It used to be that the INC interpreted John 1:3 as meaning that God created everything "because of" Jesus, reasoning then that the words "by" and "through" also mean "because" as in "lost by or through default."

The last I heard, the INC now interprets John 1:3 to mean that God created everything "through the mediation" of Jesus and cites 1 Cor. 8:6 KJV and 1 Tim. 2:5 as their basis.

Can any INC minister explain how Jesus could have "mediated" the creation of the world BEFORE he was born? Has the INC finally realized that Jesus PRE-EXISTED before the creation of the world?

otherwise we will be just wasting our time here, man.

The fact that I know with INC is that Jesus in his human nature didn't exist before he was born.

Four possibilities why you missed the significance of the lesson:

1) You were absent;

2) You were asleep;

3) You didn't care to listen since you were brainwashed to believe that everything the minister says is true;

4) You don't care to test whether what the minister is saying is true or not since you were brainwashed to unquestioningly believe everything the minister says.

I suggest you get a copy of the minister's message delivered during the Nov. 1 worship services. For your sake, let's both hope that my source is wrong.

in the cold.

You are a coward and you have the guts to call yourself a Christian?

What harm you assume we will we do if you confess your religious affiliation here?

I am not asking for personal identity, I am asking for you to stand up for the group you call brothers and sisters and the beliefs you uphold.

that i heard from my closest INC friends. indeed you got it wrong, man besides, i know they wouldn't preach something that would reverse their firm stand about Jesus.

as i have often said, check out first before throwing baseless charges.

delivered on Nov. 1. If the INC is indeed true and the ministers are not hiding anything, you should be able to get a copy of this outline.

The INC administration does not realize that their new interpretation of John 1:3 CONTRADICTS their doctrine that Jesus did NOT pre-exist his birth.

This proves further that their doctrine, that the INC that FYM founded and registered with the Philippine government in 1914 is the church that Chrst built, is FALSE!

If your reason for remaining an INC is to attain eternal life, it is to your best interest to test whether what the INC teaches is true or not.

Bear in mind that those who practice "heresies" (false teachings) will not inherit the kingdom of God (Gal. 5:21, 19-20) and "all liars shall have their part in th lake which burns wih fire and brimstone, which is the second death" (Rev. 21:8).

you know very well that none in this forum can escape the wrath of God if He will condemn all liars now. man, while alive, can always redeem himself and recreate his own destiny. who knows the liars we see today are the blessed few tomorrow?

i also don't believe 100% the doctrines of INC, so why push me to her? but FYM didn't build any church, they said he just continued what has been started- so what's your problem, man? although i hardly believe that, well, that's their belief and we have to respect that. otherwise, do you have a better option where to go?

And by doing so, we hope to help liars renew their lives, and help the blind open their eyes and come to the knowledge of the truth, before the end of their lives or the end of the world.

we don't know what's ahead of us, man.

Their "part is the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death" (Rev. 21:8).

hmm.

God knows all; and we don't know what's next and who's that liar or thief besides us, do you? Besides, who gave you the right to judge people?

Don't tell a lie.

desperate blows!!!

You are a coward and you have the guts to call yourself a Christian?
What harm you assume we will we do, if you share with us the lesson
of last week's worship services?

That hearing they may learn, and fear the Lord your God,
and keep, and fulfil all the words of this law

otherwise we may just call it as another balitang barbero, er are you a barber, quitor?

Can anyone of you bring me the tape of last week worship service?

While I will look in the basement for my portable radio cassette player,
my wife will prepare a big pan of pancit canton with shrimp.

Before we eat, let "Minister JVC" do the preaching
and see who'll become enlighted,