My observations

Allen, I think there is a lot of confusion on this issue, especially, as it relates to IMA and Bertholy, OR, Moe and Bertholy. These are discussions with Peter and others, like yourself, but do not, necessarily, represent the viewpoints of the swing developers.

It's like with Peter's 2 and 2.5 concept, the "racing around" concept. This is, actually, a wonderful way to hit the ball and , truly, delicious in feeling. However, Scott H. doesn't agree with this concept.

It's important to understand that Scott H., Original NG, and Big Grip all promote the concept of a forced standing facing the ball, the right hand grip touching on the lifeline, and utilizing an underhanded throwing motion, right shoulder back. The easiest way to understand this is to think of playing baseball and the pitcher faces the catcher, but underhand throws (across his body) the ball to the first baseman. I have used this method, used the original NG clubs, and shot par, regularly, and even shot below par about twice a year. Left arm always higher than right through impact. When Scott, NG and Big Grip put the club behind the ball, it is not on the flight path, but inside.

Moe's swing is different. First, he holds the club in the fingers of the left hand, allowing the whole hand to sit on top of the club, comfortably. The toe of the club will not be closing as fast as with 2 and 2.5. The easiest way to understand this is to address the ball with the clubhead behind the ball, on or above the flightpath, and to understand that it returns to almost the exact looking position on the way down. So just grip up like Moe, put the clubhead six to nine inches behind the ball, and simply move your arm to the ball and that is the hitting position that moves through the ball...thumbs up.

Better yet, most people don't understand that on the backswing, the butt of his club, if it had a laser on it, is CONTINUALLY, pointing at his left hip. This is why Graves instituted the plastic pipe drill, and, if you go through this drill, i.e., swinging back, while keeping the plastic pipe on the left hip, it will give new meaning to what you think about Moe, how he drops into the slot and returns to the address position.