Da li kod vas ima muslimana koji se osecaju kao srbi? Kao, na primer, Emir Kusturica. I sta mislite o svemu ovome, uzimajuci u obzir da su bosnjaci u stvari uglavnom srbi koji su preuzeli islam? Nemam nameru da ikome namecem da je srbin, i ako smatrate da poreklom niste srbi vec neki drugi recite.
Pozdrav.

You are sick and retarded!!!

Nice answer, thanks.

I guess you anonymous think you are smarter than Emir Kusturica, the greatest movie productor on the balkans (he claims he is serbian, but muslimized) . If you are that smart please tell me the facts, do not insult! Insulting prooves nothing but your stupidity.

Emir Kusturica je Cigan

Haha! OK, kako ti kazes.

Pitanje za G-a. Zašto se Emir Kusturica do početka rata izjašnjavao kao jugoslaven a kad su počeli napadi na Sarajevo pobjegao je u okolna brda, pridružio se srbima i vikao "ja sam srbin"! Dvoličnost ili barbarstvo? Uzalud mu ta njegova "praška škola" i sve nagrade. Umjetnik bi trebao biti depolitiziran i cijepljen protiv svake mržnje. Ta spodoba NIJE i nikada neće biti umjetnik! Ta spodoba je bila još jedan miloševićev jatak i trebalo bi mu za sva vremena ZABRANITI dolazak u Sarajevo!

Lijep pozdrav iz Zagreba!

Pa ni ja ne volim Emira Kusturicu, niti njegove filmove. Istina, sve je tako "ciganski", ali ipak je on priznat. Mora da ima i bar neceg dobrog. Ali poenta mog pitanja nije bio on... Koliki je on srbin ili nesto drugo ne znam... Pozdrav za Zagreb

MarkoZG,

Muslimani su ljudi ciji je um zaista zarobljen, iako veci deo muslimana zna i koju su im slavu predci slavili oni to nesmju nikada priznati. Dok su mnogi pokusali ispirati mozak ljudima niko nije bio toliko uspesan u tome kao islam. Sa muslimanom je moguce imai dialog o mnogim stvarima ali cim im pokazes istinu mozak im se zatvori kao skoljka i nema sanse da oni koriste kriticno razmisljanje i dodju do inteligntnog zakljucka.

Marko ti nemas pojma vi Hrvati neznam odaklesi i nemas pojma sta pricas ti sa istinom nemas blage veze pretpostavljm dasi Katolik iz Bosne okakvoj istini ti pricas sta ste vi hrvati imali da trazite u Mostaru i drugim krajevima Bosne pogledaj samo tu sramotu imam prijtelja iz hrvtske koji je ratovao u Bosni sta trazite tamo sda svi viste veliki Hrbvati bogledaj fudbalski klub Velez koji je od svog postanka igrao pod bijelim brijegom a sad neki Zrinjski im uzeo stadion samo vi Hrvati mozete to sa svojom politikom ali doce sve na svoje obrazujse malo citaj stampu paces vidjeti stasu nasli u kancelariji bivseg prijcednika Hrvatske gos.Tudzmana idi u skolu posto nemas pojma sta pricas pozdrav mojim Bosancima.

Pametni muhareme ( sa malim m)

Koji Hrvat prica cistu ekavicu? Ja sam Pravoslavne vere i Srbin od glave do pete. Primecujem da tvoj odgovor zaobilazi pomenute lazi iz Kuran koje te uce da se sperm stvara izmedju kicme i grudi . Ajde bolan ako je tako da mi to dokazemo, idi ti kod doktora neka te ustroji pa da mi vidimo ako ces uspeti napraviti dete sa tim organima izmedju kicme i grudi. Ahmmm da malo sutra. Laze te Kuran bolen nebio.

PS: Imali ijedan Musliman iz bilo koje drzave da je doprineo svetu koliko je Nikola Tesla?

Uf bre... Nijedan bosnjak mi nije odgovorio na pitanje. Neki kazu - cutanje=odobravanje. Marko svaka cast, imas argumente na mestu.

G

Nista bolje od ISTINE, zato sam se i namucio da procitam Kur'an i Hadite, veruj nije lako citati takav primitivizam.

Muslimanima samo treba namestiti ogledalo da se lepo vide u njemu i kada zaista shvate sta veruju gadice se sami sebi.

Joj sto ste mi vi Srbi I Hrvati (nacionalisti) dragi nemozete zamisliti.

Bolje bi vam bilo da sutite i zabijete se u vase katedrale i postanete kaludzeri jer sa takvim prljavim mozgom nemozete ni ulicu cistiti.

Gazija
Odgovori mi na pitanje...

Gazija,

Nije nacionalizam reci istinu. Vi verujete u paganskog Boga po imenu Hubal a zvali su ga Allah. Hubal je bio bog meseca i plodnosti, njegovi simboli su bili mlad mesec i tornjevi u obliku muskog uda koji se jos uvek nalaze pord dzamija. Muhamedov otac je bio pagan a ako prevedes njegovo ime sa arapskog znaci Allahov rob kao sto vi sami sebe i danas nazivate. Hubalovi vernici su trcali oko Kaba goli dok vi danas tricete obuceni, velika razlika nema sta. Kaba je bio glavni hram za paganskog boga Hubala a i danas je za vaseg Allaha. hubalovi vernici su postili za ramazan kao sto i vi danas radite. Hubalovi vernici su se klanjali prem Meki, bacali kamenje, pipkali crni kamen i ljubili ga da onaj isti crni kamen sto muslimani i danas obozavaju u Meki. Hubalovi vernici su dozvoljavali pedofiliju kao sto islam i dan danas dozvoljava. Glavni bog Muhamedovog pelemna je bio Hubal i ostao samo sto je muhamed malo preradio veru u monoteizam i danas nekoristite Hubalov kip. Na ovom prvom situ ces moci videti sliku tvoga boga Hubala/Allaha.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god-hubal.htm

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-photos-moon-worship-archealolgy.htm

http://www.souldevice.org/islamgod.htm


Nacionalizam je kada neko veruje da mora osvojiti svet za svoga paganskog boga kao sto Islam veruje. islam opravdava ubijanje silovanje i nasilje da se taj cilj ostvari.

Kur’an(Surah 8:39).
I borite se protiv njih dok mnogoboštvo ne iščezne i dok samo Allahova vjera ne ostane.

Muhammed je ozenio dete od sest godina i sa njom imao sex kada je dete bilo samo devet godina staro, to moj prijatelju je divljastvo i primitivizam koji Islam i dan danas podrzava.

Pre nego sto nekoga zoves naconalista, sto Srbi nikada nisu bili pogledaj sebe dobro u ogledalo. U Srbiji zive razni narodi i Srbi su ih usvojili a islamu nikako nestima ako nepreteraju druge populacije u Islam. Sto se Hrvata tice tu vi sa njima imate puno zajednockog pravi nacionalisti nema sta. Vama i Hrvatima su smetali Srbi, Jevreji, Cigani pa ste ih u Jasenovcu klali i mucili bas bez imalo milosti. Ali neka sve to ostane pravom istinitom Bogu da vam za to sudi.

PS:

Na Arapskom jeziku genericna rec za Boga je ROBI muslimani tu rec nikada nekoriste vec koriste Allah, Allah je oduvek bila specificna rec koja je oznacavala Hubala kao boga. U staroj arabiji su se molili Allahu dok su stajali pored Hubalovog kipa. Posto ime Muhammedovog oca je bilo Abdula a to znaci Allahov Rob a covek je bio pagan ocito on je bio rob Hubala/Allaha.

Pa ovo je zaista zalost da ljudi koji tvrde da je vera istine nemogu mi odgovoriti na postavljena pitanja.

Imali ijedan Musliman ovde koji ima pojma u sta zaista veruje?

To je zaista prava tuga izdali ste svoju pravoslavnu veru i svoj narod da bi prihvatili pagansku veru o kojoj pojma nemate osim sto vas hodze lazu.

G,

Vidis kako to ide kod Muslimana (poturcenih Srba)? Ako im das defintivne dokaze ili cute kao zaliveni ili psuju oba postupka tvrde da se nemogu sa istinom suociti. Jos nijedan mi nije dao inteligentan odgovor i neverujem da ce ikada.

Evo malo povijesnih cinjenica! Da li su Srbi nacionalisti? Predvodnik Srba u prethodnom ratu bio je Slobodan Milošević koji je imao jednoglasnu podršku svih Srba zajedno sa svojim satelitom Karadžićem. Prvi je u Haagu, a drugi se skriva po okolnim šumama! Činjenica je da su njih dvojica vršili etničko čiščenje u Bosni i Hercegovini, ubijajući nesrbe i silujući nesrpkinje! Ako etničko čiščenje nije krajnji, nakaradni oblik nacionalizma onda sta je? Projekt velike srbije je propao, isto kao što će propast i svi ovakvi moralni i etički bolesnici kao dotični Marko, koji su sramota modernog svijeta! Gledam iz svoje perspektive Srbiju, jednu od najsiromašnijih a uskoro i najmanjih zemalja u Europi, koja će uskoro ostat na beogradskom pašaluku, kada se odvoje Vojvodina, Kosovo i Crna Gora! Pitam se da li vam je sad lijepo nakon cijelog zla koje ste napravili nad nesrbima, s prosječnom plaćom koliko ja dnevno potrošim! Ali neka, što ste htjeli to ste i dobili! Sanadera tretirate kao Boga kad vam dodje u posjet, ajme na šta ste spali, povraća mi se od vas! Nastojim biti donekle kulturan u ovom postu, ali sine Marko verbalno bi te doslovno ubio da udjem s tobom u bilo kakvu diskusiju. Pitam se dalje kako je tako nevina i nenacionalistička Srbija dala toliko glasova deklariranom, nacionalistu i velikosrbu nikoliću na prethodnim izborima, koji u svojim izjavama želi Srbiju do Karlobaga! Samo neka krene u pohod, pa da vas porazimo i ponizimo do kraja, jer ste očito preglup narod da shvatite da je vaša budućnost beogradski pašaluk, a velika Srbija san primitivaca i moralnih ispljuvaka! Toliko od mene, a vas sve takve kakvi jeste pljunem, i želim puno sreće u slijedećem razdoblju traženja hrane po kontejnerima, zimi bez grijanja i života u bijedi

Covece, zasto saljes takvo pismo na moje pitanje? Zasto ne odgovoris na moje pitanje, a ne da lupas gluposti? Inace, u Vojvodini imas 85 % srba, tako da si ti taj koji sanja, a Srbija ce postati veca kada joj se prikljuci rep. Srpska.

solety,

Zar ti nisi citao ili cuo nimalo realnih informacija o ratu u BiH?

Silovanja o kojima muslimani pricaju nesumnjam da su se mozda 2% dogodila a ostalo je bajka. Za vreme rata Bosanska vlada je tvrdila da su Srbi silovali 200,000 muslimanki. To se kasnije poazalo totalnom neistinom, seti se takodje Muslimanke koja je tvrdila da su je Srbi silovali a kada se porodila dete je bilo crnacko. Interesantno je takodje da Muslimani nikada nepricaju o silovanim Srpkinjama dok na sav glas jacucu o bulama koje su se sa crncima rokale a krivile srbe.

Za vreme rata u srbiji je ziveo veliki broj Muslimana i ostalih naroda niko ih nije isterao klao ili silovao dok su srbi gadno prosli u Muslimanskim i Hrvatskim krajevima. Pogledaj malo neutralne informacije nemoj samo slusati sto ti hodze i bosanska vrala servira.

Svim gradjanima Republike Bosne i Hercegovine cestitam nadolazeci praznik Dan Drzavnosti. 25.11. je dan kada je nasa Bih stala na svoje noge i postala drzava svih njenih naroda i narodnosti. Svoju nezavisnost smo u krvi stvorili i niko nam je nece moci oduzeti

Ovako Emir Kusturica je prodana duša i govno od čovjeka jer je izdao svoj narod, toliko o njemu više nije zaslužio! Sto se tiče vas Srba (ne bi htio generalizirat, ali iz vlastitog iskustva znam da vas je 99% u kurcu)cijeli život jebete u mozak sve oko sebe, i iskreno boli me ona stvar za vas! Svako normalan na svijetu zna ko je kriv, osim naravno vas govana od srba! Toliko od mene zauvijek na ovom forumu jer mi se diže kosa na glavi i skače tlak! Drukčije bi se mi razgovarali na ulici, jer s vama očito nema druge!

e zaboravio sam ovom degeneriku marku poručit, u pravu si legenda si i totalno inteligentan čovjek, daj si učini uslugu i utopi se u dunavu ili nekoj drugoj rijeci

Da ti točno odgovorim na pitanje! kod nas Muslimana nema ljudi koji se osjećaju kao Srbi, iz jednostavnog razloga zato što to nismo! Iz istog razloga kao što se Njemci ne osjećaju kao englezi i obratno kapiraš???

ehehehehe kako mozes porediti engleza i nemca budalo pricaju da razlicita jezika i sad srbi i vi poturceni ste razliciti jeli...al smo tvrdoglavi

Ovako, i da smo nastali od srba, ne osjećamo se Srbima. U tome je poanta a ne jesmo li nastali, kretenčino! Ja se osobno više osjećam kao bilo koja druga nacija na svijetu nego srbin zato jer ih mrzim! Jel sad kapiraš? Ti si izgleda markova kategorija

Da ti još malo dočaram! Pitaj Amera da li se osjeća kao Englez? pričaju isti jezik i nastali su od njih, ali ne osjeća! Dečko promašio si poantu

da ali ameri nisu prihvatili drugu vjeru da postanu drugaciji onu su se odvojili jer su im englezi stavljali mnoge takse zbog zastite 13 kolonija u "indijansko-francuzkom ratu" ameri nisu prihvatili te takse jer su smatrali da se engleska bori samo za sebe a ne za njih jos su se bunili zbog blokade mornice jer su im englezi blokirali put da saradjuju za engleskim neprijateljima (napoleon)..i to je njihova prica a vi poturceni vi ste sramota prodali vjeru i naciju za veceru...takvi i jeste jer nemate dokaze nikakve da niste nastali od srba ili hrvata hajde molim te da mi jedan obrazovan covjek objasni sa dokazima da su "bosjnaci" ikada kao sopstveni narod dosli na balkan...nigde nepise jer ste bili srbi/hrvati i kad su turci dosli poturcili se i sada solite pamet kako ste bosnjaci drugi narod skroz koji medjutim prica srpski jezik...dali mislite da ste arapi neki ili nesto tako jer ovako kako pricate i ponasate izgleda da ste zaboravili da ste uopste sloveni...turci su dobar posao uradili svama negovori se bezveze "ako je turcin krvav do lakta on mora biti do ramena" vi nas mrzite jer ste toliko prihvatili turke da morate uraditi sta god samo da niste srbi...ljuti te se vi koliko hocete ali ta istina stoji nasli bi bolje prijatelje sa srbima da prihvatite to kao civilizovani ljudi (naprimjer ameri koji isto prihvate da su od engleza) suvise ste fanaticni gospodine kao dobar broj muslimana

hej drazo,

Daj saberi se malo, u prethodnim porukama si pisao da su Bosnjaci nastali od Srba tako sto su promijenili pravoslavnu vjeru u doba Turaka. U zadnjem postu pises "nigde nepise jer ste bili srbi/hrvati i kad su turci dosli poturcili se". Dakle po tome mogli smo biti i Hrvati. Prvo se odredi jesmo li od Hrvata ili Srba. Moram priznati, jedan si od rijetkih Srba koji ostavlja i hrvatsku mogucnost porijekla Bosnjaka.

Najnovija genetska istrazivanja ne ostavljaju mjesta sumnji u to da su Bosnjaci i Hrvati vrlo bliski po svome iranskom porijeklu, i da su prakticno jedan narod, samo se postavlja pitanje imenovanja toga naroda, da li samo kao Bosnjaci, da li samo kao Hrvati ili kao nesto trece npr. Bosnjaci - Hrvati. U svakom slucaju genetika ne ostavlja nikakvog mjesta srpsko - slavenskoj komponenti kod ovoga naroda.

Tvoja recenica: "a vi poturceni vi ste sramota prodali vjeru i naciju za veceru" je cisti nonsens: nasi preci kada su napustili bogumilstvo i primili Islam nisi postali nista manji sinovi svoje domovine Bosne. Procitaj sta Srbin - Vasa Pelagic pise u svojoj “Istoriji bosansko-ercegovacke bune”, 2 izdanje, Budimpesta 1880, str. 39: “Ovom je mnogo doprinela i demokratska priroda muhamedanske vjere i uprave. Uz to i bogomili su se listom isturcili, jer su ih zbog njihove vjere slobodoumne gonili i pravoslavni i katolici.” Dakle, po Pelagicu poturcila se i vlastela i seljaci pa je jasno gdje su korijeni onih koji se jos i danas imenuju Bosnjacima.
Ako je Stevan Prvovencani okrunjen za srpskog kralja od strane pape Honorija to znaci da je priznao papu i postao katolik. Da li to znaci da je i on "prodao vjeru i naciju za veceru" i da je u balkanskim relacijama postao Hrvat?
Znam da srpska propaganda ne moze dati odgovor na ova pitanja, jer luta izmedju vjere i nacije, pa ako one prema kojima ima aspiracije ne moze svrstati u pravoslavce, onda uvodi spasonosni pojam Srbi katolicke, bogumilske ili islamske vjere.
Ako su stanovnici srednjovjekovne Bosne (prije dolaska Turaka) bili pravoslavci, zasto su onda srpski pravoslavni vladari (Dusan i ostali) poduzimali vojne pohode u cilju iskorijenjivanja bogumilske hereze i na isto pozivali papu i madzarskog kralja. O kakvoj se herezi radi ako su nasi preci bili pravoslavci? Ako mozes, molim te odgovori mi egzaktno na ovo pitanje.
Isto vrijedi i za hrvatsku propagandu, jedan njihov povijesnicar se ubi dokazujuci da su doslovno svi bosanski banovi i kraljevi bili katolici, jer time zeli dokazati da su u stvari bili Hrvati. A to sto se npr. bosanski kralj Tvrtko nikada nije imenovao drugacije nego Bosnjak, naravno vas ne zamara, nego jednostavno dinastiju Kotromanica proglasite jednom od srpskih dinastija i stvar je rijesena.
I dan danas Katolicka crkva u BiH obiljezava samo dva datuma iz srednjovjekovne bosanske povijesti i to ona koja su na neki nacin vezana za Vatikan, jer ne moze potkrijepiti tezu o hrvatskom porijeklu nasih predaka, pa se okrece samo vjerskim stvarima. Prva je godisnjica tzv. Bilinopoljske abiuracije (kada su se Bosnjaci pod vodstvom Kulina bana, a pred papinim inkvizitorom Kazamarisom odrekli hereze da bi izbjegli krizarski rat - kada je opasnost od rata prosla opet su se vratili bogumilstvu), a druga je godisnjica smrti zadnje bosanske kraljice Katarine koja je nakon sto su Turci zauzeli Bosnu otisla u Rim i tamo umrla. Ne bi ona njima bila toliko interesantna, da nije prije svoje smrti Bosnu darovala Vatikanu - na sto, naravno, nije imala pravo iz najmanje dva (a sigurno i vise) razloga (1. ona nije bila kraljica u pravom - nasljednom smislu rijeci, nego samo kraljeva zena, odnosno kraljica majka koja je zadnjem bosanskom kralju rodila sina kao nasljednika i kcer kao princezu, pa je nasljedstvo nad prijestoljem i bosanskom zemljom otislo drugom linijom na onoga - njenog sina - koji je primio Islam; 2. ona je bila od roda bogumilskih Kosaca, koji su bili feudalni vladari jednog dijela zemlje i podlozni Kotromanicima koji su bili jedini i istinski vladari onog teritorija koji se naziva prava Bosna).
Zasto katolicka crkva u BiH ne obiljezava nijedan datum vezan direktno za dinastiju Kotromanica? Odgovor je jednostavan: Kotromanici nisu bili primjerni katolici, a najcesce nisu uopce ni bili katolici, a sa hrvatstvom ih je jako tesko povezati - a da to ne ispadne lakrdija, a kako ces vidjeti njih je bez jos vece lakrdije tesko povezati i sa srpstvom.
Povijesno je opcepoznata stvar da se 22 godine prije bitke na Kosovu polju Tvrtko proglasio za kralja Srba zbog, kako povijest kaze, tankih rodbinskih veza sa Nemanjicima koje je stekao zenidbom. Samo se ta njegova titula odnosi na narod - Srbe, a sve ostale (kralj Bosne, Zapadnih strana, Donjih krajeva itd) na teritorije. Dakle on je bio kralj Srba a ne Srbije, i samo se tako mogao imenovati jer Srbi tada nisu imali jedinstvenu zemlju nego nekoliko sitnih vladara. Jedan od njih je bio i knez Lazar Hrebeljanovic koji je priznao Tvrtka za svoga vladara (citaj: postao mu vazal) nakon sto je skupa sa Tvrtkom pobijedio i oslijepio svoga najveceg rivala medju Srbima - Nikolu Altomanovica. Bez Tvrtka to nikada ne bi mogao uciniti, pa ga je morao priznati za svoga gazdu.
Obzirom da je Tvrko bio vrhovni vladar Srba morao ih je braniti od Turaka na Kosovu polju pa je i poslao dole svoju vojsku pod komandom bogumila Vlatka Vukovica da se skupa sa njegovim vazalima Lazarom Hrebeljanovicem i Milosem Kobilicem bori protiv Osmanlija. Kad je Srbin - Vuk Brankovic (kako vi kazete) nacinio izdajstvo sve je propalo, Turci su pobijedili i kralj Tvrtko je izgubio Kosovo. Vec od naredne 1390 godine se Tvrtko titulira samo kao kralj Raske, Bosne, Dalmacije, Hrvatske i Primorja - dakle nema Srba u svojoj tituli. Da se on osjecao Srbinom i da su Bosnjaci bili Srbi mogao je tu titulu komotno zadrzati, ali nije. Molim te, pogodi razlog zasto je nije zadrzao. Kad bih ja tebi sada rekao da je na osnovu ovoga Kosovo, a i Sandzak - Raska, bosansko - ti bi sigurno popizdio. Sta ces, vi imate mit, a povijest je nasoj strani. Ne boj se necemo mi traziti Kosovo, suvise je zapaljivo, ne traba nam jos problema, sami to rijesite sa Albancima. Ali Sandzak se mora kad - tad prikljuciti svojoj bosanskoj matici.

posten odgovor...hmm stavio sam hrvate sa srbima jer..neznam i oni se racunaju kao sloveni i zbog toga pravi malo logike da su i oni dosli na ta plemena kao i srbi i zbog toga jednostavno necu ja sada izbaciti hrvate iz istorije bosne bez ijednog dokaza mora se i to prihvatiti jebi kad se nevolimo ali to je druga stvar...verovatno je problem da ja i ostali srbi i svi sa balkana posmatraju svoju istoriju na tradicionalistcki istoriski nacin...(ako znas ocemu pricam) ali se ipak trudim da pogledam sa vase strane isto jer jebiga korisno je ali opet i ja slutim sa puta i pocinjem pricati o istoriji kao i neki moji tvrdoglavni (zbog ljutnje najvise)...postavljas dobra pitanja i na zalost ih nemogu odgovoriti neslazem se da su istiniti ali u isto vreme necu te ideje i te argumente odbiti jer kad se tice istorije a pogotovo nase balkanske trebaju se sloziti sve istine i sve price da se moze istorija stvarno iskreno sastaviti...dobro sto si pomenuo bogomilje za njih sam skroz zaboravio...neznam sta da kazem dobar argument ali mi samo fale dokazi koje imas ja mislim jer nebi mogao ovako nesto napisati...dali mozda studiras istoriju???

Odgovoricu ja na tvoje pitanje.
Kao prvo ja sam Albanac.
Sto se tice bosnjaka mogu ti reci da su oni jako frustriran narod jer ne znaju kome pripadaju, nemaju svoje ja, nisu nacija uopste jer ne ispunjavaju uslove za to.
Poznajem mnogo bosnjaka i narocito sam upoznao mnogo od njih posle rata. Bio sam zapanjen mrznjom koju gaje prema Albancima, zamislite Albancima.
Jos jedna stvar - Ja nisam nacionalista niti imam nekih pretenzija prema bilo cijoj teritoriji.
Zato, Srbi, nemojte da se ljutite kad kazem sledece:
Ne razumem zasto Bosnjaci u tolikoj meri mrze Albance kad im Albanci nisu nista nazao ucinili. Bosnjaci bi trebali da budu vise kivni na Srbe koji su ih potamanili ko bubasvabe u Srebrenici i sirom Bosne...
Zasto se uopste mesam u ovu diskusiju? Pa iz privatnih razloga.... Volim jednu Bosnjakinju a njena me porodica mrzi zato sto sam SIPTAR. Ljudi, verujte, to boli...
Nadam se da ce se jednog dana sve lepo srediti i da ce svi narodi na Balkanu da se okrenu pametnijim stvarima i razvoju a da za sobom ostave svu mrznju koja nas samo ukopava.........
Pozdrav svima.
Moje pismo shvatite kao izraz trenutne slabosti i mojeg emotivnog stanja.... Peace brothers...

Bosaceros,

Dali ste vi primetili kako allahovi junaci nastradase u Iraku? Kakav je to bre allah koji ni prst nece da digne da pomogne svojim silnim muhadzadinima?


Ma nema nista bolan od krmka allaha i njegovog psa Muhammeda.

Afganistan i Irak su pali Arabija Sirija i Iran su sledeci na listi.

Long live the USA.

Vidi se Marko da ti nemas dvije ciste, kada se radi o cistim faktima.
Eeee Boze, dokle li ce ova srpska propaganda jos postojati. nemojte nam se tamo pogusiti u toj vasoj velikoj srbiji s tom vasom, nama vec poznatoj, tematikom.

Peace

Neka je mir i boziji blagoslov sa vama...da bi razumio ko je Bosnjak, mozda bi morao prvo poznavati sebe. Ali posto smo vrlo daleko od istine, mozda nikad ni saznat neces. Kazu umni i uceni, da je covjek stvoren da bi spoznao sebe, pa kad i ako spozna sebe onda ce spoznat i stvoritelja. Interesantno je koliko li se Srbi i Hrvati trude da prisvoje Bosnjake muslimane. Za dobrim konjem se prasina dize, kazivali nam stari . Helem da skratim, Bosnjak, pa jos musliman, ima li ista ljepse i plemenitije na ovoj kugli zemaljskoj. Nema! Ali, srz svih problema, pocnimo sa svojatanjima, pa manipulacije da Bosnjaci ne znaju ko su...jeste neznanje. Dragi Marko (ima li znacenje ovo ime?)ne zamaraj se ti time ko su Bosnjaci, znaju oni ko su, bar oni koji hoce da znaju, a to je dovoljno, VJERUJ,vec zapitaj sebe ko si ti.Jer medicina je danas dokazala kako nastaje beba, da ne kazem covjek. Isto tako naucne cinjenice koje su potvrdile ajete u Kuranu o postanku, nastanku... kao i bezbroj drugih naucno dokazanih cinjenica.Tako da je sasvim jasno sta je Kuran i ko je bio Muhammed s.a.w.s. Ako si vjernik, sto neprimjecujem iz izlozenog, moras( nije vise stvar tvoga licnog izbora, nego ti bog nalaze to!)imati respekt za drugacije vjerovanje. Steta sto tebe Allah Uzviseni nije uputio na pravi put, jer koga On uputi niko ga okrenuti ne moze i obratno. A sto se tice Iraka, ...kao i drugih americkih podviga moderne demokratije, razmisli mozda je to opomena tebi, meni i svima onima koji imaju razum pa ga i koriste ili pak nekoriste. Razmisli covjece gdje stojis danas jer odgovaraces sutra pred svojim Stvoriteljem zasto nisi digao svoj glas kad je "tamo neko daleko" ugrozen bio.Sto se tice razlike izmedju muslimana i Marko tebe i takvih poput tebe je ta sto svaki musliman zna kome se moli, zna ko mu je Gospodar. Kod vas se insan malo pocesce i zbuni kad zaboravi ko je Gospod...Islam koji nam zele predstaviti Bush, Milosevic Tudman i company nije islam i mene kao vjernicu njihova ocajnicka nervoza radi pokusaja da se ocrni sto vise, samo jaca i daje snagu. A pravda ce stici za sve nas, ne na ovom svijetu i ne od COVJEKA nego onda kad mi vise nebudemo imali sansu da kazemo nesto, jer smo svaku sansu prokockali. Vise i ne znamo sta je pravda. Ali ima Onaj ko zna. Amin, uslisaj Gospodaru. Oprosti im jer neznaju sta rade.

insan,

Bas mi je drago da ti napisa ono sto si gore napisao sada si mi pomogao da dokazem sta je islam zaista.


Tvoje reci:
"Kazu umni i uceni, da je covjek stvoren da bi spoznao sebe, pa kad i ako spozna sebe onda ce spoznat i stvoritelja".

U paganskoj/satanskoj veri se oduvek verovalo da je "sveto apsolutno nista" ili drugim recima bog(po njihovom shvatanju) je eksplodirao u universum i zato je sve deo boga. Odatle potice i Big Bang teorija. Po toj veri posto je sve deo Boga kada covek zaista upozna sebe upozna i boga jer oni veruju da su bogovi. Upravo zato su Arpi izmisli nulu da bi objasnili sta je zaista njihov bog.

Jevrejska i Hricanska vera se u tome razlikuje od svih laznih vera mi verujemo da je Bog jedan a iskazuje se u tri kao sto si ti jedan covek sa dusom, telom i intelektom. Fizicko telo je neto materijalno a dusa i intelekt duhovno/vrsta energije. Isus ima fizicko telo Otac je duhvno bice poput intelekta a Sveti Duh je takodje duhovno bice poput duse.

Bog je stvoritelj a svi i sve ostalo su stvorenja. Bog nije nijedan delic sebe pretvrio u universum vec je samo komandovao da se universum pojavi. Znaci u mojoj veri samo je Bog Bog i nista drugo nema sanse da covek postane Bog. Djavolov greh je upravo to sto ti verujes on je zelo da se popne na Boziji prestol (da postane bog) i naravno u svojim laznim verama pod mnogo varijanti je to ucio ljude. BOG JE STVRITELJ MI SMO STVORENJA.

Mnogi muslimani nisu svesni da islam na najvisem nivou upravo uci ljude to sto si ti izjavio, bas mi je drago da si. Hvala ti sto si mi pomogao da objasnim ljudima da je Islam samo paganska vera pod maskom.

BOG JE JEDAN I NIKO I NISTA NIJE DEO BOGA OSIM BOGA SVE OSTALO U UNIVERSUMU JE BOG STVRIO A NIJEDAN DELIC SEBE NIJE U UNIVERSUM PRETVRIO. To je jedna od velikih razlika Hricanstva i ostalih vera. Alksadnar mekdosnki je verovao takodje da je on bog i umro je kada je bio samo 30 od pica nije sam sebe mogao spsiti a Isus je digao sebe iz mrtvih, ipak to je ogromna razlika. Muhamed/pedofil, ubica, pljackaros je takodje umro i istrulio a sam sebe nije mogao spasiti. jadni su ti sto veruju da su Bogovi a sami sebe spasiti nemogu.

PS:

Kur'an tvrdi da sperm se stvara izmedju kicme i grudi danas je poznato da je to greska koju je prvo pisao Hippocrates u 400 BC.

Kur'an Sura 86:6. Stvoren je od tekućine koja se izbaci,
Kur'an Sura 86:7. koja između kičme i grudi izlazi,


Cim ti odes kod doktora da te ustroji pa bez muda uspes napraviti dete a po kur'an to je moguce ja cu preci u silam. Ali ako nemozes to uraditi budi covek pa reci istinu da je to neistina izjavljan u Kur'an.

Islam*

PS:

Pre nego sto se ljutis na mene za ono sto sam gore napisao o Muhammedu da je pedofil, ubica i pljackaros pogledaj Kur'an dobro i Hadite.

Muhammed je ozenio dete Aisu i imao sex sa njom kada je ona bila devet godina stara a on 54 to moj prijatelju je pedofilija u pravom smislu reci.

Muhamed je prvo pobio svoje komsije u meki i onda nastavio sa svojom armijom da kaspi sve one koji nisu prihvatili islam, to ga cini ubicom posto je ubijao ljude.

Pljacka je kada covek otme tudju imovinu. Muhammedova armija je ubila ljude i odnela sve sto je vredelo cak i ljude su drzali kao robove specijalno zene kao sex robinje a i muhammed je licno to radio. Marija je bila Hricanka koja nikada nije prihvatila islam i on je drzao kao sex robinju. Rayhana je bila Jevrjka cijeg muza je Muhammed ubio i silom nju odveo da mu bude sex robinja. jos sto je gore je da je muhamed takodje uzeo zenu svoga sina Zaida sto samo najprmitivniji krmak na svetu bi mogao uraditi. Da Zaynab je bila zena njegovog sina Zaida pre nego sto je Muhammed uzeo za svoju. Sad procitaj Sura 33:36-38).

Dok je muhammed dozvoljavao ostalim muslimanima da imaju 4 zene on je za sebe uzeo 20, koja pravda. Znam da muslimani pokusaju to opravdati da kao fol Muhammed je bio perfektan. Hmmmmmmmmm dali je to istina? Gde u Kur'an pise da je Muhammed bio perfektan? pise u stvari da se molio za oprostaj svojih grehova sto tvrdi da nije bio perfektan. A naravno da je bio perfektan nebi bio pedofil, ubica i pljackaros.

Te knjige, Marko, koje ti citas su ocito napisana cirilicom, pa zato i nije cudo to sto govoris hahahaa
"Ko ne postuje svoju vjeru, ne postuje ni tudju" sveto pravilo balkanskog naroda.

Nego de ti meni reci, koliko kosta mjesecno taj internet tamo u ludnici, da ti platim unaprijed do Nove Godine

KaMikaZza

Kao uvek kada muslimanu das istinu koja nestima, onda krene u personalni napad posto nije u stanju da brani svoju veru logikom i dokazima.

Ja necitam knjige pisane cirilicom vec Kur'an i Hadite a to zlo su pisali Muslimani.
Dali ti znas da Kur'an koji ti citas danas nije orginal? Dali znas da je treci kalip islama izdao novu versiju Kur'an i naredio da se sve druge versije vrate njemu i onda ih je spalio?

Tvoje poruke mi kazu ili si zaista jako neuk po pitanju islama ili si LAZOV najgore kategorije posto sam Muhammed je rekao "priznaj istinu i kada je protiv tebe" ako si ikakav Musliman trebao bi priznati da je Muhammed ozenio dete i imao sex sa Aisom kad aje ona bila jadno dete od 9a on matori deda od 54, to ga cini pedofilom.

U kuran bezbroj pita opisuje borbe u kojima je Muhammedova armija pobila ljude to ga cini ubicom. Na samom pocetki Islama on je pobio svoje komsije u meki.

Dozvolio je svojoj armiji da siluju zene i da ih odvode u rosptvo sam muhamed je dao primer kada je ubio muza od Rayhana i nju silom odveo da mu bude sex robinja.

Dozvoljavao je svojoj armiji da pokupi imovinu pobijenih naroda a to ga cini pljackarosom.

Nemoj se baviti lazima, danas svak ko ima komp moze vrlo lako da proveri sve sto ja pisem a i ono sto ti lupetas.

reci ti meni marko jel tebe neki musliman naguzio kad si bio mali pa ih sada tako mrziš ili te naguzio nedavno pa si ljut na sve njih? hahahahaha
ja naprosto ne mogu shvatiti tvoju opsjednutost muslimanima. to jos nikada nigdje nisam vidio. vec si redove i redove teksta potrošio na njih i dolare potrošio na internet a nikome ništa nisi dokazao. pa ni sebi samome. prazne priče
ajde priznaj meni i ostalima na forumu gdje leži tvoj problem. tvoj pregolemi teret.

MarkoZG,

Da si Hrican znao bi da je misija koju nam je Isus dao je da pripovedamo izgubljenim slucajevima kao sto su muslimani.

KaMikaZza,

Kako ti objasnjavas da mali Izrael cija populacija je jedva 6.7 milijona svake godine proizvede vise naucnih dela nego sve islamske zemlje ukupno, od pocetka Islama pa do danas. Sa populacijom od 1.2 Bilijona Islamske zemlje bi trebale voditi svet sa naukom. Zar to tebi nekaze da samo najprimitivniji narodi sveta su prihvatili Islam i da ih Islam zatuca jos vise da se nikada nemogu izvuci iz primitivizma?
Zamisli tako mala populacija kao Izrael proizvede vise nauke za godinu dana nego sve islamske zemlje u zadnjih 14 vekova, to je zaista ogromna sramota za svakoga Muslimana i zivi dokaz da ste na pogresnom putu.

Pitate Bosnjake da li su oni Srbi, a istovremeno im i nudite odgovor??
Pitate, a vase pitanje nosi uvrjedu.
Tu vam je i odgovor, taman i da jesu, nece da budu. Sasvim normalno. Zasto bih i bili ono sto ih vrijedja, ponizava, i na kraju prijeti njihovom opstanku.

A vi, mislim, takvi kao ti Marko, Drazo, Gorane jesu bas taj razlog zasto njih ta prica boli.
Vi, ste razlog zasto i mene ta prica boli.
Vi predstavljate sve ono cega se ja stidim kod svog naroda.
Vi ste Srpska sramota.

Zasto:
- Uvjek kad vrijedjate druge vi u stvari pricate naj vise o samome sebi. Covjek koji vrijedja drugog ustvari nevoli samog sebe.
- Mi, odnosno takvi kao vi, smo otjerali Muslimane- Bosnjake od nas. Stalno nekome ponavljati da je Srbin poturica, a to znaci izdajica, los covjek, znaci kad bi i taj covjeko to i priznao, sta bi on to priznao, da je los covjek, bezvrjedan, poturica, necovjek, izdajica? A zasto? Samo zato sto je pripadnik jedne druge vjere? Necuveno i sramota.
- Ako ste vi Srbi ( ideloski) ja nisam srbin!!!! Vi i Takvi kao vi su prije 15 godina poceli odredjivati sta je to srbin i sebe, odnosno svoju ideolgiju, uzeli za mjerilo srpstva. Po vama ja nisam Srbin.
- Dok je god nacionalnost ideoloska odrednica i istorijska dogma, a ne stvar rodjenja i jezika, dokaz je psihloske patologje te nacije. ( patologija-bolest, za ne upucene).Ovo se odnosi na sve i Srbe i Bosnjake i Hrvate.

Ti Marko spominjes Hriscanstvo. Nemoj molim te!!!
Samo da te podsjetim "kako sudite drugima sudit ce se i vama"!!!
Procitaj novi zavjet.
Sramota me je i kao pravoslavnog hriscanina kad procitam ovakve komentare.
Sustina pravoslavlje jeste pronaci Boga u sebi, odnosno TO Nesto bozansko, koje jeste ljubav, koje jeste mir, koje jeste dobrota, prastanje, i molba za oprostaj. Sustina jeste to pronaci i u skladu sa tim i rasti.Do sustine ponoce Isusa Hrista.

Sustina pravoslavlja i islama uopste nisu razicite.

Kao sto rece Sveti Isak Sirin " ko vidi andjele veliki je, a onaj ko vidi sebe jos je veci"

A kako to fino pise u hadisima " ko ne postane boljim covjekom, postat ce gori".

Kao sto se vidi obadvije poruke su upucene ljdima da postanu bolji kroz spoznaju sebe i boga.

Sto se tice muslimana i nacionalnog porjekla:
meni su ponos i Mesa Selimovic, i Mehmed Pasa Sokolovic, I Omer Beg Skopljak i svi ostali. A I Emir Kusturica.

I nemojte molim vas pricati o Bogumilima. Svaka vasa rijec ih/nas vrijedja jer dolazi iz vaseg neznanja.Ovo molim sve.

Kad glupi pricaju obicno pamet zacuti.
Razlog je mog javljanja.

Molim mioju bracu Muslimane-Bosnjake da nam oproste. Zbog ovakvih kao sto su ovi, stidim se. Molim za oprost, iako nisam od tih, i za Srebrenicu i za sve ostale zlocine.
Molim vas zbog buducnosti. Jer mi jedni bez drugih nemozemo. Podjeljeno bice nemoze da zivi.Ono umire.

Ako ima istine u onome sto je jedan napisao, nesto u fazonu " mozda smo i bili srbi, ali vise nismo. i mrzimo srbe."
Nemojte barem da mrzite. Mrzeci njih mozda tako mrzite barem dio sebe. Nemojte da nas mrzite zog takvih kao marko, goran i Draza.Nismo svi takvi!!! Jer oni su izrodi, a ne vi!!!

Molim vas sve da razumijete moje pisanje ne kao vrijedjanje, nego kao poziv na razmisljanje.

Marko, Gorane i Drazo, oprostite i vi. Oprostite jer ja sam napao vas nacin razmisljanja i shvatanja svjeta, mrznju koju Vi sijete. Ne vas kao licnosti: Smatram da u svakom covjeku postoiji i nesto dobro. Razvijajte to u sebi. I da vas podsjedim na rijeci MOG Srpskog Patrijarha Pavla " Budite ljudi iako ste Srbi".

Pozivam Svoju bracu Hrvate i da oni razmisle: ipak govorite isti jezik kao mi. Da to nije slucaj vi sada nebih razumjeli moje rijeci. A ako i pored toga mislite da je drugacije i da ste iranci, il nesto drugo, dobro ostanite to, al ipak (p)ostanite ljudi.

Puno pozdrava svim dobronamjernim ljudima

Selam ili mir sa vama
Bog nam svima pomogao i dao nam snage da budemo bolji.

O kom Goranu ti pricas? Ja sam zapoceo ovu temu, i kao srbin, nisam ni u jednom trenutku vredjao bosnjake. Dobro znamo da su mnogi silom primili islam, i da je njima bilo najgore. Pozdrav za sve.

Jos nesto - Potpuno se slazem sa time sto si rekao, i moram da kazem da smo mi (srbi) najvise krivi zbog nesuglasica sa muslimanima, jer nismo hteli da ih prihvatimo kao srbe, a ko zna koliko bi nam svima bilo bolje da smo ih prihvatili. Ja moram isto tako da kazem da mi je zao zbog svega ovoga.

Za G
Tvoje pitanje:
"Da li kod vas ima muslimana koji se osecaju kao srbi? Kao, na primer, Emir Kusturica. I sta mislite o svemu ovome, uzimajuci u obzir da su bosnjaci u stvari uglavnom srbi koji su preuzeli islam? Nemam nameru da ikome namecem da je srbin, i ako smatrate da poreklom niste srbi vec neki drugi recite.
Pozdrav."

- Kazes da ne nameces, a tvrdis da su oni to u stvari.???
Kontradiktornost.
- Kad vec znas sta su, zasto ih pitas????
- Ustvari sta ti hoces svojim pitanjem??? Da ti ljudi dodju i kazu da mi smo srbi, voli nas, prihvati nas!!!??????

Covjece prihvati ljude onakve kakve jesu!!! I voli ih kao takve!!! S tim si vec mnogo ucinio i sebi i drugima.

I Procitaj svoje komentare!!!! I razmisli dobro o njima!
Bez uvrijede, ja i dalje u tome prepoznajem onaj pogubni nacin razmisljanja koji je vladao zadnjih 15 godina.

pozdrav

Covece, sta je sa tobom? Kako sam ja uvredio bosnjake? Naveo sam da su uglavnom srpskog porekla, i da ako to nije tako, kazu neki komentar, i njihovo misljenje. Nisam nametao nista.

I oni sami kazu da su srpskog i hrvatskog porekla. A ja sam ih pitao kakav im je odnos prema toj cinjenici.

Ajd' sad malo o fudbalu (nogometu)...Citao sam , citao i ... nista.Saznao sam nekoliko novih informacija izvadjenih iz konteksta svetih knjiga i skontao da smo u stvari smi mi Jevreji :) - i oni tako vatreno raspravljaju o teoloskim temama (to sam vidio na televiziji).
Koliko sam citao razne spise o istoriji nasih naroda, svi pokusavaju definisati kao, sta smo , ko smo - Srbi,Hrvati, Bosnjaci,Bogumili,Makedonci,Slovenci.Mislim da u ta "stara" vremena, ti vladari nisu se zanimali o pripadnosti nekakvoj naciji (uglavnom nisu ni postojale u smislu rasprave foruma) vec o "lovu".Neko se upisivao kao "Hrvat" (katolik), "Srbin" (pravoslavac) ili "Bosnjak" (nezavisni - bogumil) u zavisnosti od svog trenutnog biznis plana i situacije na trzistu.
Mnogi nasi "zemljaci" (neznam vise kako da nas zovem :)) ubise se da dokazu da su bolji ili pametniji od drugih - "da se intelektualno nadmecu".
Ima li neko intelektualnu ideju da se proslavimo po necem drugom a ne po divljastvu - kao na primjer Tesla, kosarkaska reprezentacija (bilo koja balkanska :)),Safet Susic, Rudjer Boskovic ili vec neznam ko (osim vladara i politicara - nisu bili dobri zato sto nismo veliki kao Nijemci,Rusi ili Francuzi) .

Nisam kriv sto mi je mati "Hrvatica" (hrvat sa jevrejkom spanskog porijekla), otac "Srbin" sa "sumljivim porijeklom" (crnogorac s njemicom) - kada bih dalje to razvijao (a i to sam radio do 4 koljena) sumljivih je bilo previse...ko zna ko je koga i zbog cega.Sta li ce biti sa nasom djecom koja zive svuda po svijetu...Mozete misliti kad neciji unuk (od "zemljaka") u Francuskoj krene "kontat" sta je on u stvari , pa nadje na internetu nase forume.Vjerujem da ce prestati da traga za svojim korjenima.

Pozdrav

P.S.

Jezik na kome sam pisao je SH ili SH-HS (promijenili na pola skolovanja).Nadam se da se razumijemo iako pravim greske (stilske i ostale)

Bosanskisrbin,

Eto konacno se pojavio i jedan iskren musliman koji je uzeo nick Bosanskisrbin.

Dali ima ijedan Musliman ovde koji nezna koju su mu slavu predci slavili? Ali molim vas zapamtite da je Muhammed rekao "priznaj istinu i kada je protiv tebe".

OCITO SVI MUSLIMANI NA OVOM FORUMU ZNAJU KOJU SU IM SLAVU PREDCI SLAVILI.

KO je emir kusturica???

Emir je Srbin Muslimanske veroispovesti, jedan od retkih iskrenih Muslimana. Ostalima su hodze isprali mozak ubedili su ih da su nesto sto nisu i da je PEDOFIL Muhammed boziji poslanik.

Emir Kusturica je izdajica muslimanskog naroda koji je za vrijeme okupacije Sarajeva pobjegao u brda i pridružio se srpskim teroristima koji su bombardirali grad i ubijali civile. Zar to radi jedan UMJETNIK? Nije on umjetnik. On je GOVNO! On je ubojica i izdajica kojeg treba što prije ZABORAVITI. Ja nisam nikada pogledao nijedan njegov film i neću. Iz principa.

long life u.s.a who bombed srbija oleeee

E pa Marko, cestitam.

Znaci ako si se silom prilika zatekao da budes kriscanin, onda si automatski pametan kao Nikola Tesla, a isto toliko si naravno svijetu i ti doprinijeo kao i on?? Nemoj zaboraviti da kad su u srednjem vijeku kriscani jeli ovce skupa s vunom, tada su arapi skontali cifru 0, realne brojeve, daleko odmakli u algebri, medicini i astronomiji. Da su daleko vise knjiga imali itd itd.. Sta im se nakon toga desilo, to ne kontam, ali sad su upali u jedan svoj sopstveni srednji vijek iz kojeg moraju isplivati. I to ce da bude, u to ne sumnjam.

Pedofilija u islamu:
U islamskim zemljama (barem im tu kapu skidam) neces naici na pedofiliju, a to se kod njih (i ako se pojavi) gadno kaznjava. Malo i previse brutalno u cisto vehabijskim zemljama. Kao uostalom i silovanje i preljuba. Dok, recimo, u jednoj naprednoj i krscanskoj Belgiji ces imati prilike da naletis na ludjaka koji je djevojcice nakon sto ihe je silovao i filmove sa njima snimao, u zemlju zive zakopavao. I zato je nagradjen - zasticen u zatvoru, dlaka mu s glave ne fali. U ostalim naprednim i krscanskim zemljama imas danas jednu dobro razgranatu pedofilsku mrezu koja ti danas "besprijekorno" fercera, moj Markane.

Amerika - islam:
Ona ti ne napada islamski svijet, ona ti napada manijake. Hitler, Staljin, Slobodan, Radovan, Ratko, Sadam, raznorazni ajatolasi, sve su to manijaci.
Oni tj fanatici bez obzira na vjeru su opasnost za cijeli svijet. Amer podjednako gleda na cetnika, ustasu i mudzahedina, u to budi siguran.

Nego, ode li ti ikako doktoru, onako kako smo se mi dogovorili?

Cigla,

Ti ocito volis da pricas iz sopstvene maste bez ikavih dokaza i podataka. Ja ti nezamerim ako zelis smisljati bajke i to je uredu ali moramo biti svesni da su u pitanju bajke.

Arapi jesu bili puno napredniji pre islama, ali od kako su prihvatili islam nesto je zakocilo Arape kao narod i nemrdaju iz sedmog veka kao i ostale islamske zemlje.

Moje misljenje je da je u pitanju zabrana za raspravu o islamu i zabrana za istrazivenje. Kada verski sitem drzi vernike u vecnom strahu od babaroge Allaha i samo odabranim objasni prave koncepte vere to stvara narod koju je lako drzati pod kontrolom ali i nedozvoljava slobodu razmisljanja. Drugim recima idealan sitem za elitu a jad za narod.

Ovo sam napisao ranije valjalo bi ti procitati da shvatis zasto su Arapi morali izmisliti nulu.


U svetu postoje dve elementalne teorije/vere Jedna tvrdi da je sve nastalo od nista, u tu veru spadaju: sve paganske vere, Islam, Komunizam ahmmm da i komunizam je vera, Humenizam i mnogi drugi izami. Po toj veri posto je sve deo “svetog aposltnog nista”, sve je deo Boga ili drugim recima bog je explodirao u universum (panteizam). Upravo zato Arapi su morali izmisliti nulu da bi objasnili Islamski concept boga. Drugim recima za Muslimana ili pagana je najbitnije da pozna sebe kao boga. To je upravo vera koja je davno pocela u Vavuloniji pod imenom vavulonske tajne. Dok razne ceremonije su postojale u tajnama za generalnu populaciju odabranima su objasnjeni simboli publicke vere I konacno bi dosli do ubedjenja da su bogovi.

Druga teorija/vera je da postoji stvoritelj koji je sve stvorio a nijedan delic sebe nije pretvrio u universum. To je upravo concept koji Biblija uci ljude i samo Jevrejska i Hricanska vera veruje u tog Boga. Milsim da svakom coveku koji ima imalo iskrenosti u sebi je jasno kada pogleda sta se zbiva na ovom svetu, da nismo bogovi a ni delici boga vec pretezno djubrad, koja nezasluzuju spasenje koje nam je Bog iz svoje milosti pruzio kroz Isusa Hrista. Posto je Bog absolutno perfektan, nema sanse da bi on explodirao, za eksploziju je potreban imbalans. Drugim recima to bi bio imperfektan bog. Da smo mi svi deo Boga, nebi bilo nepravde niti zla koji je svuda oko nas.

Ako pogledamo zivot na ovoj planeti vrlo je jasno da postoji dizajen sve ima funkciju i najprimitivnija forma zivota je jako jako komplikovana, ali nekim ljudima je veoma tesko priznati da postoji dizajener pa su pokusali razne cake da objasne kako je sve nastalo od nista. Konacno ta teorija je spala na nista. Ako covek prizna da postoji Bog, I da on nije deo Bog avec samo stvorenje to znaci da postoje i odgovornost pred tim Bogom i da nemozemo raditi sto god zelimo vec da moramo ziveti po njegovim zakonima. Dok sve paganske vere a takodje i Islam imaju svoje zakone za svakodnevne vernike oni na vrhu kao Muhammed, su upravo radili sto su zelei posto su sebe smatrali bogovima.

Matematicka sansa da se samo jedna celija ljudskog DNA stvori u roku od 14 Bilijona godina je NULA. zemlja je daleko manje stara i kroz davnu istoriju na zemlji desilo se puno puta da je veci meteor udario u zemlju sto je dovelo do usijanja i sav zivot na zemlji bi bio unisten tada. Znaci nepostoji dovoljno vremna da je zivot nastao sam od sebe.

Ogromna vecina zapanih naucnika se nasla u dilemi u zadnje vreme i sada ozbiljno gledaju u gore navedenu teoriju broj dva, posto prva je nemoguca.


Dva najveca problema sa teorijom evolucije (explodirajuceg boga).

1. Nedaje dovoljno objasnjenje za pocetak zivota od mrtvih kemikalija. Cak I najjednostavnije forme zivota su jako komplikovane.

2. (The fassil record) nepokazuje ikavu transformaciju svaka forma zivota je potpuno formirana i nema nista izmedju. Da je covek nastao od majmuna takodje nepali posto imamo kosture raznih majmuna I covecije kosture a nigde nesto izmedju coveka I majmuna.




Origin of Life: Constructing the Proteins and Nucleic Acids
Any plausible theory of the origin of life must include the formation of complicated macro-molecules like proteins, DNA and RNA. In addition, there are other necessary components of life such as lipids, carbohydrates, hormones, enzymes, etc. that must be formed and be utilized to produce life.
The syntheses of proteins from DNA is very complicated (see any biology textbook), and experiments to produce life in a test tube fall woefully short of creating life. There are a series of obstacles to the notion of life arising spontaneously from a sea of chemicals:

CHEMICAL ENVIRONMENT - Some of the necessary component chemicals react with one another is counter-productive ways. For example, phosphoric acid which would be necessary to form DNA would form an insoluble salt with calcium (calcium phosphate), sink to the bottom of a primordial sea, and be unavailable to make DNA. (Gish 1972, 23).

POLYMERIZATION - How are the polymers formed in proteins and nucleic acids? A basic problem is that monomers never become polymers unless energy is supplied - they don't spontaneously arise. Protein formation in the laboratory requires a number of deliberate steps by a chemist. Experiments with catalysts and heating of dry amino acids have not demonstrated anything close to realistic life macro-molecules. (Gish 1972, 17-23)

SEQUENCES - This detail is at the center of the origin of life problem. Assuming that there WAS a large supply of molecular building blocks, how do you get the specific sequences necessary in proteins and in DNA? Consider proteins: the sequence of amino acids determines the way the molecule will "fold up", which gives it physical properties. For a particular function, an exact sequence is required. What are the odds of this occurring by accident? The odds of forming a specific molecule with 100 amino acids is (1/20) 100 = 10e130 (the number 10 with 130 zeros following it) to 1. Forget it!

Along these lines, the famous astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle and Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe (both atheists) calculated the probability of life forming by chance in five billion years on earth. The answer is 10e40000 to 1 (a number so close to zero as to effectively be zero). They then considered the universe with 100 billion galaxies each with 100 billion stars and 20 billion years. Still no chance. Hoyle said the probability of life evolving anywhere in the universe is as likely as a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and assembling a Boeing 747!

OPTICAL ISOMERS - Amino acids are found in L-amino (left) or D-amino (right) types and are formed in equal proportions in synthesis experiments. Animals and people are made of almost exclusively L-animo types. How is this selection made? ... Still an open question.

Hmm.....

Ne bih se bas slozio s tim da su arapi skontali sve to prije islama. Evo zasto:

http://www.pbs.org/empires/islam/innoalgebra.html

Uostalom muslimanski svijet i nije bas toliko zaostao za ostalima, jedan zivopisan dokaz za sve to su turci koji su samo otprilike prije 500 godina uspjeli da sjebu gotovo citavo balkansko poluostrvo (ja im za to nisam zahvalan). Znaci da su tada bili mnogo jaci od tadasnjih balkanskih drzava u mnogim pogledima. Danasnja Turska je npr. 14-ta po redu ekonomija u svijetu, a sve manje i manje zaostaje u tehnoloskom pogledu. Bio sam i vidio. Vjerovatno ce i da se pridruzi Europskoj Uniji malo prije nekih drugih europskih zemalja, kao npr. Srbije. Osim nje, tu imas i jednu Maleziju, Singapur i neke druge zemlje koje bas i nisu divlje ) Pakistan danas ima nuklearno oruzje, Iran je na putu .....

Marko, sta si po zanimanju i koji ti je najveci hobi, ali iskreno (ako smijem znati bez da zadirem u licni integritet)?

hehe, po zanimanju je polovan cetnik, a najveci hobi mu je serendanje po raznoraznim forumima A uz to jos uvijek nece da ide doktoru da se lijeci

Anonymous,

Ako ti kazem sta sam po zanimanju onda ces reci da lazem, pa je bolje da nekazem nista. Sto se tice hobija volim mnoge stvari od zezanja po brdima sa Dzipom do veronauke.

Nekazem da Islamski svet nije bas nista doprineo svetu, vec da sa obzirom na ogromnu populaciju doprineo je jako malo. Izrael godisnje doprinese vise nego sav islamski svet u zadnjih 14 vekova, sa jako malom populacijom.

Ja bih rekao da je uzrok tome sto Jevreji otvreno i zestoko raspravljau o svojoj veri i to ostri mozak a islam zabranjuje svu raspravu i istragu. Musliman mora prihvatiti zdravo za gotovo sve sto mu je receno cak i kada je protiv svih podataka i logike, inace je proglasen nevernikom. Sve Islamske drzave zajedno prevedu isti borj knjiga godisnje kao i Grcka, to ocito kaze da vodje Islama nezele da im se narod prosveti. Lakse je drzati neprosvecen narod pod kontrolom/diktaturom. Sve islamske zemlje su manje vise pod diktaturom, a diktatura nikada nevodi ka razvoju kulturnog drustva.

Turska jeste bila vojna sila kada su brojkevi znacili nesto danas kada mozes pritisnuti dugme i pobiti milijone to vise nema puno znacenja. Turska je unazadila i ugrozila svaku zemlju gde je vladala. Ne samo sa pljackom vec i sa primitivnim mentalitetom.

Cigla,

Zasto svi primitvniji ljudi uvek krenu u personalni napad, kada nisu u stanju da logicnim putem dokazu svoj stav?

Promenio sam nick posto vidim da ima jos neko sa nickom Marko na ovom forumu.

Ti si brate najveci govnar bez obzira kakav ti je nick.Najpametnij bi ti bilo da naz zajebes sa tim tvojim sranjima i da odes sa foruma. Idi vozaj se po brdima sa tvojim dzipom i prosipaj sranja Amerima

Marko-Zorane zašto nisi došao ratovati sa svojim srbima ako smatraš da su urgoženi bili nego si se skrivao u dalekoj USA. Mnogi Hrvati su došli branit svoju zemlju iz širokog svijeta. srbi ne. time dokazuju kave su ustvari kukavice. kukavice poput tebe. dok su tvoja braća ginula ti si se zajebavao đipom po brdima. pohvalno nema šta!

Markane, imenjace koji si ti debil!
Izvini sto ne mogu ovo zadrzati u sebi!
Veca si drtina od bilo kojeg muslimana!
Pusti ljude da zive i da se nazivaju kako hoce!
Slazem se sa BosanskimSrbinom, ali brate u cije ime se ti izvinjavas?!
I sta se ti imas nekom izvinjavat, jesil ti licno nekom zlo nanio ili pomislio?!
Onaj ko je spreman da prizna istinu bilo kakva da je, taj je ucinio veliki iskorak na Balkanu, otvorio svoj um, i moze neke druge stvari dublje da vidi!

Slaven,

Posto vidim da si ti jako pametan i logican, da ja tebe pitam nesto. Dali smatras da je:

1. Radovan Karadzic Zlocinac?

2. Dali smatras da je Muhammed bio zlocinac?

Molim te objasni dali koristis isti standard prsude za obojicu, i kako si dosao do tvoga odgovora?

Marko opozicija,

Samo najgori primitivci okrenu dskusiju u personalni napad, veruj i za tebe je moguce da stignes do nekoga nivoa covecanstva i da diskutujes inteligento, ako se zaista potrudis. Znam nece ti ici lako ali teoretski je moguce.

Slaven,

Mozes takodje dodati i Pavelica.

Odgovor Marku Opoziciji

Zasto sam u ODGOVORU napisao ivinjenje?

Bio je to sasvim spontani akt poslje citanja potsinga na ovom forumu.
U nase ime su pocinjeni zlocini. U nase ime sam se izvinuo.I najvise zbog toga sto se na ovom furumu pise i cita mrznjom.
Jednostavno zelim da posredujem i jednu drugu sliku o nama. Iako nisam covjek koji razmislja kolektivno, vecinaljudi sa naseg prostora ipak ima tu kolektivnu svjest. Znaci, ne zelim da marko i njemu slicni budu jedini predstavnici mog naroda.
Ako se covjek ponosi sa onim dobrim stranama istorije svoga naroda, iako u njima nije ucestvovao, onda je malo licemjerno da ne preuzme odgovornost i za one tamne, iako i u njima nije ucestvovao.

Svako treba da cisti u svome dvoristu.

Bosanskisrbin,

Prvo da si Srbin pisao bi Srbin sa velikim S. Tvoje lupetanje je cisto iz dzamije stiglo gde te je hodza ocajno prevario i ubedio da si nesto sto nisi a i ti mu pomazes sto i dalje lazes samoga sebe.

Pocetkom drugog svetskog rata, Muslimanske vodje su izjavili Hiltelu u pismu da poticu od Got plemena, cisto germanski narod. Ovoga puta Muslimani su "Bogomili" a u stvari samo ste jadni poturceni Srbi, koje ni Turci nisu priznavali. Zato su vam dali ime "BALIJA". Pogledaj znacenje te turske reci, odnosi se na najgoru vrstu muslimana.

Izdali ste svoj narod, Izdali ste istinitog Boga i prihvatili paganskog boga meseca i plodnosti. Sad ako izdaja nije dovoljna nikada niste promasili sansu da prospete sto vise Srpske krvi, kao sto ste sa Hrvatima radili po Jasenovcu i u logoru za Srpsku decu u Gradiskoj. Po svakom forumu sirite cistu propagandu, dok jaucete za Srebrenicu na sav glas niko ni da prizna Jasenovac.

Dok krivite Radovana Karadzica kao ratnog zlocinca nijedan od vas nema M_____ da prizna da je Muhammed bio zlocinac koji je ubio najmanje 1000 ljudi za svakoga kojega je Radovan ubio navodno.

KOJI VI TO STANDARD ZA PRESUDU KORISTITE?

Ortodoksna glupost da islamski svet nista nije doprineo svetu!
Arapi su dali ogroman doprinos u nauci, pre svega, matematici i medicini, i muzici (gitara svakako nije evropski instrument). U vreme kada su Arapi postavljali temelje spanske (a time i evropske) kulture, Evropa je bila zaludjena katolickim propovedima.
Turci su bili i ostali primitivci najgore klase, inace oni su narod mongoloidnog porekla (zuta rasa) kao i Madjari (verujte mi, ovo nije izvala) i dosli su iz nizija srednje Azije gde su samo naucili da kolju. Zeleli su da osvoje celu Evropu, a kad su dosli pod Bec, shvatili su da nisu dosli ni do pola i tu su pukli.
Ja sam Srbin i mislim da Bosnjaci/Bosanci/Muslimani poticu od Srba, medjutim, ne vidim nista uvredljivo u tome ni za jedne ni za druge. Da li su Nemci, Englezi, Svedjani, Norvezani... gamad zato sto su promenili svoju veru?
Uostalom, u ovom trenutku, pripadamo onom narodu cijim se potomkom osecamo, nacionalnost nam niko ne moze nametnuti (mada ce se za 50-ak godina narodnost odredjivati preko DNK) a iznad svega, poslo svega sto se izdesavalo, ispada da je nacionalno osecanje, tvorevina Francuske revolucije, najveca glupost koja opstaje i siri se.
I ne shvatam, zasto mnogi karakterisu narod na osnovu nekolicine pojedinaca. U redu, to je moglo da se radi negde pre 5000 godina ali danas NE POSTOJE ciste rase (sem nekih papuanskih, separiranih od sveta).

I dajte ljudi, zauzdajte malo tastature, izbrojte do dvadeset pre nego sto napisete poruku.

Anonymous,

Ja nisam rekao da Islamski svet nije doprineo bas nista, vec grozno malo sa obzirom na ogrmnu populaciju.

Da bi objasnili svoj paganski koncept boga, Muslimani su morali izmisliti nulu to je istina. Iako mnogi muslimani na nizim nivoima nisu toga svesni, vodje islama veruju da je "absolutno sveto nista" explodiralo u universum i da je zato sve deo boga. Upravo zato tvrde da je najbitnije sto covek moze uciniti da prepozna sebe kao boga. Ta teorija/vera je postojala davno pre islama svi pagani veruju u to (panteizam), a to potice od Vavulonskih tajni. Hricani i Jevreji su oduvek verovali u Boga koji je stvrio universum a nije ni jedan delic sebe u universum pretvrio. Ocito bog islama Allah / Hubal nije Bog Biblije. Allah/Hubal je u stvari bog meseca i plodnosti stare Arabije i Vavulonije, Zato pored dzamije stoji toranj u obliku muskog uda (simbol plodnosti) a mlad mesec je poznat simbol Islama. Tornjevi i mlad mesec su bili i Hubalovi simboli.

Da je Spanija bila napredna za vreme Turaka je istina ali moramo pogledati zasto. U sapniji tada je bila ogromna Jevrejska populacija, i Jevreji su postigli ugovor sa Turcima. Spanija je bila jedina zemlja u kojoj su turci vladali gde je narod imao slobodu. Spanija je tada postala magnet za intelektualce i naravno bilo je i uspeha po pitanju nauke. To ti je jedini primer u zadnjih 14 vekova gde je bilo uspeha gde je Islam vladao a uzrok nije islam vec Jevreji i Hricani koji su imali slobodu.

Sva naucna dela islama u zadnjih 14 vekova Izrael prevazidje svke godine sa malckom populacijom od samo 6.7 milijona. Sa obzirom da Islamski svet ima populaciju od 1.2 Bilijona mislim da je jasno da islam nedozvoljava svom narodu da napreduje. Vodje Islama nezle ljude koji razmisljanu sami za sebe vec samo papagaje koji ponavljau sta im je receno. Islam nedozvoljava svojim vernicima da istrazuju veru niti da raspravljau o veri. Ako bi ijedan Musliman iskreno pogledao istorijske podatke jasno bi mu bilo da Muhammed nije imao veze sa Bogom i da su ih grozno uvalili, upravo zato rasprava i istraga je zabranjena.

Slazem se da nije uvreda reci istinu da su Bosanski Muslimani poturceni Srbi to je cinjenica. Nazlost iako veci deo Bosanskih muslimana su svesni toga, oni to nesmeju nikada priznati i moraju sami sebe lagati. Kada islam uvuce nekoga u veru provo mu uzmu identitet i daju mu novi. Svaki musliman je deo jedne islamske nacije. Da Islam nije samo vera vec i nacija ciji cilj je da osvoji svet. Pre nego sto mozes dovesti coveka da ubija svoj narod od kojega je potekao moras ga prvo ubediti da je on nesto drugo a to Islam radi gde god zavlada. Upravo zato Bosanski Muslimani su blizi turcima i Arapima nego Srbima iako su smao poturceni Srbi.

Marko,

Spanijom nikad nisu vladali Turci, vec Arapi.
Zar mislis da bi bilo drugacije (da ne bi zaglupljivala narod) kada bi na vlast negde u Evropi dosla crkva? Srecom do toga ne moze da dodje jer iz svog bogatog iskustva sa inkvizicijom, Evropljani znaju sta to znaci. Dovoljno je znati da Vizantiju nisu unistili Turci (oni su je dokrajcili) vec krstasi (vodjeni rimskim papom).
Jevreji su svuda gde su ziveli, bili vodeci u nauci i umetnosti i u drugim granama zivota. Svakao su narod za respekt i ugled, i Srbi bi od njih mnogo mogli da nauce. Medjutim, iako nisam podrobno proucavao spansku istoriju, znam sigurno da bar arhitektonska dostignuca srednjovekovne Spanije nisu zasluga Jevreja vec Arapa (Mavara). A oni su, ma ko ih kasnije koristio, donosili i sirili znanja iz matematike i medicine, i svi znacajni matematicari, astronomi i fizicari, posle starogrckih, pa sve do Dekarta, su listom bili Arapi.
A cak i da su Jevreji bili okosnica spanskog razvoja, katolicka crkva im se dostojno oduzila (kada su 1492. svi proterani ili spaljeni).

Tol'ko zasad...

Marko,

Iako se bojim da je svako obracanje tebi uzaludno ( oprosti mi ako grijesim) cisto da ti pojasnim. Ne toliko radi tebe koliko radi drugih.
Bosanskisrbin, je imanica kojom se nazivam. Znaci ime mi je na forumu. Ucio sam i naucio da se imenice pisu velikim slovom. Cisto zbog toga.
Da sam se nazvao Bosanski Srbin , pisalo bi obadvoje velikim. Zasto nisam?
Zato sto mi ti prije nisi skrenuo na to paznju:)).
Uostalom, kad dovodis moj identitet u pitanje, samo zato sto ja nepisem po tebi "srpski", u smislu dobrog srbina, hajde da se posluzim tvojom logikom i da je razmislim ovako:
- mozda ti nisi Srbin. Mozda si ti neko sasvim drugi, koji zeli da siri mrznju prema drugima u ime srba. I na taj nacin stvaras mrznju drugih prema nama. Stvaras i povecavas. Kao sto ces i ti i svi ostali koji procitaju zakljuciti ima i to neke logike. mozda cak vise nego tvoji argumenti kad osporavas moj identitet.

Ja zastupam i vjerujem da covjeka ne odredjeje njegovo porijeklo nego ono sto on radi. Ono sto je u njegovom srcu. Stoga je sasvim nebitno kako ti je ime i kako se zoves i koje si "nacionalnosti".

Anonymous,

Mislio sam za vreme Otomanskog carstva a Arapi su imali moc samo kada su Turci vladali.

Sto se tice Jevreja istina je ma koliko pojedini ih mrzeli (Hrvati i Muslimani specificno), jesu primer covecanstvu i od njih imamo mnogo da naucimo. Sto se Arapa tice trebao bi se setiti da najvecu biblioteku sveta u Aleksandriji su Arapi spalili kada je islam tamo zavladao i sa tim cinom unisten je ogroman deo znanja koje je svet tada posedovao. U Spaniji Muslimani jesu uzimalai kredit za naucna dela drugih ali posto nisu nastavili to dokazuje da sami nemogu skoro nista postici. Izrael sa populacijom od samo 6.7 Milijona proizvede vise naucnih dala za godinu dana nego sav islamski svet u zadnjih 14 vekova sa populacijom od 1.2 Bilijona. Jedini uzrok tome je islamska umna diktatura koja nedozvoljava coveku slobodu razmisljanja.

Da je Katolicka crkva ucinila ogromna zla i to je istina ali moras razdvojiti ono sto Biblija uci ljude i ono sto su ljudi/popovi/politicari radili. Nigde u Bibliji necas naci opravdanje za zlocine kao sto mozes naci lako u Kur'an. Hricanstvo nezavisi od dela onih koji sebe nazivaju Hricanima vec od onoga sto je Isus ucinio. Nepostoji nijedan Hrican koji je perfektan upravo zato nam je potrban spasitelj jel nismo u stanju odrzati Bozije zapovesti perfektno.

Sto se istocne crkve tice uvek je bila i ostala pod ogromnim pritiskom i cudo je da je uopste opstala. Kada je rimska crkva pocela krstaske ratove i provocirala turke sa tim cinom lapo se u stilu Vavulonske kurve izvukla i ostavila istocnu crkvu da plati ceh iako istocna crkva nije to pocela.
Za celeo vreme otamanskog carstva zapadna Evropa/Vatikan nije ni prst digla da pomngne. Ako pogledas mapu i obelezis zemlje u kojima je Istocna crkva pretezno bice ti jsano to su zemlje u kojima je diktatura vladala a crkva se borila za ospstanak vec vekovima. Rusi su jos uvek robovi u svojoj drzavi, jedino rusi od svih naroda nemogu dobiti pasose. Nemoj pogresno shvatiti imas ljudi iz Rusije koji dobijau pasose ali to su Jevreji i drugi narodi ali za obicnog rusa je to skoro nemoguce.

Za vreme "druga tita" Mnogi pravoslavni popovi su zavrsili na Golom Otoku ili u CZ dok se to nije desilo nijednom katolickom popu. Upitaj se zasto? Negovorim o nekim politicki nastrojenim popovima vec samo o ljudima koji su pripovedali celo sveto pismo.

Bosanskisrbin,

Kako je moguce praviti ili siriti mrznju sa istinom? Sve sto sam naveo o Islamu je zabelezeno u Kur'an i Hadfitima a to su Muslimani pisali ne ja.

To je tipicna Islamska taktika kada niste sposbni dati logican odgovr za grozote Islama onda krenete u personalni napad ili tvrdite da onaj koji izjavljuje istinu to radi u ime mrznje. Kur'an i Haditi su knjige mrznje koje uce ljude da mrze sve ljude drugih vera. Nigde u Svetom Pismu neces naci Da je Isus izjavio da moramo ubijati ljude drugih vera dok u Kur'an i Haditima toga imas bas puno.

Zasto onda kada ja citiram kuran i Hadite po tvom shvatanju ja sirim mrznju? Kako je moguce sa citiranjem Kur'an i Hadita da ja sirim mrznju a oni koji veruju u te zlocinacke knjige nesire?

AJDE BOLAN RECI TI MENI KAVU LOGIKU TI KORISTIS?

ZASTO JE RADOVAN KARADZIC ZLOCINAC A MUHAMMED KOJI JE POBIO HILJADE PUTA VISE LJUDI NIJE?

Ja nemrzim ljude bilo koje vere da su a sve moje izjave sluze samo kao pokusaj da pojedinim zatucanim ljudima otvore oci. Mozes reci da sam provokativan sa mojim izjavama i to je istina, ali da bi naterao ljude da razmisle nekada moras biti provokativan.

ISUS NAS JE UCIO "VOLI SVOGA KOMSIJU KAO SAMOGA SEBE" MUHAMMED JE USAO U MEKU I POBIO SVE SOVJE KOMSIJE.

Po tvom svhatanju posto ja verujem u Isove reci i pokusavam ljudima pokazati istinu ja nevaljam a neko ko veruje da je Muhammed sveti covek i uzima njegov rpimer vlja. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm zar je mrznja reci istinu?

Poslusaj ovu Marko, naginje na tvoj karakter:

Cigla,

Moj karakter zahteva da koristin isti standard presude za svakoga, dok tvoj opravdava Muhammedove zlocine od pedofilije do masovnih ubistva.

Kako god okrenes moj standard je ravnopravan a tvoj nije.

Jesus as Bastard

There is evidence in the Gospels that there was a cloud over Jesus' birth. The idea of supernatural impregnation by the Holy Spirit of Mary makes a good myth, but for the rational person it is only myth when confronted with the reality of the biology of conception. Even with the best efforts of the church to impose this belief on the faithful, a Renaissance artist expressed his disbelief by painting the Annunciation with a large funnel in the clouds, its long tapered end reaching earth and disappearing under Mary's dress.

The Gospel of Matthew states that Joseph was preparing to divorce a pregnant Mary, to whom he was betrothed but with whom he had not consummated the marriage (Matthew 1: 18-25). It is to be noted that at this time in Judaism a betrothed couple was considered married even though they lived in their own parents' houses, had no sexual contact, and no marriage ceremony had been performed. Thus, if Joseph believed Mary was pregnant by another man the only way he could end the betrothal was to divorce her. It is quite clear in Matthew that Joseph had no doubt that Mary was pregnant by another man, the child within her was not his, and that under Jewish law the child to be born was a bastard.

One may ask, if Joseph truly loved Mary, why didn't he just marry her and claim the child to be his? The answer to that question is the real reason for Joseph's intended divorce. A "mamzer," or bastard, and any descendants of that bastard to the tenth generation would be prohibited from becoming part of the Jewish community (Deuteronomy 23:2). This meant that a bastard, male or female, and all of that bastard's progeny for ten generations could never marry a Jew or become a part of the Jewish community.

In the Gospel of John the Pharisees ask Jesus, "Where is your father?" (John 8:19). Many scholars believe that this is a question regarding Jesus' paternity. If Jesus were a bastard, anything he said or did could easily be discredited and would not be believed because he would not have been a part of the Jewish community. Not only he but his very words and deeds would be illegitimate. However, other scholars caution that not too much attention be placed on this verse or its presumed historicity. This is because John often uses the literary technique of making a theological proclamation in which he creates situations and statements rather than reports them.

Almost from its very beginning Christianity placed emphasis upon the miraculous impregnation of Mary and little attention was given to his paternity. It was assumed by Christians, despite the belief at that time that many important men were the offspring of supernatural impregnation, that Jesus' case was different because of the Immaculate Conception; that is, Mary had been conceived without sin so that she could give birth not only to a man but to God. Does this sound like science fiction? It does to liberal scholars, who believe that if the statement in Matthew has any credibility, Jesus was a bastard.

To put this into perspective, prior to Christianity bastardy was considered to be "de rigueur" in all cultures of the Ancient Near East except for the Hebrews. In fact, Strabo writes of Amazon-like cultures where females were dominant, men played the traditional female role and were restricted from owning property or going to war, and children were raised communally without regard to paternity. Thus the pejorative designation ascribed to bastards crept into Christianity via its Jewish roots.

The theological advent of the supernatural impregnation of Mary made it absolutely necessary for Christianity to make a distinction between the conception of Jesus as bastard from that of common bastards. The ability of Christianity to define and regulate all aspects of society as it spread across Europe over the centuries mandated and legitimized the treatment of bastards as people to be avoided, scorned, shamed, and disenfranchised by all social and legal institutions.

It is interesting to speculate what the place and role of bastards would have been in the history of the Western world had Christianity acknowledged and celebrated Jesus' bastardy. Perhaps not only would bastardy have become the preferred and time-honored model of creating families, but bastards would have been the leaders and benefactors of Western culture.


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John W. Sweeley is a member of the clergy of the Catholic Apostolic Church of Antioch-Malabar Rite and an adoptee rights activist. He is currently working on a book titled "Adoption: The Case for Open Records" to be published by University Press of America in Fall 2001. His web site is http://communities.msn.com/sweeleysjesusmanormyth


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Trazia si, ETO ti ga

Dali ti pravis raliku izmedju istinith istorijskih podataka i necijeg lupetanja da bi prodao knjigu?


Evo sta je zabelezio istoricar koji je ziveo u Isusovom vremnu.

Do the Christian gospels record actual events during the First Century A.D./ C.E., or are they the ecstatic visions of a small religious group?

There are no surviving Roman records of the First Century that refer to, nor are there any Jewish records that support the accounts in the Christian gospels --- except one.

In Rome, in the year 93, Josephus published his lengthy history of the Jews. While discussing the period in which the Jews of Judaea were governed by the Roman procurator Pontius Pilate, Josephus included the following account:


About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.
- Jewish Antiquities, 18.3.3 §63
(Based on the translation of Louis H. Feldman, The Loeb Classical Library.)

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marku je proradila turska krv pa je poceo i kurán da cita...neka sine bices ti dobar musliman....moj odgovor na pitanje,mozda muslimani i jesu bili srbi,mozda su bili i bogumili no to sada nije ni vazno,vazno je to ako su vec bili srbi zasto se onda stide reci sigurno ne zato sto su srbi nebeski narod ili zato sto srbi ne priznaju pravoslavnu crkvu vec je nazivaju srpskom...srbi se dobro trebaju zapitati zasto ti poturceni srbi se stide reci da su nekad bili srbi...sto se tice markovog sranja oko iraka,de mi molimte reci sta su to amerikanci tamo ucinili oni jos uvijek ginu a koliko se ja razumijem u ratove DOK TI VOJNICI GINU RAT NIJE GOTOV...

evo jos argumenata:
izvori su isti kao i tvoji:
Problems I See With Christianity
I can not deny that Christianity has had a great influence on the Western world, and on the development of our civilization. Many people have had personal experiences that have changed their lives, and much good has been done in the name of God. Unfortunately, I don't believe that Christianity is true.

Why do I believe such an absurd thing? That's a question that has caused me to write this document, in an effort to coalesce my thoughts on the matter. There are several problems that I have with Christianity, and the points below are examples of my thoughts on them.


The overwhelming problem that atheists have with religion is that they do not believe in the supernatural. If one does not believe in the spiritual realm, how can one believe in a supernatural god? I personally have not found good evidence to believe that such a realm exists.
The Bible is not literally perfect. It contains many internal contradictions and inaccuracies (see my contradictions page), and was written over the course of centuries by different authors with different aims. In other words, the origins of the Bible are thought to be much more ordinary than holy. Why, for example, is there argument over which books should be included? Doesn't that cast doubt on the validity of the accepted books? A good book detailing the current state of Biblical scholarship is Who Wrote the Bible? by Richard Elliott Friedman.
If we accept that there are small errors in the Bible caused by errors by the writers and copyists, then we must address the morality portrayed in it (see my morality page). I find it difficult to accept a religion that does not condemn slavery (1 Peter 2:18-21), gives rules for warfare (Deuteronomy 21:10-14), commands its followers to kill people who try to turn them from God (Deuteronomy 13:10), and consistently considers women as being worth less than men (Ephesians 5:22-24). For that matter, why should all women be forbidden to speak in church (and suffer in other ways) because Eve sinned? (1 Timothy 2:11-14)
I acknowledge that by and large the Bible does agree with itself, but I wonder if the council of Nicaea would have included a book that disagreed with the rest of the Bible or Christian theology. In other words, if I fill a bowl with only red M&M's, it would seem pretty obvious to me that the M&M's in the bowl would be consistently red.
I find it hard to accept a religion that banishes people of all other religions to Hell, even the ones who have never heard of Christianity or children who can't understand the concept of salvation. I also find it hard to believe that God's chosen people, largely Jewish, are going to Hell for not believing in Jesus.
Christianity seems to me to have the same sort of origins as other religions, which would imply that it holds no special status among possible explanations of god. Examples of this:
Christianity has evolved over the years. I'm finding it difficult to find Biblical references to some traditional Christian ideas, such as the Trinity, the holy nature of the Virgin Mary, the concept of Hell as a place of eternal damnation, and Satan. An example is the way that God has changed from a fearful being that causes plagues and destroys cities (Old Testament) into a loving benefactor (New Testament).
Other cultures (some predating Christianity) have similarities with Christianity, such as worship of a cross, flood stories, trinitarian worship, and saviors born of virgins. This makes me suspect that Christianity is an amalgamation of pagan influences. An example of this is that Genesis depicts the snake, a pagan symbol of immortality, and an apple, which makes a pagan star when cut crosswise.

As an example, Osiris, the Egyptian god of the underworld, was born of a virgin and was killed by a rival god Seth, who chopped his body into pieces. His body was then re-formed by Isis, and he was brought back from the dead.

Mithras (or Mithra) was the Persian sun god. He was born of a virgin on the 25th of December, and his worshipers practiced baptism, confirmation, and a supper at which they would partake of their god through eating bread and wine. "Like Christians, the Mithraists believed that their savior had descended from heaven to earth; had shared a last supper with 12 followers; had redeemed mankind from sin by shedding blood; and had risen from the dead. They even baptized their converts [though in bull's blood] to wash away past sins." (Quest for the Past)

"Like many other such deities Tammuz...had been born of a virgin, died with a wound in his side and, after three days, rose from his tomb, leaving it vacant with the rock at the entrance rolled aside....It is significant that Bethlehem was not only David's city, but also the ancient center of a Tammuz cult, with a shrine that remained active will into biblical times." (Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy)

Hinduism has the trinity of "Tri-murti" consisting of Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva. They are worshiped as one god.

People do not follow every commandment that God gave to the Israelites, such as not eating pork, not working on the Sabbath, not divorcing (New Testament), and not wearing clothes woven of two materials. This makes me wonder by what right we can decide which commandments are not to be followed. I believe what has really happened is that the concept of Christianity has changed to fit the beliefs of the people who practice it.
Most Christians I have met have ignore issues that are raised that they can't explain. This implies that Christianity must be viewed as perfect, and that no unexplained or inconsistent areas can be allowed. Typical responses are that one can not know the mind of God, or that one can not reach God using the mind alone. People seem unwilling to address the inconsistencies in Christianity that have resulted from its evolution over the centuries. In other words, most devout Christians change the subject when they are forced to experience cognitive dissonance resulting from the conflicting assertions of their religion.
I wonder if people of other religions have "personal experiences" that change their lives. This would make me wonder who they are having their experiences with, if their god does not exist. From the Naseem e Dawat, by the Islamic thinker Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad:

Our Ever Living and All Sustaining God talks to me like one person to another. I ask Him something and supplicate Him and He answers in words full of power. If this should happen a thousand times, He does not fail to answer. In His words, He discloses wonderful hidden matters and displays scenes of extraordinary powers till He makes it clear that He alone is the One Who should be called God. He accepts prayers and intimates their acceptance. He resolves great difficulties and through repeated supplications, revives those who are sick unto death. He discloses all these designs in advance through His word which relate to future events. He proves that He is the God of heaven and earth. (p. 82)
"The resurrection is not an 'established historical fact.' To begin with, there were no eyewitnesses to Jesus' alleged resurrection. Second, there is nothing outside of the New Testament that documents a resurrection. Third, the New Testament itself is unreliable because of a plague of contradictions. Fourth, miracles outside of the New Testament, which Christians do not believe, are better documented than the miracles of the New Testament itself. Fifth, there was a lack of contemporary belief in Jesus' resurrection. Sixth, historical evidence suggests that the Christian belief in resurrection was at least partially borrowed from earlier pagan religions. Seventh, the kind of rigorous evidence needed to really prove that Jesus rose from the dead is lacking. 'Not because of the insufficiency of the evidence but in spite of the sufficiency do men still' believe in the resurrection." (from The Resurrection: Hoax or History?)
I would add to this the following points:

That the Biblical evidence for the resurrection is mostly hearsay. We don't have the accounts of the women who went to the tomb, and most Biblical scholars agree that Matthew and John were not written by the people to whom they are traditionally attributed. The Book of Mormon has the signed statement of several people who say they saw Joseph Smith translating the golden plates, and yet this is dismissed by Christians even though it is the testimony of eyewitnesses.
We must consider the purpose of the authors of the narratives. Some of Paul's work was to preach to nonbelievers, and many early Christian writings were aimed to defend the account of Jesus' life. I don't think the authors would have lied in order to further their case, but I do think that their writings may have been affected by their faith.
The resurrection is a miracle, and I have not encountered any solid evidence for miracles in my lifetime. I don't believe that every hypothesis about the actual occurrences of Jesus' death has merit, but I tend to agree with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle that "When you have eliminated the impossible, what ever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
The many contradictions in the resurrection accounts cause me to doubt their historicity. I don't expect the accounts to be inerrant, but the gospels show a larger number of discrepancies in the resurrection accounts than in the other narratives in Jesus' story.
There seems to be a contradiction between God's omniscience and the idea of free will. If God knew the future of man, he would have known that the creature he was making was going to sin. In other words, if God knows what we're going to do, how can we do anything other than that which he has foreseen?
Omniscience raises some questions about the nature of God: If God foresaw Eve's mistake, why didn't he put a guard around the tree before she had the chance to eat of the fruit? If he sees everything, did he not see the snake tempting them? If he really wanted to have Adam and Eve with him forever in paradise, why didn't he stop the snake?

If God created everything, then why did he create evil? If he didn't create evil, then he must not be omnipotent. If he is the ultimate origin of evil, then he either isn't as good as we think, or is powerless to stop it.
If God did not create evil, then there must be a more powerful "Meta-God" that did create it.

How do we know that the Christian God is the true god? What if the true God is Allah? What if the true God has not yet been found by man, and the personal experiences we feel are misinterpretations of the true God's message? Thousands of religions have come and gone, and yet Christianity proports to be the religion (just as all the other religions do). I have not heard a sound argument as to why Christianity is right, and the other religions are wrong. How do we know that all religions, including Christianity are wrong, and that Christians have been misinterpreting messages from the true but thus far unknown God?
Christian beliefs have been shown to be wrong in the past, such as the flatness of the earth and the geocentric nature of the universe. These mistakes would seem to indicate that the Christian faith has been in error, and might be in the future as well. God has been pushed back by science in the past, and I see no reason why this would change in the future, until God's domain finally becomes that of the unknowable.
I've never seen a miracle of God that can not be explained through the work of humans or chance. Typical miracles are on the order of receiving aid from others when one is in need, the healing of a disease, turning one's life around, or raising enough money for a church. God certainly isn't destroying cities or stopping the sun like he is described as doing in the Old Testament. Emily Dickinson said "They say God is everywhere, and yet we always think of Him as somewhat of a recluse."
One of the Christian tenets is that we hold a special place in the universe. But I have not heard of a difference between humans and animals that can not be attributed to our higher intelligence. How do we know that God didn't create the universe for the dolphins, and that we were the byproduct, and in our egotism have constructed a God that is interested in us?
The Gazzaniggia split brain experiments and other psychological studies have shown that people's personalities and cognitive functions are a result of the chemical and physical makeup of their brains. Doctors can evoke a "religious experience" by delivering electricity to a certain point in the brain. What is the soul, where is it located, and what does it do?

For that matter, how do we know the Christian God is not completely the misguided construction of the human race? Early religions used gods to explain nature. How is this different from using God to explain creation? Is it just a coincidence that religions explain the world and give hope to the hopeless?
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prinzeugen,

Da su bosanski Muslimani poturceni srbi to je cinjenica i svak ko ima i gram iskrenosti i ko je proucio situaciju mora to priznati. I dan danas vecina bosanskih muslimana je svesna koju su im slavu predci slavili ali to moraju da kriju da bi bili "dobri Muslimani", drugim recima mojau lagati sami sebe.

Istina je da nije bas toliko bitno dali su bili Srbi ili Bogomili u stvari mali deo poturcenih Srba/bosankih Muslimana jest potekao od Bogomila ali jako mali deo. Sa obzirom da su Bogomili nastali od istog Slovenskog naroda to se opet svodi na isto.

Bitnije je da covek ima iskrenosti u sebi i kada vidi iz Muslimanskih podataka da je Muhammed bio: pedofil, pljackaros, masovni ubica, da je uzeo zenu svoga sina, i da je u Kur'an zabelezio greske, da covek onda ukljuci mozak i da nazove zlocinca zlocincem. Abserdno je da Muslimani rado nazivaju Karadzica zlocincem za samo mali delic onoga sto je Muhammed radio a njega smatraju bozijim poslanikom. Kada se suoce sa greskama u Kur,an cak i matematickim greskama umseto da shvate da to nije od Boga predju u personalni napad i nastave da ignosrisu realne podatke.

Hodze su pazljivo ugradili u islamski mentalitet nemoc da priznaju da su pogresili pa nastavljau da urlicu allah allah protiv svih realnih dkaza.

Prije dolaska Turaka su srbi ista sranja pravili prema Bosnjacima kao sto prave i dan danas, pa su Turci u neku ruku dosli kao spasioci Bosnjacima. Zato su Bosnjaci preuzeli Islam. A Islam, kao sto znamo je daleko moralnija i bolja religija od vlascanstva, jer se ocito ne bazira na kopiletu u glavnoj ulozi, okocenom od strane droce Mare koja je da obraz opere na najgori moguci nacin pocela da lupa da je zatrudnila bez kurca. Mi svi realni ljudi na kugli zemaljskoj znamo da treba neko da te opali, elem osjemeni da bi zatrudnio. Jedino eto - ta mara ko fol nije Jebana je ona Markic, karana, i to onim osunnecenim, a i samo Kopile je bilo osunneceno, to bar nije nikakva tajna.

Nego, ne rece ti meni kako ti smatras da je ona bila jebana od stranne Veselog Zagondzije kad su pravili Jeez-a? Sta mislis, jel' probala anal? Mora da je, ako je iole bila droca koja je nastojala da opravda svoju hairli reputaciju, morala je i to da praktikuje.

Ama, sad mi nije vise uopste zao ni jednog vlaha sto sam ga ko divljac odstrijelio za rata, a jednog se najmilije sjecam. Brucos neki u uniformi koja mu i nije bas najbolje stajala.. Sta ces, kreno i on da nas opkoljava, sick.. Trefio ga kroz grlo, a iz grla mu mlaz pisti ko ne budi primijenjeno. On pao, izbekacio okice, zijeva li zijeva. Drzi se za grlo a drhti ko prut i da sega bude veca - prdi jadnik, nemere se skoncentrisat da krepa ko coek U stvari bilo mi ga je zao dugo poslije rata, ali ovaj forum me opet vratio u realnost i to prije svega zahvaljujuci tebi. E fala ti Marko sto me ponovo uputi na pravi put, aferim!

Anonymous,

Kazes da su izvori isti kao i moji i onda mi kopiras page od coveka koji je ataista i navodi pogresne strofe iz Biblije da podrzi svoj stav. Dali si ti procitao sam za sebe te strofe koje on navodi? Mnogi pu pokusali da tvrde da Biblija porice samu sebe ali kada se procita u kontekstu i sa obzirom kome je receno i u kojem kontekstu onda svi ti argrumenti padnu na nista.

Ni slucajno nasi izvori nisu isti Ja sam ti gore dao sta je rekao istoricar koji nije bio Hrican a ziveo je u Isusovom vremnu. Ti si meni dao razmisljanje jednog obicnog ataiste i njegovo netacno citiranje i tumacenje Bigliji, velika je to razlika bolan cak i neko izbosne bi trebao to da ukapira. jedino sto navodi da je tacno je da su pagani imali svoju verisju trojstva. To je istina ali sa obzirom da je djavo autor svih laznih vera nebi bilo cudo da je znao da je bog trojstvo i da bi to ubacio u svoju veru.

Trojstvo je nastalo u Vavuloniji kada je Nimrod sebe i svoju zenu proglasio Bogovima a kasnije je njegov sin Tamuz takodje bio smatran reinkarnaciojom svoga oca Nomroda i bog sunca. Na nizim nivoima vavulonskih tajni ili vere koju su Nimrod i njegova zena uveli u vavuloniji ljudima je bilo objasnjeno da je "sveto apsolutno nista" eksplodiralo u universum i da je to bog. Posto je ceo universum po tom shvatanju deo boga svi su delici boga. Na najviljsim nivoima tajni konacno im je objasnjeno da je njihov bog u stvari djavo. To i dan danas masoni rade. Dok je vas "drug tito" mason, insistirao da se narod zatuca sa ataizmom on je verovao u svoju satansku veru (masonstvo). Nije ni cudo da bi satonistu bilo tako bitno da prevari narod i da im ispere mzak sa ataizmom.

Ataizam u pravom smislu nepostoji, posto je i ataizam vera, koja veruje upravo ono sto na nizim nivoima vernici vavulonskih tajni veruju a to je takodje i deo islama. Da bi nista explodiralo u sve je absrdna iodeja koja nema bas nikavav dokaz niti se moze potvrditi logicnim putem. To ide ptotiv svega sto znamo, protiv zakona fizike i logike.
Svako dogadjaj mora imati uzrok a uzrok mora biti veci nego dogadjaj. To si trebao nauciti u fizici. Jedino Bog stvritelj koji stvri universum a sebe nepretvri u universum moze ispuniti taj zakon fizike. On je veci od dogadjaja/universuma. Po ataistickom/islamskom/paganskom shvatanju bog = universum. Jedine vere na svetu koje veruju u Boga stvritelja koji sebe nije u nuiversum pretvrio su Jevrejska i Hricanske vere.

Dali je iko ikada video primer da nesto nastane od nista?
Dali je iko ikada video primer da neka forma zivota nastane od mrtvih kemikalija?
Matematicka sansa da se samo jedna celija ljudksog DNA stvori u roku od 14 Bilijona godina je nula.

Znaci Ataizam je vera koja zahteve puno vise vere nego vera u Boga stvritelja koji je sve stvrio.

Nemoj brkati moj koncept Boga sa Islamskim posto je tu ogromna razlika. Muslimanki bog Allah/Hubal je u stvari na nizim nivoima vera u Nimroda koji je bio bog meseca i plodnosti vavulonije i kasnije se ta vera prenela u Arabiju i on je bio obozavan pod imenom Hubal a titula mu je bila Allah. Na visljim nivoima u islamu uce ljude takodje da je je covek bog i da najveca duznaost koju ima je da sebe prepozna da je bog. Probleme sa tim konceptom sam vec objasnio. Ako pogledamo Muhammedov zivot i Isusov vidi se defintvna razlika i dokaz da je Muhammed mogao biti samo djavolski poslanik nikako Boziji. Muhammed je sa svojim nacinom zivota krisio sve Bozije zapovesti dok ih je Isus sve ispunio. Muhammed je uvukao pedofiliju u islam i to islam i dan danas podrzava. Islam tvrdi da je devojcica zrela za sex cim ima svoj prvi menustralni ciklus, bez obzira na godine. Zato matori krmak od 54 godine (Muhammed) je imao sex sa detetom od Devet (Aisom) i to se smatra u islamu sasvim uredu. Isus nas je ucio da onaj ko povredi dete na sudnjem danu ce mu biti bolje da se nije nikada ni rodio. Dok je Muhammed ukinuo zrtvovanje ljudi na paganskom oltaru on je zrtvovao daleko vise ljudskih zivota nego sve paganske vere kroz istoriju su ikada.

Muhammed je dozvoljavao silovanje i drzao je sex robinje. Dali to tebi zvuci kao nesto sto bi Bog opravdavao?

Biblija daje detaljna spacificna prorocanstva koja su ispunjena a posto imao manaskripte koji su stariji od ispunjenih prorocanstva jasno je da je pisano pre dogadjaja, ko osim Boga bi mogao dati detaljna prorocanstva koja se bas tako ispune? U Kur'an to neces nigde naci.

o kavkvim ti podbogovima covjece pricas i nirmovima..ma ti nisi normalan ja ti dao podatke oji su validni i koji se u hriscanstvu spominju s cijih sam stranica i skinuo ti meni o DNA pricas...ma ti neznas ni sta je DNA..ma ti si glup frajer...ma nista hajd zdravo..joj degena...ma momak ima problema sa inteligencijom.mislim to je problem kod vas vlaha negledate stvari realno i onda odjednom MI NEBESKI NAROD..ma cao i SA ZELJOM DA AKO BOG DA SVI VI UBRZO POSTANETE NEBESKI U PRAVOM SMISLI TE RIJECI

To je zbog silne krmetine sto zderu pa im udar'la u glavu

Krmetina je onaj ko se krije iza maske i nesme da da iskren odgovor na pitanja.



1. KAKO MOZE CAK I NEKO IZBOSNE DA OPRAVDAVA MATOROG KRMKA OD 54 (Muhammeda) KOJI JE IMAO SEX SA DETETOM OD 9 (Aisom)? TO JE U STVARI SILOVANJE DETETA.

2. KAKO MOZETE I DALJE TVRDITI DA JE KUR'AN OD BOGA KADA SAM VAM POKAZAO GRESKE CAK I MATEMATICKE GRESKE KOJE SU ZABELEZENE U KUR'AN?

3. KAKO MOZETE DOZVOLITI HODZAMA DA VAM ISPIRAJU MOZAK DA JE CAK UREDU I ZA MUHAMMEDA DA UZME ZENU SVOGA SINA ZAIDA ZA SEBE?

4. KAKO MOZETE NAZIVATI KARADZICA ZLOCINCEM AKO ISTO NEZOVETE I MUHAMMEDA KOJI JE POBIO DALEKO VISE LJUDI?

5. KAKO MOZETE SRBE OTUZIVATI ZA SILOVANJA KADA JE TO SAM MUHAMMED RADIO I DOZVOLJAVAO SVOJOJ VOJSCI? AKO SU SILOVANJA GRESNA DELA ONDA SU GRESNA I ZA MUHAMEDA I NJEGOVU VOJSKU KAO I ZA SRBE, ILI NISU GRESNA NIZAKOGA.

Ama kako da ja odgovorim na tvoja pitanja kad ti neces na moja:

- Jel bio "doggy style", ili neki drugi style?
- Jel se slazes da bez kurca nema kopileta, ili ne?
- Jel se slazes da religija nema s naukom blage veze (narocito vlaska)?
- Jel Mara bila dlakava po cijelom tijelu il' nije?
- Jel bila maloljetna kad se dekala, il nije?
- Jel Marin Zagondzija imo veliki osunneceni kurac il nije?

itd itd.....

Vidis, ima tu puno zagonetki, he he...

Joj, sto si ti zivopisan, he he he... Vidis da te napinjem ko mladog magarca, de ba obuzdaj se loma.

Krmetina je onaj ko se krije iza maske i nesme da da iskren odgovor na pitanja.



1. KAKO MOZE CAK I NEKO IZBOSNE DA OPRAVDAVA MATOROG KRMKA OD 54 (Muhammeda) KOJI JE IMAO SEX SA DETETOM OD 9 (Aisom)? TO JE U STVARI SILOVANJE DETETA.

2. KAKO MOZETE I DALJE TVRDITI DA JE KUR'AN OD BOGA KADA SAM VAM POKAZAO GRESKE CAK I MATEMATICKE GRESKE KOJE SU ZABELEZENE U KUR'AN?

3. KAKO MOZETE DOZVOLITI HODZAMA DA VAM ISPIRAJU MOZAK DA JE CAK UREDU I ZA MUHAMMEDA DA UZME ZENU SVOGA SINA ZAIDA ZA SEBE?

4. KAKO MOZETE NAZIVATI KARADZICA ZLOCINCEM AKO ISTO NEZOVETE I MUHAMMEDA KOJI JE POBIO DALEKO VISE LJUDI?

5. KAKO MOZETE SRBE OPTUZIVATI ZA SILOVANJA KADA JE TO SAM MUHAMMED RADIO I DOZVOLJAVAO SVOJOJ VOJSCI? AKO SU SILOVANJA GRESNA DELA ONDA SU GRESNA I ZA MUHAMEDA I NJEGOVU VOJSKU KAO I ZA SRBE, ILI NISU GRESNA NIZAKOGA.

Problems I See With Christianity
I can not deny that Christianity has had a great influence on the Western world, and on the development of our civilization. Many people have had personal experiences that have changed their lives, and much good has been done in the name of God. Unfortunately, I don't believe that Christianity is true.

Why do I believe such an absurd thing? That's a question that has caused me to write this document, in an effort to coalesce my thoughts on the matter. There are several problems that I have with Christianity, and the points below are examples of my thoughts on them.


The overwhelming problem that atheists have with religion is that they do not believe in the supernatural. If one does not believe in the spiritual realm, how can one believe in a supernatural god? I personally have not found good evidence to believe that such a realm exists.
The Bible is not literally perfect. It contains many internal contradictions and inaccuracies (see my contradictions page), and was written over the course of centuries by different authors with different aims. In other words, the origins of the Bible are thought to be much more ordinary than holy. Why, for example, is there argument over which books should be included? Doesn't that cast doubt on the validity of the accepted books? A good book detailing the current state of Biblical scholarship is Who Wrote the Bible? by Richard Elliott Friedman.
If we accept that there are small errors in the Bible caused by errors by the writers and copyists, then we must address the morality portrayed in it (see my morality page). I find it difficult to accept a religion that does not condemn slavery (1 Peter 2:18-21), gives rules for warfare (Deuteronomy 21:10-14), commands its followers to kill people who try to turn them from God (Deuteronomy 13:10), and consistently considers women as being worth less than men (Ephesians 5:22-24). For that matter, why should all women be forbidden to speak in church (and suffer in other ways) because Eve sinned? (1 Timothy 2:11-14)
I acknowledge that by and large the Bible does agree with itself, but I wonder if the council of Nicaea would have included a book that disagreed with the rest of the Bible or Christian theology. In other words, if I fill a bowl with only red M&M's, it would seem pretty obvious to me that the M&M's in the bowl would be consistently red.
I find it hard to accept a religion that banishes people of all other religions to Hell, even the ones who have never heard of Christianity or children who can't understand the concept of salvation. I also find it hard to believe that God's chosen people, largely Jewish, are going to Hell for not believing in Jesus.
Christianity seems to me to have the same sort of origins as other religions, which would imply that it holds no special status among possible explanations of god. Examples of this:
Christianity has evolved over the years. I'm finding it difficult to find Biblical references to some traditional Christian ideas, such as the Trinity, the holy nature of the Virgin Mary, the concept of Hell as a place of eternal damnation, and Satan. An example is the way that God has changed from a fearful being that causes plagues and destroys cities (Old Testament) into a loving benefactor (New Testament).
Other cultures (some predating Christianity) have similarities with Christianity, such as worship of a cross, flood stories, trinitarian worship, and saviors born of virgins. This makes me suspect that Christianity is an amalgamation of pagan influences. An example of this is that Genesis depicts the snake, a pagan symbol of immortality, and an apple, which makes a pagan star when cut crosswise.

As an example, Osiris, the Egyptian god of the underworld, was born of a virgin and was killed by a rival god Seth, who chopped his body into pieces. His body was then re-formed by Isis, and he was brought back from the dead.

Mithras (or Mithra) was the Persian sun god. He was born of a virgin on the 25th of December, and his worshipers practiced baptism, confirmation, and a supper at which they would partake of their god through eating bread and wine. "Like Christians, the Mithraists believed that their savior had descended from heaven to earth; had shared a last supper with 12 followers; had redeemed mankind from sin by shedding blood; and had risen from the dead. They even baptized their converts [though in bull's blood] to wash away past sins." (Quest for the Past)

"Like many other such deities Tammuz...had been born of a virgin, died with a wound in his side and, after three days, rose from his tomb, leaving it vacant with the rock at the entrance rolled aside....It is significant that Bethlehem was not only David's city, but also the ancient center of a Tammuz cult, with a shrine that remained active will into biblical times." (Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy)

Hinduism has the trinity of "Tri-murti" consisting of Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva. They are worshiped as one god.

People do not follow every commandment that God gave to the Israelites, such as not eating pork, not working on the Sabbath, not divorcing (New Testament), and not wearing clothes woven of two materials. This makes me wonder by what right we can decide which commandments are not to be followed. I believe what has really happened is that the concept of Christianity has changed to fit the beliefs of the people who practice it.
Most Christians I have met have ignore issues that are raised that they can't explain. This implies that Christianity must be viewed as perfect, and that no unexplained or inconsistent areas can be allowed. Typical responses are that one can not know the mind of God, or that one can not reach God using the mind alone. People seem unwilling to address the inconsistencies in Christianity that have resulted from its evolution over the centuries. In other words, most devout Christians change the subject when they are forced to experience cognitive dissonance resulting from the conflicting assertions of their religion.
I wonder if people of other religions have "personal experiences" that change their lives. This would make me wonder who they are having their experiences with, if their god does not exist. From the Naseem e Dawat, by the Islamic thinker Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad:

Our Ever Living and All Sustaining God talks to me like one person to another. I ask Him something and supplicate Him and He answers in words full of power. If this should happen a thousand times, He does not fail to answer. In His words, He discloses wonderful hidden matters and displays scenes of extraordinary powers till He makes it clear that He alone is the One Who should be called God. He accepts prayers and intimates their acceptance. He resolves great difficulties and through repeated supplications, revives those who are sick unto death. He discloses all these designs in advance through His word which relate to future events. He proves that He is the God of heaven and earth. (p. 82)
"The resurrection is not an 'established historical fact.' To begin with, there were no eyewitnesses to Jesus' alleged resurrection. Second, there is nothing outside of the New Testament that documents a resurrection. Third, the New Testament itself is unreliable because of a plague of contradictions. Fourth, miracles outside of the New Testament, which Christians do not believe, are better documented than the miracles of the New Testament itself. Fifth, there was a lack of contemporary belief in Jesus' resurrection. Sixth, historical evidence suggests that the Christian belief in resurrection was at least partially borrowed from earlier pagan religions. Seventh, the kind of rigorous evidence needed to really prove that Jesus rose from the dead is lacking. 'Not because of the insufficiency of the evidence but in spite of the sufficiency do men still' believe in the resurrection." (from The Resurrection: Hoax or History?)
I would add to this the following points:

That the Biblical evidence for the resurrection is mostly hearsay. We don't have the accounts of the women who went to the tomb, and most Biblical scholars agree that Matthew and John were not written by the people to whom they are traditionally attributed. The Book of Mormon has the signed statement of several people who say they saw Joseph Smith translating the golden plates, and yet this is dismissed by Christians even though it is the testimony of eyewitnesses.
We must consider the purpose of the authors of the narratives. Some of Paul's work was to preach to nonbelievers, and many early Christian writings were aimed to defend the account of Jesus' life. I don't think the authors would have lied in order to further their case, but I do think that their writings may have been affected by their faith.
The resurrection is a miracle, and I have not encountered any solid evidence for miracles in my lifetime. I don't believe that every hypothesis about the actual occurrences of Jesus' death has merit, but I tend to agree with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle that "When you have eliminated the impossible, what ever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
The many contradictions in the resurrection accounts cause me to doubt their historicity. I don't expect the accounts to be inerrant, but the gospels show a larger number of discrepancies in the resurrection accounts than in the other narratives in Jesus' story.
There seems to be a contradiction between God's omniscience and the idea of free will. If God knew the future of man, he would have known that the creature he was making was going to sin. In other words, if God knows what we're going to do, how can we do anything other than that which he has foreseen?
Omniscience raises some questions about the nature of God: If God foresaw Eve's mistake, why didn't he put a guard around the tree before she had the chance to eat of the fruit? If he sees everything, did he not see the snake tempting them? If he really wanted to have Adam and Eve with him forever in paradise, why didn't he stop the snake?

If God created everything, then why did he create evil? If he didn't create evil, then he must not be omnipotent. If he is the ultimate origin of evil, then he either isn't as good as we think, or is powerless to stop it.
If God did not create evil, then there must be a more powerful "Meta-God" that did create it.

How do we know that the Christian God is the true god? What if the true God is Allah? What if the true God has not yet been found by man, and the personal experiences we feel are misinterpretations of the true God's message? Thousands of religions have come and gone, and yet Christianity proports to be the religion (just as all the other religions do). I have not heard a sound argument as to why Christianity is right, and the other religions are wrong. How do we know that all religions, including Christianity are wrong, and that Christians have been misinterpreting messages from the true but thus far unknown God?
Christian beliefs have been shown to be wrong in the past, such as the flatness of the earth and the geocentric nature of the universe. These mistakes would seem to indicate that the Christian faith has been in error, and might be in the future as well. God has been pushed back by science in the past, and I see no reason why this would change in the future, until God's domain finally becomes that of the unknowable.
I've never seen a miracle of God that can not be explained through the work of humans or chance. Typical miracles are on the order of receiving aid from others when one is in need, the healing of a disease, turning one's life around, or raising enough money for a church. God certainly isn't destroying cities or stopping the sun like he is described as doing in the Old Testament. Emily Dickinson said "They say God is everywhere, and yet we always think of Him as somewhat of a recluse."
One of the Christian tenets is that we hold a special place in the universe. But I have not heard of a difference between humans and animals that can not be attributed to our higher intelligence. How do we know that God didn't create the universe for the dolphins, and that we were the byproduct, and in our egotism have constructed a God that is interested in us?
The Gazzaniggia split brain experiments and other psychological studies have shown that people's personalities and cognitive functions are a result of the chemical and physical makeup of their brains. Doctors can evoke a "religious experience" by delivering electricity to a certain point in the brain. What is the soul, where is it located, and what does it do?

For that matter, how do we know the Christian God is not completely the misguided construction of the human race? Early religions used gods to explain nature. How is this different from using God to explain creation? Is it just a coincidence that religions explain the world and give hope to the hopeless?
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Moj Boze, ponekad se pitam, zar je bas tako moralo biti, moj Boze, ponekad se pitam, zar je dobro srce muslimanskog isana moralo da se vadi Valjevskim, Uzickim i inim drugim srpskim kamama.

Moj Boze, ponekad se pitam, zar je muslimanski covjek samo sto sevdah cuti, morao biti zaklan. Pa sto to mi nismo isli u Negotin i Kraljevo i klali njihove majke, sto to mi nismo postavili haubice na Zabljak, na Durmitor, na Zlatibor i ubijali njihovu djecu.

Nismo, jer mi volimo, a oni mrze, ne svi, ali mrze. Nase su dzamije popaljene, mihrabi poruseni, mezarja uzorana, njihove crkve od Teocaka do Golaca niko ne dira. Nase su majke i sestre silovane, a njihove se suncaju po Adi ciganliji i ljetuju po Budvi.

Nasi su muhadzeri u Trogiru, Pakistanu, a njihovi se, sram ih bilo setaju po Modrici, Dobojskim daidzama i Prijedorskim avlijama Mi ovdje u Bosni jedemo Norveskkku ribu sumnjivog datuma, a oni beru nase alkatmere i ruze i sjede ispod grozda , gdje smo mi, samo mi Bajrame docekivali.

Boze moj, Bosanske gazde, Bosanske gazde i potomci Bosanskih begova, hej ljudi moji gazde, gazde Bosanske cekaju u redu za tanjir graha, a njihova fukara po buvljim pijacama Zajecara prodaje almasli grane i sorvane nasih nena, prodaje fukara znoj i krv tezaka.

Prodaje fukara ibrike i postekije po Pozarevcu, prodaje fukara vilenove goblene, vilenove goblene iz muslimanskih kuca, vezene u nocima kad jos nije bila spaljena iluzija o uvali moga djetinjstva na brdovitom Balkanu i kad je zaklana porodica Huskica odgledala jos jedno nedjeljno popodne koje vodi Dunja Lango Prodaje fukara, a mi se glodjemo, prodaje fukara pune muslimanske sehare, a mi se glodjemo, prodaje srpska fukara muslimansko dostojanstvo, a mi se glodjemo, jebem ja nas, ali neka , neka narode moj, neka prodaje fukara, neka prodaje, jer ne mogu oni nakrasti koliko Musliman ima, ne mogu oni pobiti koliko mi mozemo roditi.

I zato, ne zaboravi nikada narode moj, ne zaboravi nikada potoke krvi sto se slivaju niz Soukbunar, Djidjikovac, Mejtas i Vratnik ne zaboravi nikada i nemoj nikad halaliti.

Ne zaboravi mrtve bebe rodjene na Kosevskom brdu, ubijene iz PAT-a, PAM-a, Boforsa, majku im jebem, ne zaboravi i nemoj nikada halaliti. Ako smo nekada morali halaliti, vise ne smijemo.

Zakuni se narode moj krvlju rahmetli Hajre Mesica i sakatom djecom Bosanskom, da halaliti vise nikada neces.

Tko halali, dabogda ga rodjena djeca proklela, jer mi, mi Muslimani ovaj rat nismo zeljeli, ali ako hocemo, dobit cemo ga, jer u Bosni rjesenja nema ili Dzehenem ili sloboda, kome to nije jasno neka ide iz Bosne.

semir,

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Sada nemoj vise biti kukavica kao svi ostali muslimani na ovom forumu i odgovori na pitanja. Sta to vi krijete kada se bojite iskreno odgovoriti na pitanja?

Ataista u pravom smilu reci kao fol neveruje u boga ali pravi ataista ja neverujem da postoji.

Vas "drug Tito" je kao fol bio ataista a u stvari bio je clan masonke loze cisto satanisticke vere. Ataizam je bio samo za narod a to je prvi stepen ispiranja mozga pre nego sto bi mogli da vam ispiraju mozak sa visljim stepenima moraju vam unistiti veru u Boga. Vavulonske tajne/ satanizam / Masonstvo oduvek funkcinise kroz stepene i svaki stepen ti ispira mozak malo vise dok konacno neprihvatis djavola za svog boga.

Masoni idu kroz 33 stepena ispiranja mozga na najvisem stepenu piju vino iz ljudske lobanje, priznju djavola za svoga boga, i nevide nista pogresno u tom.

PS:

Vi na balkanu niste daleko.

think it's important to point out before delving into the negative aspects of Christianity that I have met some great people who are Christians and know of many more who I consider a force for good in the world. Many Christians interpret their religion in a benevolent way. Christians have sent missions of love all over the world to the remotest and most dangerous places and have made considerable sacrifices to help those in need. I have another page on this web site that discusses some of the positive aspects of Christianity.

Some branches of Christianity, while teaching forgiveness and love also teaches that the Jews are responsible for the crucifixion of God. I say some because some Christians teach that the sins of everyone and not only the Jews, are responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus and that Jesus willingly made the decision to die for our sins. Although this web page discusses negative aspects of Christianity it is important to acknowledge that members of the church have made attempts to fight intolerance and antisemitism and I discuss that later in this web page. Unfortunately there are numerous quotes in the Christian scriptures that say that the non-believer is evil. Many of these can be found on the web page Intolerance and the Bible. I give a few quotes from the scriptures that teach that the nonbeliever is evil below:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist, (1 John 2.22,23).

Mark quotes Jesus as saying (16:16):

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John wrote (3:36):

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

and (John 3:18b)

...he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed...

In Romans it is written regarding the non-believer (14:23)

he that doubteth is damned...

In 2 Thessalonians (1:7) non-believers are described as deceivers and the antichrist:

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

John 8:43 addressing the non-believing Jews told them

Ye are of your father the devil

The New Testament encourages Christians to stay separate from the non-believer. For example:

2 Corinthians (6:14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

The New Testament also accuses the Jews of killing Jesus:

...the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers (Acts 7.51-53)

[the Jews] killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and persecuted us. How displeasing they are to God! How hostile they are to all men. They even tried to stop us from preaching to the Gentiles...This is the last full measure of the sins they have always committed. And now God's wrath has at last fallen upon them. Paul in (Thessalonians 2:15-16)

Not only does Christianity accuse the Jews of killing Jesus it also writes that the Jews said: (Matthew 27:25)

His blood be on us and on our children.

This quote ensures that not only the Jews of Jesus's time but Jews throughout history would be persecuted by the Christians.

William Nichols an Anglican minister who studied the historical evidence for Christianity and then left the faith wrote a book called Christian Antisemitism, A History of Hate, in which he showed that historical evidence indicates that the charge that the Jews forced the Romans to kill Jesus, was a fabrication by Christian hostile to the Jews because they would not convert. I have summarized some of his arguments on the Who Killed Jesus web page.

Although the charge of deicide has led to a history of terrible atrocities against the Jews it is important to note that there are Christians who inspite of this quote are supportive of the Jews and of Israel. For example, Bill Koenig of Koenig's International News, at a meeting of the Christian Coalition called The Future of Islam (2/15/02) said that Israel was the apple of God's eye.

In the Middle Ages, Christians used to prevent Jews from taking any occupation other then money lending. Then debtors became hostile toward the Jews who wanted them to pay their bills. As a result they became convinced the Jews were money hungry and greedy. William Nicholls wrote how:

The hatred of the Jews that arose in this way was sometimes acted out in violence. In the English city of York, on Shabbat Ha'Gadol, just before Passover, in the year 1190, a violent onslaught on the Jews of the city took place... The attack was led by debtors, as the contemporary chronicler, William of Newburgh, allow us to discover... William of Newburgh recorded the fact that the leaders of the plan to massacre the Jews - he calls it "a daring plan" - were some of the nobles who were heavily in debt to the Jewish bankers... The plan, daring or not, certainly had the advantage of simplicity: the most effective way to liquidate a debt is to liquidate the creditor.

Which is greed, to demand payment that you are owed or to kill those to whom you owe money so that you can keep it? It seems to me that the Christians were the real greedy ones.

Creation of paranoia toward the Jew by Christianity resulted in crucifixion of Jews by the Christian Inquisition as well as mass murders of Jews through history by God fearing Christians. More information about this can be found on a web site called A Brief History of 2000 Years of Jewish Persecution.

Muslims have a long history of taking over the religious sites of the religions they conquer and converting them into mosques, or building mosques over them, examples being the Mosque of Omar and the Al Aksa mosque which are built on what was once the Jewish temple. Christians however, are guilty of converting Jewish religious sites into Christian ones as well as building on the Jewish temple. The Al Aksa mosque was originally the Christian-Byzantine Church of St. Mary. The Corpus Christi church in Segovia Spain was originally Segovia's Great Synagogue which was seized by the Vatican when the Jews were expelled from Spain.

Muslims in Turkey used to kidnap Jewish and Christian children convert them to Islam and make them into Muslim soldiers (Janissaries) which sometimes were then used to fight Jews and Christians. To the best of my knowledge Christianity is not guilty of making Jews into Christian soldiers however, the Vatican did send out a directive stating that Jewish children hidden from the Nazis should not be returned to their parents if they had been baptized while in the church's care (Corriere Dela Sera December 28, 2004)

The seeds of hate planted by John and the other authors of the New Testament were the seeds of the Holocaust. The first page of a little children's picture book, published in 1936 by the Nazi's Sturmer-Verlag, is headed by a statement similar to that of John 8:43: ... 'the father of the Jews is the devil'.

The yellow star that the Nazis forced Jews to wear had its roots in medieval Christian laws that required Jews to wear a yellow circle, yellow because of the alleged Jewish greed for gold. This was a way to prevent romantic relationships from springing up between Christians and Jews and was very successful in imposing social isolation on them.

The Christians whose religion preached mercy were merciless to the Jews. The following is an excerpt of a speech a Rabbi gave to his shipmates who were fleeing the Nazis in which he broke to them the news of Kristalnacht.

We Jews of Germany and Austria lived with Christian neighbors for many centuries, sharing their happiness and sorrows. When peace was our fate we were thankful and when hatred and destruction befell us, we prayed forgiveness for our destroyers.

We never faltered in our belief that we were all part of the true 'master race' - the human race. Our great teacher, Hillel, taught us to 'Love peace, seek peace, love mankind.' He told us also that God had granted men the wisdom to choose between good and evil.

I know it has become difficult to believe in Hillel's teachings when the Nazis have made a mockery of good and evil. From Frankfurt to Gratz, from Nuremberg to ancient Worms, from Stettin to Salzburg - our homes and synagogues are burning from fires set by the Nazis. Thousands of our brothers have been massacred by mobs and the House of Jacob in Ashkenaze has ceased to be...

How ironic that the Jews were the ones who prayed for forgiveness of the merciless Christians, the Christians who Jesus commanded to forgive their enemies!

Passion plays portrayed Jews as Christ Killers and triggered progroms against Jews over the centuries. An excellent article on this subject is called The Passion: A Historical Perspective. Mel Gibson is resurrecting the Passion play as a movie. Some concerned Jews and Catholic scholars formed an ad hoc group that issued a report in protest. One Catholic theologian from the group called the script "one of the more anti-Semitic documents most of us have seen in a long time." A group of scholars issued a report that said that (The Jewish Week 6/13/03):

Given this history and the power of film to shape minds and hearts, both Catholics and Jews in the ad hoc group are gravely concerned about the potential dangers of presenting a passion play in movie theatres.

Gibson's critics warned that he is apparently using as sources an 18th century mystical anti-Semitic book by a German nun, Sister Anne Catherine Emmerich, and a tome of Mary of Agreda, a 17th century Spanish aristocrat. Emmerich's book is a diary of the nun's visions many of which are anti-Semitic. Emmerich "told of a vision she had in which she rescued from purgatory an old Jewish woman who confessed to her that Jews strangled Christian children and used their blood in the observance of their rituals. (Jewish Week 7/4/03)

The Emmerich work contains such extra-biblical elements as:

Jesus' cross being constructed at the orders of the high priest in the courtyard of the Temple.
Servants of the high priest bribing fellow Jews to demand Jesus' death and even paying some of his crucifiers.
Violence far beyond what the gospels present during Jesus' hearing before Caiaphas and Annas.
Pontius Pilate criticizing the high priests for physically abusing Jesus and suggesting that they are thirsting for both his body and blood (cf. John 6:53).
Scenes of the brutalizing of Jesus not present in the gospels, such as Jewish figures dragging him around with a bag over his head so that it violently impacts against stone.
Pilate stating that he fears the high priest is planning a revolt against Rome.
Numerous other scenes not present in the New Testament could be cited from the Emmerich book, but those noted here all have the effect of increasing the guilt of Jewish characters for Jesus' sufferings.


The pope later contributed to Emmerich's creation of paranoia by her beautification which is the last step before conferring of sainthood. (New York Sun, Oct 4, 2004)


Mary of Agreda wrote that all Jews continue to be afflicted because of their involvement in Jesus' death. Both Mary of Agreda and Catherine Emmerich are examples of how Christian accounts increased the guilt of the Jews over whatever guilt some Jews may have had when Jesus was killed. John Dominic Crossan, the author of Who Killed Jesus Exposing the Roots of Anti-Semitism in the Gospel Story of the Death of Jesus wrote in a web page on beliefnet.com how in Mark 15:6-15, "the crowd" comes before Pilate to obtain amnesty for Barabbas and only turn against Jesus when Pilate tries to release him instead. But now watch what happens to that Markan source as the story progresses through the later Gospels. Matthew 27:15-26 first copies Mark's "the crowd" but then enlarges it to "the crowds" and finally to "all the people." Luke 23:13-15 changes Mark to "the chief priests, the leaders, and the people." Finally, John 18:37-40 speaks simply of "the Jews." ... "The crowd," in other words, grows exponentially before our eyes. For a brief summary of an alternative view of Jesus's life and who was responsible for his death see the "Who was Jesus" and "Who Killed Jesus" web pages.

According to the Jewish Week, (8/15/03) Mel Gibson showed the film to about 30 Jewish Community members as well as 50 Evangelical and traditional Catholic leaders on August 8th 2003 in the Museum of Fine Arts in Houston. One of the viewers, Rabbi Korn said that for him, the worst moment in the film came during an interchange between Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate and Jesus after Jesus has been tortured. "Pilate says he doesn't want to execute Jesus, and Jesus tells him, "The greater responsibility will be on those who served me up to you," meaning the Jews.

After a preliminary showing of his film Mel Gibson asked the audience if it could incite antisemitism (Worldnetdaily 1/29/04). One of the attendees Mike Evans related that:

I explained to Mr. Gibson that the Crucifixion story has been used by anti-Semites to feed and fuel Jew-hatred throughout history, and that anti-Semitism has risen throughout the world to levels not seen since the days of Hitler. I further stated that the film, in its present form, could incite violence against Jews in the former USSR, Muslim countries and Europe, and could even result in Jews being killed.

I related to Mr. Gibson that the Christian church in Germany supported Hitler, and a major reason for that support was the belief that Jews were suffering for their sin of crucifying the Savior. Oswald J. Smith of the People's Church in Toronto, who visited Germany in 1936, said: "Every true Christian in Germany is for Hitler. I know, for it was from the Christians that I got my information, and right or wrong they endorse Hitler."

Mr. Gibson agreed to make the change suggested by Mr. Evans but didn't. Rabbi Benjamin Blech went to see the movie and wrote an article about it titled The Passion: The Movie and the Aftermath (3/9/04?) He wrote that when the scenes of sadistic torture began to make me feel physically ill:

I closed my eyes. True, I had been duly warned by reviewers that this is no less than "The Goriest Story Ever Told," a Marquis de Sade version of the Gospels; in the words of Leon Wieseltier, the literary editor of The New Republic, "a repulsive, masochistic fantasy, a sacred snuff film." And still I was not prepared for what appeared on the screenAs the movie mercifully came to an end and the lights went on in the theater, the woman seated next to me, a total stranger, turned and asked how I had liked it. I was in no mood for a theological discussion so I simply said I was appalled by the violence. "You must be Jewish," she said. For a moment I felt complimented. Surely what she meant was that I had reacted by way of my religion's sensitivity and abhorrence of bloodshed. But her anger and the words that followed made me understand the real problem with a film that has already achieved not only unparalleled press but also a veritable cult following. "Jews are always going to find fault," she said, "with a story that tells the truth about our Lord!"

Historically there have been Christian attempts to prevent the passion story from causing anti-semitism. In the Middle years of the sixteenth century, the Council of Trent affirmed that the crucifixion was Christ's free decison and that theologically all humanity is responsible for the death of Jesus on the cross and not just the Jews. A paragraph from its Catechism reads as follows:

In the guilt of the crucifixion are involved all those who frequently fell into sin; for as our sins consigned Christ to death on the cross, most certainly those who wallow in sin and iniquity themselves crucify again the Son of God. This guilt seems more enormous in us than in the Jews since, according to the testimony of the apostle, if they had known it they would never have crucified the Lord of glory; while we, on the contrary, professing to know him yet denying him by our actions, seem in some sort to lay violent hands on him.

After the Holocaust, Jules Isaac, a Jewish Historian succeeded in waking up some influential Christians to how the long history of Anti-Jewish hatred of the Church contributed ot the Holocaust. This in all likelihood is what led the second Vatican Council In 1965 to write the nostra aetate, The Declaration on the Relationship of the Church to Non-Christian religions. In this declaration they wrote regarding Judaism that:

Even though the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ (see Jn 19:6), neither all Jews indiscriminately at that time, nor Jews today, can be charged with the crimes committed during his passion. It is true that the church is the new people of God, yet the Jews should not be spoken of as rejected or accursed as if this followed from holy scripture. Consequently, all must take care, lest in catechizing or in preaching the word of God, they teach anything which is not in accord with the truth of the Gospel message or the spirit of Christ.

Indeed, the church reproves every form of persecution against whomsoever it may be directed. Remembering, then, its common heritage with the Jews and moved not by any political consideration, but solely by the religious motivation of Christian charity, it deplores all hatreds, persecutions, displays of antisemitism directed against the Jews at any time or from any source.

Although the Council of Trent and the Nostra Aetate are highly commendable documents and there are modern Evangelical Christians who subscribe to it, these documents did not end Christian anti-semitism. Fifteen years after the enlightened Nostra Aetate was written, Rev. Bailey Smith, former head of the Southern Baptist Convention, said, at the 1980 Religious Roundtable national affairs briefing in Dallas TX that "God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."

Dagobert Runes in his book called The War Against the Jew wrote that:

No group or nation or alliance of nations in all known history has ever perpetuated on a hapless minority such sadistic atrocities over so long a time as the Christians have on the Jews. What the Germans did to six million Jews in the the Second World War is only a continuation of long-established Christian bestiality toward the Jewish people, practiced by European Christians and especially the Catholic Church EVERY DECADE OF EVERY CENTURY FOR THE LAST TWO THOUSAND YEARS.

The Church has a long history of cruel punishment of non-jewish heretics as well practically from its birth. An early example is that of Hypatia (355?-415 CE) She was an inventor, a mathematician, astronomer and philosopher and most importantly a non-believer in Christianity. She believed that people should think and not accept dogma on blind faith. She wrote:

Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all.

and

All formal dogmatic religions are fallacious and must never be accepted by self-respecting persons as final.

She said that:

To teach superstitions as truth is a most terrible thing.

In the spring of 415 C.E., a band of Christian monks seized Hypatia beat her, mutilated her, killed her and burned her remains.

Another heretic punished by the Christians was Miguel Servedo (1511-1553), a Spanish scientist, whose observation that Judea was barren – hardly "flowing with milk and honey" – "necessarily inculpated Moses and grievously outraged the Holy Spirit," according to Calvin, who promptly had him burnt alive.

These are just a few examples of a long history of cruel persecution of heretics by Christians. Dr. Magee in his web page about the inquisition writes:

The Inquisition is irrefutable proof of the wickedness of the religion that created it. This holy court was presided over by the holiest of men, under the direct control of their holinesses the popes. It was the most infamous instrument of injustice and the most terrible indictment of Christian “love” the world has ever seen. Christian popes and scholars perpetrated atrocities in comparison with which the persecutions of early Christians by the Roman authorities is a drop of blood in a barrelful, and which have been exceeded in intensity in the west only by Hitler’s holocaust against Jews, communists, gypsies and homosexuals. No practicer of a Pagan Nature religion could imagine anything on such a horrific scale.

In addition to persecution of the non-believer the church is guilty of other crimes. The Vatican, for centuries had young boys castrated to preserve their angelic singing voices. From the 16th century on, thousands of Italian boys had their testicles removed in the hope their voices would not break and their high registers would be enhanced by the vocal power of a man. (New York Post Aug 17, 2001 p23)

Elizabeth Cady Stanton´s wrote The Woman´s Bible, in which she claims that Christianity is and always has been a patriarchal and sexist religion. Annie Laurie Gaylor Co-Founder of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, wrote Woe to the Women the Bible Tells Me So which addresses sexism in the bible starting with the Creation story in which women are the cause of the downfall of the human race.

The following quotes about women were quoted by a Muslim woman who was critical of Christianity (Gender Apartheid and Islam, frontpage magazine symposium 12/30/04).

"As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex while the production of a woman comes from a defect in the active power."- Thomas Aquinas

"Women are vessels of excrement"- St. Augustine

"The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age, the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil's gateway. You are the unsealer of that forbidden tree, you are the first deserter of the divine law. You destroyed so easily God's image, man on account of your desert- that is death, even the son of God had to die."- Tertullian


According to Christian doctrine if sinners accept Christ all their sins are forgiven. If that's the case then why not sin?

Jose Gomez in an article called Freed From the Chains of Hate that appeared in Awake, Jan 8 03, wrote how he engaged in bad behavior but didn't worry because he believed that all he had to do was ask and his sins would be forgiven. He wrote:

I enjoyed being a bully. Sometimes I would deliberately provoke other young men, but very few dared to defy me - especially since I was often armed with a knife or a chain. Soon I began to steal automobiles and sell them. In some cases I would just set them on fire and enjoy watching the firemen put out the flames. Later I took to breaking into shops and warehouses. I was arrested several times. And each time, I prayed to God for help!

Yes I believed in God. ...Still, my belief in God did not have any effect on my conduct. I thought that all I had to do was ask and my sins would be forgiven.

Later while in prison Gomez became a Jehovahs witness. His faith then did help him reform his character. This part is discussed on the positive aspects of religion page.

Charles MacKay in his book Extraordinary Popular Delusions; the Madness of Crowds wrote how the belief that Christ would forgive their sins affected the behavior of the Crusaders. He wrote:

As the belligerents were to have remission of all their sins on their arrival in Palestine, hundreds of them gave themselves up to the most unbounded licentiousness. The courtesan, with the red cross upon her shoulders, plied her shameless trade with sensual pilgrims without scruple on either side; the lover of good cheer gave loose reign to his appetite, and drunkenness and debauchery flourished. Their zeal in the service of the Lord was to wipe out all faults and follies, and they had the same surety of salvation as the rigid anchorite. This reasoning had charms for the ignorant, and the sounds of lewd revelry and the voice of prayer rose at the same instant from the camp.

Charles MacKay writes how the behavior of the crusaders so antagonized the people of the countries they had to pass through that many of them were slaughtered on the way. This was true even of countries that had been initially friendly and voluntarily provided provisions. The Crusaders also attacked Jews on the way. MacKay writes:

Other swarms, under nameless leaders, issued from Germany and France, more brutal and more frantic than any that had preceded them. Their fanaticism surpassed by far the wildest freaks of the followers of the Hermit. In bands, varying in numbers from one to five thousand, they traversed the country in all directions, bent upon plunder and massacre. They wore the symbol of the Crusade upon their shoulders, but inveighed against the folly of proceeding to the Holy Land to destroy the Turks, while they left behind them so many Jews, the still more inveterate enemies of Christ. They swore fierce vengeance against this unhappy race, and murdered all the Hebrews they could lay their hands on, first subjecting them to the most horrible mutilation. According to the testimony of Albert Aquensis, they lived among each other in the most shameless profligacy, and their vice was only exceeded by their superstition. Whenever they were in search of Jews, they were preceded by a goose and goat, which they believed to be holy, and animated with divine power to discover the retreats of the unbelievers. In Germany alone they slaughtered more than a thousand Jews, notwithstanding all the efforts of the clergy to save them. So dreadful was the cruelty of their tormentors, that great numbers of Jews committed self-destruction to avoid falling into their hands.

William Nichols writes in his book Christian Antisemitism, A History of Hate how:

When the Crusaders were setting out on their long and arduous journey to the Holy Land, to free Jerusalem and the places where Christ had walked, from infidel rule, it occurred to them that they had not to go all that distance to find infidels who were displeasing to Christ. They could gain as much merit, perhaps, for the salvation of their souls by killing the infidels in their midst, the Jewish population of their own lands...The archbishop of Mainz, who attempted to protect the Jews of his city, had to flee for his own life. In that city alone more than one thousand Jews lost their lives, either at the hands of the crusaders or at their own.

In the end, they resorted to an ancient means of preserving their faith at the cost of their lives. they slew first their wives and children and then themselves, in an act of kiddush ha-Shem, a hallowing of the divine name in voluntary martyrdom, rather than submitting to baptism or a more atrocious death at the hands of the crusading mob...

When the crusaders reached Jerusalem, they took a further opportunity to revenge themselves on the infidels, including those they thought of as the killers of Christ. Under their leader, Godfrey of Bouillon, they spent the first week after the capture of Jerusalem disposing of the inhabitants of the city.

Godfrey wrote to the pope, "If you want to know what has been done with the enemy found in Jerusalem, learn that in the Porch and in the Temple of Solomon, our people had the vile blood of the Saracens up to the knees of their horses. As for the Jews of the city, they were shut up in a synagogue and burned alive." The crusaders then went to worship in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and give thanks for God's blessing upon their arms.

The beheading of infidels by Muslims is well known. What is less well known is that severing an opponent's head, impaling it on a stick, and brandishing it about was a practice indulged in by the Christian knights during the Crusades (Caravans to Oblivion, The Armenian Genocide, 1915 by G.S. Graber). Christianity unlike Islam, has no religious justification for such behavior.

Inter-Christian Wars

One ridiculous example of this was after the Armenians through off the yoke of Byzantium and won all of Cilicia. Mabel Elliott in her book Beginning Again At Ararat wrote:

Peace wit hthe Byzantine Greek Empire, and the accompanying free intercourse with the French, might have made int he Taurus another golden age of Armenia, ahd there not been an outbreak of religious wars. A difference of opinion as to the exact nature of Christ's divinity before His baptism by John the Baptist began afresh the murderous war between Armenian Gregorian Christian and Byzantine Greek Orthodox Christian.

Disturbing Undercurrents in Modern Christianity

Nicholas Kristof wrote an OPED in the New York Times about recent evangelical literature as follows:

If the latest in the "Left Behind" series of evangelical thrillers is to be believed, Jesus will return to Earth, gather non-Christians to his left and toss them into everlasting fire:

"Jesus merely raised one hand a few inches and a yawning chasm opened in the earth, stretching far and wide enough to swallow all of them. They tumbled in, howling and screeching, but their wailing was soon quashed and all was silent when the earth closed itself again."

These are the best-selling novels for adults in the United States, and they have sold more than 60 million copies worldwide. The latest is "Glorious Appearing," which has Jesus returning to Earth to wipe all non-Christians from the planet. It's disconcerting to find ethnic cleansing celebrated as the height of piety.

Confession

The tradition of confession to a priest gives the priest a lot of power since he then knows everything about everyone. If the priest is a good person then that may be a good thing but if the priest is bad or controlled by malevolent authorities confession can be destructive. An example of this is the control the Egyptian government exerts over Coptic clergy. According to JihadWatch.org (New Details of Jersey Murders 1/31/05)

There are a number of clergy in the Coptic community who are in bed with the Egyptian government. Some even act as agents for the Mubarak regime. Coptic clergy who won’t cooperate are often exiled into the Egyptian desert, where they live a very difficult life.

Many Coptic women have been kidnapped by Muslims. Some of these women are being kidnapped with the help of the compromised clergy. The priest hears a girl’s confession and then passes on information he hears there to Muslim kidnappers, who decide which girls they want to take. Many of these women are forced to marry Muslim men and are never seen again.

A number of Muslims have infiltrated the Coptic community, pretending to be Christians in order to gather information. Jersey City has a large number of Copts. Some of this infiltration has taken place there; some of the Coptic clergy there are also compromised. However, most Copts trust their clergy wholeheartedly, making it easy for the moles to operate.


Christianity and Women

Paul while telling Christians men they should love their wives, also says that women should be in a state of subjection to their husbands.

Here are some quotes from the New Testament that illustrate this:

14:34 let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law. 14:35 And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church. 14:36 What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone? (Corinthians I)

3:18 Wives, be in subjection to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them. (First Epistle of Paul to the Colossians)

2:4 that they may train the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 2:5 to be sober-minded, chaste, workers at home, kind, being in subjection to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed: (The Epistle of Paul to Titus)

3:1 In like manner, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; (The First Epistle General of Peter)

5:22 Wives, be in subjection unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, and Christ also is the head of the church, being himself the saviour of the body. 5:24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives also be to their husbands in everything. 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it; (The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Ephesians)

The Gospel of Mark finishes with the following paragraph.

16:15 And he (Jesus) said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. 16:17 And these signs shall accompany them that believe: in my name shall they cast out demons; they shall speak with new tongues; 16:18 they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall in no wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 16:19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken unto them, was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. 16:20 And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word by the signs that followed. Amen.

Although there are many who believe in Jesus none of them can cure people by touching them the way Mark said they would be able to, yet despite this evidence that the Gospel of Mark is false, they believe. Some sects of Christianity refuse to take medicine because their belief in Mark's words is so strong yet even after their believing hands touch their sick, their sick remain sick and sometimes die. Tragically they believe that the non-believer is evil since Mark said he that disbelieveth shall be condemned and this has caused enormous suffering in the world.

da vam samo recem markoZG i semir su marko ovo je hrvat nije srbin nije bosanac nego rvat sto se boji da kaza da je hrvat,

Some Aspects of Christian Dogma

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If we consider, for example, Christianity, we must recognize that this distinction between the natural and the supernatural is not at all clear-cut.

First of all, let us set aside the more unsophisticated Christian beliefs: for example, the existence of hell and the devil, miracles, biblical literalism, young-earth creationism, virgin birth, the resurrection of Jesus, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary, the glorification and fetishization of human suffering (as exemplified by the notorious behaviour of Mother Teresa), etc. Let us concentrate instead on several aspects of what might be termed "modern" or "moderate" Christianity, beliefs which are held by a large number of the faithful, including many well educated Ch
In my opinion, supernatural religion is the pseudoscience par excellence, the prototypical paranormal belief system which, by virtue of the respect which it traditionally enjoys, legitimizes and helps perpetuate all others. And it is indeed because of this tradition that religions constitute the strongest, most dangerous and most firmly entrenched of paranormal beliefs.

The language used in this article to describe Christianity may shock some readers. But it must be recognized that this choice of words is not substantially different from terms commonly used by sceptics to describe pseudosciences.

The simple act of criticizing the foundations of a religion may lead to accusations of some intention to burn the religious at the stake just as heretics were often persecuted in the Middle Ages [Coulombe-2001]. Such extravagant manoeuvres must not silence criticism of religion. To the best of my knowledge, no sceptical organization has ever promoted the death penalty (even less so burning at the stake!) for fortune-telling or homeopathy. Sceptics merely offer, to those persons willing to accept it, a refreshingly cold shower of reality. I propose that we extend this offer to religious believers. Unfortunately, inter-religious and intra-religious violence and intolerance are so widespread that many believers apparently find inconceivable the notion of criticism of the philosophical foundations of their faith, without such critical observation degenerating into physical threats. However, the sceptical approach is extra-religious and respectful of the right to belief.

Criticism of the foundations of religions is not really the task of associations which promote secularism and church/state separation because such organizations must maintain a degree of neutrality; their mandate is to protect freedom of conscience and to fight against the political influence of religious institutions. The task of fundamental critique of religion falls more within the sphere of activity of sceptic groups.

Over the last several decades, a great many of the faithful have abandoned the Catholic Church and turned towards a wide variety of other religions and beliefs. But this exodus is not necessarily due to any recognition of the falseness of Catholicism. People leave the Church for many reasons: they find Catholicism less satisfying, or they are outraged by the behaviour of priests or by papal declarations, etc. Consider, as an example, the vulgar opportunism of Raël who profits from the scandal of priests who abuse minors in order to score points in the religious marketplace. If the fundamental falsehood of Christianity and of Catholicism were openly discussed, if a frank and unfettered critique of religious morality were practised on an ongoing basis, then disaffected believers would probably be a little less credulous and better prepared to confront the traps set for them by sects and other dubious tendencies.

As for that other pseudoscience of morality, even more dangerous than Christianity on a planetary scale because it currently has the wind in its sails--I am referring of course to Islam--how can we dare criticize its theoretical foundations if we have not first done a more complete job here at home, in what was once called Christendom?


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Sve cu ja tebi to lepo odgovoriti cim dobijem tvoj odgovor na moja pitanja necemo odgovarati na pitanja sa pitanjem i napadom.

ZNAM DA MUSLIMAN BI RADIJE JEO G________ NEGO DA DA ISKREN ODGOVOR O ISLAMU I MUHAMMEDU ALI OVOGA PUTA CES MORATI.

Samo da vidis da se nekrijem kao ti dacu ti delimican odgovor.
Problems I See With Christianity
I can not deny that Christianity has had a great influence on the Western world, and on the development of our civilization. Many people have had personal experiences that have changed their lives, and much good has been done in the name of God. Unfortunately, I don't believe that Christianity is true.

Why do I believe such an absurd thing? That's a question that has caused me to write this document, in an effort to coalesce my thoughts on the matter. There are several problems that I have with Christianity, and the points below are examples of my thoughts on them.


The overwhelming problem that atheists have with religion is that they do not believe in the supernatural. If one does not believe in the spiritual realm, how can one believe in a supernatural god? I personally have not found good evidence to believe that such a realm exists.

VIDI UNIVERSUM KOJI OCITO POSTOJI A NEPITA SE ODAKLE JE NASTAO. ZAR JE TO LOGIKA DA COVEK TVRDI DA SVE STO POSTOJI JE NASTALO OD NISTA? IMALI IJEDAN PRIMER DA JE IKO IKADA VIDEO DA NESTO POSTANE OD NISTA?

The Bible is not literally perfect. It contains many internal contradictions and inaccuracies (see my contradictions page), and was written over the course of centuries by different authors with different aims. In other words, the origins of the Bible are thought to be much more ordinary than holy. Why, for example, is there argument over which books should be included? Doesn't that cast doubt on the validity of the accepted books? A good book detailing the current state of Biblical scholarship is Who Wrote the Bible? by Richard Elliott Friedman.
If we accept that there are small errors in the Bible caused by errors by the writers and copyists, then we must address the morality portrayed in it (see my morality page). I find it difficult to accept a religion that does not condemn slavery (1 Peter 2:18-21),
PETAR JE ZIVEO U RIMSKOM CARSTVU I TO CARSTVO JE DOZVOLJAVALO ROBOVE. PETAR NIJE TO OPRAVDAVAO VEC JE SAMO DAO LJUDIMA NAJBOLJI NACIN DA PREZIVE NEZGODNU SITUACIJU.

gives rules for warfare (Deuteronomy 21:10-14), commands its followers to kill people who try to turn them from God

TU JE TVOJ DROGIRANI PRIKA MALO POBRKAO LONCICE ODGOVOR NA TO PITANJE CES NACI U DETALJIMA OVDE.

http://www.utoronto.ca/wjudaism/journal/vol1n1/v1n1elma.htm

(Deuteronomy 13:10), and consistently considers women as being worth less than men (Ephesians 5:22-24). For that matter, why should all women be forbidden to speak in church (and suffer in other ways) because Eve sinned? (1 Timothy 2:11-14)

TU JE OPET POBRKAO LONCICE U BIBLIJI POSTOJE MNOGE ZENE KOJE SU BILA NA POLOZAIJMA I POSTOJI BEZBROJ ZAKONA DA SE ZENA TRETIRA DOBRO ALI BIBLIJA NESMATRA MUSKARCA I ZENU KAO ISTIM BICIMA STO OCITO NISMO VEC IMAMO RALICITE FUNKCIJE. NA PRIMER MUSKARAC NEMOZE ZATRUDNETI A ZENA MOZE.

I acknowledge that by and large the Bible does agree with itself, but I wonder if the council of Nicaea would have included a book that disagreed with the rest of the Bible or Christian theology. In other words, if I fill a bowl with only red M&M's, it would seem pretty obvious to me that the M&M's in the bowl would be consistently red.
I find it hard to accept a religion that banishes people of all other religions to Hell, even the ones who have never heard of Christianity or children who can't understand the concept of salvation. I also find it hard to believe that God's chosen people, largely Jewish, are going to Hell for not believing in Jesus.
Christianity seems to me to have the same sort of origins as other religions, which would imply that it holds no special status among possible explanations of god. Examples of this:
Christianity has evolved over the years. I'm finding it difficult to find Biblical references to some traditional Christian ideas, such as the Trinity, the holy nature of the Virgin Mary, the concept of Hell as a place of eternal damnation, and Satan. An example is the way that God has changed from a fearful being that causes plagues and destroys cities (Old Testament) into a loving benefactor (New Testament).
Other cultures (some predating Christianity) have similarities with Christianity, such as worship of a cross, flood stories, trinitarian worship, and saviors born of virgins. This makes me suspect that Christianity is an amalgamation of pagan influences. An example of this is that Genesis depicts the snake, a pagan symbol of immortality, and an apple, which makes a pagan star when cut crosswise.

OVDE OCITO IMAO SAMO DOBRU DOZU ONOGA STO NJEMU LICNO NEPASE. COUNCIL OF NICAEA JE ODRZAN GODINE 325 ZA VREME KONSTANTINOVE VLADE. UZROK TOGA SASTANKA JE BIO STO SU MNOGI POCELI UVLACITI SVAKJAKE GLUPOSTI U CRKVU KAO GNOSTICI NA PRIMER. CRKVA JE TADA JEDNOM ZA SVA VREMNA OBJAVILA KOJE KNJIGE SU IZ ORGINALA A KOJE NISU NISTA SE TU NIJE KRILO. TAKODJE POSTO JE STARI ZAVET POSTOJAO DAVNO RANIJE LAKO SE MOZE VIDETI AKO SE NEVI ZAVET NIJE UKLAPAO SA STARIM.

DONJI DEO JESTE TACAN PAGANI JESU IMALI SVOJU VERSIJU TROJSTVA, PRICE O GLOBALNIM POPLAVAMA, PRICE O SPASITELJU KOJI JE RDJEN OD NEVINE ZENE. DALI TO ZNACI DA JE HRICANSTVO NASTALO OD PAGANSKE VERE ILI SU PAGANI IZ STAROGA ZAVETA KOJI JE POSTOJAO DAVNO PRE HRICANSTVA I POKUPILI NEKE STVARI KAO STO JE MUHAMMED URADIO? SA OBZIROM DA NAS BILIJA UCI DA SVE LAZNE VERE POTICU IZ VAVULONIJE I DA JE NJIHOV AUTOR DJAVO (DUHOVNO BICE KOJE JE VODI REVOLUCIJU PROTIV BOGA)NEBI BILO CUDO AKO SU NEKE STVARI POGODILI.


Kasnije cu nastaviti sa ovim predugim odgovorom ali sada definitvno ocekujem tvoj odgovor na moja pitanja.

PS:

Primeti da ja nekoristim tudja pitanja i odgovore vec sam pisem za sebe, sto se islama tice koristim islamske podatke ne atiislamske kao stoi ti radis sa antihricanskim sitovima.

UKLJUCI BRE MOZAK I MISLI SAM ZA SEBE.

1. KAKO MOZE CAK I NEKO IZBOSNE DA OPRAVDAVA MATOROG KRMKA OD 54 (Muhammeda) KOJI JE IMAO SEX SA DETETOM OD 9 (Aisom)? TO JE U STVARI SILOVANJE DETETA.

2. KAKO MOZETE I DALJE TVRDITI DA JE KUR'AN OD BOGA KADA SAM VAM POKAZAO GRESKE CAK I MATEMATICKE GRESKE KOJE SU ZABELEZENE U KUR'AN?

3. KAKO MOZETE DOZVOLITI HODZAMA DA VAM ISPIRAJU MOZAK DA JE CAK UREDU I ZA MUHAMMEDA DA UZME ZENU SVOGA SINA ZAIDA ZA SEBE?

4. KAKO MOZETE NAZIVATI KARADZICA ZLOCINCEM AKO ISTO NEZOVETE I MUHAMMEDA KOJI JE POBIO DALEKO VISE LJUDI?

5. KAKO MOZETE SRBE OPTUZIVATI ZA SILOVANJA KADA JE TO SAM MUHAMMED RADIO I DOZVOLJAVAO SVOJOJ VOJSCI? AKO SU SILOVANJA GRESNA DELA ONDA SU GRESNA I ZA MUHAMEDA I NJEGOVU VOJSKU KAO I ZA SRBE, ILI NISU GRESNA NIZAKOGA.

Jadno je to zaista da ovde nema nijednoga muslimana koji moze da mi da iskren odgovor na pitanja.

Most of us have grown up with some sort of religious experience, even if at a distance. Children are raised to believe what their parents believed. We take what we hear as truth and accept it without question in most cases.

The problem is, how can we know whether the religion we have embraced is actually a true religion, or just another knock-off counterfeit false religion? How do YOU know that your religious belief is valid? What do you base your beliefs on? What your parents, minister or priest tells you?

There are some serious warnings about being taken in by false religion which "SEEMS" right to us, but is actually a deceptive facade that is meant to mislead.

Proverbs 14:12 + 16:25 "There is a way [that seems] right to a man, but its end [is] the way of death."

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

POINT: Keep in mind that THIS white horse and rider is often confused with being Christ, but it is not. Being one of the four horsemen, this white horse and rider are evil and do damage as the other four horsemen also do. It is intended to "look and sound" like Christ, ...(Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war), but the white horse and rider of Rev. 6 only goes forth to "conquer" by deceiving those who follow him with "spiritual sounding and looking words and actions..."

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 "For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. :14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his (Satan's) ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, (appear to be and sound like Christian ministers of truth) whose end will be according to their works."

...looks like Christ and sounds like Christ...

Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I (Jesus) am the Christ,' and will deceive many."

POINT: In these last few scriptures, false religion is plainly described, even to the point where they are actually preaching about Christ, that "Jesus is the Christ," and yet actually are deceiving many. Do you realize what this really means? People, regardless of how well intentioned they may be, could actually be hearing about Christ, religion, salvation, etc., and STILL be deceived by it. The only way this could occur is if the religion "supposedly" based on the Bible isn't actually understood, and only a "form" of religion is followed and the "Spirit and Truth" reality is completely missed.

Romans 10:2 "For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. :3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God."

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. KJV Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

POINT: Millions of people have a zeal for "their" God, but the warning is that it could be a zeal that isn't based on truth and is deceptive. The meaning of the word "Jew" in these two scriptures mean "Christian..."

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

POINT: Being Jewish was meaningless regarding salvation after the new testament church was started by Christ. The "Jewishness" was to be inwardly... a spiritual event taking place. Christ warns in Revelation that there are MANY who claim to be "Jews" (converted people of God) BUT ARE NOT. This should be a strong warning to us all about exactly what "true Christianity" really is.

Mark 7:6-8 "He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from Me. :7 and in vain they worship me, teaching [as] doctrines the commandments of men.'(Christmas, Easter, etc.) :8 "For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men..."

POINT: Christ plainly states that He can be worshiped in vain, or in a useless way, by teaching and following commandments designed and implemented by man and how MANKIND thinks the Bible dictates religious practices. Can you see now WHY there are so many "Christian" beliefs and practices? Without the mind and spirit of God opening a person's understanding, mankind can only do what seems right in their own eyes, which explains why we have so many conflicting "Christian" groups.

Titus 1:16 "They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work."

2 Peter 3:16 "...as also in all his (Paul) epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable [people] twist to their own destruction, as [they do] also the rest of the Scriptures."

John 4:23-24 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 "God [is] Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

POINT: Many millions of people worship God as they were taught or imagine is right to them, but Christ states that a TRUE worshiper will worship IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH. That can only be done when a person understands what the truth really is.

Revelation 12:9 "So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

POINT: To better understand this, you need to read the page concerning exactly who and what the "devil" really is. (See Satan) Nonetheless, this being is here shown to be responsible for DECEIVING THE WHOLE WORLD. . . ALL PEOPLE. How and in what way this is possible, you need to understand.

2 Corinthians 4:3 "But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, :4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them."

2 Timothy 3:5 "...having a form of godliness but denying its power. . ."

John 8:30-39 30 As he spake these words, many believed on him. 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33 They (Those who "believed on Him") answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34 Jesus answered them,(Those who "believed on Him"), Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye (Those who "believed on Him") seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye (Those who "believed on Him") do that which ye have seen with your father. 39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye (Those who "believed on Him") seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye (Those who "believed on Him") do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them,(Those who "believed on Him") If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye (Those who "believed on Him") cannot hear my word. (were not called or given understanding then). 44 Ye (Those who "believed on Him") are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye (Those who "believed on Him") believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye (Those who "believed on Him") therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. 48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? 49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. 50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. 51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52 Then said the Jews (Those who "believed on Him") unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: (Those who "believed on Him"), but I know him, and keep his saying. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they (Those who "believed on Him") up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

POINT: In the scriptural discourse in John, above, Christ is speaking to those who "believed on Him," believed in God and the scriptures, and yet Christ went on to make the point that even these people who "BELIEVED on Him" were not of God, but were actually being deceived by Satan, unknowingly. They thought they were being religious and worshiping God, yet Christ himself told them they (their attitudes and understanding) were of Satan. WHY? Because they didn't believe what He taught them. They had their preconceived ideas and understanding about God and truth, but they didn't have the truth. Their minds were blinded, just as today, "the whole world" also resist the truth of God and the Bible. The truth isn't something the human mind of itself can understand.

Ephesians 4:14 "That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive. . ."

POINT: Some knowingly deceive. Others, sincere though they may be, still deceive unknowingly. There are ministers who deliberately deceive people with traditional religious ideas for the money. We ALL know that. However, what we all DON'T know, is that many "ministers of righteousness" deceive as well, although they are doing it unknowingly, because they themselves believe what they are teaching.

Titus 3:3 "For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, "DECEIVED," serving diverse lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, [and] hating one another."

POINT: ALL humanity has been, or is, deceived, but only God's calling, along with study and proving all things, and then obeying them, can a human being come to see their deception and the truth of God.

Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

POINT: We have to use God's word... ALL of it, to come to understand His will. False Christian teachings that are not supported by His word damage our understanding of God, and prevent us from worshiping in "spirit and truth."

Pitanje je bilo i ostalo a sada budi covek i odgovori. ZASTO SU MUSLIMANI TAKVE KUKAVICE DA NIKADA NEMOGU JASNO ODGOVORITI NA PITANJE U VEZI KUR'AN I MUHAMMEDA?


1. KAKO MOZE CAK I NEKO IZBOSNE DA OPRAVDAVA MATOROG KRMKA OD 54 (Muhammeda) KOJI JE IMAO SEX SA DETETOM OD 9 (Aisom)? TO JE U STVARI SILOVANJE DETETA.

2. KAKO MOZETE I DALJE TVRDITI DA JE KUR'AN OD BOGA KADA SAM VAM POKAZAO GRESKE CAK I MATEMATICKE GRESKE KOJE SU ZABELEZENE U KUR'AN?

3. KAKO MOZETE DOZVOLITI HODZAMA DA VAM ISPIRAJU MOZAK DA JE CAK UREDU I ZA MUHAMMEDA DA UZME ZENU SVOGA SINA ZAIDA ZA SEBE?

4. KAKO MOZETE NAZIVATI KARADZICA ZLOCINCEM AKO ISTO NEZOVETE I MUHAMMEDA KOJI JE POBIO DALEKO VISE LJUDI, CAK I SVOJE KOMSIJE U MEKI?

5. KAKO MOZETE SRBE OTUZIVATI ZA SILOVANJA KADA JE TO SAM MUHAMMED RADIO I DOZVOLJAVAO SVOJOJ VOJSCI? AKO SU SILOVANJA GRESNA DELA ONDA SU GRESNA I ZA MUHAMEDA I NJEGOVU VOJSKU KAO I ZA SRBE, ILI NISU GRESNA NIZAKOGA.

Ne samo da Muslimani nisu sposobni da razmisljau sami za sebe i da dodju do logicnog zakljucka vec i sa satanskog sita moraju kopirati.

Pitanje je bilo i ostalo a sada budi covek i odgovori. ZASTO SU MUSLIMANI TAKVE KUKAVICE DA NIKADA NEMOGU JASNO ODGOVORITI NA PITANJE U VEZI KUR'AN I MUHAMMEDA?


1. KAKO MOZE CAK I NEKO IZBOSNE DA OPRAVDAVA MATOROG KRMKA OD 54 (Muhammeda) KOJI JE IMAO SEX SA DETETOM OD 9 (Aisom)? TO JE U STVARI SILOVANJE DETETA.

2. KAKO MOZETE I DALJE TVRDITI DA JE KUR'AN OD BOGA KADA SAM VAM POKAZAO GRESKE CAK I MATEMATICKE GRESKE KOJE SU ZABELEZENE U KUR'AN?

3. KAKO MOZETE DOZVOLITI HODZAMA DA VAM ISPIRAJU MOZAK DA JE CAK UREDU I ZA MUHAMMEDA DA UZME ZENU SVOGA SINA ZAIDA ZA SEBE?

4. KAKO MOZETE NAZIVATI KARADZICA ZLOCINCEM AKO ISTO NEZOVETE I MUHAMMEDA KOJI JE POBIO DALEKO VISE LJUDI, CAK I SVOJE KOMSIJE U MEKI?

5. KAKO MOZETE SRBE OTUZIVATI ZA SILOVANJA KADA JE TO SAM MUHAMMED RADIO I DOZVOLJAVAO SVOJOJ VOJSCI? AKO SU SILOVANJA GRESNA DELA ONDA SU GRESNA I ZA MUHAMEDA I NJEGOVU VOJSKU KAO I ZA SRBE, ILI NISU GRESNA NIZAKOGA.

PA EVO JOS IMA DA CITAS GODINAMA:
7 Day Creation
"The seven day creation is not literal, there are illogical and unscientific errors that would not have been apparent to the authors but which are highlighted on this page and by science. The shape of the Earth is not flat. The Sun does not revolve around the Earth. The creation of light and the sun happened independent of each other, and there were 'days' before the sun was created for the Earth to rotate around. The order in which animals, plants and other elements of life appear in Genesis contradict the order that appears in the fossil record and the order of creation of the stars, the sun, etc, also contradict what we know scientifically. The logic is flawed behind the 'day of rest', an all-powerful God does not need rest. In short, the seperation of creation into a seven day period is a useless and outdated creation story riddled with errors.
Genesis is written by fallible Human beings, not God, and is proven to be a false record of creation. It also shows many symptoms of being a piecemeal, fragmented myth that has been editted and rewritten over time so that it hardly even makes internal sense. It contains no moral teachings and nothing educational. It is an irredeemable anachronism that we ever teach our children it's pointless myths and retain it as part of Chrsitianity. It should be purged."

"The Genesis 7 day creation account" by Vexen

Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark
Incest
The Adam and Eve story and the Noah's Ark story both suffer from a problem of incest. It is not possible for a species to develop from such a tiny number of people.

"Due to the non viable offspring that result from incest, the Adam and Eve story cannot be the literal whole truth. When a Christian next time relies on the urban myth of "Christian Family Values" then wander how they would explain to someone the big question of "What happened after the Flood?" The only moral escape route is to admit that the Adam and Eve story is a metaphor. The only biologically correct explanation known is that we evolved slowly from lower animals so that incest was never a problem."
"Adam and Eve" by Vexen Crabtree 2002 Sep 30


Morals of the story

"Punishing one person for the actions of another is immoral. If we use the Adam and Eve story to explain evil, suffering and death then we are saying that God is immoral and not a forgiving God. Judging Adam and Eve even when they didn't know the difference between good and evil, when they didn't know it was wrong to disobey and couldn't understand that the serpent tricked them, is also immoral. The Adam and Eve story is not a suitable moral story for children nor is it a valid theodicy to explain evil."
"Adam and Eve" by Vexen Crabtree 2002 Sep 30

The New Testament
The New Testament is the source of modern Christianity, and it was a single person, Paul, who inspired the four gospels to be written. Paul himself had no direct contact with Jesus, however. Paul: This page describes in a lot of detail Paul and his life, reasoning and mistaken beliefs about Yeshua (who is the Jew who became known as Jesus, through the preaching of Paul).
All of our knowledge about Jesus comes from the Bible. The Bible was written by the followers, fans and supporters of the Jesus myth, and it was his followers aim to glorify him, to prove that they were right and to prove that they were following the correct Messiah, as they believed him to be. Our only source of information is written by these people! Christians often claim that Jesus is one of the best documented figures in history but this is not true. Writers and historians of the time do not mention him.

The actual content of the New Testament has also been refined and edited by the ancient Church, from the fourth century onwards, and it is on their decisions that ten million Christians base their religion. Our Christian predecessors destroyed and forged historical records, yet some people still assume the texts we have in the Bible to be legitimate. None of this would have been necessary if there was any solid proof of Jesus' existence.

Virgin Birth & Christmas Story
Read full essay on the Birth Narrative
Virgin Birth:

"The Prophecy of the virgin birth appears in Matthew Matthew 1:22-23. Matthew wrote this seventy years after Jesus Christ was born (35-40 years after he died). Up until that point no other text mentions Jesus' virgin birth. He quotes Isaiah 7:14 which was written 700 years before Jesus was born - thus claiming it was a sign, a prediction of the Messiah's virgin birth.
But there is a serious problem. Matthew states that, due to prophecy, it is true that Jesus was a male line descendant of King David, and presents a genology at the beginning of his gospel tracing Jesus' lineage through Joseph. Matthew, apparently, like Luke and Paul and the rest of the early Christians, did not believe in a virgin birth. There are two theories that I see explain how this contradictory state of affairs occured. (1) The first is that a Septuagint mistranslation of the word "virgin" instead of "young woman" caused the discpency. This means that the prophecy is not that someone called Immanuel will be born of a virgin, but merely that someone called Immanuel will be born. In the original context of the story, this makes a lot of sense. (2) The second theory is that Matthew, writing for a Roman gentile audience in Greek, included popular myths surrounding sons of gods, who in Roman mythology were frequently said to be born of virgins. In either case, it is clear that Matthew's prophecy of a virgin birth was a mistake, and modern Bible's actually include a footnote in Matthew pointing out that the virgin birth is probably a mistranslation. "

From "Matthew, the fraud (click for complete text)" by Vexen

Luke tells us that Caesar called for a census and Joseph and Mary had to return to their town of origin, Bethlehem, until the census was complete. But at no point did the Romans require people to return to their place of birth for a census. Matthew, the only other gospel including information on this, does not include any of these aspects of Jesus' birth, and merely states that he was born in Bethlehem whilst Herod was king. All of Luke's insertions about singing angels, barns and mangers are not mentioned in Matthew's version.

Further problems exist in the contrasting Luke/Matthew accounts of Jesus' birth. Luke claims that Jesus was born when Quirinius, a roman official, was the governor of Syria. This happened during or shortly after 6ad. Matthew however, claims that Jesus was born whilst Herod the Great reigned over Judea, and Herod died in 5 or 4 BC. There is a huge 10/11 year gap between these two dates, and either Luke or Matthew were wrong. Given Luke's track record, and that fact that historians accept the date of 4ad for Jesus' birth, it is likely that Luke was (once again) wrong.

The Guiding star
One of Matthew's plotlines is the three visitors from the East who visit the newborn Jesus. They say that a star came up in the East, however no other people in the story appear to notice this. It must have been a relatively unnoticeable event, a fairly faint star, only noticed by people who study the stars. The three visitors are called 'Star Readers' in Matthew 2:1. However no other astrologers across the world at that time document this phenomenon.

King Herod: The killing of every male baby
Matthew 2:16-17 tells us of King Herod's killing of every male child. This should have been mentioned elsewhere, such as in Josephus' detailed accounts of the times. But no-one else mentions it except Luke! Many other myths, including more ancient Roman ones, had an event where all the male children were killed, and the famous Romulus and Remus story is (once again) a good, famous example. Luke, once again, was borrowing and adding pagan myth stories to his account.

The Messiah?
Christianity is centered around the Jewish rabbi Yeshua Nazaret, known as Jesus. Paul is quoted many times of talking of Jesus and calling him the Messiah, and this seems like the likely start of Christianity - Paul's students of Christ. This chapter shows that Paul was mistaken and Jesus could not have been the Messiah. Over 2000 years the Jews have produced much literature, and continue to do so, stating the same thing: That Yeshua (Jesus) was not the Messiah.
Prophecy of the Messiah
The Old Testament predicts that the Messiah was to be called Emmanuel (Isaiah 7:14), and does not mention a Holy Spirit or a virgin birth. Emmanuel means "with God", but Jesus was instead called Yeshua, and was never called Emmanuel until a few decades after his death.

The Messiah, in scripture, will free the Israelites from oppression and secure a land for them to live in in the same generation (Amos 9:14-15, Mark 13:24-30, and Matthew 16:27-28, however that did not happen for a few hundred years and only gradually.

It was also stated that the Messiah has to be a direct male-line descendant of King David - this would not be true if it was the Holy Spirit who impregnated Mary because he would have no ascendants other than God. However despite this, God still inspired two completely useless and contradictory genealogies to be written into his New Testament.

Matthew's gospel starts with a record of Jesus' genealogy that is introduced with the words 'Jesus Christ, a descendant of David, a descendant of Abraham'. The family tree he gives is however, only of Jesus' step father, Joseph. It is Christian mythology that the Holy Spirit can impregnate virgins, however Matthew seems not to know or believe it. He, as we have seen, does not know or write about Jesus' virgin birth, and he gives Joseph's family tree as proof that Jesus was descended from David. Matthew must have believed that Joseph was Jesus' father, not the Holy Spirit (which was not invented until later in Christianities history).

Luke's genealogy is a completely different one, giving 43 generations from David to Joseph (in contrast to Matthew's 28) and using an entirely different set of names. It was tradition only to list family members that are thought important... but surely Matthew and Luke would have at least picked one in common! At the very least there must be 71 generations between them (unless a large amount of incest has been occurring, mixing generations and such).

It seems that Jesus himself, nor Mary, knew of his virgin birth, or even of his supposed divinity. Likewise Jesus never said he was the Messiah. In the Bible there are many Messiah's, and at that point in time they were common occurrences.

semir,

Nista ja citati necu niti odgovarati dok ti neprdjes iz majmuna u coveka i odgovris na moja davno ranije postavljena pitanja.


1. KAKO MOZE CAK I NEKO IZBOSNE DA OPRAVDAVA MATOROG KRMKA OD 54 (Muhammeda) KOJI JE IMAO SEX SA DETETOM OD 9 (Aisom)? TO JE U STVARI SILOVANJE DETETA.

2. KAKO MOZETE I DALJE TVRDITI DA JE KUR'AN OD BOGA KADA SAM VAM POKAZAO GRESKE CAK I MATEMATICKE GRESKE KOJE SU ZABELEZENE U KUR'AN?

3. KAKO MOZETE DOZVOLITI HODZAMA DA VAM ISPIRAJU MOZAK DA JE CAK UREDU I ZA MUHAMMEDA DA UZME ZENU SVOGA SINA ZAIDA ZA SEBE?

4. KAKO MOZETE NAZIVATI KARADZICA ZLOCINCEM AKO ISTO NEZOVETE I MUHAMMEDA KOJI JE POBIO DALEKO VISE LJUDI?

5. KAKO MOZETE SRBE OPTUZIVATI ZA SILOVANJA KADA JE TO SAM MUHAMMED RADIO I DOZVOLJAVAO SVOJOJ VOJSCI? AKO SU SILOVANJA GRESNA DELA ONDA SU GRESNA I ZA MUHAMEDA I NJEGOVU VOJSKU KAO I ZA SRBE, ILI NISU GRESNA NIZAKOGA.


ZALOSNO JE DA SI TOLIKO INTELKTUALNO UTUCEN DA NISI SPOSOBAN DA RAZMISLJAS SAM ZA SEBE VEC KOPIRAS KRETENSKE SITOVE.

AKO ZELIS DA KRITIKUJES HRICANSTVO IZVOLI PA PROCITAJ BIBLIJU NAUCI NESTO PA ONDA KRITIKUJ. JA SMA CITAO I CITIRAM KURAN I HADITE.

SAMO NAJGLUPLJI LJUDI ZAVISE OD DRUGI DA MISLE ZA NJIH. MORAM BITI ISKREN SVE LJUDSKO POSTOVANJE ZA TEBE SAM IZGUBIO POSTO NEMAS KARAKTERA, INTELEKTA NITI ISKRENOSTI DA ODGOVORIS NA PITANJA.

znas marko onu staru izreku
kurcu govoris muda pukose
e tako je i s tobom.
a odgovore ti niko ne daje jer vidi da si prolupo.
a mi bosanci imamo obicaj da ne pricamo puno s budalama

bajro,

Vi Muslimani imate obicaj da se krijete od istine specijalno kada je protiv vas. Sa obzirom da je Muhammed rekao "priznaj istinu i kada je protiv tebe" vi niste bas nikavi muslimani niti ljudi sa karakterom.

Naveo sam sve istinite podatke iz Muslimanskih knjiga Kur'an i Hadita ali kada vama nestima radije nego da logicnim putem date odgovor spremni ste samo na prostakluk i personalne napade. To samo pokazuje nizak intelekt i primitivizam.

Ako sam ja pogresio igde molim te kazi mi detaljno gde da bi se mogo izvinuti, a ako nisam budi covek i priznaj istinu.


Muhammed njegove zene i sex robinje.

1. Khadija
2. Sawda
3. Aesha
4. Omm Salama
5. Halsa
6. Zaynab (iz Jahsh)
7. Jowayriyi
8. Omm Habiba
9. Safiya
10. Maymuna (iz Hareth)
11. Fatema
12. Hend
13. Asma (iz Saba)
14. Zaynab (iz Khozayma)
15. Habla
16. Asma (iz Noman)
17. Marija (Hricanka koja nikada nije prihvatila islam)
18. Rayhana
19. Omm Sharik
20. Maymuna
21. Zaynab
22. Khawla

Nekoliko stvari treba primetiti sto se gornje liste tice:

Prvih 16 zena su bile muhamedove vencane zene. Broj 17 I 18 su bile sex robinje. Zena broj dva je bila dete od 6 godina kada su je udali za Muhammeda, imao je sex sa njom kada je ona bila devet a Muhammed 54.

Zadnjih cetiri nisu bile ni vencane zene ni robinje vec odate Muslimanke koje su odlucile da se “daju” Muhammedu da bi mu ispunile sexualne zelje.

Zaynab je orginalno bila zena Muhammedovog sina Zaida, fakat da je Muhammed uzeo za sebe je veci problem za shvatiti cak I za Muslimane. (Bog neprekrsi svoju rec nikada I on se nikada nemenja. Sad procitaj Sura 33:36-38).

33:36. Kada Allah i Posalnik Njegov nešto odrede, onda ni vjernik ni vjernica nemaju pravo po svome nahođenju postupiti. A ko Allaha i Njegova Poslanika ne posluša, taj je sigurno skrenuo s Pravoga puta.*

33:37. A kad ti reče onome kome je Allah milost darovao, a kome si i ti dobro učinio: "Zadrži ženu svoju i boj se Allaha!" - u sebi si skrivao ono što će Allah objelodaniti i ljudi si se bojao, a preče je da se Allaha bojiš. I pošto je Zejd s njom živio i od nje se razveo, Mi smo je za tebe udali kako se vjernici ne bi ustručavali više da se žene ženama posinaka svojih kad se oni od njih razvedu - kako Allah odredi, onako treba biti.*

33:38. Vjerovjesniku nije teško da čini ono što mu Allah odredi jer takav je bio Allahov propis i za one koji su prije bili i nestali - a Allahova zapovijed je odredba konačna .

Dali je Muhammed covek vredan postovanja?

Dude, you have got to be kidding me. Didn't you just copy and paste the same crap on another forum?

No I did not, if somebody is copying my posts and pasting them on another forum I do not know about it.

GLUPKO TI MENI ODGOVORI NA SVE OVA PA CU I JA TEBI:

HOW TO SPOT A 'TRUE' CHRISTIAN
by Dale Huxtable
Descriptions and signs of the true believer that Jesus himself set down.

Super Powers- Matt 10:1 And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity.

And Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Can Handle Snakes And Drink Poison - Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.

Can Walk Over Scorpions- Luke 10:19 Behold, I have given you authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy; and nothing shall hurt you.

Must not Fornicate- 1st Corinthians 7:1-40 (Editors note: This is very long so I leave it to the reader to check it out!)

Must Hate Their Family- Luke 14:26 If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.

Does Their Family Hate Them?- Matt 10:21-22 Brother will deliver up brother to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death; and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

Are Perfect- Matt 5:48 You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Keep Women Silent- 1st Timothy 2:11-12 Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.

Can Bend The Will Of God- Matt 18:19 Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.

Can Move Mountains- Matt 17:20 He said to them, "Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move hence to yonder place,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you."

Can Wither Figs- Matt 21:19-22 And seeing a fig tree by the wayside he went to it, and found nothing on it but leaves only. And he said to it, "May no fruit ever come from you again!" And the fig tree withered at once. When the disciples saw it they marvelled, saying "How did the fig tree wither at once?" And Jesus answered them, "Truly, I say to you, if you have faith and never doubt, you will not only do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will be done. And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith."

The Bible tells us that a true Christian is a snake handling, scorpion treading, fig withering, disease curing, mountain moving, poison drinking, God commanding, family hating, woman shushing, sex abstaining and morally perfect as God.

There are many different types of Christians, many sects and denominations. In their pride and arrogance they all claim to be true believers. But it is important to make sure that we have the real thing because Jesus said that there would be many fakers.

In the following passages in the Bible Matt 7:15, Matt 24:23-24, Matt 7:22-23 and 1st John 4:1 Jesus tells us about false prophets, false Christians. When dealing with Christians ask them if they are 'true' Christians. If the answer is 'yes' then chuck them a taipan and stick a few scorpions in their shoes.

da. dozvoljeno je da uzmes zenu svog posinka, ali zato ne smijes zenu rodjenog sina. posinak je posinak i moze ga se tretirati kao bilo kog drugog covjeka kada je zena u pitanju.

a kada je rijec o tolikom broju zena poslanikovih ja to stvarno nisam imo priliku procitati nigdje u nasim islamskim knjigama niti vjerujem da je sve to istinito.
zato imamo kuran u kome je sadrzana sva istina koja nam je potrebna.

*o vjernici, vjerujte u Allaha, i Poslanika Njegova, i u Knjigu koju On svome poslaniku objavljuje, i Knjigu koju je objavio prije. A onaj ko ne bude vjerovao u Allaha, i u meleke Njegove, i u Knjige Njegove, i u Poslanike Njegove, i onaj svijet- daleko je zalutao.*

a evo ti nesto o zenama:

* Zabranjuju vam se: matere vase, i kceri vase, i sestre vase, i sestre oceva vasih, i sestree matera vasih i braticne vase, i sestricne vase, i pomajke vase koje su vas dojile, i sestre vase po mlijeku, i majke zena vasih, i pastorke vase koje se nalaze pod vasim okriljem od zena vasih s kojima ste imali bracne odnose,- ali ako vi s njima niste imali bracne odnose, onda vam nije grijeh,- i ZENE VASIH RODJENIH SINOVA, i da sastavite dvije sestre, - a sto je bilo, bilo je.- Allah zaista prasta i samilostan je.
- i udate zene, osim onih koje zarobite; to su vam Allahovi propisi, - a ostale su vam dozvoljene, ako zelite da im vjencane darove date i da se njima oozenite, a ne da blud cinite. A zenama vasim s kojima ste imali bracne odnose podajte vjencane darove njihove kao sto je to propisano. i nije vam grehota ako se , posloje odredjenog vjencanog dara s njima nagodite.
Allah zaista sve zna i mudar je.

Jel znas ti marko da u bibliji stoji da se krmet'na ne jede? Svi sisari sto imaju papke a ne prezivaju ne smiju se jesti. A vi vlasi opalili po krmadi ko da je jedino meso na dunjaluku. Pa i ponosite se s time, cak se i poistovjecujete sa krmetinom. I treba isto i da se i sunnetite po biblijama, ali vi vise volite da vam glavici smrde, pa da raznorazne kancere izazivate svojim jadnim vlahinjama. Zato nas vase vlahinje vise vole, jebu se sa nama ko stuke, puse nam kurce s apetitom, jer smo cisti. Kad vlah predje 60-tu obicno mu glavic zaraste sa ostatkom bijede, he he , a vlahinji (jadnici) pola pizde mora da operisu i izvade napolje, ZNAM barem 50-tak takvih slucajeva.

Doktor,

Istina je da u starom zavetu su dati zakoni Jevrejima za ishranu. Sa obrizrom da su oni ziveli u klimi u kojoj svinjetina se pokvari jako brzo to je i bilo pametno. Torah ili zakon je dat jevrejima takodje da nam dokaze da nijedan covek nije u stanju da potpuno odrzi Boziji standard i da smo svi gresni. Razlog za zakon je takodje da Jevreje odvoji od ostalog naroda i da ih napravi posebnim.

Isus nam je objavio da krsenje i najmanjeg bozijeg zakona te cini grenim kao da si prekrsio sve zakone, upravo zato nam je potreban spasitelj. Kada su Isusa pitali sta se sme jesti on im je odgovorio "NECINI COVEKA PRLJAVIM ONO STO MU UDJE USTA VOC ONO STO MU IZADJE IZ USTA". To se ocito odnosi i na mnoge na ovom forumu. Novi zavet nas oslobodjava dijetskih zakona.

Bog nam je dao pomilovanje ne zato sto mi to zasluzujemo jer svi smo greni i svi zasluzujemo smrtnu kaznu. Bog od svoje milosti i dobrote je ucinio za nas ono sto mi nikada nebi bili u stanju da ucnimo sa svojim delima. Onoga momenta kada je isus (jedini absolutno perfektan covek) na krstu umro preuzeo je na sebe sve nase grehove i jednom za sva vremna isplatio nasu kaznu. To nam je poklon od Boga koji mi nikada nebi mogli da zasluzimo, ali kao sa svakim poklonom moras ga primiti da bi ga imao.

bajro,

Ja sam zaista izenadjen da ti kao dobar Musliman neznas broj muhammedovih zena. Ajde upitaj hodzu pa mi onda reci,

1. koliko vencanih zena je Muhammed imao?

2. Zasto ordinarnim muslimanima je dozvoljeno da imaju samo 4 vencane zene dok je
Muhammed imao daleko vise?

3. Zar Allahovi zakoni nevaze i za Muhammeda?

Sto se tice uzimanja zene svoga posinka ipak jadno je to, kada odgojis dete u svojoj kuci kao svoga sina onda bi ga trebao i tretirati kao da ti je sin. Ali kada je covek "poslanik" lako je opravdati svaki svoj postupak jednostavno kao dobijes poruku i sve je uredu.

Evo ti lista koju sam ja do sada skupio pa proveri.

Muhammed njegove zene i sex robinje.

1. Khadija
2. Sawda
3. Aesha
4. Omm Salama
5. Halsa
6. Zaynab (iz Jahsh)
7. Jowayriyi
8. Omm Habiba
9. Safiya
10. Maymuna (iz Hareth)
11. Fatema
12. Hend
13. Asma (iz Saba)
14. Zaynab (iz Khozayma)
15. Habla
16. Asma (iz Noman)
17. Marija (Hricanka koja nikada nije prihvatila islam)
18. Rayhana
19. Omm Sharik
20. Maymuna
21. Zaynab
22. Khawla

Nekoliko stvari treba primetiti sto se gornje liste tice:

Prvih 16 zena su bile muhamedove vencane zene. Broj 17 I 18 su bile sex robinje. Zena broj dva je bila dete od 6 godina kada su je udali za Muhammeda, imao je sex sa njom kada je ona bila devet a Muhammed 54.

Zadnjih cetiri nisu bile ni vencane zene ni robinje vec odate Muslimanke koje su odlucile da se “daju” Muhammedu da bi mu ispunile sexualne zelje.

Zaynab je orginalno bila zena Muhammedovog sina Zaida, fakat da je Muhammed uzeo za sebe je veci problem za shvatiti cak I za Muslimane. (Bog neprekrsi svoju rec nikada I on se nikada nemenja. Sad procitaj Sura 33:36-38).

Bajro,

U Bibliji pise da svima nama Boziji zakoni su zabeleznei u srcu i da mi svi znamo istinu kada je cujemo, upravo zato niko nece na sudnjem danu imati izgovor.

Nesumnjam da ti osecas i znas da je gresno za dedu od 54 da ima sex sa detetom od 9.

Takodje nesumnjam da ti znas da je gresno bilo da Muhammed udje u meku i pobije svoje komsije, ljude koje je licno poznavao i sa kojima je ziveo. Meka je samo jedan slucaj koji je cak i u Kur'an detaljno zabelezen a bilo je takvih slucaja za cele vreme nejgovog zivota.

Znas takodje i da je gresno silovati zene a sve to pravdas za Muhammeda.

Sa tim cinom postajes i ti saucensik u njegovim delima.

PS:

Vaznije je "biti u pravu" nego priznati istinu. Kada budes stajao pred Isusom na sudjenm danu i kada ti kaze, Znao si istinu zasto si je obio. Staces mu reci?

e sto si ti marko vickast debil.

ja cu na sudnjem danu stajat pred Bogom, a ti sto se mene tice mozes i pred svetim savom.

cuj pred isusom. bas si me nasmijao.


upali bolan svjetlo kad budes nekad, ako budes jebavo. kazem ti- nije nikakva prikaza. picka ne ujeda.
i slobodno je smijes pogledat, koliko je to moguce naravno, buduci da se ne brijete.

bajro,

Da si ti iakav Musliman znao bi da je tvoj "poslanik" u Kur'an rekao da ce na sudnjem danu Isus suditi. Zar ti neverujes u Kur'an i nazivas Muhammeda lazovom?

Zamisli ja pokusao sa tobom pricati o istoriji, verama i filozofiji a ti i neznas sta verujes i zasto.

Bre kakav je ovo balija kada neveruje svom poslaniku Muhammedu i u Kuran? Ma Bajro ocito ti si Srbenda i to je to. Nema bolan nista od Muhammeda davno je taj pedofil istrulio i on je svoje odsvirao.

Pa u biblijama ne pise nigdje da je bas Jevrejima zabranjeno da jedu krmetinu, nego svim sljedbenicima. Pa eto, vi to opet modifikujete po svom cejfu. Po svom cejfu ste i izmislili nacin na koji je Isus napravljen, serete se u bibliju jer je ne postujete. A znate i sto ne morate da je postujete - zato sto je to jedna velika izmisljotina i bajka. Znaci ako je isus okajo grijehe svih vlaskih papana, onda oni mogu da rade sta hoce, sve ce im biti oprosteno. Koja ste vi govna.....

e moj marko.
muhamed je najavio d ce se na sudnjem danu pojavit isus i ubit sejtana, a Bog ce nam sudit za grijehe majmune jedan redardirani.

mene nije stvorio isus nego Bog i ja cu na sudnjem danu stati pred stvoritelja.

shvatas li ti da velicanjem isusa zanijeces postojanje boga.

nemas ti pojma o islimu medjede jedan.

prouci dobro svoju vjeru pa onda nama soli pamet.

Za Doktora govnologije,

Ocito ti si pokupio sve svoje znjanje po klozetima dok si krisom zavirivao, dok pravi muskarci piske.

Posto koristis rec Vlah bas cesto a pojma nemas ni sta znaci moracu te malo uputiti. Vlasi su narod koji je iz Romunije se naselio u neke delove Srbije, i govri svoju posebnu vrsiju Romunskog jezika i dan danas. Da si ikada ostisao do Negotina onda bi video Vlahe. Po ponasanju i intelektu su daleko iznad tebe i ti to nazlost nikada neces postici, posto su ti geni zenute i tu spasa nema. Sto se Vlahinja tice veoma su slatke i pametne a u krevetu vatra, ako se nedrzis dobro zavrsis na plafonu. Iako taj narod po genima nije Srpski narod Srbi su po nacionalnosti jer su rodjeni i odrasli u Srbiji, nikoga nediraju zive svoj zivot bez problema i frke, znaci Muslimani bi mogli od njih dosta nauciti pa onda nebi bili najprimitvniji narod na planeti. Kada bi Muslimani bili kao Vlasi Bosna bi bila puno naprednija. Vids kada Muslimani koji zivi u vecnom primitivizmu, zeli da sebe vidi u boljem svetlu a nisu sposobni da se uzdignu, preostaje im samo da pokusaju da spuste nekoga drugog da bi se osecali bolje. Cak i Turci su prezirali vase karakteristike pa su vam dali ime BALIJA. Balija je Turska rec koja oznacava najgoru vrstu Muslimana u slucaju da nisi znao.

Kazes:

"Pa u biblijama ne pise nigdje da je bas Jevrejima zabranjeno da jedu krmetinu",

Nepostoje Biblije vec Biblija, nauci nesto pre nego sto das komentar pa ces zuviciti puno pametniji. Biblija daje zabranu za svinjsko meso Jevrejima ali za razliku od islama Bog je dao Jevrejima tu zabranu pre nego sto su pocrkali od pokvarenog svinjskog mesa. Allah/Hubal/Muhammed se nije setio da da zabranu dok mu jedna jedinica nije pocrkala od pokvarene krmetine.

Kazes:

"Pa eto, vi to opet modifikujete po svom cejfu". Zabrana je data Jevrejima ne ostalim narodima a Isus je sam rekao da coveka necini prljavim ono sto mu udje usta vec ono sto mu izadje iz usta, Mora da je mislio na Muslimane kada je to rekao. Bog je takodje znao da mnogi narodi zive u hladnijoj klimi i da svinjetina tu nije problem.

Kazes:

"Po svom cejfu ste i izmislili nacin na koji je Isus napravljen"

Procitaj Kur'an pa ces videti da je i pedofil Muhammed rekao da je tako.

Kazes:

"A znate i sto ne morate da je postujete - zato sto je to jedna velika izmisljotina i bajka".

Posto je Bibliju Bog dao svetu davno pre nego sto se Muhammed pojavio i copirao razne delove Biblije, a i paganskih prica u Kur'an mozes samo reci da je Biblija orginal a Kur'an lazna kopija.


Kazes:

"Znaci ako je isus okajo grijehe svih vlaskih papana, onda oni mogu da rade sta hoce, sve ce im biti oprosteno. Koja ste vi govna".

Ne to uopste neznaci da Hricani mogu raditi sta hoce. Bog nam je dao oprostaj ako smo iskreni vernici a iskren vernik ce se drzati Bozjih zakona. Znaci ako krsis Bozije zakone nisi iskren vernik i nisi Hrican.

IZVINI...JAO,ZAR TE JA TREBAM DA TE UCIM...ODKADA JE U BIBLIJI NAPISANO DA VRIJEDAS LJUDE?ah,samo nesto.....cekaj,nadam se da imas osamnest godina....ti si napisao da je muhamed vodio ljubav kad mu je zena imala menstruacije a po tvome 9 godina....samo,da znas,po islamu zagrljaj nije voditi ljubav(al mozda u tvojoj primitivnoj kulturi jeste) i....al cekaj,ovo je samo za odrasle,mozda za tebe nije....ako imas 18 godina citaj inace ne dijete moje drago,mogao bih se prepasti...samo da znas,djevojka nemoze imati menstruacije sa 9 godina...ah,jos nesto,cekaj,cekaj,u bibliji pise da zemlja se krece oko sunca...postoji stvar,za koju mozda ne znas...fizika...da,hajmo zajedno,f-i-z-i-k-a,koja govori da nije bas tako...istina je da zemlja se krece oko sunca,AL NEMOJ PREVISE MISLITI O TOME MOGAO BI TI SE MOZAK PREVISE OPTERETITI!ah,ti koji govoris da je muhamed pedofil...marija je rodila isusa negdje od 14 do 16 godina...a ko bi ono isusu otac?ah,u bibliji je napisano da je bog dao ljudima najvise 120 godina zivota...al u francuskoj je zena zivjela 128 godina...

Captain Gradascevic,

Auuu bre sve ovde ljudi sa titulama cinovima i intelektom nevidjenim.

Kazes:

IZVINI...JAO,ZAR TE JA TREBAM DA TE UCIM...ODKADA JE U BIBLIJI NAPISANO DA VRIJEDAS LJUDE?

Biblija zahteva da uvek kazemo istinu cak i kada neko je nezli cuti. Istina nemoze nikako vredjati samo laz bi mogla da vredja.

Kazes:

ah,samo nesto.....cekaj,nadam se da imas osamnest godina....ti si napisao da je muhamed vodio ljubav kad mu je zena imala menstruacije a po tvome 9 godina....samo,da znas,po islamu zagrljaj nije voditi ljubav(al mozda u tvojoj primitivnoj kulturi jeste)

Jesili ti pusio neku travku pre nego sto si ovo napisao? Ja to nisam rekao to ti je zabelezno u Haditima na Muslimanski vecni ponos.

Sahih Muslim (by Imam al-Mawawy), vol. 3, p. 577
Bukhari's Hadith, translated into English by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, at the Islamic University in Medina. vol. 7, #65.

Kao sto vidis posto ja samo citiran gore navedene Islamske podatke, mozes se zaliti onima koji su to napisali ne meni. Ako je u pitanju vredjanje oni te vredjau ja samo ponavljam sto su oni zabelezili. Kada su pitali Aisu da bi napisali Hadit ona je sama izajvila da je Muhammed IMAO SEX (ne zagrljaj) sa njom prvi put kada je bila 9 i tvrdila je da je vec imala prvi menustralni ciklus. Zar nije sramota da ja tebe Muslimana moram uciti o tvojoj veri? Jadno je to kada ljudi sebe nazivaju vernicima Islama a pojma nemaju sta ta vera zaista uci. Sto se primitivizma tice islam je poznat po primitivizmu. Dali moze ista biti veci primitivizam nego kada deda od 54 ima sex sa detetom od 9, ili kada krmci koji veruju da je Muhammedov cin uredu to urade sa devojcicama od 7 kao oni sto su to ucinili u Ruskoj skoli pre nego sto su pobili decu? Silovanje dece je takodje cinjenica u Indoneziji gde Muslimani to redovno rade hricanskoj deci, naravno prvo kazu Allah akbar pa onda siluju. Vera koja odobrava: silovanje dece, ubijanje ljudi drugih vera, odescanje ruke zbog sitne kradje i odobrava sex robinje zvuci veoma primitvno. Ako covek zaista veruje sto ga Kur'an uci onda mora ziveti u primitivizmu sedmog veka Arabije.

Kazes:

"da,hajmo zajedno,f-i-z-i-k-a,koja govori da nije bas tako...istina je da zemlja se krece oko sunca,"

Pa dali se krece oko sunca ili ne? Fizika nas uci da se zemlja krece oko svoje osovine i sucna dok se ceo solarni sitem vrti oko super masivne crne rupe u centru galksije a galksija odmice od centra universuma. Nista tu nije netacno. Naravno tu se Biblija razlikuje od Kur'an gde pise da sunce zalazi u mutan izvor i izlazi na specificnom mestu na zemlji. Mora da je to mastanje nekoga primitivca sedmog veka Arabije.

Kazes:

"ah,ti koji govoris da je muhamed pedofil...marija je rodila isusa negdje od 14 do 16 godina...a ko bi ono isusu otac?"

Gde si ti nasao te podatke da je Marija rodila Isusa kada je bila 14-16? Ocito ti ili imas bujnu mastu ili malo si opet poceo pusiti travke. Isusov otac je Bog i stvoren je bez sexualne unije u tome se cak i Kur'an slaze sa Biblijom.

Kazes:

"ah,u bibliji je napisano da je bog dao ljudima najvise 120 godina zivota...al u francuskoj je zena zivjela 128 godina"

U Bibliji takodje pise da mi sa svojim cinovima mozemo skratiti ili produziti svoj zivot, znaci 120 ti je dato lose stvari koje cinis ti skrate zivot a dobre produze a takodje invaormentalna situacija i bolesti mogu uticati.

SMANJI DROGE NIJE TO ZDRAVO.

Response to Marko:

Kazes:

"Posto koristis rec Vlah bas cesto a pojma nemas ni sta znaci moracu te malo uputiti. Vlasi su narod koji je iz Romunije se naselio u neke delove Srbije, i govri svoju posebnu vrsiju Romunskog jezika i dan danas. Da si ikada ostisao do Negotina onda bi video Vlahe. Po ponasanju i intelektu su daleko iznad tebe i ti to nazlost nikada neces postici, posto su ti geni zenute i tu spasa nema. Sto se Vlahinja tice veoma su slatke i pametne a u krevetu vatra, ako se nedrzis dobro zavrsis na plafonu. Iako taj narod po genima nije Srpski narod Srbi su po nacionalnosti jer su rodjeni i odrasli u Srbiji, nikoga nediraju zive svoj zivot bez problema i frke, znaci Muslimani bi mogli od njih dosta nauciti pa onda nebi bili najprimitvniji narod na planeti. Kada bi Muslimani bili kao Vlasi Bosna bi bila puno naprednija. Vids kada Muslimani koji zivi u vecnom primitivizmu, zeli da sebe vidi u boljem svetlu a nisu sposobni da se uzdignu, preostaje im samo da pokusaju da spuste nekoga drugog da bi se osecali bolje. Cak i Turci su prezirali vase karakteristike pa su vam dali ime BALIJA. Balija je Turska rec koja oznacava najgoru vrstu Muslimana u slucaju da nisi znao."

Prvo, pod broj 1. - ne kaze se Romunija, nego Rumunija. Eto koliko si pismen.
Pod broj 2. - Vlah ti je pojam koji su Turci donijeli istovremeno kad su vlasima kolonizovali Bosnu. A kolonizovali su je vlasima da bi im oni branili granice, cuvali Otomansku imperiju, a da bi usput imali sta da jebu. I Turci su znali da su Vlahinje vatrene, zato su vas i pravili stoljecima Ja polazim od pretpostavke da kad su Turci uveli ime Vlah da su oni znali zasto su to uradili, i da tu ima nekih historijskih fakata.

Kazes:

"Nepostoje Biblije vec Biblija, nauci nesto pre nego sto das komentar pa ces zuviciti puno pametniji. Biblija daje zabranu za svinjsko meso Jevrejima ali za razliku od islama Bog je dao Jevrejima tu zabranu pre nego sto su pocrkali od pokvarenog svinjskog mesa. Allah/Hubal/Muhammed se nije setio da da zabranu dok mu jedna jedinica nije pocrkala od pokvarene krmetine."

U Bibliji, u Starom Zavjetu (edition nr. 1 ) stoji da se ne smije jesti nista sto je sisar, ima papke a ne preziva. Ne stoji nigdje da je to izricito zabranjeno samo Jevrejima, nego svim vjernicima. Pravoslavni narod na bliskom istoku (n p r Libanci krscani) se toga i dan danas pridrzavaju. Samo su evropska govna nasla za shodno da svoju vjeru izvitopere.

Kazes:

"Procitaj Kur'an pa ces videti da je i pedofil Muhammed rekao da je tako."

Vjera me ne interesuje puno, pretpostavljam da su obojica (i Isus i Muhamed) jeli govna kad su gradili svoje religije. Isus je prema svim zakonima NAMA poznate prirode jedno kopile. Ide mi samo na zivce da ti crnis jednu religiju dok drugu kujes u zlato, premda obje imaju debelih nedostataka i cudnih stavki. Ti koristis tu pricu isklucivo zbog mrznje a i zbog psihickih problema. Naporan si s time, shvati to.

Kazes:

"Posto je Bibliju Bog dao svetu davno pre nego sto se Muhammed pojavio i copirao razne delove Biblije, a i paganskih prica u Kur'an mozes samo reci da je Biblija orginal a Kur'an lazna kopija."

To samo za sebe jednom normalnom i iole obrazovanom covjeku govori koliko si zatucan i u kojem vijeku se nalazis (7. otprilike). Idi malo u neku skolu pa se obrazuj. Odbaci papanluk sa sebe, jedan zivot zivis, nemoj da ga provedes u tom 7. vijeku, nego u danasnjem. Ne budi mentalno retardiran nego stvori nesto konkretno u svom zivotu, to ti je moj prijateljski savjet. Druzi se sa ljudima, budi pozitivan. Ne daj da te predrasude vode. To ti je dobro zbog tvog licnog socijalnog statusa. Kad ljudi oko tebe primijete da si psihosocijalni gad, svi ce da bjeze od tebe, i to ce da se odrazi na tvoj licni prosperitet. Zar je to ono sto ti hoces?

Kazes:

"Ne to uopste neznaci da Hricani mogu raditi sta hoce. Bog nam je dao oprostaj ako smo iskreni vernici a iskren vernik ce se drzati Bozjih zakona. Znaci ako krsis Bozije zakone nisi iskren vernik i nisi Hrican."

Hriscanstvo dozvoljava sljedece: Jedan manijak u toku svog zivota pobije i pokolje sve na svom putu. E, prema kriscanstvu, dovoljno je da se on iskreno pokaje na samrti, pa da mu se svi njegovi grijesi oproste. Satanskijih stihova od tih i takvih neces naci nigdje!!

e drugovi,posto Marko samo Copy/past na anti-islamskim sajtovima odite na forum "svima koji su mislili o Markovim lazima o Islamu" vec se usutio na nekolko odgovora...ah,na tvoje pitanje za bosnjak,Ja sam bosnjak i bosanac....sta jos...ah,necemo srbiju nad nama....mh...to je sve.

Ufffffffff sada si se bas izjasnio super "drug" islamske vere pa covece biti Musliman je dovoljan jad a jos i komunista pa tebi zaista spasa nema.

Kako ti to uklapas sa obzirom da je bog komunzima partija, a kuran ima svoga boga meseca i plodnosti stare arabije? U stvari za vodje komunizma bog je bog njihove masonske vere djavo a za islam bog meseca i plodnosti je u stvari takodje djavo pa uklapa se zaista.

http://www.ritualabusefree.org/Freemasonry%20and%20Satanism.htm

http://www.cuttingedge.org/free16.htm

http://www.freedom-ministries.com/leo-taxil-fraud/

http://www.giveshare.org/babylon/

standardno za marka,neko iznese relevantne podatke a on nekog drugog spomnje..toliko o neistinama jel markec.........samo ti po svom.......hajd sad o onim svojm samo tebo karakteristricnim redoslijedom o muhamedu etc,etc.....ma momak je priglup a i nepismen.....doktoritet(doktorat),pa aboracija(abortus),pa romanije(nije planina nego drzava rumunija)....i jos mnogo toga.....a jos nije ni zadacu koju sam mu dao uradio.....PRIMITIVAC I NEZNALICA....al on ce se opismeniti jednog dana.....limburga mjeseca.....

legionar,

JA VOLIM ISTINITE PODATKE, PROBLEM JE U TOME STO U ISLAMU ISTINE NEMA A NAZLOST NI U ISLAMSKIM VERNICIMA.




Kur’an Sura 18:86) Kad stiže do mjesta gdje Sunce zalazi, učini mu se kao da zalazi u jedan mutan izvor i nađe u blizini njegovoj jedan narod. "O Zulkarnejne," - rekosmo Mi - "ili ćeš ih kazniti ili ćeš s njima lijepo postupiti?"

(Kur’an Sura 18:90.) I kad stiže do mjesta gdje Sunce izlazi, on nađe da ono izlazi iznad jednog naroda kome Mi nismo dali da se od njega bilo čime zakloni.


GDE SU TA MESTA NA ZEMLJI GDE SUNCE ZALAZI I ODAKLE IZLAZI?

Kur'an Sura 86:6. Stvoren je od tekućine koja se izbaci,
Kur'an Sura 86:7. koja između kičme i grudi izlazi,

BUDALO PRIMITVNA SPERM TI SE STVARA U MUDIMA NE IZMEDJU KICME I GRUDI. KAKO MOZES BRANITI I POKRIVATI TAKVE LAZI KOJE KUR'AN IZJALJUJE?

ja sam bosanac ali neosijecam kao musliman.netreba si biti muslimam da se bude bosanac.
pored toga sam siguran da nisam srbin!
staje onda sa muslimanskom manjini u srbiji koji nisu albanci.jesu li onda oni bosanci ili srbi?
moze sve svak proglasiti onome sta on god hoce ali pasos muje vazan.
moze se biti siguran da bosanci se neosijecaju kao srbi kad se pogleda sta su srbi naprivili u bosni.vecina od onih koji su bili ubijeni su bili muslimani,je li su sebe smatrali kao muslimanima ili su samo imali muslimansko prezime.
zasto bise u ostalom bosanci osijecali kao srbi?
mi imamo nasu domovinu koja se zove bosna i hercegovina a ne srbija.
pravoslavci i katolici iz bosne se smatraju ko srbi ili respektivno hrvati.ali vecina od njih nikad nije vidjela ni beograd ni zagreb.
u ostalom jedan moj prijatelj ima srpki pasos ali se smatram bosancem.
tvoje pitanje je toliko nepotrebno kao naprimjer da se trebe pitati da li se hrvati osijecaju kao muslimani ili bosanci.


vrlo glupo pitanje.

prije nego sta zaboravim,
ja sam morao napustiti bosnu ´91 i zbog toga izvinite ako negom se vrlo dobro izraziti.

samir,

Tvoje ime tvrdi da si iz Muslimanske familije nastao a to sto se neosecas Muslimanom je pohvalno, bar neko se izvukao iz islamske tame. Za sve ostale narode je neshvatljivo zasto bi neko zeleo ziveti u tami sedmog veka u dvadeset i prvom veku. Islam je uzeo lupetanje neobrijanog primitvca sedmog veka arabije (Muhammeda)kao da je to zaista Bog rekao i zato su Muslimani najnenapredniji narod na svetu. Islam i satanizam su jedine vere na svetu koje odobravaju pedofiliju, nasilje, silovanje, pljackanje i masovna ubistva. Zato je Islam uvek bila i ostala vera primitivizma, trorizma i bede. Kada Izrael sa populacijom od 6.7 Milijona moze da proizvede vise naucnih dela za godinu dana nego sav Islamski svet u zadnjih 14 vekova sa populacijom od 1.2 Bilijona to ti kaze puno o tami u kojoj islam drzi svoje vernike. Islamu nisu potrebi ljudi koji koriste mzak vec samo oni koji ce rado ginuti da ostvare cilj vodja islama.

Tvoje pitanje za one ljude drugih vera koji zive u Srbiji je jednostavno Srbi su oni ljudi koji su nastali od juznoslovenkg naroda i odrzavaju pravoslavnu veru, ostali su narodi drugih vera i vecina njih se neoseca da su Srbi cak i kada su rodjeni u Srbiji posto su ih hodze tako vaspitali. Islam zeli da osvoji svaki narod sa kojim zivi a to naravno konacno dovede do konflikta. Nazlost onaj rat u 91 je bio samo decija igra u poredjenju sa onim ratom koji ce konacno doci ako islam nepromeni svoj cilj, ostali svet nezeli da se vrati u sedmi vek.

Postoje samo dve ocpije, ili ce islam prestati sa nasiljem i osvajanjem ili ce narod koji je to prihvatio nestati sa planete.

dragi marko,
ja netrebam da budem veliki musliman da se moram distancirati o tvom misljenu.
ti bio morao prvo pogledati na svoju vjeru i znati kritizirati svoje prije nego sto ti nekoga zoves primitivcem.prvo to.
a drugo,ja se distanciram organisvane religije zato sto bi ja dasao u velike konflikte sa svojim misljenem i sa svojom moralom.
nije istina da islam je tako taman.
u bosni naprimjer je daleko liberalniji nego u drugim zemaljima da dodemo ponovo do pitanja.
ja znam naprimjer da se u bosni muskarci i zene klanjalu u jedoj prostoriji u dzamiji.ti vidis,moze se i drugacije.
ja se distanciram i od organizovane religije i to implicira isto i hriscansku vjeru zasto i cirkva govori vrlo lose o homoseksualcima,abortijanju i zenama.
ako se rekne da ima u islamu umotane zene onda se treba pogledati zene u crnom pravoslane vijere i njihov patriarchy(engleski,sorry).
iskrenoti moram reci,da je rat u bosni protiv muslima i etnicko ciscenje,silovanje itd bilo daleko primitivnije i daleko vise mracno nego ista sto su muslimani u bosni napravili.
ja znam prica koje su se desili mojoj familiji,komsijama i prijatelima koje ti nebi htio cuti,vjeruj mi...
crkva se samo u tome reformirale da vise ne ide kroz cijeli svijet i misionira i ubija ali misljenje koje sam ja vec opisao ostalo je isto.

samir,

Ti mi malo zvucis kao ataista ili neko ko zeli da pretvri Boga u nesto sto ti zelis da je.

Prvo moramo logikom doci do zkljucka dali Bog postoji, ako nepostoji onda je sva prica o njemu prazno lupetanje ali ako postoji onda moramo ustanoviti sta su njegovi zakoni i pokoriti se tim zakonima. Vodje komunizma/masoni su bili u stvari odani vernici njihve satonisticke vere dok su narod ubedjivali u ataizam.
Satanizam je vera u diametricnoj apoziciji Hrscanstvu i nije bas ni cudo da bi satanisti zelei kao prvi korak da ubvede narod da nema Boga pa konacno i postepeno da ih prevuku u svoju veru. Komunisti su zaista bili veoma uspesni u tome.


Dali Bog postoji?
Jedina ocpija ako nebi u Boga verovali je da je sve nastalo od nista. dali je to uopste logicno?

Najnovija teorija u fizici poznata pod imenom M-theory i resava mnoge probleme koje Ajnstajnova teorija nemoze, tvrdi da su sve ceste(svi delici onoga sto postoji) u stvari samo rezonantna frekfencija/zvuk od 10 struna. Biblija tvrdi da je Bog recima komandovao da se universum stvri, nejgov glas/glasne zice bi imale rezonantu frekfenciju.

Ako Bog postoji onda on ima zakone a jasno nam je da universum funkcionise pod jasnim zakonima. ako skocis sa desetog sprata garantovano je da ces se razbiti na primer. Ako u zivtu pravis neprijatelje konacno ce te ti nepriatelji srediti, to bi mogao reci da je moralni zakon. Odakle ti zakoni poticu ako nema Boga? Ako je sve nastalo od nista i konacno se vraca u nista onda zaista universum kao i ljudski zivot je totalna glupost i uopste nema razloga zasto postojimo niti ljudski zivot ima ikvoga smisla. Dali si ti ikada video primer da je nesto nastalo od nista? To bi islo protiv svih zakona fizike. Nemoguce je dobiti nesto od nista. Znaci nije nimalo logicno smatrati da je sve nastalo od nista. Mislim da svak od nas duboko u dusi zna da postoji Bog.

Ako Bog postoji onda nemamo opciju da gradimo svoju licnu veronauku vec da prihvatimo ono sto je on izjasnio o sebi. U svetu postoje mnoge vere i svaka tvrdi da je jedna jedina i ispravna. Ako pogledamo u sve vere sveta veoma brzo shvatimo da u stvari sve paganske vere su jedna te ista vera u istog boga pod raznim imenima i psoljnim obicajima posto je svako pleme imalo svoje ime za svoga boga ali takodje jasno je da su sve to vartijante vavulosnkih tajni.

Ostane nam samo Islam Hricanstvo i Jevrjska vra sada da resimo. Islam je doneo Muhammed a njegovo pleme je verovalo u boga po imenu Huball a zvali su ga Allah. Arapska genericna rec za Boga je Robi ne Allah. Allah je specificna rec koja se samo koristila za boga bogva Meke Hubala (boga meseca i plodnosti). Svi obicaji Islama su bili koristni i od strane Hubalovih vernika. Meka je bila centar njegovog kulta, kaba je bila njegova kuca na krov kabe su stavljai njegov kip a kasnije samo njegov simbol, mlad mesec, simbol islama. Njegovi simboli su bili mlad mesec i tornjevi u obliku muskog uda. Pored svake dzamije ces naci toranj u obliku muskog uda (simbol plosdnosti)a na vrhu dzamije mlad mesec. Muhammed je doneo novu poruku iako je Biblija davno pre zabelezila da nece biti nove poruke i Muhammedove poruke se kose sa svim najvecim istinama Biblije. Ocito Muhammedov bog nije Bog Biblije vec nesto drugo a muhammed je pokusao ubediti Hricane i jevreje da je u pitanju isti bog oni su ga odbili upravo zato sto su shvatili da nije u pitanju isti Bog.

Od pocetka pa do kraja staroga zaveta glavna tema je spasitelj koji ce doci i jasno je da je to Bog u ljudskoj formi. To su jevreji oduvek znali i verovali. Stari zavet kao i novi nas uci da je universum u ratu da je jedna trecina andzela se odvojila od Boga i sa djavolom na celu da pokusavaju osvojiti universum i Boziji prestol. Nemoj rec rat shvatiti kao oruzani sukob, ali ipak je u pitanju forma revolucije protiv Boga. Klanja koja su se desila u Bosni u ovom zadnjem ratu, samo potvrduju djavolsku inspiraciju ljudi koji mogu ciniti takva dela. Nijedan koljac nije od Boga i takav za Boga nezna vec je djavoska sluga u pravom smislu reci kao sto je i Muhammed bio kada je poklao svoje komsije u Meki.

Ako procitas Novi zavet postane jasno da je u svakom smislu samo ispunjenje staroga zaveta i kaze nam da nece biti nove poruke do ponovnog Isusovog povratka. Daje nam takodje prorocanstva i objasnjenja za ono sto dolazi. Ukratko svet ce biti gurnut pod jednu vladu i na celo te vlade ce doci covek koji ce u pocetku imati resenja za sve ljudske probleme naravno on ce doneti i novu veru koja je u stvari samo presvucena vavulonska vera drugim reicma satonizam pod maskom.

Naveo si da Biblija lose prica za homoseksualce aborcijama i zenenama. Neznam odakle potice tvoja ideja da Biblija ista lose kaze o zenama naprotiv kaze da ih volimo kao sami sebe i kao sto Bog voli covecanstvo.

Homoseksualizam je prevrsija prirode i tu je defintvno djavo umesao prste. Bog nije stvrio dva muskarca vec Muskarca i zenu. Posto je covek stvren u Bozijem liku kada dva uskarca imaju sex to je i poniznenje za Boga.

Aborcija je nesto poput zrtvovanja beba na djavolskom oltaru. Bog daje zivot i mi nemamo pravo da ubijamo nevine bebe. Djavolu i dimonima su potrbne ljduske zrtve i pre su ih dobijali na oltaru a sada u bolnicama i na ratistima. Sa kavim pravom mo mozemo da oclucujemo ko ce da zvi a koga da ubijemo? Kava je razlika izmedju doktora koji ubije nevino dete i nekoga ko je klao po Bosni?

ja vidim da se mi ne slazemo.
mogli bi mi diskutirati do kraja svjeta ali ja bi zelio moju energiju drugazije uptrbiti.
ja mozda nevjerujem u boga ali ja to kod drugi postujem ako oni rade.ja imam moje misljenje i pustim drugima.

samir,

Ako nepostoji Bog kako je onda universum nastao?

Kako je zivot na ovoj planeti poceo? Evolucija je pala i svaki iskren naucnik priznaje da ta teorija se vise nemoze spasiti.

Zamisli ovako Rubics Cube (kocka sa raznim bojama) gde moras sloziti sve boje (neznam kako se kaze na nasem jeziku)ako bi dao tu kocu slepom coveku da je lozi sta mislis dali bi uspeo?

Sada zamisli da ceo solarni sistem napunis sa slepim ljudima svaku planetu i sav prostor izmedju planeta i da im das Rubics Cube. Koja je sansa da bi svi ti slepi ljudi u isto vreme resili Rubics Cube? To ti je ista sansa da samo jedna celija ljudskog DNA se stvori slucajno. svaka celija ljudskog DNA ima u njoj instrukcije kao 600 enciklopedija i da je sve to samo od sebe nastalo slucajno je nemoguce. Najednostavnija celija zivog bica na planeti je uzasno komplikovana i nemoguce je da je nastalo samo od sebe.

Dali si ti ikada video primer da je bilo kava forma zivota nastala od mrtvih kemikalija?

Jus Primae Noctis Pravo prve bracne noci



Paja Jovanovic, Kicenje neveste/Adornment of the Bride

Jus primae noctis or droit du seigneur is actually the right to sleep with a nubile (young and sexually attractive) servant before turning her over to her servant husband (the right by which a landlord may sleep first night with the bride of a newly married serf), although the custom maybe avoided by the payment of a fine. Jus primae noctis ili droit du seigneur je pravo prve bracne noci, zapravo pravo bega (ili rjedje age) da provede jednu noc sa buducom zenom svoga kmeta (mladom i seksualno privlacnom) nakon cega bi je predao dalje kmetu, iako se ovo moglo izbjeci otkupom (placanjem izvjesne sume novaca).

The plot of the opera Le Nozze di Figaro (The Marriage of Figaro) by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart is mainly based on the Jus primae noctis. Figaro and Susanna are to be married but Count Almaviva the lord of the castle near Seville in Spain will take advantage of the Jus primae noctis and spend a night with the bride. Zaplet u operi Le Nozze di Figaro (Figarova zenidba) od Wolfganga Amadeusa Mocarta je zasnovan na pravu prve bracne noci. Figaro i Susanna se spremaju za vjencanje ali grof Almaviva gospodar dvorca kraj Sevilje u Spaniji zeli da iskoristi svoje pravo i provede jednu noc sa Sussann prije Figara.
This right was widely practiced in Europe especially in countries under the Ottoman rule (provinces of the Ottoman Empire were: Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Bosnia) until the very end of the 19th century. To pravo je siroko praktikovano u Evropi i posebno u zemljama Otomanske Imperije (provincije Otomanske Imperije su bile: Grcka, Bugarska, Srbija, Bosna) sve do kraja devetnaestog vijeka.
The right held itself to the end of the 19th century in Russia. In America this right (unofficial) existed up to the civil war with the slave holding of the American Southern States. To pravo je prestalo u Rusiji u XIX vijeku. U Americi je to pravo (nezvanicno) postojalo sve do gradjanskog rata u vezi sa robovlasnistvom u juznim drzavama u Americi.


The picture, painted by Paja Jovanovic, shows a bride preparing for the wedding night. The first night he is going to spend with her landlord. Landlords (beg, aga) were usually from Turkey but there were many local noble birth converted to Islam to save their privileges when the region was controlled by the Ottoman Empire.
* The right was used on a braid of a feudal dependant or servant. They were Christians and the right wasn't used on Muslim brides.

On the day before her wedding the young Christian bride will be visited by a representative of the landlord (beg, aga). The representative is usually accompanied by a file of soldiers. The representative takes the bride to the house of the landlord for a day and a night, and returns her to her home at dawn on the wedding day.
Na slici, koju je naslikao Paja Jovanovic, prikazana je mlada koja se priprema za prvu bracnu noc. Tu prvu noc ce provesti kod bega. Begovi su obicno bili Turci mada je bilo lokalnog plemstva koje je preslo na Islam da sacuvaju svoje privilegije za vrijeme vlasti Otomanske imperije nad Balkanom.
* Pravo prve bracne noci je vazilo za mlade kmetova ili slugu. One su bile hriscanke (vlahinje) jer muslimani nisu bili kmetovi.

Na dan udaje hriscanska (vlaska) mlada bi bila posjecena od strane jednog begovog (aginog) predstavnika obicno u pocasnoj pratnji jednog odjeljenja vojnika. Predstavnik bi zatim odveo mladu do begove (agine) kuce gdje bi provela dan i noc a zatim bi je otpratio nazad njenoj kuci u jutro na dan vjencanja.

An interesting detail on the picture is that all women on the picture are dressed in traditional oriental (Turkish style) clothing. Under the Ottomans textile styles has influenced by Islamic tradition. Even present-day words for textiles are often derived from the Islamic world, such as damask from Damascus.

Women wore "dimije" (it looks like baggy trousers) of thin, often gold-woven, silk brocade, emphasizing the female figure.

In Islamic countries, both men and women continue to follow tradition, concealing their hair in public under headcloths, turbans, fezzes, or veils. Women on the picture except the one on the right have their hair covered with a shawl (also called shamija or mahram) according to the Islamic custom.
Ono sto je zanimljiv detalj na slici je da su sve zene na slici obucene u tradicionalnu orjentalnu odjecu turskog stila. Za vrijeme Otomanske vlasti stil oblacenja je bio pod uticajem islamske tradicije. Cak i danas se koriste nazivi tekstila nastali u islamskom svijetu kao na primjer damast po gradu Damasku.
One nose dimije (koje lice na siroke hlace) od tankog cesto zlatno prosaranog tkanja koje isticu zensku figuru.

U islamskim zemljama i muskarci i zene nastavljaju da slijede tradiciju pokrivajuci kosu u javnosti nekim pokrivalom za glavu: turbanom fesom velom. Zene na slici osim one na desoj strani imaju pokrivenu kosu salom (zvanim i samija, marama) u skladu sa islamskim obicajima.

1998 Yugoslav postal authorities issued 4 stamps dedicated to national customs. The motif on the stamp of 6,00 din. value is the painting "Dressing/Adornmnet of the Bride" by Paja Jovanovic
Jugoslavenska posta je 1998 ovom obicaju posvjetila jednu postansku marku iz serije "Narodni obicaji" na kojoj je slika Paje jovanovica.



Back/Nazad

28th May 1998/Uppdated 2005

Murat,

Zasto se budala uvek oseca da mora dati komentar pa da svi znaju da je budala?

Pa covjece Boziji, koju si ti imitaciju Kur'ana citao?! Smijesan si, al fakat kad valjas takve gluposti! To sto si mozda nasao na netu o Kur'anu, koje je pisao neki glupson, mozes fino macku o rep. Jer na netu, koji nudi sve i svasta 100% neces naci pravu istinu o svemu. Znas li ti idiote jedan, da u Kur'anu stoje neke stvari koje je nauka tek u 20. st. uspjela dokazati? Kako je jedan Poslanik mogao to znati, ako je on pisao Kur'an kako tvrde mnogi nemuslimani? Takve stvari mogao je znati samo neko ko je iznad covjeka, neka sila koja covjeku nije ravna a to je jedan i jedni Bog - Allah. Pa kako ste vi samo u zabludi! Hej, vama je bog covjek!! Ali covjek! Ima li to imalo smisla? Ako si vec citao Kur'an pametnjakovicu, daj molim te citiraj mi jednu suru koja kaze da je Muhammed pedofil. Ma pojma ti nemas ni kako Kur'an izgleda, a kamoli da si ga citao. I ko kaze da je Kur'an izmjenjen, da su originali zapaljeni i zamijenjeni nekim drugim? To moze izmisliti samo tvoj mozka velicine graska koji se vodi jednim jedinim izvorom odakle crpi sva ta sranja o Islamu. Pa tacno da ima ispada kao i svaka religija. Ja se nikako ne slazem da covjek uopce ima vise zena od 1, ali da je Muhammed imao 20 zena i da je vodio ljubav sa devetogodisnjakinjom......ma molim te, postedi nas toga. Prvi put za to cujem od tebe. A vjeruj mi ja sa ljudima koji o tome znaju pricam puno i jos nijedan nije izvalio takvo sranje.
Vi se molite i Isusu i djevici i ovome i onome. Vama je Isus i Bog i Sin i sve. Pa kako jedan Isus koji je bio covjek moze sve to biti???? Kako? Kako jedan kip moze roniti krvave suze? Kako su to vidjeli samo neki odredjeni ljudi, kako to nije vidio svaki Isusovac? Kako moze biti 3=1???
Gdje li ti samo nalazis one HADISE, ne hadite kako ti kazes...samim tim dokazujes da lazes.
A zašto oni ne razmisle o Kur'anu? Da je on od nekog drugog, a ne od Allaha, sigurno bi u njemu našli mnoge protivrječnosti.
(Prevod značenja Kur'ana, 4:82)
I ja sam luda, kad nekom retardiranom idiotu pokusavam dokazati nesto sto samo od sebe dokazuje ono najispravnije.
Pricas kako citas "Kuran i hadite" a samo Bog zna sta si ti citao. Kad procitas Kur'an onda se vise uopce neces javljati ovamo ni pricati kojekave gluposti o Muslimanima i Islamu.

Prvo da si neki Srbin..nazalost i nisi neki..trebao bi da procitas kapitalno djelo J Dedijera 1900 i neke Hercegovina

J Dedijer je cijenjeni etnolog i geograf..kao Cvijic samo on se bavio bas porijeklom prezimena kod Muslimana tj Bosnjaka

i tako za KUsturice on kaze e oni su Ciganskog porijekla..mjesali se sa Srbima..Turcima..dolaze iz nekog sela kraj Bilece

Da li ti smijes nazvati lazova najcjenjijeg Srpskog historicara pogotovo etnologa..da li smijes da pljunes po Sanu..koji su se slozili sa njegovim djelom i proglasilo Kusturice ciganima

Najpominjem godinu dana prije rata KUsta je rekao nema veceg Turcina..od mene..a Kustin stari je slavio ciganske obicaje koje je naslijedio od djeda

Ali to je to..vi od jednog cigana zelite da stvorite Srpsku naciju

HVala vam mnogo.uzmite gaga haha

Ti si ionako glup..nisi Srbin..hej ja sam BOsnjak glupane ali znam vise od tebe Srpske historije

Nisam ni procitao cjeli tvoj post jer sam odmah vidio da...LAZES
hehe moj marko
Kad si ti pricao fakat si izgledao neki naucnik...fakat.
Ali jebes ga pravi naucnici ne lazu.
Kad si ti rekao da je polumjesec simbol tog nekakvog Boga...
hehe
Polumjesec i zvjezda su bili jedan od nekadasnjih simbola carigrada/kostantinopla pa su turci uzeli taj simbol i tek onda je postao jedan od znakova islama.
Hehe nemam ni volje da procitam ostale stvari pa bolan bjedan si sto hoces da lazes ljudima...hehe,a i za ostale sigurno se istina moze naci,samo sto ja za raazliku tebe imam socjalni zivot,nem volje da provodim cjeli dan sereci ljudima o njihovim religijama,kao sto si jedno predvodio da je Muhamed rekao da ce otici u onom starom Hramu pokazao sam ti da lazes,a i za mnogo ostalih stvari...a i sada!...c ya Marko

kAO STO REKOH,PA SRBIN BI I MATER SVOJU PRODA ZA PAR CENATA!!!

ja sam rodjeni bosanac i kazem ti nema ljudi nigdje na zemaljskoj kugli kao sto ih ima u bosni.
Mi smo genijalci a i u krevetu smo svjetski cjenjeni jebaci.
Povici ono sa 'retarded' da te je ne bi hvatao u ruke.

Rodjen sam u Bosni i volim Bosnu. Mozemo se zavaravati da je mjesovitost vjera i kultura bogatstvo ali vrijeme pokazuje da je to za Bosnu prokletstvo. Dobri bosanci su nazalost postali manjina i hvala dragoj USA sto ne da da je lokalni fanatici rascerece. Kako neko rece ameri udaraju tamo gdje treba, tamo gdje su fanatici a u Bosni ih ima u velikim kolicinama ali su trenutno na lancu i nadam se da ce tamo i ostati. Nemam neko osobito misljenje o islamu kao religiji, posebno nacin kako se tamo tretiraju zene (ali nisu li one podcinjene u svakoj religiji). Ipak vidim ovdje dosta nazovi Srba koji pljuju po muslimanima zato sto su oni muslimani, i kazu islam je religija koja unazadjuje. Srbija je hriscanska zemlja, a ipak je po GDP-u apsolutno posljednja u Evropi. Braco Srbi, znate li daje Srbija najzaostalija zemlja da li znate da je Albanija 100% naprednija, Bosna 200%, Hrvatska 500%. Znate li da je kolicina turbo-folka direktno proporcionalna zaostalosti zemlje. Da mi je istocni susjed Njemacka bio bih jako srecan, ovako sam jako nesrecan jer vidim jad i bjedu vecu nego u Bosni. Ja vjerujem da Republika Srpska treba da opstane u Bosni za dobro BiH. Ne pripadam niti jednom narodu u Bosni, a eto mozda je volim vise nego ostali. Braco Hrvati i posebno Bosnjaci, ne pokusavajte demontirati RS. Svjestan sam da ce trenutno stanje ostati nepromjenjeno pa bar 100 godina, dok Srbi zaborave prikljucenje Srbiji, Hrvati Hrvatskoj i Bosnjaci da imaju sve.

Ne znam koliko su religije same prokletstvo Bosne, a koliko je sama politika. Kao Srbin iz Bosne, mislim da ona moze opstati samo kao jako toleranta drzava, a tolerancija je upravo ono sto Bosni fali trenutno. Bosna je to sto jeste, zajednica razlicitih naroda, koji tek treba da nauce nesto o vodjenju drzave. Ti narodi se iz raznoraznih, populacijskih i istorijskih razloga ponajvise, bore za primat u Bosni. Time jedino vuku jedni druge na dno.

Srbi zele pojacanu saradnju sa Srbijom, Hrvati sa Hrvatskom. Obe zajednice zele decetralizovanu drzavu u kojoj ce moci da samostalno kreiraju svoju politiku. Bosnjaci_Muslimani zele centralisticku drzavu u kojoj ce oni sjediti na resursima i vladati iz Sarajeva.

To sto Srbi i Hrvati vuku svako na svoju stranu, je uvijek Bosnjake stavljalo na iskusenje, i trazilo od njih da se prilagode. Bosnjaci koji su zivjeli u pretezno srpskim opstinama, su bili zato upuceni i vezani za srpske prilike, a Bosnjaci u hrvatskim za hrvatske.

Danas se to ponovo od njih trazi. Bosna nije, niti ce ikad biti Srbija niti Hrvatska, jer su to jednonacionalne zemlje. Bosnin put je u otvorenosti, decentralizaciji, pomirenju unutar zemlje, i narocito sa susjedima. To je put koji zahtjeva najvise od Bosnjaka, i oni moraju da pokazu velikodusnost, znanje i toleranciju. Sudbina im je namjenila da oni budu to vezivno tkivo bez kojeg Bosna ne moze opstati.

Srbi i Hrvati moraju zauzvrat da se odreknu separatistickih tenzija. Svijet nece dozvoliti cijepanje, a svu saradnju neka postizu kroz posebne povlastice koje Bosna mora uspostaviti sa Hrvatskom, Srbijom i C.Gorom.
Za razliku od mnogih ovde, mislim da Bosna moze opstati, cak biti i prilicno dobrostojeca. Ali prvo treba predsjednistvo BiH da se rastrci po Beogradu, Zagrebu, Podgorici i da se maksimalno otvara prema njima.

Neki Bosnjak se pita sada - zasto bi oni to radili kad su najvece zrtve rata, i kako ja mogu da im serem o toleranciji nakon svega ovoga. Mogu jedino da ponovo kazem da je cijena toga jedna normalna i prosperitetna Bosna, drugacija, ali ne i losija od drugih zemalja. Ako neko ne misli da je vrijedna toga, neka odmah sidje s vlasti i prepusti onima koji Bosnu vole da za nju rade.

can i ask a few questions to Muslimani(bosniaks)...y is that u cant see that you are croatian??? read all the facts and it tells you that you are...and dont tell me that you are decendants from bogomils...because that is a sect... bogu mil....pray to god...it was a sect a bulgarina man spread and became popular in
BiH...read evry history book use speek croatian you arcroatian..if it wasnt for the turks, yugoslavija and then finaly izetbegovic you wud still call your self croatian
and even if you say yo are bosnian..tell me sumfin...croatians established a kingdom kralj tomilsav befor any of the serbs and you bosnian people (if you reely existed)...so therefore croatians have been living in Bih longer than any other ethnic group..so y do claim to the world as if we are foreigners to "your" homeland....that croatians are trying to take land from the bosniak people...even if you go by ur versian of historyy we have been in Bi h land longer than yous..so u dont hav complete right to say its urs..but the truth is you were there befor us because u are croatians..the same people..

Hrvatska Do Drine

Preporucujem svima sljedecu stranicu http://boreokoociju.blogger.ba/ ko bude zelio da procita neka ide od pocetka od 16 aprila.

Daj marko majke ti dosta tvoje demagogije....isti si kao i tvoj "presednik sloba".....seres "celo" vreme i na kraju ces sam da lizes......

Who are Bosnian Muslims or so called “Bosnians” or “Bosnjaks”
They are new cloned “Nation” , primarily developed by Yugoslav communist regime and the west.
Turkish despised them because of their cloned artificial quasi Turkish nature. Serbs and Croatians despised them because they used to be Serbs who betrayed their people and religion.
West Considers them as potentially dangerous Islamic theorist of Europe.
As a result of this majority of them are depressed people with enormous number of inferiority complexes and other mental disorders.
Nobel price winner Ivo Andric, the best, described their psychological profile in his books
“Na Drini Cuprija” and “Travnicka Hronika”

Rich Saudi man looking to marry nice Bosnian virgin girl

I am looking to marry some nice Bosnian virgin girl as my third wife, but with special privileges. I’ve heard, from my friends, they are god Muslim women who likes us Saudi man, and also they can produce lots of children as our future jihad soldiers. If you have to recomend me ither some your sister or your cousin, please do not hesitate, my email:

Salim @ yahoo.uk

Allah Akhbar

Bujrum sada svi na Nas novi “Bosnjacki front forum”
http://p097.ezboard.com/bbosnjackifrontforum

Emir Kusturica zna da je srbin

Marko pa ti samo ponavljaš jedno te isto. Da možda smo mi i bili Srbi, ali da nam je bilo dobro ostali bismo u toj vjeri, zar ne?

Irma,
Da li se u drugu veru prelazi radi ekonomskih i drustvenih benificija, kao sto je bio slucaj sa vama?
Mislim da ti znas da je vecina Srba preslo u islam braneci svoje porodice i da su cak tajno slavili slavu iako su presli u islam.

E moj Barjo ti stvarno neznas istoriju. Pa zar nisi znao da jr rec KURAN nastala od srbske reci KURAC. To je samp jos jedan dokaz da ste vi balije nastali od srba. AA izabraliste rec KURAC za svoju svetu rec zato sto ste bili najnizi nepismeni srbski stalez.

Kako i Bosnjaci i Hrvati i Srbi na ovom forumu izpadase seljaci ...
... a jedino zaljubljeni shiptar pametno odgovori!