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Tomas says: "his (Christ's) non-deity can't be proven through the Bible

May 2 2017 at 1:40 AM
Wayne  (Login vgretz_8)

 
Proof:
God is not man. (Hosea 11:9)
Christ is a man. (John 8:40)
Therefore Christ is not God.

 
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John Snow
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Re: Tomas says: &quot;his (Christ's) non-deity can't be proven through the Bible

May 2 2017, 6:04 AM 

God is not man. (Hosea 11:9) - does not talk specifically about Jesus so you can not specifically relate that verse to Jesus alone. No Trinitarian has ever claimed that God is a man, although one of the persons who is God did come in the flesh to bring us salvation.

Christ is a man. (John 8:40) Have you ever heard a Trinitarian deny that Christ is a man? Of course not so do not misrepresent the beliefs of Trinitarians. Trinitarians believe that Christ is 100% man and 100% God. It's your own fault if you want to ignore the verses that prove that Jesus is God in the flesh. You might want to read John Chapter 1 in it's entirety, not just the little snippets that INC tells you.

 
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Tomas
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Wayne, Hosea 11:9 does not say that God will not be a man in the future.

May 3 2017, 5:11 PM 

It just stated the situation at the time Hosea wrote about it. At that time God was not a man. Whether he became a man later, is speculative. The Bible neither proves it nor disproves it.

 
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Wayne
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God was stating a fact that He is not man

May 12 2017, 3:40 AM 

Here's another.

God is spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:24 NASB

"...a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." Luke 24:39 NASB

Christ is not spirit— he has flesh and bones that a spirit does not have. Luke 24:39

Therefore, Christ is not God.

 
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Tomas
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At that time God was not a man. God is a spirit but he could have a human body

May 12 2017, 5:00 AM 

in addition to being a spirit.

 
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Jose Rizal Fan
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Thomas is classic troll

May 12 2017, 4:40 PM 

Thomas is just classic troll, he asserts contrary or skepticism to all people involve and never provide a positive case for Thomas position. If he never provide positive case he just like the argument clinic guy in old monty python skit.
It best to just ignore people like that.

Now real business.

As for you argument you have assumption about man and God.
You unstated assumptions are 1) God cannot take on flesh 2) Man is not also dual nature of flesh and spirit

Does INC reject man having everlasting soul/spirit? All their argument about Christ being man seem imply one nature of man only apart from spirit/soul.

I think INC believe #1. It would be easy to believe if not for entire New Testament revelation. It is odd how much INC is like Muslims and how they reject new testament.

 
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John Snow
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Re: Thomas is classic troll

May 12 2017, 5:19 PM 

I would also love to know the answer to this question from INC fanaticals....

Is your god OMNIPOTENT? Do you believe that God could become a man if He chose to?

Surely, if you believe God can not become a man then you have a false god. If you believe God can become a man if He chooses, then you have to admit the possibility that the trinitarian belief could be true.

So, which one is it?

 
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Tomas
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Good argument, God is omnipotent, so he can become a man if he wants to.

May 14 2017, 6:33 AM 


 
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Wayne
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Mal 3:6 GW: "I, the LORD, never change.

May 20 2017, 11:35 AM 


 
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Tomas
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The LORD is Yahweh, the Father. But he created his Son in the beginning, and

May 20 2017, 3:56 PM 

the Son became a man much later. And the Son could be God.

 
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Wayne
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"the Son became a man" from what?

May 20 2017, 4:24 PM 


 
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Tomas
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The Son was a spirit, but near 1 BC he became a fertilized egg in Mary,

May 20 2017, 4:31 PM 

then became an embryo, fetus, was born a baby boy, grew up to be a man.
God had fertilized Mary's egg, but not by sex, she remained a virgin until the Son of God was born.

 
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Wayne
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Is that a tranformation from spirit to man or

May 20 2017, 4:53 PM 

a spirit disguising as a man.

 
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Tomas
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He remained a spirit but became a man. See 2 Cor. 3:17 "Now the Lord is the Spirit, and

May 20 2017, 5:02 PM 

where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom". See also the next verse, which ends "from the Lord, the Spirit".

 
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Tomas
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Not true, I do provide scriptural evidence why I believe I am right and some are wrong.

May 14 2017, 6:31 AM 

You should read more of what I write.

 
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Wayne
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Re: Thomas is classic troll

May 20 2017, 11:03 AM 

Jesus said "God is spirit"--that is without flesh and bones

That means, at that very moment Jesus said those words, God still remains true to his statement which says "I am God, and not man" because He still is a spirit--without flesh and bones.

Also, it would make Jesus a liar for saying "God is spirit" if in fact God has flesh and bones.

Man dies body and soul. His spirit returns to God who gave it.

Ecc 12:7 KJV: Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Ecc 12:7 NAB: And the dust returns to the earth as it once was, and the life breath returns to God who gave it.

Ecc 12:7 GW: Then the dust of mortals goes back to the ground as it was before, and the breath of life goes back to God who gave it.

Psa 119:25 NRSV: My soul clings to the dust; revive me according to your word.

Psa 44:25 NASB: For our soul has sunk down into the dust; Our body cleaves to the earth.

 
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Tomas
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God is a spirit, but in addition could have had flesh and bones. Look at 1 Cor. 15:45,

May 20 2017, 4:07 PM 

it says "Adam was made a quickening spirit". Adam was a man, but he was made a quickening spirit.
Look also at 2 Cor. 3:17 "Now the Lord is the Spirit". So Christ is spirit.

 
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Wayne
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Another proof of Christ's non-deity

May 20 2017, 11:17 AM 

No one has ever seen God; it is the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart, who has made him known. Joh 1:18 NJB; 1John 4:12


Christ was seen.


Therefore, Christ is not God.

 
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John Snow
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Re: Another proof of Christ's non-deity

May 20 2017, 1:48 PM 

Because you have no faith.

 
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Wayne
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I have no faith in the false Trinity doctrine

May 20 2017, 2:08 PM 


 
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