Anyone done any race builds with the Victor? Stroker or whatever n/mDecember 5 2017 at 5:49 AM
|Gary Blair (Login GB3351)|
Re: Anyone done any race builds with the Victor? Stroker or whatever n/m
|December 5 2017, 6:33 AM |
My brother is doing a race stroker 390 now.
The Victor certainly needs alot of work - not just a port match.
Yes, there are several folks that race the Victor 427, one
|December 5 2017, 6:42 AM |
is Dan Ficher, in a '64 Fairlane. He wins quite regularly, and posts here on the FE Forum. Beautiful car, and very consistent. Joe-JDC
Re: Yes, there are several folks that race the Victor 427, one
|December 5 2017, 11:05 AM |
I have ran 5 different 1x4 intakes on my 428 CJ in my Fairmont, they were an Offy Port O Sonic (unported), a Streetmaster (ported with minor plenum mods), F427, (port matched), a Ford Sidewinder,( port matched, and with the center divider cut down), and a Victor (un ported). My 428 used stock iron CJ heads, a big solid flat tappet cam , 11 .5 compression, and to be honest, they all performed very similarily, with the automatic it ean 10.5s at 126 MPH, with the 4 speed 10.0s at 132 MPH. When I had the automatic, the Victor was not available yet, all the others were used on the automatic, the Sidewinder was the best by a small amount, so when I switched to the stick, I retained the Sidewinder, and then tried the Victor a bit later. Although the Victor was a bit slower that the Sidewinder, I would have to think a port match would help the Victors numbers, as the ports are fairly small to start with. The main reason I even bothered to try the Victor unported, was that it was on back order for over 6 months before it finally arrived, so I just had to try it as soon as I got it! (although it did require some cutting to fit the engine). One day I would like to try the Victor on the 427 w 428 crank that I last used in the car, along with my Tunnel Wedge and 660s, and maybe a pair of aftermarket heads. Maybe my mildish combo was not moving enough air to "need" more intake manifold (or carb).
JDC did the work on my Victor
|December 6 2017, 8:34 AM |
Joe thank you for the kind words but you left out the fact that you did the work on that intake sir..
Gary, what is it your fishing for?
|December 5 2017, 11:56 AM |
I run a street /strip type car. 445",10.5 comp, cam at 50- 264/272 solid lifter @660 lift, victor intake (stock) edlebrock heads (stock), Holley 950 hp/1 inch spacer. dyno @ 536 HP at 6200 RPM/468 Torque @ 5300 RPM. 31 degrees total. on pump gas.
Victor Street / Strip build
|December 5 2017, 1:00 PM |
I have a friend that wants to build a 505. We were discussing some options. I wanted to
|December 5 2017, 3:58 PM |
use Jay's adapter with a long runner Weiand TR. He likes the Victor with a 1250 Dommy.
|December 5 2017, 1:28 PM |
Not even sure of the number. We've used them many ways, many times. If you fix the last four inches of the ports, and work a little in the plenum, they can get very good. Big engines respond better to them. In my Super Stock stuff, before we raised the ports too high to use a Portosonic, an 8300 rpm 428 was just about
the same on the track with a mildly worked Victor vs. a severely worked Portosonic. They were only hundredths apart, if that.
Blair in your builds where does the Victor usually make peak power on the pump? n/m
|December 5 2017, 3:54 PM |
Where peak occurs......
|December 5 2017, 4:29 PM |
Depends on many factors. Big 505 peaked at 6400....Super Stock 427 around 7800. Cam, cross section, c/r, cubes, etc.....lots of things can alter when peak happens.
Thanks Blair. Factors affect peak for sure. n/m
|December 5 2017, 10:11 PM |
9.17 @ 149 in 2700 lb car
|December 5 2017, 2:16 PM |
489 stroker with a 950 carb.
Have a 1050 now, was the same 5.83 in the 1/8 but only had one chance to tune it.
Victor and Ebok heads were prepared by Joe Craine
Very nice Mario. n/m
|December 5 2017, 3:50 PM |
|This message has been edited by GB3351 on Dec 5, 2017 3:51 PM|
I've run one for 15 years, on two different engines
|December 5 2017, 5:58 PM |
first was a mild 428, in a stick shift car, was very consistent. Since I was bracket racing and running for points I just shifted at 6500, but being a 4 speed, never saw below 5000 the entire run.I ran a 750 Dominator first, then had it converted to a 1050. I ported the intake and the Edelbrock heads. Ran 10.50's at 3600#
I built a 427/487 stroker, and used my buddies better BT MR heads, ran the same intake but went to a slightly larger carb. It ran email@example.com at 3560#. A few months ago I changed the heads to my BT HR and went with a custom HR adapter that Jay machined to my specs, I still had to do a lot of hand and mill work to make it work with a certain cast single dominator intake. I used the same carb, but I never really got a good pass yet, went a few 9.70x in bad air at my local track, and did run a 143.12 MPH in good air (different track) but the track was cold first hit in the AM and I spun bad, rolled back into it, so not a good ET (was still a 9.702). Next pass it hooked and I put it on the bumper... and it stayed up even in second gear, when it came down I smashed the headers and oil pan pretty bad. I was done for the year as this was a late season race.
For a single 4 normal FE intake, I think it would be the best choice for a drag car. I think in Jay's testing, it goes around the RPM intake for power at 4800 RPM or so. On a 505 it would be way ahead at high RPM. I think a 2x4 tunnel ram would still be better though, but not by a lot.
Nice running beastie there XR7. I like tunnel rams. They are worth a bunch on a 385 over a
|December 5 2017, 10:22 PM |
Portosonic, Shelby DP, SK, and H&M manifolds. Haven't tested a Weiand against a 385 Victor though. There are some mods that can be done to the TR like more CSA for the runner entries. More plenum etc. There are two different Cleveland Weiand TR's. A short open runner one and an older closed longer runner one. An Edelbrock UR-19 would be interesting to try.
The UR-19 with two Dommies would probably work super slick on a 500 inch motor...
|December 6 2017, 3:02 AM |
Nice looking C-460 stuff Brent. Profiler? n/m
|December 6 2017, 5:35 AM |
|This message has been edited by GB3351 on Dec 6, 2017 5:40 AM|
Profiler canted valve stuff.....565 inch pulling truck engine. n/m
|December 6 2017, 5:40 AM |
Not a race build, but I love my EFI verson on the street
|December 6 2017, 4:36 AM |
My 489 has had a Victor since 2009, it made a big difference over the RPM, both were ported.
The engine is a 489 cid FE, 10.7:1, KC Edelbrock heads (started as early version of Stage 2 then hand ported), ported EFI Victor with 1200 cfm throttle body, Erson 286/294, 242°/256° @.050 .595 lift, 110 on 106, but instead of .024 lash I run at .014 so a little more snotty. TKO-600 with a 4.11 gear set.
I couldn't ask for a better behaved combo. The RPM with a 1000 Holley ran great too but the worked Victor comes on much stronger mid and upper end and still happy in 5th gear. I consider the heads and intake did a good job offsetting the comparatively mild cam
- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 445 cid FE, headers, RPM intake, 1000 HP series Holley, 4 speed