March HMM Joe S Fairlane & othersFebruary 10 2018 at 9:07 AM
WerbyFord (Login werbyford)
I saw Joe's post in photos so looked again at my HMM, and Gonkulated it a bit:
While in that issue I noted the letter pg56 from Richard Peterson. Seems like an unbiased old racer so I read carefully.
* He says he had a 312/225 FORD - was that factory? I thought that was Bird and Merc only? If so then I believe his stories - that would be more than a match for any 56 and most 57 Chev's, stick or certainly glide cars.
* He also says the 406/405 cars ran better (vs his 409) than the 427-8v cars. Ok, that sounds odd somehow. He says his 409/409 ran 13.78 at 104, about right for open pipes and a late-62 409, but there are numerous open pipes 427 Gals/Mercs running 105 +/-, even in the old road tests.
I wonder how he would get that impression, that the 406 was so much stronger than the 427 ? Maybe a particular CAR from back in the day? He is from the "D", the "3 and a third", the "313" so I thought some of our old locals might add to the story....
|February 10 2018, 2:17 PM |
I had a good bud (passed last year) that hated 427s back in the day he ran a 57 with a 390-375 he traded the 390 a a lot of cash for a 427 it was the biggest dog he ever owned he said. He was smart and could tune one and drive when he built his last truck I had a 427 he could use but he took a 360 and did a 390.
You ran the numbers for me on this car,
|February 10 2018, 3:17 PM |
on august 29,2006.Can't seem to find it with search,but I have a printout of it.I was also perplexed by the comment on 406 vs 427 !
Another Joe S.
Found this thread...
|February 10 2018, 4:02 PM |
Yep,that's it. n/m
|February 10 2018, 4:27 PM |
Wow 2006 that was a while back. Which crank, 3.78 or 3.98?
|February 10 2018, 6:26 PM |
The old Gonk from 2006 has the 3.984 crank, but HMM says 3.784 crank.
I also used the older, better flowing Edel heads back then for that Gonk.
Since then those heads kinda got "two-percented" by inflation - they cost 2% more and flow 2% less - every year - for a while.
(You only count the 2% once, that's how the government does inflation it seems).
In any case, the old heads flowed better. Maybe yours are the old ones, before about 2005 or so.
I also used 3550 lb for the car for this Gonk vs 3450 back then, and for some reason a solid cam (same grind) back then, that was a typo maybe.
Should run good either way.
It has the 390 crank,
|February 11 2018, 9:08 AM |
And the earlier edelbrocj bc heads.Still,your numbers were quite close.
All 56 Ford cars were 225 HP with the 313 Y block
|February 10 2018, 4:49 PM |
Our family car in '56 was the 4 Dr hard top Victoria the one with no post like on a 4 Dr one.It had the Thunderbird special 312 rated at 225 HP.In 57 they were 245 HP with a 4 Bl. Of course my 57 was a 270 Hp one.
Thanks Bobby that's news on the 312/225 in 1956-1/4
|February 10 2018, 9:45 PM |
All the old stuff I have - sales brochures, early 56 shop manuals, older books, even the 1960 MOTORS, shows only the 292/202 as the top engine for 56 (with the 312 in the bird only).
The newer "Fords of the 50s" by Parris 2000 says the 312/225 was added to the Fords in Nov 1955 so I guess that makes em 1956-1/4 cars. Hard to track all this stuff when they add it after the literature is already out.
Makes a big diff though, here is how they Gonkulate out, 56 Fords
16.62 at 81.7 292/202
16.12 at 84.7 312/225 half a sec quicker
Fordo, but shifted at the best RPM not easy back then
17.04 at 79.6 292/202
16.57 at 81.7 312/225 again half sec quicker
I at least remember driving a bone stock 57 312/245, but no 56 cars. You don't see a 56 312 Ford too often!
I was only 2 in 1956 so my memory is fuzzy...
|February 10 2018, 10:14 PM |
But when I was 15, my older brother and I took a 312 4bbl out of a 56 Ford to put into his 57 2 door post. Also rolled over a 55 Ford 4 door to get the transmission out of it. That and several other junk cars may have been part of the reason why the neighbours hated us.
just for schlits and giggles, my 56' w/312 ran 15.00 1/4 mile/ 86 mph
|February 11 2018, 11:43 AM |
It was somewhat modified w/ T-bird supercharger cam, factory 2x4's with (mousetrap) Holly's, Fenton headers w/ dual hollywood mufflers, and Mallory Du-Coil ign, T-85 3spd., 4:11 rear, H-60x15" tires, all in a 56' Fairlane 4-dr sedan.(rear door handles shaved of course). This all happened in 1963. My next was a 55' Vicky w/352. My first FE.
Thanks! Car weight? Floor Shift?
|February 11 2018, 10:07 PM |
Thanks for posting that, I am always looking for data like that, the more detail the better.
Old y-block data is kinda rare, before the aluminum heads era.
Do you know the car weight w driver? I guessed 3760 w driver.
Was it still a 3-on-the-tree or floor shift (faster)?
I took some guesses with the Gonkulator, but getting more like 89mph instead of 86mph. Maybe headwind or running out of gas on top?
Those were the Teapot aka Firebox Holleys? I haven't heard em called Mousetraps before.
i'm thinking 3400 lb.,+ skinny 17 yr. old maybe 120 lbs.e xtra
|February 12 2018, 6:52 AM |
and yes, i've heard the carbs called teapot also. Hurst mystery shifter (on the floor). Probably running out of gas on top end. From street light to street light it ran best. Plus incorrect timing. I would set it by ear. I always knew with the right settings i could get into the 14's. Thanks Werby, I always enjoy your Gonks.