I don't understand some cryonicists' obsessions with self-philosophy. These people need a new forum area. Cryonicists by definition accept the idea that your self is embedded in preservable brain (and perhaps some CNS) structure and that it's theoretically reanimatable. What more is there to say unless you don't really accept that basic axiom? Maybe these people don't accept it so continue to debate it. I would have thought that the best discussions on a cryonics forum would be about how best to preserve that structure. All the people who best know what's going on in that area, however, have been "privatized". This is not how to attract new people to cryonics.