). The road which led
from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Forth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early (Originally Apostolic)
Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was on the contrary, and deviation from this teaching."

9) The Trinity, Catholic theologian Karl Rahner
confesses that theologians in the past have been ". . . embarrassed by the simple fact that IN REALITY the Scriptures DO NOT EXPLICITLY PRESENT a
doctrine of the 'imminent' TRINITY "












Encyclopaedia Britannica (15th edition, 1974, vol. 10, p. 126, Micropaedia)
"Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema of the Old Testament: Deut. 6:4: 'Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our [Elohim] is One. Or as translated in the Tanakh: Deut. 6:4: Hear, O Israel! The Lord [Yahweh] is our God, the Lord [Yahweh] alone.

The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia ,
"The term 'Trinity' is not a Biblical term, and we are not using Biblical language when we define what is expressed by it...In point of fact, the doctrine of the Trinity is purely a revealed doctrine. That is to say, it embodies a truth which has never been discovered, and is in-discoverable,
by natural reason" (Trinity, vol. 5, p. 3012)

The Encyclopaedia Britannica,
"The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies...The Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. stated the crucial
formula for that doctrine in its confession that the 'Son is of the same substance...as the Father', even though it said very little about the Holy
Spirit...By the end of the 4th century...the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since."

The New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, vol. 14, p. 299, "The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century ...Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality of perspective."

The Noveau Dictionary Universal - Edited by M. Lachatre, (1856-1870), VOL. 2, PAGE 1467: "The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of the older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by Christian churches… This Greek philosopher's Plato) conception of the divine trinity… can be found in all the ancient (Pagan) religions."

Dictionary of the Bible - by John L. McKenzie S.J., (1965), PAGE 899: "The Trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of persons and nature which are GREEK PHILOSOPHICAL TERMS; ACTUALLY THE TERMS DO NOT APPEAR IN THE BIBLE. The Trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and other such as essence and substance were erroneously applied to God by some theologians."

The Dictionary of the Bible - Edited by James Hastings (1963), PAGE 1015: TRINITY, THE: The Christian doctrine of God (q.v.) as existing in three Persons and one Substance IS NOT DEMONSTRABLE BY LOGIC OF BY SCRIPTURAL PROOFS,… The term Trias was FIRST USED BY THEOPHILUS OF ANTIOCH (c. A.D.
180),… NOT FOUND IN SCRIPTURE… The chief Trinitarian text in the New Testament is the baptismal formula in Mt. 28:19. Note: (No on was baptized in this spirit, every one in the bible was rather baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Trinitarians do not know the name of the one spirit (God). Mt. 28:19 says baptize in the NAME OF.

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia,
"The term 'Trinity' is NOT A BIBLICAL TERM, and we are not using Biblical language when we define what is expressed by it as the doctrine " (article
"Trinity," p.3012).

The Encyclopedia Americana - 1956, VOL. XXVII, PAGE 294L: "Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was (and still is) strictly Unitarian (Oneness - believing that God is only one). The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Forth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early (Originally Apostolic)
Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was on the contrary, and deviation from this teaching."


The Trinity, Catholic theologian Karl Rahner
confesses that theologians in the past have been ". . . embarrassed by the
simple fact that IN REALITY the Scriptures DO NOT EXPLICITLY PRESENT a
doctrine of the 'imminent' TRINITY "


 
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So where are the Triunist defenders ??

July 13 2006, 6:10 AM 

Eminen, Omahada, CSDR. Jason?- forget him. he's lost! Cult Buster? - never mind.

Still busy digging up their graves ?

 
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Compulsory attendance of weekly "prayer" meetings...

July 1 2006, 10:52 PM 

October 16 2002 at 5:36 PM
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Remember those weekly mini-worship services conducted by the INC when they send a deacon to each house to "pray" and read the weekly Manalo drivel? Well, they have just taken it one step further.



It seems that the INC Administration, in all its power, glory and unquestionable wisdom has came up with the brilliant idea to send a deacon to one member's house, invite everyone in the member's area to their house and question everyone who doesn't or didn't attend why they cannot attend in a humiliating and disparaging fashion. Then it's time for the latest commandments from Ka Erdie and our Kapatids at Central. No Bible needed, because the Administration knows what's best for us.



More evidence that the INC is just using members and officers to further their plan. They know that by doing this, more people will feel compulsed to hear the word of Manalo every week and will be forced to obey. The INC is cleverly using the deacons and other members unknowingly to reinforce these fraudulent teachings into other member's heads and using the traditional "love-bombing" and "guilt-bombing" techniques to stop members from leaving.

 
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That was one of my first posts here, under a different name

July 8 2006, 6:39 PM 

n/t

 
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A question for INC members...

July 2 2006, 1:31 AM 

October 16 2002 at 5:43 PM
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The name of the INC magazine is "God's Message." It is apparently written mainly by Bienvenido Santiago and Feljun Fuentes. Is Bienvenido Santiago God? Is Feljun Fuentes God? Is the INC Administration God? Doesn't God already have a message called the Bible? Explain to me how this isn't blasphemy.

 
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It is blasphemy indeed!

October 9 2006, 8:48 PM 


The INC magazine is using God's name in vain.

Manalo's men are writing the articles. Manalo's man is editing the articles. And the INC receives the monies for its sale to members.

 
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on SEPTEMBER 22, 2002

July 2 2006, 1:39 AM 

October 16 2002 at 1:29 PM
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Iglesia Ministers from many Locales stated there is a lot of immorality on the Internet so WE (INC) are invading your (members) privacy, watching what you do on and off the internet BUT its because we care and its for your own good. We do it for your own good.
Turned off more members. Lost a lot of people with that one statement. For our own good?
better mind their own damned business and stay out of our personal lives.

 
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A Mastercard Moment.

July 2 2006, 1:45 AM 

October 13 2002 at 1:06 PM
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Sunday School offering: $1.00
Adult Worship Service offering: $2.00
Weekly F-9 offering: $20.00
Holy Supper offering: $30.00
Church Anniversary Celebration offering: $100.00
End-of-the-year Church Thanksgiving offering: $200.00

Being able to declare as many occasions as necessary to garner in more money through offerings by the members: priceless.

There are other cults in this world that demand members to offer a lot. But for everyone else who are Filipino INCs/ex-Catholics, there's ......

THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO.

(Void where prohibited.)

 
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I found this post in the NewGens Forum....I am happy the NewGens are still active

July 2 2006, 1:53 AM 

September 28 2002 at 12:50 AM
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In Commemoration or the September 11, 2001. As if the INC Church Administartion even cares
September 11 2002 at 11:51 PM
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We, the NewGens would like to commemorate the victims of the 9/11 incident. From the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the rural area of Pennsylvania, from the United Airlines and American Airlines, from all affected from this terrible tradegy.

WE WILL NEVER FORGET!!!!!!!!!!!!

from behalf of the NewGens Organization, the Reformed Iglesia Ni Cristo, and to all the INC Brethren who sypathize and support our cause, We will always pray for the families and loved ones of all the victims of Sept.11...

To the INC CHurch Administration. In the Bible it says Love your fellow Man. and another verse that says love one another and help one another,
So please stop being selfish and ignorant and start acting like true christians instead of being sooo money hungry and politically boastfull about yourselves.

If it was the INC Central Temple that was hit by a hijacked Philippine Airlines, I bet you, INC Administration, would consider that worth commemorating??? am i right?? you ignorant corrupted losers!!!!!

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a Head Deacon near the WTC

Its about time someone stands up against the INC Administration !!!!
No score for this post September 11 2002, 11:57 PM

From a head deacon that stayed quiet for too long. My relative was a victim on that day. The Iglesia Ni Cristo church did not have any activity on that anniversay day today. So instead i attended a protestant church nearby because they were commemorating that day. Even though the INC forbids us to attend another religion and its activities,

I didn't give a sh-t what Central says..

I went because I felt God was with "them"

My locale didnt even care!!!!!!!!

Sad, Im a head deacon, and I had to speak out like this

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I join in your thoughts...I was also a former
No score for this post September 13 2002, 2:59 PM

INC memeber and a head deacon and volunteer preacher. I spent almost 30 years of my life in this church and at one time believed it to be true. But there just like all the other churches which claim tha same thing and they are "FALSE." I have lost faith in faith, but I'm a deist. The INC lives on deception and not the truth as I have found out. Yet, they believe in their own deceptions and I feel sorry for them as I do with other religions. Their Felix Y. Manalo is no more a messenger than the Man in the Moon....it is all false.


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Include my prayers
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Yes, indeed, God was with those who perished, with those who were hurt and those who have lost their loved ones at the Sep. 11, 2001 disaster.

My prayer goes out to them and to everyone.

Peace.

 
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The INC is a big business of the Manalo family.

July 2 2006, 2:03 AM 

September 13 2002 at 9:24 PM
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INC is not a religion. It is a business in the appearance of a religion. It talks of your souls, salvation and the bible etcetera etcetera only to get money, to make you dig deep in your pockets for more money. It is also characterized with its "opportunista" attitude. Why? They vote one because they preach a unity doctrine that is not true in the way they interpret it. They have no political inclinations they say. The truth is they make the people vote only to advance the interest of making their business grow and that of their friends ( rich iglesia friends, of course, like Cuevas and co. ) They make the people, their followers, blockheads or dumb because they do not have to think and decide for themselves who they think is the best person fitted for the position. Instead of teaching them what kind of persons to vote without naming names, the INC leadership makes use of the false doctrine of one vote or unity especially in political elections to vote people who could give more fat projects and better positions in the government or to vote for people who are friendly with them because this people have given them opportunity to do whatever before. The leadrship ordered their members to vote for Marcos and the likes of Estrada. Marcos who looted the country of billions and Estrada who is an actor but for politics, no brains. They voted Estrada because they can use him to advance their false religion and make more money by getting fat projects for themselves and their friends.
Am I not right? please, tell me.


 
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Iglesia ni Cristo is a counterfeit church of Christ.

July 2 2006, 2:14 AM 

July 27 2002 at 11:02 PM


It is like a fake $100 bill.
The real $100 bill is issued by the U.S. government.
The fake ones are made by counterfeiters.

Christ founded his church in about 30 AD. with Peter as the first pope. The current pope is John Paul II. It has grown to 1.1 billion members today.
See: www.iglesianicristo.us.

Jesus promised: the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Felix Manalo founded in 1914 a counterfeit church of Christ. He used the title of Jesus without authority from Jesus. He used the name Iglesia ni Cristo as proof that it was sanctioned by Jesus.
But the truth is Iglesia ni Cristo is a counterfeit church of Christ.

The doctrines of INC are false doctrines from the false prophet Felix Manalo. And that is the truth!

Vaya con Dios.



    
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To the Brainless Thugs of Felix - A response to the threat of an INC fanatic

July 3 2006, 6:38 AM 

This piece is dedicated to an INC fanatic whose posting name is Apocalypse


Originally posted in:
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Apocalypse's warning:

I feel sorry for you brother. You can't hide with that nom de plume just to express your inner feeling.

I will be in best guise in front of you if you will stop name-calling*. Further to your statement the forum moderator should pay an utmost attention to serve early warning advice to everyone to avoid the same. FAILURE TO DO SO WILL MEAN THAT THE FORUM MODERATOR WILL NO LONGER EXIST AND THIS FORUM LOSSES ITS TRACK AND ACTION AGAINS THIS HUMBLE FORUM WILL MEAN AN EXTRA IMPLICATION.(emphasis mine)


*He accused me of name calling without basis because he lost his ground.

Reply:

We are glad to hear your confession that by exposing Iglesia we are causing incalculable damage to it. This is an admission that Iglesia is not a religion from God. How else can a few individuals with only their pen cause incalculable damage to the religion of God? Why the apologists of this religion are not able to silence us with logical arguments? Intimidations, rioting, and causing havoc do not prove that Iglesia is a true religion but rather they prove that cultists are savages. More The incalculable damage to Iglesia is not caused by a few detractors but by the conduct of the members.

We are not lying about Iglesia. We are unveiling its truth. We are teaching the real Iglesia. If Iglesia is ugly and abhorrent, we are not responsible. Time has come that this veil be lifted and truth be seen. If what you see is disgusting, don't break the mirror.

Felix was a pervert. He deceived many gullible Christians from his early ministry. He took advantage of his position to satisfy his sexual appetite. This is what is reported in the history written by no less than the Court of Appeals. We are not making these things up. We are just putting these facts on the Internet for the world to see.

The truth itself does not bother you but if someone talks about it you want to silence him?

What kind of religion is this Iglesia when their deceived members that is offended by the writings (let us say insults) of a few individuals to the extent that they have to threaten them? Isn't that stupid? Now you want to silence us to defend this wicked and helpless Administration, but this miserable thing does not know where we live to help you. What does your Admin can do? Apart from deceiving fools like you to threaten, riot and become fanatics, what else can they do? "Shut up or my brainless followers will kill you", is not a logical the answer.

All this proves that Felix is not of God. His prophethood was the pigment of his imagination. It was a tool of domination for him to make stupid people like you intimidate others, to make your cult powerful.

How much stupidity is enough?

Felix is for sure not of God. If his god really exists, he is Satan. Everything Felix did and said was satanic and everything his brainless followers do is his reflection.

It is time that all those good people who by error think they are members leave this damn cult and join the fold of humanity. Don't be his follower. Don't be a fool. Leave Iglesia and join the rest of mankind in amity. No one hates you as human being. This hate is brought by Cult of Manalo. It is you who hate others. Leave this cult of hate and terror and reclaim your humanity.

To the Cult of Manalo victims at large:

As an INCM you are not a full human. A prerequisite of being human is having humanness in our heart, i.e. the love of humanity. As an Iglesia you can't do that because you are required to hate other faiths. So as long as you believe in INCM you are not a full human. This is the truth. IF THIS OFFENDS YOU BE OFFENDED. I am slapping you so you come out of your coma and wake up from this deadly dream. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't believe in a cult of hate and murder and count yourself among us humans. You follow an evil man and therefor you are evil. As long as you believe in the hatemongering teachings of felix you are not a human. Read my lips. You can't be a human and hate humanity.

Leave that cult and join mankind. We are all brothers and sisters to each other. Don't follow demonic men like Hitler and felix who tried to divide us with hate. No real God would want us to hate each other. No real God is so desperate that if someone does not bow in front of him he will be offended. This is stupid. Felix did not know God. His god was petty like his limited imagination. He was a stupid man and so is his god. His god is his alter-ego. He is like another alias that kids create on the Internet forums that comes to their assistance and approves whatever they say.

How can you let yourself be fooled by a psychopath? You are fooled. That is all there is to it. It is all a big lie. You better face this truth and wake up now. Iglesia belongs to these criminals who issue death threats. If there is a shred of humanity left in you, leave that cult now. You can keep you head in the sand and pretend not to listen But this truth is becoming wide spread and everyone is learning the truth about Cult of Manalo. The rest of the word start seeing you as zombies. They see INCMs as bigots, stupid brain-dead fanatical creatures. Don't you feel embarrassed? Don't you have enough dignity to feel embarrassed?

Do you really want to belong to this this stupid cult? Cultists riot and act with savagery demanding respect(Remember Ross Tipon's case?). Do you think the people will respect them after seeing their savagery? If these does not apply to you, if you do not belong to these goons and are embarrassed of what they do, leave Iglesia ni Manalo now. If you have dignity, if you value your humanity, leave Iglesia ni manalo now. Iglesia is for fools and if you are not a fool leave this stupid lie now.

Cult of Manalo is a disgusting name. You are created noble and noble means free. God wants you to be free not a slave. God does not need slaves. It was Felix who needed them. He invented this cult for the fools and said obey his god and his messenger. Don't fall into the trap of that narcissist fiend. Leave his cult. Humanity is waiting to embrace you with open arms.

Shame on you for believing and following such an an evil man. No other cult is as stupid as Manalo's. How can you live with this much disgrace is beyond me. How can your children raise their heads in school now that the stupidity of Iglesia ni Manalo has become known to everyone?



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July 12 2006, 7:24 AM 

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April 5 2006 at 1:53 AM


Wow! The spirit of the Great Cult of Manalo! How will you do that? The Administration once more will employ the thugs and private armies in the midst of erano? Like your admin have been doing throughout the history of that cult to your dissident apostates like me? Look at yourself! Where are your logical arguments? I have thrown many facts about your cult but where are your answers? You can't do that and all you can do is issue a threat. Suppose you succeed in closing this forum, killing me , the forum owner/moderator and other detractors and dissidents that your administration have silenced during these 90 years of your reign of terror. Do you think you can extinguish the light of the truth? Do you think this movement hinges on me, this forum or any single person? If you really think so you are a fool. There are thousands upon thousands of people who have risen to slay this beast with logical arguments, historical and biblical proofs. Compared to many of them, I don't even count. I am a soldier in this army - a lowly foot soldier. Do you think this army will stop if a soldier falls? This movement is independent of me and this forum. The sun of truth is rising. I am no more than a rooster announcing the break of the dawn. Do you think that by killing me you will prevent the rise of the sun? You must be a fool if you think so.

Nonetheless, the movement will continue with or without me and this forum. Soon it will grow exponentially and your administration will be helpless. Today there may be about thousands of unique visitors visiting this forum and 84590 forum every month. In a matter of a few short years this number will grow more. It will grow and it will shed its light on all mankind. All that will be done without me. This long and dark night is over. The sun of truth has risen. Neither blowing at it nor threatening the roosters will delay its rise.

We are the hands of God not an evil assassin like you. And remember the whole world of enlightened apostates spit at YOU and the entire crook clan of Manalo.

 
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Will the Internet Slay the UGLY and DIRTY Cult of Manalo?

July 3 2006, 6:48 AM 

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April 3 2006 at 9:10 PM

"The truth about Felix Manalo has been one of the world's best-kept secrets. For decades it has been virtually impossible to raise objections about the character of Felix Manalo in the Philippines, for anyone who raised such objections would (following the example set by Felix himself) immediately be rebuked, humiliated, threatened, intimidated. and excommunicated or even killed. Outside the Iglesia world, there has been little interest in this cult. But things have changed. Now many people are curious of this cult and members aren't able to silence everyone. Moreover, with the rise of the Internet, it is now impossible to keep Felix's life a secret. The facts about the founder of Iglesia are spreading very rapidly, and members are frantically scurrying to defend their faith. But the information superhighway is paving over the ignorance that has for decades been the stronghold of cultic dogma. In the end, this cult will fall, for the entire structure is built upon the belief that Felix Manalo was the last prophet of God in history, and this belief is demonstrably FALSE.

Yes, the Internet is important in this struggle, but it is at least as important for informing non-Iglesia about the true nature of this cult as enlightening members, many of whom will be mentally immune to criticism of Iglesia. Some of them, however, can be reached. There are approximately six million nominal members in the world. How many of these are secret ex-Iglesia? Many has estimated that 20% - 30% of the members in the Philippines are actually apostates. Although only a growing minority of members around the world have access to the Internet, simple mathematics indicate that there are already hundreds of thousands of ex-Iglesia in cyberspace. This, as well as additional millions of members who already have at least some doubts, is the soft underbelly of this cult.

We're now stuck in a race against time, and members know it. That's why they are working so hard to shut down freedom of speech and any gmockeryh or rational criticism targeting Iglesia everywhere. Will Iglesia totaly take away freedom of speech in the Philippines before we spread the truth underneath this cult's feet? Every time they threaten us with litigations, we should respond by increasing the volume of criticism of Iglesia in circulation on the Internet. Some would claim that this isn't our fight. We are no longer just fighting against Iglesia ni Manalo but for our own freedom of speech, and thus democracy itself. Maybe we cannot slay this dragon, but we can certainly help the people who can.

Felix and his thugs went to great lengths already in the early days of his cult to shut up critics. We know the punishment fo leaving or even criticizing Iglesia, a fact which has largely kept organized groups of ex-Iglesia from forming. Until now. With a significant Iglesia presence in the Philippines, we see elements of such groups forming for the first time in history. Secret ex-Iglesias around the world are quietly watching these developments.

Some are stepping forward."

 
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Thanks for compiling these

July 3 2006, 7:53 AM 

posts.

 
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If you are an INM and still an INM after reading this post, then you are a FOOL

July 4 2006, 3:17 AM 

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April 6 2006 at 6:47 PM

The UGLY and DIRTY Cult of Manalo is evil. It preaches hate, bigotry, deception and terror. It is not FAITH that we are fighting against. It is HATE that we are fighting against. Iglesia is a cult of hate created by a psychopath and that is why it is abhorrent and dangerous.

Felix Manalo was a pathological narcissist and now few millions of people who follow him shows symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder. This is the danger. It is the narcissism of member victims that makes their lives a living hell and the Philippines a chaotic place, not the lies that they believe.

Jesus, as portrayed in the Bible, is the paragon of goodness. Felix, as portrayed by his victim followers, was truly a demonic personage. There is no comparison between Jesus and Felix. It is like comparing apple and dog poop. If you believe in the true Christianity and follow it, you can become a holy person. If you believe in the lies of Felix and follow it, you'll become a monster.

As narcissists, Iglesia are paranoid, have victim mentalities, feel humiliated, have explosive personalities, are vengeful, lack empathy, are oblivious of the pain that they cause to others, lack conscience, consider themselves and their religion superior to others, demand preferential treatments while they deny the basic human rights of others, are scornful and abusive of others but expect respect and undeserving recognition. They lack self- esteem but are most concerned about their image. It is not that they love themselves, in fact they don't, they are ashamed of themselves but they are in love with their own reflections. What matters to them most is not how they are and how they feel inside but how others see them. The image is more important than true self. Their world is in shambles but they are most concerned to protect the image of their cult. It's all about keeping the appearances. It's obvious in their shows in Channel 25 "Poison Your Mind". When their religion is defied and the asininity of their belief becomes manifest; members display supercilious imperturbability and nonchalantly claim, gtheir faith is strengthenedh. Although deeply hurt, they remain unimpressed and cold. This is a typical narcissistic response. Narcissists try to hide their vulnerability and their anger by feigning insouciance, aloofness and remain disimpassioned when criticized and humiliated and when an outburst of violence is not an option. I have receive countless emails from iglesia member victims who "thank me for making their faith in their cult grow".

Iglesia do not value personal integrity and do not respect faith of other people.

Members have a grandiose sense of self-importance and expect to be recognized as superior religion. They are envious of others and believe that others are envious of them. They are arrogant and show haughty behaviors and attitudes. They suffer from a chronic lack of confidence and are fundamentally dissatisfied, but mask this with violence and a ruthless explosive personality, victimizing often those who are most vulnerable and can't retaliate, especially those Catholics uninformed of their Catholic apologetics. They can victimize everyone by converting and enjoy the sensation of power and ego that this gives them. They seek respect and importance by instilling fear and loud mouthing. Their brazen and reckless behavior covers up for a depressive, anxious interior. Their souls are barren landscapes of misery and fears. You may find individual Iglesia cultist who do not fall into this mold. But we are talking about general traits and not exceptions.

Iglesia cultists are walking scar tissues. They collectively suffer from narcissistic personality disorder because they have entered into Felix's psychotic bubble universe, think like him and behave like him. The more they emulate their role model and are influenced by his psychotic mind, the more pathological they become. Living with one narcissist is like living in hell. Imagine having to share this country(Philippines) with few million of them. However, since the narcissistic personality disorder of Iglesia is a reflection of Felix's psychosis, once they leave the cult and are no more influenced by its nefarious effect, they can recover, albeit it requires effort and self-awareness. Likewise, those who convert to Iglesia, and to the extent that they follow Felix, acquire his disorder, become narcissists and even dangerous.


 
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Making Cultists Angry - A response to a deluded fanatic

July 5 2006, 2:42 AM 

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June 20 2006 at 4:34 AM

I am aware that with my writings I anger many cultists of felix and have made a lot of enemies. Making enemies is not my intention; it is just an inevitable consequence. But making them angry is my intention. Here is one angry email from a cultist without any alteration..

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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:10:14 -0800 (PST)
From:"JSSSS KUUUU" <dick56t@yahoo.com>
Subject:CHALLENGE

ASS BUSTERRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IM SICK AND TIRED OF YOU
YOU WANT SOMEONE TO REFUTE YOUR LIES??

I WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I READ YOUR POSTS!!!

Kill Youuuu????????


Dumb morons????


DESTROY U??????


DISGRACEFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!


Me and u
in a debate

I CHALLENGE U and it'll b my rules....................

IM NOT COMING TO YOUR BIGOT FORUM AND B GANG BANGED BY MANY PEOPLE

IT'LL BE BY EMAIL

AGREED???

AND DONT DARE COPY AND PASTE AND SEND ME THOSE CHARGES u made
IF U AGREE ILL MAKE THE RULES

(oh yea
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One may think this is just the ranting of a nutcase. But in reality the author of this email is an "educated". He sent me his scholarly rebuttal and I invite him to post it in the forum so others can become enlightened. We don't know his real name, so let us call him by his chosen penname, JSSSSSS KUUUUUU(JSKU for short).

After sending the above angry email, Mr. JSKU wrote again and apologized for his rude email. Apology accepted. But you may ask why I want to make cultists angry. Isn't that insane?

Of course I don't enjoy to psychologically torture people and make them angry. But unfortunately this is the only way to make cultists react. Consider it a "shock-therapy". When your heart stops working and your body does not respond - when you are clinically dead - the doctor may apply high voltage electricity on your chest to bring you back to life. This must hurt but this is the only way to bring you back to life.

I have been talking to cultists for over few years now, but I find them intellectually dead. There is no response. Their brain has stopped working. They need shock therapy. How do you apply shock therapy on intellectually dead patients? You subject them to high voltage doses of truth, bluntly and abruptly. This will bring them back to life momentarily. It hurts them and you get some vital response in their dead brain cells. They write to you angry letters, they curse you and they grind their teeth together and want to hang you. But that is okay. As long as they can't touch you, it is okay that they become angry. This does not guarantee that they will come back to life, many of them have passed that stage and it would take a miracle to bring them back to life intellectually. Oliver Wendell Holmes said: "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."

But some of them do react and the brain starts functioning again, even though faultily. But that is okay. As long as there is response, there is hope.

JSKU is one of those patients whose brain started working again. It produced nothing but gibberish but it produced something and that is a positive thing. Something is better than nothing. It shows that the brain is still alive. It however needs a lot of fine tuning to function properly.

JSKU wrote a long rebuttal that I am not going answer. Whatever he said has already been answered several times. He can post it in the forum of the site and engage in debate with the friends there. But I will answer to his last statement:

He wrote:
"No one can doubt that INC has had a violent history and is not perfect, but again what is. All we INC Christians want is to coexist with our neighbors, our friends, our countrymen. We are not here to wage war. All we want is equal opportunity. If we can work together and try to solve our issues like Human beings we can live in harmony. I have never done anything rude or improper to a non INC and I'm sure that if you met me on the street we would be lifelong friends. But then my religion comes into play and I am merely a cultist following a "cult leader". As the great Martin Luther King Junior said, "judge by the content of ones soul". This is all I have to say. I have no animosity against anyone. The following rebuttal is written by me and its fury is directed to a hatefilled man who wants nothing more than rapid hate and bigotry. Am I the only one who thinks that eradicating a faith of over 10-20 million people and ignoring respect is unjust and cruel? The Following words are all mines and not Copy and Paste. May God Bless you all."


We are not talking about the violent history of INC. All nations and religions have violent histories. Some of those histories are more violent than others. But we are not concerned about the history of INC and what you cultists did. We are discussing INC itself, we are talking about Felix, what he did and what he preached. Felix lived a very ignoble life. He lived an avaricious life and he taught nothing but hate and bigotry. The violent history of INC is a reflection of what Felix taught and the examples he left.

Furthermore we are not concerned about the past. All the people have done something bad in the past. Past is past; let bygone be gone. We are concerned about the present. Today, everyday, your cultist brothers are deceiving, threatening innocent humans in the name of your savage deity Satan and under the influence of the teachings of your thuggish prophet. This is what concerns us. I am not talking about those who are dead. I am talking about those who are alive and are in danger of being deceived and plundered by your Administration.

You say(you sound like Mon): gAll we INC Christians want is to coexist with our neighbors, our friends, our countrymen. We are not here to wage war. All we want is equal opportunity. If we can work together and try to solve our issues like Human beings we can in harmony."

Ahhh! How sweet! How can one not love these loving people? Isn't this what all of us want? Peace, coexistence, equal opportunity, work together and solve our issues like Human beings and live in harmony?c How can one argue with this much logic? I am truly moved. cIf this is what you really want, you are my friend. That is what we all want.

But is that true? Is this really what you want? Are you telling the truth or are you lying and using cultic deceit to fool us and make us accept you as friends so you can stab us from behind? Which one is it JSKU?

Aren't you the one who wanted to smash my head and destroy me because I am exercising my right to free speech? Don't you agree that as a human being it is my right to say whatever I want to say and criticize any ideology or belief that I like to criticize? This is how you want to co-exist with the rest of us?

You don't know how to co-exist. The only way you know is to smash heads, to destroy, to subdue and to dominate. You can't fool me Mr.JSKU. I read you like an open book.

You say that if I meet you I would become your lifelong friend. That could be true; You cultists are just like other people. They are humans and I get along with all humans. But I suppose your friendship does not come without a catch. The catch is that I shut up and stop criticizing INC. Otherwise, you would probably make good on your threat and would smash my head and destroy me.

It is not difficult to see where this much hatred come from. It is enough to analyze the teachings of felix and we come across hundreds of teachings calling upon the cultists to hate the unbelievers and be harsh with them.

This hatred is not just against the Catholics. The Catholics of course top the list. All unbelievers is hated and despised by INC. According to INC all disbelievers will be burned in hellfire and hatred against them is ordained by Felix.

It is a mistake to believe that by befriending cultists and showing them kindness they will soften and will put aside their enmity. Their hatred has religious dimensions. As long as cultist believe in INC they will hate those who do not. It is just foolish to believe INC can be reformed and cultists can change.

We have two options. We either continue appeasing the cultists and try to win them as friends (which will not happen because Felix told them we are domains of Satan) while they continue to deceive more people, or we take INC out of the cultists.

Appeasement does not work. Winston Churchill said, "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."

Our only option is decultization of these miserable cultists. This disease must be eliminated so the sick can recover. Everyday we loiter, more innocent will be deceived and the prospect of political prostitution of Erano looms greater.

You JSKU, the self proclaimed "defender" of INC, as long as you are a cultist you are a peril to my life and to all non-INCs. When you say you want to coexist as a good neighbor, you lie. When you say you are looking for equal opportunities, you lie. You want to promote INC. You want to dominate our lives. You can't smash my head and therefore you are resorting to the other cultic tactic, which is deception. This is something we can't accept. We must take INC out of you. I have escaped from INC. I am here a refugee. This is my sanctuary. This is my sweet home where I am free. I will defend this freedom from cultic invasion. I will not let you win this battle through deceit. I will urge everyone to fight your bigotry, deception and hatred with mighty truth.

As long as you are a cultist, you are not to be trusted. As a cultist your allegiance is to INC corrupt administration. You are fifth column amongst us.

Tell us Mr. JSKU, do you subscribe to Felix's evil teachings or you don't? You can't be our friend and call us as doomed to hell. You can be our friend only if you denounce these evil teachings.

I am living in a country were people are free to believe in any religion they like or even have no religion at all. I am only vacationing here in the Philippines. There is no brainwashing. Books are free and criticisms are also free. This is how I like it and I want to keep it this way. You are cultist and you want to impose your cult on the rest of us. This is what your psychopath cult leader told you and you brain-dead zombies are unable to question the stupidity of that notion. You believe whatever that evil monster said and you are genuinely incapable to ask yourselves if he was indeed a prophet of God why raped Rosita T? Why he deceived innocent people? Why he plundered? These are not divine deeds. How can a messenger of God commit these crimes? In what ways he was different from a gangster? You are unable to ask these simple questions, because your brains have stopped working the day you put you allegiance to the Cult of Manalo.

You can't see Felix was evil. You follow his example and do evil because you have lost the notion of right and wrong. All humans, irrespective of their religions can distinguish between right and wrong. You cultists can't. You are the only people, next to the Satanists and the Creativity Movement (the skin heads) who mock the Golden Rule. You have stopped thinking like humans, stopped feeling like humans and now you are a bunch of zombies. You are the Borg of the real life. We can't afford having brainless murderers among us. You have a choice, we don't. You must either prove that Felix was a prophet of God or leave that monster. You can't prove that he was a messenger of God because his words and his deeds disqualify him. So you either must leave INC or go to hell. Go to the hell from which you came and leave us alone. Leave our children alone, leave our freedom alone. We don't want you. We don't want your religion. We want our democracy and we are not going to submit to your psychopath cult leader and your stupid way of life.

You wrote: "Am I the only one who thinks that eradicating a faith of over 10 million people is unjust and cruel?"

The faith of 10-20 million people is just a faith. It is a belief system. If that belief system is wrong, it is wrong. It makes no difference whether one person believe in a false cult of a 20 million. We have to educate those millions of people and help them see the truth. What is cruel in telling the truth and fighting falsehood? It would be cruel to let these faith-blinded people walk into the precipice that is in front of them and get killed. The road you have taken is going to take this world to its destruction. I want to bring sense to your dead brains before you commit the ultimate stupidity.

Your damned God is Satan. He is not going to help you. Felix lied to you. You are not going to be victorious. You will all die. Why canft you see that Felix lied to you? He fooled you. He used you to wage bigotry for him, make him the wealthy, and bring him praise. He needed respect, power and domination. He was motivated by the same things that motivates other cult leaders like Charles Manson, David Koresh or Jim Jones. How much foolishness is enough Sir?

I repeat, I am not your enemy. I am the best friend you brainless people have ever had. A friend is one who tells the truth. All those who praised Felix lied to you. They are/were not your friends. They were either fools and ignorant of INC . I tell the truth and I don't want anything from you. All I want is to save your wretched lives and bring you out of your misery even though you want to smash my head and destroy me.

 
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Talagang mga desipulos ni Manalo ay ipaglalaban ang aral ni Manalo

July 5 2006, 7:20 PM 


kahit pumatay ng tao.

Sa diablo nga ang kultong ito na kahit lumabag sa batas ay susundin si Manalo.

 
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"And Other Sheep I have": another prophecy stolen by the INC

July 9 2006, 10:35 PM 

October 13 2001 at 12:43 PM
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John 10:16:

"And other sheep I have which are not on this fold, them I must also bring, and they will hear my voice and there shall be one fold and one shepherd"

The INC has been claiming this but these question will negate such claim and prove that the INC is lying.

"And other sheep I have"....at that time when Christ spoke these words, his other sheep were already in existence. Chris did not say "and other sheep I will have"? You see the deception of the INC bibli twisting here?

"them also I must bring". Christ himself will bring his other sheep. He did not say that he will appoint someone to bring his other sheep. Very simple and easy to understand. How easy to detect the INC's pervertion of Christ verse. Me sinabi ba si Kristo na me kakasangkapanin siya? Wala po. Si Kristo mismo ang magdadala nang kanyang other sheep.

"And they will hear my voice". His other sheep will hear Christ' voice, not someone's else voice. And whose voices did the members of the INC heard or have been hearing? The voices of Felix Manalo and his ministers then. As of now, the members have been hearing the voices of Erdie Manalo and his ministers. Christ statement is simple. His other sheep will hear his voice. You can see how the INC perverts Christ voice? Indeed, thats not hard to understand.

 
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THE TRUE FRUITS TO BEAR COMMANDED BY LORD JESUS CHRIST

July 9 2006, 10:37 PM 

August 8 2001 at 4:04 PM
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The Iglesia Ni Cristo cult has been teaching the wrong doctrine that the fruits to bear are people converts. Because of this, the Iglesia leader has imposed on all members the heavy burden or obligation to invite people to their churches for the purpose of converting them to become Iglesia members. Is it really that people converts are the fruits commanded by Lord Jesus Christ for us to bear? First, let us read the teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ regarding fruit bearing:

"You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you." -John 15:16 NKJV

THE IMPORTANT MATTER to know here is that it is JESUS CHRIST (Not Manalo or Church of Christ)who chooses and appoints those who will bear fruits. Absolutely, there is no representative of Christ or any intermediary such as the Iglesia who can issue the command to bear fruit.

Let's know more about this command to bear fruit:

"I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you... If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love." -John 15:1-7,10 NKJV

NOW WE HAVE KNOWN more about the concept of fruit bearing. It is compared to a vine with branches. That vine is true vine (not FALSE)and that vine is JESUS CHRIST (not Church of Christ). Jesus says "Abide in Me" three times to underscore the importance of abiding in Jesus Christ (not any other person). Second requirement is that Christ will abide with the branch. It is not only one sided but two sided deal. This second requirement is fulfilled by keeping the commandments of Christ (Again, NOT the commands of Manalo).

The above concept alone debunks the teaching of the Iglesia Ni Cristo. Firstly, it concerns about the true vine which is Jesus Christ while the Iglesia is a false vine called Church of Christ. Secondly, the true vine is being taken cared by God while in the Iglesia it is Manalo who takes care of it. Thirdly, the branches of the true vine abides with Jesus Christ whereas in the Iglesia the branches or members abide with the Church of Christ. Fourthly, Jesus Christ abides with the branches because the branches keep the commandments of Christ whereas in the Iglesia, Christ will not abide with them because they do not belong to the true vine--they belong to the Church of Christ vine. Furthermore, the Iglesia do not follow or keep the commands of Christ (they follow the commands of Manalo).

HOW MANY TYPES OF FRUITS ARE THERE?

"Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit." Matt. 7:15-18 NKJV

ACCORDING to the verses, there are two types of fruits: Good fruit and Bad fruit. Of course, good fruit comes from a good tree while bad fruit comes from a bad tree. One interesting teaching of Lord Jesus Christ is that we can recognize the false prophets (false religions) through their fruits. Apparently, these false prophets have disguised themselves as true prophets because they are in sheep's clothing. These false prophets are really ravenous wolves (if we take out their disguises) out to catch and devour the sheeps.

The Iglesia Ni Cristo has a unique Manalo version regarding the "sheep's clothing". They say sheep's clothing is the clothing of Jesus Christ which is a long robe. Because of this, they point to the Catholic priests and Protestant pastors as the false prophets because they wear long robes(poor priests and pastors). Manalo who was a former Seventh Day Adventist had not gotten rid of his SDA anti-catholic skin. If Manalo only knows or sees what he reads, he will not accuse the priests and pastors as the false prophets. Why? Because what is written in the Bible is "sheep's clothing" NOT "Sheep's clothing"! That alone will dispel that it is not Jesus Christ's clothing that the false prophets are wearing. Besides, during the time of Christ, men wear long robes.

The false prophets or ravenous wolves although wearing disguises, can recognized or identified through their bad fruits. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit no matter how perfect is its disguise. One proof why the Iglesia Ni Cristo is a bad tree is because it has a bad fruit. What is the bad fruit of the Iglesia? THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO DOES NOT WANT TO GIVE A DETAILED REPORT TO MEMBERS WHERE THE MONIES IT COLLECTS WENT INCLUDING THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS PAID TO THE MANALOS. Another bad fruit: THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO PROHIBITS MEMBERS FROM DEDUCTING THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS OR OFFERINGS TO THE CHURCH IN MEMBERS' PERSONAL INCOME TAX RETURNS.

ANOTHER WAY OF DISTINGUISHING A BAD TREE OR BAD RELIGION:

Besides the fruits that it bear, there is also another way of distinguishing a bad tree or bad religion. What is it? Let's read the teaching of Jesus Christ:

"But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." -Matt. 13:23 NKJV

ACCORDING to the verse, we can determine those who received the seed on the good ground (good religion) because they hear the word and understand the word. Conversely, if the religion can hear the word but could not understand it, that religion is bad. Proof that the Iglesia Ni Cristo did not understand the word of God: IN ACTS 4:10-12, THE NAME GIVEN BY GOD FOR SALVATION IS JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH. HOWEVER, THE IGLESIA IS TEACHING THAT THE NAME FOR SALVATION IS THE CHURCH OF CHRIST. Here we know that the Iglesia did not understand the word of God. If they can not understand the word of God, they are bad tree or bad religion.

WHAT ARE THESE FRUITS TO BEAR?

Let's go now to the real fruits that we should bear. Is it people convert fruit or is it something else? Let's read the teaching of Jesus Christ:

"A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of his evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks." Luke 6:45 NKJV

ACCORDING to the verse, it is the heart that bears fruit. An evil heart bears evil fruit while a good heart bears good fruit. Therefore, the fruit commanded by Christ is not people convert fruit BUT fruit of the heart. How did Apostle Paul call this fruit of the heart?

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law." -Gal. 5:22-23 NKJV

"For you were once darkness, but now you are light (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), finding out what is acceptable to the Lord." -Eph. 5:8-9 NKJV

SINCE FRUITS ARE OF TWO KINDS (GOOD AND BAD), the good fruit is sometimes referred to as fruit of the Spirit while the bad fruit is sometimes referred to as fruit of the flesh. THEREFORE, the good fruit or fruit of the Spirit are what we should bear. THEY ARE:

LOVE JOY PEACE LONG SUFFERING KINDNESS GOODNESS FAITHFULNESS GENTLENESS SELF-CONTROL RIGHTEOUSNESS TRUTH.

Apostle Peter has ranked the fruits of the Spirit in the following order:

1. LOVE
2. BROTHERLY KINDNESS
3. GODLINESS
4. PERSEVERANCE
5. KNOWLEDGE
6. SELF-CONTROL
7. VIRTUE
8. FAITH
9. DILIGENCE

IT SHOULD BE NOTED that both apostles rank LOVE as number one. We should remember that these nine or so fruits constitute only the major divisions. Under each major divisions are minor subdivisions. Therefore, the fruits we can bear may run to hundreds even thousands. Is it true that these enumerated attributes are fruits? Let's read the Apostle Peter's writings:

"But also for this reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ." 2 Pet. 1:5-8 NKJV

THEREFORE, if the enumerated attributes are in us and abound, we will be not barren or unfruitful in our knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. IN OTHER WORDS, we had born fruits when we had abided with the words of Jesus Christ and He abided with us when we had kept His words upon exhibiting these things enumerated.
NOTE: In other verses, these fruits of the Spirit are also called "Fruits of Righteousness" (2 Cor. 9:10; Phil. 1:11).


 
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Francisco, here some info...

July 9 2006, 10:42 PM 

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Book: Iglesia Ni Cristo: A Study in Independent church Dynamics, by Dr. Arthur L. Tuggy, pages 31,32&33.

Dr Tuggy was able to interview the main man of SDA at that time and the one that converted FYM. This was Elder L.V. Finster and at the time of the interview he was still alive and well at 100 years old. He said FYM joined the SDA in 1912
and had heard about FYM's reputation as a preacher then and prepared himself for the meeting. FYM was impressed by how he answered all his questions and joined the SDA. After awhile, Elder Finster had to go back to the USA and a Mr E.M. Adams was put in charge and FYM had a hard time in getting along with him anothers words--they butted heads. Mr Manalo had a respectable position in the SDA but he was never ordained, but became a worker of the church. By the way, the first ordained minister in the Philippines for the SDA was in the year 1916.

E.M. Adams stated that FYM was twice disciplined as a SDA:

1. Suspended for elopement
2. Moral indiscretion

After this he became the SDA worst nightmare---sort of speak.

The idea of starting his own church was already on his mind according to his wife before he left the SDA. The final break came in July of 1913. For awhile he joined the atheist and freethinkers
but didn't stay long and thats when he started with the INK.

Dr. Tuggy put it this way, " the answer then was to start NEW CHURCH,...ONE OF WHICH HE, NOT A FOREIGNER, WAS THE LEADER."

TAKE CARE


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discrimination towards iglesia!!!!

July 9 2006, 10:49 PM 

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well im only 13 but today i was curious of what iglesia had on the web so i searched and what i found was really mean .... i really do believe in our church but what the catholics are saying about us does really hurt because they try to find holes in our church so they can make it sound that were just making all of what is in the bible not true!!!! im wondering why they want to prove that were wrong!!!! is it so that more of the population who are iglesia would turn into catholics?? i have nothing against catholics but theyre pushing it!!! =(

 
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BAG OF TRICKS BY THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO IN LURING PEOPLE , PART I

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1. CORNER THE PROSPECT TRICK -

THEORY:

The INC minister well trained and well versed in luring people into membership in the Iglesia Ni Cristo does a good job of prepping his listeners. First, he will summon everyone to stand and do a pre-sermon prayer. Then, he will thank all those invited for giving their time to listen and join in the study of the bible. Step by step, the minister will build up his master piece about a certain impending catastrophy. By precise reading of bible verses left, right, and south, as if firing salvos near the listeners, in a well orchestrated fashion to push the bespectacled visitors to a north dead end. Upon reaching the dead end, the listeners are left at the mercy of the minister, who offers them coupe de grace escape---become a member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo.

APPLICATION -

First Step - Read Romans 5:12 NKJV

"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned--"

MINISTER: "Friends, as we have heard, ALL HAVE SINNED. When the bible says "all", it means all people." (The minister may inject humor to gain the confidence of the listeners). "Is there anyone in this room who is not a people? Maybe, dogs, cats, or Martians? Since nobody raise a hand, then we all agree that we are all people and that we all have sinned."

The minister will next ask: "Friends, is there a consequence if we sin? Some people might say, "So what if I sin!" Does the bible teach us the consequences for sinning?"

Second Step - Read Romans 6:23 NKJV

"For the wages of sin is death.."

MINISTER: "As we have heard, the wages or payment for sinning is death. Now, is this the ordinary death when someone stopped breathing permanently? Which death is this?

Third Step - Read Revelation 20:14 NKJV

"Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

MINISTER: Friends, as we have heard, it is the second death in the lake of fire. Have you seen a fire? How about a lake, have you seen a lake? How about a lake of fire, have you seen one? Imagine friends how dreadful to be thrown into a lake of fire. But that is the judgment of God to all who sin. Since everybody has sinned, excepting of course our Lord Jesus Christ, then we are all condemned to be thrown into the lake of fire."

At this point, the listeners are cornered where they are supposed to be. The next step will just be to get the net to scoop the cornered prospects.

Fourth Step (Solution to problem) Read Luke 13:24 -

MINISTER: Because we are all condemned to be punished, probably anyone of you might say, "Why does God allows us to be punished? Is it not that God is love? To answer this question, let's read what the bible says in Luke 13:24-25:

"Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, "Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know you, where you are from.'"

MINISTER: "As we have heard, we have to strive to enter the narrow gate. Let's bear in mind that this gate will not be always open. There will come a time when this gate or door will close and no one will be able to get in anymore. Our next question is where is this gate so that we can be able to enter?"

Fifth Step - Read John 10:9

"I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved."

MINISTER: "The door is our Lord Jesus Christ. But how can we enter Jesus Christ when he is in heaven. Even if Jesus Christ is here on earth, it is impossible to enter his person. Let's allow the bible to explain the manner of entering Jesus Christ."

Sixth Step - Read 1 Corinthians 12:27:

"Now you are the body of Christ, and members in particulars."

MINISTER: "As the bible says, we can enter Jesus Christ by becoming a member of His body. But the next question is which is this body?

Seventh Step - Read Colossians 1:18:

"And He (Christ) is the head of the body, the church.."

MINISTER: "It is clear now to us that the body of Christ is His church. Now, there are many churches nowadays, does the bible specify which church is this?

Eighth Step - Read Acts 20:28 Lamsa version

"Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood."

MINISTER: The bible had told us the name of the church which we should enter. It is the Church of Christ. It is the church where you are now listening.

The mission is finally accomplished. It is a take or leave situation. The escape from the impending punishment of lake of fire is the Church of Christ or Iglesia Ni Cristo in Philippine dialect.

2. HARNESSING THE POWER OF THE EVIL SPIRITS TRICK -

THEORY:

Through use of the prayers, we allow our souls to be in tune with the spiritual world. Good spirits and bad spirits are in constant battle with each other to capture human inhabitants of the earth. We know that good Spirits come from God while spirits of the world come from Satan. The person who leads the prayer brings with him the spirit who owns that person. Therefore, by allowing yourself to be lead by a person owned by an evil spirit is like allowing your soul to open its door for entrance of the bad spirit. The evil spirit is like the virus that enters the human body, battles the immune system, if successful, reproduces itself into millions, conquers the human body via a disease, if uncured, the disease results in death of the human body. Virus is to the human body as evil spirit is to the human soul. A person is composed of body, soul, and spirit (1 Thes 5:23).

APPLICATION:

After the minister's dissertation or enlightening talk, the minister will ask all listeners to stand up to pray to God (Satan). As soon as everyone closes their eyes, the magic of the evil spirits starts to work to encompass the whole room and reaches and touches everyone's soul and comes in slowly to the invited souls, as the minister leads the prayer.

"O God (Satan), We thank thee for allowing us to listen to your truths (lies). We thank thee for allowing some visitors to come to this place to be included in this mission of salvation (damnation) in these last days. O God (Satan), be kind to accept us. We know O God (Satan)that we are sinners before thee. We know O Lord (Lucifer) that we are condemned to be punished in the lake of fire. Have mercy on us O Lord (Lucifer). Kindly include us to become members of the body of your Son, Jesus Christ (FYM?). Allow us O Lord (Lucifer) to continue to listen to your words. Allow us to come back to this place so that we will be enlightened once again to the right path. So that in the near future O Lord (Lucifer), we will be included in your holy (devilly) body to inherit the heavenly (hell) kingdom you have promised to each one of us. Bless your people who have invited these souls. Increase their perseverance, increase their devotions. Endow always the knowledge that they are working for their own salvation (damnation). We trust O Lord (Lucifer) that you have listened to our prayers and you have given your blessings to each of us. All these we pray only in the name of your Son, Jesus Christ (FYM?). Amen!

3. CLASSICAL CONDITIONING TRICK -

THEORY -

Classical conditioning or Pavloc conditioning is a type of learning in which a stimulus acquires the capacity to evoke a response that was originally evoked by another stimulus. Simply speaking, classical conditioning is the tricking of the mind by using a bait in association with something to train or condition the mind. The true and the untrue are made associates so that through passage of time, removal of the true associate won't have no effect in the continued acceptance of the untrue associate.

APPLICATION -

Classical conditioning is applied by the Iglesia Ni Cristo in teaching about the appointment by God of Felix Manalo as the last messenger. The Iglesia will start with the reading of appointments by God of Moses, John the Baptist, Jesus Christ, and Apostle Paul. These serve as the true associate. Next, the Iglesia starts reading the appointment by God of Felix Manalo (using untrue prophecies). The uninterrupted teachings of such appointments by God from Moses down to Felix Manalo,is imbeded in the minds of the members. The minds are tricked that what they are accepting are true commands of God. Even if the Iglesia don't remind the appointment of Moses down to Apostle Paul, to the Iglesia mind, Felix Manalo is appointed by God.

Classical conditioning is a an integral part in controlling the members. Conditioning is applied in all the doctrines such as the money thanksgiving, proselytizing, the forced worship attendance, and the obedience to the Central administration.


 
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Defeating the Cult of Manalo - Its Imminent Fall

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In one of my emails I wrote:

I promise that if we continue this campaign of discrediting INC and its apologists, in no more than a quarter of century, INC will be defeated. INC will fall, like communism fell. Mark my words today, even if you think I am nuts. If we all work together, especially the ex-INC's, we can get rid of this cult sooner than anyone can imagine. Many are already turned apostates. Many members do not believe anymore all their doctrines.

We are demolishing INC from its foundation. The edifice seems to be intact. But don't let appearances deceive you. This high tower of lies will come down at once.


One friend was skeptical about my confidence and wrote few months ago:

Botchok*, I am sorry that I am wasting your valuable time. But one thought recently just killing me. You said that you can eradicate INC with this campaign within few decades.

But are you very sure about this? A die-hard religion, with its vast resources and connection to government can be destroyed within a few years or decades, how, really it is possible. You talked about exponential series. Its ok, but everything, particularly, stupidity about religion does not follow math.

I visited INC forums, again and again. I strongly believe you are not that kind of person who talks big just to stay on the limelight. I have spent about 4 years with different forums like 84590, 70213, thebereans and debates in gov.ph, sent emails with links to these forums, sites like www.examineiglesianicristo.com to more than 3 thousands people (the number is growing everyday) but now I am in doubt. How can you achieve your goal? How is it possible, just tell me.

You said "if we all work together", if you have to use the word "if", then how can you promise. How can you be so sure?

As the requirement of my profession, I have come in contact with many different types of persons of different social status (and mentalities) in my life. I can estimate a person by talking to him (and reading the literature produced by him). I am sure, you are very confident that you will be able to destroy INC. But what is that secret" you know, but you are not telling us, which makes you so confident.

Can you please spend some time and give me a reply whenever you get time. I will wait, no problem, but please clarify my doubts.

-A Catholic Against INC Cultism and Deceptions


*Botchock is my former posting name before my dominant gf forced me to change it to Cult Buster

Here is my response:

Dear Catholic Against INC Cultism and Deceptions:

Let me clarify one misunderstanding in the outset. I have not claimed that "I" will eradicate INC. I am not a megalomaniac fruitcake with thoughts of grandiosity. I am just a humble guy. Just ask my rott (Amir), dobe (Reis) and my belgian shepherd (Elhud). These fellows who live with me and knows me well does not pay much attention to me. In fact they treat me as if I am their servant. Now if this is the opinion of dogs about me, you can imagine how insignificant I must be.

I said WE, as we the free humans, can eradicate this cult if we work at it together and in this I am confident. Where this confidence comes from? I am confident because I know INC. INC is nothing but puff and pomposity. It is 90+ years old and it has a few million deluded and fanatic followers ready to kill/die for felix the fruitcake. Nonetheless it is based on lies. It's like a tall high-rise built on moving sand. As long as those sands remain in place the edifice will stand on its feet. But as soon as you disturb the sand or remove it from its beneath, the edifice will come down crumbling.

INC is a lie. Its god is a lie and its prophet was a liar. He was not just a liar but also an extremely evil man.

What will remain of INC once you separate facts from fiction? Once you discard the ridiculous claim of being an angel coming from the east and instructing the four other angels to halt the world war, being the bird of prey and other stupidities like these, you'll find INC is nothing but hate, insanity, and bigotry. The psychopath narcissist does not understand love. He understands fear. INC is based on fear.

Then when you compare the life of felix with that of Jesus, you'll see that there is no comparison. One was the paragon of goodness while the other was the embodiment of all that is abhorrent and evil. This is not comparing apples to oranges; we are talking of two opposite poles. Let us not compare apple and dog poop.

Let me use an imagery to make my point. Think of Orthodox Christianity as a beautiful sexy woman rapped in rags. The more you strip her, the prettier she looks. When she is completely naked, you want to make love to her. Now compare INC to an old bitchy witch, ugly and disgusting, but dressed in fanciful clothing and wearing a seductive mask. The more you strip her, the more frightening she looks. Once she removes her mask you want to run away.

With all this consideration, it is clear why it is a mistake to include INC among the Christian religions. Just because Christianity has withstood criticism, it does not mean INC will also survive criticism.

There are abundant good in both RCC and Protestantism, which makes it worthy to be respected. Even as free thinker/rationalist, I can put aside the dark medieval past haunting Christianity and appreciate its beauty and its spiritual teachings. I often quote the teachings of Christ and the saints, because they are good teachings. "Love thy neighbor", "Forgive the sins of others so yours can be forgiven too", "Let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone", "Only truth can set you free", "Lord, make me an instrument of your peace. Where there is hatred....." and many more. These are good teachings. Mankind will benefit from them. The world will be a better place once these teachings are taken to heart. Just think about these words: "You were told not to sin, I tell you not to think of sin for the sin is committed in your mind". This is the essence of all goodness. All evil starts first in our thoughts. If we can stop sinful thoughts before they start, there would be no evil left in the world. There is nothing comparable to this in INC cultism. There is not even one quotable quote produced by felix and erano.

There is nothing good in INC. INC is sheer evil that is sustained by fear. Not only the teachings of INC are evil, felix was a monster. felix was more evil than most cult leaders. He can be compared to Shoko Asahara and Charles Manson. So as you see, there is a fundamental difference between INC and other Christian sects.

I believe in homogenous evolution of dogmas. Perhaps they will undergo some change and adapt with time. But INC is a different story. INC is not a religion but a political movement in the guise of religion. INC promises 100% assurance of salvation to rouse the foolhardy followers to wage riot, kill and get killed cheerfully and advance the megalomaniac ambitions of grandeur of a psychopath. It is easy to defeat INC. All we have to do is tell the truth. All we have to do is expose its foundation, remove those sands of lies from beneath it and it will fall on its own. Christianity and other religions are rooted in solid rock. The foundations of these religions are solid. But INC does not have any foundation. It is based on sheer lies and unadulterated evil.

INC cultists know that INC will fall if exposed. On a subconscious level members know that INC is a lie and that it cannot be defended logically. Their doctrines are founded on anti doctrines. That is why when you criticize INC they panic. You can criticize all other religions, but all you can do is destroy their superstitions and fallacies. The foundation of these religions remains intact. As a matter of fact these religions have benefited immensely from criticism and thanks to that they were forced to give up most of their absurd tenets. They have adapted to the changing world. The evil practices of Sati in Hinduism, stoning in Judaism and inquisition in Christianity are things of the past.

But you can't criticize INC. If you tamper with the sands beneath it, the whole edifice will fall. Members know that. They know that INC can't take criticism and that it is very fragile. That is why they are so protective of it. That is why they become hysteric at a thought of the publication of a little book by Ross Tipon titled The Power and the Glory: The Cult of Manalo, criticizing felix and his cult. That is why they threaten to kill anyone who attempts to remove those sands of lies on which INC stands.

INC is dead. It is like a fossil. It can't change. If you touch it, it breaks. You can't remove a single thing from INC without destroying it completely. It's a house of cards. Remove one lie and the whole thing will come down.

You may ask: "If cultists know that INC is a lie why they defend it"? That is a fair question. The answer is that this lie is all they have. They have to cling to and believe in it even though it is clear to them that felix was an evil man and whatever he said were lies. This lie is their only straw.

Felix was a psychopath. Psychopaths want to control others. The first thing they do is they destroy the selfhood of their victims. Thanks to INC, its cultists have no pride, no self esteem, no dignity, no honor. Such a people are often very dangerous. Lack of self esteem is the cause of most evils.

People who respect themselves and know of their own worth and dignity, do not commit crime. They do not hurt others. You can measure goodness in people by their self esteem. The higher is their self-esteem the better human beings, the more caring, the more helpful and the more reliable they become. The lower is the self-esteem, the more cunning, the more callous and the more selfish they become.

This is what makes INC cultists so evil. It's their lack of self-esteem, their insecurity. They are ruthless and exploitative on the outside, but that is to cover their inner insecurity and fears. They are unhappy, fearful, walking scar tissues.

Manalo cultists are bullies. Some researchers have erroneously concluded that bullies suffer from unearned high self-esteem. But there is no such thing as high self-esteem. We have pomposity, hauteur, pretentiousness and vain glory. These are the flipside of low self-esteem. People who lack self-esteem wear these masks to hide their belittled and humiliated selves.

Felix led his followers to deny their self worth. They are made to believe that without INC they are nothing. They are even made to despise their own parents and family who does not conform to their faith or insanity. The narcissist has to destroy the selfhood of his victims in order to make them completely dependant.

Members are not fools. They just try to fool themselves. They can see INC is false. They realize it is against human intelligence and that it makes no sense, but they are so much trapped in it that they can't leave it. They force themselves to believe, because without it they are lost.

One cultist wrote to me "Apparently some of the doctrines of felix may seem or sound absurd. But it is Satan who is making us see them this way." This explains the cultic pathology. Members see that INC is foolish, but they can't let go. They can't let go because they have nothing else to cling on. Felix has robbed their identity and has destroyed their selfhood. They must cling to his cult, even though they can clearly see that it is false because INC is the only thing they have. It is the only straw in an ocean of uncertainties.

They need constant reassurance and repeat to themselves that "INC is the true religion", "Our number is growing and that "felix was truly the last messenger of God". They even seek these reassurances from others. They collect the complimentary comments of non-INCs and even lobby politicians and political institutions to issue official statements recognizing INC as a "great religion". They boast when a caucasian become a member and they ask him to help them "promote" their cult by appearing on TV testifying about his conversion. Talk about insecurity.

And then there is the fear - the fear of Hell and the punishment in the grave that has been inculcated in their minds since childhood. This fear has paralyzed their thinking ability. They dismiss any doubt as soon as it comes to their minds.

What we can make of this? We can make two things. One is that these pitiful cultists can clearly see that INC is false. Next is that they are trapped in it. There is a mental block that they can't get rid of. That mental block is psychological. Members can't cut their umbilical cord from INC. They think without it, they will go to hell. They have not learned to be independent.

However, many doubting cultists who are in their position are only fooling themselves. I know that, because I was there. They are smart enough to know it too. When I analyzed the doctrines and saw this is a doctrine of nonsense, at first I started denying my own intelligence.

You must have heard the joke of the woman who walks into the bedroom to find her husband in bed with another woman. The husband tells her: "Are you going to trust me or your lying eyes?" That very much depends on the woman's options. If she can walk away she certainly would, but if she has nowhere to go, she will force herself to believe the cheating husband. They do not have much freedom and therefore not many options.

Felix's cultists have nowhere to go. Everything is taken away from them. They must fool themselves to not lose their faith in felix.

I thought I am being tested and that I must persevere forcing myself to believe. I hid the Lamsa and the hard copy of doctrines behind the other books so I don't see it. These things were "pulsating" It was like a sore finger throbbing and sending pulses of pain to me. I tried to read other books and distract myself. I tried to think of only the positive things and forget whatever I had learned in this forum. I regretted having analyzed the doctrines. I prayed more intensely. But just as you can't stop thinking about a black dog if I tell you not to think of it, I could not fight back the thought of what I had read.

Someone that preceded my apostasy wrote to me, "You don't believe in any of this nonsense. You can never be the same. Once your brain expands, it will never shrink again. Believe me I tried it for two years because I was afraid to be free but at the end I failed (which means I won). These doubts that you start having will not diminish. They actually will keep multiplying. You'll start doubting even things you had taken for granted all your life. This is how people get enlightened. They suddenly find it is hard to believe in cultic superstitions."

Once you learn the truth, there is no way that you can unlearn it. The passage from belief to enlightenment is arduous, but this is the greatest odyssey of our lives. It's a path we must all take. It's a lonesome path. It's a painful and tiresome path. This is the rebirth of intelligence. No birth is without throes. The throes of my own intellectual rebirth were about one year. That is because I lived in the West before for a college degree and my life is not going to be endangered. Many cultists, living in subdivisions exclusive for INCs do not have such a luxury. They know that apostasy could mean castigation, loss of the family, children, jobs and perhaps even death. They will try harder to keep their faith in INC. But no matter how much one tries to deny the truth, one just can't do it.

Just like birth and death, this is a solitary odyssey. No one can help you in it. However, I will write my own experience in detail and mapped out the terrain for those who have just begun this journey.
How can I be so certain that INC's, days are numbered? It is because I believe in the power of the truth. Truth is extremely powerful. In another email, I sent anonymously the links of many sites that exposes the INC. They became enlightened after their minister threatened them with "tiwalag" instead of answering their questions. They will enlighten others and others will tell others. You yourself say that you spread the links that exposes the INC to 3,000 people and are spreading it to more people. Many of those whom you helped see the light will do the same. Drops form trickles, trickles become streams and streams converge to torrents. Never underestimate the potential of man and what you as an individual can do. Of course if we want to succeed we need more than a few individuals. We need millions of them. Those millions are gathering and the power is building up




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BIBLE VERSES TWISTED BY THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO, PART 3

July 11 2006, 12:01 AM 

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11) ACTS 2:46 - CONTINUING DAILY IN THE TEMPLE

"So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart," -Acts 2:46 New King James Version

This verse is very important to Manalo because it serves to kill criticisms to the Iglesia's mandatory twice a week worship service. Manalo twists the phrase, "continuing daily with one accord in the temple," as continuing daily worship service. The Iglesia minister will read the verse to back up the biblical authority of the Iglesia's twice a week worship service. The minister will expound, thus

"Brethren, as we have heard, the first century Church of Christ did have daily worship service. Our detractors persecute us for having twice a week worship service every Thursdays and Sundays. They do not know that the first century Church of Christ perform worship service daily. But, our church administration is kind to us. Why? Because our church administration allows us to do worship service not daily but only two times a week."

TRUE CONTEXT OF THE VERSE:

What is daily that is mentioned by the verse is EATING FOOD. Besides eating their food daily, the first century Christians (not members of the Church of Christ) have some activities both in the temple (this is the Jerusalem temple) and in their houses. What are these activities? If we will read Verse 42, it enumerates the activities:

"And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers." -Acts 2:42 NKJV

THEREFORE, the first century Christians continued to be steadfast:

1. in the apostles' doctrine
2. and fellowship
3. in the breaking of bread
4. and in prayers

READILY, we know that there was not any money making activity such as selling the Pasugo or God's Message magazines, or accepting deposits for year end Thanksgiving certificates, or collection of many kinds of offerings. What is the apostles' doctrine about? The doctrine is about repentance and baptism with the Holy Spirit through the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38). Is fellowship a worship service? No! Fellowship is companionship. It is dealing with fellow brethren who have the same interests as yourself. The Christian believers have fellowship among themselves such that they are encouraging each other, stirring up love and good works, and considering one another. We can call this an informal gathering seeing each other and talking about anything with fellow believers of Christ.

WERE THE FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST?

Manalo brainwashed all members that the first century Christians were members of the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ). This is a BIG LIE. If it is true, it will appear in the Holy Scriptures. The fact that the name Church of Christ could not be found in any Bible proves that there was no such organization in the first century. The Iglesia uses only the Catholic books and Lamsa Bible. The Iglesia ni Cristo uses dishonestly the Lamsa Translation although it knows that it is a mistranslation of "church of God" into "church of Christ". Even then, the name "church of Christ" is not a name of a particular organization because it is written as a common noun.

Actually, the name of the organization that the first century Christians belong is called "Way". Can this name be found in the Holy Scriptures? Absolutely. Let's read them:

1. Those persecuted disciples of Jesus Christ were members of the "Way":

"Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that If he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem." -Acts 9:1-2 NKJV

2. The Way was known by the people in those days:

"And about that time there arose a great commotion about the Way." -Acts 19:23 NKJV

3. Apostle Paul admits he persecuted the Way:

"I persecuted this Way to the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women." -Acts 22:4 NKJV

4. The Way was an organization of the Christian believers, a sect:

"But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets." -Acts 24:14 NKJV

12) ACTS 20:29 - SAVAGE WOLVES NOT SPARING THE FLOCK:

"For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock." -Acts 20:29 NKJV

How does the Iglesia ni Cristo twists this verse? The Iglesia twists the savage wolves to be priest of the Catholic Church. It is a doctrine of the Iglesia ni Cristo that the alleged first century Church of Christ became extinct due to the Catholic Church that killed the faithful members and forced remaining Christians to embrace catholicism.

TRUE CONTEXT OF THE VERSE:

According to the verse, these wolves COME IN among you. The pronoun "you" refers to the believers who are sometimes called sheeps of the flock. How come that these wolves were able to enter the flock of the sheep? If we will read Mt. 7:15, we will know the answer:

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves." -Mt. 7:15 NKJV

THEREFORE, the ravenous wolves have disguised themselves as sheep (in sheep's clothing). That's why they were able to penetrate the flock unnoticed. These ravenous wolves in sheep's clothing are actually the false prophets sent by the devil. These false prophets masquerade as sheeps or people of God using also the same Bible but twist or pervert what are written therein, changing the gospel of Jesus Christ into another gospel, such as gospel of Felix Y. Manalo's Iglesia ni Cristo, gospel of Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church, gospel of Elaine White's Seventh Day Adventists, gospel of Charles Russel's Jehovah's Witnesses. These false prophets also masquerade as Christ, thereby, the Bible calls them False Christs (Mt. 24:24).

HOW DOES THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO MASQUERADE AS CHRIST?

1. By making the Iglesia ni Cristo the body of Christ. The Iglesia teaches that the body of Christ is the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ). They teach that in order to be saved, you must enter Christ through the Church of Christ because the Church of Christ is the body of Christ. This doctrine makes the Iglesia the false Christ. Why? Because the true body of Jesus Christ are the people believers (1 Cor. 12:27).

2. By making the Iglesia ni Cristo the true vine and members are branches of the vine. The Iglesia teaches that if a member leaves the Church of Christ, he/she will wither and gets dry to be gathered and thrown into the lake of fire.

3. By making separation from the Iglesia tantamount to separation from Jesus Christ using John 6:67-68.

13) ACTS 16:30-31 - BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST

"And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, you and your household." -Acts 16:30-31 NKJV

The Iglesia twists this verse by adding many requirements for salvation including believing Felix Manalo as messenger of God and membership in the Iglesia ni Cristo.

TRUE CONTEXT OF THE VERSES:

The keeper of the prison in said verse asked Apostle Paul and Silas, "what must I do to be saved?" Apostle Paul and Silas replied, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, you and your household." Therefore believing completes salvation. Of course, before one can utter "I believe", one must know to what you are believing. Apostle Paul spoke the word of Jesus Christ briefly to him and his household as to the name they should believe in. In speaking the word of Jesus Christ, it did not involve many hours and days of indoctrinations as what the Iglesia is doing. Let's read the continuing verses:

"Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized. Now when he had brought them into his house, he set food before them, and he rejoiced having believed in God with all his household." -Acts 16:32-34

THEREFORE, believing completed the salvation. According to the verse, speaking the word of the Lord was only done in minutes because it took only Apostle Paul the time of ONE HOUR in the same night including washing the stripes (beatings) of Apostle Paul and Silas. What was spoken was only the word of the Lord. There was no preaching about Apostle Paul being the church administrator or being the messenger of God, nor preaching of the alleged Church of Christ membership, nor preaching the many many doctrines of the church. How come that the baptism was immediate? It is because the baptism is understood to be the baptism with the Holy Spirit (Acts 11:16).

14) ROMANS 8:1 - NO CONDEMNATION TO THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS

"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." -Rom. 8:1 NKJV

How does the Iglesia twists this verse? The Iglesia twists the phrase, "in Christ Jesus" into "in the Church of Christ." Because of this twisting, the Iglesia members are given a false sense of security. The members think they are no longer subject to condemnation, when they are.

TRUE CONTEXT OF THE VERSE:

Those who are in Christ Jesus are those given by God to Jesus Christ (John 6:37). Their sinful bodies died with Christ in the cross (Rom. 6:8). Henceforth, they are living a spiritual life or bearing spiritual fruits, or doing works of righteousness. How can one receive the mercy of salvation from God? This is only a province of God. No one can tell God what He will do or will not do. Let's read the policy of God:

"For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion. So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy." -Rom. 9:13-14 NKJV

Assuming that God has given us mercy, what will happen next?

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name." -John 1:12 NKJV

THEREFORE, the next step is God will allow you to believe Jesus Christ. After that, you become born as a child of God through baptism by the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13, Acts 11:16). Next, you will be given to Jesus Christ (John 6:37). The children of God given to Jesus Christ are the ones considered as "in Christ". They are the ones that don't have no more condemnation.

WHY THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO SECRETLY FORBIDS BELIEVING JESUS CHRIST?

Does the Iglesia ni Cristo forbids believing Jesus Christ? Yes, they do. Here is a part of what they say in their Fundamental Belief Indoctrination Lesson #8:

"Lesson No. 8
Not by Faith Only
Theme: Salvation Cannot Be Attained By Faith Alone.
Objectives:
1) Prove that faith alone in our Lord Jesus Christ is not sufficient in order for man to be saved.
2) Show the indispensability of the Church of Christ for salvation.
3) Teach people to give value to their membership in the Church."
-Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia ni Cristo by Erano G. Manalo.

THE IGLESIA forbids believing Jesus Christ thru watering down or diluting with many requirements on how to be saved. The requirements include: Believing Felix Y. Manalo as messenger of God, accepting the preaching of FYM and his ministers, complying with all the 38 indoctrination lessons, obeying the church administration (EGM & EVM), undergoing the six months of trial period of attending the twice a week worship service and committee group prayers, fulfilling all the money obligations, etc. Therefore, the presence of the many many requirements (present and future) makes believing Jesus Christ worthless.

15) ROMANS 8:35, 38-39 - WHO SHALL SEPARATE US?

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." -Rom. 8:35, 37-38 NKJV

THE IGLESIA worship service lesson written by Manalo constantly require reading these verses. How does the Iglesia ni Cristo twists these passages? The verses are about separation from the love of God, but, the Iglesia twists the phrase as separation from the Church of Christ. After reading the verses, the Iglesia minister will explain:

"Brethren, as we have heard, the true members can never be separated from the Church of Christ no matter what happens. Tribulations, distress, persecutions from our detractors, famines, sword, even angels or height or depth, or anything, you name it, we will never be separated from the love of God as faithful members of His beloved Church."

TRUE CONTEXT:

The verse is talking about the love of God through Jesus Christ NOT through the Church of Christ. How is this love of God obtained? It is obtained by anyone who believes in Jesus Christ. Let's read the verse:

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." - John 3:16 NKJV

Why won't those recipients of the love of God not be separated? It is because God and Jesus Christ will protect them. Let's read:

"And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand." -John 10:28-29 NKJV

THEREFORE, only those given by God to Jesus Christ are the ones who can not be separated from the love of God. The Iglesia members are not included because they don't believe Jesus Christ. Whom they believe is Felix Y. Manalo. Those who don't believe Jesus Christ are not the sheep of Jesus Christ (John 10:26). If they are not the sheeps of Jesus Christ, then they are the goats of Felix Y. Manalo. Once again, the Iglesia is guilty of providing a false sense of security. The Iglesia twisting is for the goal of preventing members from leaving their church. If members only understand what their ministers are reading, there is mentioned in the verse about "angels" trying to cause separation. Off hand, we know that Felix Y. Manalo admits he is an angel. We also know that Satan is able to appear as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14). Is it a coincidence that FYM preaches the Iglesia ni Cristo as church owned by God and Christ? And that he preaches and exalts himself as messenger of God?

 
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INC MINISTERS? OF SATAN?

July 11 2006, 12:19 AM 

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It has been shown that Felix Manalo is
a pretender, pretending to be an angel of
god when in fact his claims are lies. And
liars are of Satan, isn't it? And what about
his ministers? Let see what the bible says.

2Corintian chapter 11, verses 13, 14 and 15.

Verse 14: "And no marvel; for Satan himself
is transformed into an angel of ligth?
Verse 15: "therefore, it is of no great things if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works"

The INC is the only organization which claims to have an angel and ministers. How
true this is, a bibile prophecy fulfilled?


 
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Irresponsible use of the internet

July 11 2006, 12:46 AM 

May 11 2001 at 3:22 PM
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What I see here is how irresponsibly people use the internet. There have been many pretenders, one even using my name. One even calling the administration stupid. My advice to all bretheren is to refrain from posting any further posts here. You have been instructed by your ministers to avoid forums such as these. This won't do any good to your salvation.


 
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Dorothy, staying in the INC won't do any good for your salvation.

July 13 2006, 5:18 AM 

Who is she trying to fool?

 
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Erano's daughter doesn't want INC members to see the light

July 22 2006, 12:01 AM 


She benefits when INC income doesn't decrease due to decreased membership.

 
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Converting to the Dirty and Ugly Cult of Manalo

July 14 2006, 9:47 AM 

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April 13 2006 at 8:53 PM

Usually people who convert to Iglesia have had some immoral upbringing in their childhood and then a rebellious adolescence filled with crimes and unruliness. These youth are torn apart psychologically. They often come from broken or otherwise dysfunctional families and have very low self-esteem. Lack of self-esteem is the root cause of all evils. Youth such as these gravitate towards drugs and crime not because of the pleasure they get from this wretched life but because they want to belong. In the lowlife, they find their peers and a community where they can belong. They often join gangs in the quest to find a surrogate family.

Nevertheless because of their immoral upbringing and or because of the pangs of conscience there is a war waging within them. The life of booze, drugs, sex and crime loses its luster very soon and an inner battle for meaning starts within them. They find themselves unable to get rid of this wretched life on their own and desperately seek a heavy hand of an authority to pull them out of this hole.

These people are perfect candidates to become victims of cults in general and INM in particular. Their life is so screwed up and they are so unhappy that they are willing to accept any absurdity and cling to any nonsense to free themselves from this tangle. Cults provide this strong hand of authority, an authority that they often did not have when they grew up. Some of these people have had abusive parents, parents who did not know how to raise their children and give them proper direction in life. They either exerted no authority or they wield too much authority and therefore have failed to establish proper communication with their children. Kids of such dysfunctional families cannot rely on their own. They do not have the proper tools to make right decisions. They do not trust their own judgments. Emotionally they have not mature to make independent and right decisions. They need someone telling them what to do. In cults, these people seek the authority that they have never had in their lives. They are willing to do anything to get out of the miserable life in which they are embroiled. The emotional need to save their lives is far greater than any intellectual quest. The yearning to rebound is so strong that they often willingly overlook the hollowness of the cults that they embrace and they genuinely make the effort to change their lives. So the promise of rebirth is self fulfilled. The power to change comes from within them. This is the power of belief. However, belief is an inner force and has nothing to do with cults. Cults becomes an anchor, a pretext, but the power comes from within.
So in a sense cults play a positive role, because they trigger the inner power of the humans. People can literally transform their lives if they find strong motivations. Those who are self-reliant and have proper directions in life, find their motivations in their desire to succeed and excel in everything they do. Those who lack such direction cling to cults for motivation.
However, despite providing a strong anchor for the weaker humans, cults have a negative side effect too. Iglesia ni Manalo is a cult of hate. This cult particularly attracts the angry people and the hardened criminals. Can you find any ministers conducting GEM for class A audiences? For example, residences of Wack Wack village? Of Forbes park? The highly educated people in those areas wouldn't buy their cultic doctrines. Most converts to Iglesia are barely educated youth. They are emotionally unbalanced. They feel that they are victimized and they are angry at the world. Iglesia is a perfect religion for them. It validates their sense of victimization and provides then a definable enemy to hate. The new converts to Iglesia find a sense of direction in their lives that they never had before. However that is not the direction towards love, inner peace and enlightenment. In Iglesia they find a venue to express their anger, this time with no bang of conscience but with conviction, determination and a sense of purpose.

Iglesia cult gives the new converts a sense of belonging. They are called brother and they suddenly find a few million brothers and sisters. Their conversion and their taking the oath of allegiance and baptism usually takes place in a kapilya and is accompanied by congregational praise, much hugs and congratulations. For an individual who has a low self-esteem, the experience of becoming the center of attention is so overwhelming that the impact of that experience lasts for a long time. People do anything for their 15 minutes of fame. A person's coming to God must always be a private celebration between he and his God. However old members, taking advantage of this human weakness make this a public event and prize the newcomer with much fanfare. This is done deliberately and is designed to reward the convert and encourage more people to join. In fact this is a characteristic of all cults and gangs where initiation of new recruits is an important event.

Notwithstanding the show of affection and cheering, this is not a genuine love. The very people who hug and shower the new convert with unbounded friendliness will not hesitate to treat him/her badly if he/she chooses to change his mind and leave Iglesia. Converting to Iglesia is a one-way trip. Converting to Iglesia is like falling into a black hole. Once you become a member there is no escape from it. You know that by leaving Iglesia not only you'll lose all of your friends but also they will become your mortal enemies. Now not only you have to deal with the fear of abandonment and loneliness, you also have to be careful that your best friends do not treat you badly. An individual whose lack of self-esteem attracted him to Iglesia in the first place usually does not have the strength of character to face this much pressure. Fear of abandonment in itself is a strong deterrent to leave Iglesia. Fear of reprisal is an extra hurdle.


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Please read this ridiculous interpretation of the INC

July 14 2006, 9:15 PM 

December 5 2000 at 7:39 AM
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Eagle means airplane.
charriot means tank.
north means Protestantism.
south means Catholicism.
caves and mountains means "trenches/air raid shelters.
east means Philippines.
far east means Philippines.
afar means Philippines.
ends of the earth means 1914.
afar off means Philippines.

Time to really examine your doctrine, brothers and
sisters.

 
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THE FLAWED MASTER PLAN OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO

July 17 2006, 11:32 PM 

December 18 2001 at 5:13 PM
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The Iglesia ni Cristo has an article entitled, "Our role in God's Master Plan," written by INC Minister Lloyd I. Castro in their October 2001 God's Message magazine. Their magazine's name is a misnomer because it is really Satan's Message due to its unabated Satanic inspired blaspheming of the Holy Scriptures.

Accordingly, INC Minister Castro posited a personality who is an expert in Bible switching and exhibiting the flair of Bible jumping like an athlete in the professional sports of rope jumping. If he were an olympic athlete, Erano G. Manalo, his manager and trainer, would have been smoking an aura of great satisfaction for his prodigy's Bible jumping expertise. There is no doubt INC Minister Castro, even if his eyes were closed, he can do Bible switching and jumping as easy as rope jumping. He merits a gold for this skill of Bible perversion.

INC Minister Castro's Bible jumping tricks are etched in stone chronologically as follows:

Jer. 29:11, Today's English Version;
Jer. 29:11, Living Bible;
Eph. 1:8-10, TEV;
Eph. 1:22-23, Ibid;
Eph. 3:21, Living Bible;
Rom. 5:12; 1 Pet. 2:21-22;
Eph. 1:5,7, New King James Version;
Acts 20:28 Lamsa Translation;
Col. 1:12-14, New International Version;
Rom. 8:17, NKJV
Rev. 21:1-4, Ibid;
Eph. 3:6, Ibid

Take note that INC Minister Castro had used three Bibles for the Ephesian verses (Today's English, Living Bible, and New King James). For the Jeremiah 29:11 verse, two Bibles were used. In all, there are at least five Bibles used in his dissertation. Such five Bibles are necessary for easy authenticating what Erano Manalo wants rather than what the Bible says.

INC Minister Castro laid out God's plan which is a Manalo version for the destruction of mankind. Unfortunately, the plan he unleased is flawed not only because he is ignorant of the verses he used, but also he had done violence to the Holy Scriptures in changing knowingly what is written therein. Let us quote some of his rabid attacks on humanity:

"God's plan is to bring all people together under one head, Jesus Christ. To fulfill this purpose and decision of God, Apostle Paul said:
God put all things under Christ's feet and gave him to the church as supreme Lord over all things. The church is Christ's body, the completion of him who himself completes all things everywhere." (Eph. 1:22-23, Ibid)
God's plan that all men should be placed under Christ is carried out by gathering them together in the Church which is the body of Christ.
The recipient
As God had planned it to be, we can attain the full benefits of His blessings by joining the Church of Christ. To refuse to join the Church of Christ means to deny one's self of the good He has prepared for us." -God's Message, October 2001, p. 4.

Based on the above quote, what INC Minister had done in the short span of at least seven sentences, is to skillfully metamorphose the word "church" that was cited by him from the Today's English Version of Ephesians 1:22-23.

The following is the metamorphosis of the word "church" as presented by the Satan's minister:

1. Originally it is "church" (This is what is written in the Bible;
2. Then he metamorphosed the "church" to become "Church" (He had done this when you blink your eyes)
3. Lastly, he metamorphosed the "Church" to become "Church of Christ" (Another nice job he had done when you were distracted by his rear end blowing).

SUMMARY:

church>>>>>>Church>>>>>>>Church of Christ

INC Minister Castro might think he had done a good job of fooling the people in breaking the words of God written in the Holy Scriptures. To the contrary, what he had done is he had fooled himself and had sentenced himself to have his name taken away from the Holy City as a result of his taking away the small letter "c", plus added plagues for himself upon the adding of capital "C" to replace the taken out small letter "c", plus lots and lots of plagues due him because of his naughty additions of the letters, o-f--C-h-r-i-s-t. (Rev. 22:18-19 NKJV).

INC MINISTER CASTRO'S SHEER IGNORANCE OR WILLFULL PERVERSION OF EPHESIANS 1:10 TEV? Let's read the verse:

"This plan, which God will complete when the time is right, is to bring all creation together, everything in heaven and on earth, with Christ as head." -Eph. 1:10 Today's English Version

INC Minister Castro's understanding of this verse of God's plan is that "all men should be placed under Christ is carried out by gathering them together in the Church of Christ which is the body of Christ."

Based on this understanding by the prodigy of Erano G. Manalo, we can conclude that he does not understand what he reads, or, he was not given the mystery of the Bible, or, he knowingly perverts the Bible. Why? Because those to be brought together as the Bible says are. "all creation together, EVERYTHING IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. Further, all the creation in heaven and on earth will be brought to CHRIST (not the body).

If we will follow the concept of INC Minister Castro, the angels in heaven and all the creatures residing therein including the Cherubs and Seraphs will go on strike. It is because they will be forced to become members of the Iglesia ni Cristo. Not only that, all creations on earth including trees, plants, animals, and other living organisms will be forced to become members of the Iglesia ni Cristo, too.

My goodness, the creations in heaven will have to go to work so that they will have monies to give to Manalo's twice a year thanksgiving obligations. The trees, plants, fishes, animals, and other living organisms, will be forced to sell themselves to have monies. If they will sell themselves, they won't have any more bodies left because by then, their bodies would have been eaten by the buyers.

And what about the compulsory worship service obligation? There will be chaos because how can the plants and trees attend the worship service? The worship service must be brought to them because they can not go to the chapels. Or, another remedy is that the deacons and deaconesses will have to dig them out to be brought to the worship service which will cause another problem. The problem created is the chapel will become a ballroom for picking by human brethren of the fruits and produce of the seated trees and plants for their supper or dinner needs. Probably, INC Minister Castro will be more than happy to come down from the pulpit to pick the vegetables ordered by his wife and girlfriends. After the worship service, the trees and plants and others will be brought back to their home plots. This chore will be done to all trees, plants, shrubs, because one worship service missed by the plants, trees, and shrubs, will result in their being punished in the lake of fire according to the teaching of Manalo. Another problem, if the trees and plants and others are not brought to the worship service, they will become "cold" members. Considering they outnumber human members, it will not be a good report to Manalo. Probably Manalo will order them expelled. With regards to fruit bearing, the trees and plants will have a problem. How can they invite their fellow trees and plants to the Bible exposition? If they themselves could not walk and go to the chapel, it is next to impossible they could bring their relatives of trees and plants to the Bible exposition.

There will be chaos, too, if the Cherubs will attend the worship service. Imagine to be seated with winged creatures of four kinds--one that has a lion head, one that has an ox head, one that has an eagle head, and one that has a man's head. Probably, all Iglesia human members will run out of the chapel upon seeing these fearsome creatures. Or, if they are brave enough to sit beside any one of them, they will lose concentration thinking, "what if?" "What if, this alien fella that has a long horn will turn its head and accidentally fork my neck?" "What if, this lion head creature has plans to have its fragrant neighbor human become its supper? This is just the tip of the iceberg.

What about indoctrinations of these creatures in heaven and on earth? And what about their baptism? Manalo will have to construct a huge and deep baptismal pool so that the acacia tree, or bamboo tree, or coconut tree, can be submerged fully. On baptism of cats, there is a need for at least five deacons holding the limbs and head of the cat. Any mistakes in holding the cat will surely result in injuries. There is no problem for baptism of the fishes because the water is their habitat. The only problem is when a small fry gets loose. It will take a helluva of effort to find the loose fry without emptying the pool of water. And what about if we will baptize a hungry huge crocodile? Submerged limbs of deacons and deaconesses and of INC Minister Castro officiating the baptism will be at risk of being chump out by their future crocodile brother.

So many troubles created by INC Minister Castro in forcing creations in heaven and on earth become Iglesia ni Cristo members. Fortunately, what INC Minister Castro preaches is not what is written in the Bible. What is written is that all creation will be brough to CHRIST himself. They will not be brought to the Church of Christ or Iglesia ni Cristo or Iglesia of Manalo.

THE TIME WHEN ALL THINGS ARE BROUGHT TO CHRIST

When will this God's plan of bringing all creation to Christ happen? Had it happened already starting in July 27, 1914, as preached by Manalo? No! The verse says, "This plan, which God will complete when the time is right.." It says "when the time is right" When will that be? Felix Manalo, being a false messenger of God, was not given this knowledge. He does not know that it has not yet happened. In fact, it is not yet the right time. Why? Because Satan is still free. When Satan will be put to prison, then, that will be the right time, otherwise, he will create troubles. It will happen during the millennial rule (1000 years) of Christ when he comes to rule the earth as King of kings and Lord of lords (Rev. 20:4). It is called the kingdom age. This age starts upon the second coming of Lord Jesus Christ. The saints will be with Christ during His rule. Satan will be incarcerated throughout the 1000 years. Therefore, all creations on earth as well as in heaven will be brought to Christ being the King of kings and Lord of lords.

After the millennial rule, that will be the time when those wicked dead will be raised up to life including the release of Satan from prison to continue to deceive the wicked people. As soon as the wicked people try to reach the city of the saints that is levitating (going up), fire from heaven will devour the wicked trying to enter. The whole earth will burn and perish. The city of the saints caught up in the clouds will land into a new earth and heaven. The aftermath is that all the bad guys including Satan and his angels, the beast, and the false prophet, will be thrown into the lake of fire.

If the saints will use binoculars, they could probably see FYM among those in torment. Under him they could probably see LIC, the Yes Sir minister who wrote Manalo's version of God's plan. Further away, they could see FBF, another Yes Sir minister, who is the managing editor of their Satan's Message magazine who was freshly brought from the Planet Pluto where he might have escaped. Maybe, one of the suffering crowd is one named EGM. "Uh-oh, there he is, just captured with accompanying freight of many parcels of huge boxes full of horded thanksgiving monies and trying to bribe the angels." The saints could overhear the angels saying, "Sorry Sir, your monies can't deliver you in this day of the Lord's wrath."

The saints, angels of God, and other chosen will live with Christ and the Almighty Father to live a life of bless and happiness for all eternity. This is the kind of life that God intended for mankind but which was ruined by Satan. Due to God's love, he had sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to put back man to where they are supposed to be--in God's Kingdom where there is no more tears, nor pain, nor crying, nor death. There is no more sea. There is no more sun or moon because the brightness of God and His Son, Jesus Christ, will light up the city. There is no temple because Lord God and the Lamb are its temple.

THEREFORE, Felix Y. Manalo's version of God's Plan is flawed, false, and devilish...

 
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JERRY'S DEMONIC COMMENTS ON INC PASUGO

December 21 2006, 5:42 AM 

JERRY'S DEMONIC COMMENTS ON INC PASUGO

JERRY'S WRONG INTERPRETATION TO INC PASUGO ARTICLE CONCERNING GOD'S PLAN AS WRITTEN IN EPH. 1:10 WHICH STATES......."This plan, which God will complete when the time is right, is to bring all creation together, everything in heaven and on earth, with Christ as head." -Eph. 1:10 Today's English Version.

IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE FIRST AND FOREMOST CONCERN OF GOD'S PLAN FOR ALL HIS CREATION IS THE SALVATION OF HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE. HENCE, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH GOD'S PLAN OF BRINGING HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE TO CHRIST, ONE MUST ENTER CHRIST THROUGH HIS CHURCH IN ORDER TO BE SAVED COME JUDGEMENT DAY.

OF COURSE, THE PLANTS, ANIMALS, AND OTHER CREATIONS OTHER THAN MAN ARE NOT THE ONES WHO ARE OBLIGED TO ENTER THE CHURCH OR IGLESIA NI CRISTO. THESE CREATIONS ARE CREATED ONLY TO COMPLEMENT GOD'S PLAN FOR MANKIND BASIC NEEDS.

 
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INC's year ending "Panata"

July 17 2006, 11:38 PM 

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It's that time of the year again! INC members go through this december special thanksgiving 'panata' in behalf of and for Manalo's money collection scheme. It is a fact that a full year deposited account of every member has already been allocated for this purpose has made it the more abundant for the Manalos! Can it get any special than this?, knowing that every member can only add more to what has been sacrificed all year but cannot take away from it less members incur the wrath and curse from GOD!

Yes folks, INC members headed by deacons and deaconesses are obligated to perform this burdensome rituals come december of every year making sure by the manalo administration that every single individual member of the INC does his duty and obligation of money offerings.

In creating this december 'panata' atleast 2 weeks prior to december 25th, the inc administration has successfully and cunningly instill in the hearts and minds of the membership the mentality and spirit of giving more and more in and with abundance. This long tenous rituals of 'panata' is being done every year by the members headed by none other by the pawns of manalo administration - by the deacons and deaconesses through prayer rituals every night for atleast 2 wks, praying that this special occassion will become successfull; bountiful in giving by everyone;praying that there would be no obstacles and hindrances that may arise before and during the much awaited "money collection offerings" from the whole membership throughout the 6 continents and atleast in 70 countries around the world.

I believe it is high time and critical for all the members of the INC organization to open up the bible and search the scriptures and really find out and understand the true meaning and purpose of all the rituals and programs that have been wrongly and deceptively introduced and preached by the manalo administration by way of perverting and twisting biblical scriptures. Unless the membership educate themselves in the proper understanding and wisdom in and of the holy scriptures, they will forever be enslave to the dictates and hold and purposes by the present INC Erano Manalo dynasty organization. GOD have mercy!

 
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THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO IS THE HYPOCRITE PHARISEE

July 17 2006, 11:42 PM 

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How would you like to be admonished by a Pharisee saying to you, "Don't be hypocrites!", or the False Prophet preaching to you, "Beware of the false prophets!', or a Bible Perverter teaching you, "Know the signs of the times written in the Bible!" Probably, if these persons appear to you as they are--being the hypocrite Pharisee, or being the False Prophet, or being the widely known Bible Perverter, you just turn your back on him. But, supposing these guys appear as clean cut fellows, exhibiting air of holiness, conviction, and special concern for your safety, you just must be sweep off your feet lending to them your attentive ears and heart. Do we know these guys in masks? All three impostors are merged into one. He is now identified as the cult of Manalo who is garbed in sheep's clothing to deceive people calling himself as the Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ), but, in reality he is a ravenous wolf--the Church of Felix Y. Manalo. He teaches not the gospel of Christ but teaches another gospel called the gospel of Felix Y. Manalo.

The Iglesia Ni Cristo's October 2001 monthly magazine explicitly printed in its editorial entitled, The signs of the times" wherein its editor wrote with a mask of a saint advising that we should not heed the habits of the hypocrite Pharisees and warning us to be on guard for the false prophets, and even using the terror of Sep. 11, 2001 as a sign of the times that we should not postpone becoming members of the Iglesia Ni Cristo. Taking advantage of someone in distress or in times of sorrow motivated by gain is not an attribute of a saint. Victims of the Sep. 11 terrorism need comfort and support not accusations and condemnation and never revictimization.

The Iglesia's editorial is wanting in timeliness. It is now December 2001 but the Iglesia's October 2001 magazine just comes out this first week of December. The Iglesia's condolence and expression of sympathy came out more than two months late. All that time is needed by the Iglesia to know which side is winning in the Afghanistan war. At the start, the Iglesia Ni Cristo is on the side of the Al Qaeda. It didn't condemn the terrorists nor expressed outrage at the killing of thousands of people. It agreed with Osama bin Laden that it was an act of God rather than an act of the devil. In fact, the motivations of its worship service lessons taught to members immediately after the tragedy are lessons of opportunism--teaching that the tragedy caused people to search for God and enjoined members to double their efforts to convert these people still alive to become members of the Iglesia Ni Cristo. Now that the smoke is disappearing and now that it can be seen who is becoming the clear victor of the war did the Iglesia see the opportunity to switch sides. Just like its habit of Bible switching, the Iglesia Ni Cristo has switched sides from the losing ally to the winning former foe--the U.S. led coalition. Indeed, it is now time for the Iglesia to express sympathies to those victimized by the terrorism.

Why is the Iglesia Ni Cristo the twenty first century hypocrite Pharisees? It is because it teaches something but won't follow its own teaching. It teaches forgiveness of sins and newness of life but right after baptism and in the following twice a week worship services onward they plead God for forgiveness of their sins. They are what we call recidivist people--doing sins again and again and asking God for forgiveness again and again. Recidivist criminals don't deserve to go out the streets because they are dangers to society. How much more will God allow forgiveness to eternal sinners?

What are the other teachings of the Iglesia Ni Cristo that it hypocritically violates?

1) Teaching there is no Trinity but in practice they sing the Trinity Doxology and their ministers say the Trinity benediction, to wit:

Doxology

All glory to the Father's name,
Exalt the Lord, His only Son,
And to the Holy Spirit praise,
All earth and heaven, everyone.
Amen.

INC Minister's benediction prayer:

"May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with us now and forever." Amen.

What a hypocrite Iglesia Ni Cristo!

2) Teaching Jesus Christ is a man never is a God, yet, they pray to Him in their worship service as if He were a spiritual being;

3) They teach Jesus Christ is the head of their church but their church violate the command of Christ not to swear at all (Matt. 5:34). In fact, oathtaking is a habit in the Iglesia ni Cristo from baptism ending only upon death.

4) Teaching the Bible is the only source of the law of God but they deny this in practice because they make the words of Felix Y. Manalo supreme that what are written in the Holy Scriptures;

5) They teach forbidding to marry is a doctrine of demons, yet in practice they forbid their members from marrying (non members);

6) They teach amounts to be offered must be dictates of the heart yet in practice they impose certain amounts (more not less) on member's year-end thanksgivings;

7) They teach their houses of worship should not be used for buying and selling yet they sell their monthly magazines in one corner, they sell the thanksgiving certificates in another corner, they sell the locale fund and district fund in the foyer corners;

8) They teach love the brotherhood yet they require members to go to chapels at risks of their lives nightly for the required devotional prayers ordered by their leader. They require members to serve without pay. They teach members must give various kinds of offerings but members must fend for themselves if they incur catastrophies or economic reverses with only PG (Pray to God) token help;

9) They teach only God is to be worshipped yet in practice they are worshipping Felix Y. Manalo every July to commemorate the anniversary of the Iglesia ni Cristo in remembrance of its founder. They are also worshipping the image of the Iglesia ni Cristo corporate image because it is given preeminence in all their worship, i.e., the worship is geared towards the Iglesia ni Cristo that it is the most prized possession of an Iglesia member never to be exchanged with anything else in this world;

Being the false prophets, Felix Y. Manalo and his ministers are out to deceive people telling falsehoods rather than truths. Telling people the Iglesia Ni Cristo has prophecies yet it could not provide fulfillment verses for such prophecies. Telling people membership in the Iglesia Ni Cristo will save them but in truth it won't because salvation of members depends upon the whims and caprices of their Manalo leader who captured them to become his own slaves. Telling the Church of Christ is written in the Bible when in truth it is not--Lamsa's Acts 20:28 has only the common noun "church of Christ" and Romans 16:16 has only "churches of Christ". These two verses are being represented falsely as "Church of Christ". The proper noun "Church of Christ" could not have been written in the Bible because it did not exist. The first century Christians were actually members of the organization called "Way". This proper noun name can be found in the Book of Acts in all widely accepted Bibles (Acts 9:2; 22:4; 24:14; 19:23,9).

Who is the father of Liars? It is no other than the devil (John 8:44). Since the Iglesia Ni Cristo has been telling lies, it is no doubt its father or sponsor is the devil or Satan. If Satan is the sponsor and sower or planter of the Iglesia Ni Cristo, then, this cult is a TARE or a harmful weed that at harvest time will be the first ones to be gathered, bundled, and will be burned (Matt. 13:24-30 NKJV).

Why is it that Satan is able to appear, impersonate, disguise, beguile, pretend, and assume as an angel of light? That's his prowess. The Scriptures says:

"And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transforms themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works." -2 Cor. 11:14-15 NKJV

Iglesia Ni Cristo ministers are actually ministers of Satan that transforms themselves into ministers of righteousness. Due to this disguise they are able to attract, lure, and capture their victims. After capturing their victims, these notorious wolves dressed like sheeps put their victims in prison, which is, the mandatory worship service. There are guards of these prisons, which are, the deacons and deaconesses who work for free to have a watchful eye on every member. The prisones can not escape the highly reinforced prison. Firstly, they were blinded by false teachings. Secondly, there are guards placed in every strategic places of the prison system. Thirdly, there are barbed wires built around the perimeter of the prison that can shock the would-be escapee. These barbed wires are the brainwashing sermon ordeals that the prisoners are subjected to twice a week. The 25,000 volts of lake of fire Iglesia teaching that a member gets should he/she becomes absent from the mandatory worship, will cause excruciating pains if not death for anyone who tries to escape.

It is high time to escape this cult. The true Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the only way (Jn. 14:6) out of this imprisonment. But before Jesus Christ can set us free we must seek the mercy of God (Jn 6:44; Rom. 9:15) so that we would be able to believe God and to believe Jesus Christ (Jn. 3:16-18) rather than believing the fake messsenger Felix Y. Manalo.

LET'S GO OUT OF THIS IGLESIA NI CRISTO CULT!

 
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The Burden is heavy

July 17 2006, 11:46 PM 

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Church will be commencing at 9 but don’t forget to get there by 8, Children you’ll get a extra dose as your service starts a bit late (10.30). Oh well at least I might get home between the hours of 12 and 2 . WRONG! The Officers meeting is scheduled for 1.00 and choir practice for when that is done (3.00) I once had a life and some things to do (sigh)

At least I’ll get home for tea.

 
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dedicated to all of you

July 18 2006, 12:09 AM 

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For all of you who slander the INC administration

Matthew 15:18-19

But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man `unclean.'

For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony , slander.



 
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NEWGENS ARE.....

July 18 2006, 12:22 AM 

December 6 2001

NEW GENS ARE LIKE TALIBANS
NEW GENS CANNOT PROVE THEIR MEMBERSHIP WHEN ASKED
NEWGENS WILL NOT BE SAVED COME JUDGEMENT DAY
NEWGENS ARE LIKE FALSE PROPHETS
NEWGENS ARE FAKE
NEWGENS ARE BUNCH OF COWARDS
NEWGENS HAVE NO PLACE IN HEAVEN
NEWGENS ARE OFFENDED MEMBERS, MAYBE.
NEWGENS MAYBE EXPELLED MEMBERS
NEW GENS ARE NOT TRUE MEMBERS
NEW GENS ARE DISTRACTORS TO BELIVERS
NEWGENS ARE DESPERATE PEOPLE
NEWGENS DON'T DEFEND INC WHEN ATTACKED
NEWGENS ARE SATAN'S DISCIPLES
NEW GENS ARE LOSERS
NEW GENS ARE LIARS
NEW GENS are IMPOSTORS
NEWGENS=IMPOSTORs IMPOSTORs=NEWGENS


 
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SECRETS THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO DOES NOT WANT MEMBERS TO KNOW

July 18 2006, 12:35 AM 

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1. Members do not own any part of the properties of the Iglesia Ni Cristo - All properties of the I.N.C. are in the name of the I.N.C. The Iglesia Ni Cristo is a sole corporation registered by Felix Manalo in July 27, 1914. "Sole" means only one person is owning the corporation which is Felix Manalo. When Mr. Manalo died, his properties including ownership of the I.N.C. passed to his heirs which are his children. Before Felix Manalo died, he trained his son, Erano, to be his successor. For his part, Erano is training his son, Eduardo, to be the third generation successor to manage properties.

2. Members who died are delisted from the church rolls - There is no difference among those who became cold, or delisted, or expelled, or excommunicated, or being faithful members of the Iglesia Ni Cristo, because if they become inactive, their names are taken off the church rolls. The I.N.C. do not maintain a list of faithful dead members. In accordance with the Iglesia doctrine that those taken off on earth will be also taken off in heaven, then faithful members who died will not be saved.

3. There was no doctrine of Last Messenger of God for seven years from 1914 to 1921 - The doctrine that there is a last messenger of God started only in 1922 in order to quash the revolt by some ministers who accused Felix Manalo of immorality.

4. The name Church of Christ or Iglesia Ni Cristo is not found in the Holy Bible. What is written in Acts 20:28 Lamsa is "church of Christ" not "Church of Christ." The name "church of Christ" is not a particular name of a church.

5. Taking an oath to God is a commandment from Satan because it is prohibited by Christ and the apostles. (Matthew 5:34-37; James 5:12).

6. The worship service of the Iglesia Ni Cristo is a front for brainwashing of members - There is no new lesson being taught in the worship service because the lessons are all rehashes or repetitions of the Iglesia doctrines. The Iglesia is in its 87th year, but, despite the twice a week mandatory worship service, bible lessons about the Israelite's divided kingdoms is not being taught, nor the lives of anyone of the apostles, nor the three journeys of Apostle Paul, nor the purpose of the contributions of the Gentile Christians to Jerusalem, nor the different occupants of heaven such as the Seraphs or Cherubs, nor the history of the Jerusalem temple, nor the lives of the Old Testament prophets.
What is being taught a thousand times in the worship service are: Felix Manalo is the Last Messenger of God; The I.N.C. is the true church; We must not forsake the worship service, Let's not turn back from our calling or else God will not have pleasure in us; We must have strong faith because the Devil, a roaring lion, is seeking members to devour;Let's continue to fulfill our vows to offer thanksgiving to God. Let's continue until the end; Let's obey the church administration;Let's renew our lives;If we will be separated in the Iglesia, we will be gathered as a branch to be thrown into the lake of fire; and other doctrines. The theme of the Iglesia Ni Cristo worship is only one which is - " DON'T LEAVE THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO AND DON'T FORSAKE THE WORSHIP SERVICE OR ELSE WE WILL NOT BE SAVED."

 
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DOMONIC JERRY'S FALSE ACCUSATION TO INC

December 21 2006, 1:41 AM 


YOU FOOL JERRY TWISTED THE TRUE MEANING OF THE CORPORATION SOLE JUST TO MISLEAD THE READERS OF THIS FORUM---ACCUSING BRO. FELIX MANALO OF OWNING THE PROPERTIES OF THE CHURCH. ........FOR YOUR IMFORMATION, THE CORPORATION SOLE IN ITS TRUE ESSENCE, IS AN ECCLESIASTICAL TITLE OR OFFICE GIVEN TO A PERSON WHO OVERSEERS ONE RELIGION ENTITY REGISTERED WITH THE GOVERNMENT. WHILE THE OFFICE OF CORPORATE SOLE HELD TITLE OF THE CHURCH PROPERTIES, THAT PROPERTIES, HOWEVER, DO NOT BELONG OR OWNED BY THE OVERSEER OR CORPORATE SOLE OFFICER PERSONALLY. RATHER, HE HELD THE PROPERTIES IN "TRUST" FOR THE CHURCH. IN THIS SENCE, THE OVERSEER WHO IS THE CORPORATE SOLE OFFICER SERVES ONLY AS A "TRUSTEE" OF THE CHURCH PROPERTIES, NOT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTIES. IN FACT, ALMOST ALL RELIGION ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDING YOUR CATHOLIC CHURCH ARE REGISTERED WITH THE GOVERNMENT AS CORPORATE SOLE. CORPORATE SOLE WAS FIRST USED IN THE FOURTH OR FIFTH CENTURY.

2. JERRY HIMSELF DID NOT PERSONALLY WITNESS THE LIFE OF BRO. FELIX MANALO BETWEEN 1914-1918. HENCE, JERRY'S ALLEGATIONS CONCERNING THE INC DOCTRINES IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME ARE NOT CREDIBLE. ANYWAY, IT'S NONE OF JERRY'S BUSINESS, TO INTERFERE WITH THE MANNER OUR BRO. FELIX MANALO PREACH THE TRUE GOSPEL. IT'S GOD'S WILL AS TO WHEN AND WHAT TEACHINGS SHOULD HIS TRUE MESSENGER PREACH TO MANKIND.

3. ALL OTHER ACCUSSATIONS OF JERRY ARE FALSED AND HAD BEEN ANSWERED OR REFUTED IN THIS FORUM.

 
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Many Members of the Cult of Manalo are Afraid of.....................

July 18 2006, 1:27 AM 

FREEDOM!



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Here's more...to wake you up from cultic hybernation
April 7 2006 at 4:24 AM


In the Shawshank Redemption movie, an old man who had spent all his life in prison was released. He was overtaken by depression and after a few weeks he could not cope with the freedom and hanged himself. The fear of freedom is a psychological condition. Animals who have spent a long time in cage; often do not want to leave it when the cage is opened. To be free requires courage. Those still under the Iglesia cult bondage experience the same.

Many in Iglesia are afraid of freedom. If you think Iglesia holds any truth, show me. I was overtaken by fear despite the fact that I knew Iglesia is a lie. But each time I looked into a mirror I saw a coward and a hypocrite. Finally I decided that is enough of cowardice and hypocrisy. I have known the truth and I am going to spell it out. I wonft let the manipulations of a dead damned false prophet control me. There is no doubt that he was an impostor. He was just a cult leader and a pervert one at that.

Now instead of being a fool, I am enlightened. My life has meaning and I feel invigorated. Iglesia cultic influence is losing while my enlightenment is gaining momentum. I don't want to be a part of the losers. The truth is in my camp and victory is mine. Iglesia is doomed because truth is more powerful than all lies as light is more potent than darkness. If still you think Iglesia ni Manalo is a true religion prove it. If you canft, then leave it. But whatever you do donft be a hypocrite. You live only once. Live with dignity and prove that you are not a sheep of a cult leader but a man of courage and understanding.

If you remain inside that cult, before you die, you will come to your senses and regret having wasted your life with this cult. You will regret for having contributed to an evil force, for being part of the army of darkness and for being the moral support for the bigots who hate other faiths inspired by the cultic doctrines that you uphold. By being an Iglesia you are part of the army of darkness. You are part of the same machinery of hate.

Sorry for this intellectual slap. I think you deserve it. You must be awakened. This slap serves you right. You are a weak man who is afraid to face the truth. You are so brainwashed that you lost your ability to seek the truth. Now your mind is numb and you no more care. You donft give a damn whether your prophet and guru was a liar. You are a disappointment to human race. Are you not ashamed of yourself? You fear confrontation with me because you know too well you have nothing to show forth

As you see freedom from cult is not easy. This maniac Felix devised a mind control system that is frightening. his scare tactics are so terrorizing that most members, brainwashed in this cult are unable to think rationally. Iglesia are victims of a mind control freak.


 
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INC FREEDOM ARE THE WORDS OF GOD

December 21 2006, 1:45 AM 

YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW THE MEANING OF THE CHURCH FREEDOM.

 
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December 21 2006, 6:21 AM 

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THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO'S LIE ABOUT PURGATORY

July 19 2006, 5:30 PM 

July 20 2001 at 2:17 PM
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The Iglesia Ni Cristo also known as Church of Christ of Felix Manalo has an article in their May 2001 God's Message magazine entitled: "Purgatory: an unscriptural belief." Here is what INC Minister Marlex C. Cantur has concluded in his article:

"The Catholic Church's perpetuation of the belief on purgatory may stand to reason. But the undeniable fact remains that purgatory is a dogma taken from tradition and not from the Bible. True Christians can only dismiss such an unfounded belief, as our Lord Jesus Christ Himself instructs those who follow human tradition in place of God's commandments: "You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to traditions of men." (Mk.7:8 New International Version)."

SO THERE IT IS, the Iglesia Ni Cristo teaches there is no purgatory in the Bible. I don't know whether INC Minister Marlex C. Cantur had read the Bible or he had listened only to his departed mentor, Felix Manalo. True, he had investigated and read some writings of men, but what he forgot is the basics of them all---READ THE HOLY BIBLE! Concluding rightaway that there is no purgatory without reading first the Bible shows why all ministers of the Iglesia Ni Cristo are made up robots who depend only on the mouthings of their Manalo mentor. If INC Minister Marlex C. Cantur will only read the Bible, he will realize that there is really a PURGATORY in the Bible. Not only is there purgatory after death but there is also a purgatory for the living, and for this, I bet, INC Minister Marlex C. Cantur has already felt the heat of the purgatory but he can't discern it.

Is there really a purgatory in the Bible? Do not ask Felix Y. Manalo or his son, or their cadres of ministers like INC Minister Marlex C. Cantur because it appears that they are either ignorant of the truth or maybe keeping it secret from the prying eyes of their members. Did Jesus Christ really teach there is purgatory? Yes, absolutely. Let us read the verses:

"There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' Then he said, I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.'" -Luke 16:19-31 NKJV

TAKE NOTE that a purgatory is a temporary place of torment. Therefore, what we have just read is the biblical account of the purgatory which is a place the rich man had been brought to after he died. The beggar Lazarus upon death was carried by angels to the bosom of Abraham. Take note also that the Bible's term for purgatory is Hades as we have read from above, or Sheoul (Isa. 38:18) or pit (Isa. 38:17) or bottomless pit or abyss (Luke 8:31) or lower parts of the earth (Eph. 4:9). Purgatory or Hades is a temporary place because those who are there could be freed by God (Ps. 16:10) and also would be freed during the resurrection of the dead (John 5:28-29). Soon, Purgatory or Hades or death will be destroyed by God (Isa. 25:8; 1 Cor. 15:54).

THE PURGATORY OF THE LIVING:

We have discussed above the purgatory situations of those who die that were not worthy to be brought to the bosom of Abraham. To summarize, upon death there are two sections people go. One is purgatory section of torment (for bad dead people) and another is the section of comfort in the bosom of Abraham (for dead good people). The two sections are separated by wide span of water and only angels have the power to separate the dead souls. Let us next discuss the purgatory on earth in which living people temporarily are placed in torment. Is there really such purgatory place that you and me, still living, can fall into? Yes, absolutely! And it is provided in the Bible, too. Let's read the Holy Scriptures:

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves." -Matthew 23:15 NKJV

As evidenced by the verse, there is a purgatory for the living. What we have just read is the process through which anyone of us can be captured and confined into that purgatory place. Who does the capturing? Who else but the false preacher! Jesus Christ is talking about a false preacher because he speaks about proselytizing or winning or converting people. These false preachers are false because they have one common trait: BEING A HYPOCRITE! They are always moving in land and sea to seek a proselyte or prospect. They are also identified as exhibiting the personalities of Scribes and Pharisees (See previous posting in this board exposing the Iglesia Ni Cristo as present day Pharisees). What is a hypocrite? A hypocrite is one who practices something he is not in order to gain respect, honor, etc., or a mere show of being sincere, virtuous, etc. Another characteristics of the false preacher is that after they have won the proselyte or convert, it will be the start of a hellish life for the convert twice more than the false preacher. In other words, if the false preacher works 100%, his convert will work for 200%. Therefore, the situation for both the false preacher and the convert is in a state of purgatory or place of torment. Any idea of what organization these false preachers belong to? Let's analyze the practices of the Iglesia Ni Cristo.

PRACTICES INSIDE THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO:

Are ministers proselytizing or winning converts proactively? ANSWER: YES

There is daily and hourly indoctrinations and weekly bible expositions in houses of members and in their churches;

Are members mandated by ministers and their church leader to proselytize? ANSWER: YES

All member are required to bear fruit of soul converts and maintain bearing fruits for the rest of their lives;

All members required to bring visitors to all missionary activities;

Are ministers and their church leader feigning and claiming for something they are not? ANSWER: YES

Teaches that Felix Manalo is both an angel and a messenger of God'
Teaches that their ministers and their church administrator are sent by God;
Teaches their church is the only one given the mystery of the Bible by God;
Teaches only their church will be saved by God;
Teaches their church is the body of Christ;
Teaches their church is the only church purchased by the blood of Jesus Christ;
Teaches all preachers of other religions or churches are of the devil;
Teaches it is against God to separate or leave the Iglesia Ni Cristo;
Teaches it is against God to remember the dead love ones but requires remembrance of their departed leader, Felix Manalo in a yearly money thanksgiving service;
Prohibits images of Jesus Christ to adorn homes but approves images of Felix Manalo in their homes, chapel rooms, and in their magazine, Pasugo or God's Message;

Do ministers or their leader order members too much body and financial sacrifices? ANSWER: YES

Body Sacrifices:

Must attend the Thursday and Sunday worship without failure;
Must attend the weekly committee group prayer without failure;
Must attend constant seven days devotional prayers;
Must attend constant meetings;
Must attend all activities of the church;
Must bring viitors (at their own expense) to the bible exposition);
Must work without pay doing administrative, clerical, and manual labors (worship service officiating, guarding, cleaning, etc.) for the benefit of the church.

Financial Sacrifices:

Thurday offerings;
Sunday offerings;
Locale expense offerings (weekly);
July anniversary thanksgiving offerings;
December year end thanksgiving offerings;
(Note: It is prohibited by Manalo to use the monies given to the church as a charitable contribution deduction to member's personal income tax returns. Also, the thanksgiving offerings (July & December) need to abound (increase) yearly to meet God's requirement);
Pasugo or God's Message (monthly obligation);
District offerings (weekly);
Ministerial offerings (weekly);
Out of pocket expenses for the bible exposition food and snacks/drinks/supplies;
Gasoline and toll expenses in going back and forth to the church;

CONCLUSION: The Iglesia Ni Cristo meets all the requirements of having the false preachers including giving hell and placing its members in the purgatory for the living.

FINAL CONCLUSION:

The Iglesia Ni Cristo through ignorance of the purgatory in the Holy Scriptures or knowingly keeping the purgatory's existence for some ulterior motives is spreading the lie that purgatory does not exist. To the contrary, it does exist both underground and above ground in the colony of the living. If the cause of lying is ignorance, it is assumed that this is another evidence or manifestation of Felix Manalo not given the mystery of the Bible and therefore, he is a false messenger of God. On the otherhand, if knowledge is known but is unduly being kept from the members, it is to be assumed that there are ulterior motives for doing so. One motive is that the existence of the purgatory is unquestionably the work of the devil and to divulge it is to divulge the secret work of the Devil in bringing all his converts to that destination. The compelling reason that justify the hiding of the purgatory from the members lies at the very core of the aim and purpose of the false prophet in bringing people to the Iglesia Ni Cristo--a purgatory place for the living where converts to this cult are temporarily housed and confined pending death. The Devil can't wait to have his converts become his company in Hades as well as in the coming perpetual hell thereafter. Now is better than tomorrow. To have them in the purgatory of the living which we now know is the Manalo controlled camp called the Iglesia Ni Cristo, otherwise known as Felix Manalo's Church of Christ.




 
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To WCK

July 21 2006, 9:01 PM 

September 15 2000 at 1:59 AM
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Response to The Truth about Offferings and Attending Worship Services

I was a member for many years in the INC
and the reason I quit and a lot more is
because of "repetetive" doctrines (same sermon,
year in, year out). Intimidation of the member
(suble of course) by dramatizing how Ananias and
Zafira(first century Church of Christ members) who
died suddenly because they hid some of properties
that they agree to give to the Church. The number
one reason why I quit is because the claim that
FYM was "Angel" turned out to be false. I realized
that either FYM was "flaky" or his ministers were
hallocinating when they "believed" that FYM was an
"Angel"....LoL. Baka naman me sayad?? LOL.

 
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Brainwashing/intimidation inside the INC

July 21 2006, 9:04 PM 

September 14 2000 at 1:53 PM
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Way back in 1968,when I was an INC member, we had the usual
Thursday and Sunday worship (sermons). On top of this, we had
this "special service" where a senior Minister would deliver his
sermon to the members. I remember vividly Minister Adonna and
Bros. Lucio Silvestre making such special sermons. I vividly
recall that the usual topic is about tithings. I concluded that
"special worship" (tanging pagsamba) is done when the collection
of shares (abuloy) in a given local has dropped considerably. Its
obvious that this special service was meant to pressure the member to give more (implied of course). To my recollection,
Mr. Adona mentioned that "what if God created us not as men or
woman but like a lizards?". He further stated: "you are lucky
that you were created as men/women and not lizards, otherwise,
you gonna be walking like lizards, eating like lizards" and so
on and so fort. The main event was when Brother Adona concluded
his sermon by saying: "You are lucky that God created you as
humans and you need to show your appreciation of God's wisdom
by worshipping him, by giving more shares and God truly rejoices
when one gives voluntarily to him" and so on and so forth.

How many locales have had this kind of "special service" since
then? But I am sure the goal is the same: a "hold" on the members
and more "shares or tightings" from them (taxes").....LoL.
The INC is a cult since it perverts the bible to advance its
interest, to make one person/family get richer and powerful;
after all, the INC is a "Corporation Sole" and was created for profit and nothing more.


 
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This is the best source for cowards to speak up!

July 24 2006, 2:34 AM 

September 9 2000 at 8:07 AM
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In Internet you can say whatever you want! Truth or lies, it doesn't matter! Nobody knows you anyway, hahahaha! Your credibility will not be questioned because people will just read your posting and not look at your face, who you really are!
So I called this place of cowards and sneaky people because I never knew you guys and never heard from you in the open. Why dont you go and rally in public and denounce that hated INC religion? Why do you have to do it here? When only a handfull of people who could read and know your motives? Is it because you don't have any credentials? or by the time we know you, your cause will no longer be valid because we will finally know who you are and what you did in the church and in your way of life?
Everybody knows that what they did here is futile, in destroying the church. There is nothing that could disrupt the church growth, nothing! And you know that in your heart. You just want to take a chance! You just want to release you anger, and ill feelings here, which is okay! There is nothing wrong to be angry...I just don't know if your anger doesnt reach into hatred...we'll if that is the case, we know who you are already because hatred is of the devil and everybody knows that, no debate for that! But I am very sorry to tell you that you can only do much, my friends! It is God who can help you destroy this Church, if he is in your side. If not, then like what i said your barking will just be wasted. You can never shake the hardcore, the brainwashed, the intelligent, the smart, the fanatics or the ignorant and stupid members of this church. Okay, there are some that you can chop off, those who are weaklings, those who join the church for personal gains, those who like you guys joined the church without understanding it first, and those who are stubborn does not want to be controlled in their evil desires....you know what i mean! Okay these kind of members, you can have them, we don't want them anyway! So i do not say stop! keep going! critics is good! we welcome all your comments and hurt feelings. If there are no critics then that means this church is nothing, it doesnt make a treat, why waste our time for something that is nothing! So since we are so dedicated to inform the people about this church...hmmmm something strange, something to ponder about! Have a nice day guys!


 
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And how can we be so sure that we will live until we reach our oldies days

July 25 2006, 3:04 AM 

after "speaking up" without being murdered by the thugs of manalo? remember Ross Tipon's case?

 
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is he murdered yet ?

July 25 2006, 3:52 AM 

too much drama of the cultic, please give us humans a break!

 
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Dont you have any plan?

July 25 2006, 4:06 AM 

Look at the demeanor of your cult brethen in this forum. They threaten, they curse, etc.

 
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Why I am an INC member

July 25 2006, 6:04 PM 

September 25 2000 at 10:17 PM
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Some people call me closed minded, brainwashed, stupid, ignorant, etc because I am an INC. Here I am, still with happy attitude. I don't mind them really because I enjoy being an INC.

1. In INC, there is security. As long as I am listed in the church registry, I am listed in the Book Of Life.

2. In INC, there is freedom. I can do anything I want as long I attend the worship service regulary and give regularly. You can see me often in strip bars with my brothers. We also talk about it after worship service and not worry about anything. I can read pornographic magazines and share it with brothers and sisters with no feeling of shame. I am not worried about our minister. He shares with us some dirty jokes. I drink a lot too and nobody would mind.

3. In INC, there is no politics. I don't have to worry about politics. I don't have to know the character or qualifications of any candidate. The administration does it for me. Saves me the trouble, right?

4. In INC, there is protection. I can call on my brothers to clobber any non-INC who tries to harm me or my family. Even my name cards in front of the chapel are being guarded so that no one can turn it over except myself.

5. INC cares for members. Members are awarded certificate of attendance if they attended another locale. This certificate shows that the member did not miss attendance. Even giving of offerings are personalized service. The deacon will be standing right in front of me with a small sack to collect. And if I don't drop anything, he knows that I have no money and will visit me next day and tell me where to borrow money. He knows generous members.

These are some of the attributes of INC that are envied by other churches.

 
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Being an INC

September 7 2006, 2:48 AM 

I am a INC member,
and proud to be one,
trying to prove people.
But it dosen't matter what other people
think of my religon, its what I think of
my religon. I am in the book of life (:

 
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INC, IRS & Sole Corporation

July 25 2006, 8:00 PM 

September 1 2000 at 5:38 PM
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Following IMOR's suggestion to read the IRS code dealing with "Other 501(c)(3) Organizations," this is found under the subheading "Religious Organizations:"

"To determine whether an organization meets the religious purposes test of section 501(c)(3), the IRS maintains two basic guidelines:

1.That the particular religious beliefs of the organization are truly and sincerely held, and
2.That the practices and rituals associated with the organization's religious belief or creed are not illegal or contrary to clearly defined public policy."

IMOR, please consider these questions:

1.Is it an INC practice/ritual to not only endorse political candidate(s), but to instruct/require INC members to vote for the endorsed candidate(s)?
2.According to U.S. law (public policy), is it legal for a non-profit organization, such as the INC, to be politically active or involved, to the extent at which the INC block votes/endorses candidates for public office?

Regarding the issue of the INC's status as a corporation vs. a sole corporation, there is some extremely interesting material contained in "A HISTORICO-CRITICAL STUDY ON THE IGLESIA NI KRISTO" by Rev. Manuel P. Alonso, Jr., A.B., Lic.S.Th. This was published by U.S.T. Press operated by Novel Publishing Co., Inc. Manila, Philippines 1959. Chapter 11 deals with "THE ORGANIZATION OF THE IGLESIA NI KRISTO" and cites the ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION OF THE IGLESIA NI KRISTO (Appendix A) as saying "...Sobre: Conversion de la Sociedad Ilamada Iglesia ni Kristo a Corporacion Unipersonal." Further on in the document this is found:

"Que el solicitante es el Pastor de la Sociedad denominada 'IGLESIA NI KRISTO' y que es su deseo convertirla en corporacion unipersonal.

"Que las reglas y disciplina de la referida sociedad no se oponen a que elle se convierta en corporacion unipersonal, ni lo prohiben."

At the bottom of the document it appears:

"Soy Obediente Servidor
(Fdo.) FELIX MANALO"

Because I am not fluent in Spanish/Filipino, I can only rely on Rev. Alfonso's translation as it reads in Chapter 11 of his study. Here is what he writes:

"In contrast to the democratic practice of distributing the different powers of a government of a society to different agencies for execution, the Iglesia ni Kristo is a highly centralized society which has the legislative, judicial and executive functions concentrated in, and excercised by one and the same person, the Supreme Brother or Executive Minister who is at present FELIX MANALO himself. This set-up naturally flows from the nature of the sect since it was registered as a Corporation Sole. A Corporation Sole is defined by Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (5th edition) as a body politic or corporate formed and authorized by law to act as a single person and endowed by law with capacity of succession. It can be easily understood therefore, why MANALO assumed the three functions of the Iglesia ni Krito."

Further, Rev. Alonso cites another thesis by STA. ROMANA, JULITA REYES (The University of Manila, July, 1955) wherein it states:

"The central office frankly admitted that in the absence of written laws and by-laws, the officers are guided by the orders of the Executive Minister because the members sincerely believe that Manalo is divinely guided and therefore can do nothing wrong."

It is extremely interesting that the INC Articles of Incorporation dated July 24, 1914, registered on July 27, 1914, and filed with the Securities Exchange Commission (Philippines) on July 29, 1946 (original records were destroyed in the war)
AT FIRST had the INC organized as a corporation. Under this setup all INC property (including $$$) belonged to the Iglesia Ni Cristo, not to Felix Manalo. HOWEVER, on the same day of incorporation, Manalo singlehandedly changed the INC into a "CORPORATION UNIPERSONAL" or as it is known in English: Corporation Sole. The "Conversion of the Society Named Iglesia Ni Kristo in a Corporation Sole" was filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, dated July 24, 1914 and registered July 27, 1914.

I do not have the actual articles of incorporation/sole corporation, however, I'm certain that you may know how to obtain these from the Securities and Exchange (Philippines). You have shown your diligence in obtaining the Hawaii documentation.

Finally, IMOR, I have observed through your submissions on this board that you genuinely are searching for the truth. Sure, you and the others may have become too defensive in the process. Don't let that detract you from your search...after all, your eternal life depends on the TRUTH. Keep searching and quite possibly you may also become a "discoverer"!

 
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The fact about Xmas....

July 25 2006, 11:40 PM 

October 4 2000 at 8:45 PM
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The INC does not celebrate the birth of Christ. Because RCC and the rest of the world is already doing it, why copy. Also, no one knows when Christ was born of the year, month and date. This is part of a church lesson right around November approaching Christmas.

However, there is a big celebration whenever FYM or the Son has their birth days. A special offering is made and a lesson about the greatness of the last messenger is presented. The one who suppose to emerge around 1914 AD. With a little calculation, the birth of Christ would be around Jan 1,0000. The fact is, he was born therefore he has a birthday. Why can't the INC celebrate it along with the rest of the world to promote PEACE as they all do.

Also, many members practically, during Xmas time, practice gift giving and receiving? They practice it with r co-workers, families and friends. The INC advices, just say thank you and say sorry we do not practice Xmas. Why not have the members write in their forehead "thank you I don't practice Xmas and I don't accept gifts".

The conflict? The birthdays of the Manalos are more celebrated than our saviour.

 
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FYM THE PSYCHIC

July 30 2006, 9:57 PM 

October 18 2000 at 10:30 PM
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Praise be to our Great Leader FYM and his son Erdie! Now the mystery has been revealed to us. Our great and honest leader FYM possessed psychic power so great that he was able to communicate with the Big Four through mental telepathy. It was also thru this power that he studied in the Pacific School of Religion.

My INC brethren, blood and flesh did not reveal this to us but through the spirit of our beloved FYM who continually communicate with his beloved son Erdie.

Let us rejoice my INC brethren to this manifestation of power. And those who continually abide with INC can also experience this mental phenomena. It is happening right now! Read all the INC posts and you will see the changing of their attitude. Some have turned psychos, I mean psychic. This is a fulfillment of the
prophecy uttered by our beloved FYM: "Time will come that the promised mental power will be given unto you. You will speak in twisted tongues to glorify me. Your minds will be set to defend me. Whatever you say will be a reflection of my wisdom."

But unto the son (Erdie) he says: "INC is your throne forever and ever." To which of any INC member he said: "You are my son, today you will inherit the INC corporation sole."?

The hope of FYM's promise is now a reality. INC members will speak strange words as a result of mental state change. Soon we will be able to fly! We will be like an EAGLE. What a glorious day that will be!

My INC brethren, continue in the faith that was once handed down to us by FYM. Keep reaching deep in your pockets until you reach divine reward.

May the grace of FYM and his sons be with you.

 
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July 30 2006, 10:11 PM 

October 20 2000 at 4:05 PM
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Isn't curious how much energy Rob is spending posting to this forum. He thinks that his message will gain interest throught Web, but he has not been able to truly convince anyone one way or the other. Anyone who supported him was there from the beginning and would be there for anyone anti-iglesia and vocal as Rob. anyway.

Any INC that may have changed their mind would probably have changed it regardless anyway. Whether it was "Rob", "Bob", "Sue" or whoever may try to sway them. They were going to do that anyway. And if they find another religion, who's to say they won't eventually find fault with it and change their mind again.

Any INCs that really believes in the church's teachings probably will come away from this board feeling even better about their faith. Maybe they will go away more resolved than ever to continue. How does that help Rob?

Let's ask ourselves and Rob, why so much hatred in this one so-called false religion? Aren't there real cults in the world that you could be helping dismantle? Or is it that you've let your personal experiences rule your current actions.

Rob, if you really are against religions interpretting the Bible, do you even believe in organized religion? or the Bible? If not, you really can't bringing up the subjects. If you have a belief, would it hold up to your own scrutiny? Or the scrutiny of others? If not, why focus so much on this forum.

I hope you don't have a family yourself, because they must really be scared being with someone so obsessed.

Peace brother...


 
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INC - Brilliant Strategy

July 30 2006, 10:16 PM 

October 20 2000 at 9:33 AM
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TO ALL,

We have just seen on this board the INC Stragegy applied in the internet.

In debates, INC usually make noises and cause disruption when their minister is unable to respond or gets back into a corner. This prevents the exposure of the "truth" of INC teachings.

Here in this forum, they have cluttered the board with non-sense posts, again, in an attempt to disrupt.

More importantly, some INC folks are telling their bretheren to ignore the posts in this board because they are being made by deceived people anyway. INC is working overtime to keep their members from being exposed to the truth. The INC are saying that all the questions posted here can be answered by the ministers. Morevoer, posters here are not able to go face to face with the INC ministers.

My friends, this is yet another INC tactic to keep its members from knowing the truth. This board is not a waste of time. If we care for the INC and all the lost people we should continue to proclaim the truth in LOVE.

If even one INC questions his/her faith and come to know the truth it will be worth it. There is no humiliation too great, nor rejection too strong to be paid as a price for the salvation of single soul.

To the INC I say this, you are to be ready to defend your faith any time any where. Your leaders do not want you to know the truth, that's why they don't want you in this forum.

Things may repeat but truth is worht repeating. TRUTH ALSO HURTS INC.

Lets'get going.

servant

P.S.

to the forum administrator

It would be good idea to delete the clearly derogatory post. I'm sure you can tell the difference.




 
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It is NOT the TRUTH that hurts. It is the SHATTERING OF LIES that hurts.

July 31 2006, 4:30 AM 


It hurts when you disovered that your cherished beliefs in the INM are pure 100% LIES.

 
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COL KUMAG IS SHOWN IN THIS THREAD AS A DIEHARD INC DEFENDER

June 26 2014, 4:53 PM 

what's funny is Colonel Kumag and Colonel Mr. Judie are probably the same person, arguing against himself in this network54 forum if Jesus is God or not God.

it would really be funny if Colonel Kumag is USAF Veteran Airforce Bob Pellien, since Airforce Pellien likes to make printouts of pages in this Network54 forum and even have them professionally compiled in a protective hardbound cover. lol

we wonder if Airforce Pellien ships his compiled hardbound covered printouts of pages of this network54 forum to Eduardo Villanueva Manalo, and if this is happening, then Eduardo Manalo has full knowledge of the illegal violent Human Trafficking performed in iglesia ni cristo chapel grounds in California by INC Minister Renato Norona and INC southern/central california Head Deacons Jesse Proceso Coronel, Juan Castaniaga, Jun Viloria, and Francisco Viloria,.... and with INC Head Deacon Manolito Corpuz (nephew of INC USA pioneer minister Paul Membrere) and INC Head Deacon Nathaniel Nerona assisting INC Minister Renato Norona in keeping the illegal violent Human Trafficking acts to be quiet on iglesia ni cristo chapel grounds.

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Re: COL KUMAG IS SHOWN IN THIS THREAD AS A DIEHARD INC DEFENDER

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INVENTION

August 2 2006, 11:43 PM 

September 11 2001 at 7:40 PM
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The INC term is INVENTION!!!

If the INC does not tell you the truth then they make an INVENTION.

After FYN got kicked out from the SDA he needed a new job. So what did he do? He INVENTED the INC.

To legitimize his authority what did FYM do? He INVENTED the title LAST MESSENGER OF GOD.

Since he was not well versed and educated, he made with his title a great mistake. Who was the first to use this title? Muhammad, the last messenger of God.

What have both (FYM and Muhammad) in common?

- they do not recognize Christ as God's son
- they do not accept that the Israelites are the people of God
- they do not listen to what the Bible say

Why?
- they have the same father



 
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ANOTHER CONFIRMED

August 4 2006, 11:46 PM 

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Hello Mark please allow me to provide this in support of your post.

At the early worship service this morning, the Minister stated "too many individuals are leaving" the chosen church Iglesia Ni Cristo. He stated the detractors are influencing too many and they are leaving the sanctuary of the CHOSEN CHURCH.
THATS the reason for the MAJOR DRIVE being initiated by the INC.
Lets face facts... They don't trust the BRETHREN. Thats why they demand a name and address for each pamphlet being issued tot he Brethren. NO TRUST, THEY DON'T TRUST THEIR OWN. SAD but its a fact.
That signal tell many of us the INTERNET is having a MAJOR EFFECT and its starting to show.
UNITY in Iglesia Ni Cristo??? NO!!
TRUST IN INC?? NO!!
More to follow soon.


ERANO G. MANALO UNVEILS ANOTHER SADISTIC COMMAND
July 21 2001 at 10:54 PM
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Mark

Last Thursday,July 19,2001,the Iglesia Ni Cristo's worship service was turned into a worship service
reading and listening to the pastoral letter of Erano G. Manalo addressed to all INC members scattered
throughout the world. Erano G. Manalo is the current Chief Executive Minister of the Iglesia Ni Cristo
church. The letter marks the beginning of another new command and added new responsibility to every
member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo. Being a sadistic leader, Erano G. Manalo has totally changed the
atmosphere inside the Iglesia Ni Cristo from one that is less burdensome under the reign of his father,
Felix Manalo, to the most unprecedented burdensome stewardship in the Iglesia Ni Cristo history.

EGM's new sadistic command to INC members:

THOU SHALT GIVE ME REGULARLY NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF 2-5 NON-IGLESIA PEOPLE WHOM YOU WILL DELIVER THE PAMPHLET "LAST HOPE FOR MANKIND" AND THOU SHALT REPORT TO LOCALLY ASSIGNED MINISTERS THE PROGRESS OF SUCH NAMES WHETHER THEY HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO FOLD."

"START DATE OF THIS COMMAND: JULY 27,2001 (FRIDAY). ON THIS DAY, IN ORDER TO COMMEMORATE THE 87TH ANNIVERSAY OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO-CHURCH OF CHRIST, MEMBERS ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL DISTRIBUTE THE PAMPHLET (THE LAST HOPE FOR MANKIND) HOUSE TO HOUSE, STREET TO STREET, ANDIN ALL PLACES WHERE PEOPLE COULD BE FOUND AS A WAY OF GIVING BACK THE BLESSINGS OF GOD RECEIVED BY EVERY MEMBER OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO,THUS, IN THIS WAY
PEOPLE WILL BE SNATCH FROM FIRE IN THE COMING JUDGMENT DAY."

SO ORDERED. SO IT SHALL BE DONE!"

Another burden. Another yoke placed on the shoulders of every Iglesia Ni Cristo. With it comes the consequent devotional prayers again and more devotional prayers later to a God that does not seem to get tired of hearing to the repeated prayers. It should be remembered that EGM was also instrumental in
converting the annual thanksgiving with monies into semi-annual. December thanksgiving becomes July
and December thanksgivings. Members had to shell out extra monies for the so-called anniversary and
remembrance of the late so-called Messenger of God, Felix Manalo.

The uncomplaining members who are taught to be docile and to obey always whatever is the command of the administrator of the Church of Christ have no recourse but to obey. There is no way that they will be set free from the debilitating effects of the twice a week brainwashing in the guise of worship service.

Erano G. Manalo has particularly singled out a command enunciated by Jesus Christ as the reason why every member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo should obey the implementation of the pamphlet distribution:

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then
the end will come." (Matthew 24:14 NKJV)

Erano G. Manalo also stressed the consequences for not adhering or complying to this evangelizing command which is that Christ will not save them from the wrath of God because they have not been justified by the blood of Christ due to their disobedience:

"Much more then,having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him."
(Rom.5:8 NKJV)

However, for those members who obey shall have ocntinuous hold of eternal life, thus he cited the
following verses:

"Let them do good,that they be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share, storing up for
themselves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life." (1
Tim.6:18-19)

As stated by the verse,Manalo reminded eternal life could slip from their hands and it will be
catastrophic.

EGM admonished all members to embrace this work of salvation because the end of the world is very
close.

Why is the Iglesia Ni Cristo hurrying and pushing its more than two million members into the work of
converting people to become Iglesia members? Could this Iglesia Ni Cristo's work has relevance to the
devil's wrath written in the Book of Revelation?

"Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the
sea! For the devil has come down to you having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short
time." (Rev. 12:12 NKJV)

The Iglesia Ni Cristo whose doctrines are lately being found to be wholesale trickeries to the greatest
magnitude has the power to unseat any power or government on earth. Secret agendas can be passed
to its worldwide members via its mandatory twice a week worship service in addition to the scheduled weekly committee group prayers in members homes. It is about time that the government of all lands that it had taken foothold should start to review the operation of this cult being operated under the guise of religion. Due to its strictest policy of non disclosure of its finances, members are not aware or are vulnerable to the scams and illegal trepidations being practiced by this cult. In such case,victimized members as well as non members who could fall victims need the protection of the government of the land.

 
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FELIX Y. MANALO BELONGS TO AN ISLAMIC CULT

August 5 2006, 12:19 AM 

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Felix Y. Manalo is not a Christian. He had converted to the Islam faith, the religion of all Muslims. However, his Islamic faith should be described as a cult, a deviation or perversion of Islam. Just like Osama bin Laden, the chief executive of the Al Qaeda terrorist organization who had perverted the teachings of Islam, Felix Y. Manalo had perverted the Islamic faith by organizing an Islamic cult called the Iglesia ni Cristo.

What are the teachings of Islam? Islam is about the five pillars of Muslim Law which are:

1. Witness to the oneness of God (Allah) and Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of God;
2. Ritual prayer (zalat);
3. Social taxation (zakat);
4. Fasting on Ramadan;
5. Pilgrimage to Mecca

Why is the Islamic faith of Felix Y. Manalo cultic? It is because he had changed and modified the five pillars of Islam. Although he teaches the oneness of Allah, he had kicked out the Prophet Muhammad as the messenger of God and placed himself in Muhammad's place.

The ritual prayer (zalat) had been converted into chapel devotional prayers, committee prayers, and family prayers. The true zalat should be Friday noon communal prayer at the Mosque, five personal prayers each day (al-fajr, al-zuhr, al-'asr, al-ghrib, al-isha), and two festival prayers ( after pilgrimage and after Ramadan).

The genuine Islam zakat (offerings) is for the support of the poor (Quran 2:71, 30:38; 51:16-19; 74:38-56; 9:60). Felix Y. Manalo had modified zakat into other than supporting the poor people (business ventures, Iglesia propagation, family and associates enrichment). Here is what the Quran says about the genuine use of zakat:

"The freewill offerings are for the poor and needy, those who work to collect them, those whose hearts are brought together, the ransoming of slaves, debtors, in God's way, and the traveller, so God ordains; God is All-knowing, All-wise." (Quran 9:60)

It is explicit from the above words of Allah that zakat or freewill offerings (thanksgivings) are for the poor and needy. It is to be used also to pay those who collect them (deacons and deaconesses), for slaves, debtors, and the travellers (don't have a home or squatters). Clearly, it is seen how Muslim Felix Y. Manalo has diverted the thanksgiving offerings because he has not been paying the deacons and deaconesses, nor giving housing to the squatters of Manila. There are many poor people (Iglesia/non-iglesia)in the Philippines that are being neglected by Manalo.

What is most detestable of Felix Y. Manalo's Islamic faith is that he had removed the two pillars of Islam which are the Ramadan fasting and the pilgrimage to Mecca. Instead, Felix Manalo had replaced these two pillars with Pillar of Obedience to the Church Administration and the Pillar of Spreading the Manalo Faith. Had Felix Y. Manalo gone to Mecca during his purported American trip? Maybe he did as a Muslim. But he might have gone there only once in his lifetime. Although Felix Y. Manalo is a Muslim, he had made Islam a hostage by declaring fatwa that all faiths except the Iglesia ni Cristo are of Satan. He had also declared jihad to convert all people into the Iglesia ni Cristo organization.

Based on the above, Muslim Felix Y. Manalo's Iglesia ni Cristo organization is an Islamic cult. Unfortunately, Felix Y. Manalo and son could not be expelled from the Muslim faith because there is no expulsion in the Islam faith. Only that he is considered an infidel who had drawn away from the teachings of Allah. Infidels will surely go to Hell.

 
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Canadiana, I want to become INC member...

August 5 2006, 8:07 PM 

July 23 2001 at 4:17 PM
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However, before I proceed, I would like to ask the following questions:

1. Who is the head of the Church of Christ or Iglesia Ni Cristo?

2. If Christ is the head of the INC, which one do you follow, Jesus Christ or your Manalo leader?

3. If your church follow Christ, why does your church disobey Christ's command not to swear at all?

4. Why does your church refuse to give members a report on how every centavos or cents are spent by your church?

5. Why does members turn their nametags before worshipping God?

6. Why does your church forbid members from marrying non members? Is it not that forbidding to marry is a doctrine of the devil?

7. If worse come to worse, and your church sells all its buildings and properties, will members get a portion of the cash generated by the sales of the assets?

8. Is membership in your church a guaranty for salvation? If not, what works should members do to assure being saved?

9. Why do you change what is written in the bible, e.g. church of Christ being changed into Church of Christ?

10. What is the biblical basis for your constant devotional prayers?

11. Why did you build a fixed tabernacle structure? I understand that the tabernacle of Moses is not permanent structure but movable from place to place.

12. Is there any biblical basis in the New Testament that orders the building of chapels or houses of worship?

13. Why did you add offerings in 1 Cor. 14:26?

14. Why does your church has many money requirements such as weekly depositing of thank monies, weekly locale offerings, twice a week offerings, Pasugo, district offerings, weekly ministerial offerings, and others?

15. Why is there compulsory worship in your church every Thursdays and Sundays? Why do members go to hell if they miss one worship service?

16. Why do you say members of your church have eternal life when one of requirements in John 17:3 is to believe Jesus Christ os one sent by God (not Manalo)?

17. Why don't you help many poor members of your church?

18. Why do you segregate men and women in your worship service?

19. Why do members forced to invite people to the Iglesia bible exposition. Why can't your ministers go out themselves instead of burdening members in the propagation of your church? Are members of your church therefore also are ministers going out to the whole world in preaching the gospel?

20. Why do you lock the doors of your church during worship? Are you scared of people bursting in?

21. Why don't you pay salaries or wages to your deacons and deaconess in your church?

22. Why do you prohibit members from going to visit their dead relatives on All Souls Day?

23. Why does your church enforces that all members be listed in the church but when they die they are delisted? Does your church keep a listing of dead faithful members?

24. Why does your church has 28 indoctrination lessons to undergo in order to be saved but the apostles needed only few minutes to convert an unbeliever?

25. Why does your church needs thanksgiving monies every July and December?

26. Which is really the body of Christ? People or Church of Christ?

27. Why does your church do not have fulfillment verses for the prophecies of Felix Manalo, such as Isaiah 43:5-6, Isa 46:11, Zech 13:8-9, John 10:16, Rev 7:2-3?

These are only few of the questions I have on mind. Please provide answers please so that I can start to be indoctrinated and become member of your church.

Thank You.

 
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Is the INC in violation of the law?

August 5 2006, 8:25 PM 

July 28 2001 at 1:34 PM
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In order for a church to remain tax-exempt, some of the conditions it must do is:

1. Provide its contributors tax receipts for donations above a certain amount; for example,$75 a year

2. Give extensive charity to low income and needy individuals and families

3. Not to get involved in politics and in influencing legislation

4. Maintain an output above its disbursement quota(typically 80% of total income); that means at least
80 percent of its total income must go to helping the needy and church operation(buildings, publications, proselytization but exluding salaries and other monies payment to church officers and leaders.


Does the INC issue receipt to its members, if in fact it has a tax-exempt status in North America?

Does the INC influence its members by telling them which policiticians they shold vote for?

At any rate, here are the numbers, its toll-free:

In Canada 1-800-267-2384 (charities division)

In the U.S. 1-800-829-0433 (tax fraud)

 
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the barriotic styles of INC when cornered

August 6 2006, 2:17 PM 

December 3 2004 at 6:28 AM
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the whole humanity is really amused how INC defends itself by "describing other religions".

As if this Iglesian-cult is really admitting publicly that it does NOT have a substance of its own.



TO DRAMATIZE THEIR STUPID, WISHY-WASHY WAY OF REPLYING:

Policeman: May i please know your name?

Iglesian: I am not Pedro.

Policeman: I mean, please tell me your name.

Iglesian: I am not Jose.

Policeman: Can you not understand me? anyway, i will go to that question later on. For now, may i know where you live?

Iglesian: I do not live here. And they are my enemies. They are telling lies about me!

Policeman: Please. Please. may i know where you live? I mean, what is your address? And do not tell me about your enemies. I am not asking you to describe to me your enemies.

Iglesian: No, they are my enemies! And I do not live in their house. You see, they are really my enemies. Because I am not like them. And because I am not like them, surely they are bad!

Policeman: Ok, maybe you are deaf, dumb or simply stupid. So may i just know, i mean to simplify everything, may you please tell me anything about yourself.

Iglesian: ok. ok. i will tell you. please listen. This is me. I am not Pedro. I am not Jose. I do not live here and I do not live in their house and they are bad!

Policeman: I am confused. Please make yourself clear.

Iglesian: "just go to the nearest locale and ask the INC Minister there"

 
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Joint evil forces above against Iglesia Ni Cristo...

August 16 2006, 2:19 AM 

Still you can't bring the true church down. Will you not ever feel the power of God and Our Lord Jesus Christ?

 
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ARE IGLESIA DEAD, DEAD IN CHRIST OR DEAD IN MANALO?

August 23 2006, 10:21 PM 

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Manalo has been brainwashing his Iglesia ni Cristo converts that they will be saved on Judgment Day using 1 Thess". 4:16:

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first." (1 Thess 4:16 NKJV)

The problem is, are these faithful Iglesia members being deceived by Manalo OR NOT? Particularly, are they really dead in Christ OR DEAD IN MANALO? This is what we will study in this article.

How can anyone be "in Christ"? The word "in Christ" denotes being "in.". Who are those considered as "in"? Let's read:

"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day." (Jn6:44 NKJV)

The verse answered the question. Being "in" Christ necessitates the hand of God in drawing them to be in. The end result of being "in" is the raising up of them on the last day or Judgment Day.

MANALO HAS SHIPWRECKED THE SALVATION OF INC MEMBERS

What is the work of Manalo about? It is backwards. Rather than God who draws, it is Manalo who draws and forces his victims. Manalo instructs his ministers to indoctrinate and get people to be placed inside his Iglesia cult. The Manalo weapon being used to capture his victims is his gospel book titled Fundamental Beliefs of the INC. Rather than drawing to Christ, he is drawing them to his Iglesia ni Cristo. What is the result of this? Manalo had shipwrecked the salvation of his converts because his converts are not in Christ but in Manalo. If they die in Manalo, will they be raised on the last day? No. Only the dead in Christ will be raised up. What about the dead in Manalo? It's only in the book of Manalo that says they will go to heaven. In the Bible, those people who are not drawn in by God to Christ that includes the dead in Manalo will be raised up also but only after 1,000 years which is the second resurrection destined for damnation in the lake of fire (John 5:29; Rev 20:14).

ANOTHER REASON WHY INC MEMBERS ARE NOT IN CHRIST

If we will read Roman 8:1, which is another salvation anchor being used deceitfully by Manalo to shipwreck the salvation of his converts, we see another proof that INC cult members are not in Christ. Why? Let's read the verse:

"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." (Rom 8:1 NKJV)

Rightaway, INC cult members are condemned because Manalo's members are not in Christ Jesus but in Manalo's Church of Christ. "In Christ Jesus" is different from "in Church of Christ." Supposing that Manalo using the deception tricks of his devil master will mumble, "although we are in Church of Christ we are also in Christ Jesus? Shall we buy his lie? No! Rom 8:1 has also a condition. The condition being, if you are in Christ Jesus, you must not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. What does walking in the flesh mean? It means sinning (Rom 8:10). Therefore, Manalo is caught in his lie. His cult members are habitual sinners as they confess always for their sins every Thursday and Sunday whenever they worship their INC idol. If they are confessed sinners, then, they walk according to the flesh and do not qualify to be in Christ Jesus.

What if Manalo will order his cult members not to confess their sins anymore in order to meet the condition of Apostle Paul? Farfetch from ever happening, but, what if Manalo will bite the double bladed sword of Jesus? "Dino, you can't catch us now because we don't sin anymore! Watch our worship services, not one of my head deacons confess for sins committed, heh heh."

Do you think Manalo can slither away? Not quite! A simple inquiry will struck him paralyzed: "Manalo, are you now throwing out your being in Church of Christ label? If so, why do you still believe the wrong person. Why are you still a believer of Felix Manalo and his false gospel indoctrination handbook? Now, Manalo, tell me, who is the true Savior, Lord Jesus Christ or Lord Church of Christ? If you have the Spirit of Christ, why don't you give liberty (2Cor 3:17), e.g. liberty in attending or not attending the worships; liberty in giving or not giving of thanksgiving offerings; liberty in propagation of the INC cult; liberty in marrying non INC members, etc.,?"

 
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Merry Christmas to all Christians. Merry Felixmas to all Iglesias.

August 29 2006, 7:39 PM 

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May Christ bless you all Christians for remembering him on his birth on earth.

May Felix Manalo bless you all Iglesias for remembering him for your second thanksgiving day.


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Romanong Pagano
Thanks, Pagans


VoiceintheWilderness
Contrary to your accusations, it's the pagans like you who refuse to remember the birth of Jesus, yet they have no problems remembering the birth of Felix Manalo.

We know to the INCs Felix Manalo is superior to Jesus.

Felix Manalo claims to be an angel, while accuses Jesus of being only a man.


bluedolphin

First of all, Hello!= )

Now, i'd lyk to ask you to do me a favor....could you please post an evidence that it is written in the bible that the Lord Jesus Christ was born on december 25? I could really use proof. We members of the INC celebrate the birth of christ, EVERYDAY of our lives while praying in the morning and thanking Him for being our savior. We also celebrate His Death, EVERYDAY of our lives bec. we know that it is for US that he died. Last I heard, in the past decades, Jesus' birthday have been debated to be on March, April, even Febraury and September... I wonder what is the EXACT date He was born and why on earth would such date be nowhere in the bible?

We have never put Bro. Felix Manalo superior to Jesus. It may sound like that to you, bec. you've been reading so many accusations to the INC and all you see is what they are trying to tell about our church. And maybe thats all you want to see. But are you sure it's true? and if you do agree, do you truly understand the teachings of our church? Maybe you look at the surface too much that you can't have the guts to investigate whats inside. Why not ask God to guide you? Don't laugh,(you didn't succeed-I am not mad). i just find it very uneducational to accuse and judge a religion (or anyone for that matter) when you don't have a clear ground. Oh! maybe you'd say you were an x-member of the church? Well then, it only goes to show that you did not recieve the truth that was right infront of you.

The INC holds that JESUS IS MAN. But we have never held that Jesus is ONLY man. He is a man in nature, but no ordinary man, for God has blessed Him and ordered people to praise and worship Him, not bec. Christ is God, but bec. He is the blessed son of God. If you do care to listen you will know that we uphold Jesus in the manner taught by the bible....even more clear than other religious sectors. I do hope, just like the members of the INC, that you read the bible.

I do hope you find it in your heart to further explore the doktrines held by the INC. You can go to any chapel and ask the ministers about our beliefs. Don't be afraid bec. we do not harm people. We are calm and never have we insulted a religion in an uncivilized manner.

Thank you and God bless.


VoiceintheWilderness
If Felix Manalo was God's last messenger, why doesn't he know when Jesus was born?
He doesn't know and you guys don't know because God never commissioned Felix Manalo his last messenger.

Where in the bible does it say that God commissioned Felix Manalo?

bluedolphin
THANK YOU

Why doesn't Bro. Felix Manalo know the birth date of Christ? Bec. it is not written in the bible. Whatever reasons of God there may be that he did not allow Christ's bdate to be written in the bible is for Himself alone. Isn't it more important to celebrate the reason why Christ died? And what would that reason be? Call me offensive but, It's for US he died. And we celebrate that EVERYDAY OF OUR LIVES.

Where in the bible does it say that God commissioned Bro. Felix Manalo? In so many verses, though not written with his exact name, are proofs that point out he is the accomplishment of God's words. But that wouldn't be convincing to you, right? I don't think any of my explanations would... But why not try going face-to-face with a minister of the INC? If you want, you can go to any of our chapels, and the ministers will gladly answer your question in complete detail. It's not that i can't answer your questions. Why ask a simple member if you can go straight to those who we believe can teach God's words? Now, to accept the explanation would be your own free will. But then, that would be a waste of time for you, right? Then i guess those questions of yours will remain questions.

Have your own very merry christman....and a happy new year.= )


VoiceintheWilderness
Agree that Jesus prophesied about Felix Manalo.

Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 25:24-25; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18).

The fact that he wasn't commission, then he's a false prophet and false teacher Jesus warned us about.

Even now Erano G. Manalo a lawyer and unordained himself ordain INC ministers. He's a phony who makes phony ministers.

That would like printing US$100 bills without authority from the U.S. government.


Melfice
Merry Felixmas to all the Manalistas

Manalistas,

Don't think of celebrating Felixmas with gifts under the tree and fine turkey on the table like those fine folks who celebrate Christmas and the birth of Christ. Heck, all that money you give to Manalo will deprive you of such a privilege. Manalo claims to be have been an "eagle" -- he's actually more like a VULTURE that feeds off the Iglesias. He's nearly as bad as American blacks who live off welfare.


VoiceintheWilderness
Is this song pagan?


Oh Holy Night

Oh holy night!
The stars are brightly shining
It is the night of the dear Savior's birth!
Long lay the world in sin and error pining
Till he appear'd and the soul felt its worth.
A thrill of hope the weary world rejoices
For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn!

Fall on your knees
Oh hear the angel voices
Oh night divine
Oh night when Christ was born
Oh night divine
Oh night divine

Led by the light of Faith serenely beaming
With glowing hearts by His cradle we stand
So led by light of a star sweetly gleaming
Here come the wise men from Orient land
The King of Kings lay thus in lowly manger
In all our trials born to be our friend.

Truly He taught us to love one another
His law is love and His gospel is peace
Chains shall He break for the slave is our brother
And in His name all oppression shall cease
Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus raise we,
Let all within us praise His holy name.


Is remembering the birth of our Lord pagan?

 
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CHRONICLES OF IGLESIA NI CRISTO EVIL TEACHINGS

August 31 2006, 5:30 PM 


This is a new series on the evil teachings possessed by this Philippine established membership cult of Felix Y. Manalo. We will expose the many evil teachings being enforced by the Manalo leader to his members of this dangerous Iglesia ni Cristo cult.

EVIL TEACHING #1:

"Remain in the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ), obedient till the end, that you may receive that great hope of those who are in Christ when He comes again." (Fundamental Beliefs of the INC, Erano Manalo, p.128)

Why is this an evil teaching? It is evil because it contravenes the teachings of Lord Jesus Christ, to wit:

"I am the vine, and you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will bear much fruit; for you can do nothing without me. Those who do not remain in me are thrown out like branch and dry up; such branches are gathered up and thrown into the fire, where they are burned." (John 15:5-6 Good News Translation)

According to this teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ, to which shall we remain? Shall we remain in the Church of Christ (or Iglesia ni Cristo), or shall we remain in Jesus Christ? It is the latter! Christ said, "remain in me.." Therefore, Manalo's teaching to remain in the Iglesia ni Cristo is an evil teaching. Supplanting remaining in Jesus with remaining in the Iglesia is a twisting of the Scripture by the devil to derail Iglesia mewmbers from being saved.. The result for obeying such evil teaching of Manalo is damnation for the Iglesia members as they can do nothing without Jesus Christ. They have made their Iglesia their idol and were commanded by Manalo to remain in it. In simple words. Manalo had introduced them an Iglesia idol as their unique savior.

If the devil had deceived you the first time, will you allow him to deceive you the second time, saying to you, "Remaining in the Iglesia ni Cristo is the same as remaining in Jesus Christ because you see, the Iglesia ni Cristo has the name "Cristo" or Christ in it, therefore, it is Christ's."

EVIL TEACHING #2:

"Do not withdraw from membership in the Church of Christ whatever may happen to your life or to this world, so that you may not lose the priviledge to inherit God's promises." (FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO, ERANO MANALO, P.128)

Why is this teaching of the Iglesia an evil teaching? It is evil because it negates the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles. To wit:

"Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not!...But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:15,17 New King James Version)

According to the verses, which membership is of God? Is it membership in the Church of Christ of Manalo or is it membership in the Lord Jesus Christ? It is the latter! Therefore, the Iglesia's teaching is of the devil. According also to the verse, which should be joined? Is it joining the Iglesia cult of Manalo or is it joining the Lord? Obviously, this Iglesia ni Cristo is of the devil for teaching another gospel to rob people of their salvation.

THE EVIL TEACHING OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO #3

Let's read the Iglesia evil teaching:

"About God's Last Messenger.
God's messenger of these last days is Brother Felix Y. Manalo."
(Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia ni Cristo, Erano Manalo, p. 123)

Why is this teaching an evil teaching of the Iglesia ni Cristo of Manalo? It is evil because it steals the position of the Lord Jesus Christ as the only legitimate messenger of God in these last days. Let's read the teachings of the Apostles:

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds." (Heb.1:1-2 New King James Version)

The verse says, "has in THESE LAST DAYS spoken to us by His Son.." (words capitalized for emphasis). Therefore, the last days messenger of God is no other than God's Son Lord Jesus Christ. The Iglesia had stolen the position of Christ! Of course stealing is a conduct dictated by the devil in order to deceive people.

The claim by the Iglesia that Christ is the first messenger while Felix Y. Manalo is the last messenger is not tenable and is another Iglesia deception on top of a deception for the simple reason that Christ's appointment was never revoked by God nor was Christ replaced as He promised He is always with his disciples to the end of the age:

""...teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen." (Matthew 28:20 NKJV)

The reign of Jesus Christ as the true messenger of God in the Christian era continues uninterrupted until His second coming on Judgment Day. Felix Manalo can't escape his thievery deed as he will be punished as provided in 1 Cor 6:9-10:

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters,nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Cor 6:9-10 NKJV)

As written in the Scripture, Felix Y. Manalo, being a thief, is blacklisted from entering the kingdom of God. Of course, Manalo's deceived servants who are his Iglesia members, could not be greater than their Manalo leader in terms of punishment. He leads them to the pit.

EVIL TEACHING #4:

"Do not ever believe those detractors who claim that it was only Brother Felix Y. Manalo who founded the Church in the Philippines; that this is supposedly the church of Brother Manalo. Those are simple lies and slanderous statements. Resist being called a member of the Church of Manalo.
Believe instead in the calling of Brother Felix Y. Manalo as God's messenger."
(Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia ni Cristo, Erano Manalo, p. 123)

REASON WHY THE TEACHING IS EVIL:

Why is this an evil teaching? Because it teaches a contrary belief taught by Lord Jesus Christ for attainment of salvation. To wit:

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16 NKJV)

"Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me." (John 14:1 NKJV)

Obviously, Felix Manalo, in defiance to the Lord's teaching, has shamelessly
stolen and appropriated the beliefs due to the Lord Jesus and His Father. As a result of such devilish teaching, he has consigned his followers to perishment. Only those who believe in Him will have everlasting life.

A fish is caught by its mouth. Manalo implicitly admitted that the Iglesia ni Cristo is a Church of Manalo as he won't command his members to resist being called a member of the Church of Manalo unless it is a fact. The fact is, it is Felix Y. Manalo who founded the Iglesia ni Cristo or Church of Christ because according to him (p. 123)as he was the first one to proclaim about the Church of Christ in the Philippines. Therefore, without Felix Manalo, there is no Church of Christ or Iglesia ni Cristo in the Philippines. Moreover, his signature is authenticated in the filing of registration to the Philippine government.

EVIL IGLESIA TEACHING #5:

"About persecutions. You cannot avoid persecutions because your victory over them becomes the foundation for inheriting the kingdom of heaven. You should not give up when you encounter harassments. Instead pray to God for help so that you may overcome stiff persecutions."
(Fundamental Beliefs of the Igllesia ni Cristo, Erano Manalo, p. 123)

Why is this teaching of Manalo an evil teaching? It is evil because persecutions taught by the Bible pertains only to false persecutions and for Christ's sake. It is never for true exposings of evil practices by the Iglesia of Manalo. To wit, let's read:

"Blessed are you when when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake." (Matthew 5:11 NKJV)

Based on the above true teaching of the Lord Jesus, persecutions are blessed only if: 1) they are done falsely;, and 2) for the sake of Jesus Christ.

Therefore, persecutions that are true and persecutions are for the sake of the the name of the Iglesia or for the sake of the name of Felix Y. Manalo, these are not covered as persecutions with blessings. Instead, members must be thankful to the exposers of the deceptions by Manalo.
A teaching by Manalo that persecutions, notswithstanding that they are true and, nothwithstanding that yhey are for the sake of the name of the Iglesia ni Cristo or for the sake of the name of Felix Y. Manalo, is an evil teaching!

PERSECUTIONS OF THE IGLESIA THAT ARE TRUE:

The following are some of the true exposes that persecute the
Iglesia because of Manalo and his Iglesia's sake:

1) Felix Y. Manalo had raped Rosita Trillanes while this single Iglesia new member disowned by her parents for having been lured into becoming Iglesia member was entrusted under Felix' care in Manalo's residence. The evidence is the letter of Rosita Trillanes as publised in the Philippine Official Gazette.

2) Felix Y. Manalo had stolen the prophecies he is using to prop up his Iglesia cult, such as:

Isaiah 43:5-6 ... Stolen by Manalo from Israel (Isa.43:1);
Isaiah 41:9-10... Stolen by Manalo from Israel (Isa.41:8);
Isaiah 46:11..... Stolen by Manalo from King Cyrus of Persia (Isa.45:1; Isa.41:11 Living Bible);
Isaiah 41:14..... Stolen from Jesus Christ...(Ps.22:6-7,18);

3) Enforcement of forced worships that whenever Thursdays and Sundays come, every Iglesia members are required to troop to the Iglesia chapels to worship the idol Iglesia ni Cristo or else they will suffer the pains of being inquisitioned for their non attendances, for reporting to the Manalo Church Administrator of their sinful conduct, and to be thrown into the eternal fire;

4) Enforcement of member liability to pay thanksgiving debts to the Iglesia twice a year in July and December. The semi annual thanksgiving debts were later renamed as Anniversary Thanksgiving (July) and End of Year Thanksgiving (December) to eradicate the bad connotations of semi annual debt payments. Such thanksgiving debt payments are to be increased on a yearly basis. The December thanksgiving debts are to be paid in advance on a weekly basis starting from the first Sunday of each year thru the first Sunday of December. Such deposits (or advance payments of thanksgiving debts) will be replaced with one certificate of deposit which has no value and not accepted by any bank insitution are being ordered by Manalo to be given to God as their thanksgivings.

Since these exposes are true, it behooves members to renounce their Iglesia memberships as they are being given evil teachings by Manalo that they are blessed when they are not.

 
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KEEP UP THE GOOD WORKS JERRY!

September 4 2006, 2:05 PM 

I really appreciate your exposes about the evil teachings and doctrines of my former religion, the IGLESIA NI CRISTO. I am now enlightened not to re-consider this church established by Felix Manalo in 1914. This forum and semilar forums about INC greatly help doubting members and former members to see the light, and that is "Believing to Jesus Christ" and not to the CHURCH OF CHRIST (IGLESIA NI CRISTO) founded by Felix Manalo. KUDOS!!!

 
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DEVIL USES JERRY TO TWIST GOD'S MESSAGE
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YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IGLESIA NI CRISTO DOCTRINES

December 31 2006, 12:14 PM 

JERRY SUGO KA NGA NG DIABLO. PILIT MONG BINABAGO ANG TUNAY NA ARAL NG DIOS NA NASA IGLESIA NI CRISTO. ANO KA BA KATOLIKO O PROTESTANTE, BAKIT KA NAGTATAGO SA INTERNET, MAGPAKILALA KA KUNG TALAGANG TOTOO ANG SINASABI MO. MALAKAS ANG LOOB MONG MAGSINUNGALING DAHIL NAKATAGO KA INTERNET.

KUNG TALAGANG TOTOO YANG DALA MONG ARAL AT GUSTO MONG MALIGTAS ANG MGA TAO, BAKIT AYAW MONG SABIHIN ANG TUNAY MONG RELIHIYON PARA ANIBAN NAMAN NG MGA TAO KUNG TOTOO NGA YANG LAYUNIN MO NA DALHIN ANG TAO SA KALIGTASAN.

KAPAG HINDI MO SINABI ANG TUNAY MONG RELIHIYON, IKAW NGA ANG SUGO NG DIABLO DAHIL TAKOT KAYO SA KATOTOHANAN. PATRAYDOR KUNG LUMABAN ANG DIABLO, HINDI NAGPAPAKILALA SA TAO PARA MAKAPANDAYA TULAD NG GINAGAWA MO NGAYON.

 
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Jerry
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To refresh an old posting

December 8 2006, 4:49 PM 

Let all present INC members study this eye opening lesson.

 
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Apo ni Ver
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Nakakaaliw basahin ito

December 19 2006, 11:45 AM 

marami palang turo ng demonio sa aming iglesia. kailangan ng umalis dito.

 
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DEVIL USES JERRY TO TWIST GOD'S MESSAGE
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YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IGLESIA NI CRISTO DOCTRINES

December 31 2006, 12:12 PM 

JERRY SUGO KA NGA NG DIABLO. PILIT MONG BINABAGO ANG TUNAY NA ARAL NG DIOS NA NASA IGLESIA NI CRISTO. ANO KA BA KATOLIKO O PROTESTANTE, BAKIT KA NAGTATAGO SA INTERNET, MAGPAKILALA KA KUNG TALAGANG TOTOO ANG SINASABI MO. MALAKAS ANG LOOB MONG MAGSINUNGALING DAHIL NAKATAGO KA INTERNET.

KUNG TALAGANG TOTOO YANG DALA MONG ARAL AT GUSTO MONG MALIGTAS ANG MGA TAO, BAKIT AYAW MONG SABIHIN ANG TUNAY MONG RELIHIYON PARA ANIBAN NAMAN NG MGA TAO KUNG TOTOO NGA YANG LAYUNIN MO NA DALHIN ANG TAO SA KALIGTASAN.

KAPAG HINDI MO SINABI ANG TUNAY MONG RELIHIYON, IKAW NGA ANG SUGO NG DIABLO DAHIL TAKOT KAYO SA KATOTOHANAN. PATRAYDOR KUNG LUMABAN ANG DIABLO, HINDI NAGPAPAKILALA SA TAO PARA MAKAPANDAYA TULAD NG GINAGAWA MO NGAYON.

 
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Randy
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All members must read this article

February 3 2007, 7:23 PM 

This is an eye opening article.

 
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hello all...

February 10 2007, 9:13 AM 

am here once again..

 
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Diakono Elmo
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Defenders of the INC evil church always try to corrupt this web site

April 29 2007, 12:22 PM 


Manalo's hackers had done it again.

 
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Dino
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IGLESIA NI CRISTO, evil church of the 21st Century

May 6 2007, 11:55 AM 


All people need to read this post of Jerry to avoid this evil church.

 
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Randy
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Did INC shut down this forum?

May 28 2007, 12:37 PM 

This cult tries always to shut this forum that exposes the lies of the INC owned by Manalo.

 
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Apo Ni Ver
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Bakit nawala ang forum ng 70213?

June 2 2007, 3:47 PM 


Ng tingnan ko ay lumitaw ay lenguaheng iba.

 
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Dino
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Let's all thank Jerry for exposing the evil teachings of Manalo

June 4 2007, 6:29 PM 


Many INC members are now leaving the INC cult.

 
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Diakono Elmo
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Iglesia ni Manalo is an evil church because it sponsors evil teachings

June 19 2007, 11:34 AM 


It's time to bolt out from the Iglesia ni Manalo unless you want to continue being ruled by an evil church.

 
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Diakono Elmo
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The Iglesia ni Cristo of Manalo is a church of many splendored scams

July 5 2007, 8:39 PM 

From the use of the Bible, to the use of Bible prophecies, to the use of their abominable worship services, to the method of using its members, the INC cult practices deceptions and scams with the aim and purpose of squeezing each and every member of their hard earned monies from the time of their INC memberships to the time they are finally interred into their solitary graves.

 
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To silent INC observers considering to leave INM

September 3 2006, 1:34 PM 

http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1156859023/To+silent+INC+observers+now+having+doubts+about+INC+but+the+apostasy+is+hindered
August 29 2006 at 7:43 AM

To silent INC observers now having doubts about INC but the apostasy is hindered by the fear of hell inculcated by felix.

Appeal to Force is not a logical argument. This is called Argumentum ad baculum and it is a fallacy. It is not a logic but a threat. This argument could be (and is often used) by all cults. That argument is not a valid argument to establish the truth of any claim.

Argumentum ad baculum is usually used by cult leaders to bully people into submission with threats and fear mongering.

Everything that felix said is proven to be wrong. Analyse his claims and compare your religious practices to other Christian religions. This proves that felix was not a messenger of God. He was a narcissist and a psychopath who manipulated ignorant people of his time with his lies so they could fool others, plunder and make him rich and powerful. How can the creator of this universe be so petty and ruthless to put people in hell and torture them for eternity for not believing in this sicko and self-proclaimed prophet? Why he should even care that a bunch of naked apes in the planet Earth believe in him or not? Just envision the size of this universe and ask yourself could possibly the creator of this magnificent universe be so sadistic as felix?

No my friend, felix lied in everything he said. This is obvious when you see his absurd claims. So you can be more than sure that he lied also about your going to hell if you don't belive him and if you apostasize. But it worked. Many people throughout the years believed in his lies and feared to question his authority. Therefore this sick man maintained his dominance on the mind of the gullible for 90+ years. In fact if you read the cultists' postings in this forum, you'll see this fear is the only argument that they present.

Do not allow a fear mongering psychopath dictate your life. Analyse your doctrines and see for yourself that INM is not a religion of God.

Perhaps you may ask, "Without INC how can I raise my spiritual awareness?"

You can still believe in God if you like even though you do not believe in INM. Ask the Catholics and the Protestants. You can still be spiritual without believing in any religion. Spirituality is a personal path and has nothing to do with religion.

I can tell you about my own path but what works for me may not work for you. You have to find your own path.

But if my rout is not for you, go to the sites of other religions and study them. The Jesus a portrayed by Orthodox Christianity has very good teachings. I think many ex-INMs can find solace in Baptist Church(if you are charismatic as omahada) and Eastern Rite Catholicism(no offense to Eminen, who is a Western Rite RC. I like the solemnity of Maronites). You do not have to blindly accept everything. Find your own light.

Leaving INM also does not mean you leave the belief in God. If that is what you are comfortable with, you can continue to believe in God. If you like praying to God, make your own prayers and just talk to him. Orthodox Christianity is a good religion.

What is important is that there are many ways to reach God. The best ones are those that teach love and make you feel closer to your fellow human beings. The only way we humans can experience God is through love. A religion is true to the extent that it teaches love and is false to the extent that it instills hate. This makes INM the FALSEST religion and VERY dangerous one.

My friend, it is stupid to be a follower of this stupid cult. There is no other way to put it. Only it takes a very stupid person to believe in the big lies of felix. I have exposed the inner thoughts of felix, in the near future, when the expose in this forum will get enough circulation and nail the coffin of INM and liberate the poor cultists whose minds are shackled by this cult.



We can even compare felix to Dracula. The myth says that he sucked the blood of his victims and they too became vampires. This is such a good analogy. Felix has sucked the brains(and monies) of the cultists and has reduced them into zombies and monsters.



When cultists truly believe in felix and do what he told them, they become monsters. Ecleo is a monster. Shoko Asahara was a monster. Hitler, Khamanei and Mussolini are monsters. Every Catholic and Protestant who converted to INM now thinks that all the non-INCs are damned, those converts have become monsters.

We can't compare Jesus to felix. Jesus was a saintly person, felix was a demonic Dracula. What is this blind prejudice you have for this cult leader? Why do cultists insist to defend a monster like him?

Cultists must leave INM so we all can have peace. Jesus has been a blessing for mankind, felix has been a curse.

Related article:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1150799673/Making+Cultists+Angry+-+A+response+to+a+deluded+fanatic



 
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As a doubting member of the INC, I can say it is true.

September 4 2006, 10:45 AM 

I had a conversation with a member of my family. They know that I have serious doubts about the Iglesia ni Cristo, but have referred me to the INC's open forum, which due to the fact that you have to write your name, instead of asking questions anonymously does not make it very open.

Here's how the conversation went:

FM: You know, the reason I stay in the Iglesia ni Cristo is that out of all the churches I have been in, I think the INC is the closest to what's written in the Bible. And I'm not sure that there's salvation outside our Church.

CT: You've been a member of the Iglesia ni Cristo for 40 years and a Catholic before, which means you've known two religions. Being in the INC so long, you know that considering another gospel aside from the INC's is considered blasphemy, and for my own spiritual edification I examine other doctrines and practices. If the INC does not like it, then my loyalty to God trumps my loyalty to my church. As for Biblical basis, there have been many refutations of the INC interpretations. In fact, there was a debate between Jose Ventilacion and Patrick Kelly of the Portland Church of Christ, which Ventilacion refused to respond to, although he read the letter. Also, Glenn Cessor, a deacon and a man of letters conceded a debate to Ed Watson of the Mormon Church.

FM: I can't answer that for you, but you might want to go to the open forum.

Aside from the gloom and doom preaching, the longer one stays in the Iglesia ni Cristo, the more cultural and monetary bonds one creates and incurs. After giving all your time, money and effort to the church, as well as having friends, family and sometimes, even your wife and children in the faith, it is a difficult thing to do to leave an organization with so many roots in your life, no matter how questionable you find the teachings.

 
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WHAT GOD HAD JOINED TOGETHER MANALO HAD SEPARATED APART

September 6 2006, 10:08 AM 


August 23 2006 at 2:29 PM
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1156364947

How does the Iglesia of Manalo violated God's mandate not to separate what he had joined together?
  1. Separate seating arrangements between husbands and wives in the Iglesia ni Cristo worships. He separated the husbands from their wives requiring them to sit apart, i.e., males sit on the left side while females sit on the right side of the Iglesia worship hall.
  2. Separate envelopes for the thanksgiving of the one flesh condition of husbands and their wives.
  3. Separate obligations of husbands and wives who are supposed to be one flesh creation of God;
  4. Separating the husband from his wife as the head of the family and making the Iglesia ni Cristo the heads of both the husband and the wife.
  5. Separating man from Christ as man's head and installing the Iglesia ni Cristo as man's head.
  6. Separating the one flesh condition of Christ and His believers and installing the Iglesia ni Cristo cult that people must be joined to that results in removal of Christ.


 
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Manalo started the INC when he was an Atheist

September 9 2006, 12:04 AM 

September 11 2005 at 8:02 PM
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1126490576/

Manalo started the INC when he was an atheist
and he created INK doctrines in just 3 days,
then later on he called himself an angel..
and ask protestant pastor to lay hands on him.

such a disgrace

 
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We really hate the catholics....

September 26 2006, 8:40 PM 

September 8 2005 at 6:26 AM
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1126182415

Because they are the ones running this damn country and we have nothing to
contribute except to collectively vote for the wrong candidates.
Sabagay, after all it was for the good of our church.
Nagkakapera pa kami at nakukuha ang gusto namin sa gobyerno.


 
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ShieldOfFaith
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Syanga pala bakit sikat na sikat ang INM tuwing election?

September 29 2006, 1:41 PM 

hmmmm...

 
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Manual for new members of the Church of Christ

October 3 2006, 2:11 AM 

September 26 2006
http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1159282872


Manual

For New Members

Of The

CHURCH

OF

CHRIST









Church of Christ
Iglesia ni Cristo
1989



Foreword

Thanks be to God, now you are a member
of the Church of Christ!

You are welcome to the community of
God's chosen people in these last days.

Now you are a part of the Body of our Lord
Jesus Christ -- the Church of Christ -- with the
priviledge to serve God and with the earnest
hope that on Christ's second coming you shall
be among those who will meet Him to receive
God's eternal promises.

For you to remain in such graces, you
should strive to keep the faith which you
received from God once and for all. Let your
spiritual life develop while in the Church of
Christ. Strengthen your relationship with
God by continuing in your praise and worship
of Him, by your confidence in what He can
do in your life, and by always praying to Him.
Let your love for God grow by actively par-
ticipating in Church activities, for by doing so
you shall increase as well your devotion to
your calling.

If there shall arise obstacles and trials in
your faith, remember the words of God
relayed to you through His messenger of
these last days. Remain immovable on what
those words stand for, because God awaits
you to make such a firm resolve.

1 What you should do right after baptism

What should you do immediately after
baptism?

* Please see the local secretary who will offi-
cially register you as a full-fledged mem-
ber of the Church of Christ.

* You shall be assigned a permanent tag list-
ing your name and the number of the dis-
trict and group you belong to. This tag will
be found at the chapel lobby or entrance.

Remember your tag number and where it is
located. Everytime you attend the worship
service, please turn your tag to indicate proof
of your attendance. Be careful not to turn
somebody else's tag.

If the day of the worship service has ended
and you have not turned your tag, it will be
presumed that you were absent or you have
attended in another locale. Therefore, please
expect a visit from your overseer who would
ask why you were absent or when you at-
tended the services. He will remind and
counsel you not to neglect this extremely im-
portant duty to God. If perhaps the reason for
your absence is that you were sick, it would
be better for the overseer to pray for your
recovery and annoint you with oil as the Bible
teaches. If there were other reasons, like any
of life's problems, the overseer would be
there to counsel you. You can likewise seek
guidance from God through prayer.

* The local secretary will give you the name
of the overseer assigned to your group
Please see your overseer as soon as pos-
sible. He is your closest link to the Ad-
ministration of the Church. He will preside
over the weekly prayer meetings of your
group in designated homes of the brethren.
Please try not to be absent in such prayer
meetings.

Eventually, you will be asked to have the
prayer meeting done in your home. You
should consider it a blessing, because it shell
bring abundant spiritual graces which you
need to increase your faith. In such occasions
you will also receive significant messages
from the Church Administration concerning
local activities which you must join.

* You should also know the pastor or mini-
ster assigned to your locale, as well as
brethren comprising the local leadership.

To what organizations of the Church of
Christ should you belong?

Within the Church, the Administration es-
tablished organizations to foster closer ties
among brethren and to strengthen their faith.

All married brethren should belong to the
Buklod. Those who are single, aged 18 years
or more, are members of the KADIWA. The
youth from 13 to 18 years of age are to be in-
cluded in the Binhi.

Whatever organizations you shall belong to,
please know --

* who are the president and officers in your
locale;

* when the regular meetings of the organiza-
tion are held in your locale. Oftentimes
you will hear announcements after the wor-
ship service as to the date and time of the
monthly meetings;

* what projects and activities are being spon-
sored by the organization so that you may
actively participate in them.

2 You and the Church Administration

The Church Administration

The local church you belong to has a local
leadership headed by a minister or worker.
The leadership also comprises five head
deacons, the presidents of the local organiza-
tions, and the local secretary.

The locales of a province (or state, or
region, as the case may be) compose a
division being supervised by a minister who
is entrusted the office of division (or supervis-
ing) minister. The division minister is direct-
ly responsible to the Executive Minister con-
cerning all Church activities in his Division.
The present Executive Minister of the Church
of Christ is Brother ERANO G. MANALO.
Every locale is divided into districts (each ad-
ministered by a district leader), which are fur-
ther subdivided into groups (each supervised
by a group leader who may be a deacon or
deaconess, or an overseer being groomed for
deaconship).

Every group is composed of several
families in the Church and that is where you
belong.

Thus, your closest link to the Church Ad-
ministration is your group leader, then your
district leader, finally the resident minister or
worker, including the local leadership.

To the brethren mentioned above, please
bring any problem regarding your faith and
membership, for they are God's instruments
in helping you.

3 Worship Service in the Church of Christ

Twice a week the Church of Christ holds a
congregational service. This is normally done
every Thursday and Sunday (some local chur-
ches, mostly in the West, have Wednesday or
Friday services instead of Thursday's). There
are occasions when the Church observes spe-
cial worship services on days other than
Thursdays and Sundays.

You are required to attend these as-
ssmblies. The Bible says" "Not forsaking the
assembling of ourselves together, as the man-
ner of some is; but exhorting one another and
so much the more, as ye see the day ap-
proaching." (Hebrews 10:25)

The Lord God shall expect your presence
in the house of worship every worship service
day: "But the hour cometh, and now is, when
the true worshippers shall worship the Father
in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh
such to worship him." (John 4:23)

What activities comprise our worship
service?

Our worship begins with congregtational
singing led by the choir members and ends
with the benediction.

This is the order of activities during a
regular worship service:

* Congregational singing led by the choir
* Prayer by the minister/worker who shall
preach or by the assigned head deacon
* Congregational singing
* The sermon
* Prayer
* Collection of Offerings
* Prayer for the Offerings
* Doxology
* Benediction

You are expected to partricipate in all these
activities during the service. That you may
perform them with dedication:

* You are supposed to arrive early at the
chapel every worship service. You should
participate at the very first hymn to be sung
by the congregation. Sing with all your
heart and soul.

* While the sermon or the study of God's
words has not begun yet, be at peace to
meditate and silent prayer.

* Open your heart during the assembly's
prayers, whoever may be leading. Please
stand properly and close your eyes all
throughout the prayer. Remember that we
stand in the presence of God, therefore we
should act with extreme reverance. Indi-
cate your participation by responding at
proper intervals with "Yes, Father" or
"Amen."

* Follow intently the course of the preaching
of the words of God. Strive hard against
falling asleep and against other hindrances
to receiving the message. The best ques-
tion you can ask yourself, to guide you
during the study, is: "What is God's will
that I should be doing?" Thus, your efforts
will be concentrated at fully understanding
the message at hand.

* Your contribution must be prepared in ad-
vance, so that during the collection you
may give it as a voluntary offering and not
as something forced on you. Do this act
with all your heart and soul.

If you shall happen to attend in another lo-
cale, you should obtain a certificate of atten-
dance from the secretariat of said locale.
They will ask your name, the locale where
you are registered, and the number of the dis-
trict and group you are assigned to. Please
provide the information wanted, for these will
appear in the certificate of attendance. Do not
lose this certificate because you are expected
to turn it in to your group leader when he
visits you. He will definitely visit you if you
are unable to attend the services in your lo-
cale. Be joyous about this, for it is a proof of
care and interest for your welfare.

During the worship services, as mentioned
before, you stand in the presence of God; not
as a spectator in a theatre audience but as an
active participant -- as a worshipper. You are
there to praise God for all His goodness to you
and to offer worship. He waits for you to
entrust all your troubles and anxieties unto
Him; and it is when you worship that He is
ever willing to answer all your pleadings.

It is only befitting that you stand in deep
reverence before God. Your entire ap-
pearance, including your attire, must comple-
ment the holiness and majesty of our God.
The finest and most appropriate clothing we
possess must be worn when we worship God.

Likewise, when we walk, sit, and stand in-
side the house of worship, we must be truly
dignified. Please follow the instructions of
the deacons and deaconesses who are charged
with the orderliness of the occasion.

Avoid any damage to any part of the chapel
and please do not litter.

Yet, beyond the physical cleanliness that
must be accorded the worship service, should
be the spiritual purity, that is, of our lives. Be
earnest to achieve a righteous way of living
you have been taught, so that the worship you
offer shall always be pleasing to God.

Every worship service must result in the
strengthening of your faith. Thus, everytime
you attend, you should feel the power of God
that will fortify you amidst your weaknesses,
comfort you in times of sorrows and miseries,
encourage you to overcome all trials and
make you endure in your calling.

All these you shall experience when you
steadfastly devote yourself in worshipping
God and when you fully prepare yourself to
receive God's abundant blessings.

4 How you should obey the teachings you received

As a review of the basic doctrines you have
just learned, here is a summary together with
the instructins on how to implement them.

About the Bible. The Church of Christ
believes that the words of God are written
only in the Bible. Thus, the Bible should be
the sole basis of service to God; it comprises
the truth and it teaches man how to be saved
from punishment on the Day of Judgment.

Therefore, renounce all belief in cathecism
books, the Book of Mormon, and books by
other religions, because God prohibits it (1
Cor.4:6; Rev.22:18-19).

Follow steadfastly all teachings from the
Bible which you have learned in the Church
of Christ.

About God. The Father alone is the true
God, the creator of all things.

You should now reject the doctrine of the
Trinity; this runs contrary to the Bible. Do
not worship images, for these are not the true
God.

You should acknowledge the Father as the
only true God. But this is not the extent of
how you should recognize Him. Your
relationship with Him should grow. He
should be your rightful Father and friend, and
you should walk in His presence daily.

About Christ's state of being. You must
discard the idea that Christ is the true God.
This is sinful thinking because it is contrary to
Bible teaching. You should also deny the
belief that Christ is both true man and true
God.

Those who preach that Christ is God use
the Bible also. Be not deceived by them be-
cause nowhere is it recorded in the Bible in
which Christ said that He is the true God. But
why do they quote verses from the Bible?
They either give those verses a wrong inter-
pretation or they rely on those passages that
have been erroneously translated.

Never believe that there is at least one
Bible verse (correctly translated) which states
that Christ is God. Whoever preaches such is
a false teacher (II Cor.11:3-4).

You must reject the doctrine that there are
three persons in one God. The Father is the
only true God.

You should, however, acknowledge and
worship Christ, recognize Him as our only
Mediator with God and the only man who is
holy and sinless.

About the true religion. The prevailing
belief that all churches belong to God is false.
Christ founded only one true Church -- the
Church of Christ. Therefore, you should
value the Church because therein you are able
to do the kind of service which God shall ac-
cept and in which you shall be saved.

About the Church of Christ. You should
always appreciate and assert the significance
of the Church in the matter of salvation.

Keep believing that Christ will save the
Church of Christ.

Do not let others deceive you when they
say that to believe alone in Christ is enough to
gain salvation.

About the Church founded by Christ in
the first century. The first century Church
established by Christ went into apostasy.
Most of the members were led astray from the
truth by the false prophets who arose within
the Church with the passing away of the
Apostles and the rest, those who remained
faithful, were slaughtered by the ravenous
wolves.

Those who were forewarned as leaders
who would mislead the Church were no other
than the Catholic priests. They introduced
false beliefs into the Church until it was no
more the true Church, until it became the
Catholic Church -- a religion vastly different
from the Church of Christ recorded in the
Bible.

Thus, the Catholic Church is not of Christ
and definitely not of God, and there is no sal-
vation in it.

If you are a former Catholic, do not make
the sign of the cross anymore. Renounce all
Catholic teaching for it is against God's word.

If you used to be a Catholic, remove all im-
ages, crosses, crucifixes, and idols.

Do not listen to mass anymore, neither
receive communion.

Do not confess to a priest anymore.

Do not say prayers for the dead and never
celebrate "All Saints Day" or any Catholic
feast day anymore. Do not participate in any
celebration to honor a Catholic saint.

Moreover, remove all superstitions.

About the Church of Christ's emergence
from the Philippines. The Church of Christ
that appeared from the Philippines (in the Far
East) during these last days is the fulfillment
of the prophecies made by God and Christ.
This is the third part of the Church founded by
Christ. It arose in these last days after the
Church built by Christ in the first century was
completely led astray by the false prophets.
This Church's later extension into the Far
West is equally the realization of God's
prophecies in the Bible.

About God's Last Messenger. God's
messenger of these last days is Brother
FELIX Y. MANALO. He was the first
one to proclaim about the Church of Christ in
the Philippines. That is why this Church
which you joined is of God and of Christ.

Do not ever believe those detractors who
claim that it was only Brother FELIX Y.
MANALO who founded the Church in the
Philippines; that this is supposedly the
Church of Brother Manalo. Those are simple
lies and slanderous statements. Resist being
called a member of the Church of Manalo.

Believe instead in the calling of Brother
FELIX Y. MANALO as God's messenger.

About persecutions. You cannot avoid
persecutions because your victory over them
becomes the foundation for inheriting the
kingdom of heaven. You should not give up
when you encounter harassments. Instead,
pray to God for help so that you may over-
come stiff persecutions.

About enduring as a member of the
Church of Christ. You should strive to
obey all Church regulations, for by doing so,
you prove that you are a true member of the
Church of Christ.

It should never be your motive that you
joined because of your parents, spouse,
brothers and sisters, friends, employers who
are Church members, or out of personal
profit.

About renewing your life. It is not
enough just to be in the Church; you must un-
dergo a full renewal of life.

Those members who have turned a new life
truly belong to Christ and to God. We should
put into practice the commandments we
received.

If you used to get drunk or you used to
drink liquor or take drugs, you must refrain
from any of these acts now. God forbids
them.

If you used to gamble, you must know that
all forms of gamblingh are prohibited in the
Church of Christ, like: racing, lotteries, card
or dice games, slot machines, etc.

If you are involved in an adulterous
relationship, you should stop this right away.
God forbids adultery.

If you are employed in a dishonest occupa-
tion, committing fraud or any illegal acts, this
is not allowed. We should live decently and
righteously.

You must cease from any vice or sin in
your life.

Refrain from swearing or using foul lan-
guage and do not perform the kind of dances
popularized in the world, characterized by
provocative and sensuous behavior.

About the worship service. As pre-
viously discussed in a separate section, you
must, out of love, always attend the worship
service.

To neglect the worship service is con-
sidered a serious trespass. From now on
never miss attendance, unless you are serious-
ly ill and physically incapable.

You must not be hindered by your employ-
ment or profession or any personal interest, in
performing this duty. God should have
priority over anything in the world.

When you attend the services in your own
locale, do not fail to turn your own tag (not
somebody else's) before you enter the house
of worship.

If you shall attend in another locale, do not
forget to obtain a certificate of attendance
from the Secretaries before you leave.

This certificate must be given promptly to
your group leader or group secretary so that
you will not be placed among the absentees.

About the offering. The offering or col-
lection being done in the Church of Christ is
not a rule created by the ministers but it is the
will of God. It should not, however, be given
like an alm for the poor.

Every member of the Church of Christ is
responsible to give offerings.

Do this with all your heart, willingly and
joyfully.

The offering must be saved and set aside.
Do not offer only when you have excess or
leftover.

As you budget your personal needs, be
more concerned about setting aside your of-
fering to God.

It is likewise the duty of the Church of
Christ members to do the act of thanksgiving
to God and to bring thanksgivng offerings
every end of the year.

We have to prepare our thanksgiving offer-
ring for one year. Be like many members of
the Church of Christ who save regularly
through the church's system. This is the
most convenient method, because without
realizing it, we are able to save.

About brotherly love. The members of
the Church of Christ have a very unique
relationship. They constitute a brotherhood
established by Christ and willed by God.

You should call all members of the Church,
including ministers, as your brothers (or
sisters, as the case may be). We treat each
other as equals within the Church. Follow
Christ's law that we should love one another.

You should avoid doing evil to brethren in
the Church.

You must not defraud anyone.

If somehow your brother had wronged you,
do not sue him in court. God does not allow
this.

Bring all your complaints to the Church
Administration, for they shall be the ones to
settle and decide.

Anyone who will bring the brother to court
or who will refuse reconciliation shall be ex-
pelled from the Church.

Brethren who have disputes must settle
their differences at once. They are expected
to forgive each other.

About miscellaneous prohibitions. In
the Church of Christ, we are forbidden to eat
blood (or food using blood as an ingredient)
and we are banned from intermarriage with a
nonmember.

When preparing or dressing fowls and
animals prior to cooking, make sure to pour
out the blood.

Is it a sin before God for a Church member
to marry a nonmember?

Courting or being engaged with a non-
member is already prohibited by God. If you
are still single, do not marry an unbeliever.

Do not elope just to get married. Be sure to
get permission from your parents.

You are also commanded to avoid joining
organizations or labor unions whose prin-
ciples run in conflict with Bible teachings.

About baptism. Baptism is an act of
burying sins; thus, after baptism you should
walk in the newness of liffe.

If you have children or will have some in
the future, do not have them baptized because
that is against God's law.

In the Church of Christ, infants and
children who still have innocent minds are
never baptized but simply offered to God, to
dedicate them into His service. In due time,
when they reach the right age in which they
could be taught and are able to believe, only
then shall they be baptized.

While these children are growing up (from
4 to 12 years of age), they are required to at-
tend the youth worship services held once a
week (or twice weekly in some locales) at
designated times and places.

If you have young children whom you
want to raise in the Church, have them offered
and when it is the proper time, let them attend
the youth worship services. When they come
of age, with adequate minds to make intel-
ligent choices, let them receive instructions in
basic doctrines of the Church so that they
could be baptized.

About prayer and missionary work.
He who engages in missionary work and
knows how to pray properly, eventually, be-
comes stable and strong in the faith. These
works are both commanded by God and
should be valued by all members of the
Church of Christ,

Therefore, you should help in the growth of
the Church through missionary efforts, invit-
ing people, and distributing our magazine,
"God's Message."

In the Church, the Administration or-
ganized the Light of Salvation.

This organization is composed of mission-
ary workers in every locale. You could join
this group, to further increase your participa-
tion in the dissemination of the faith.

In every aspect of our life, we should walk
with our God.

You should learn how to pray in order to
effectively communicate with God. You
must pray:

* Before you eat
* Before you leave home towards work or
school.
* Upon reaching home from work, school,
or any other place.
* Before you sleep at night.
* Upon waking up in the morning.
* When you ask to be forgiven from your
sins and to be strengthened in your faith;
when you need help in your livelihoood; and
when you plead to be saved from tempta-
tions and enumerable troubles in life.
* And in every moment, as the need and op-
portunity arise.

Do not forget to attend your group prayer
meetings.

About being registered. If your name
does not appear in the Church's registry on
earth, it does not appear in the registry in
heaven (the Book of Life). If you are not
listed with the Church, you are not considered
a member and therefore you will not be saved
on the Day of Judgment.

The following are the occasions when a
member may be delisted from the rolls of the
Church:

* When he is expelled by the Administration
because of sin incurred.
* When he stops attending the worship ser-
vices and becomes inactive.
* When he leaves his locale without telling
the Church, by not obtaining a certificate of
transfer.
* When he obtains a certificate of transfer
but fails to register with the locale he
moves to.

Always remember the moment you are not
registered, you are not a member of the
Church of Christ anymore, and one who is not
a member will not be saved.

About unity. Unity in the Church is
quite significant, because our unity includes
God and Christ. It is wrong to destroy this
unity. Thus, God discourages factionalism
and disunity in our midst.

We become one not only in voting but most
importantly in our services to God.

Show your best efforts to preserve Church
unity, for the sake of glorifying God.

Do not attempt to violate Church unity,
whether in voting or in other activities, for
this is a sin that will lead to expulsion from
the Church.

About continuing in our hope. Remain
in the Church of Christ, obedient till the end,
that you may receive that great hope of those
who are in Christ when He comes again.

Continue to come to the worship services.
join other activities, and endure much suffer-
ings.

Do not withdraw from membership in the
Church of Christ whatever may happen to
your life or to this world, so that you may not
lose the privilege to inherit God's promises.

May our great God bless you all the days of
your life.

 
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Jojo
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are you serious?

June 25 2014, 8:27 PM 

So, this post looks serious. But I detect some tongue in cheekiness especially around the subject of offerings and such.

What is your intent here?

INC, by your posted doctrine and rules etc. qualifies as a TRUE cult.


 
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VER
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WHAT IS "unique and special" about your IGLESIA NI CRISTO?

October 5 2006, 10:41 PM 

September 7 2005
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I HAVE TO START A NEW THREAD ON THIS HEART TOUCHING TOPIC (sniff...).

1-BRO FELIX IS THE ANGEL BEING REFERRED TO IN REV.7:2 IT CANT NEVER REFER TO REV. MOON BECAUSE:
a.)HES A KOREAN.
b.)HES BORN WAY BEHIND OUR GREAT BRO.FELIX
2-THE EAST BEING REFERRED TO IN REV.7:2 IN NONE OTHER THAN THE PHIL.
3-THE OTHER SHEEP IN THE GOSPEL OF JOHN IN BEING REFERRED TO THE ONLY TREU CHURCH IN THE WORLD "THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO".
4-WE ARE HEAVEN BOUND FOR WE ARE THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH THE REST ARE "ALL" FALSE CHURCH.
5-ANYONE OUTSIDE OUR TRUE CHURCH WILL NEVER EVER BE SAVED THATS WHY WE ENCOURGE ALL THE NON- IGLESIA NI CRISTO IN THIS FORUM TO CONTACT THE NEAREST IGLESIA NI CRISTO LOCALE AND ASK OUR WELL EDUCATED MINISTERS TO SET A BIBLE CLASS FOR YOU AT YOUR OWN CONVIENCE.
6-THE REST YOU ALREADY KNOW OUR GREAT HISTORY WHAT WEVE BEEN THROUGH MOST SPECIALLY OUR MOST EVER BELOVED FOUNDER BRO.FELIX


~~AKO'Y IGLESIA NI CRISTO...PLEASEEE EXCUSE ME I CANT HELP BUT WIPE THE TEARS ROLLING DOWN MY FACE AS I TRY TO ANSWER CATHOLICWARRIOR'S QUESTION. IF YOU HAVE ANYMORE QUESTIONS PLEASEEEEEE DONT EVER HESITATE TO BOTHER ASKING ME.

 
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Randy
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Ver, stop crying. Your INC was killed by FYM

October 8 2006, 4:53 AM 


Ver, your last messenger said, he is not the shepherd of John 10:16. Therefore, your INC was thrown out the window.

VER,YOU HAVE NO SALVATION.

READ:

PASUGO, August 1976, p.3:

"Itinuturo din ng IGLESIA KATOLIKA na ang PAPA ay siyang KATAASTAASANG PASTOR (Question Box 109). Ito ay salungat
din sa turo ni Cristo at ng mga Apostol sapagkat sinabi ni Cristo: "AKO ANG TANGING PASTOR" (Juan 10:11,16). Sinabi rin ng mga Apostol na: "SI CRISTO ANG PASTOR AT OBISPO NG ATING MGA KALULUWA" (1 Ped.2:25)."


 
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IGLESIA NI CRISTO
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150 reasons why we hate the Catholic Church (NO. 1)

October 24 2006, 9:14 PM 

September 4 2005
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1.

We know because of the Promises of Perpetuality made by Truth Himself (John 14:6), Jesus Christ.

We know that He founded One Church only, as He stated in Matthew 16:18.

We know because He promised His Church would be defended from within and from without.
"And the gates of hell will NOT prevail against it." Matthew 16:18

We know because He promised to be with His Church until the end of the world, in Matthew 28:20.

We know because He promised He would not leave us orphans, in John 14:18.

We know because He promised the Spirit of Truth would dwell with it forever, in John 14:16.

We know because Saint Paul promised the Church will be with us forever." Ephesians 3:21

SO THAT MEANS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH NEVER APOSTASIZED..

 
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Albert
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IGLESIA NI CRISTO GOSPEL DIFFERENT FROM CHRIST AND THE APOSTLES

November 22 2006, 8:28 PM 

October 2 2000 at 8:29 PM
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HOW TO BE SAVED:

INC Gospel - Through CHURCH OF CHRIST (Acts 20:28 Lamsa ?).

Christ's Gospel - Through JESUS:
"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved." (John 3:17);
Gospel of Apostle Paul - Through JESUS:
"that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)

NOTE: What is written in Acts 20:28 is "church of Christ" NOT "Church of Christ". Therefore, INC had changed what is written from "c" to "C". Christ had stern warning not to change even a tittle or jot to what is written (Matt 5:18-19).

WHERE TO LOOK FOR SALVATION:

INC Gospel - All people desiring to be saved must approach the INC ministers because they are the ones given the mystery of the bible - Mark 4:11 ?);

Christ's Gospel - The Scriptures:
"You search the Scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me." (John 5:39);

Gospel of Apostle Paul - The Holy Scriptures:
"and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." (2 Tim 3:15).

NOTE: Regarding Mark 4:11, Jesus Christ was speaking to His apostles at the time. Although it is farfetch, granting that Felix Manalo was there in the first century with the apostles, it is easy to determine whether Felix Manalo was granted the mystery because the succeeding Verse 12 gives the mark of those given the mystery, thus:
"'Seeing they may see and not perceive, And hearing they may hear and not understand; Lest they should turn, And their sins be forgiven them.' " (Mark 4:12).
One proof that Felix Manalo could see very clearly is the one written in John 3:16 which says:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
The verse clearly says, "whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life". Because Felix Manalo was not given the mystery, he could not understand what he sees. In fact he taught that people must join the Iglesia Ni Cristo so that those who have joined will not perish but have everlasting life. Felix Manalo and his Iglesia even ridicules the "Believe Jesus" gospel.

NAME NEEDED FOR SALVATION:

INC Gospel - Name is Church of Christ or Iglesia Ni Cristo;

Matthew's Gospel - Name is JESUS:
"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." (Matt 1:21);

Gospel of Acts of the Apostles - Name is JESUS CHRIST:
"let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole..." "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:10, 12).

PROCEDURES OF ATTAINING SALVATION:

INC Gospel - Entering the Church of Christ is one of many steps:
1. You must undergo indoctrination of about 24-35 lessons, plus;2. You must pass a six month testing period of attending the twice a week worship service, plus
3. Before being baptized, you must take an oath to God to serve until the end of your life or until the second coming of Jesus Christ, whichever comes first, plus
4. Fulfill all the twice a week money offerings and semi annual yearly increasing thanksgiving offerings, plus
5. Give offerings to the Locale Fund and various special funds deemed necessary by the church administration, plus
6. Obey whatever the orders and instructions from Erano Manalo or Eduardo Manalo, his son, plus
7. Not forsaking the twice a week worship service, plus
8. Allow your deacon (if male) or deaconess (if female) to visit your home to listen to the instructions from the church administration, plus
9. Renew your life of sin, plus
10. Bear fruit of converts to the church, plus
11. Become active in all activities of the church including devotional prayers, plus
12. Do whatever future obligations that the administrator will be moved by God to assure salvation of all INC members.

Christ Gospel - Merciful God will draw you to believe Christ:
1. Through God's Mercy drawing anyone to Christ -
"For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy to whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." (Rom 9:15);
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:44);
2. Believe Jesus -
"that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:15).

Gospel of Apostles - Through God's grace, calls people to believe Christ:
1. God calls through God's grace -
"But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb and called me through His grace, to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood." (Gal 1:15-16)
2. Believe Jesus -
"To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins." (Acts 10:43).

REVOCABILITY OF SALVATION:

INC Gospel - Revocable.
Salvation can be revoked or lost in several ways:
1. Forsaking the worship service; or
2. Separation from INC (voluntary or involuntary); or
3. Marrying a non member; or
4. Voting for candidates outside of the church administration approved list; or
5. Not updating one's R201 file; or
6. If Devil is successful in devouring the INC member.

Christ's Gospel - Not Revocable:
"And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand." (John 10:28);

Gospel of Apostle Paul - Not Revocable:
"For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day." (2 Tim 1:12).

CONSTRUCTION OF TEMPLES:

INC Gospel - It is a command of God to build temples because God is waiting for His people inside the temple (Haggai 1:8 ?)

Christ's Gospel - Ordered the destruction of the temple:
"Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." (John 2:19).

Apostle Paul's Gospel - Temples not needed:
"God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands." (Acts 17:24)

NOTE: In the Christian era, temples are no longer necessary for the simple fact that Christ and his believers became the temples of God with Christ as the chief cornerstone (1 Cor 3:16-17; Ephe 2:20).

OFFERING THAT IS REQUIRED:

INC Gospel - Everyone must give offerings or you will rob God (Mal 3:8 ?; Heb 13:16 ?).

Christ's Gospel - Still requires money offerings (Matt:24).

Apostle Paul's Gospel - Money offerings no longer required:
"By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb 10:10).

The offering that is required in the Christian era is praising of God from our lips:
"Therefore, by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name." (Heb 13:15);

The collections during Apostle Paul's time is not called offerings but sharing of money and property to poor members and
and nonmembers:
"But do not forget to do good and to share, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased." (Heb 13:16).

In New Living Translation, it is more lucid, it says:
"Don't forget to do good and to share what you have with those in need, for such sacrifices are very pleasing to God." (Hebrew 13:16 NLT).

NOTE: After Christ crucifixion, money offerings became obsolete due to the fact that Christ had already offered His body once for all. To continue the practice of money offerings will invalidate Jesus Christ's offering of His body.

The Iglesia Ni Cristo still practices money offerings using deceptively the Heb 13:16 which should not be used for the simple fact that there is no word "offer" or "offering" in it. The verse is about sharing what you have not necessarily money to be shared with people who are in need, NOT sharing to the church.
The INC does not want to stop the practice of money offerings because it is very profitable using as a ploy Apostle Paul's doctrine of sharing with fellowmen who are in need. It should be noted that the Gentile Christians did have collections to help Jerusalem (1 Cor 16:3) who were suffering of famine (Acts 11:28-29).

 
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November 25 2006, 11:43 PM 

February 23 2001 at 2:27 AM
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Because there is nothing in that type of organisation that would have pleased him.

 
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My story of INC apostasy

December 15 2006, 12:52 AM 

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December 13 2006 at 4:17 AM

I hope that my tale can provide guidance to others thinking about renouncing INC. Before I start I can tell you that the day I renounced this faith was a rebirth for me. I feel like a new person, a better, smarter, more lucid and rational person then I was before. From being just another sheep, blindly following the bigot and heteful teachings and actually convinced that they were well-meaning and peaceful to opening my eyes and seeing them for what they are has been life-altering. I wish the same for all my brothers and sisters still trapped in the realm of INC.

I am lucky to be born to relatively liberal and affluent parents, though they are still INC, just not the fanatical kind. I was educated in a scandinavian country which is where I had my first unexposure from INC and began to first have my reservations about this cult, especially when I compared the hateful, avaricious life of Felix, with his extravagant lifestyle compared to the piety and simplicity of Jesus Christ. I had asked many of my questions to my minister by ym in the Philippines who would reproach me for daring to question the teachings and personal things about Felix. None of the questions was she able to answer, nor has anybody else since.

I was leaning away from the faith but the decisive moment for me came on after frequenting this forum and that in bereans. I was scared to the core. I was imagining the angry ministers to knock at my door and use scare tactics about eternal damnation for not following INC. My fear was quite rational coming from an INC perspective. I stopped going to the INC church. My life since then has been wonderful. I've opened my mind to so many ideologies and philosophies, almost all I can say being infinitely more humanistic and logical than INC.

Do I feel stupid for having "worshipped" this hateful prophet for so long?

Yes, I do, but I console myself with the fact that it wasn't my fault and that I have had the inner strength to leave his grasp. I moved back to Philippines shortly thereafter and my mother wondered why I no longer prayed or accompanied him to church? Had the west made me an apostate? No, I told him. The west had made me aware and there is more god and spirituality and goodness in my heart than ever before. She was initially saddened by my renunciation and cried (I must here point out that my wonderful mother is a great woman, as most INC parents would have disowned their children and even hurt them physically for such an act) but she thought I would come back to the flock. I never did and 2 years have passed since I broke the news to her. I have since moved to Dubai where there is not much influence of the grasp of INC and my mother and I have never since spoken of my apostasy.

That was until 2 weeks ago when I came back to Philippines to visit my family. My mother called me to her room and with a sad look on her face apologized to me profusely. "For what" I asked her. "For questioning you and for praying that you would come back to INC" she told me. In the conversation that transpired she told me how upon her retirement she began reading other versions of the bible daily and other religious books. What she read horrified her and in time she too renounced INC. She has found solace in the teachings of orthodox Christ who she believes is a true God and last prophet, unlike Felix. She wants me to take Christ as my savior but I told her that for now I'm quite ok on my own. We've found a great common ground in apostasy and I can say that both our lives have changed for the better.

To INC members still trapped, I know that insulting the faith may only drive you closer to it so I will only ask you one thing. Read! Read the Bible not out of context, read its teachings, and compare them to the teachings of felix and decide that as a rational human being, knowing all that we know, that this man is really the prophet of god and has the truth. I think you'll come to the same conclusion that I did.



 
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FROM INC TO LIBERATED HELL BELIEFS

December 20 2006, 12:08 PM 

YOU DID NOT GET THE TRUE MEANING OF BEING A MEMBER OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO. GO BACK TO THE BASIC DOCTRINES, YOU'LL FIND YOU'RE WRONGDOINGS. OR MAYBE YOU'RE A FAKE MEMBER OR NOT A MEMBER OF THE INC AT ALL. YOU'RE A GREAT PRETENDER JUST TO MISLEAD THE READERS OF THIS FORUM.

 
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Salig sa Utos Tao ang Iglesia ni Cristo ni Manalo

December 31 2006, 1:23 PM 

Sa bunganga mismo ng alagad ni Manalo na nagsasabing hindi naintindihan ang mga pangunahing doktrina ng INC ang mga umalis sa kulto. Sinong sumulat ng pangunahing doktrina? Si Felix Manalo! Kung ganoon salig sa aral tao ang INC.

 
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ELMONG SORIANO, TAMA KA HINDI TAO ANG SUMULAT NG ADD DOCTRINE, SI SORIANONG KAMBING PALA

January 1 2007, 10:48 AM 

ELMONG SORIANO, TAMA KA HINDI TAO ANG SUMULAT NG ADD DOCTRINE, SI SORIANONG KAMBING PALA ANG SUMULAT NG PANGUNAHING DOKTRINA NG ADD.

SINO PALA ANG GUSTO MONG MAGHANDA AT MAGSULAT NG LEKSYON O DOKTRINA NG MGA TAGAPANGARAL TULAD NG AMO MONG SORIANONG BAKLA O IBA PANG PASTOR. NATURAL MGA TAO ANG GAGAWA NITO, ALANGAN NAMAN HAYOP ANG GAGAWA AT MAGSUSULAT NITO.

SA BAWAT PAKSANG PAG-UUSAPAN AY MAY IHAHANDANG LEKSYON O DOKTRINA. ANG PANGUNAHING LEKSYON O DOKTRINA NG INC AY INIHANDA NG BRO. FELIX MANALO.
LAHAT NG INIHANDANG LEKSYON O DOKTRINA AY BATAY LAMANG SA BIBLIA. WALA SIYANG IDINAGDAG O IBINAWAS KAHIT TULDOK. GANYAN KAINGAT ANG INC SA PAGTUTURO NG EBANGELIO.

 
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IT PAYS TO INCREASE YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO. Tidbit #2.

January 6 2007, 8:03 PM 

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QUESTION:

While the Muslims practice the 5 pillars of Islam, the Manalistas or followers of Felix Y. Manalo, practice how many pillars of the Iglesia ni Cristo?

Please select your answer from the three choices below.

ANSWERS:

( )1. 8
( )2. 18
( )3. 28

Please check your answer below.

Choice #1 of 8 pillars is wrong as to be expected. Unlike the Muslims, who have only 5 pillars of their faith, Felix Manalo had conceived more than eight. Here are the 5 pillars of Islam in the practice of their religion:

1. Shahadah, which is, declaring allegiance to Allah;
2. Salat, which is, daily prayer;
3. Zakat, which is, annual charity;
4. Saum, which is, month long fasting;, and
5. Hajj, which is, pilgrimage to Mecca.

Choice #2 of 18 pillars is also wrong because Manalo needs more than that in order to keep busy his slave members. One principle in order to control a group of people is not to allow them idle times to inhibit them from ever thinking or minding about their own selves. If you are busy, you forget all the problems, you forget what's happening around you, and you forget your ownself.

Choice #3 of 28 pillars of faith is the correct answer. These 28 pillars are composed of the 27 doctrines that should be followed plus 1 supplementary to belong to the three propagation organizations of the INC.

THE 28 PILLARS OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO FAITH:

Pillar #1 - Believe that the words of God are written in the Bible;
Pillar #2 - Believe that the true God is the Father who created all things;
Pillar #3 - Believe that there is a true religion;
Pillar #4 - Believe that such true religion is the Iglesia ni Cristo or Church of Christ;
Pillar #5 - Believe that the first Church built by Jesus Christ had apostatized;
Pillar #6 - Believe that the Catholic Church is to blame for the cause of the apostasy of the Church of Christ in the first century;
Pillar #7 - Believe that it is the devil who had planted the Catholic Church and the various Protestant Churches, and all other Churches that has sprouted all over this world;
Pillar #8 - Believe that Salvation is not by faith but also by our works as commanded by God;
Pillar #9 - Believe that the true believers in Christ are gathered in one organized Church, which is, the Church of Christ or Iglesia ni Cristo;
Pillar #10 - Believe that it is Jesus Christ who had reestablished the Church of Christ in the Philippines through the prophecy of God and His Son Jesus Christ;
Pillar #11 - Believe that Felix Y. Manalo is God's messenger in these last days;
Pillar #12 - Believe that if you endure persecutions and remain faithful, you will receive the promised inheritance in the kingdom of heaven;
Pillar #13 - You must not exchange your Iglesia ni Cristo membership with anything in this world, and you must not draw back nor easily be discouraged, but must be firm in your election;
Pillar #14 - Believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is not God but man;
Pillar #15 - Believe that God, the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ have not the same attributes and powers;
Pillar #16 - Believe that any verses in the Bible used by men to prove that Jesus Christ is God are erroneous translations or interpretations;
Pillar #17 - You must lead a new life upon membership in the Iglesia ni Cristo;
Pillar #18 - You must attend worship services every Thursdays and Sundays in the INC chapel; Non attendance to worship services is a great sin that has no more remedy except the fire that shall consume the enemy of God;
Pillar #19 - You must give contributions and Thanksgiving offerings weekly;
Pillar #20 - You must love the brotherhood;
Pillar #21 - You must not intermarry with a nonmember nor eat any blood;
Pillar #22 - You must be baptized in order that your sins may be forgiven;
Pillar #23 - You must do missionary work and know how to pray;
Pillar #24 - You must submit to the Church Administration led by Brother Erano Manalo and Eduardo Manalo;
Pillar #25 - You must always maintain unity being implemented in the Church of Christ not only in voting, but also, in all that you do in the Church;
Pillar #26 - Believe that on Judgment Day you will be resurrected from the dead to receive the inheritance promised to members of the Church of Christ
Pillar #27 - Know all by heart the above Pillars 1 through 26. You must be recorded and registered in the Records Section and given a nametag to turn every time you attend the worship service. You must also attend the weekly committee group prayer of your overseer/watcher to listen to some private instructions from the Church Administration. Expect a visit from your overseer (deacon or deaconess) to warn and counsel you should you neglect the worship services or the group prayer meetings;

Pillar #28 - You must belong to one of the following organizations to be strengthened in your faith:
Buklod, if you are married;
Kadiwa, if you are single and 18 years old and over;
Binhi, if you are single and 13 to 17 years of age.


NOTE: When the Iglesia ni Cristo leader touches on obeying the words and commands of God or doing the works required by God that should accompany the faith or belief in Jesus Christ, he is referring or talking to no other things but these 28 pillars of the Iglesia faith.

EXAMPLE:

Minister: "My brethren, let us obey all the commands of God in order to be blessed by God. Brethren, is attending the worship service a command of God? Yes, it is! (Note:See Pillar #18). Is doing missionary work a command of God? Yes, it is! (Note:See Pillar #23). Is giving contributions and thanksgivings a command of God? Yes, it is! (Note:See Pillar #19). Therefore brethren, let us prepare for our coming thanksgiving this coming December, 2004. We have only 4 to 6 weeks to prepare. Let us give generously and be abounding in our thanksgivings. And God promised that he will not abandon us and will shield us from any troubles in this world."

CONCLUSION:

THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO ONLY FOLLOWS THE PILLARS OF FAITH CONTAINED IN THE "FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS" GOSPEL BOOK OF FELIX Y. MANALO. SINCE THESE COMMANDS ORIGINATED (WRITTEN) BY FELIX Y. MANALO, THEREFORE, WHAT THE IGLESIA MEMBERS ARE FOLLOWING ARE COMMANDMENTS OF A MAN.

Will God accept the Iglesia ni Cristo's services of following Felix Manalo's commands? Let's read:

"And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Mt.15:9,NKJV)

Sad but true. These Iglesia members were fooled by Manalo into a worthless service.

 
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the truth of the Bible

January 14 2007, 10:10 AM 

January 13 2007 at 3:17 AM
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Hebrews 8:6-7
But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises. For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

belief that Manalo is the last messenger is belief in a third covenant. why would God send Manalo if there was nothing wrong with Christ? the "Last" according to Apostle Paul surely means "superior." Yet, Jesus Christ is superior to the Old Covenant and he was sent by God. there is NO NEED for Manalo because we know Christ finished his work.

John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Hebrews 1:1-4
In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

notice how the author says "In these last days." the last days have been in existence since the death and resurrection of Christ. how, then, can the INC claim that "in these last days, God speaks through the Church administration by virtue of the comissioning of Brother Felix Y. Manalo as last messenger"? That is making manalo equal to Christ and is severely blasphemous. Christ is the last messenger in these last days! stop being fooled, brothers! Manalo is obstructing the radiance of God's glory by putting himself in between you and God!

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

saying that Jesus' church was apostasized IS saying that the gates of Hades had overcome his Church. by saying you are the re-emergance, you are calling Christ himself a liar.

Matthew 7:24-27
"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

We can read in Matthew 16:18 that Jesus built his church on rock. Therefore even when the rains come down, the streams rise, and the winds of apostasy and falsehood beat against the Church... the fact remains that Christ built his church on rock and it COULD NOT fall. true believers remained and kept up the spiritual foundation and fellowship of Christ's church. the INC likes to pretend that after the apostles died, wolves entered the church and completely destroyed it. wolves had been inside the church since BEFORE the apostles died! why else would the apostle John write so much to stay away from false prophets? the fact is that true believers believe no matter what tides strike against the Church. the church will always be in existence because Christ built it on ROCK. saying that the church was COMPLETELY apostasized is calling Jesus Christ a fool who built his church on sand.

please, INC friends, do not be fooled by these mad men anymore. the truth of the Bible is clear.

 
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The Trinity of the Iglesia ni Cristo

February 28 2007, 8:37 PM 

Iglesia ni Cristo members do not like the Trinity.
I know INC members like logical and practical doctrines.
I will try to give you a logical and practical explanation.

To start a successful religion you need 3 things.

Felix Manalo did know this.
Jesus Christ did know this.
Siddhartha Gautama did know this.

The 3 things you need are:
- A foundation of truth
- An inspiration of truth
- A manifestation of truth

Since these three aspects of truth are equally important
it make sense to value them equally and not make one more
important then the other.

The Trinity of Christianity
Foundation: The love of God the Father
Inspiration: Jesus Christ
Manifestation: The Holy Spirit

The Three Jewels of Buddhism
Foundation: The Dharma
Inspiration: The Buddha
Manifestation: The Sangha

The Trinity of Iglesia ni Cristo
Foundation: The Bible Lessons
Inspiration: Felix Y Manalo
Manifestation: The Ministers

Would you pray in the name of the The Bible Lessons, Felix Y Manalo and the
ministers, Amen?

Would you take refuge in the Bible Lessons?
Would you take refuge in Felix Y Manalo?
Would you take refuge in The Ministers?

The fact is that no INC members can take refuge in any of these.
They cannot even take refuge in the Father because He
can only be reached through the Iglesia ni Cristo.
A INC member can only take refuge in his membership

Felix also did know he needed perspiration to make it his dream church.
Being a lazy bum only interested in money, power and women
he instructed the members to do all the sweating for him.
You can witness this two times a week inside the Iglesia ni Cristo sweatshops.
Always the administration reminds their members of their duties
while the duties of the administration seemd to be limited to:

- To take care of the offerings
- To prepare next week's lesson
- To take care of the book of live
- To corrupt politicians

 
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EVIDENCE PROVING THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO MANDATORY WORSHIP IS A BRAINWASHING WORSHIP SERVICE

March 17 2007, 12:22 PM 

October 12, 2001
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The evidence proving the Iglesia Ni Cristo's worship is a brainwashing worship service is their worship service lesson that is prepared and conjured by Erano G. Manalo (EGM), son of the deceased self proclaimed messenger of God, Felix Y. Manalo. In his Sunday's (Oct. 7, 2001) prepared lesson designed to forestall members from leaving the Iglesia ni Cristo church, Erano G. Manalo emphatically shut out any member's thinking of ever leaving the Iglesia ni Cristo. Quoting only a portion of Ezra 8:22, the Iglesia leader warns all members that THEY WILL INCUR THE WRATH OF GOD IF THEY EVER FORSAKE THEIR MEMBERSHIP IN THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO (CHURCH OF CHRIST). Also, once again, the Iglesia leader reindoctrinates and brainwashes members that they are the third group of Church of Christ with promised salvation. The full worship lesson is reproduced below:

TOPIC: GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE

Q: What is God's promise to those He has chosen?
A: "Remember that the Lord has chosen the righteous for his own, and he hears me when I call to him." -Ps. 4:3 Today's English Version
EGM: God hears those whom He has chosen.

Q: What is the distinction between those chosen and those not chosen?
A: "The Lord has chosen everyone who is faithful to be his very own, and he answers my prayers." - Ps. 4:3 Contemporary English Version
EGM: The distinction is that God answers the prayers of those He has chosen who are faithful to Him.

Q: When God abandoned their faith and separated from God, did God choose a replacement?
A: "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you." - Jn. 15:16 New King James Version
EGM: Jesus Christ chose a replacement for Israel with the same priviledge of having their prayers answered by God.

Q: What is Christ's right in choosing people?
A: "I am the vine, and My Father is the vinedresser." -Jn. 15:1 NKJV
EGM: Christ right to choose people comes from His being the vine planted by God.

Q: How are those chosen by Christ being compared to?
A: "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing." -Jn. 15:5 NKJV
EGM: Those chosen by Christ are compared to branches of the vine.

Q: Do all churches belong to Christ?
A: "And He is the head of the body, the church." -Col. 1:18 NKJV
EGM: No. Not all churches belong to Christ. The verse says Church not churches.

Q: What is the name of this church?
A: "Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood." -Acts 20:28 Lamsa Translation
EGM: As we have heard, the name is Church of Christ or Iglesia ni Cristo.

Q: What are the conditions so that members of the Church of Christ will have their prayers answered by God?
A: "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it hall be done for you." -Jn. 15:7 NKJV
EGM: Two conditions: Abide with Christ and words of Christ must abide in you.

Q: How can we ask God our needs?
A: "Therefore I say to you, whatever you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them." -Mk. 11:24 NKJV
EGM: We can ask God our needs by means of our prayers.

Q: What is the enemy of our faith?
A: "But when you pray, you must believe and not doubt at all. Whoever doubts is like a wave in the sea that is driven and blown about by the wind. A person like that unable to make up his mind and undecided in all he does, must not think that he will receive anything from the Lord." -Js. 1:6-8 TEV
EGM: Doubting is the enemy of our faith. If we doubt, we will not receive what we pray for.

Q: What else should we remember everytime we ask something from God?
A: "Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us." -1 Jn. 5:14 NKJV
EGM: We must ask only for those things according to His will.

Q: Why do others do not receive what they are asking for?
A: "You ask and do not receive because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures." -Js. 4:3 NKJV
EGM: Things amiss and things that we will spend in pleasures will not be given by God.

Q: What is the proof that we do not doubt for the things we pray for?
A: "Be patient, and wait for the Lord to act; don't be worried about thoe who prosper or those who succeed in their evil plans." - Ps. 37:7 TEV
EGM: Waiting patiently is proof of our non doubting for God.

Q: To whom should we seek our happiness?
A: "Seek your happiness in the Lord and he will give you your heart's desire. Give yourself to the Lord; trust in him, and he will help you." -P. 37:4-5 TEV
EGM: We should seek our happiness in the Lord God. He will help us if we trust Him.

Q: How about us, are we chosen by God?
A: "And it shall come to pass in all the land, "Says the Lord, "That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, But one-third shall be left in it; I will bring the one-third through the fire, Will refine them as silver is refined. And test them as gold is tested, They will call on My name, And I will answer them. I will say, 'This is My people'; And each one will say, "The Lord is My God.'" -Zech. 13:8-9 NKJV
EGM: Yes, we are the one-third that Prophet Zechariah said will be left in. God also will answer our prayers.

Q: How many groups of Church of Christ are there?
A: "For the promise is unto you, and unto your children, and to all who will be coming from far away place from distant time and from distant place." -Acts 2:39
EGM: There are three groups. To you refer to the Jews. To your children refers to the Gentiles. To all coming from far away place from distant time and from distant place is the Church of Christ. Distant time is July 27, 1914. Distant place is the Far East which is Philippines. The two-thirds that were cut off or were apostatized were the Jews and the Gentiles. There is one-third that will remain or will not be apostatized.

Q: Who are these one-third that will be left in?
A: "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold, them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd." -Jn 10:16 NKJV
EGM: The one-third is us who were called into the Church of Christ in the last days through the commissioning of Brother Felix Y. Manalo by our Lord Jesus Christ.

Q: How did God call his people in the last days?
A: "Indeed the lord has proclaimed To the end of the wordl; Say to the daughter of Zion, "Surely your salvation is coming; Behold, His reward is with Him, And they shall cll them The Holy People, The Redeemed of the Lord; And you shall be called Sought Out. A City Not Forsaken." -Isa. 62:11 NKJV
EGM: God calls us the Daughter of Zion. Zion means Church of Christ. We are not the first century Church of Christ, but we are the daughter of that first century Church of Christ. We are sure of our salvation, therefore, we must not exchange our membership in the Church of Christ with anything in this world.

Q: What will happen if we abandon our membership in the Church of Christ?
A: "The hand of our God is upon all those for good who seek him, but His power and His wrath are against all those who forsake Him." -Ezra 8:22 NKJV
EGM: We must not abandon our calling as members of the Church of Christ. God's wrath and power will be upon those who forsake our God. How dreadful it will be if God will be our enemy. We must not exchange our membership for anything else in this world. We must remain members until the end of our borrowed life or until the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

PREPARED BY

ERANO G. MANALO


NOTES:

FALLACIES AND TRICKS OF EGM'S BRAINWASHING LESSON:

1) Ezra 8:22 was quoted partially. EGM instructed ministers to not read the introductory phrase of the verse which says,

"For I was ashamed to request of the king an escort of soldiers and horsemen to help us against the enemy on the road, because we had spoken to the king, saying, "The hand of our God...."

Using only a part of the verse is a standard trick of the Iglesia ni Cristo in order to modify the context of the verse being used. Obviously, the part used is for the purpose of scaring members from leaving the Iglesia ni Cristo cult.

2) Why does EGM repeats, reiterates, reindoctrinates members about the apostasy of the first century church when their members had already receive the doctrine upon membership? The point here is that repetition of doctrine over and over again makes a false statement or fale doctrine true. In Psychology, this is what is called as Classical Conditioning, which is, a type of learning in which a stimulus acquires the capacity to evoke a response that was originally evoked by another stimulus. Simply said, classical conditioning is conditioning the mind by tricking it with a bait for repeated periods such that the mind no longer discriminates what is being feed even after the bait is withdrawn.

APPLICATION OF THE IGLESIA CLASSICAL CONDITIONING:

People chosen by God (Iglesia doctrine):
1. Jews (true statement serving as bait);
2. Gentiles (true statement serving as bait);
3. Iglesia ni Cristo (false statement serving as main gourmet)

A repetition of this doctrine in the twice a week mandatory worship service of the Iglesia train the minds of Iglesia member to accept the three groups a people chosen by God. Later, the Iglesia ni Cristo changes the gourmet by taking out the baits as follows:

People chosen by God
1. Jews are no longer people of God because of their idolatry;
2. Gentiles are no longer the people of God having been apostatized;
3. Iglesia ni Cristo is now the current people of God.

APPLICATION OF CLASSICAL CONDITIONING OF THIS WORSHIP LESSON:

Segment 1 Psalms 4:3 - True;
Segment 2 John 15:16, 1, 5, 7 - True;
Segment 3 Christ is the head of the Church of Christ - False;
Segment 4 Mark 11:24 - True
Segment 5 James 1:6-8; 4:3 - True
Segment 6 John 15:14 - True
Segment 7 Psalms 37:7, 4-5 - True;
Segment 8 Church of Christ is 3rd group (Zech. 13:8-9; Acts 2:39; John 10:16) - False
Segment 9 Church of Christ is daughter of Zion (Isa. 62:11) - False
Segment 10 - Forsaking Church of Christ incurs wrath of God (Ezra 8:22) - False

NOTE: In the application of classical conditioning, there is always a bait (the verses applied in its true context). The main gourment are actually the falsely applied verses.

3) Zion refers to Jerusalem (Smith's bible dictionary, p. 767). Zion is a city not the Church of Christ. The daughter of Zion referred to in Isaiah 62:11 is actually the daughter of Jerusalem (Zech. 9:9), or the same place Jerusalem that was reinhabited by the Israelites upon their return from exile (Zech. 12:6).

4) Zech. 13:8-9 do not refer to the three groups. There is no basis whatsoever in the verses whether literal or symbolic that the two thirds are the Jews and Gentiles, or the one-third is the Iglesia ni Cristo. The Iglesia's only basis is the Number three. Just because there is the number three in the verse does not mean it refers to the three groups being taught by Felix Y. Manalo. Actually, the three that is mentioned by the Prophet Zechariah are the following: JUDAH, ISRAEL, and JERUSALEM (Zech. 1:19). It makes sense that Judah and Israel are the two-thirds because these two divided kingdoms feel at the hands of the Assyrians and Babylonians. Jerusalem is the one-third because Jerusalem is the city where Jesus Christ appeared. The first century Christians were tested with fire and were persecuted after the ascension of Jesus Christ to heaven.

4) Christ chooses the people of God?

The fact is, only those granted permission by God can come to Jesus Christ (John 6:65,44). Therefore, only God the Father can choose whom He likes to call to become members of the flesh and bones body of Jesus Christ (Eph. 5:30).

 
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Message to New and Would-be Apostates from the Evil Cult of Manalo

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April 30 2007 at 8:41 PM

We are very happy that our expose has helped you find your way. One does not have to be brilliant to see the truth and certainly I never made such claim. Anyone who opens his eyes and uses his brain can see it. It is really very easy.

Now, I disagree that everyone who believes in religion is stupid. Of course I have said it many times myself. What actually I mean is that these people go to extreme lengths to believe in stupidities. Everyone can be fooled and has been fooled at some point in his life. This does not mean everyone is stupid. In certain cases even the most intelligent person can be fooled. The belief in INM cultic gobbledygook is extremely foolish. Very smart people have let themselves to be fooled and are manalo cultists. We had geniuses like justice serafin cuevas who became fooled by INM. This does not mean they are foolish all the time. They are just foolish in their belief in INM. The problem is that they accept premises that are baseless and as the result come to conclusions that are false. Here is one example. A while ago I received a message from a INM poster and coward impersonator, who wrote:

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"This is a big shift... I like your heartfelt dramatic portrayal...
but the INC are known to be God-fearing people, law-abiding citizen and they don't even bother you so what's your problem. Is it personal?. They have existed a long time ago, they have grown in numbers and yet they are still the same. Behavioral change cannot be done overnight..but I hope when they do, you are not going likened them as caged people. I can see that when you look upon people who have dedicated their lives to serve God, they are not free people based on your belief... but I will tell you, they are more happy than you know."

I share his message because it epitomizes the cultic mindset.

The first false premise is that he accepts whatever felix said as the word of God and deceptively quotes the bible as if his teachings is a divine authority. This is a false premise. The first question we must ask is whether the felix's teachings are from god. Do we have any proof for such claim? Not at all! On the contrary we have plenty of proof to show it is not. Felix's teachings contain logical and historic errors. We may not be able to see what is going to happen after we die and whether those outlandish claims of paradise and hell are true or false, but we can easily see his teachings that "felix was the fifth angel, that he studied in the PSR, that he stopped the WW1, that he was the last messenger of god, that all others who disagree his beliefs are doomed, and countless other statements of their doctrines are false.

How can God become so cruel and stupid? Cultists tend to close their eyes to all these absurdities and despite them accept this teachings as divine, just because felixsaid it is. Far from being a divine, the INM doctrine is one of the STUPIDEST and confused doctrines ever written.

Then we have the examples set by felix. We see a man who deceived the gullible folks in his time, raped his young and beautiful members, plundered them, beat his wife, and committed all sorts of atrocities worthy of the worst gangsters. None of that affects the faith of these believers. Nothing can shake them and wake them up.

The diehard cultists wants us to believe that this world is just a deception and what is real is what felix has said. Shouldn't they check first the credentials of felix? What if felixlied? We have evidences that felix lied! Not only their doctrines is a false doctrine and cannot be the revelations from the maker of this universe, we also have felix's own words encouraging his followers to deceive and hate other people who professes different beliefs. Of course he did not like anyone lie to him. He severely punished and warned those who kept some of the money offrerings or more accurately, stolen booty. If he is shown to be mistaken in almost everything that can be verified, how can we trust his description of things we cannot verify?

The cultists never pauses for a moment to wonder why recognizing God should be a challenge? If the consequence of disbelief is eternal burning, which in infinitely sadistic, why should God make this so difficult? Is God insane? Is He a psychopath? What felix is saying is that God will prize stupid people. Those who accept the gobbledygook of felix without questioning him, will be rewarded and those who use their brain will be punished severely and for eternity.

Just think about it! This god sends a man with no proof at all. Despite his claim that he has come with "clear proof", there is not a single proof about his claim. I have been asking cultists to show me one of those proofs. I promised them that if they come with just one proof, I would embrace INM again. Not a single person has been able to do that. So there is no proof. felix lied when he said he has come with clear proof. He asked people to believe in him simply because he said so and if they didn't, he ordered them to be disciplined and threatened. The only proof given was the threats. In other words, "I am right or you will burn in hell".

Now that is not all. This their false prophet and his alter ego satanic god makes things even harder. Not only his words in the pandoctrina are sheer stupidities that anyone with a little bit of commonsense can see, their prophet lives a life of a mafia godfather, engages in threats, deception, plunder and all sorts of ungodly deeds. Are these things good? Our inner being says no! Our intelligence says these are evil deeds. Our conscience is repulsed by these satanic actions. But that is not all. This so called prophet, ALSO says these things are bad. If these things are bad and he also knew it, then why he did such things? Why he perpetrated so many crimes?Shouldn't he be the one burning in hell for ever?

I have had cultists telling me in my face that we should not look at what felix did because after all he was just a man, but rather we must read his teachings "based on the bible" alone and from there get our guidance. In other words, we should listen to his words but not follow his examples. Do you see to what length some people are willing to go just to fool themselves? If he was a liar, why couldn't he have concocted his teachings? If he was a prophet, shouldn't he be the one to set the example? Confucius said the greatness of a man is in how much his words and his deeds match. A person who does not walk his own talk is not worthy of trust. Cultists know felix had lived a very avaricious life, was very unholy ang intolerant, etc. etc. Yet they want to be fooled. They have decided that foolishness is good. It is comfortable to believe in those stupidities. It is not that they can't think rationally; they simply don't want to do it.

Felix lived a less than holy life. Would really God choose a despicable man like felix to be the last guidance to Mankind? Does it make sense at all? Can the maker of this universe be so stupid, so cruel, so sadistic, to send an evil man like felix who commits crimes, fill his teachings of revelation will hodgepodge and ridiculous tales and demand us to forgo our intelligence and accept this evil man nonetheless or else we would face eternal burning. ETERNAL burning??? Isn't this nuts? How can the allegedly merciful God be so sadistic?

Do you see my friend? People are not genetically or clinically stupid. But they allow themselves to be fooled.

Cultists say these are all tests of faith. What is it that God wants to tests us for? How can we win this test? By being stupid? Is the person who is most gullible and accepts every nonsense without questioning the winner, the one who passes this "test"? In that case Heaven must be full of stupid people. Why should anyone with any degree of intelligence want to go and live among fools? Living among stupid people is like living in hell.

Have you received these emails known as "Nigerian Scam"? Obviously the scam must work otherwise they would have stopped sending them. Someone writes to you and says "she" is the widow of such and such African dictator and has 40 million dollars in securities that she wants to transfer to your account for safekeeping until she comes to your country. As recognition for your cooperation she will gives you 25% of that loot. Or that he is dying and wants to give all his inheritance, in the tune of 20 million dollars to a "God fearing Christian" like you to expend in charities on his behalf after his death. The scam is that this con artist will ask you to send to him a small amount of money for "building trust" or some other silly excuse. Just a few thousands of dollars, nothing more. Hey what is a few thousands of dollars when you are going to be a millionaire overnight? This person is going to trust you with millions of dollars after all. You send that money, he asks you for more, you have to send because you can not back off now that you have "invested" some thousands of your hard earned money. Then he asks for more.... You become frustrated but feel pressured to comply. I read that even smart people have fallen for this scam and have lost up to hundreds of thousands of dollars and even their lives. Sometimes these suckers are CEOs. They are smart people and yet allow themselves to be fooled. Why? It is because millions of dollars sound so attractive that they WANT to believe, even though it has "scam" written all over it. The temptation is so big that they intentionally silence their own better judgement and let themselves to be fooled.

I read an article about Jim Jones, David Koresh, Shoko Asahara and Charles Manson. This charlatans claims to be God or Messiah. The have gathered a few hundred followers and they are middle class intelligent people. Some of them are barely educated, but some of their followers are university professors. They have allowed themselves to be fooled. One technique of these cult leaders is silence. When you pay and go to their seminars he sits there, stares forwards and says nothing. Absolutely nothing! Then after 20 minuets, their devotees, overwhelmed by his presence, burst in tears and create a pathetic atmosphere inside the conference room. Some sob and others remain silent as if they are in the presence of their Maker. Someone stands up and undresses his or her soul, confessing how their prophet has changed his/her life and every one sobs. Someone says you are the master of my life and I don't have any more wills left in me except your will. He stares calmly and utters a few words of cliche like "truth speaks to you. Surrender and listen to the truth" or something stupid like that.

Their followers have left their homes, their careers and their families. Some cult leaders has orgies with their beautiful followers and were introduced to them by their parents. These stupid parents are delighted that God makes love to their daughters and feel privileged. Probably this is how the great fool Rosita Trillanes felt before she realized she was being fooled by felix and after felix offered to support her bastard son. His foolhardy followers are not bothered at all. They have rationalized everything and redefined the meaning of sex to convince themselves what this degenerate charlatan is doing is divine and not lust.

How can you explain that? Isn't that insane? Yet you can't say these people are clinically stupid. They have allowed themselves to be fooled. Because they WANT to believe, they miss, and deliberately overlook all the telltale clues that tell them this guy is a nutcase and a narcissist. They want to be fooled because it feels good. It feels good to surrender your intelligence to someone else that gives you great promises of salvation, enlightenment, paradise, or in the case of the stupid and gullible filipinos in the early 20th century, unconditional salvation. Also they can not go back because they have given up everything they possessed and have broken all the bridges behind them. So because awakening is too painful, they will do everything not to awaken.

Cultists want to be fooled. They have the choice. They can find the truth with the same ease that you and I found it. Of course we are not more intelligent than all other cultists. But you and I decided to see the truth, diehard cultists like observer and VER don't WANT to do that. The believers WANT to be fooled because it feels good. They cheerfully abandon reason because in this abandonment they find serenity and peace. When you stop thinking and forego your greatest human faculty, you enter in a state of blissful stupidity. This is a state of "wakeful somnolence", in this state you are physically awake, but oblivious of the reality that is going around you. You enter in the paradise of ignorance. You live in a make-believe world of fantasies. You walk on this earth but your head is in the cloud seven. It is like being drugged. This is the state of blissful ignorance in which you rejoice in your stupidity and take pride in your foolishness.

Martin Luther said:

"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has: it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but--more frequently than not --struggles against the Divine Word...."

And:

"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God."


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Why Mock the Ugly and Dirty Cult of Manalo?

May 7 2007, 1:14 AM 

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April 26 2006 at 7:58 PM

Because it is therapeutic! Mocking is a very powerful way to convince those who are unwilling to think to do it. Shame is a great motivator.

Felix suffered from malignant narcissistic personality disorder. His followers, to the degree that they emulate him, think like him and try to behave like him, have entered into his narcissistic bubble universe and have become narcissists by extension. This happens to all cultists. In all cults, the insanity of the guru reflects on the followers who surrender their intelligence to him and follow him unquestioningly and brainlessly.

The narcissists feel grandiose and self-important. They want to be acknowledged without commensurate merit. They want recognition and preferential treatment. They expect respect without feeling any obligation to reciprocate. They get their sense of self- importance by putting you down, criticizing you, decrying your world and disparaging your values and traditions, but you are not allowed to slight them. It is okay for them to mock and abuse your beliefs, but you are not supposed to mistreat them in the slightest way. In fact, they demand privileges that are not available to others. What they want is your respect and submission. That is what INCM is all about.

Never comply.

The narcissists are bullies. They should not get what they want or they become emboldened and demand more. They will never be satisfied. The more you give in, the more demanding they become. They can never have enough narcissistic supplies. It is a mistake to give in to their caprices and comply with their demands.

The narcissist takes himself too seriously. He lacks self-esteem and what he dreads most is humiliation. For him, image is everything. He attacks you, verbally, physically, or both. He highlights your faults and belittles you. By doing so he feels better about his own failures. He hides behind a false image of self righteousness. That image must be destroyed and the way to do that is through ridicule.

Charlie Chaplin knew the great power of ridicule. A strong opponent of racism, in 1937 Chaplin decided to make a film on the dangers of fascism. As Chaplin pointed out in his autobiography, attempts were made to stop the film being made: gHalf-way through making The Great Dictator I began receiving alarming messages from United Artists. They had been advised by the Hays Office that I would run into censorship trouble. Also the English office was very concerned about an anti-Hitler picture and doubted whether it could be shown in Britain . But I was determined to go ahead, for Hitler must be laughed at.h

Just like in the thirties, today there are many useful idiots and opportunist politicians who defend INCM to receive the support of INCM block voting, apply censorship and try to silence its critics. These fools must be put to shame too.

Do not underestimate the power of ridicule. This is not a laughing matter. Mock Felix the fruitcake and INCM as this will eventually help the Manalo cultists get rid of their cult. They must feel embarrassed for calling themselves Manalo Cultist.

This therapy works. I have seen it work many times. Intelligent people, who at first defend INCM, feel embarrassed to be called Manalo cultists, once they see the stupidity of this cult, and claim they are not cultists. They try to dissociate themselves from it. At first this distancing may not be heartfelt, but the very fact that they prefer to hide their real sentiment about INCM because they are embarrassed of it is the first step -a very important one - for them to leave INCM in reality. It is just a matter of time that they cut their umbilical cords from it and get rid of this cult completely.

Today Manalo cultists become angry if you ridicule their faith, but once they are free from this bondage of the mind they will thank you for it. And it works! I have successfully reverted to RCC and Born Again all of those whom I helped to convert to INCM when I invited them to GEM when I was in high school.

Ridicule INCM and ridicule those who defend it. Put to shame the appeasers and opportunists even if they are politicians. Expose the stupidity of INCM and laugh at its ignorant supporters.

INCM will become history once the asininity of it becomes so obvious that any person with intelligence feels embarrassed associating himself with it or defending it.

In not a very distant future, calling a person "Manalo Cultist" will be seen as an insult and one could be seriously offended if he is called that, just as today one is offended if he is called a "Klucker" or "Nazi".

 
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For cultists - What would you do on the day that you will join felix in hell?

May 7 2007, 1:14 AM 

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April 26 2007 at 10:51 PM

Wouldn't that be a big surprise?

Then you cry and kick yourself and ask WHY? WHY? WHY?.... You ask that for eternity. There is plenty of time there. Other Iglesia cultists burning in hell will tell you because God gave us a brain and we decided not to use it. Why didn't we use our brain? You ask as a new comer. Someone whose flesh is falling apart and smells of barbequed ham will cry out: My God we were afraid to use our brain. It is all the fault of that evil Felix who lied to us and frightened us to use our brain. Then all of you descend to the lowest pit of the Hell where you hardly can bear it to find Felix. You will all get hold of that fiend and tear his flesh apart just as he, with the help of his brainwashed savage followers tore the flesh of millions of people apart. You garb him, take a hot rod and shove it into his mouth until it comes out of his other end and in this way you put him in the centre of hell where the flames gush out and burn him more. The temperatures there can reach 3000 degree centigrade or more. That hot. Very hot!

After you all quench your thirst for revenge you come up to the upper hell where it is cooler and is dedicated for those who have done no harm to others but are there just because they were stupid. You sit there crying for ever and remembering this message that I wrote to you today. You ask yourself: why I did not use my brain when finding the truth was so simple?

You wonder how often you used your brain for trivial things like when you wanted to buy a car, a house, or even a pair of shoes. You used your brain for studying, for doing your daily work and just about for everything Eexcept for finding the truth about God. There, in what was the most important decision of your life, you chose not to use your brain and believe brainlessly in the lies of a false prophet who deceived so many people, looted them and raped some of the members.

At this moment you fall on your face on the hot ground of the hell and hit yourself hard. This level of hell is called Regretdom. It is because no one will punish you but yourself. There you kick yourself and regret for not using your brain. You become your own tormenter. Sometimes you feel the breeze from the heaven reaching you and this makes you regret even more.

You say, all the evidence was there for me to see and I dismissed them all. Why I was so stupid? Why no one told me the truth? Then you remember this message. And you remember that I told you the truth, but you just did not listen. You did not WANT to listen because you had become blind with a stupid cult.

You don't have to die to find out the truth. Then it would be too late. Felix did not give a damn if you go to hell because he was a messenger of Satan and wanted you to go to hell. But if you use your brain NOW, you can find the truth before you die. What good is there to find the truth when it is too late? Will a real God play such a cruel joke on us? Of course not! But you want to believe that God is cruel. You want to be stupid and die a stupid. So hell is for stupid people.

Remember my name (Cult Buster) as you have an eternity to recall what I told you and you did not listen.

God gave us a brain to use it. Those of us who did use our brains have found out the truth and have no doubt about it. It is as clear as is 8 + 8 = 16. There is no need to have faith or believe because the truth is as clear as mathematics.

Is what this charlatan Felix said clear as mathematics? Of course not. He just frightened his stupid followers to believe and not to think. He knew if they think and use their brain, they can see he had lied to them. So he warned them not to. Isn't that stupid?

You follow the messenger of Satan and go to hell all because you are afraid to use your brain.

What you as a cultist do if you die, go to hell and see this scene? It is too late then to change your mind. Do you have any proof that this is not going to be the case? It is very logical to assume that if there is indeed a hell as you guys imagine, Felix will be at the bottom of it. He will be burning in hell for lying, raping, deceiving innocent people including Rosita T.

Yes if there is a God and there is justice the way you imagine it, Felix is in hell. Don't be a fool and don't go to hell just because you dare not think and want to follow blindly other fools. God does not prize ignorance. Learn the truth and leave this demonic cult.

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Why do we "hate" the cultists of felix manalo?

May 11 2007, 10:08 AM 

Nobody hates you and nobody wants you to suffer misfortune. You must start analyzing our doctrines and see how much felix hated others who did not believe him. Cultists who follow felix are sows hatred to those who disagrees with them. Are you not watching the news?

Playing the role of the victim is part of the cultic game of deceit and even if you donft admit, you play that subconsciously. This is psychopathology. In no place I ever said hate cultists. This proves my point when I say felix was a psychopath and his mental sickness is reflected in all his followers.

Why you follow that monster? If you donft hate anyone and do not want to deceive anyone just leave INM. You canft be part of a cultic organization and say hey I am a good person. If you are a good person what are you doing in this cultic organization? INM is a cultic organization. This is very clear from the teachings of felix and of his vociferous and obnoxious ministers. Many of us were cultists and we left it when truth became manifest to us. You can too. If you donft then you are responsible. Still I am not saying anyone should hate you. But I am saying people should watch you because you are part of the same religion of hate and deception. All it takes is that you get hit by some crisis and seek your gholyh cultfs solace. Then youfll see your fake deity is asking you to hate the non-INMs and you might do it.

If you are not evil why you follow an evil man?

Felix was evil and you follow him. You do whatever he told you to do because you think by doing that you will be with him in heaven.

Do you think the cultists who are irritated in debates then physically hurt people and curse them think they are evil? No, they think they are doing Godfs work by defending your cult even if it means resorting to violence. They follow felix and do evil.

You believe in felix too. So how can we trust you?

It is very simple. You are either on the side of humanity and leave INM or you are part of that cultic organization and must be distrusted. This does not mean as a cultist you automatically become a deceiver and full of hatred. It means you are potentially as such.

Let me make an example. Some of the followers of Shoko Asahara, the Japanese cult leader, went to the subways in Japan and released a very poisonous gas intending to kill thousands of people. 12 people died and hundred became sick and impaired for the rest of their lives. Those who perpetrated this heinous crime were not bad people. In fact they were very good people. One of them was a renowned doctor. He joined this cult because he believed to cure people, spirituality is also needed. But this brilliant man foolishly followed a very evil man. In his trial he cried and said he was duped. He wanted to help people and ended up killing them. It all happened step by step and he trusted this cult leader so much that even though he knew killing people is wrong he convinced himself that Asahara knows best. (Donft cultists say INM administration knows best?) He was given life in Jail. His accomplices were so convinced of what they were doing that they never had any compunction. They thought in this way they are helping their victims to become free from the cycle of sin and achieve Nirvana. So as you see, when good people follow evil doctrines they do evil things without realizing it.

INM is a very evil cult. The cultists are not born evil. They become evil once they start following the teachings of INM.

You are a cultist and this means that at one moment in your life you may decide to follow what felix said. If you do that you become very dangerous. So now you are like a time bomb. You are of no danger to anyone and will hurt no one until you are ignited with faith. Then you become extremely dangerous. You canft control it. As long as you believe in felix, and think this monster was a prophet of God you are in danger.

We want to help you and remove you from INM and save you. We are not your enemies. We are your friends. We have been there ourselves and know perfectly what you think and how you feel. But we canft help you if you donft want to be helped. If you want to stick to your hate filled cult and act psychotically what else can we do but to watch you? How do we know when you are going to become a faithful cultist and a deceiver? With this kind of paranoia and the feeling of victimization you are half way there. All the other hatred cultists were just like you. They were good people, good citizens and had good hearts. But suddenly we heard they murder those who criticized ( let us say insulted) your cult. How do we know you wonft become one of them?

It is up to you. You must leave INM. You canft have your cake and eat it too. Not all the brainwashed followers of Asahara committed terrorism. But all of them were ready to do whatever their guru told them. They considered it an honor to follow his orders. They thought he knows best and they are not in a position to question his wisdom. They all posed a potential danger to society. The same applies to you cultists of manalo. They all consider it to be an honor to follow the Felix/Eranofs orders. They think he knew best. Your satanic god is a figment of felixfs imagination. Just as you may create a fictitious cyber name to come to your help and approve of you, felix created own god to come to his help and through him he fooled the gullible like you. Not all of the cultists are bad but they all pose danger to everyone.

I think we have to do everything possible to wean cultists from INM and reintegrate them in the fold of mankind. But if they resist, we must watch them carefully and treat them as potential murderer, just as we treat the followers of Asahara as potential murderers. The followers of Asahara are not in jail. They committed no crime. But they are under surveillance and must report to police their activities. This is necessary because of the risk that they pose. The same applies to non-cultists who convert to INM. Once they convert to INM they become the fifth column in their own society and should be treated as traitors. They are too annoying(or dangerous) to live among us.

You must make a real tough decision. Leave this madman called felix ysagun and his hatred cult or donft expect us to treat you as a human in good standing. You are a potential danger and it would be foolish for us to overlook that fact.

If you want help and have questions about INM, many in this site are ex-cultists and will be more than glad to help you. We will answer all your questions. We want you to leave INM, be happy and be a good member of the family of mankind. But if you insist to be a bad apple then we canft do much but to watch you and expose your stupid cult.

The bottom line is that we love you but we canft have you as a cultist. I would not allow my own father, brother or son to come to my house when he has a dangerous infectious disease such as SARS or Ebola. I want him to be quarantined until he recovers. You could be my own brother. But I want you to be quarantined until you leave INM and you are fully recovered.

The choice is yours.

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This Forum Under Attack By Cultist Cyber Hackers

June 7 2007, 1:47 AM 


This Forum Under Attack By Cultist Cyber Hackers

By@Cult Buster, ex-INM

This shows that this site has its intended effect. Cultists are losing the intellectual battle and they sense their end is near. The enlightened among them are leaving this cult and the benighted ones, those who have been reduced to zombies and are no more able to think rationally but are driven by hatred of others, strive hard to silence us. But their efforts are futile. The day of truth has dawned and these creatures of night that thrive only in ignorance can do nothing to prevent the light of the truth illumine the world. All this cyber cultists prove our victory is near and INMfs days are numbered.

For 90+ years INM advanced through deceptions and threats. The threats continue but thanks to the Internet their lies and deceptions are busted. Deception and threats are the two arms of INM. Threats alone cannot make them win and with the Internet their arm of deception is chopped. To compensate, they have increased their desperation to silence us, but that only hastens their demise.

Good humans who out of ignorance of INM call themselves INCs are seeing the real face of INM unmasked and are leaving it in droves. These pretend cultists have been the backbone of INM. They were the ones who gave legitimacy to it and the semblance of religion. Their innate goodness was credited to INM. The truth is that INM is not a religion, but rather it is a cult of hate that has deceived good people.

The good people are seeing the truth for the first time, divested from lies and deceptions and they are shocked. Once they get out of the denial mode and realize INM is not what they think and felix was a monster and not a prophet, they will leave INM.

Don't be intimidated by the threats of cultists. Ninety seven out of hundred of them are not cultists. They are good people who have been lied to. Once they come to see the truth, they will rise to destroy INM and to save their friends and relatives. The feeling of being betrayed and lied to will fuel their resolve and they will attack INM with vengeance. The followers of other religions leave their faiths but with no hard feelings. That is not the case with ex-INMs. Their divorce from INM is extremely acrimonious and their hatred of INM is intense. The ex-INMs are the soldiers that will battle INM. Felix knew this and that is why he was so intolerance of dissent. The exodus from INM will happen exponentially. 2 will become 4, 4 will become 8, 8 will become 16, then 32, 64, 128 and so on. INM will collapse. INM is house of cards. Once you remove one card, the whole house will come down. INM will collapse like communism did. During the time of Brezhnev no one could imagine that the end of communism is so near. Once the glasnost was introduced, the whole edifice of lies came down. Internet is the glasnost of INM. INM canft stand the light of truth. Truth will destroy INM and many of us will see its end in our own lifetime. This is not a prophecy, but a promise.

Some may call it a wishful thinking, but we the ex-INMs call it a gut feeling.



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Apostasy Story of Mr. V

June 7 2007, 1:51 AM 


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With Mr. V's permission, I post his message to me about his apostasy.

Apostasy Story of Mr. V


Dear Arlo*

I wish to share with you about how I became an apostate of INC. It all started around 6 months ago when I decided to hear what the apostate of INC had to say. However, I used to go to our church 2x a week without fail and also I used to make generous offerings. It is hard for me to believe that even though I am a devout INC, it took me only a few weeks to stop going to church after reading internet forums, mainly reading about the testimonies of those who left INC.

I was shocked at first when I read most of the writings like yours. I was speechless when I read your messages.

From here on, I started to doubt. I don't know Cultbuster, but however I feel that INC doesn't really sink in to me when I was still an INC. I think that is why I am able to left this religion so quickly. I think that I was forcing myself.. Around a few weeks ago, I remember when you e-mailed me to stop bury my head under the sand, that, in an instant, I decided to be an apostate. But until now, I still cannot believe to the fact that I am already an apostate. I even feel that I have an 'evil' side of me, much like a split personality, and I wish that I was being given a pill that could change my emotion and I also wished that I could just bury my head under the sand and pretend not to know anything. But I know that in life, when you have doubt, you don't ignore them, because that is what keeps them growing. You just have to clear those doubts. But I wasn't able to. Instead, I find more doubts. I also seek for answers from my dad, a minister. But his answers do not satisfy me. Right now, as I typed these words, I don't know myself anymore. I felt weird when I left INC and when I think that God does not exist. Now, I feel that I stand in between an atheist or an agnostic, But more towards atheist. However, I would like to be known as a freethinker as I want to free my mind, free from any kind of belief. Thatfs it about me.

A question about your own story of apostasy and expose that you said you will distribute in pdf format: You said that you attacks the very foundation of INC and when they read, people will start to asking questions. I mean, just how many INCs are willing to hear other opinions? Not many. And just how many people actually read these kind testimonies? Our Administration has a huge influence in Philippine politics. People leaving INC, but I also heard from my dad that more people are converting to INC (he doesn't know that I already apostatized, because he will ostracize me if he knew that. He told me quite a few times. Are you sure INC will end? Because if I'm correct, if your writings did cause people to question about INC, I will witness the end of INC either when I'm already working or when I'm doing my studies at the university. That is all.

Regards,

Mr. V


*Arlo is also my pseudoname of course



Dear Mr. V,

I am glad you were able to see the truth and have realized that INM is false. The strange feeling of denial, shock, confusion, guilt, sadness, and even anger after finding the truth is normal. You may even feel that you have done something terribly wrong and will want to revert back to INM. This is all part of the process of enlightenment. We all went through these stages. I call them the seven valleys from faith to enlightenment.

It does not matter whether you call yourself an apostate or not. Even if you call yourself an INC and continue going to the kapilyas, life will never be the same for you again. You are out of the womb of ignorance. You are born in a new world where everything is different. Babies cry when they are born. That is because they know nothing about this world and all they feel is that they are separated from the only world that they know. Birth was a painful experience for all of us and I donft think anyone wanted it to happen. The comfort of the known and the fear of the unknown is what keep us from making the leaps necessary for your growth.

I have seen many people, including yours truly, who could not let go and vacillated between blind cultic faith and disbelief for a long time. However, once you learn the truth, there is no unlearning it. One can go back and fool himself for a few more years trying to keep his head under the sand, but at the end he will have no choice but to resign to the fact that he is out of that paradise of ignorance and should move on.

You do not have to say anything to your father or to anyone about leaving INM. Keep going to the kapilyas if your father asks you to and pretend worshipping if necessary. You are out of INM and INM is out of you no matter what you do, say or think. I can say that many people who have left INM are still in the forums like this and defending it. I can see that they are no longer INMs but they like to live in denial for now as admitting the truth is too painful. Eventually they will admit it too. There is no hurry. We are not recruiting people to do anything. We are spreading knowledge. Each person has his or her own pace of growth. It took you six months, it took me at least one year. You are smarter than me. Some people do it in days and others in years.

You say that now that you left INM, it feels strange not to believe in God. But who said you should abandon the belief in God? God has nothing to do with felix and INM. If you choose not to believe in God, that is your choice, but you must not think that by leaving INM you have to leave God. Many apostates, including myself, felt that we found God, the real God, after letting go of our fear of Satan, the sadistic god of felix.

Apostasy is knowledge. You do not have to do anything to be an apostate. There are no baptisms initiation rituals. Once you have the knowledge of the truth, you can no longer believe in lies and absurdities. The next step is to spread this knowledge. Do that with caution specially your father is a minister, as I imagine you do, use only the Internet cafe to speak out your mind.


Welcome to the world of enlightenment. Your real growth has just begun. Now that you have become a freethinker and a critical thinker, you are on your own to find the realities of life. Freedom entails responsibility. Now it is your responsibility to choose the right path and live the right way.

Yes INM will not last. This age is the age of free information and this means the end of INM. Ignorance and knowledge cannot live side by side. INM is ignorance and ignorance will dissipate once knowledge is spread like darkness that vanishes with the introduction of light. For 90+ years cultists managed to keep the darkness by not letting the light in. That is no longer possible.

The expose that I am currently doing about the psychology of felix and why he did what he did. No one can read that expose and not be affected. It will shed a lot of light on the mind of felix and one cannot help but accept that the founder of INM was indeed a psychopath. The proof is overwhelming. This will be available in pdf format for free

Wish you the best,

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Why is the INC symbol made up of the Jewish menorah and the Italian Flag?

August 22 2007, 2:39 AM 

Why is the symbol of the Iglesia ni Cristo made up of the Jewish menorah and the Italian Flag?
Are they trying to recruit Italian Jews?
Just curious.

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THE ABOMINABLE MAN MADE WORSHIP OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO OF MANALO

October 18 2007, 4:33 PM 

Worships that are based on the commandments of men are vain worships (Mt.15:9)
This Manalo made worships being done by these impostor Christians was fashioned exclusively by Felix Y. Manalo who obtained his office (as leader of the INC) from various religious leaders (including a Catholic priest) in the Philippines in December 1918. His installation and laying of hands on him coincided with the INC's fifth anniversary of its existence (See Paanyaya document or Invitation). If in 1918 it was its 5th anniversary, then, it's founding was 1913! This Manalo's cult is caught misrepresenting to the whole world that it arose in 1914 when in fact it was in November 1913 did Manalo started to get converts for his INC cult.

The Manalo Made Worship Service:

1. Segregation of males and females and children. This segregation is reminiscent of the segregations by the Nazi SS of concentration camp Jew prisoners between males and females and children for the purpose of extermination.

2. Compulsory attendance to the man made worship. This compulsory worship is reminiscent of King Nebuchadnezzar's enforcement of forced worship of the golden image he had made (Dan.3:1-5). Manalo always scares his deceived converts of lake of fire punishment should they escape the worship of Manalo's INC idol.

3. Compulsory offerings and setting aside of monies which is an evil scheme to siphon off his members' monies gradually but surely. Manalo has a doctrine that as you become a member, it will be the start of non stop depositing of your monies to Manalo's treasury and such setting aside will never stop until you die. But Manalo's scheme does not stop there. You will have also to abound or increase yearly your thanksgiving setting asides in order not to displease the Manalo god. And Manalo has in place safeguards,too, for those who plan to decrease their payment of their thanksgiving debts. He commands them not to draw back or decrease their setting asides, or else, their INC idol will not be pleased with them.

4. Flipping of their nametags before entering their worship halls. This is Manalo's crude system of knowing who are the escapees to his man made worships on Thursdays and Sundays. Assigned guards who are the members' deacons and deaconesses jot down the names of worship escapees for disciplinary action.

5. Required personal prayers for their own behalf notwithstanding that the worship is for God's behalf.

6. Praying alternately to God and to Jesus Christ, yet, the prayers are being asked in the name of Jesus mocking Jesus shamelessly. Try to ask John Iglesia to give you bread and at the same time asking your asking in the name of John Iglesia and you can see how foolish are these fake worshipers.

7. Treating Jesus Christ as a man only with flesh and bones and not spirit, yet they pray to Jesus in the spirit.

8. They are praying to Jesus yet they claim Jesus is their head, therefore, exposing themselves as having another head.

9. The sermons they receive always twice a week is the repetitious "Importance of remaining in the INC and curses if you leave the INC."

10. All the things they do including their worship service are all in consonance or in obedience to Manalo's "Pangunahing Aral" gospel book or "Fundamental Beliefs" book that serves as the basis of their faith.

11. Singing and praising the Trinity God and yet their Manalo doctrine taught them to renounce the Trinity.

12. They are always asking for forgiveness of their sins every Thursday and Sunday worships, yet, they claim they are saints.


They make their INC chapels places of exchanging of monies and goods

Which are the merchandise being sold and bought by these impostor christians during their worships?

a. Pasugo magazines merchandise which their church administrator prints using the monies of members and letting members buy the products of their monies. This scheme is called Enriching the Administrator Twice at the Expense of its INC Members.

b. Certificates of Deposit merchandise which their church administrator sells through weekly money deposits or setting asides by members in one corner of their chapels. Members are issued deposit booklets in January so that details of their weekly deposits are entered and on December, before the Certificate bought is issued, the deposit booklets will be confiscated as ordered by their church administrator so that evidences of the thanksgiving scam will be gone. Recently, deposit booklets that had the Iglesia ni Cristo seal were replaced with one that have no INC seals to remove the liability of the INC corporation of Manalo in case the thanksgiving scam is litigated in courts.

The conduct by the Iglesia ni Cristo of Manalo of buying and selling merchandises in their house of worships is reminiscent of the anger of the Lord Jesus when He drove out the buyers and sellers from the temple including overturning their money changing tables, for converting the house of prayer into a den of thieves (Mt.21:12-13).

God's laws violated by Manalo in their abominable worship services:

a. Charitable deed must be done in secret in order to be rewarded openly by God (Mt.6:1-4). How violated: One on one collections of monies by Manalo's deacons and deaconess on seated members where monies given are witnessed by left and right seated members.

b. Standing in prayer instead of kneeling and bowing their knees (Ps.95:6; Isa.45:23; Eph 3:14). To add insult to injury, Manalo requires his ministers to kneel before him when they are being ordained, thereby, making Erano G. Manalo higher than God. The first instance when Iglesia members knelt to their leader was when Felix Y,. Manalo was bedridden, his members knelt before the bed of their leader to supplicate for FYM's health.

c. Deputizing members to wake up their sleeping neighbors at times of worship in violation of God's command not to judge others (Mt.7:1-5).

d. Ordering members to have expensive formal attires` in the worship service in contravention to anti discrimination of poor members command of Christ (Js.2:1-4).

E. Requiring its members to do devotional prayers in their chapels so that members can get visitors to their Bible Study in order to save people in contravention to God's sole authority of saving people (Jn 7:44-45). To add insult to the injury, visitors invited to their INC cult are not taught the gospel of Christ, but the damnable gospel of Felix Y. Manalo as written in their Pangunahing Aral or Fundamental Beliefs book written by Manalo.


A worship based on the commands of Felix Y. Manalo

A worship based on the commands of Felix Y. Manalo as enshrined in his unique Manalo gospel called "Pangunahing Aral ng Iglesia ni Cristo" or "Fundamental Beliefs of the I.N.C." Thus, LESSON 18 & 27 of this false gospel of Manalo stipulates:

LESSON 18 - Worship Services
Theme: It is the responsibility of the members of the Church of Christ to attend worship services on the days set for them.
Introduction
Twice a week, members of the Church of Christ hold worship services. This is done in the chapel or house of worship. We should give great value to this duty and not disregard it. On any day that a worship service is set by the Church, we should attend it and perform worship services to God.
Summary
Each member of the Church of Christ believes that constant attendance in worship services is one of his obligations. Great blessings accrue to those who constatntly attend worship services while great sins are committed by those who disregard this responsibility."

LESSON 27 - On worship service
As previously discussed in a separate section, you should, out of love, always attend the worship service.
To neglect the worship service is considered a serious trespass. From now on never miss attendance, unless you are seriously ill and physically incapable.
You should not be hindered by your employment or profession or any personal interest, in performing this duty. God should have priority over anything in the world.
When you attend the services in your locale, do not fail to turn your own tag (not somebody else's) before you enter the house of worship.
If you shall attend in another locale, do not forget to obtain a certificate of attendance from the Secretaries before you leave.
This certificate should be given promptly to your group leader or group secretary so that you will not be placed among the absentees."
(Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia ni Cristo, Erano G. Manalo, 1989, pp.71,124)

Why is this kind of worship dictated by Felix Y. Manalo and enforced by his successor son Erano G. Manalo, an abomination to God? It is because it is based on the commandments and schemes of Felix Y. Manalo. The Lord Jesus condemns this man made worship as VAIN WORSHIP:

"And in vain they worship Me. Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Mt.15:9 NKJV)

Take note of these evil schemes of Felix Y. Manalo:

1. Turning of your nametags;
2. Getting certificates of attendances;
3. Twice a week compulsory attendances;
4. Going to Manalo's chapels to do worship;
5. The worship is set by the Church (or Church Administrator or Felix & Erano Manalo);
6. Making non attendance a great sin and trespass.
7. Giving priority to Manalo's twice a week worship attendance than to employment or livelihood or personal necessities.

(Fundamental Beliefs of the I.N.C, Erano G. Manalo, 1989, p.71)

The laws of God violated by Manalo:

1. God does not dwell in temples made by hands (Acts 7:48). Who then sits in the temples or chapels of Manalo? It is Lucifer, the devil who sits on the mount of the congregation (Isa 14:13) Proof: There is always a vacant expensive seat in every minister's platform in Manalo's chapels. Take a look at the center throne like vacant seat furnished by Manalo. No one ever uses such expensive seat as it is reserved exclusively for their Lucifer master whom Manalo's slave members could not see in their twice a week worship.

2. True Christians, as it is today, come only to meet with brethren at their conveneint times (1 Cor.16:12). If Brother Apollos is with Manalo's INC cult today, he could have been tortured by Manalo and his henchmen ministers and deacons for not attending the cult's twice a week worship which non attendance of it was made by Manalo into a grave sin.

3. There is now a new kind of worship in spirit and truth (Jn.4:23) that does away worship in the mountains or worship in the Jerusalem (Temple) (Jn.4:21). This new kind of worship is accomplished by using our bodies in doing righteousness or fruit of the spirit (Rom.12:1; Gal.5:22-23;1Cor.6:20). Since Christians are made the temples of God (1Cor.3:16-17), there is no need to go to the temples or chapels of Manalo to worship God. These deceived members of Manalo's Iglesia cult are no longer Christians but are now Manalowians or followers of Manalo.
Since they are Manalo's or in Manalo's INC cult, they are ineligible to the first resurrection because only those in Christ or followers of Christ are entitled to the first resurrection (1Thess.4:16).

4. Fellowshiping with brethren for the purpose of exhorting one another or considering one another to stir up love and good works(Heb.10:23-24) had been converted and perverted by Manalo into reindoctrination sessions to brainwash his members again and again into the Manalo false gospel. Which should be entered as the house of God in which there is a High Priest according to Heb 10:21? It is Jesus Christ's FLESH! (Heb.10:20). This Manalo evil guy has replaced Christ with his INC corporation built chapel properties in order to get their monies. If you become a member of the INC cult, it is the start of making weekly deposits until death to Manalo's treasury bank that has secret branches located in all his chapels.


What is another reason why this Iglesia ni Cristo of Manalo has an abominable worship service besides its worship is man made by Felix Y. Manalo? Let's read one of the commandmemts of God that is flagrantly violated by this self exhalted messenger:

"But without your consent I wanted to do nothing, that your good deed might not be by compulsion, as it were, but voluntary." (Philemon 1:14 NKJV)

According to Apostle Paul, the true apostle of Christ, "..good deed might not be by COMPULSION as it were, but VOLUNTARY."

What about this false apostle Felix Y. Manalo, the revered false apostle of the Iglesia ni Cristo? What he teaches is what's prohibited! He compels all his INC members to attend the man made twice a week, Thursday and Sunday, worship services! And he wants this mandatory to obtain the offerings and setting asides money collections bonanza! The true apostles were never commanded to collect monies for what was given FREE, but, this Manalo always wants monies whenever you go to his chapels! Let's read the command violated by this false apostle of the Iglesia ni Cristo:

"Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast demons. Freely you have received, freely give." (Mt.10:8 NKJV)

The true apostles gave free what they received as free! What about this false Apostle Felix Manalo & Successor son Apostle Erano Manalo? Their greedy motto is: "WHAT WAS RECEIVED FREE MUST BE SOLD BACK WITH PROFITS!" And their Iglesia members can not do anything about it because they are forced to go to his chapel business buildings to pay the man made Manalo gospel.

THE DARK ERA OF FORCED WORSHIP BY KING NEBUCHADNEZZAR OF BABYLON IS REINTRODUCED BY FELIX Y. MANALO IN OUR TIME.

Here is the Bible's account of the dark age of forced worship by King Nebuchadnezzar:

"Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was sixty cubits and its width six cubits. He set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.
And King Nebuchadnezzar sent word to gather together the satraps, the administrators, the governors, the counselors, the treasurers, the judges, the magistrates, and all the officials of the provinces, to come to the dedication of the image which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.
So the Satraps, the administrators, the governors, the counselors, the treasurers, the judges, the magistrtates, and all the officials of the provinces gathered together for the dedication of the image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up.
Then a herald cried aloud: "To you it is commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages,
that at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, you shall fall down and worship the gold image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up,
and whoever does not fall down and worship shall be cast immediately into the midst of a burning fiery furnace." (Daniel 3:1-6 NKJV)

MANALO'S SIMILAR VERSION OF THE FORCED WORSHIP:

Felix Y. Manalo had set up a house idol called "Iglesia ni Cristo." Thereupon, Manalo's heralds who are his ministers announced to all Kadiwas, Buklods, Binhis, choir, secretaries, deacons and deaconesses, secretaries, group leaders, and all officers and cult members of the Iglesia ni Cristo wherever they are located inside or outside the Philippines, to gather together and worship the INC idol.

WHEN? Whenever Thursday and Sunday arrive or any day announced by the Church Administrator; (Lesson 18&27 of Manalo's Fundamental Beliefs gospel)

PENALTY FOR MEMBERS IF THEY DON'T WORSHIP THE INC IDOL: Will be thrown into the lake of fire with brimstone. (Lesson 18&27 of Manalo's Fundamental Beliefs gospel).


CURSED IS THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO OF MANALO FOR PREACHING OTHER GOSPEL THAN WHAT WAS PREACHED BY THE APOSTLES!

This Iglesia ni Cristo of Manalo boasts and thinks it has the right worship service, is it so? Let us now study this cult under the microscope.

First, let's read what was preached by the Apostles and then compare what was preached by this self proclaimed messenger of God, Felix Y. Manalo.

ON PRAYING TO GOD AS PREACHED BY THE APOSTLES:

"As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God." (Rom.14:11 NKJV)

"For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named," (Eph.3:14 NKJV)

ON PRAYING TO GOD AS PREACHED BY THE IGLESIA OF MANALO:

Knowing now what was preached by the Apostles, that, in praying to the Father, we should BOW our knees, what did this false prophet Manalo and his Iglesia ni Cristo preached? Let's read their other gospel:

"Open your heart during the assembly's prayers, whoever maybe leading. Please stand properly and close your eyes all throughout the prayer."
(Fundamental Beliefs of the I.N.C, Erano G. Manalo, 1989, Lesson#27, p.118)

This Iglesia cult of Manalo had preached another gospel! Instead of bowing their knees, they stand erect. Not a little respect do they deify their God! And these INC people claim they have the true God?

What else? Manalo ordered his members to close their eyes! Never did the apostles preached closing of eyes during prayer. As a matter of fact when Jesus prayed to the Father, his eyes were wide open:

"Jesus spoke these words, lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You." (Jn.17:1 NKJV)

If the Lord Jesus prayed with wide open eyes, what do you expect did His Apostles' manner of praying? That's right, with wide opened eyes! Of course, there is a great mystery why Manalo wants his deceived members' eyes closed. It is SHOW TIME for Manalo's evil master, the devil, who sits in the throne like vacant seat at the center of the minister's platform to renew or recharge the evil spirits planted in them. And so, after the worship service, they are freshly recharged and able to continue to serve as slaves of Manalo and continue to endure hardships and in depositing and paying the purpose of their INC calling, which are, to pay thanksgiving debts to Manalo and help Manalo to get more people who will become thanksgiving debt payers.

What is the Apostles' warning if there will be preachers who preach any other gospel from that which was taught by them? Let's read:

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8-9 NKJV)

Apostle Paul knows this Felix Manalo's penchant for jumping to various Bible versions, that's why he has to repeat. There is no way can Manalo change the teaching of Apostle Paul that preaching another gospel is alright no matter if he digs on other Bible translations.

The Apostle Paul said even an angel coming from heaven preaches another gospel, he should be cursed! What more do you think shall be our reaction if the one who preaches another gospel to us is just an angel from Taguig, Rizal, Philippines?

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October 27 2007, 3:11 AM 


 
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VoiceintheWilderness
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How is it that Pasugo can make images of Abraham and Moses, but not Jesus?

November 2 2007, 2:07 AM 

Your Pasugo can make image of Abraham and Moses, but not Jesus.

Why is that?

I would venture, Satan does not want Jesus remembered.

Pasugo is doing the work of Satan.

Therefore the church of Manalo is not church of Christ, but in reality church of Satan.


 
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"pls. help me god"

May 17 2008, 1:18 PM 

goodevening to all ,have a many problem of my family becaouse of the sortage of my financing.can give me a cel no# or amail add of yahoo massenger .


 
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Oberst Ozzy Osborn
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Philippine Arena, Eduardo Manalo, and INC Auditor General Jun Santos

June 26 2014, 10:38 AM 


 
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Oberst Ozzy Osborn
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Col ASP, Col Hijo, Capt Seabird, Col Wormy, USAF Airman Emmanuel, here's a Good One

June 26 2014, 11:16 AM 


here's a picture of INC ministers who said they read this forum, according to talks going wild in the Filipino and Mexican communities.

anyway, one of these INC ministers even led on-chapel attacks on Innocent female congregants on iglesia ni cristo chapel grounds in Santa Maria CA USA, and the INC minister (Jeremy Robles who was banished by Eduardo Manalo to Agusan del norte mindanao) was assisted in the on-chapel attacks by INC Head Deacons Artie San Antonio and Juan Castanaga and INC Deaconess Corazon Jacob.

Two other INC Ministers (USAF Airforce Bob Pellien and Dino Tigas Bunag) were trying to make male kadiwa congregants to submit to military-style interrogations at the INC chapel in Oxnard CA USA, and Dino Bunag was even making late night threatening phone calls (captured in company phone records) to homes of the male kadiwa congregants. Anyway, if Eduardo Manalo allows Dino Tigas Bunag to escape away from California to Quezon City away from the Cops, well, the Cops certainly will be alerted about former INC Minister and former INC Acting Secretary Allan Alcon Villanueva and Allan's extremely curious activities in the INC church including the illegal Texas Oil/Gas Leases that Allan signed for Erano Guzman Manalo and the Iglesia ni cristo Hawaii Religious Corporation and Allan's activities when INC Minister Renato Norona and INC Head Deacon Juan Castanaga were physically attacking church congregants on INC chapel grounds and were doing violent illegal Human Trafficking on INC chapel grounds in Santa Maria CA USA after Castanaga's kadiwa daughter suffered a violent bloody fatality in INC Head Deacon Juan Castanaga's house in Santa Maria California USA (and Eduardo Manalo quickly flew Juan Castanaga's iglesia ni cristo district of southern california supervising district minister Ranniel Serreno (Colonel Kung Fu Joe's cohort in Toronto) out of America and to Quezon City away from the Cops in America.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/70213/message/1403361118/Re-+Construction+of+Iglesia+Ni+Cristo%E2%80%99s+Philippine+Arena%2C+already+completed

 
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Oberst Ozzy Osborn
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look at these AWESOME pictures

June 26 2014, 4:56 PM 


 
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|Judie_84
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looks to me that ozzy is desperate for attention, hehe...

June 26 2014, 5:21 PM 


 
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Oberst Ozzy Osborn
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ok Colonel Judie. We applaud you for entering this Thread. Mucho Kudos to you, Sir

June 26 2014, 5:31 PM 


now, let's see if Colonel Kumag will re-enter this thread.
Colonel Kumag seems to be a previously active poster in this thread, but then went puffff.

 
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Oberst Ozzy Osborn
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Captain Seabird, you made the right choice to resign your Senior Officer INC position

June 26 2014, 5:38 PM 


Captain Seabird,
compare USAF Bob Pellien's before-picture in this thread, to his current after-picture as now seen in the INC website.

it seems the dude aged 40 years in the 20 years time span, since Mr. US Airforce minister has to deal with on a daily basis with erano manalo and eduardo manalo. so the moral of the story is, captain seabird, if you will have to deal with the dynamic manalo duo everyday, then if you wanted to avoid premature aging then you did a very wise move in resigning from your senior INC officer position.

 
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Oberst Ozzy Osborn
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Captain Seabird, here's supplemental comments to your observation

June 27 2014, 2:24 AM 


capt seabird,
you make the astute observations here
http://www.iglesianiquitso.org/told-to-read-the-bible-yet-we-could-not-teach-it-properly-t99.html

here's supplemental comments and supplemental observations:
One southern/central-coast california INC Head Deacon named Manolito Corpuz (who is nephew of pioneer INC USA minister Paul Membrere, Paul Membrere is also retired INC USMO supervising minister and INC District supervising Minister of Northern California and Pacific Northwest),

well this INC Head Deacon Corpuz said INC Ministers such as INC minister Renato Norona (now Salt Lake city resident minister) did physically unlawfully attacked male kadiwa congregants because the kadiwa congregants are too highly educated as far as having too many college degrees. So INC Head Deacon Lito Corpuz proved that Eduardo Manalo has a Secret Plan to drive out all college educated INC members away from the Manalo church because the educated congregants will actually start to read the Bible and discover the lies of the Manalo Family (like in the Book of Isaiah where the Manalo Family WRONGLY claims the ravenous bird of Isaiah 46:11 is Felix Manalo and not King Cyrus while the Bible says the ravenous bird is King Cyrus).

So INC california Head Deacon Lito Corpuz did say the more illiterate people there are in the Manalo church, the more the congregants will WRONGLY believe that Felix Manalo is the 5th Angel arising from the East and is the ravenous bird of Isaiah 46:11.

As INC Ministers Eduardo Villanueva Manalo, Jun Santos, Boy Santos, Resty Lazaro, USAF Bob Pellien, Dino Tigas Bunag, and Jeremy Catalasan Robles are reading this thread, we expect them to blow their top even more.

 
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Oberst Ozzy Osborn
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HEY INC WAYNE, WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THE ROSITA TRILLIANES RAPE STORY AND GOVT RULING?

June 27 2014, 11:56 AM 


Hey INC Wayne, do you have a response to this?

will you clear the Black Cloud above Felix Manalo and the Manalo family?

http://knowthetruth.ph/court-of-appeals-decision-in-the-rosita-trillanes-case/

 
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Oberst Ozzy Osborn
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Re: HEY INC WAYNE, WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THE ROSITA TRILLIANES RAPE STORY AND GOVT RULING?

June 27 2014, 12:09 PM 


here's a Manalo church minister who got jailed and fined since the minister got violent after the Rosita Trillines rape story was discussed to the judge.
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/rizalino-ocampo-spend-2-months-prison-punching-lawyer-hearing


here's an INC USA minister (Renato Norona) who went Beserk after Norona was warned to stop his illegal violent Human Trafficking acts with INC Head Deacons Juan Castanaga, Jun Viloria, Francisco Viloria, and Jesse Proceso Coronel. Renato Norona never denied the claim that Felix Ysagun Manalo did rape Rosita Trillianes. Renato Norona even surprisingly asked kadiwa congregants if the story is true that Felix Manalo did rape Rosita Trillianes and if the congregants believe that Felix Manalo did rape Rosita Trillianes.

So we have here an iglesia ni cristo USA minister Norona (who is an INC subordinate minister of then socal District Supervising Minister USAF Bob Pellien) asking kadiwa congregants if they believe the story is true that Felix Manalo did rape Rosita Trillianes.
Col ASP, USAF Airman Emmanuel, Sergeant WormJacob, Col Hijo, Captain Seabird, Col Promdi, and Mateo, we will bet you guys that you have not yet heard about these incidents about INC minister Renato Norona (now in Salt Lake City INC congregation).
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