Thanks much. I was going to ask what Bertholy specifically meant by the 3 sec BS comment. Does it take 3 sec to get to the top? Also, anxiously awaiting the waggle comments. I still suspect that how you set up/prepare has a lot to do with what happens after. It's sunny today - must go look at the shadow. I remember seeing a bounce at the top from the shadow a long time ago swinging in my den.