Sorry about all the questions, but I have one more I would like to ask if it isn't already been asked by others. I don't know much about the history so I am curious to know the name of the dynasty and the date. Thanx in advance.
http://zhongwen.com. There is a link on this page to a list of Chinese dynasties and their dates. The Sui Dynasty lasted from 581 AD to 618 AD. Pretty short. The Tang Dynasty succeeded them.
I went to this site and found it really interesting. Even though I'm Vietnamese, I am into a lot of Chinese things. Thanks for finding this site of and answering my questions.
I used that online dictionary a lot when working on the transcripts. There are a couple others I use also, but this one is the easiest to use. The other two require a knowledge of Chinese characters, but are more comprehensive.
Mulan and LiLiang get back together. That part with LiLiang falling for Xiaoquan was just a show put up by LiLiang to trick the enemies.
JiLi and YiRen are together.
The final scene shows the four of them with some kids playing on the play ground.
But I wouldn't be surprised if the makeup artist did that. I got that impression on Disney's "Mulan," too. No doubt it's to make her look more masculine with the thicker and bushier eyebrows, though not as bushy as Su Jili.
When my sister and I discuss this, she said exactly the same thing as you. It does make a lot of sense. Since Mulan is in the camp, she had to look more masculine in order to hid her true identity as a girl.
I somehow missed the part between xiaoqian getting the emperor's orders to marry the crown prince, and the part where the crown prince was sent away by the king.... can someone pleeeassseee kindly tell me wat happened??
why was the king so angry with the crown prince?
sigh.... what a sad episode for mulan, to find out that her liang-ge betrayed her. but i think the matter won't have blown up if she was less rash, and not confronting li liang in front of everyone.... but that slap tat she gave xiao qian was great! too bad she had to die at that woman's hands later
When Xiaoqian found out she was ordered to marry the Crown Prince, she tried to hang herself. The Emperor demanded to know why a young lady would rather hang herself than marry the Crown Prince. She said she told the Crown Prince she already belonged to another man (figuratively), but the Crown Prince ignored her protests. The Emperor (and Empress) thought their son was cruel and a jerk, basically, so they banished him.
In the last episode, Mulan and Xiaoquan are fighting head to head, and Mulan is injured with a blow from Xiaoquan. I realize that Mulan has to be injured near death, and then from there they have that scene where Liliang and JiLi are going to heaven to save her life and all. The series has it that Mulan loses fair and square in the fight with Xiaoquan, then Liliang jumps in to save Mulan. However, I would have liked to see Xiaoquan attacks Mulan from behind or something, and then Mulan loses.
yes, Mulan is portrayed throughout the series to be such a real human being. Desptie being brave, smart, strong etc... qualities of a female hero, Mulan has her weaknesses and mistakes too, and also faces real family problems just like any other real woman. I agree it makes the series good and makes Mulan's character so real and close to our daily life.
in regard to Mulan's fight against Xiaoquan, Mulan loses. but a person's kungfu doesn't have to be the best to be the best. and it's understood that Xiaoquan's martial art skills are one of the top in her country, otherwise she wouldn't have been sent over to be a spy.
Where Xiaoqian was fighting Mulan and sprayed some kind of powder so she could get away. You could argue that was "cheating," but hey, as the saying goes, "All is fair in love and war." =)
I recognize her from other series. She always play the evil role. Personally I think she is ugly(no where near Anita). I just can't believe that she caught Li Liang's attention when she was dancing. Li Liang's mother definitely liked her because she acts the total opposite of Mulan. I got to hand it to her, she is very deceptive.(but Mulan saw through her though) I saw it fitting that she gets killed by Li Liang. She's no match for him.
That Li Liang tends to act based more on thinking things through carefully and plotting, while Mulan tends to act based on instinct? Her logic told her Li Liang had forsaken her for Xiaoqian, but her instinct, I think, held out hope that he hadn't forgotten her.
I totally agree.
Even though LiLiang's actions tell Mulan that he falls for Xiaoquan, but Mulan's instincts still let her know that he still loves her.
When JiLi is being executed, Mulan (in a mask) comes to save JiLi. Mulan is being attacked from behind by Xiaoquan and falls down, but saved by LiLiang. No one else knows it's LiLiang who helps Mulan get away, but Mulan knows right away it's him. And then the last episode, Mulan (knowing that LiLiang is in danger) disguises as a man and comes to LiLiang-Xiaoquan wedding to back him up, despite the fact that it's LiLiang's wedding with another woman. If she had lost complete trust or hope in him, I don't think she would have done so.
HI, I think Ywelung's site is great! But how come I can't get into it anymore. Is there something wrong with my browser or has the site gone down?
Please help!
Folks will notify me...got like 6 emails last time the site went down.
There will be more episodes up this weekend hopefully...that's if I don't go and see Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and fanart...but no one here is really interested in Disney...so never mind
After months of searching and asking around, on Saturday I finally found the videos. I went with my aunt and cousin to Atlanta and bought the whole series for $80 at the Asian Square. The price is rather high for these dubbed videos, but I didn't care. I had started watching it down in Atlanta and stayed up to 4:30 am that night. Right now I'm on episodes 15-16. It is so much better than watching videoclips over and over without understanding anything that was said. Su Jili is so funny. I couldn't stop laughing. I just wanted to share my bottled up happiness. I have one question. My videos goes up to 39. I don't understand. I thought there were suppose to be 45 episodes?
But there are edited versions out there. If your videos are dubbed (and congratulations on finding them finally), you can end up with anywhere between 32 and 48 tapes. It depends on how much material they cram onto one tape.
When it aired on TV here in the Bay Area, it was 48 episodes of one hour each (including commercials). I estimate the actual material is 48 minutes w/o commercials. That means 48x48 minutes, or about 38.5 hours, give or take a few minutes.
If your tapes don't have commercials, and you have an hour of material per tape, then 39 tapes sounds about right. Otherwise, you may have an edited version (like the kind airing in Singapore on TCS right now.
My video tapes are in Vietnamese. It was harder to find than if I could read in Chinese or something. I am extremely happy and still can't believe I finally ha ve my very own set. My sister is beginning to like it more than I do(not that's possible). Doraemon,you are Chinese right? Do you speak Cantonese or Madarin?
hey, I'm glad you have finally got to watch MULAN. It's definitely one of the best there is, and my most favorite series of all time. and yah, the Viet version is the uncut version, which includes 39 tapes. The tapes in Viet and Chinese epidoes do not correlate, because they just dub whatever in a tape and release.
When I went down to Altanta to buy the tapes, at first I told the store lady that there were 48 episodes, but then I found out it was only 39. Of course I am happy that I caught that because if it were 48 episodes then I would have to pay about 20-30 dollars more. Thanx for clarifying.
While watching Mulan, I notice Su Jili has a fake horse head on a stick. I was wondering if the horse was given to him by the Gods? I find it quite funny when he gets on it and pretends to ride it. In the episode where Yiren is in the camp, Su Jili was sleeping beside her with his fake horse. Is the horse magic?
Hmmmmm, just drop in here to say that i have FINALLY got to the part where xiaoqian is trying to charm li liang and the crown prince.....
sigh~ so disappointed wif li liang.... tot a guy like him would be more faithful.... and more alert too... i mean, he could have suspected something fishy when he saw her scantily dressed in his mum's room?! i tot women back then are very conservative?!
I still remember getting so pissed off at LiLiang for his rather pleasant reactions to seeing Xiaoqian dressed scantily and watching her dancing. But I guess, like LiLiang says in the last episode, "not to say men, but even women, to have someone feeling attracted to you, of course you must feel a little flattered", but that's not to say that he is seduced by her or anything.
However, I think that Xiaoquian's first encounter with LiLiang in that hut, killing the snake and saving him, letting him see her in undergarment, etc.. were all in her plan.
She was too cunning to let things happen by chance. Very slick and sly lady, I must admit. Poor Mulan. Talk about agony of mind all that time she thought her husband had abandoned her. But she wouldn't give up on him entirely.
if i'm not wrong, xiaoqian is that person wif the mask in the earlier episode where all the high-ranking officials died mysteriously rite?? seems that the masked-person alternated between sounding like a man, and woman when she (he??) talked.... so is xiaoqian really female?? ( i noe this sounds like a really weird qns....) or was tat the result of her going bonkers after practicing some unorthdox form of martial arts.... u know.... like the invincible east person or something (dong fang bu bai)
yup.... and so my point is that li liang would have suspected something was not wrong then...cos i think a more "proper" girl in that time would have been more careful.... anyway, i agree wif the point that li liang was probably caught off guard then to let his mind work....
HI, I think Ywelung's site is great! But how come I can't get into it anymore. Is there something wrong with my browser or has the site gone down?
Please help!
HI, I think Ywelung's site is great! But how come I can't get into it anymore. Is there something wrong with my browser or has the site gone down?
Please help!
It seems that the forum has no current messages, so I figured "why don't I bring up a topic for everyone to respond to." Okay. I haven't seen Mulan, but I was wondering how many times have anyone actually seen all the episodes? Which episodes were favorites?
If ALL the episodes, then I've seen them twice.
But if talking about specific episodes, then I have seen some episodes as many as 8-9 times.
My most favorite episodes of the series are the ones from when Mulan is married to LiLiang, how Mulan has some problems with her mother-in-law, (Anita and Zhao have great compatibility in these scenes), to when Mulan is struggling training the new troops and coming out great in the end.
For me, because someone lent the VCD to me, so I watched only one time...
But there are certain parts that I watched it twice like the flowergirl scene.. I like to watch Li Liang's expression.. also, the scene where Mulan fight with the tujue and all her troops were dead, so sad to watch it but then I wanted to see how Li Liang's act towards her.. especially when he pick up the yellow "fu" from the ground.
Doraemon,
In your translation of episode 27, I found a small typo. Just thought I'd let you know.
The part where Yiren tells LiLiang and Mulan that LiLiang's mother is going to shave her head and become a nun. LiLiang tells Mulan to wait for him at home so he can go to the temple to stop his mother. You have 'LiLiang's mother' saying the sentence, instead of LiLiang.
and hey, I'm glad you have episode 30 up too.
i adore all the transcripts on the site...just a pity that episode 17 and episodes 20 to 25 are only there in summaries. now i won't know what else tcs cut out. but don't get me wrong. it's great that the writer had so much patience to actually transcript the episodes. =)
nah...just eager. i'll be patient! i'll just be...a little...um...enthusiastic...while being my patient self. =P
(1 hr 7 mins!)
um...episodes "21 & 22". and i wouldn't know what happens in the end. no vcds, no friends with vcds, no friends' friends with vcds...it's a miserable life i lead.
well, tcs WOULD be far behind. i bet they spent most of their time deciding what to snip off next. hmph.
really? i'm interested! where? i've considered purchasing it, but i read (from somewhere on this forum) that it costs about $89, is that right?
yeah, eager would be good. =) of course, it does lead to impatience and co., which makes it not so good. like my present situation --> "43 minutes left to go!", and talking about it between classes with my fellow besotted schoolmates. i bet there's a grammatical error somewhere. just can't place it yet. =P
well, i ALMOST signed the guestbook. does that count? =P it's a long story.
I am not going to try and figure out why TCS edits series. I'm sure they have their own reasons. Perhaps to increase the number of commercials they can air? I don't know.
well. that's not too bad. at least i'll know where to start =) 10 minutes! i'll just have to chase my brother off the couch and watch a bit of the program that shows before it...and then! =)
go borrow the vcd or something lor...since you want to watch the whole thing so much. or just go and buy the whole thing...then you can watch it as many times as you want to.
Hi Doraemon,
At YweLung's MULAN site, on the transcripts part, you had episodes 27 and 28 as the same script. wonder if you had that mixed up. and would you put the correct episodes up? thanks. and by the way, once again, what a great job you've done with the translations. I really enjoy reading all of that a lot. I am waiting to read more episodes.
Let me take a look. I think there might have been a little mixup with YL. She's in charge of posting stuff, so I'll let her know if there is a problem.
Thanks for the compliments. We're trying to get the rest of the episodes up as soon as possible.
hey thanks.
I am really very impressed with the transcripts. As much as I like and watch MULAN, I know translating the whole series into English is a very difficult task.
Also, I think there is a whole episode missing between your episodes 12 and 13. The end of episode 12, you have the part where a military doctor is examining if Mulan is a guy or girl. Then the beginning of episode 13, you cut to the part where LiLiang and Mulan are trying to solve that flower-selling-girl incident. So I think you have missing the whole episode where Yu Chenen is punishing Mulan and her troops by making them holding up the tree and all that. Would you see to that and have it fixed please.
I did a stupid thing by starting translating these things partway through the series instead of waiting till I had the whole series on tape. =/ That's why 13 and 14 are not quite complete (the versions posted on the site). The updated ones are due for posting shortly. They have the missing scenes you're talking about.
hey thanks.
I am really very impressed with the transcripts. As much as I like and watch MULAN, I know translating the whole series into English is a very difficult task.
Also, I think there is a whole episode missing between your episodes 12 and 13. The end of episode 12, you have the part where a military doctor is examining if Mulan is a guy or girl. Then the beginning of episode 13, you cut to the part where LiLiang and Mulan are trying to solve that flower-selling-girl incident. So I think you have missing the whole episode where Yu Chenen is punishing Mulan and her troops by making them holding up the tree and all that. Would you see to that and have it fixed please.
hey thanks.
I am really very impressed with the transcripts. As much as I like and watch MULAN, I know translating the whole series into English is a very difficult task.
Also, I think there is a whole episode missing between your episodes 12 and 13. The end of episode 12, you have the part where a military doctor is examining if Mulan is a guy or girl. Then the beginning of episode 13, you cut to the part where LiLiang and Mulan are trying to solve that flower-selling-girl incident. So I think you have missing the whole episode where Yu Chenen is punishing Mulan and her troops by making them holding up the tree and all that. Would you see to that and have it fixed please.
hey thanks.
I am really very impressed with the transcripts. As much as I like and watch MULAN, I know translating the whole series into English is a very difficult task.
Also, I think there is a whole episode missing between your episodes 12 and 13. The end of episode 12, you have the part where a military doctor is examining if Mulan is a guy or girl. Then the beginning of episode 13, you cut to the part where LiLiang and Mulan are trying to solve that flower-selling-girl incident. So I think you have missing the whole episode where Yu Chenen is punishing Mulan and her troops by making them holding up the tree and all that. Would you see to that and have it fixed please.
hey thanks.
I am really very impressed with the transcripts. As much as I like and watch MULAN, I know translating the whole series into English is a very difficult task.
Also, I think there is a whole episode missing between your episodes 12 and 13. The end of episode 12, you have the part where a military doctor is examining if Mulan is a guy or girl. Then the beginning of episode 13, you cut to the part where LiLiang and Mulan are trying to solve that flower-selling-girl incident. So I think you have missing the whole episode where Yu Chenen is punishing Mulan and her troops by making them holding up the tree and all that. Would you see to that and have it fixed please.
hey thanks.
I am really very impressed with the transcripts. As much as I like and watch MULAN, I know translating the whole series into English is a very difficult task.
Also, I think there is a whole episode missing between your episodes 12 and 13. The end of episode 12, you have the part where a military doctor is examining if Mulan is a guy or girl. Then the beginning of episode 13, you cut to the part where LiLiang and Mulan are trying to solve that flower-selling-girl incident. So I think you have missed the whole episode where Yu Chenen is punishing Mulan and her troops by making them holding up the tree and all that. Would you see to that and have it fixed please. thanks.
I'm sorry about having to write this here dreamer and clogging up your forum, but I couldn't find an email.
What I am actually writing about is, I will have my site up soon, and I am really gonna try and advertise this forum, as I believe the residents of this place are the best for answering any questions about the series.
Do you have any problem with that? And while I am on the subject you do not have a forum banner do you? That people can use to display on the site, cause if you want I could have my site-image-creater, a friend of mine, to whip one up...
Hey, i am qian here...and i am new to this forum... but i love the show mulan and of course, the 2 lead actors in the show...
Can't wait to see your site up!
i am totally for the banner thingy!
welcome qian! i cant wait to hear your story about how you started liking mulan. mine is this...i didn't know any of the actors except for vincent, so i was disappointed that he didn't get the lead. and so i was determined that zhao was not going to be good. boy was i wrong! and anita is pure talent! oh and about the banner and everything, go for it.
hmm...abt how i started liking this series...believe it or not, the show is only into its 5th/6th episode here... (it is aired only once a wk, 2 hrs a shot)
I quite like anita....found her pretty and acting skills good.
as for zhao wen zhuo, i took notice of him when he appeared as the villian in the movie "wong fei hong". he also starred in the singapore version of "fong sai yuk". that's when i REALLY paid attn of him! he was really good and looked really good too!
then i knew that mulan was airing over cable, but didn't i didn't have it, so i waited for it to come to the local tv....now i am so hooked i wanna go get the whole series....
oh well, i have fallen prey to their charms...
i dunno the ending...although i read some transcript from a site (which sounds suspiciously like ywe-ling's)o the pt where they just got married...then i dunno what's next...
suspense? boy i sure am kept in suspense...
There was another part when he was a girl, that was the 20th episode i think. I cried at the last episode, so be prepared. What part did you last see? ANd Mulan will not disappoint you. It gets better and better.
ok, i am guilty...i am guilty of watching the last episode while not watching the rest...
actually, just the compressed, summarised version of the last few episodes at ayph.com ...and i saw mulan, like, nearly dead after a fight, then they were in heaven...then they swopped sex...
tt's the vague idea i got form the summarised version...
pegster, u cried?? oh no! i am sure to cry too!
anyway, where does everyone come from?
and i cried, like, well, i cant tell you or else there will be no fun when you watch it. that is, unless you really want me to. united states of america is my home.
oh man...everyone cried...and i dunno the exact ending of the show still!!! *deep breaths*
i can take it...i can still live w/o knowing the ending...the suspense is not killing me .....yet!!
oh well. the kungfu show that anita sarred in with this other guy...i don't think they look as compatible as when anita is with zhao...
now i roughly noe where some of u guys came from now...
Its airing right now at my place. It is pretty good even though I missed a few episodes. I think Suen Hing is funnier in Mulan, though. WHat happened to the older prince and that evil lady in red?
Hi all Mulan fans,
I'm new to this forum and today is my first time here.
I'm searching high and low for Mulan's website because I want to know what's the ending.
I've read the one that Ywe Ling has written in the websites.. that's very good.
But *sigh.... only until ep. 25.
What happen at the end ?? Why are all of you cried ?? Is she or Zhao dead ???
We don't want to spoil the ending for you. I assume you are in Singapore and the series is still airing, but you don't want to wait till the ending to find out what happens, right? =)
All I'm going to say in answer to your question is: kind of.
Thank you Doraemon for you huh.."answer"
You are right, I'm in Singapore and right now, it's only ep. 7 (if I'm not wrong).
I can't wait that long...but then can I just know whether is it a happy ending or sad ending ??
If it's a sad one, then it could be a disappointment.
last episode (*warning* dont read this if you want to be kept in suspense!!!!)
by dreamer (no login)
Li liang is about to marry the Turkish girl so Mulan, soo jili, the fortune teller, and yi ren decide to pretend to be servents and see the marriage. The turkish girl puts poison in the tea, but yi ren changes it. ok, so they are about to say their vows when these knives come straight at li liang. Mulan saves him but xiao qie grabs him. The evil girl thinks his kung fu is gone, but li liang knew of her identity all along, so he doesn't drink her poisoned broths. well basically, li liang kills the turkish girl, but not before she deeply wounds mulan. she is dying, and li liang is crying (i cried at this part). the two mothers start to become friends and finally soo ji li and li liang get into heaven with mulan. Mulan is turned into a guy, and li liang, not to be outdone, is turned into a girl. soo ji li is offered a higher position in heaven, but rejects it. he is sent down. And then the 2 mothers, seeing mulan and li liang not breathing, switch their clothes so the gods would be confused. and then everyone is happy and the end. i know. its confusing but it wont be when you see the whole thing.
i dun get the changing of clothes part, cos i saw this short video clip at ayph.com that li liang is a girl and that mulan could not accept that fact and was quite disgusted..
when does that part come in if u said the mums changed their clothing?
thanks dreamer, so very much!!!
*Warning* Don't read if you don't want to know what happens
by doraemon (no login)
In heaven, Li Liang and Mulan are told their genders will be switched when they return to earth. When they awaken, they see the clothing they are wearing and assume it really happened.
In reality, their mothers had consulted a necromancer, who said that in these situations the gods often return the souls to the wrong body, so the mothers should switch the clothing around so the "correct" souls get put into the "correct" bodies.
so the gods put mulan's soul into mulan, who was in male clothing, and put li liang's soul into li liang who was wearing female clothing, cos they mistook li liang as mulan and vice versa, is that it?
oh...i get it....ah thanks very much doraemon!
Well...thanx for tt...coz it really take a long time waiting in singapore...i would be glad if u tell me which ep is it that mulan get shot by the arrow?
I don't remember her ever getting shot by an arrow. She's had her shins splintered, cut by a sword, given a black eye, beaten with a board, and possessed by spirits. And in the last episode, gotten very battered.
In my VCD no.46 and 47 (the end) there are
only 28 and 17 minutes (usually about 43 minutes
so, they're cut off.
I'am eager to know how about the 2nd prince,
is he punished?
and how about Mulan and Lie liang before they're
having 2 children?
so did mulan and li liang, they both get into correct bodies, i am confused. pls clear my doubt.did they lived happily after?? Pls give me ending in more detail form....
so did mulan and li liang, they both get into correct bodies, i am confused. pls clear my doubt.did they lived happily after?? Pls give me ending in more detail form....
so did mulan and li liang, they both get into correct bodies, i am confused. pls clear my doubt.did they lived happily after?? Pls give me ending in more detail form....
so did mulan and li liang, they both get into correct bodies, i am confused. pls clear my doubt.did they lived happily after?? Pls give me ending in more detail form....
the ninth and tenth episode? after which mulan says that this cheng en insulted her? (the proposing of marriage part) i have to eait for another sunday to watch it.....! thanks~*
Hey dreamer...
We are not spoiler, just anxious to know what had happen...but don't worry, I'm happy with the last eposide that you have summarised. So no more queries from me already..
Well Qian, you are right. But then it's not cheap you know. Cost about $89.
What to do, right now TCS is airing their "home-make" series which I personally finds them abit boring...
We have watched till the 8th already... and read the script till the 25th. so we can rent the 26th till the 48th or 41st episode..(i do not know where did it stops.. 8 days says till 41st, but doraemon says 48th) and each vcd costs a dollar to two right? so quite cheap lar.....
No need to buy? but see, if we rent, the price will amt to almost the same to that if we buy the whole series...and if we buy, we can keep it!
Heheh, imagine keeping wen zhuo at home!!
*that is momentary cheesiness...dun take it seriously...*
hahaha~* might as well go and buy a huge poster of him and put in your bedroom....~* and no lar. the renting price will only be half of the price if we buy the whole set... my place here renting for a dollar each... but i'm not renting.. ywe lung says that she'll have the whole site completed before christmas... just a few weeks more. so i think i can wait.. hahaha~*
is 40 bucks as in american dollars. i actually have no idea. i saw an ad for it at ayph.com. you can contact the webmaster or see if yesasia.com has it.
actualli in s'pore if u haf scv u could haf orreadi watched de whole series. lyke mi, although im stil watchin it now coz tiz so wonderful, i haf orreadi finished watchin de whole thin orreadiz=P n i oso cried @ sum of de partz lyke de laz 1....so sad....but den again, im n easi-cryer.=P
I pretty much understood most of your message, but does "scv" mean VCR? Your really lucky they are airing the series. In America, there's no show on TV, but even if they did I can't read or speak mandarin or cantonese.
Of rolling blackouts, but aside from that, we're just asked to voluntarily conserve electricity. It's a longterm problem, though, with no easy solution.
Still get TV and stuff. Utility bills skyrocketing is the biggest drag.
ive realised bout mulan when she was already in the army. but i have to get up at 5:30am to watch because its really late at nite on cable in sydney...and my mum wouldnt let me watch it...
Hey everyone in this forum....iam new to this as well....and like everyone else i loove mulan....i especially think that zhao is real hot....
is there a real good site with his pics??
Yes I agree that his smile is very very fantastic.
I saw his movies before but I didn't notice him until the Mulan movie.
is anyone know the website with his pics?
I haven't seen Mulan, and the only way to see the summaries is when I downloaded all the video clips at www.ayph.com. From I saw, in my opinion the funniest part is when Li Liang dresses up as a woman. The most emotional would have to be when Mulan lays unconiscous with Li Liang by her side. The most "heroic"/serious moment is after her troops were killed, and after killing the warlord with Su Jili help, Mulan stand amongst the dead with her sword and a little blood running down the side of her mouth. My overall favorite is the scene in which Mulan is madeup as a flower girl by the troops and especially when she turns around. All the guys, Su Jili, and especially Li Liang were so surprise at her beautiful flowergirl disguise. I've probably seen the whole entire video clip about a billion times. I know that's pretty sad, but its the only way I get to see the series.
Carry the series? There must be a company in the US that distributes the series on VCD or tape. I know of one in Canada, BNE Distribution, but don't have an address for them.
There is a video store where I live but they don't have Mulan. Most of their tapes aren't Tawainese movies. I just don't see why the store owner orders the really bad movies and never any good. If you can find the address, Please post it up. Thanx in advance.
I have heard from ppl that Zhao's ex-girlfriend is Anita Mui. How old is Anita Mui? Is she older than Zhao? Honestly speaking, do you think Zhao and Mui look compatible? I personally find them compatible, but why did they break up? I hope ppl who know the reason can tell me. Thanks!
Don't know the true reason why but then Anita Mui is around late 30 - early 40... much much older than Zhao.
They TOTALLY don't look compatible, she looks like his sister or even mother to him.(no offence to Anita Mui's fans but I'm stating the fact!)
I heard that Anita's boyfriends are like clothes, come and go very fast !
I guess Zhao find that they are totally not compatible because of their living habit and character.
But why did Zhao and Mui get together? I mean why did Zhao wanted to be with Mui? Do you think it's true love? I am wondering if Mui was just "playing" with Zhao. If that's so, Mui is really vicious....
he has had 3 girlfriends before. his most memorable one was his first cuz it was his first time. she was a gymnast and they had a lot in common. he was about 20 i think. but then, competitions and work got them apart. the 2nd one was very short. he doesn't comment on her very much. the 3rd is anita mui, who is 10 years older that him. they finally separated because they had too many differences and arguements. zhao says its because he grew up in china, and she in hong kong, so their views on life are different. they have met many times after their separation, but zhao avoids her. anita is willing to be friends and still pose for pictures with him, but he just runs away.
Well, I guess you might have confused between both Anita.
Anita MUI is the HK canto-pop singer whereas Anita YUEN is the MULAN.. if she is the one that Zhao is dating with.. I guess I would love to see them being together..... anyone disagree with me ??
Yes I'd like to see Anita Yuen with Zhao together in real life but unfortunelty Yuen already has chilam for 7 years and plan to get married.
I don't know how are Yuen and Zhao character in real life but if it is the same like in the Mulan so they will absolutely match together.
Even though Mulan and General Li makes a really good couple, it seems that Mulan and Colonel Yu could have also made a cute couple. Mulan likes Colonel Yu at first but it was probably a young girl's crush. Colonel Yu didn't seem to like Mulan in the beginning. Did Colonel Yu really like Mulan when they were in the army or did he only wanted her because he sees that Li Liang likes Mulan? Please clarify. Thanks.
I think Chenen obviously admired Mulan for her pluck, but that he proposed because he felt protective towards her. He said he didn't want her to have to deal with her mother, or live amongst so many men, or not even be able to take a bath when she wanted.
Of course, it didn't help that Li Liang was his rival in many ways. =)
Chenen also admires and has a liking on Mulan in some way because I think they know each other for so long, maybe puppy love.
Mulan sort of dislike Chenen when she sees how he fight again the Tujue and how he treats his troops.
As for Li Liang, she changes her attitude towards him after she realise that he is actually a nice guy.
I think Chenen propose to her because he's jealous that Mulan likes Li Liang more than him.
In episode 7, when Mulan got cold after bathing in Cheren's room, he cooked chinese medicine for Mulan
in his room, and gave to her.
I think, from that time he started to love Mulan.
My feeling when i watched the show was that in the beginning, Mulan had a crush on Chenen. But what he felt for her was more brotherly love & friendship, i think.
When he proposed to her, i doubt it was out of true love. considering the period of time when it happened, i think Chenen was filled with jealousy. Even though he didn't love Mulan, surely it affected him that his admirer was now showing feelings for his rival? Especially the scene where Li Liang comes back to the army suddenly (he had left the army'coz his mother pretended to be sick & dying). Mulan was absolutely delighted, and not afraid to show it. LiLiang teasingly said he came back becoz he missed her, and Chenen's face turned sour....
i thinnk tt de emperor n empress in de show r veri blur....ani1 agree/disagree wif mi? i mean tiz lyke they whole dae blive tt silli second prince even though hi iz tokin nonsense...n stuff lyke tt.
What does "blur" mean? I understood the rest of it. =)
The Second Prince isn't silly, IMO. He's devious and sly and knows how to use crocodile tears. Aside from the once incident with accidentally killing the bird, his parents probably have no idea how cruel he really is.
is actually a rather important character in the show, i think. With him in the show, the audience able to see the visual contrast between him & the good guyz.
But I thought it was a little odd that in the ending, when xiaoqian's real identity as a spy was revealed, and Mulan saw the seond prince running away(while li liang was fighting xiaoqian) all he said was that 'this is a political game'. Why did mulan let him go? So i feel this part doesn't give me closure. What happened after that? Know what i'm saying...?
cos if not for the presence of the second prince, most would probably think the crown prince is not much of a worthy future-king...like Mulan didn't think much of him when they first met.
as for mulan letting him off in the end, i guess she couldn't do much cos he is the king's son afterall.
oh... one qns for those who have finished watching the show, did the second prince know tat xiao qian was a spy?
Did you realise that certain scenes are taken off.. (compare to the transcripts that Ywe-Lung has written)
The part where Mulan transform herself to woman(flowergirl??) They all went in and stare at her and said that she is beautiful and then the next scene was showing her in the city... certain part like li liang showing her the proper way to walk is gone !!! And then when she return to camp, the guys insisted her of not changing to military clothing ??!! It didn't say anything about it.
Oh god!! how come TCS has edited this part !!
Anyone agree with me ??
The version of episodes 13 and 14 that are on the old site Ywe-Lung posted are not 100% accurate. I didn't have access to the tapes when I did them (it was from memory), so there are some problems with them, #13 and #14 in particular.
The new site will have the updated versions and they "should" be correct. If it still doesn't match what you see in Singapore, then yes, they've been edited from what's available in the US.
Thanks for the clarification... well it didn't confuse me, knowing that TCS always edit series here and there....
Ok, I will wait patiently and anxiously for the new website to come up.
since you guys are talking about this, just to let you know, the original mulan is 47 episodes long. i know this 'coz i have just finished watching it (rented the vcds). TCS has edited a lot out... even the first episode which explains how hua hu (mulan's dad) got crippled in war, and why her mum hates her so much. The people at TCS also took out an entire incident (in the beginning) where su jili puts laxative into the rice, causing the whole army food poisoning. For this, mulan gets a couple of hundred whacks of the board.
sigh. it was a great show. and now i'm waiting in anticipation for cutegirl to play here. just hope that TCS doesn't cut that one up too!
That's odd. It was 48 in the US. 32 if you rented the videotapes (each was 1.5 episodes long).
Gee whiz, I didn't realize TCS had edited so much out. That's unfortunate. I wonder why? Was it considered objectionable (the bathroom humor) or was it to get it to fit in a certain amount of time?
(refer to title)
...very, very, very boliao.
...very, very, very sensitive.
...very, very, very mean, and just want everyone who watches it to miss out on the best parts
that why her mum hated her so much? the fortune teller told her mum that Mulan was supposed to be a boy, but in the end she was a girl and her mother almost wanted to kill her but was stopped by Hua Hu. and i also saw the part where this su jili put laxatives in the food and all the soldiers rushed to the toilet after eating? Mulan got beaten 100 whacks of board too. Actually she need not have so much whacks, but she offended Li liang, so Li Liang gave her more, i think. Was there another part of all this?
But as for the Hua Hu got crippled, i do not know, i missed the first ten mins of it...:(
Singapore's TV station, TCS, totally edited it. they cut out bits here and there! How else do you think they managed to shorten it from the original 47/48 episodes to a mere 41?
when i first saw the episode summary in 8 days (it's a mag), it was "episodes 7&8 / 41". i remember wondering why they didn't just make it 40 or something. the drama serials shown here are all nice round numbers. maybe they tried cutting and cutting it until it got to 40 or something, but they couldn't do it without snipping out an essential part, so they gave up and left it at 41. a bit weird, i know =)
Hmm... that's odd. I'm talking about the TCS version, you know. In Singapore. Maybe you got it mixed up with the one you saw on SCV? I watched mulan about 5 times, so I'm quite sure. Twice on cable, twice on rented vcd and now on TCS.
Anyway, if you're interested, mulan's dad, hua hu, got crippled when he was fighting a war with Tujue. He was supposed to have been a war hero of some sorts. In the Disney production of mulan, they made him some like some hero. But in the taiwan version, they didn't put much emphasis on his achievements.
By SCV, you mean Channel 54 (TVBS)? IF you do, then I don't thik it's edited. Seems to be the original version. But I guess we wouldn't know until the finish screening it, right?
l agree that tcs edited some part of the mulan show.I am sure you are know about huanzhugege been boardcast in singapore, tcs also edited some part, but lucky i got bought the vcd to watch b4 i watch the tcs one. i don't like tcs ways of doing the editing of the certain part local show like taiwan or hongkong show, it is unfair.
Is there any diff in the length of the drama?
Any missing part?
i have a set of VCD with only 47episodes but presently SCV is showing 48 episodes..what is the diff?
When I rented the Mulan vcd, it was also 47 episodes! But 'coz I rented from episode 8 (watched the beginning on scv), I'm not very sure. Maybe it was the first episode. The one showing how Hua Hu injured his leg in battle, and Mulan's birth? I duno...
I don't really know what I'm suppose to do here. I was searching something and got this page. I saw there are many people post their message and I thought "oh this is so cool, and I should post my message up there too." if you wanna me write a letter go for it. I'll be glad to send you back. okay I guess this is too much. so better say bye. See you guys.
At the scene when Li Liang was the Marshal and Mulan was leading the fight, there's a scene when all Mulan's team died except 2. She kneeled down and cried but then how come the scene never show Li Liang comfort her ?? What does it mean when he pick up the yellow "fu" from the ground and hold it tight ??
Had served it's purpose in keeping her alive, but just about everyone else died. He didn't go and comfort her because it was something she had to deal with alone, just like when he was in the middle of the battlefield and found his uncle dead.
It's like in some Chinese funerals, where you receive a little white envelope with a coin inside. You take the coin and spend it as soon as possible, and toss the envelope as soon as possible, because it has already served its purpose and you don't want to keep a memento of sorrowful times.
Thanks for the explanation.
You are right, but then I thought that normally girls would like to be comforted at this stage... well Mulan is of course different than other girls.
maybe it's also tat guys in that era are more restrained in their behavoir...anyway, i was hoping he would go hug her or something, but then i would be so touched i would probably cry my eyes out... i think tat epsiode was particularly philosophical cos they highlight all the horrors of war.... sigh.... i love this show
But it wouldn't have fit in. If he did that, then I think it would have emphasized to the soldiers that Mulan may not be "man" enough to lead an army into battle and handle it. She already had enough problems recruiting people to join her banner; if she broke down and ran sobbing to her husband because she lost her troops I doubt that would help things for her. Not exactly fair, but I'm guessing that's what would have happened.
i was just wondering why lee liang's mum was so nice to mulan, giving her the good luck charm b4 they went off to war, then asking if she was ok when they returned.... did i miss anything tat went on between them (courteousy of TCS's tendency to edit the show here and there)? in any case, it was touching to see her being so nice >sniff<... and yiren was so sweet to su jili, giving that pack of food to him.....
I think it's b'coz Mu Lan is still her daughter-in-law no matter how much she disliked her. Moreover, she is going to war for her country's honor and may not come back alive. Upon coming back from war, Li Liang's mother treat her kindly b'coz she killed that Tujue Khan and got the nation's recognition.
I don't think Li Liang's mother really hated Mulan. I find that she was biased against Mulan 'coz she had her heart set on having Yiren as her daughter-in-law. So i guess that when Mulan & Li Liang went to war, she was probably kinda worried about Mulan, but just unwillingly to admit/show it.
She's just misguided. I agree about the point that she had her heart set on having Yiren as her daughter-in-law, and it didn't help that Mulan didn't have any kids, and that every fortuneteller she went to said Mulan would never have kids.
But underneath it all, she realized how much it would hurt her son if Mulan died in battle, especially since she was going for her country. She said "no matter what I think about her, she's still a member of the Li family, and I wouldn't want anything to happen to her."
I mean, until Mulan ends up in the Celestial Realms in the last episode and changes her fate, then she was supposed to die young and not have any kids.
I'm quite impress with the website that you are building right now.
If in any point of time, should you need help in Mulan website, pls do not hesitate to let me know. I'll try my best to help you !
First a reply to this message, ummmm....thanks, yeah anyhelp you can give would be greatly appreciated.
Any images from the series, or info about any Mu Lan that has existed or even character profiles would be welcome [take some of the load off 'raemon's back)
Second; the site for some strange, extremely vexing reason isn't working. I'm apologise but there is nothing I can do at the moment except wait patiently
hello everyone,
it's been a while I haven't posted anything, though I still follow postings in this forum.
anyway, I was re-watching some parts of Anita's MULAN. Still love it! such a great series. I like Suen Hing more, he's such a superb actor, he really portrays his role very well. and I love the special friendship between him and Mulan. and I just love all the scenes with Li Liang and Mulan together.
oh, just a comment, there's a scene where Li Liang and Mulan are taking a stroll around town (after they're married). and Li Liang is getting Mulan a hairpin, but teasing her, saying it's for his mother. anyway, afterwards he puts the hairpin on Mulan, then it seems like they just walk away without paying! hehe... just want to know if anyone noticed that?
gosh, I watch MULAN too many times, I pay attention to even the smallest silly details!
by the way, is it just me? I can't get to Ywe Lung's Mulan site.
Something's been wrong with the server that hosts the site since last last week (from what I can tell). I haven't been able to even access Stas.Net; it seems none of the pages it hosts are available.
Yes, I noticed that they didn't pay for the hairpin. Maybe they run a tab with all the street vendors, or maybe he paid for it while Mulan was picking it out and it just wasn't shown.
I'm having the same problem with you...cannot access the website.
I think, the producer did not think that we will go into such detail as to "check" whether did they pay $$ or not. But then I think that this are tiny detail which is not impt in the series...
But I do agree that I like to see Mulan and Li Liang scene best ! Esp. when he found out that HE's a SHE, and when mulan is acting the flower girl. Can see the light in his facial expression.
Our topics covers anything about mulan.
From the taiwanese series to disney movie.
Did you watch the taiwanese series of Mulan acted by Anita Yuen from HK?
I finally completed watching the whole series of Mulan.
It was great.. compared to other Taiwan TV Series (no offence), this is the best show that I've ever seen.
I've a question, does anybody knows that at the last ep., mulan, li liang, yiren and jili were playing with a bunch of kids, are they their children?
Since the ending did not said that these children are their kids, so I assume they are.. come to think of it, in the olden days, daycare are not popular right ??
In olden days, if you had money you had nannies to help look after the kids. And if you were poor you looked after them yourself or had the grandparents help out and stuff. There really wouldn't be daycare as we would recognize it, I think.
They don't say whether those are really their children or not, but I think we're supposed to assume that they are. Perhaps the producer wanted to create that idea, but couldn't be bothered to find children of different ages to make it more realistic. Maybe she just wanted us to see Mulan and co. playing happily with their children. After all, that scene is pretty brief.
Hi Ade,
You are right, I find that the ending is abit brief.. especially after li liang and mulan came back from heaven.
The scene move immediately to li liang and company playing with kids. I thought the producer should focus abit more on this part. Personally, I find the ending abit short and brief.
i've just found and bought the mulan vcds (hurrah!), but now i'm having a problem. is the picture supposed to be overly squished horizontally so that the actors are much wider than they actually are? can this be fixed? if not, then never mind, i think i can grow to like the squashed figures walking around on screen Ü
One in Sun Plaza in Sembawang in Singapore, but I heard from a friend they're pretty easy to find. Not that I'd ever found one before now, but anyway...=)
Maybe if the original was taped in NTSC format, then converted to PAL, I've heard the image ends up stretched to fit the PAL screen. Maybe that's what happened.
I was fast-forwarding past the theme song in Episode 32, and the whole thing went crazy. I've no idea what I pressed to try and fix it (a complicated combination of weird buttons), but the picture later fit the whole screen. Naturally, I had to be dissatisfied and try again, and make it revert back to its original squished form.
Does anyone out there knows a website on the latest happening on Yang Pei Pei? Also, does anyone know what is her lastest project. Thanks to all and have a great Chinese New Year.
what in the world was soo jili trying to do in the 2nd episode when li liang and mulan got in a fight and mulan blackened his eyes? i thought he wanted mulan hurt? or was mulan gaining ground over li liang?
Jili was trying to help Mulan (I know that is a little hard to believe) because he seriously thought Li Liang was picking on the little pickpockets. Later in the episode when Jili is asking his fellow immortal for some money that is usable in the mortal realms, he mentions that. The fellow immortal explains that Li Liang is a great general and the boys were actually pickpockets. He warns Jili not to always take things at face value.
yeah, so it's a little belated, but i just happened to come across this lying around somewhere...so...Ü
soo jili let mulan give li liang two black eyes here, because he knew that mulan would get into greater trouble later. there was a scene somewhere after this one where he was gloating about how she, later on, "bu2 hui4 you2 hao3 ri4 zi3 guo4".
I am not totally sure, but when I visited www.ayph.com I thought I saw a place where you can download the theme song and the ending song, but that's all. Hopes it help you.
I give up on TCS already !
Right now, I've the whole series which my friend lended to me. Am now watching ep 24, the scene that they just got married and is dealing with li liang's mother... see how he treats mulan, so caring ... he is so totally different from the first few series as General Li in the camp, so stern and "fierce" to his soldiers.
I am curious to know how Zhao came into the entertainment industry. Was he an athlete or something before he stepped into showbiz? I have heard people saying that he was a swimmer, is it true?
That's what I heard from oter people. Like he came from one of those martial arts schools in China. Something like that. That will explain his fighting skills. Rather impressive.
Hi guys,
I'm back !! Sorry for not posting any threads cause quite bz lately with work.
I waited anxiously to watch the scene that mulan and li liang got married but guess what !! The scene where li liang's mother and yiren interrupted on their wedding night was edited.
TCS on show the one where su jili was outside their bedroom... so sad.
But anyway, my friend's friend intend to lend me her VCD, so I can re-watch again.
exactly!
i missed that particular episode coz i was in china...
in the end now, poor ole me can't watch that part coz none of my friends have the vcd....
TCS seems to love doing stuff like that. In this case, it couldn't have been offensive material. I mean, Mulan is such a 'clean' show - not even kissing scenes! I think they were just trying to shorten the series. the TCS version is only 41 episodes long!
Maybe coz I've watched the entire original show, when I watch it on tv now, with all the edited bits, I get really frustrated, so now I don't watch it at all.
Hi, my name is Jenny but most of my frens call me Jen. I'm watching the series thru the cable and it's now showing episode 46. I just wanna share this with everyone... Li Liang's mother is really impossible, and very irritating with her occasional feigning sickness. Poor Mu Lan has to bear with all that! I won't spoil your enjoyment by telling you some of the horrible things she thought up to break Mu Lan and Li Liang - you just wait and watch!!
She has a very sweet, old lady look. I just watched this movie, Lavender, starring Aniki & Kelly Chen. The actress who played Li Liang's mother has a minor role in it, and she looks absolutely sweet! She looks like the ideal grandmother! Ok, maybe she's not so old. Like a fairy god-mother!
Really?? how could TCS do tat?? Errmm, i don't have the luxury of watching the episode on VCD...anyone mind giving a blow-by-blow account of what actually happened? oh, and one more qns.... why is it that mulan wasn't wearing a bridal veil over her head during the wedding ceremony?
I know during the Ching Dynasty women had the veils on during the entire ceremony and the veils weren't to be removed until they got home, or something like that.
i really like the way the men's clothes were padded so it made them look like they were really well built, and the sash was tied low so it accentuated their broad shoulders and narrow hips. the army uniforms also looked good on the guys.
i liked the clothes xiaoqian wears actually and yiren's were ok but mulan had a long coat thing with a patch on the back.....why?
i guess that long coat thing is to make her look graceful...something like the long train on a wedding gown?! i think i'm going to miss her pre-marriage costumes; she looks so cute and impish with the long hair...the bun-up hairstyle makes her look so matured...but i suppose that's the traditional make-up for married women in those days, hmmmm...a ploy by the guys to make their wives look less attractive?
You are right TCS is damed too much. I'm currently watching the SCV which they are also airing Mulan, when I watched the TCS edited version it was damed terrible. Many of the interesting portion are edited! I'm lucky to catch it on SCV. And I have watched the last eposide today. It was very touching. I wanted to watch the repeated telecast but i'm in school. Too bad! Anyway i'm going to wait TCS to air the last eposide to see which part they have edied. But I really want to comment on this show is taht this is the best taiwanese production i had ever seen.
Do not know why did TCS slot in the show on sun afternoon. Such a nice show to be aired at off-peaked period. The viewershio would be much better if aired at night.
Drats...TCS is really notorious for "Cut & Paste". From 48-41 episodes...
really? i didn't know! anyway, lucky you, can borrow the vcd from your friend's friend. i was hoping to get myself the vcd too...then can watch and watch and watch =P is it being sold anywhere in singapore, do you know?
A is rather interesting Character...esp the way he speak.
Too mad there is not much of his appearance in the latter 1/2 of MULAN.
Very funny actually...how come he is not around when MULAN need help and support. (Last part)
His character really didn't have anywhere to go. Besides, it forces Mulan to work things out for herself and it lets the other characters develop. Su Jili becomes a very good and supportive friend and even Yiren, too.
He did have a very nice speaking voice. Clear and easy to understand. The Marshal did, too. Calm and commanding, I guess you could say.
On the other hand, maybe it's to emphasize the changing of the guard, that the older generation is out of the picture and the younger generation is starting to grow and lead.
I think he was the sweetest old man! Very loving & supportive of Mulan. There was this really funny part when the Emperor & his entourage visited Mulan at her home. Her father was so nervous he kept stammering!!! I laughed my head off... heeehee
He was so tongue-tied Mulan had to step in and think on her feet.
Remember the part where she and her father were trying to come up with reasons why she couldn't marry the Princess? The look on Mulan's face when he said "he" was sterile was hilarious.
When Mulan's father searched from army camp to camp for her, I thought it was so sweet! He has difficulty walking and yet he travelled so far just to find her.
Also, after Mulan went home, one time when she was complaining about how her mother treated her, he came up with such a cute theory. he said that maybe in their previous lives, Mulan did her mother a great injustice, and so, in this life, she has to pay back her debt.
The scene when he first sees her in camp and says, "oh, my good dau...I mean, son, I have finally found you." Then he noticed the way kept watching Li Liang and said, "the way you looked at him was the same way I looked at your mother back when we were courting."
most of the scenes i've seen him in (i missed a few episodes, worst luck!), he's always so supportive and protective of mulan. and he's funny! he almost makes up for the poor mother mulan has.
I just want to know the song title of the Mulan's ending song sung by Emil Chow. And I wanted to know if any Mulan songtrack can be found in Singapore. Thnax!
I just watched episode 43 which is about the emperor being very upset about some letters mulan wrote. I was just wondering what was in that letter that could have cost her life?
She told her husband that the soldiers at the distant camp she visited were inadequately fed and clothed, that they missed their families and were getting bitter about being "abandoned" out on the frontiers, if you will.
The Emperor took personal offense, feeling that Mulan was criticizing him.
Apparently, the Emperor accused her of trying to cause the soldiers to feel dissatisifed with him, and hence may lead to an upheaval. But i guess he got so angry and wanted them executed 'coz the Second Prince was encouraging him too. The Empress came along, read the letter, and also got mad at Mulan. But she said it was because the situation the soldiers were in should have been reported to the Emperor immediately. She was helping Mulan, saying that the only thing Muln did wrong was to write to her husband instead of imforming the Emperor.
I think in this incident the Emperor comes off looking really silly, really dumb.
The Emperor was so easily convinced by the Second Prince that it was dumb! But I guess he had to be the silly Emperor so the Empress could come and save the day. Also considering another incident where Mulan, Li Liang and Su Jili were brought before the jade Emperor, Empress Wangmu also came and saved the day. In both cases, the Emperors were protrayed to be dumber and less objective than the Empresses!
Mulan, Li Liang's mother, the Jade Empress were all very strong female characters that I think were created as they were to make it as women were just as good as men.
Yes Mulan was different then other women but maybe the writers were trying to portray that many women were equal to men not just one.
Also I thought the mortal Empress was swayed by the Second Prince as well, she puts the second prince down and everything
Is actually a very fair woman. Don't get on her bad side, but aside from that, she tries to be just and while she doesn't directly tell the Emperor what to do, she's quite effective at influencing him indirectly.
I think she was very disturbed when the Second Prince killed that bird in the garden. It highlighted his disregard for life and worried her.
I think after the Empress got over her initial shock that Mulan was a female, she liked her a lot. She expressed this especially during the part where she was talking to Mulan about brewing tea (just before annoucing that she was to marry the Crown Prince).
The Empress identified with Mulan, I guess. Both of them were exceptionally strong women. The Empress, I find, was ahead of her time with respect to her mindset. She believed women to be equal to men (gasp!) and able to aid in the running of an empire. Even though we may consider Li Liang's mother as a strong women too, she was still very set in the traditional Chinese way of thinking. In the show she repeatedly says that "a husband is Heaven, while a wife is Earth".
So I guess, in a way, Mulan, the Empress and maybe even Empress Wangmu are very similar characters...
I think she's biased as far as the Crown Prince is concerned though. I mean, he has his bad points, but he's always being told off by his parents....makes you feel sorry for him. I don't understand why the Empress dislikes the Crown Prince so much, pretty unnatural since she's his mother and usually mothers defend their older sons alot even if they do bad things.
Though she admits that he does have good character. remember an incident where the Second Prince reports to the Empress that the Crown Prince is forever visiting brothels? Luckily Li Liang was unable to go with the Crown Prince, so the latter stayed in his palace. The Empress did ssay that though the Crown Prince was naughtier and less serious than the Second Prince, he had better character; and never said anything bad about his brother t their parents. I guess the Empress just stand stand the fact that the future Emperor visits brothels! haha
More than one emperor of China died at a young age from contracting diseases from visiting too many brothels. So I'm sure part of what irritates the Empress is that the son should know better, that his health is precious, but he's too much of a playboy to be emperor.
That her eldest son was such a flirt. After all, even for men at that time, visiting brothels was still considered as a vice right? Recall the incident where Li Liang blurted out that he had been going to brothels with the Crown Prince. Even his mother was put-off, but I think she only backed him up because Mulan was totally pissed.
I forgot about that. She was worried he might contract VD or something. =)
Remember a time when Li Liang's mother told Mulan that if her late husband had not passed away so early, she probably would have taken the initiative to get him a few concubines, so that the Li family would have more heirs? Does anyone believe her? I kinda think she said that to put Mulan down. To imply that Mulan didn't have a heart wide enough to put the family line before her won happiness.
They were coming from both sides of an argument and two completely different viewpoints. Li Liang's mother was much more traditional in the sense of what women's duties are. Mulan was decidedly untraditional in many cases. She refused to be considered a second-class citizen just because she was female and she believed she could perform just as well as a man in things outside the home.
They were coming from both sides of an argument and two completely different viewpoints. Li Liang's mother was much more traditional in the sense of what women's duties are. Mulan was decidedly untraditional in many cases. She refused to be considered a second-class citizen just because she was female and she believed she could perform just as well as a man in things outside the home.
You have a point about trying to put Mulan in her place. She never missed a chance to patronize Mulan. I still find the sudden conversion in the last episode a little farfetched. I don't think people change that quickly.
I think they both were very similiar characters. Mulan's mother was mean/tough on her since young. But ever since she found out that her daughter had saved the Emperor's life, she became disgustingly nice. Like what Mulan tells her father, her mother is not being nice to her out of love or admiration, but instead trying to get into her good books.
In the last epsiode where both mothers were so upset about Mulan's condition, I think Li Liang's mother was upset more out of guilt than anything else. After all, everyone but her didn't trust Xiaoqian. But she was the one who let Xiaoqian stay in their home, and even marry her son. I think she was embarrassed at being so wrong.
Mulan's mother seemed more consistent. It made sense for her to try and curry favor with Mulan after she had become famous, as that was her personality. And I think Li Liang's mother felt very guilty when she realized how much she hurt her son when Mulan was at death's door.
But I do think the remorseful words were a little exaggerated in the last episode, almost as if the director said "turn on the waterworks now." =)
Don't mean to offend, but many Taiwanese productions are like that. They simply must have the soppy, tearful parts in the show. I think the change in Li Liang's mother was a little too sudden. And, yeah, I agree that Mulan's mother was more believable.
On the whole Li Liang's mother is a caring and humane person.
Remember the part when Li liang told a lie about Su Ji Li's impotency.
She is so concern about Su and let him has his way.
Another part: She is also very anxious and caring to xiaoqian when she was poisoned.She is actually a kind- hearted lady
Her attitude towards Mulan could be due to her eagerness to have a baby boy . It is very important at that time... As such that she was blinded by this desire and was rather nasty to whom ever go against her way.
How could she not be remorseful and guilty and teary when her daughter-in law is dying. ( Her life saver)
Was so bad also because she wanted Yiren to be her daughter-in-law. I mean, at Mulan & Li Liang's wedding, she seemed unhappy with her already. And at that point in time, she didn't even know Mulan. The only time I can remember them meeting was at Li Liang's mother's birthday dinner. And Mulan was still supposed to be a guy then. So actually, I think Li Liang's mother wasn't being mean to Mulan because she didn't like her, but more because she wasn't Yiren. And she hadn't boren the Li family any children.
She kept comparing her to the "ideal wife" in her mind, which would have been Yiren. But since Mulan is so different from anyone else, it just grated on her nerves. She was overshadowing her son, not just being the quiet and supportive wife in the shadows as was deemed "proper" at the time.
It's small wonder the Empress liked Mulan; both are not content to take a supporting and subservient role in their marriages. A little like Hillary Clinton? A lot of Americans dislike her because she doesn't fulfill the traditional image of a First Lady.
i think li liang is still believable n i giv up on tcs liow
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I think the moment li liang is attracted or confused by his own emotions of xiao qian portrays his weakness as a human/man (hehe)
from there on i think he is still a believable character. Even though @ the end he takes xiao qian as a concubine coz he found out she was a spy, but dat moment of weakness has already happend...
I m chasing the show like mad!!!!but luv the show:)
It concerns a man who is unhappily married. He and his wife take in a pretty boarder and he finds himself falling for her, but they never do anything in reality.
However, one quiet evening alone together they just sit before the fire and that's when they commit adultery in the ethical sense, though not in reality.
caught the last episode on tvbs yesterday....I think like all good showz there's this sad feeling that its over if you know what i mean but i am glad its a good happy ending.
or a Hong Kong production? I know Yang Peipei produced it, and she's Taiwanese, but I'm still not sure... After all, there is a Cantonese version of the show, and Anita is Hongkie....
The page with the link to the scripts has a collage picture of Mulan and Li Liang in armor. The characters say "ever faithful, in this lifetime" or something like that (I'm lousy with translating poetry).
We haven't been able to figure out who made the collage, but we know it was someone called Isabel.
Considering all the discussion of the White Snake Legend lately I thought everyone might be interested to know that Australia is releasing a stamp set to celebrate the year of the Snake.
Showing Mulan when she was really old, like 80? I kinda heard about that scene, but never seen it. And I thought that since I watched the vcds, it should be in it? Anyone knows what happened? Or was there never such a scene?
Why did Li Liang keep XiaoQian's note and handkerchief if he's not attracted to her as well? And to keep those things so secretly showed that he has feelings for her, don't you think?
And attracted, and too ashamed about it. He probably was embarrassed that he could ever have feelings for someone, especially since he kept professing that he would always be faithful. Maybe he felt like a hypocrite.
I think Li Liang was really confused then. Maybe he didn't know what to do with them.
When Xiaoqian left her hanky in his room, I felt he had wanted to return it to her, but was embarrassed & reluctant to look her up. Anyhow, it's quite comical how embarrassed he gets infront of her!
There are some things I don't understand or I missed it. In doraemon's message below, it said Li Liang suspected the spy because of a basin of water. Did I miss that part or is it later? I'm watching the TVBS series, at the episode where Mulan goes back to her own home and the army office burns down. Also I missed the part where the spy rejected the Emperor's offer of marriage...can anyone tell me what exactly happened there and about the basin of water thing?
Also there's a part where the spy tried to seduce Li Liang but he rejects her right? When does that happen and why did he reject her?
We never get to see that scene. It is what Li Liang claims to have happened. In the last episode, Xiaoqian manages to capture Li Liang. They are in a cave, and talking. Xiaoqian wants to know what gave her away, what caused him to suspect her. Li Liang says that in the beginning when Xiaoqian revealed her feelings for him & rejected the offer to marry the Crown Prince, he was very flattered. But one night, he was washing his face when he looked at his own reflection in the basin of water. It made him think : Although he may have his good points, the Crown Prince is also a man of virtue. He wondered why would Xiaoqian give up the position of being the next Empress just to become the concubine of a mere General.
I'd like to see a series spin-off on the second prince where he really falls in love with someone and becomes a good person (ok maybe semi-good, I don't see him turning into Li Liang perfection). I like the second prince because he made the show interesting.
About Xiaoqian, I really can't stand her because her eyes are so big and she's always acting so soppy, like when she was trying to kill herself or when she was kneeling down to ask Mulan to let her stay with Li Liang and his mother.
You can see how Li Liang's mother was like putty in her hands.
The Second Prince was very Machiavellian, very human and driven and ambitious. He annoyed the heck out of people but you could believe someone would really act that way.
Were both highly intelligent people. Smart, but evil, I guess. Both were crafty & manipulative too. But the things that Xiaoqian did, though evil, came out of good intentions. In the sense that she was loyal to her country/tribe (whatever...). Although her methods were somewhat underhand, at least she was loyal. Unlike the Second Prince, who was not concerned about the Empire. He was more involved in trying to get himself crowned as Emperor.
She mentioned it in the last episode after she was discovered. However, her status was never made clear. That is to say, if she was a leader back home or the daughter of some big-shot (i kinda imagined her to be the daughter of that leader that Mulan managed to kill during the battle where Tujue had the canons & all)
I understand LiLiang's point about suspecting a woman who's willing to give up the chance to become the future Empress to be with a General. but the funny thing is: Mulan did the exact same thing earlier, and he wasn't suspicious. Mulan denied herself the chance to become the wife of the future King to marry LiLiang!
For another. We're supposed to believe a woman will give up the Crown Prince to become a concubine to a man, with a first wife who is dead set against it? I find that a little hard to believe.
Also, Mulan & Li Liang go back a long long time...
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Historically, Mulan was in the army for 12 years before anyone knew that she was a female. So in that 12 long years, her relationship with Li Liang (though only friendship) was built up. Xiaoqian, on the other hand, came out of nowhere & claims it was love at first sight!
Anyhow, Li Liang also mentioned that knowing the Crown Prince's character, he would never have forced Xiaoqian to marry him if he had known she loved someone else. So I guess that was a suspicious point too.
It seems more like she was in the army three years before Li Liang discovered her. Still, they had been through a lot together, from capture to torture to several battles.
Yeah, I forgot about the line saying the Crown Prince would never force a woman to marry him if he knew she cared for someone else. Li Liang even said that the Crown Prince would have done all he good to make her happy, i.e. help set up a match.
But yiren and li liang also goes back a long time yet it is obvious that he didn't like her and resists her advances. However he seems to be quite flattered (i remember one episode he blushed when he thought of her)and even kept some of xiaoqin's items, does this mean he was attracted to her?
He even says "who wouldn't be flattered and attracted under those circumstances?" That's probably why the story emphasized how Mulan could be a little possessive and stifling for Li Liang. The writers probably wanted to highlight that Li Liang was confused about his true feelings.
And not attracted, to Xiaoqian. After she saved his life, he was grateful to her, obviously. But after she professed her dying love for him, I think he was extremely flattered, especially after she rejected the Crown Prince's marriage offer. But I think he was never attracted to her, much less in love with her. Perhaps he was confused. Moreover, his relationship with Mulan was kinda rocky in the sense that she was hardly home (also entertaining) & there was also that incident where she went to the brothel and made a big fuss. But it's true that Xiaoqian was more feminine, more gentle. Maybe at that point in time, Li Liang waivered. He also had an excuse to keep Xiaoqian in his home. Su Jili pasted the notices announcing his 'relationship' with Xiaoqian.
The question I'm interested in, though, is the actual point in time when Li Liang began suspecting Xiaoqian.
It was right before the scene where he tells his mother he is going to visit his uncle the general out in that distant town. I think he deliberately left off the invitation so he would have a reason to deliver it in person. It seems Li Liang's mother was so busy she would easily have overlooked someone if he left the uncle off the list.
well, I think it is good Li liang is honest...etc because if i remember correctly, Chenen didn't really like mulan he just wanted to have what Li liang has so he may not be faithful to her in the future.
However, in real life I think both are good looking!
In the show, Li Liang is protrayed as such a perfect guy! Even near the ending when it seems like he really decided to take Xiaoqian as his concubine, it turns out that he already suspected she was a spy! That was quite unbelievable, I think... But it was interesting, 'coz the only clue we got that he suspected her was when he went to 'invite' his uncle's old friend (the general of some special ops troop or something).
Chen'en, however, was more real. In the sense that he was a flawed character.. like all of us. kinda sad he decided to be a Taoist priest. While I was watching the show, I was still hoping that he'll appear again.. but too bad! he didn't...
Chenen was such a tragic character that you had to feel something for him.
He was also very protective which is why I think as soon as he realised Mulan was falling Liang he tried pulling her back. He loved her in his own way I think.
There were times where Chen'en was just downright despicable. Like when he wrestled with Li Liang. And when he tried to get Mulan to leave the army by threatening to report her to Li Liang's uncle (duno what's his rank in english ~ yuan-shuai). Thinking about it, there were reasons for his behaviour, I guess. I think he also felt threatened by Li Liang, afraid that Li Liang would outshine him in the army. he also mentioned in the show that he didn't like Li Liang because the latter looked down on him and felt that he only got his post through relations with the yuan-shuai...
As that's the closest English equivalent. And Li Liang suspected the spy because of a basin of water. He wondered why someone would turn down the Crown Prince, who is comely and unattached and nice to be a concubine to someone of much lower social standing. I mean, it's one thing to like Li Liang more, it's quite another to attempt to commit suicide because you'd rather die than become the Crown Prince's consort (and he wouldn't treat you badly, either).
A little too melodramatic, so I could see his point. But you could also see that he had serious misgivings about why he felt attracted to the spy, so the confusion clouded the issue. And I'm sure it hurt him that Mulan didn't trust him.
Hie...
i was wondering abt the pt tat li liang became suspicious of the spy cos she was reluctant to marry the crown prince...but wasn't mulan's reaction to be the prince's consort the same? so li liang shouldn't be thaaaat suspicious rite?
as for the li liang vs. chen-en qns...i feel tat chenen also liked mulan, cos if i dun remember wrongly, in the first episode or so, tat scene where mulan came back from washing clothes and saw chenen fishing....he somewhat hinted that he returned to visit mulan....
heheh...sometimes this whole thing reminds me of the days that we did reviews for literature classes...but it's much more fun though!
Mulan took the chance of running off with Li Liang. She didn't threaten to hang herself. Besides, it's not as if Mulan ran off with him even though he was already married. She has too much self-respect to marry a man just to be a concubine.
I think she was really convincing as a spy. The funniest part to me was that the Second Prince thought she was nothing more than a prostitue! Shows that even a person as crafty and cunning as the Second Prince was deceived by her. This makes it all the more unbelievable that Li Liang could become suspicious of her. And to think he thought she was from Tujue. But I guess that's part of his role as the perfect hero.
Hmm.. but no matter what, the show was made even more interesting with parts like this. Something like the portions when Su Jili gets Empress Wangmu to send him back in time; and when he changes the Book of Life & Death, etc... Unbelievable, but it makes the show a must-watch! =)
I urgently need to know if the <XiaoMiHuChuangJiangHu> vcds are out in Taiwan!!! A friend of mine is going over soon, and if the vcds are out, I'll get her to buy a set back... i'm dying to watch the show!
