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MASOVNA SILOVANJA TOKOM/TIJEKOM RATA

February 15 2006 at 6:40 AM
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Masovna silovanja na Balkanu zauvijek bice zauvijek jedna od najsramotnijih, najmracnijih stranica u povjesti Balkana.

Da vas pitam, bila su masovna silovanja rezultat planirane vojno-politicke doktrine zaracenih strana ili rezultat primitivnog ratnog "muzjackog" oportunizma ?

Po ocjenama UNHCR-a bilo je silovano nekoliko tisuca zena.
Od onih, koje su zatrudnjele vecina odlucila se na namjerni pobacaj.

Medjutim neodredjeni broj zena i djevojaka odlucio se na porodjaj.
Bas kao zenu i humanitarca jako me interesuje poslijeratna sudbina one dijece ?
Zapravo pitam korisnice/korisnike iz BiH (Jadranka/Rosa/Bajro) gdje takvih slucajeva bilo je najvise.

Pozdravljam sve napacene i hrabre zene Balkana.
U ime mojih prijateljica sirom Evropske Unije saljem vama izraze nase zenske solidarnosti.
Saluti, Carla

 
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February 15 2006, 12:38 PM 

karlita nista se ne boj tebe kolko si grdna ka pas nebi niko silova ni da mu plate !

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Stovani Bajro, Ruzo , Jadranko

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February 16 2006, 7:40 PM 

Molim vas odgovorite po mogucnosti na pitanje, iz uvodnoe poruke/teme.
Zasto nitko na balkanskim forumima nece govoriti sa mnom o pitanju masovnog silovanja tokom balkanskih ratova 90-ih godina ?


 
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February 16 2006, 8:23 PM 

sta se tu ima govorit. nit sam bio silovan nit licno znam nekog ko je bio silovan. fala bogu.


 
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Varvarstvo nad zenama

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February 16 2006, 8:34 PM 

Stovani Bajro ,
Ovdje se govori o tisucama zena i dijece kao poslijedica silovanja. Malo se cudim sto nikad nisi cuo o tim strahotama.
Ako mozes pitaj se jos naokolo drustvene ili vjerske celnike na ovu temu.
Nikad ne mozemo zaboraviti ovo varvarstvo nad neduznim zenama.
Carla

 
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February 17 2006, 5:43 AM 

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"Himmler was their Defender!"
The SS Handzar Division Lives on in Bosnia


The photos below were published in the weekly magazine, Svijet, or World, in Sarajevo, Bosnia, in 1997.

The photos were taken during World War II, but they provide a glimpse of the truth about what really happened during the recent Bosnia war, and what is happening today. The issue of what really happened in Bosnia is crucial to understanding the role of aggressive Islam in all parts of the world, and of those who sponsor it.

During the Bosnian war we were constantly told by the media that the Serbs were racists who persecuted Muslims and fought against the supposedly moderate Bosnian Muslim government of Alijah Izetbegovic. Citizens in the NATO countries believed this media fiction about Bosnia because it was all they heard and saw, or thought they saw. And seeing is believing.

We were told Mr. Izetbegovic was a great moderate, and the Sarajevo weekly magazine, Svijet, supported Mr. Izetbegovic. So isn't it curious that Svijet's pictures and captions, scanned and posted below, fondly remember a World War II Nazi SS Division made up entirely of Islamic Fundamentalists from Bosnia?

This SS division was called Handzar, which means Scimitar, the curved sword of the Ottoman Empire. The US-backed Bosnian leader, Mr. Izetbegovic, was enamored of Handzar. He even set up an army division, commanded by Islamic terrorists from Albania, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Arab countries, and called it Handzar. According to a recent Dutch report, the US sponsored the Islamic terror specialists who traveled to Bosnia to train and indoctrinate Izetbegovic's troops. (1)

Svijet's Handzar nostalgia articles were published October 26th, and November 2nd, 9th, 16th and 23rd, in 1997. The captions have been translated verbatim. We wrote some explanatory notes which appear in red.

The translation was done by the linguist and culture historian, Peter Maher (2), who also provided information for the notes. When we were about to post this page, Prof. Maher pointed out that we hadn't explained the significance of the fez, the hat which was part of the Handzar uniform. The fez was widely worn in the Ottoman Empire and symbolized both Muslim fanaticism and Ottoman power, under which Bosnian Muslims ruled over Orthodox Christian Serbs and Jews. These Christians and Jews were what is known under Muslim religious law as dhimmi people; their inferior status had legal sanction. By setting up a division of Muslim troops wearing the fez, the Nazis were appealing to Islamic fanaticism, and promising a return to the Ottoman spirit. (To show how seriously Himmler and Hitler took their alliance with Islamic fanatics, one of the captions makes a special point that even the Handzar division's German commanding officer was required to wear the fez.)

Regarding the Handzar division, the "Encyclopedia of the Holocaust" writes:

"These Muslim volunteer units, called Hanjar (sword), were put in Waffen-SS units, fought Yugoslav partisans in Bosnia, and carried out police and security duties in Hungary. They participated in the massacre of civilians in Bosnia and volunteered to join in the hunt for Jews in Croatia..."
-- Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Edition 1990, Volume 2, page 707

The civilians whom Handzar massacred were mainly Serbs and Roma ('Gypsies'). They also slaughtered Jews, wherever they could find them.

When Mr. Izetbegovic resurrected this Waffen SS division he was telling Serbs, Roma and Jews: "Handzar is back!"

Jared Israel, Petar Makara and Dan Chukurov

 
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February 17 2006, 5:08 PM 

ma cuo sam ja svasta, al ne moram preicat o necem o cemu malo licno znam.

to se desava cak i bez rata pa nikom nista. kad god je kakva frka toga ima.

al pricali mi il ne pricali tome pomoc ne mozemo


 
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February 28 2006, 2:12 AM 

Bajro i Carla,

Veoma je interesanto i znacajno da Bajro nenza nikoga licno ko je bio silovan. Za vreme rata Bosanska vlada je tvrdila 200,000 silovanih muslimanki a da je to istina nema sanse da iko u Bosni nebi licno znao nekoga ko je silovan. Koji borj je istina a koji propaganda zaista bi voleo znati.

Ako bi zaista znali celu istinu i odvojili one zene koje su posle dobrovoljneog sexa sa komsijom zatrudnele pa posle ispricale pricu broj bi verovatno bio daleko menji nego sto je i sada.

U svakom slucaju nesumnjam da je bilo silovanih zena i svako slilovanje je grozan i nedopustljiv cin koji mogu izvesti samo najgori elementi drustva koji nemaju moc da osete grizu savesti. Nazlost ti kriminalni elementi postoje na balkanu kao i svuda po svetu.

Posle zemljotresa u San Francisku bilo je silovanih zena i pljackanja. New Orleans
takodje za vreme poplave je bio centar silovanja i pljackanja. Zalostan komentar na covecanstvo ali istinit.

 
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