It's funny, I have the same struggles every year. I just found my notes from last August "when I was playing well". The preamble about everything that I've struggled with reads like I would have written it today. So I'm going to follow my notes and I'll be perfect soon!
Swing change is hard, and real improvement is a hundred times harder. I do several things pretty well, but I've struggled with irons forever. I'm about ready to concede the point and just play golf. Or so I tell myself.
I've been wondering, those of you out here in SA forum land, what aspect of your full swing game is your best? What is your weakest? By that I mean, driver/ fairway woods/ long irons/ short irons. Driver is my best, irons are my weakest. I pretty much know why. No use getting into it.
I have had the handle swingmachine for 9-10 years now, ever since I started swinging like Moe. That is the way I feel like "a swing machine" when I am swinging with the understanding of Moe's movements of the club. I've had on my private driving range on my property 14 holes in one with my 7 iron. Mind you never in a round of golf. So That is in short the reason I call myself swingmachine. I will look into the gentleman you speak of tho, Thanks.
I dont think that any of us ever will reach perfection but my swing has been at the point that I dont want to be messing around with it and making too many changes. Like everyone I still need to constantly work on setting up properly but other than working on setup and alignment (which is different than almost all other golfers) it is just look at the target and let it fly by reacting to the target.
If you improved so much that you are hitting the ball five clubs longer then you have really improved. Good luck and I hope you have a lot of different wedges in your bag as you will need to hit a lot of wedges because you are so long with your other clubs.
long story, started to re-work my game plan 2 years ago,
did lessons from local pro, increased swing and distance, but found my back likely gonna kill me.
so started over, from last december I been basically begin study the Mike Austin swing principles deep,
I applied to the range, added variation and worked trough each change with variation with deep practice and built a feedback machine. (Hit to target and tempo)
I had to find what the golf motion is about, define it, doing enough variation allowed me to remove old habits slowly and metodically. I improved steadily, then after around 7 months, things started to kick in and distance started to happen big time, tried it out, hit my PW 180yard carry in my back yard, lost the balls.
On the course a lot of adjustment has been needed as the distance increased I was faced with new club options and controlling distance and dialing in shots been my main focus lately.
My health isnt good, last competition I did started with 5 pars, became little tired, lost 6 shots in 3 holes, came back a bit in the end and overall fine result. When I get tired, I loose focus and cordination and have a hard time even to swing properly
My distance is stadily increasing with irons, the longer clubs is getting there.
Been hitting my longest drives this year and been able to go for it a lot more the few rounds I played.
People in my group started to try to hit longer also as I was outdriving them with spoon.
Last hole I played a par 5, I hit a spoon 260, 4i to right side and a 52w dead on pin, ended up short on green, didnt make the putt. My lost shots that day was from 100y and in, old habits happen from time to time when I get tired, when I am fine, the shots are all good.
Distance wise I am happy as it is atm, still some things to get right mainly dial in distances and consistency with irons.
On the 16 hole a par 3 110y to middle green, I used a 56w and hit it over the green, and I was like next time use a knock down 52w. I recall after working with local pro and hit a 7i over the green and now knowing same shot using a PW would produce the same distance, its a lot to adjust to.
Thats fantastic Robert,
Great to hear of such fantastic improvement.
I have been notorious about trying different swings
for 10 years now,, started at 58 in golf,, 69 now.
Just when I think I have settled on one of the many
I've tried, I find something else I want to try. I
like to experment, but not any good for scores.
I have finally took about 3 methods and blended them
together and now in the last month I have dropped from
97-98 to 9 holes only (to hot for me)of 43's and 44's
I'm sticking with this now. and very comfortable with
all parts of my swing. Not great, but my methods aren't
habits yet so I have high hopes of going lower.
Sometime back (a couple of Years) I looked at Mike
Austin's method,, probably didn't give it a chance.
I only hit driver about 212 yards, what did you
do that made the most difference for distance for
You ? Inquiring minds would like to know (grin).
Something else that I really find that helps me
is a book that someone listed (thanks to whoever that
was) that helped me take a big advantage because of
my pretty good skill with wedges at 100, 90, and 80yrds
Its called " Radical Golf " by Michael Laughlin
I still use the Driver, because I hit it well, but if
I make two mistakes with it in a match. I go to the
3 hybrid or 3 Iron. It is radical, but works for
scores in the 80's..
How old are you? you must be under 55 or a big guy.
Do you or have you worked to develop quite a bit
of lag in your swing? Anyway any secrets would be
appreciated... Your improvements are impressive.
Thanks, Ron rofox
I stopped listen to advice, watching video, or reading books or forums.
I did tape my swing, to check if it matched what I wanted things to be based on the model.
Then, at every range session, focus on one single thing to improve, each shot made with feedback, did that shot match what I wanted to happen today? If not, adjust and hit another one, repeat. (200 balls later)
That approach built me feedback and variation and I often couldnt hit the ball at all when I started that day on the range.
It was gruelsome and hard and once I had worked trough enough variation my body started to be able to discover what was going on as I become aware what was happening when I swung.
I had a over the top move since 20+ years, been a short hitter but often straight. I never did a proper pivot.
I wanted a pro level game, which might be a little higher than most want to keep their friends short on fairway but.
There are no short cuts, I dont expect someone at any age to start doing what I done and get things happening fast, as I had a plan and dug it out in the dirt. I am 48 years old, 49 later this year, 165cm long and ok build.
In regard to my swing using Mike Austin principles, that I looked at MCS 1.0 and 2.0 from DJ Watts, I checked out hitlonger.com by steve pratt, but what did work for me was 7 months range work with feedback.
I talk about the golf motion there today.
The swing must freewheel, meaning once the motion is known how the body moves trough space, then you dont turn to early meaning either a over the top move or spinning out the hips or any other thing.
When it freewheels, the clubhead will create huge speed at the bottom and it will be shown when the club moves in the circular pattern after impact. (figure 7)
To get there, you dont need to manipulate the hands, or arms or body, it will happen as a reaction to the throwing action of the club head and the pivot action to then counter the throw by moving the body back the same time for balance.
I still got work to do, my backswing is not optimal but I stopped caring about that and how it looks, I figure it be fine down the line as my technique improves and it has. I am not healthy enough to spend time at the range and play so I skipped the backswing work and focused on impact.
Today, I played 12 holes, first nine I played 5 over, two 3putts, lost a ball on 2 hole into a pond, and on 9 hole the 35foot putt went into hole and out only a par. I hit all fairways but one all my misses was from 120y and in, hit it to long. However, my 10 hole a 530y par 5, hit slight draw with driver best distance this year on that hole, pulled out my spoon and smoked it, 5yard short green a 270 or so distance, chipped into hole for an eagle.
The second shot bested my previous best by 70yards. I was having a long walk to get the third shot done heh.
My appraoch is this,
1. range decide what improvement I want to have that day.
2. do a draw or fade and tempo first and foremost.
3. wait by making one swing and feedback from that shot if it did match what I wanted to happen that day at the range.
4. if not, hit one more with either a draw or fade with tempo.
5. 7 months it took for me.
All shots was first done with draw or fade and tempo, and I waited until I was able to do the action I worked on that day.
I used that approach to help a pro golfer change his swing in 3 weeks from his modern to a austin based one. His carry with driver is in the 300y range.
That was you Don.. I appreciate you posting about
the book.. It has certainly helped me.
Still have about the last quarter of it to read.
after the main meat of it, I have been picking it up
every now and then.. Great Book
That's awesome what you have accomplished with the Austin principles of the swing. But which ones do you use? The ones Austin and Dunaway showed on the Peaceriver dvd or the Shauger stuff? Thanks and best of luck in your pursuit.
Robert, I am impressed by how you increased your distance.can you enligthen your brethren on how you did it. I am familiar with the mike austin swing but it has too many variations by dfferent people like Shauger.If you do not mind you can email me at joealmario@Gmail.com give me your e mail address and i will e mail my cell phone so we can chat. I have been on a quest for distance and i keep on losing more yards as i grow older. I will try your journey if I can. Thanks.
I can believe. I have seen some who could not hit a 7 iron 70 yards, and then in a lesson or two could then hit it 150 yards or more. What the people in that boat all had in common was a severe out to in swing path with a very open club face. They had speed, but it just not was transferred to the ball. I see this a lot.
From watching Robert's video I see many ideas that would likely not translate to maximum distance. Like not turning the body through before impact, and flipping the hands. In the finish he is also not totally turned through with the body, which is due to the hand flipping action. I applaud him for putting his ideas out there weather they help someone or not.
One, you need to turn the body trough, sry speed is made by the amount of force applied in a freewheeling action with hands.
what you call flip, Mike austin call 30 yard longer down the fairway a throwing action. If I turned, I be spinning out the hips slowing down the swing due to counterforces would then enter which needs balancing out.
To actually have all speed there I cant turn and spin the hips since that would break something in the body.
Its not just me, the guy I coach added distance and accuracy doing this and he hits it out in 330y ranges and I do talk carry there also. He went from modern swing and from injury to euphoria.
If your allowing the body to swing first and turn later you be entering a whole new world of golf.
The same principles are there for single axis also.
Hi Robert - I have watched many of your videos on YouTube, including some of the philosophical talks. You have an interesting point of view about life in general and about golf in particular. I think you have discovered something important which has transformed your golf game. I especially liked the video filmed in your utility room and spoken in your native language (which I do not understand). In that video you made it very plain why turning the body does not promote a good golf swing.
I think the best parts of your new swing are 1) your soft hands, 2) your ability to move your arms independently of your turning hips, 3) your fluid, relaxed and unforced overall body movements, and 4) your ability to freewheel the club into and through impact. I see your body following your arm swing and I do not see a "flip" of your wrists/hands as that term is usually defined.
Distance and Clubhead Speed - It's Easy ( but hard)
July 25 2012, 11:35 PM
First things first, as Robert and also Ham have both discussed - you must make a proper pass at the ball. I mean really, until you do several things well in the golf swing, and can repeat them, you will not get distance. Those things have all been discussed ad nauseum here many, many times. Nothing has changed.
Learn how to properly sequence the swing, with proper tempo, and on the sweet spot, and you will have good distance. But there are other factors that can take you beyond what good ball striking skills will take you. For that you must train for additional speed. While the numbers vary some from authority to authority, the fact is we lose muscle as we age. One reference cites these numbers:
Every year between the ages of 25 and 60, the physically inactive male will lose muscle mass and muscle strength at a rate of .5% and although this number may seem low, it adds up quickly. After the age of 60, male muscle loss doubles to about 1% every year. After 70, muscle mass and muscle strength declines by 2% every year. This doubling continues every ten years until death.
In other words, just hitting balls won't get you there. The long driver guys have a saying "To be fast you must train fast". You must work to develop and maintain your muscle mass in general, and specifically the muscles for speed that are used in the golf swing. There is a formula:
Swing speed = sound swing mechanics + general fitness program to maintain/increase muscle mass + golf specific speed training
So once again we find ourselves staring at that four letter word - WORK. It's not that hard to add speed, if you work, and work the right way.
speed is from strength and flxibility and mobility.
good technique and ability to create speed.
Muscles mass loss is a factor but can be countered with weight training and good mobility.
Most people as they age loose mobility more than strength.
Fat belly, stiff joints, etc...
I done Intu-flow for over a year now daily, its a program from scott sonnon and helps build mobility and increase fluid motion. I removed older injuries I had and it helps with workouts to recover faster and is easy to do.
I do home programs for strength as far I can cope due to illness.
Its not much but it helps.
Then understanding body is crucial, speed comes from being able to make muscles work efficient, meaning no contradiction or if one activate the bicep then tricep stays rested and relaxed, its called antagonists and once one are able to let those be relaxed you can increase 50 yards to driver by that alone.
Most have to tight grip, many increase grip pressure during the swing which activate antagonists and slows it down.