well what do you know saw in the head baby try say it dont exist now? thanks to jh hes the boss on this scenario and thanks jt for posting lets have your thoughts jh see ya all jimbobs in old uk
Jason (no login) 213.40.67.66
Saw scene (again)
October 3 2005, 1:30 PM
Will this holy grail ever go away?!
Well James, as you know I've been searching for it for almost twenty years now and still haven't seen it.
A few fans including yourself, Dave R, Carl J and Steve K have told me it was definitely NOT included in the otherwise complete Mandarin print that was screened at the KFM event in December 1979. However, others have said it WAS shown, including Bruce Lee historian/writer Will Johnston. When the Boss cuts article was first published in Impact a few years back, I went along with Dave, Carl and Steve's version of events, but Impact checked with Will and the text was altered accordingly. How can so much confusion surround such a famous scene? Very strange...
If anybody else who saw the film at the Gaumont Theatre in 1979 is reading this, please add your comments here. Was the 'saw' scene shown or not?
Anyway, here is a link to the article where those photos came from:
yes friend all who have recollection of seeing saw sequence should speak now or forever hold there saw? i always maintain i just cannot remember if it was seen or even by me? and i was there, but i am getting old maybe a kfm associate could put this to rest for us buddy and they will be out there somewhere.......... hello kfm,prof will,bey, lets get an answer. anyone who was there can post there thoughts anyway love to hear from u jimbobs
(no login) 62.238.37.18
I did see it once years ago..
October 4 2005, 8:10 AM
I rented a VHS video years ago with the famous saw scene in it.
It had a strange jumpy effect.
The scene stopped for a second just before the saw hit the head.Then you see the saw in the head and the guy fell down.It was obvious it was a tricked scene with stil images used.
The later versions i saw had removed the saw scene.
I trued to find the VHS movie with the scene on it,but it was lost,a friend who had a copy on Video 2000 Philips system looked for me on the attick and i found the machine and all the taped..sadly the taped where erased with footbal matches!
well,nobody believes me anyway,
just my two cents..
FJ
Netherlands.
Tang Lunga? (no login) 88.109.36.14
Eyes deceive
October 6 2005, 4:33 PM
and I bet any money what you saw ( sorry! ) was not the saw in the head scene, but confusion from the bit where the guy gets hit by a torch ( one of your descriptions is exactly this shot ), and subsequent pictures of the saw in the head scene.
Memory playing tricks on you.
I don't believe it for a second, but I believe it that you believe it totally, wrong as it is.
i have recollections of big boss sequences from my lifetime of viewing but the torch at attackers head i definately remember seeing this scene intact and would go as far as to say the scene was so short with the saw in the head no wonder i cant remember? but its hard to think it would ever have been on vhs, i would say rather on 35 mm or theatrical trailer somewhere, but i rather believe freds over there at warners just waiting to do the film justice for the fans? we can wait and find out, its what usually transpires for bruce lee new footage isnt it? its no big deal theres only millions of us out here just waiting see ya friendshttp://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1128646211.JPG
Hi all,
The scene with the saw was filmed, we know that, it should be out there, were i dont know, but, that link for the aparrent Boss saw scene looks to me like the bloke is just incerting the pic in to the video.
But, im sure it does exist! ive talked to loads of people who saw it at the 1979 convention!.
Even top people in the bruce lee world will tell you it was shown in the rare print at this convention, burning cart scene and all!!
so, stick that in head and saw it!! LOL
Fabian (no login) 62.255.32.14
Not sure...
October 7 2005, 5:29 PM
I think it's a bit of a con, the only tiny thing that makes me think there might be more to it with the possibility of it being genuine is the fact that all his details are down there, his phone number and his full address.
If he is a con artist he would be pretty easy to track down.
Also he doesn't mention any of the other missing footage only the 'saw in the head' scene which seems a bit odd.
It sounds a bit odd that he would only have the 'saw in the head' scene and none of the other missing footage from the Mandarin print of the movie.
However he does provide all of his details including a contact number and full address, so if he is a con-artist he would be pretty easy to track down.
I'm really not too sure about him. I'm sure Steve Kerridge said something about him being a con-artist so I wouldn't mind knowing how he found him out.
i have a sneaky feeling this may be a still added to uk version so be careful but its one time i wanna be proven wrong hey jh shall we go halves to see? email
darren (no login) 213.122.177.24
Re: big boss could be wrong
October 8 2005, 11:08 AM
this guy has been discussed on many forums, he is putting a still in the movie to look like it has the scene in it when it is in fact only a still added and shaking around to make it look like its moving.
i wouldnt waste your money on it guys.
Jason H (no login) 213.40.3.66
Well...
October 8 2005, 2:38 PM
I spoke to the guy on the phone earlier today and he was adamant that the scene is actual live footage and NOT a still frame. He said it was 8-10 seconds long and shows Bruce pushing and pulling the saw in the head as though he were sawing wood. Also, it doesn't show the 'victim' falling to the ground; it simply cuts to the next scene where Bruce kicks the pole in half.
Now, I've never seen the sequence, but I very much doubt it would have played out like that.
On the other hand, it seems odd that he has included his full address on that web page, which makes me think he doesn't have the genuine missing footage, but has something else which he believes to be genuine.
John Locke (no login) 88.111.95.72
'Sawing wood' LOL!
October 8 2005, 8:13 PM
If you look at the stills, this just ain't gonna happen.
Save the money and buy the new Warriors DVD.
Desperado (no login) 172.213.106.66
At the end of the day...
October 8 2005, 10:03 PM
Listen guys don't worry about it, one day technology will be so good it'll actually be possible to replicate these missing scenes using computer graphics...it will look like real actors(and Bruce himself), not computer animation! Heck you could even redo him banging the ho which also seems to be missing!
Robert (no login) 211.26.115.123
Never will happen
October 9 2005, 3:10 AM
As far as i know, George Tan has the footage
and was going to release The Big Boss
fully uncut with all missing scenes, but was stopped
by Media Asia as they have the rights to Bruce's films.
maybe one day we may see it....i for one dont believe this
guy because we all know that the saw scene was not the only
thing cut from the movie
John Locke (no login) 88.111.95.72
George Tan does not have the full Big Boss
October 9 2005, 8:17 PM
he has a cut version with different dubbing.
That's all.
Steve Kerridge has the full version.
I was told he's now trying to get a video transfer of the print done.
Tom Britt (no login) 4.153.86.63
Whoever has it
October 9 2005, 8:48 PM
do something with it. I would like to see the missing scenes. I don't know about everybody else, but I think Big Boss is Bruce's worst movie.
Robert (no login) 211.26.115.81
your wrong
October 10 2005, 12:41 AM
It was going to be released last year,
it was even mentioned on Amazon
as The Big Boss fully uncut with the run down
of the missing footage reinstated, why do you think
only one guy in the whole world has it????
he was also going to release Fist of Fury as well
but not sure why as i dont think that had missing scenes
George Tan's Big Boss is NOT uncut, it does have some of the missing scenes but does NOT have the 'saw in the head' scene, where the scene should play there is a series of stills inserted into the movie. It also features the super rare original English dub. A few copies of the DVD are in the hands of collectors, unfortunately I don't have it myself. Also it wasn't Media Asia who put a stop to George Tan putting the DVD out, it was Fortune Star who now hold the rights for the Bruce Lee movies except for Enter The Dragon.
That's interesting to hear that Steve Kerridge is transferring his uncut Mandarin print of the Big Boss on to video. Could you tell me how you found this out and also what he plans to do with it once it is transferred??
Robert (no login) 211.26.115.10
Re: George Tan does not have the Uncut Big Boss
October 10 2005, 6:09 PM
Me get a grip?????
well, maybe i'm wrong, but atleast i man enough to admit it
as for you, how old are you anyway??
Anonymous (no login) 172.213.106.66
Re: George Tan does not have the Uncut Big Boss
October 10 2005, 10:07 PM
I've seen all of those pics before apart from the one of Bruce, Maria Yi and the uncle which is now also on Jason Harts page about the missing scenes. It seems to be a new one in circulation. My question is where has it come from? Has it been lifted from this 'rare' print of the film often mentioned or is it just another rare photo. Steve Kerridge was refenced as donating that pic. Where did he get it from? - Anyone know him? Maybe get him on this site to talk about what he has/hasn't got, and does/doesn't know?
TanhLungNL (no login) 62.238.91.225
Nope I know what I saw
October 25 2005, 1:32 PM
i heve no reason to lie or to make this up, and i definatly know what I saw then.
peace.
Anonymous (no login) 172.201.248.138
No way Tango!
November 5 2005, 9:40 PM
I'm afraid you wouldn't have seen anything of the sort Mr Lung. That footage was never released on VHS/Videotape. However I don't know what format the footage does exist in at this time. Ask either Mr Weintraub(a producer) or Mr Kerridge(a collector). Apparently they have both attained this footage according to a Mr Tadman(a historian).
Happy searching!
(no login) 62.238.91.225
yes way tango!
November 7 2005, 5:12 PM
I`m shure i`m not stupid,and I HAVE seen it on a bootleg VHS videotape years ago.The sequence was made with still frames planted between moving images.
It looked real crappy,maybe thats why they later cut it out of the movie.
And NO I cant prove it,cuase the tape was erased,but hey who cares what I say.