I'm new here, but I have read many threads here with great interest, especially the Bertholy threads,so much so that I mailed my payment in for the book last week. When the book arrives and I begin to read and do the drills, know I will have questions and I know the Bertholy doers,who are way ahead of me are a fantastic resource and I hope I can use you to help my swing develop. Any suggestions, or things to look out for before the book arrives.
First welcome, you have found IMO the best golf swing forum on the web. As you may have already noticed, there is not a lot of fluff here.
IMO the best advice is to understand that if you really desire to have a fine swing, and are willing to expend even a moderate effort, you can have one. Just yesterday in a email to Doug Ferreri I commented to him how now that I'm seeing "results" it doesn't seem like so very long ago that I started. It's like the old saying - "The pain of change is forgotten, after the benefits of change have been realized." If it takes you 2- 5 years to build a great golf swing that will serve you well the rest of your golfing lives, will it be worth it?
Next you should definitely give Keygolf and their book "The Double Connexion" your attention. It describes as no other book does the inter-relationship that exists between who we are as golfers and how to effectively build habits and engage them in the most efficient manner. I dare say if I had known about clearkey when I started Bertholy training, I would have seen much faster progress.
There is only one way you can miss - if you quit before the work is done!
This forum has been a great source of information for me over the years. We do tend to bicker, but not as badly as most forums. Peter, our moderator, is pretty good about locking the threads that turn into pure flame wars.
As for Bertholy, I am convinced that his methods are the only instructional material that can help an adult learn the pro-moves. I know that many on this forum disagree, and that's fine, but I have tried about everything out there over the years, and Bertholy remains the most productive one I've tried.
I have a couple of suggestions:
Use Clearkey in conjunction with your Bertholy drill training. Bertholy makes many references to playing on automatic and habit formation. I believe that Clearkey is the most productive system to allow for the formation of new habits.
Bertholy is not a quick fix. If that's what you are expecting, then move on. If you do proceed, don't get discouraged! Many of the drills are not particularly enjoyable ... in fact they can be downright hard work. However, they will produce results. If you do the drills for a month or two and find little improvement, please soldier on. The improvement will eventually come. It takes willpower and fortitude to ingrain the new habits.
Bertholy talks about a swing pipe. I made one from a 28" long piece of 1/2" copper plumbing pipe. I glued a 1/8" or 3/16" steel rod, about 18-20" long into one end of the swing pipe to weight it (using construction adhesive), and then I slipped a grip on the other end. This can be done quickly and cheaply.
If you are confused by any of the drills, put it on the forum. We'll be happy to try and help.
Thank you for the welcome and the suggestions Allen. I will keep you all posted on what is going on with my progress and or regression. do you have a picture of you using the swing pipe and just the swing pipe?
Below are pictures of my homemade swing pipe and my weighted club. I constructed the pipe of 5/8 black pipe and filled it ½ full with BBs, its heavy! For the club, I bought a weighted "swing sock", which slips over the end of a club head and attaches with Velcro straps. After I almost put out a window, I wrapped it a bunch of times with HP tapeR...Red Green would be proud!
This is a picture of me using the pipe setting "keystone", a critical Bertholy position:
And here is a link to some Utube Videos of me doing some of the exercises:
In this one I learned that you must watch the straightening of the trail leg...must be my military background...putting the legs togetehr makes me straighten the trail leg...it should remain flexed. Also make sure there is not excessive slide as pointed out by Tom in another thread.
So you are way ahead of the game compared to where we all started years ago! Best of luck to you...though really luck has nothing to do with it !
The pipe and the club look to be approximately 3 feet long, The swing pipe is filled with bb's, which end are the bb's in and how did you keep the bb's from rolling around in the pipe? or is it ok to for the bb's to go back and forth in the pipe. Great vid's which drill or exercise do you recommend I start with and how long or how many repetitions do you recommned I should do?
Doesn't matter now that you built yours, sorry for the late response. After filling my pipe I just stuffed it solid with rags and capped it.
Drills - Start with program one. I would focus exclusively on that for at least the first week and continue with it even after you have moved on to the other drills. Remember, the goal for program one is to not only learn the correct moves and positions, but to build strength and flexibility. Bertholy was insistent that most of us are not "golf strong" and he felt the body needed to be conditioned so that it "can accept the fine swing". How flexible are you? If you cannot attain a least a 90 degree shoulder turn, than that is good first goal - do program until you can turn the shoulders 90 degrees.
As far as progression of the drills, Bertholy was pretty adamant about not proceeding too fast, making sure the previous is mastered before moving on to the next. From what I have (and am learning) learned about habits and how they are acquired, Bertholy's PPIC method - progressive, precise, intensified, conditioning; is just pure genius. Each one builds on the previous. As to the number of reps, any amount will do, but the more the better,and the quicker the acquisition. How much time do you have? Do as many as you can while maintaining your mental focus and correctness when doing the drills. If your attention starts to lag, stop. Go practice your putting or chipping then come back. Bertholy said in the Rifle Barrel section to never spend more than a 1/2 hour at a time hitting balls - fatigue and focus wanes. I agree....
You are on your way, and as they say "All that is left now is the kicking and the screaming!"
Thank you for the feedback, much appreciated. On progam 1 I read to hold the positions for 10 second. I start with 10 seconds and work my way to 20 seconds then to 40 seconds and end with holding the positions for a full minute.
Here is a picture of the swing pipe I made over the weekend. It is made from solid steel stock, I picked it up at Lowe's. It was originally 3 feet in lenght but I felt it was too heavy, so I cut it down to the lenght you see in the picture. What do you think?
here lately. That swing pipe looks good. And the solid steel stock is nice.Love the grip.
A couple things you may want to consider. First the end should be heavier than the rest of the pipe - just like a club is. Not real critical, but if the "balance" of the club is heavier toward the end you will be able to feel the release more. Like when you do program two. I just think it should be heavier on the end like a real club and this is why I only filled my pipe 1/2 full of BB's.
Secondly, I like to have some visual indication the "club head" orientation so that I am practicing proper alignment, setup, and developing an awareness for the club head while doing the drills. I did this by scribing a line down the middle of the second grip on my pipe.
You could easily accomplish both of these by attaching a second piece of stock to the end 1/3 of your pipe with a clamp. The two rods when held a certain way will appear "flat" and give the visual reference for a "clubface".
Just a info post.The swing Pipe I received from Mr Mapp is just a solid 5/16 x 24 in pipe with a Golf Grip on both sides. Easy to use and transport. I've made some with a Training grip on one side and a regular grip on the other.
Using a weighted club in practice seems to be helping me define the proper swing plane. I work with this weighted club everyday. Target currently has the Momentus swing trainer for $29.99, which includes the instructional DVD. The same trainer package is $59.99 on the Momentus website.
This Momentus model does have the molded training grip. I'm kinda glad, as I have some problems with my grip and need a grip that reminds me where my hands should be. This club is 31 inches long, weighs 40 ounces, and has a bright yellow shaft. It's perfect for swinging in tight places -- low ceilings, etc.
Hello, What prevents me from becoming any good at this sport I love is a lack of time for lessons, practice, etc. If I can get out once a month it's a lot. I know that it's a blessing to be busy during this slow economic time but it's definitely detrimental to my game. Is there a simple way to become a consistent golfer without spending much time at it? Wicker1000 posted a link to a site that professes to let me keep my own swing, just adding a few simple things. Any opinions? Thanks.
I know this isn't what you're looking for, but this, like all golf forums are filled with the silver bullet seekers. I'm afraid it doesn't exist. I'm not sure why golfers fall more prey to this practice than most activities, but it seems like it does.
What if I were to say: "I can play a few chords on my guitar, maybe run a few scales, but I really want to be able to play like Eric Clapton. Can you give me a few drills ... maybe a new way to hold the guitar ... something that I can spend a few minutes a week on and be playing like Clapton by the end of the summer?" See how silly that sounds? Golf is no different.
The only way I know to succeed in anything is to find the right things to learn, the right way to learn them and then spend an incredible amount of time learning them and practicing what you've learned. Same with golf. I would caution you very seriously about expecting much out of any golf system that promises great results with some simple setup change and a few drills to practice for a short amount of time. This will not match your expectations. This forum is filled with the failed fruits of those labors ... including myself.
We all feel your pain. Time is a precious commodity that we all have too little of. It's a matter of picking your priorities and spending your time on what you love most. If it isn't golf, then you'll have to live pretty much with what you already have.