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Almario, since that thread is locked, I agree that we can ask God for wisdom, but

June 16 2017 at 7:17 AM
Tomas  (Login TomasSedlacek)

 
still, that does not mean God will cause us to understand the whole Bible, at least not in this life. As Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians, now we see through glass darkly, but when the perfect comes, we will know.

 
    
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almario
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Re: Almario, since that thread is locked, I agree that we can ask God for wisdom, but

June 16 2017, 8:26 PM 

GOD's revelations solely from HIS written Sacred Scriptures upon Scriptures
were just shared and written here and never from my own understanding that
you keep pressing on me.

Elaborate from your own doctrines on what is the lifetime that GOD will let
us understand HIS Sacred written infallible Words?

And, Paul seeing through glass darkly until such perfect time comes then we
will know?

 
    
Tomas
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The Bible is clear that there will come a time when we will be instructed by God,

June 17 2017, 3:35 PM 

this will be when Mt. Zion will be the highest mountain, above all mountains, and we will be going to Mt. Zion to be instructed by God. This was revealed in Is. 2:2-3 and the same was revealed also in Micah 4:1-2. Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 13:12 that now we see through glass darkly, he wrote in verse 9 that we know in part and we prophesy in part, and in verse 10 he added that when the perfect has come, then that which is in part shall be done away, so verse 12 says that while now we see through glass darkly, then face to face, now Paul knows in part, but then Paul will know even as he is known. So when we look at these verses, we see that we will know when the perfect comes. Who is the perfect who will come? Naturally Jesus Christ. So when Jesus Christ comes back, we will be resurrected and come to Mt. Zion for instruction, God will be teaching us.

 
    
almario
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Re: The Bible is clear that there will come a time when we will be instructed by God,

June 18 2017, 4:24 AM 

Tomas's doctrines vainly bypassed GOD's preludes of soul salvation
from HIS written infallible Words about knowing, recognizing and
absolutely believing uwho HE was that manifested in flesh.

john 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins:
for if ye believe not that I am he , ye shall die in your sins .

Your discourses veered from what the One and Only Saviour GOD
revealed to Paul:

1 tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Thus, GOD's stern rebut to Tomas from what Paul wrote:

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed .

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed .

 
    
almario
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Re: The Bible is clear that there will come a time when we will be instructed by God,

June 18 2017, 3:32 PM 

From the assembly fellowship of the brethren as shared to those called
at this point in time. Eventually then possibly to be chosen and would
be converted and become as little children.

One of the preludes from GOD's written Words as HE IDENTIFIES and REVEALS
HIMSELF to HIS chosen after they were converted into like little children.

Now He Rebukes and Accusesprofessing Christians

“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and
they are they which testify of me.” (John 5:39)

Perhaps the biggest question bothering the minds of many people is the
identity of God. People all over the world speak of God. They describe
Him as the Creator, the Savior, the Almighty, the Most High, the Majestic
Being, the All in All, etc. They give Him name as Allah, Bathala, Zeus, etc.

People believing in the Holy Bible identify Him as: Yahweh, Jehovah, Yeshua,
Father, “I am that I am”, The Almighty, Lord, Rose of Sharon, Lily of the
Valley, El Shaddai, Jesus Christ, etc.

Traditional Christianity describes God as: A Spirit, infinite, eternal, and
unchangeable – in His being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness,
and truth.

The need to know God

Of course, plain and obvious :

◾Can we believe somebody that we are not familiar with?
◾Can we trust him that we do not know or clearly recognize?
◾Can love develop unless clear identification is mutual?

In the Holy Bible, this is what we read as regards the need to identify God.
His rebuke is directed to His own people. We are reminded of the (multitudes)
5,000 men that Jesus Christ fed with “bread and fishes” and He called them
His DISCIPLES.

However, when our Lord began speaking “spiritual things”:

John 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said,
This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

These Disciples left Him for they did not understand what He was saying and
so his admonition:

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are
sottish children, and they have none understanding…

Therefore, the warning to everybody at Judgment Day:

Luke 13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy
presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are;
depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall
see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom
of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

And to the Religious Leaders claiming to know Jesus Christ:

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name [Jesus Christ]? and in thy name [Jesus Christ]
have cast out devils? and in thy name [Jesus Christ] done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.

God emphasizes iniquity as if it is more serious than sin. From the tenor of God’s
rebuke, it is for “not knowing Him”.

john 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins:
for if ye believe not that I am he , ye shall die in your sins .

 
    
almario
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Re: The Bible is clear that there will come a time when we will be instructed by God,

June 18 2017, 11:59 PM 

Salvation made easy ?

This is only the fruit of human wisdom. Real believers
are greatly saddened hearing professing apostles of
Christ preaching “easy way of salvation.” But Peter
saw otherwise:

Mat 19:25 “When his disciples heard it, they were
exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With
men this is impossible; but with God all things are
possible.”

Truly salvation is attained only with the mercy of God ,
and this He grants to the “babes” in His sight.

 
    
Tomas
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Some people think the Bible reveals everything about God. But it does not.

June 19 2017, 5:52 AM 

After all, it does not reveal everything about Jesus, like how he looked like, when he was walking on earth. So how can they think it reveals everything about such an infinite being as God? Some verses make it clear we can't know much about God, like when God spoke to Job, he made it clear to Job.
So while we can know God, as our friend, our savior, the Almighty, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being who is the creator of the universe with his Son, still, we can't know much about him. But I expect we will know considerably more when the perfect comes, Jesus Christ, and we will be resurrected and taught by God himself, on Mt. Zion, it will be wonderful.

 
    
almario
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Re: Some people think the Bible reveals everything about God. But it does not.

June 19 2017, 2:30 PM 

Tomas doctrines veered GOD's Sacred infallible Words for
ones soul salvation and your non-recognition of Who HE was
that manifested in flesh is so deceptive that is tantamount
for the gullible to believe in easy salvation.


" I AM HE "


As if God is saying, "Look how people missed the great message
of My (Father) reference to the Son in the following:"


ISAIAH 46:4 "And even to your old age I am he ..."

ISAIAH 41:4 "...I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he ."

ISAIAH 43:25 "I, even I , am he that blotteth out thy transgressions
for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins."

ISAIAH 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he ;
I am the first, I also am the last."


As of God is saying, "Look how people missed the great message of My
(Son Jesus) reference to the Father in the following:


JOHN 13:19 "Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to
pass, ye may believe that I am he ."

JOHN 18:6 "As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he , they went
backward, and fell to the ground."

JOHN 8:28 "Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the
Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he ..."


"How many of you know the true meaning of 'when ye have lifted up the
Son of man?' Many people equate this to their praise, resplendent words
and songs and sacrifices for Me. Have they forgotten that their prayer
is even abomination to Me if they do not listen to My words?"


PROVERBS 28:9 "He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even
his prayer shall be abomination."


"And their sacrifices? Do I need them? Which is more than all burnt
offering and sacrifices? Do you still remember what I told the Scribe
who asked Me which is the first of all the commandments?


MARK 12:28 "And one of the scribes came...perceiving that he had
answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?"

MARK 12:29-33 "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the
Lord thy God with all thy heart... this is the first commandment. And the
second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour...is more than
all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."

MARK 12:32-33 "And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said
the truth: for there is one God...And to love him...and to love his neighbour
as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."

"Why do many of you, especially your religious leaders, not take up this
PREREQUISITE to 'loving Me'? This is to identify Me as ' ONE LORD AND ONE GOD .'
Did I not call that as the 'first of all the commandments' if only to emphasize
that you can never truly love God before you clearly recognize Me as ' One Lord
and One God '. Now you are already boasting of 'loving your neighbor' which is
the last in the sequence. Did the Scribes and Pharisees recognize the 'One Lord
and One God?' It is good this particular Scribe asked about the
FIRST COMMANDMENT OF ALL !"

john 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins:
for if ye believe not that I am he , ye shall die in your sins.

john 10:30 I and my Father are one .

 
    
Tomas
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Of course I recognize who God is, that he is he, the Almighty, and I recognize

June 22 2017, 12:45 AM 

who his Son is, that he is he, the Light of the world, the Christ, etc.
But of course we can't know everything about God, just like we can't know everything about the Son, that would be presumptuous, thinking we know something about them that the Bible does not reveal. So when the Father says "I am he", of course he is right about everything he is. And when the Son says "I am he", he is right about everything he is. And when a prophet said "I am he", under the inspiration of God, as prophets often talked under the inspiration of God, then the prophet was right, about who he is. Or she, in case of a prophetess, like Miriam, etc. And when I say "I am he", then I am not lying about who I am, so I am correct, unless I am misinformed about something about me. Certainly I don't want to sin by lying. And hopefully similarly when you tell somebody "I am he".
So if somebody asks me if I am Tomas Sedlacek, I can say I am he, as this is my name here. Or if somebody asks you if you are almario, you can say "I am he", as that is the name by which you are known here.

 
    
almario
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Re: Of course I recognize who God is, that he is he, the Almighty, and I recognize

June 22 2017, 2:25 AM 

Clear recognition of Jesus is asecret thing

Identifying Jesus can only come by “divine revelation.” This is the mystery revealed to His chosen:

Col 1:26 “Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made
manifest to his saints.”

But to the Old Testament saints, by faith, this mystery about Jesus was revealed to them. Foremost
among them is Abel who offered a “lamb” that symbolizes Jesus long before He was born and crucified
on the cross.

Heb 11:1 “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”

Heb 11:13 “These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off,
and were persuaded of them, and embraced them…”

How many have seen this “miracle” of recognizing Jesus ? This is repeated for emphasis.

Mat 16:15 “He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?”

Mat 16:16 “And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the
living God.”

Mat 16:17 “And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and
blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.”

No wonder Jesus told His Disciples not to tell anybody that He is the CHRIST. After Simon Peter
recognized Him as the CHRIST and the SON of the living God, He told them:

Mat 16:20 “Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.”

Mar 3:12 “And he straitly charged them that they should not make him known.”

Indeed God is speaking in parables foroutsiders not to see ”:

Joh 9:39 “And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might
see; and that they which see might be made blind.”

Mar 4:11 “And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God:
but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see,
and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be
converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.”

 
    
Tomas
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Jesus spoke to unbelievers in parables, but that was because it was not time yet

June 22 2017, 5:35 AM 

for conversions of many thousands of people to Christianity. Jesus spoke plainly to his selected disciples, but to crowds he spoke in parables, so they would not understand. So that most Jews would turn against him and support his crucifixion, to fulfill the prophecy. But after his resurrection he promised the Holy Spirit, and we have read about the fantastic result the next Passover day. The apostles spoke to the crowd plainly, we have Peter's plain speech, he did not speak in parables at all, he spoke plainly. And on that day thousands of Jews were converted. They repented of having been against Jesus, and accepted Jesus with love as their savior. And so on that day they were saved, Jesus baptized them with the Holy Spirit for the remission of their sins, and they got the gift of the Holy Spirit, as Peter promised them in Acts 2:28.
So likewise Peter wrote plainly in his epistles, Paul wrote plainly in his epistles, etc. No parables there. Jesus is clearly revealed to us. So identifying Jesus is not needed by revelation, but just by reading the Bible. There is no new revelation today. God inspired Paul to write to us in 1 Cor. 4:6, not to go beyond what is written. So after that any further revelation was written in the Bible, and so now with the Bible being finished, there is no revelation besides what is written in the Bible. So we will not hear the voice of God, as long as we are still alive. God is speaking to us only through the Bible. Likewise we will not hear any angel, as long as we are alive. After we die, we will be totally dead, until the future resurrection, when we will awake, rise up, and we will be alive again. Then we will be going to Mt. Zion for further study from God, he will be teaching us the new laws, and whatever else he will want to teach us. Probably also more about himself and his Son. After all, we can read about that we will be taught by God on Mt. Zion in Is. 2:2-4, Micah 4:1-3. This prophecy is so important, that God inspired two prophets to say the same thing. It will be wonderful. Now Christians argue with each other about some commandments and other things, that they might have misunderstood in the Bible, but on Mt. Zion we will be taught clearly, so Christians will be finally united on every doctrine, while now they are united mainly on the gospel doctrines, which are needed for salvation, but they are divided on many other things. As Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 13, now we see through glass darkly. But when the perfect comes, we will know much more. Of course we will not become omniscient, only God knows everything. But still when the perfect comes, and the perfect is God and his Son, they are perfect, and they are going to come, so then God will teach us a lot more. And we will be so happy to learn so much more. Now while I say that some things are not so clear in the Bible, so Christians can misunderstand some things, the identity of Jesus is clear in the Bible, because some of it is necessary for salvation. So we can know Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, the Lord, the Light of the world, who came in the flesh, died for our sins, was raised the third day, and several other things needed for salvation. Also some other things about Jesus are very clear in the Bible. Christians argue about some things, like about the ultimate nature of Jesus, but most such things are simply not revealed to us in the Bible, so those are futile arguments. What is not revealed in the Bible about him, we just can't know. But surely after God and his Son come and we are resurrected, I expect we will find out more about Jesus, including about some things that Christians have disagreed with each other about, like is he God, is he one of the persons of God, or is he the archangel, or neither, after all, many Christians want to know, many believe they know, so I expect we will be finally informed about that. So then no more speculation about it, we will be united. Personally I am not impatient to find out, I realize in his wisdom God has not revealed it to us, so I am satisfied with that. I am patient. I do not expect to die very soon, I do not have a mortal disease. So I will spend likely some more years not knowing this secret, and that is OK with me. Then I will die, and the next thing I will know is I will be resurrected, finally awake again. And then soon I will be traveling to Mt. Zion to find out more. I will surely not be one of those who will refuse to go to Jerusalem even for the feast of Tabernacles. After all, I am saved now, and I will likely die saved. And if I die unsaved, maybe due to some dementia I will lose faith, then I will surely become saved again after I am resurrected. It will be wonderful.

 
    
almario
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Re: Jesus spoke to unbelievers in parables, but that was because it was not time yet

June 23 2017, 8:06 PM 

Re posted in here to rebut Tomas doctrine of not going
beyond what were written while his wall of texts proved
absolutely being the one with such head knowledge he just
only learned from such human understanding adulterated
with philosophies and vain deceit.

Flood of discourses and wall of denial texts about the non-recognition
of the Holy Spirit and the One and Only GOD that manifested in flesh
are too deceiving that Tomas doctrines vehemently repulses.

Heed if you may or else pass the judgment onto yourself and to those
that will believe on such declaration of "my doctrines" instead of
GOD's infallible Words that HE let them be written solely within HIS
revelations of Spiritual Truth introducing and identifying HIMSELF
precept upon precept, ...isaiah 28:10.

"And the Word was God "

One basic truth, that many people probably missed, is the relationship between God and His words.
Could we imagine God without His words? God is a Spirit, invisible, and intangible. There is, therefore,
no way of identifying Him and knowing His will without His words! His existence is "void" without
His words. Thus, the need for the sweeping statement, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was
with God and the Word was God (John 1:1)." Could there be a God without His words, and the words without
God? Can one be separated from the other? The recognition of the former follows the understanding
of the latter!

To show the Way (John 14:6), and to fulfill His Testament by death (Hebrew 9:16), the Spirit God manifested
Himself in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16, KJV only) now known as the Lord Jesus Christ.

That is how John the apostle exclaimed: "And I saw Him in a vesture dipped in blood and His name is called
the Word of God (Revelation 19:13)." Who is JESUS? Is He not the Word? The one and only God is the Father
(1 Corinthians 8:6a), while the one and only Lord is Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 8:6b). Jesus told the
inquisitive Scribe in Mark 12:29, " The Lord our God is one Lord ." God told Moses the same thing in Deuteronomy 6:4
" Hear , O Israel : The LORD our God is one LORD :"

It is the absence of the HUMAN FACTOR , Christ put it as "flesh and blood," that made Peter recognized
our Lord (Matthew 16:15-17). It is the absence of the HUMAN FACTOR that makes a person to recognize
God, that He is no longer a great mystery! It is the absence of the HUMAN FACTOR that makes one to
understand the Word of God. It is the absence of the HUMAN FACTOR that made the 1st century
Christianity perfect and also continues at this point in time that HE consecrated to those converted
that become as little children .

 
    
Tomas
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You are going beyond what is written when you call John of Revelation apostle John.

June 24 2017, 1:26 PM 

Revelation was written by a John, but this John nowhere calls himself an apostle, so we don't know if he was the apostle John (as you called him John the apostle), or another John. And of course this John called Jesus the Word of God. So Jesus is the Word of God. And being the Word of God, that hints that we should not be dogmatic in calling him God, as there seems to be a distinction between God and his Word. So calling him God is going beyond what is written. In John 1:1, John refers to the Word as theos, which is better translated as a god. And that would make logical sense, since the Word was with God, so the Word was a god.

 
    
almario
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Re: You are going beyond what is written when you call John of Revelation apostle John.

June 24 2017, 7:31 PM 

Tomas after being too covetous of GOD's doctrines forcefully show-off
his belief in rejecting what were written on the Bible.

The One and Only GOD that manifested in the flesh that you stubbornly
refuse to believe called them apostles as HE let be revealed from HIS
written Sacred Words.

luke 6:13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples : and
of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles ;

GOD's stern reminder be upon you at this point in time as HE exemplifies
paul's humility, which perhaps you can not even consider because of such
ownership of doctrines:

acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou , Lord ? And the Lord said, I am Jesus
whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks .




 
    
Tomas
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John the apostle wrote the gospel of John and 3 epistles of John. But the book of

June 25 2017, 10:19 AM 

Revelation seems written in a different style, which is why some say it was written by a different John, not the apostle John.
So be humble as Paul was humble, after Jesus told him I am Jesus whom thou persecutest, it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
So likewise you should not persecute or condemn your fellow Christians, such as Trinitarian, Binitarian, Unitarian, Arian, or Oneness (Jesus Name) Christians.

 
    
almario
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Re: John the apostle wrote the gospel of John and 3 epistles of John. But the book of

June 25 2017, 4:49 PM 

Seems , your word is a wild guess about john's identity
and being in quandary differentiating him from his gospel
of revelation.

Tomas keep on blaming and accusing me of persecuting
them while i am just sharing the infallible Words of GOD
as HE revealed HIMSELF solely from HIS written Sacred
Scriptures upon Sacred Scriptures.

Plain and obvious that Tomas ' s coveted doctrines of GOD
will not lead in conversion to become as a little child
at this point in time. Thus, evidently he just keep on
interspersing HIS Words to forcefully conform and adapt
them on such ownership of doctrines instead of GOD's.

The old saul persecuted and or deceived the true GOD
believers those times with his literal and only head
knowledge he learned from Gamaliel.

The following must ring a bell or else .....:

john 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not,
I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but
to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me , and receiveth
not my words , hath one that judgeth him : the word that I
have spoken , the same shall judge him in the last day .

and ....

heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and
sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the
dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints
and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and
intents of the heart.

 
    
Tomas
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Yes, Jesus was right in John 12:48, those who reject him and receive not his words,

June 26 2017, 4:05 AM 

have one who judge them, God shall judge them by the word Jesus has spoken, so if they never convert, they will be judged harshly on the last day.
So I hold tight to Jesus's words, they are so wonderful for us believers, though they can be harsh on unbelievers, but if they are so evil, that they will still reject Jesus even during the millennium, then they will be judged and thrown in the lake of fire, where they will be burned up, perish forever.
So it is wonderful to be one of the Christians. And Jesus told us Christians to love each other. He did not want us to condemn each other based on disagreements on non-essential doctrines. And we are united on the essential doctrines. One Lord, one faith, one baptism, as the Bible says. So we are united by one faith on the essential doctrines, and united by one baptism of the Holy Spirit, that we received when we became saved. That is so wonderful.

 
    
almario
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Re: Yes, Jesus was right in John 12:48, those who reject him and receive not his words,

July 6 2017, 6:39 PM 

Consolidated and shared by aida to our brethren and to those still called at this point in time.
Eventually then possibly to be chosen and would be converted and become as little children.

[QUOTE][QUOTE=aida;31738017.......

The time of the apostles

Was the trend reversed during the time of the apostles? We find in the book of Acts that
Christ's disciples aggressively preached the gospel, and instances of mass "conversions"
were recorded:

ACTS 2:40-41 "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, save yourselves
from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and
the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."

ACTS 4:4 "Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was
about five thousand."

Let us not misconstrue the people who are "called" and those that are "chosen." Did we not
see the same thing in the ministry of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ? Multitudes heard
"the voice shouting in the wilderness" and were baptized by John. Many of these followed
our Lord. Great multitudes followed our Lord in the mountains, along the seashore, and
wherever He went. He fed five thousand men in one instance, and another four thousand men
excluding women and childrren in another. He healed many people from their diseases. Were
these great multitudes really "chosen," or were they only "called?" Succeeding events led
to the answer. Our Lord was arrested, and later mocked and tortured. He was presented to
the high priests, and lastly to Pontious Pilate. When Pilate presented Jesus Christ and
Barrabas to the Jews for their choice, where were these great multitudes? Did the people
of Israel hear a dissenting voice from a deafening shout "CRUCIFY HIM! CRUCIFY HIM!?

Where were these great multitudes when the promised Holy Spirit came at Pentecost? Did not
the apostles only counted a scanty one hundred twenty (120) deserving souls at the time of
final accounting? Could people still insist on thwarting the great message of, "many are called,
but few are chosen," and keep on invoking God's mercy and love? Man should be able to
distinguish truth from the dictate of his intellect and the influence of his feeling.

The acts of the apostles confirmed the trend set by our Lord. They were always aware of the
wiles of the tempter, that they were not lacking in their warning to the Christians:

1. Warning for the preaching of another gospel different from the original teaching of the
apostles:

GALATIANS 1:8-9 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you
than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say
I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let
him be accursed."

Paul felt that some people were creeping and tried to inject strange doctrines different
from the original gospel . Religious sects will take this warning of Paul as referring to
the doctrines of the opposing denominations which are different from their respective
doctrines . Let this serve as a stern reminder .

2. Paul again warned of an introduction of "another Jesus" different from the Jesus
recognized by divine revelation:

2 CORINTHIANS 11:4 "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive another spirit which ye have not received, or another
gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."


Would Paul give this warning if he did not sense that a different Jesus or different
recognitions about Jesus, were being introduced to the product of mass conversions
of Christians? Let us remember that the Bible is the inspired word of God. This
warning of Paul was confirmed historically, when Constantine the Great called the
Nicaean Council of 325 A.D. In that "religious summit," a clash of beliefs ensued
among the followers of Arius, and the followers of Athanasius. The followers of
Arius defended his teaching denying the divinity of Jesus Christ, while the
followers of Athanasius took the stand of Jesus Christ being both God and man.

3. Paul again warned of strange doctrines that could waylay those who found the truth
by writing:

EPHESIANS 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried
with every wind of doctrine, by the sleights of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby
they lie in wait to deceive."

How deceitful indeed is Satan when people are misled into thinking that this refers to
their respective religious sects. Paul directed this admonition to the Christians who
followed the original and perfect Christianity. May the reader see the distinction
between the original and perfect Christianity, from the kind that he has in mind.

With all these warnings which we did not even hear from Jesus Christ during His time,
could the great message of, "many are called, but few are chosen," be possibly reversed
in the ministry of the apostles? Do we expect the reversal of the trend set by our Lord
in spite of the jitters expressed by the apostles, which all pointed to the continuance
of the trend being confirmed by present day events on so-called Christianity today
........./QUOTE]

 
    
Tomas
(Login TomasSedlacek)

Athanasius was too divisive at the council of Nicea. He wanted the Catholic church

July 7 2017, 6:51 AM 

to expel those who agreed with Arius. He must have thought that Arius and his followers preached another Jesus. So a big majority at the council of Nicea voted to condemn and expel Arius and his followers from the Catholic church, and to agree on the Nicene Creed, which says among other things that the Son of God is the very God of the very God, and that he is of the substance of the Father. And the council decided that the Catholic church anathematizes those who believe that there was a time when the Son was not.
Well, the council was wrong, the Son was created, so there was a time when he was not yet. And the Bible does not teach whether the Son is God, much less God of God, and whether he is of the substance of the Father. So theories like Trinitarianism and Arianism are plausible theories, but not proven by the Bible. People who hold such theories do not believe in another Jesus, they believe in the same Jesus of Nazareth as you and me believe, who is Lord, the Son of God, and Christ. Those who believe in another Jesus are people who insist that Jesus has come back, so they point at another person as being Jesus, as the Bible has warned that such people would come, who believe in another Jesus. Quite a number of false gospels are like that. The largest is probably the Kimbanguist church, with a number of millions of followers in Africa and a few members outside of Africa. They believe that the son of the prophet Kimbangu was Jesus Christ, the second person of the Trinity, who was on earth. He succeeded Joseph Kimbangu in leading the Kimbanguist church when Kimbangu died. Kimbangu apparently did not preach a false gospel, but when his son succeeded him, he soon announced himself to be Jesus Christ, and led the Kimbanguist church into apostasy. So sad, millions lost their salvation, by coming to believe in another Jesus. Joseph Kimbangu was a false prophet, therefore not saved, but the Bible does not claim that those who follow a false prophet are themselves unsaved. So Kimbangu brought many to salvation, and his son led them to apostasy.

 
    
almario
(Login almario38)

Re: Athanasius was too divisive at the council of Nicea. He wanted the Catholic church

July 7 2017, 8:31 PM 

Posted by a brethren during in one of our fellowships

The Truth Spiritually discerned hurts but not for deep and sincere
searchers of GOD's Truth that encompasses HIS old and new testaments.

Bible versions proliferating long enough can not hide the real message
but instead the translators unconsciously or probably with self-justified
intentions incorporated smokescreens to validate the words according
on what they believe or where indoctrinated to.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said,
We ought to obey God rather than men.

1 Thess 4:3 For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness,
nor in guile:

4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel,
even so we speak; not as pleasing men , but God, which trieth
our hearts.

5 For neither at any time used we flattering words , as ye know, nor a
cloke of covetousness ; God is witness :

1 Tim 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust,
avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science
falsely so called:

1 Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies,
which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is
in faith: so do.

1 Cor 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men;
and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Cor 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.
For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain
deceit , after the tradition of men , after the rudiments of the world ,
and not after Christ .

 
    
 
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