Did Kelsey-Hayes make disk brake parts for Ford, and/or Mercury in 1967?
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Would these calipers fit on my 63 R Code? Better yet, can anyone give me a list of factory parts that would allow me to put either front wheel, or better yet 4 wheel non-power disk brakes on my car.
I know that there are complete aftermarket kits available. However, unless, these aftermarket kits are much less expensive, I'd just as soon use factory parts from other Ford products that are compatible, and reasonably easy to find.
Every other sentence from the seller is an excuse. some one said this .... I think that these are ... I'm not sure about that. Buying pig in a poke, for $200; with no real information is not a bargain.
Either hit the junkyards yourself, check the archives for information on which factory take-offs work or save up your money and buy a decent, already scienced-out kit.
Besides, the Kelsy-Hayes brake are more curiosities than something you find most guys Swapping "To". They are expensive to maintain, the pistons have a tendency to stick/rust. I did mention expensive to rebuild, maintain and difficult to find replacments for - they are an 'orphan' system.
Unless I were restoring a Factory 7-liter (1966 on up) and wanted a class winning effort, or I had access to a full and free parts car - I would find a solution which provided me with more modern, easier to maintain parts.
This message has been edited by beoweolf on Aug 12, 2008 1:16 PM
those are the large k/h calipers off 65 66 thunderbird. they were also used on 66/67 galaxie and up to 69 lincohn's
lin used 5x5 bolt pattern tbird and galx 4.5x5 pattern
and yes they are ford products.ok made for ford.
for working on 64 galx I DONO dont own 1
most of other parts are still available---hardest part to get is hub-- as replacement rotors come hubless.
check with sell what bolt pattern is.so your wheels will work.as i said hubs are realy hard to find because they were used on the 69/70 boss302 trans am race cars.
This message has been edited by TA28 on Aug 12, 2008 1:33 PM
I would call MasterPower Brakes about their disk brake conversion kit for your car. During the conversation ask them what year & make spindles/calipars/rotors/master cylinder are use with the conversion kit since you were concerned about servicing those parts after they were installed.
With that information you can hit the boneyard for the spindles and the parts store for the stacked calipars & rotors. I would assume the brake lines would be from the same make/model/year the only other parts to figure out would be the tie rod ends.
This message has been edited by pcode390 on Aug 12, 2008 1:59 PM
Yes, 65-7 Ford Merc, and 63 R Code per F.I.A. document and other sources.....
August 12 2008, 3:20 PM
The later Ford Merc one piston spindle/caliper/rotor will bolt on but the geometry is slightly off due to design for a different track width and/or wheel base. They work but the different geometry causes tires to scrub on turns; the sharper the turn, the more they scrub. I went thru all of this. Also, you have to use later wheels that are 15" (to clear the caliper)and have the big center hole.
I don't know if this E Bay guy is legitimate, but I jumped at the chance to get a 4 piston KH set up from a 65 wagon. 65 T Bird calipers and rotors were the same but the spindles were way different. Tried it.
They 65-7 Ford Merc units are correct for retrofitting an R Code. I can fax you docs to support this if you need them. They have the proper geometry. They can use the earlier small center hole 14" or 15" Ford wheels. R Codes were 15". The only thing you need is a 4 1/2 to 4 1/2 adaptor 1" thick for each wheel to clear the caliper. Otherwise you have to hunt up the extremely rare wheels with the special offset to clear the calipers.
I have never had any problems with mine. Earlier posts have stated that the 4 piston KHs were much more precise than the later one piston units, but one piston units were much cheaper to produce.
Black 63 1/2 XL R Code
Gray 65 289 Falcon Ranchero
I am researching brake upgrades for my Mustang, and those
August 12 2008, 3:23 PM
may be the T-bird parts like i want to install on my Mustang, 12" rotors, 4-piston calipers.
I will be buying NEW calipers from, NAPA or Auto Zone for about $100 each and a pair of rotors for about the same. Id rather take the new parts, then a rusty froze up set of junk... for almost the same $$$.
Ford used to sell the adapter for the spindles, but now Mustang guys are making them to fit other spindles.
1967 FE 390GT engine: 416 CID 233/238* @ 0.050 Solid Lifter w/ 4 spd TL.
1968 GT/CS Mustang. 289/c4
1995 Mercedes e320 I6 DOHC, 216 HP wagon.
2003 Tundra SR5, 4.7 DOHC, 4x4.
Another Galaxie (one day.)
Oh and a Bicycle - daily driver to save gas for the 'F'un 'E'xcursions.
This message has been edited by TorinoBP88 on Aug 12, 2008 3:24 PM
call Master Power Brakes in Mooresville,N.C. and ask for Pat. He will fix you up with a complete disc brake kit for less than 800.00 bucks. You use the stock spindles. Kit uses 71' full size LTD 11&7/8ths rotor and a 71'-72' Chev truck caliper. All new parts, even a quart of fluid and everything else you need. Don
I agree, the K-H calipers aren't really worth the xtra effort.
August 12 2008, 5:19 PM
Don't get me wrong, the Kelsey-Hayes 4-piston calipers work great. They're just really difficult to get service parts for.
For instance, the generic part number for the brake pads is D1. That's it, just D1. The pads only come in organic, no semi-metallics or copper-ceramics to choose from, only riveted or bonded, depending on the manufacturer. And if you go up to the part guy and ask for pads, he'll get you some from '68 and on Fullsize Fords, and when you ask for D1 pads by number, he'll just laugh. Took some good part guys an hour of searching and calling on the phone to Raybestos to get the right number.
You can still get the piston seals and O-rings from Napa, but I don't know for how much longer. If your pistons or bores are rusty, replacements even with an acceptable core are spendy.
The hoses are next to impossible to find, and if you need replacements you'll have to have them custom-made. They don't use banjo-type fittings, they use a screw-in hose like the drum brakes, except neither the threads on the wheel side, nor the outer mounting surface of the frame side, nor the length of the hose match the drum brake version.
The rims with the special offset, as Hollis mentioned, are tough to locate as well. If you go with spacers and more-or-less standard rims, you'll probably need extra-long wheel studs, which are made by ARP, but it seems when I bought 10 from them in 2004, they were $90 for a package of 5.
I don't know about the rotors yet, as I haven't had to replace them.
And to make it worse, there are actually two versions of this caliper, but I'm not sure how they're different, as I haven't had two side-by-side to compare. There's a Mustang version and a Fullsize version, and I believe they were an option in '65, but those are different than the 66-67 version.
So, if you choose to go the Kelsey route, good luck.
They DO reproduce the K/H calipers for Mustangs. I purchased a pair new castings made in the US for $220. I just did the swap over the winter and they work GREAT!! They very well could be different than the full size car calipers though.
67 Mustang fb FE 431ci
This message has been edited by steveheer on Aug 12, 2008 5:53 PM
mustang is much smaller in size to the tbird and will not bolt up either 1 to either set up.(bird won't fit stang-stang won't fit bird)you need special bracket and drum spindle to bolt tbird caliper onto stang.oh forgot and tbird rotor/hub.
parts are availble but calipers i would have rebuilt by SSBC but they dont do that type of work anymore.
as for pads hawk make them and so do portafield but later is race compound.for lines have SS braid made be done with it -cross overs are aval at classic tube.
Looks like those Ford four calipers are not so popular. Oh well if someone would like a pair, I have them. With new pads and rebuild kits ( steel pistons and seals )for the calipers. I also have the rotors with hub. Used but good. They came off a '67 Mercury full sized wagon. I have two of the wheels also.
kelsey hays for big fords came on 65 t birds and lincolns and in 66 and 67 moved onto galaxies as well--great calipers but sticking problems well noted by all and stainless steel linings and pistons solve problem. I did this thru Post Brake Restorations---spent about 600.00 just to rebuild the calipers--but used to be my uncles car and he swapped his old 57 drums for brand new 66 rotors/calipers off a 66 7-litre car--the 7 litre owner was determined to use some wire wheels he bought but would not fit the discs--brand new car so my uncle said no problem i will swap over the brakes for you.--nostalgia made me spend the 600.00--if had to do it again for about that money can get SS brakes caliper/rotors/pads--the whole ball if wax.--I have also used 68-72 big galaxie many a time--get the spindles and all--they bolt right up--rotors are available and reman calipers at auto zome about 50 bucks---only problem i have had is the hub is larger and early galaxie wheels wont fit--gotta use the wheels from 68-72--just swome thoughts
I have some of those calipers to sell too. In my opinion, rebuild them and they'd be the best choice. The 66-67 disc brakes were serious performance brakes and later years just got cheaper brakes, not better.
Why do you think Baer and Brembo and AP don't make single piston, small rotor "upgrade" kits? A 67 Mustang or Galaxie had the biggest most powerful brake possible to stuff into the 14" or 15" wheels they used.
I bought rebuilt calipers for my 67 Fairlane Duel Kelsey Hayse from Auto Zone they ordered them for me I think they were 68 each w exchange but I think there is a high core charge Hope that helps alittle