The swing I am using now is sort of a hybrid of One Plane Swing (Hardy's version), Croker and Purepoint Golf.

Conventional CG grip, slightly wider stance, start backswing by turning trail shoulder (not lead) back till front arm is paralell to ground, downswing is a combination of turning shoulders back towards target will driving the trail hand at the ball, holding the trail hand wrist cock while doing so.

I have tried most of these components before and didn't seem to have much luck, but the backswing via the trail shoulder is new to me and seemed to get me on a much more consistant swing plane then before.

Results were I hit all but two fairways yesterday, hit 11 greens in regulation and ended up shooting an 78, this is the best I have shot in two years.

Is your grip strong,weak,mixed?
Good to see you've hit on something.

I use a conventional overlapping Vardon grip, with the lead hand in a semi-strong position, and the trail in a neutral position.

I try to maintain the Joe Norwood "seal of the wrists" (triggered index fingers, short thumb, slight wrist cock) throughout the swing.

It only took me five readings of Norwoods book to grasp the idea of sealed wrists.

It's Evershed's "keep the wrist cocked throughout the swing" mantra, but right from the setup.

The SA fully uncocked wrists at setup is the antithesis of of this.

Is that what puregolf says also to set wrists early and keep them there?

I have been thinking about ordering it ?

There is no other wrist cocking done conciously.

You then do the backswing using the trail shoulder turn till the lead arm is paralell to the groung, that is it.

The downswing is then started by a weight shift to the lead side, they are kind of nebulous on how to do this, and I found the pusher downswing move much easier to perform from the top, without much more of a swing thought then driving my right side and the clubhead at the ball, in the old "skipping the stones" type motion.

Chazman,

Congrats on the good round!
I hope that you don't mind a few questions...
So, are keeping the lead arm on plane with the trail shoulder?
Are you perhaps bending a bit more from the hips with the shorter clubs to keep the plan a bit steeper?
Are you setting up with hands high more like single axis?

I am asking as I intend to use this swing (as I understand it) next time I play or hit balls.

Thanks, Herbert

Got this from the Pure Point swing, they advocate starting the back swing by rotating the "trail" shoulder back, not the front, the idea behind this is it will keep you on plane easier, and also reduce a lot of unesessary weight shift, which it does. I don't feel any more bent over then normal, but this take away apparently is keeping me on a better plane then the others I have tried.

I am using a conventional, low hands grip, trying to keep the partial wrist cock throughout the swing, which is also a Pure Point suggestion.

My downswing though is One Plane Swing (Hardy's version) which is of the Norword, Croker pusher type motion.

Your posts reminded me of Grant, do you remember him? He used a backswing where the hands got to shoulder high, probably similar length to yours.

One part that I liked when reading about the single plane swing was that the downswing is body controlled, I think kind of a bit opposite to what you are doing. Figures I guess. I like the idea of body controlled as it takes the manipulation out and just lets hopefully the same thing happen every time. I am hoping the the single plane part keeps it simple and repeatable, no dropping of the arms and all of that.

Regards, Herbert

How do the arms get to the ball which is on the ground which even in single plane the arm plane and shoulder plane are not in line with the ball? Personally and looking at video and reading some forums where Jim Hardy was question about that he did indicate that he presents his model in fashion to simplify it because it sort of feels that is what your doing.In reality if it is what you think you are doing why not?

Dave

Dave,

I think that if I set up in SA alignment and bend from the hips enough the arm plane should be pretty close to the shoulder plane. Probably depends on how the shoulders rotate on the backswing. I am not sure if if is possible to be on one plane though... Possibly if it feels like it then it is good enough. This all theory for me anyway as it will probably hurt my back to much to use it when playing anyway. I probably could have done it when I was younger...

Of course (thinking out loud) maybe the trail shoulder and the arms form a plane that is 'one plane'?

Regards, Herbert

Chazman

I went to the range today, and tried the trail shoulder turn, rather than the lead shoulder.

It worked rally well. I hit some of the longest shots that I have hit in years. I thought I was making a complete shoulder turn before, but I get a much bigger turn this way.

I have been reading Jackie Burke's book lately, (it's only a Game)
He gives the same advice in his book, "turning the trail shoulder instead of the lead one will give yo much more power and crisp shots"

I have worked quite a bit also on the Hardy one plane.

I have noticed on another golf forum a lot of guys talking about purepoint golf. I it considered a single Axis type?

They are the ones that suggest the rear shoulder turn.

Chaz-

Do you think the puregolf is worth ordering? It sounds like you are using at least some or there stuff.

I have been reading about it and thought about ordering the DVD's

Although they sort of leave you in the dark with how to start the downswing.

The trail shoulder take-away is a real gem though.