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Wondering about FWB300 style piston seal rings.

February 6 2012 at 11:53 AM

Ed Canoles  (Login nced1)
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Anyone have any pics and info concerning the "automotive style" piston rings in the FWB300 match rifle? I know that with an automotive piston you have multiple piston rings with gaps between the ends, an oil control ring, and you do get blow by around /through the ring joint gaps.

I'm wondering how FWB accomplishes the "miracle" of using steel piston rings without getting any blow-by, or do they indeed get blow-by but it's insignificant due to the low power output?

 
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(Login LARRYPIRRONE1)
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The 300 has one ring

February 6 2012, 12:00 PM 

much like a small two cycle engine. it is a split ring but when in the gun the gap is very small. That small gap has a hard time blowing by any air because it is compressed so fast. I had a 300.

These are low powered guns. not sure how a system like this would work in a gun like a tx or R9 like you have. I think it takes a very precisely honed tube for a steel ring to work and it just am y not be suited to high power.

 
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Jon B.
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Low power, maybe

February 6 2012, 12:19 PM 

but the tolerances of the ring to the comp tube are super tight, probably less than .005". Also,the system requires a bumper on the end of the piston, which doesn't seal but cushions the piston as it slams into the end of the tube. I'll look for pics when I get a chance.

 
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Precision Parts

February 6 2012, 12:36 PM 

The FWB300S is a model of German over-engineering. If that gun was made today it would probably cost at least $3K... so many precision parts expertly fitted by craftsmen of the day. The piston cylinder in the 300S is hardened and ground to precise tolerances IMO closer than a typical automobile engine as there isn't a wide temperature operating cycle. The piston ring gap is very small, maybe a couple thousandths and oil easily keeps a seal inside the super smooth cylinder chamber. The low velocity powerplant unlike other spring-piston power plants looses more oil due to evaporation than it burns.

Airguns are a gas

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Arnold Smith
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pics

February 6 2012, 12:42 PM 

Here are pics from when mine was apart for a rebuild. Shows the old one and the new one. Also shows the piston with the old one in place and a shot with the ring removed from the piston....


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Arnold
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Ed Canoles
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Thanks y'all for the excellent feedback! nt

February 6 2012, 1:09 PM 


 
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(Login FPoole)
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comp. tube

February 6 2012, 6:28 PM 

Does the end of the comp. tube come out of the 77? It would be pretty easy to get a perfect comp. tube bore if it does. I know the TX tube is super hard and any competent machinist can hone one to perfection. The piston ring would be another story, but if you could find one to fit your application, looks like you could file the end gap to perfection as well.

 
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Ed Canoles
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Nope....the HW77 compression tube is sealed instead of threaded like this.............

February 6 2012, 9:18 PM 

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comp. tube

February 6 2012, 6:28 PM 

Does the end of the comp. tube come out of the 77? It would be pretty easy to get a perfect comp. tube bore if it does. I know the TX tube is super hard and any competent machinist can hone one to perfection. The piston ring would be another story, but if you could find one to fit your application, looks like you could file the end gap to perfection as well.

 
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